Enjoy the Chargers and Raiders, stupid Californian fucks. You idiots don't need another fucking NFL team.
And if you DARE want to try to take another one of our teams, our guns will say something about it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/18/st-louis-approves-150-million-for-new-nfl-stadium/
Lol your guns don't mean shit
>>64513957
Yeah but $400 million in free money does
>As expected, the vote today at St. Louis City Hall resulted in passage of the plan that would pony up $150 million for a new stadium. That plan, however, is not good enough for the league because it calls on the NFL itself to spend $300 million on the stadium. The NFL says its policies call for spending no more than $200 million.
hurr durr
>>64513982
Which comes straight out of the city's pockets.
>>64513883
only old fags in retirement homes remember the LA rams. The LA OWL raiders are the team of the youth
>>64514367
Yes, so tell all the "LA Rams" fans to stay the fuck away from our team.
>>64514332
Yes, we are paying $400 million for the Rams to stay. This all about seals the deal for the Rams to stay in STL
>>64513883
nobody really cares which football team we get. It is a crime against advertising that the 2nd largest media market in the country does not have a team.
Congrats on giving a billionaire 400 million for a new toy rather than paying teachers to educate niggers about not rioting
Kroenke sure wants to leave, I drive by his monstrosity in Inglewood once a week
>>64513883
>Dec. 18 2015
Good luck having the St. Louis Cardinals as your only team next year bruv
>>64514536
Funny how he's building something without NFL approval.
He may want to leave STL but he can't take the Rams with him. There is no way he will get enough votes to leave STL
>>64515143
You realize if he doesn't get the votes, he'll pull out, let the rams fold and buy an LA team, right?
STL loses a team regardless.
>>64515216
How can he let the Rams fold? He'll probably sell them to a local STL businessman (we have a ton of billionaires in Missouri who'd want a team).
He can buy the Raiders and own them in LA instead. I think his end goal is to own the Raiders anyways
good for you guys
Fuck LA
t. Californian
>>64515275
Letting the rams fold puts a need for a new team in the west. Then Kroenke comes in talking about his pockets for an LA stadium.
>>64514367
99% of /sp/ wasn't even born when the la raiders won a super bowl
St. Louis Raiders
>>64515379
They've still won an SB in LA. The Raiders haven't won shit since being in Oakland
The rams won an SB in STL. The Rams never won shit in LA.
>yfw rams move anyway and st louis gets teh jags
>>64513883
>Giving $150 million to a billionaire
Looks like you're the ones who got cucked
>>64515889
No way that is happening. Not to mention that Jacksonville just paid for renovations for Alltel Stadium
Why would California need 4 NFL teams?
>>64513883
$150 million isn't much though. New stadiums are roughly a billion.
They're also including the naming rights in their share, which the NFL probably isn't happy about because they use the naming rights to recoup their money.
>>64513883
>being such a cuck to a corporation you give them your tax dollars over infrastructure or education improvements in your community
>>64516115
>throwing more money on niggers
Also, you fucking idiot, the stadium pays for itself from rental fees and tourism. Fuck off back to reddit
>>64516014
New stadiums don't happen very often so it's understandable that you would say something as retarded as this
>>64516101
That's $150-$200 million more than any other city has proposed so far
>>64516115
The NFL is more important. And its not like where the money is coming from would be going to infrastructure or education anyways
Look at San Diego: plenty of voters now wish they had a plan like we did
>teams keep leaving L.A
>let's force another one to move there
????
So someone tell me how or why someone would reject the STL deal?
The NFL is in no way, shape or form going to say no to this
>>64516215
>8 home matches a year and concerts that could already be held at the dome
>paying for itself
because those stadiums worked out GREAT for Brazil right?
>>64516226
that's an awful justification for lining the pockets of a billionaire
>we weren't going to spend that money was on infrastructure anyway
>>64516346
But its not YOUR taxpayer dollars so you shouldn't give a shit, not to mention that tourism dollars never are spent for infrastructure anyways
>>64516494
it's not my money but it's a joke that owners can now threaten to move teams if taxpayers don't feel like subsidizing stadiums every 25 years
>>64516704
IF you want your city to be relevant that's what you gotta do
I'm glad STL put their foot down and is doing what they can to keep our Rams in town
>>64513883
Did you even read what you linked? Literally the first sentence:
>The city of St. Louis has committed to spending $150 million to build a new NFL stadium — even though there’s no NFL team committed to playing in St. Louis.
>even though there’s no NFL team committed to playing in St. Louis.
Kroenke is leaving your boring flyover state and coming home and there's nothing you can do to stop home
>>64515275
>we have a ton of billionaires in Missouri who'd want a team
lol this landlockfag delusion
>>64516964
Except there's a financing plan backed by the governor to fund the stadium
http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article49755080.html
>>64516843
Indianapolis, Jacksonville, and Buffalo combined aren't as relevant as LA, and they haven't had a team for years
cmon man
>>64516988
Hey man the methlords out there make serious bank I'm sure
>>64513883
"Our Rams" You realize the rams were in California far longer than in St. Louis.. Lawl. "Our Rams"
>franchise-system league
>>64517125
Did the Rams win a SB in California? I'm pretty sure they didn't
I'm from Los Angeles and we do NOT want a football team nor do we care about football. Football is for simple minded people who can be entertained by redundancy while making a select few people filthy rich. I've met people from other states who can only talk about football (especially on Saturdays and Sundays) and, consequently, cannot converse with any depth. Football shrinks the brain and I like my brain just how it is, thank you very much.
>>64513883
>STL fags still think we care about the rams
you can keep them and stan
all we want is the raiders , if we don't get the raiders we lost plain and simple
>>64516022
because we have 30 million people
>>64517276
>Thinking the NFL wants to extort your prissy ass
Go over to the corner of the street and ask Pablo the manana vendor how much he wants Los Raidors to return to LA
>>64514525
>giving a billionaire 400 million for a new toy rather than paying teachers to educate niggers
Which is a bigger waste of money again?
Rams need to go back to LA. St. Louis is not a football town. They only care about boreswing and furpuck.
>>64516494
it is my money when MO wants more federal $$$ because they pissed it all away on a stadium that will be used 8 times a year
>>64516843
between the blose and the shit birds there are already SPORTS 140 nights a year in STL they do way more for the team than a fucking concussion ball team
>>64517284
Yeah I don't get why they haven't just given a Raiders a new stadium here in LA.
The Raiders have nothing to do with Oakland. They stole our team more than STL stole the Rams
>>64516964
NFL team leaves. STL gets an MLS and National Lacross team as well as an AFL team
>>64517381
trolling or not I would not go that far
the raiders were oakland's team fair and spare ,nobody in LA believes that rhetoric but a majority do believe they fit in with the culture so much so that we've adopted them as the de facto NFL LA team.
>>64517415
>National Lacrosse
>mfw professional trustfundstick actually exists
>>64517445
fair and square
jesus christ
another note
If we do get a team I can guarantee you the owners of an LA team will fight back at the jews at NBC. Al Davis was forced to sign a contract which required the coliseum to be filled at 80% in order to prevent a black out. Although the NFL does not do blackouts anymore LA is a unique case as with other cities where the local team will not have a broadcast without some sort of agreement.
I don't believe it can happen again with NBC , CBS and now Fox starting to get television deals but does not mean it can't happen.
>>64517467
I was visiting my uncle in Denver he had season tickets and invited me. It was pretty fun and way fucking cheaper than seeing a nuggies or buncos game,
>mfw da mamoths win the stick owl
>>64517445
This is why the Raiders, not Rams and definitely not Chargers, belong in LA
>>64517696
cheeky modoc county
>>64517696
wait how is alameda not black?
SF is not in alameda
>>64516988
ikr, you beat me to the fuckin kek when I saw that.
>>64517229
So how is it the city's fault they didn't win a Super Owl, and why the fuck do people keep saying "we" like it's their team, it's the owners team, he gets all the money, and ol' Roger gets a sweet piece of that action while your state gets cucked, and cities like Ferguson continue to fester
Toronto 2017 pls
>>64516995
Just because you have a stadium doesn't mean you have a team, boyo. Check out Quebec City's Videotron Centre.
>>64514439
>This all about seals the deal for the Rams to stay in STL
>>64517415
>soccer and lacrosse is on the same par as football guys!
Damage control activated
>>64516226
>Look at San Diego: plenty of voters now wish they had a plan like we did
>Losing Chargers a win for San Diego
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/dec/23/chargers-nfl-football/
>>64515275
The league can do what the nba did with the pelicans and buy the rams. Then they can hold the team until they find the right owner to sell to.
>>64518397
meant to quote this >>64515373
>NFC West
>rams are barely in the middle of the US
>>64516494
>not to mention that tourism dollars never are spent for infrastructure anyways
There is actually a citizens initiative in San Diego at the moment collecting signatures with tons of political weight behind it that increases the tourism tax, and prohibits it from being used on anything but infrastructure. There is some fine print about it being able to be used to reimburse hoteliers who initially pay for a convention center expansion, but only after its successful completion. The only public figure against it at the moment is the Mayor and that is speculated to be because the initiative also prohibits the use of the area where Qualcomm is currently located as anything other than the Mayor's plan for a new stadium, or expansion space for a local university and public park space. This is a problem for the mayor, because more of his financial backers are real estate developers who'd love getting to build shit there who'd be unable to do so.
InB4 Commiefornia
Be sure to let us know how Goodell's dick feels up the ass.
>these dirty QB injuring fucks will continue to play in the NFCW
Damn. Thought they would be Raiders' problem from now on.
>muh Trump, muh small gubment!!!
>clapclapclap the council gave $150m to a rich guy to keep muh Franchise™ in town!
>>64518397
Yeah the league will force Kroenke to sell the Rams if he doesn't like being in STL so he can buy either the Chargers or Raiders.
We have a plan
>>64518255
Tell me how the NFL is going to say no to STL now.
>>64513883
>mfw L.A. doesn't get shit
>>64519105
don't you have a sharia law zone to tolerate Nigel?
>>64519245
I can think of 200 million reasons why the NFL might say no
literally who cares
if your state isn't on a coast it doesn't matter and is a literal who that tries to call rivers and lakes "beaches"
>>64513883
Reminder that Cleveland approved the money for a new stadium as well. We all saw what happened after that.
>"Modell says, 'It's too little, too late'"
>>64519105
You retarded bongs do know that it past through a vote right. The citizens of st louis agreed to this. Compare this to your cuck country
>>64519329
>rhode island is relevant
>>64519294
Compared to all that glorious money that OAK and SD has spent for their teams new stadiums
OAK especially because their whole city's identity is basically the Raiders, and not some shitty ghetto irrelevant San Francisco suburb
Mfw when London gets a team before LA
Stan couldn't care less about St Louis's money. This is what's going to happen.
>Owners meeting
>Carson supporters and Inglewood supporters are split
>neither site gets approval
>since the Inglewood stadium is actually a plan and ready to go, Stan says fuck it, moves the Rams anyway, and gets to building
>NFL probably gets pissy, but shuts up when Kroenke threatens to sue
>fast forward a few years
>stadium's built
>Carson stadium "plan" is a distant memory
>Raiders and Chargers still playing in their respective run-down stadiums
>Raiders selling out week after week, Chargers barely selling tickets to road team fans
>NFL forces Stan to take in a second LA team because of money
>He picks the Chargers for various reasons ranging from wanting little competition in the market to not being an idiot
>Dean Spanos happily accepts because Los Angeles is literally all he cares about
>Raiders eventually get something figured out with Oakland and play in the 49ers' stadium for a few years while their new one gets built on the Coliseum site
>A's move to one of the other Oakland sites suggested to them by the city
>>64519329
>delawhere
>relevent
>>64515823
What about NFL record 7 straight division titles?
>>64518605
It could be worse. The NFC West used to be San Francisco, St. Louis, Atlanta, Carolina, and New Orleans (and Arizona was in the East)
>>64519431
Is that the same as winning the SB? All I remember was that in 1983, LA won a SB and it wasn't because of the Rams
>>64519379
>OAK
Oak is actually in the most fucked situation compared to the other two
For one
The A's have been blocking any effort in getting the raiders a new stadium and vice versa but to be fair the A's were first to strike.
The city of oakland despite the economical boom that has been around they are still poor. They can't build a stadium at all and if they were to vote on one they would most certainly require a large amount of taxpayer's money.
what makes the LA deal so great is for one they don't have to pay for it and two LA has well enough money to buy 4 teams.
Here is the problem though
ever since the rams first left , LA has been extremely careful in accepting teams which is why they gave al davis a lot of shit when he tried to keep the raiders in LA , the biggest was sharing a stadium which was the final straw for him and the second was NFL and Al spending most of the money in building a stadium rather than spending a dime or two.
>>64519495
Exactly.
The Raiders need to come to LA to survive as a franchise. They were unfairly booted out of LA because of the NFL's greed in wanting two teams in HIS stadium
Compare that to STL who's willing to spend hundreds and millions of dollars to keep the Rams
That's what makes this so wacky. move the Raiders already. NFL fans all want it
Missouri is richer than Oakland as well and can keep the team
>>64519396
the NFL would be more viable with SD still being an NFL city than OAK being an NFL city, given that the Oakland area already has another NFL team while SD has nothing.
>>64519245
>Tell me how the NFL is going to say no to STL now.
400 is only 50 more than the San Diego has been offering for months, and Stan Kroenke is more wealthy than Spanos and Davis, more willing to spend his wealth, and has standing to sue the everloving shit out of the League for collusion with Spanos and Davis because of Bob Iger, the factor that legitimized the Carson plan out of the joke it was, and his admission that he was sought out by Jerry Richardson, a member of the relocation committee who is supposed to remain impartial, and his description that Richardson was the one who connected him with Spanos and Davis. On top of that, Carson is a complete shithole compared to Inglewood, and between the two locations, the former location of Hollywood Park is most likely much more picturesque for those primetime aerial shots than the shithole that is Carson, and would by extension reflect more favorably upon the NFL. The same thing could be said about San Diego over St. Louis, which is why the NFL would more likely prefer to put on a show to get Kroenke to dump relocation money into Spanos's lap so he can afford to build a new stadium in downtown SD right next to the water.
>>64519657
Ok, but OAK has presented NO FUCKING PLAN and should honestly be moved. Every NFL fan already associates the Raiders with LA, not the Rams nor the Chargers.
I don't get how the NFL keeps fucking this up by putting two subpar franchises in a city that already has a set rooting interest
>>64519773
>Many of the NFL's most influential owners, including some on the league's Los Angeles Relocation committee, continue to have reservations about the Raiders' inclusion in the joint project with the Chargers in Carson, Calif. Their concerns over the strength of the Raiders' ownership group could result in no teams getting approval to move to LA in 2016, ownership sources said. Furthermore, multiple ownership sources said that the odds of a move happening to LA next year would be significantly higher if the Chargers were either moving by themselves, or if they were paired with the Rams.
>Other owners have doubts about whether or not Raiders owner Mark Davis has the acumen to build a strong franchise in a two-team LA market, sources said. And, given that organization's repeated moves under former owner Al Davis and the controversy that ensued -- including suing the league -- there remains a backlash to the Raiders going back to LA.
>Finding a way to get Spanos and Rams owner Stan Kroenke together is viewed as the best-case scenario for a two-team LA market, and although consideration hurdles exist, it may not be impossible if a vote is pushed back to 2017.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25411358/the-raiders-involvement-in-carson-bid-could-mean-no-la-teams-in-2016
NFL doesn't want the Raiders back in LA. If they split up the relocation money, Mark Davis gets a pocket full of cash, and what if he starts talking with Lewis Wolff? Whose to say the Raiders and A's don't financially team up to renovate the Coliseum to retain the humble "charm" of two professional teams sharing a stadium in Oakland?
>>64519105
i know right. these americans are some dumb fucks
>>64519993
Ok, but that's only one story.
McNair and Richardson (two OWNERS) have announced that the Chargers and Raiders are favorites to move, especially since STL is actually forking money over.
There's no need for the Bay Area to have 2 teams nor California for 3 teams when 2 of the stadiums are complete shit
>>64519993
And Angelinos won't pay to have the Chargers in that city if the Raiders aren't on the paper. Spanos Already said he won't play second fiddle to Kroenke as well, Its looking more like no teams might move to LA.
So happy that the Seahawks will never move from Seattle because of how valuable our market is.
>>64520118
>McNair
You mean the guy who said that half of the city council of SD is in jail and that Fabiani and Spanos need to go to jail to negotiate with them? Clearly he's playing with a full deck of cards. That isn't true, but it's believable that at least one associate of an organization would want him to believe it is to make their team more sympathetic and deserving of LA. As for Richardson, I don't know what his deal is. Maybe Fabiani and/or Spanos fed him bullshit as well, but he's been vocal for longer than McNair for reasons that haven't been explained yet.
As for California, please consider population, and geographic area covered, compared to many areas on the East Cost or Great Lakes region, and please try to tell me that you base this opinion on anything more than the number of franchises per single state.
>>64520123
Oh, I know all of that. I also know that Spanos and Davis both "renewed their vows" to one another as a response to Kroenke's letter that he was willing to take in a tenant, by both sending letters to the league declaring their remained loyalty to their joint effort in Carson. It doesn't change the fact the there is apprehension about giving the Raiders LA.
>>64519396
Exactly this if the the Chargers don't move in with Kroenke immediately
like holy fuck /sp/, can this be any more obvious? This thread was probably started by that deluded LA Raider spammer.
btw for any Raider fan worrying about their team moving, don't
http://withthefirstpick.com/2015/12/28/oakland-raiders-arent-moving-los-angeles/
>>64521026
So nothing official, just another opinion piece?
>>64521086
There won't be anything official until the 13th at the soonest.
>>64521086
backed up with a lot of facts, yeah.
>>64517229
We won an NFL championship before the Super Owl's even started, learn your history
Oh and uh, NFL doesn't like this... its not gonna happen, stan can just pull a georgina and there's nothing you can do about it, sweet justice...hope it happens that way.
Oh and OP, we also have guns
>>64521213
Ok but the NFL will punish StanK if he leaves STL without their approval while the relocation committee has thrown their weight behind Spanos and Davis
>>64521213
>Ok but the NFL will punish StanK
Not a lot they can do about it if the Rams are already in Los Angeles.
>>64513883
MFW the Raiders get shipped out to St Louis after the Rams come home.
>>64517764
East BayFag here
I hate the Raiders because my dad never forgave them for leaving and because they ruined the A's stadium.
>>64515275
Mark Davis will never give up Raiders ownership. Every other owner has their own trade/business to fall back on, not so with the Davis family.
>>64522168
Thank you
Most Bay Area NFL fans are 49er fans and want the Raiders to come home. They always felt like the red-headed step child of the Gay Area
We don't want faggots in our fanbase so moving away from faggot capital USA would help
>>64521026
lol look at those comments on the article. They're more articulate than the stupid article itself.
>>64522142
>mfw ferguson black culture meets raider culture
LA only cares about NFL because the Lakers has been shit for a while anyway.
>>64521026
Why are you shilling your article here?
Poorly written without any facts. You get an F
>>64519484
Yeah, and Oakland won twice in 1980 and 1976. Just because LA's is more recent that doesn't actually mean anything. The Raiders have had more success in Oakland than LA.
>>64517346
Stay out of this Canada, you know nothing of niggers. All the ones who went their after slavery have been assimilated.
>>64524626
>more success in Oakland
>miss playoffs for 13 seasons
LMAO!
No team in LA history has ever missed the playoffs 13 years in a row. None. The market won't allow that to happen!
>>64524715
Yeah, which is why LA is so great at supporting their NFL teams. The Rams and the Raiders left because they liked it there too much.
>>64524905
Rams had a bitch owner who gutted the team and made sure nothing happened in LA
Raiders were forced out of LA because the NFL wanted Al to take another team in when the Raiders were the most popular LA team
>>64514536
>>64515143
>>64515216
I've heard speculation of him swapping with Spanos/the Chargers. It's not unheard of and it'd make everyone happy.
Except San Diego I guess.
>>64525481
It'd work if he wanted to move to STL
Even if Spanos agreed it would be "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" for STL fans
>>64525525
It's still a team though. And it's not like he'd be able to threaten to move the team. Hopefully, if the city of St. Louis signs a new deal it's not as bad as the last one which demanded a top stadium 20 years down the line - right before every other team in the NFL built a new stadium.
When did Spanos take over the Chargers? The Chargers have been far more relevant than the Rams.
does anyone in st louis actually watch the rams. i go to the city every few years because family friends. its very clearly a baseball town. no one ever talks football there. even the blues draw more attention than the rams
Sincerely cannot wait to have the NFL out of SD. Fun times, great memories but this whole process makes you realize how silly fandom and sports tradition is. It's a business, and I'm glad SD isn't being given the chance to subsidize children of rich cunts.
>>64525657
Someone posted an attendence chart a while back and when the Rams were ranked 6th on attendence one year in the three-year-dynasty. Since then, we've had the worst 5 year stretch in NFL history, haven't had a winning season since 2003, and have been dealing with relocation rumors since Georgia died. Maybe shortly before. Every part of this is shit. Rams are clearly the third team both in quality and fanbase. I don't think the NFL tolerates that very much. Other leagues are happy to just exist in cities, the NFL has to dominate and St. Louis is unfortunately probably the only city in which that's not the case.
>>64525657
More than the Oakland than the Raiders
>>64525917
Bullshit, Oakland fucking loves the Raiders.
>>64514525
>implying the team you get won't bail like the last 3 teams
Face it LA is a garbage football market.
>>64513883
LOL ENJOY WATCHING YOUR TAX DOLLARS SUPPORT A BUNCH OF NIGGERS IN TIGHTS.
>>64524329
Most sensible Brazil post I've seen in a while.
OFFICIAL TEAM(S) POSSIBLY MOVING TO LA POWER RANKINGS
1. Rams
2. None
3. Rams + Chargers
POWER GAP
1982. Rams + Raiders
POWER GAP
9001. Raiders + Chargers
IMMENSE POWER GAP THAT SEPARATES REALISTIC POSSIBILITIES FROM NONSENSE
9000000001a. Chargers
9000000001b. Raiders
99999999999. All three
>>64525940
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2015/01/09/Media/NFL-local.aspx
That's why the Raiders are the lowest rated team in any market of the US
Missouri is irrelevant as fuck and doesn't even deserve one franchise, why don't you guys just move the Chiefs halfway between STL and KC?
>>64513883
nobody's going to move anybody's team to LA. the league won't allow it.
if they did, how would they intimidate cities into building multimillion dollar stadiums under the threat that if they don't, their team will get moved to LA?
>>64525940
Oakland is poor though
>>64526183
>>64526183
London
Toronto
San Antonio
There are still many cities the NFL can use to intimidate cities. But I think only London would have the same indimidation factor LA would
>>64526183
And plus, one city (San Diego) actually told the NFL to fuck off
NFL will make an example of them
>>64526178
California is in the red
They don't need 4 NFL teams
>>64517696
>jests
>in charge of even a single county
why not move those faggots out to la?
>this and beating the seacucks might as well be the rasms super bowl
>>64528633
OKC pls go
>>64528214
Because LA is Raider country
You think LA is full of fucking bandwagoners that switch brands just because a team might start winning here? No, the raiders are the Lakers of the NFL to us
>implying the NFL was ever going to move them there
just bait to force them to build the stadium, have you retards not already learned this from the past decades?
>>64524715
MFW the Lakers have a 13 season playoff drought
http://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-says-it-won-t-meet-NFL-deadline-on-6724842.php?cmpid=twitter-desktop
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Rams staying in STL!
>>64529169
Rams going to LA anyway.
Raiders going to STL.
>>64529199
You think the NFL is going to reject PUBLIC MONEY for StanK's bullshit?
>>64529363
It won't, hence the Raiders coming to town. There is precedence for moving a team without the NFL's approval.
>>64529169
>>64529363
>>64529390
literal retards
Even if by some miracle the Rams don't move to LA, they will for sure gtfo of St Louis some how.
>>64525657
More thank you think. Compared to the Cardinals there aren't as many fans(because Cardinals fans are bandwagoning faggots) but the fanbase is comparable to the Blues. Lots of diehards but they can't grab a hold of the casual fan. For the Rams it's because they haven't even had a .500 season since 2006, and for the Blues it's because they choke in the playoffs quite literally every year. There was a time a few years back that the Blues were giving away seats to home games because they were coming off 2 losing seasons in a row.
>>64529586
By 2020:
Los Angeles Chargers (NFC West)
Los Angeles Raiders (AFC West)
San Diego Rams (AFC West)
St. Louis Jaguars
>>64526152
There's your proof that "Us 12s" are a giant bandwagon
>>64526118
Lol what? Why do you keep posting this
OAK has the worst stadium situation and fan attendance. They're favorites to move
>>64529363
When public money still needs the League to pitch in money, and the alternative is Kroenke being willing to foot the entire bill out of pocket? Absolutely. Spanos and Davis may have Goldman Sachs financing Carson, but I can assure you those poor fucks don't want to be paying GS a second longer than they need to. That means they're going to be going cheap, and if the NFL is going to have any shot staying in LA it's new representation in the second largest media market in the US is going to need to be AT LEAST as much of a goddamn spectacle off the field and on it as Jerry World is. Spanos and Davis are too damn poor and therefore cheap to be able to do this. On top of that, look at the disrepair both have allowed their current homes to fall into. If there is any intelligence in NFL ownership, they will realize that long term, they need to go with the multibillionaire who is willing to dump as much of his own wealth as in necessary to guarantee the NFL the iconography and buzz that will keep whichever team plays out of the new LA stadium on the tip of the tongues of Los Angelinos today and many years moving forward. It's already been demonstrated (>>64519993) that the ownership is skeptical of Davis's business acumen, and all one needs to do is look at the poor production out of the Chargers as well as how exposed AG Spanos Companies was during the Great Recession to see that Dean is no business phenom as well. They aren't at the bottom of the Team Owner Wealth Power Rankings because they are good at business. So what fucking sense does it make to hand the keys to the kingdom to them, especially when conquering the LA market is going to be more difficult than it was in the mid to small markets they currently call home, and before giving Mark credit for Raider Nation loyalty, it must be acknowledged that that loyalty remains because of a culture that was nurtured and grown by Al. These clowns are the Tweedledee and dum of ownership. LA should go to Kronke.
>>64522811
We only really care about the Rams going back to LA TBQH. The Raiders can do whatever.
>mfw they'll build another stadium without securing a team
>again
>>64533218
When did this happen?
>>64526178
We also have two MLB teams and an NHL team. Everything but divegrass and apehoop, which are garbage sports anyway. That lack of hydration must make west coast queers like you delirious
>>64513883
>muh guns
dicklet detected
>>64519993
>Other owners have doubts about whether or not Raiders owner Mark Davis has the acumen to build a strong franchise in a two-team LA market
As a ninerfan , this to me at the very least is a dumb argument against mark.
Mark literally saved the franchise since his take over in 2011. Raiders were dog shit both on and off the field , he hired allen who was a dog shit coach but he immediately fired him into the second year , he hired reggie who was seen as one of the better GM potential and reggie knowing full well what he was inheriting accepted the job. So far reggie has shown promise and del rio has as well.
Then financially mark has improved the once billion dollar franchise with more local support from fans but they're probably the most loyal fanbase ever so that is expected , more merch sold mostly due to the home grown talent blowing expectations out the water and lastly just overall the team is being spoken out through people's mouths again.
I think mark has shown as a capable owner just like his father was when his father first took over the dog shit raiders from some local businessman.
NFL is just afraid of the raiders getting all the LA money or any at all. If raiders moved to LA they would most definitely be the favorite from old time fans and new age fans at least in my opinion.
>>64533316
Exactly. If the Raiders moved to LA, they would effectively make a two team market a one team one.
Which is why from a business POV, the NFL should move the Raiders back to LA. I have seen no other jerseys in LA besides Raiders ones and there are a shitload of corporate sponsors waiting to sponsor the LA Raiders, such as Disney (see Bob Iger)
>>64533393
bob said he would fully support the raiders(and chargers) mostly to buy a small share in the raiders but he would also leave disney in the process .
Still having the man that has built disneylands and worlds all over the world backing you up should be seen as the game ender.
Stan does apartment complexes whereas iger has deep pockets and deep connections
>>64533205
But STL is the ONLY ONE OFFERING MONEY more than SD and way way more than OAK
KROENKE BTFO!
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14458658/st-louis-formally-submits-stadium-proposal
>>64533970
San Diego city and county have agreed to offer $350 million. It'd need to be ratified by a public vote, but are you really going to say that both entities publicly offering that amount is nothing? The only reason it hasn't gone anywher beyond that is because the Chargers have refused to negotiate, and were playing games the first half of the year instead of being honest and forthright with what they actually wanted.
>>64536844
You underestimate kroenke
When madam ram wanted to leave LA she went to the only person she knew would get the job done.
Stan not only left LA but promised Anaheim a team
Anaheim accepted stan's deal and within a few years stan took the team to STL.
Never underestimate that man he will fuck you over and fast
>>64537039
Yeah but there's no way the NFL will reject this proposal. It's rock solid, compared to SD or OAK (LOL) offers
>>64537084
he could always switch ownership with the jags or spanos
>>64537126
He wants the Broncos. He owned the Nuggets and Rockies until transferring ownership rights of them to his wife in order to avoid any ticky tacky complaints.
>>64537084
>The plan calls for $400 million in public money via city and state funds as well as tax credits, $250 million from NFL team ownership and $300 million from the NFL G4 loan program.
They really think they're getting $550 Million out of the NFL?
>rock solid
>>64537280
by law NFL must hand over at least 300mil last I checked if they want to enter a market
>>64537374
Well that's funny. Because the article says:
>Among potential sticking points, the $300 million from the G4 program would be unprecedented for a one-team stadium. The G4 traditionally offers up to $200 million, though the New York Jets and New York Giants received additional funds for MetLife Stadium. Goodell sent a letter to the task force a couple of weeks ago making it clear that there's no guarantee that an extra $100 million would be available.
and doesn't mention anything about this law.
>>64537444
https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/nfl-funding-summary-12-2-11.pdf
its somewhere here
last I remember the NFL can only give up to 300 million or something
>>64537444
>>64537280
What you're missing is that this is $150 more than SD or OAK has given out and that's what NFL fans and owners see
>>64516022
There's a six-hour drive between San Francisco and L.A. and there are more people in L.A. than your entire shitty state
>>64513883
>even though there’s no NFL team committed to playing in St. Louis.
>even though there’s no NFL team committed to playing in St. Louis.
>even though there’s no NFL team committed to playing in St. Louis.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>64537778
Ok, so why does the San Francisco area need 2 teams
>>64537659
Why are you giving me a Powerpoint of data? I didn't see anything about a legal limit or requirement on the part of the NFL. Are you >>64537374? Because "must hand over at least 300mil" and "can only give up to 300 million" are contradictory demands.
>>64537733
>The plan calls for $400 million in public money via city and state funds as well as tax credits
vs
>The city and county of San Diego would pay $350 million combined under a financing proposal unveiled Monday for a new football stadium in Mission Valley, or about one-third of the total construction cost.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2015/aug/10/san-diegos-stadium-negotiators-scheduled-meet-nfl-/
>this is $150 more than SD or OAK has given out
Kek. Sorry the Republican Mayor wants the offering ratified by a vote of taxpayers. Also, what I will tell you is that this Mayor was as certain that his proposal was as actionable and rock solid as the writer of the article and yourself seem to think this is. Eric Grubman laughed San Diego's off as an outline, as I'm sure he and the owners will also do with this.
>>64537778
Missouri has more people than the Bay Area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco%E2%80%93Oakland%E2%80%93Hayward,_CA_Metropolitan_Statistical_Area
Bay Area: 4.5 million people
Missouri: 6 million people
I don't even care if LA doesn't get a team. It's all fake. Professional sports is an opiate for the masses. They are something for average joe's to think about rather than laying claim to more power or income in this world.
Just hand over your money and stop asking questions. And by all means, really, truly concern yourselves over which temporarily grouped people, none of which you have ever met and who don't come from the place they "represent", perform in a series of non-sensical physical activities against another group of people you have not met and don't not come from the place they "represent". While you are at it, hand over billions in pubic subsidies to the billionaires who control these various branded groups.
>>64537891
I wonder why they don't go to games then. If you're looking for St. Louis, don't bother. They're in the basement.
>Total - 419,220
>Average - 52,402
>Percent - 80.2%
>>64520239
OK Ceahawks
has a nice ring to it
>>64537891
missouri also has two major cities
bay area is just one major city and two minor cities alongside it
>>64537891
>Missouri has more people than the Bay Area
Wow, a state has more people than a metro region.
Who would have thought.
Well, I'm fairly sure Northern California has more people than Missouri so get fucked.
That's not even a whole state and it has more people than your meaningless ass.
>>64537891
Huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_of_the_United_States
The Bay Area has 8.4 million people compared to Missouri's 6 million people
Northern California as a whole has 15 million people
>>64538209
>San Jose
>Stockton
>Fairfield
>part of the Bay Area
k.
>>64538297
Do you really believe San Jose isn't part of the bay area?
>>64538339
Not according to this definition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco%E2%80%93Oakland%E2%80%93Hayward,_CA_Metropolitan_Statistical_Area
>>64538401
You're retarded, aren't you?
From your own source:
>San Francisco Metropolitan Area officially known as the "San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area" is a Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) within the San Francisco Bay Area
>within the San Francisco Bay Area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay_Area
It's right there in your own source.
>>64537802
I know, this is why the Raiders should go back to LA.
The Bay Area has 2 teams while LA has fucking ZERO and LA is trying to take a team from places that only have one NFL team (STL and SD)
>>64538738
>LA is trying to take a team from places that only have one NFL team (STL and SD)
LA isn't trying to take anyone's team.
They're not doing anything they haven't been doing for the past 20 years.
Those owners are desperately trying to flee their markets.
Kroenke most of all but Spanos primarily because Kroenke is trying to go to LA.
Mark Davis would like to stay in Oakland but the Raiders need a stadium that isn't a piece of shit and he can't afford it and Oakland can't afford it.
>>64538467
They aren't part of the bay area culturally so they should be excluded.
>>64538820
Oakland is closer to LA culture than SF
this is a stupid argument
>>64513883
"This just in, 10 St. Louis residents with handguns conquered mightily by police and common sense"
>>64538959
Common sense is actually paying for something that can benefit your city
Not my fault Cali is broke
>>64539501
>Cali is broke
Oakland is broke
california can buy the nfl and back
>>64539839
So send Raiders to LA
Solved. Leave STL and SD alone
>>64539923
>Leave STL and SD alone
Nobody is trying to bother them, the owners just don't want to be there.
The NFL isn't trying to move the teams, LA isn't trying to take the teams.
Kroenke wants to be in LA and refuses to do business with St. Louis.
Spanos is trying desperately to burn his bridges in San Diego.
Blame those two owners, not the rest of us.
>>64513982
>free
You probably support Bernie as well.. What a shitty little cunt-rag you are.
>giving billionaires hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money to build a stadium
The league should pony up the cash for stadiums itself if it insists on having up-do-date stadiums if you don't want to risk having a team move away.
I wish cable bundling would hurry up and die so I can laugh when all of these sports teams lose three quarters of their value overnight
Congrats St. Louis, fuck LA
>>64541529
Better than losing the Rams to California
Don't you meme spewing fucks know that threatening to movie to LA is the meme that owners use to extort new stadiums out of their current city?
The only thing LA deserves is the movie earthquake to be real
>>64541991
Except Kroenke isn't trying to get a new stadium in St. Louis.
If that's what he wanted, he has it but he's still not doing business with St. Louis.
As for Spanos, he believes Southern California belongs to him even though LA doesn't care about the Chargers so to protect what he sees as his interests, he has to move his team to LA.
Mark Davis has been pretty open that he can't afford anything so he's just along for the ride.
So yeah, LA as a boogeyman doesn't really work this time since one team(The Rams) is really set on moving there.
>>64542222
Except the NFL will never approve Kroenke coming here because his financials for the stadium in LA aren't even sound, not as much as Carson
>>64543343
The NFL can't stop him from doing anything though, hasn't that been made clear enough yet? he has the money to do it, I mean they've already started building it a few days ago
Why does it feel like the Chargers and Rams are moving despite Oakland doing the least to keep their team?
>>64548078
$$$
rams and chargers are two of the lower prestige franchises and could really benefit from a market change
the raiders are pretty central to the NFL no matter what city they're in
>>64548078
Because Dean Spanos and Stan Kroenke are the power players in this whole thing.
And both want LA for themselves.
Mark Davis is just along for the ride, hoping to get a stadium.
>>64548126
So why not just move the Raiders to grow the NFL brand in LA and worldwide? I don't think Oakland is a diverse worldwide city like LA is, no?
>>64548136
>So why not just move the Raiders to grow the NFL brand in LA and worldwide?
Because Mark Davis can't afford to build a new stadium in LA and the NFL won't move a team to the LA market without a new stadium being built there.
LA isn't going to spend taxpayer money to build a stadium for the Raiders and the NFL isn't going to fund a stadium for the Raiders.
It all comes back to money and Mark Davis can't afford to build his own stadium and no city will build one for the Raiders, apparently.
>>64548126
>>64548131
I was just at a bar in Burbank right now and everyone sounded excited about the Raiders returning
I was trying to tell them that it looks like the Chargers and Rams are coming and they were insanely hostile to that idea.
>>64548155
But literally zero people in LA are Rams or Chargers fans
I don't see Raiders fans in LA switching teams. That makes no sense. They are assuming that just because a team is there, people in LA would cheer for them.
That's not how real life works
>>64548160
>a bunch of barflies are Raiders fans
Well, I'm convinced.
>>64548194
>That's not how real life works
All I said was that stadiums cost money and Mark Davis has none.
That seems like how real life works to me.
Are you going to fucking pay for his stadium?
>>64548212
The NFL could just build the Raiders one
Not to mention Bob Iger could get Disney connections that could potentially increase the value of the Raiders to $4-$5 billion
Why doesn't the NFL just use the LA Colleseum for the team?
>>64541991
This is different than before
These owners are seriously moving to LA
The sad part is out of the three , only the raiders make the most sense because
1. Al never fucked LA over like Stan
2.They(the raiders) were adopted culturally by the city within the first 5 years , the SB only boosted their popularity here
3.LA for the first time had a team that they could call their own , Rams were in the process of self destruct to move to Anahiem after their loss in the SB
Now you got the chargers and rams that want that sweet SoCal money but the problem is both are seen as a step child if either bunks with the raiders , so you have Stan offering spanos a spot and the NFL wanting chargers and rams to move together .
The thing is LA would "like" a team but not one from Stan or Spanos
Both their reputation speaks volumes
>>64548194
>But literally zero people in LA are Rams or Chargers fans
This just isn't true there is a large fanbase of Charger fans because they are the only team in southern California, and I've met quite a few Rams fans from back when they played in LA. Truth be told, I don't think any LA Football team will draw huge numbers because people here don't really seem to give a fuck about football.
>>64548229
>The NFL could just build the Raiders one
They could do that in Oakland too. They could do it in San Diego. They could give everyone new stadiums.
That doesn't mean they're going to or that it would be good business or that they would like the precedent it would set.
Again, are you going to fucking pay for the Raiders stadium in LA?
>>64543343
As one anon already pointed out kroenke does not give a single shit about what the NFL says what he can and can not do with his team
He is dead set on pulling a al davis if he wants to and judging from the al davis lawsuit where he had proof the league wasn't going to back his move , this looks no different specially when the owners made it clear that this relocation is split between 15 votes each
>>64548243
>The thing is LA would "like" a team but not one from Stan or Spanos
>implying that the population of LA knows or even gives a fuck about the owners.
>>64513883
>get cucked by a billionaire into building a brand new stadium even though the current one is less than 30 years old
>he's happy about it
why are hicks retarded?
>>64548242
The NFL said it wasn't up to NFL standards 20 years ago.
They'll use it as a temporary home while a stadium gets built but they aren't going to permanently stick one of their teams there.
>>64548262
Most Raider fans would gladly give 10% of their pay for a new Raiders stadium.
They are part of our family. Most Raider fans here are lawyers, doctors, accountants, engineers, etc
>>64548299
I have a feeling you're lying.
But if you're not, retards don't deserve to be catered to.
>>64548299
>They are part of our family. Most Raider fans here are lawyers, doctors, accountants, engineers, etc
Get the fuck out of here. What a fucking retarded thing to say.
>>64548295
Then rennovate it. It would surely be cheaper than a new stadium. Shit, the bears play in a nearly 100 year old stadium and it does just fine.
>>64548299
The only raiders fan I've seen without a neck tattoo is my roommate.
>>64548279
any sport fan in LA will tell you how much they hated frank mcCourt
Seriously fuck that guy
>>64548299
How many LA Raider fans would buy PSL's?
Those would go for $60,000 each
>>64548322
I think he meant that LA doesn't know or care about the NFL owners.
>>64548299
Lel don't be stupid
I'll buy a jersey or two at most if it meant most of the proceeds goes to a stadium
im not going to drop 20k for some billionaires
>>64513883
>we
>>64548338
I don't think Mark Davis is a billionaire.
>>64548326
>paying for the rights to buy a specific seat on top of season tickets
americans are so fucking cucked for their oligarchic overlords
>>64548322
I'm an LA sports fan and I don't give a fuck about frank mccourt. Either way, the dislike of mccourt is irrelevant being that frank mccourt is neither dean spanos nor stan kroenke
Has anyone noticed that except for the NHL, every SoCal team has a competing NorCal equivalent?
>>64548335
Stan has a bad reputation in LA in that case
>lackey for the original ram owners
>owner mysteriously dies
>wifey of former owners , that lives in LA , decides to take advantage of her hometown , STL that has been vacant since cardinals left
>turns to the only man experienced in projects like this
>Stan tells LA to fuck off. Takes the team to Anahiem
>after a year or two he tells Anahiem to fuck off
>takes the team to STL
>owner dies which lets Stan become the de facto owner of the Rams
>is now literally pulling the same shit he did in LA to STL
I'm sure old ram fans feel sorry for the new generation.
Spanos isn't known by many in LA but a quick search on his background can tell you everything you need to know about the guy
>>64548378
>kongs-shorks
los patos are an OC team and not SOCAL
>>64548390
>being this much of a fucking retard.d
>>64548390
Ehh most people consider Ducks-Kings a bigger rivalry than Kings-Sharks
Look how many fucks Oakland gives about keeping the Raiders.
Why is it so hard to move them to LA? If Davids can't afford a stadium by himself and the tax payers don't want to put money on a football team I bet there are many other options, I bet there are a ton of investors willing to put money on the Raiders in a city as huge as LA with a ton fans in it.
If the NFL really wants to keep another team in the Bay Area besides the 49ers then THEY should give the Raiders a new stadium if no one else can.
This is ridiculous.
>>64548405
that is because the ducks are a legit team that won a cup. The shorks are eternal chokers
>>64548411
still not the point my friend.
>>64548421
>>64548363
He may not be stan or spanos but you nearly destroy a historic baseball team you will be put up on a list of horrible owners*
I get what you're saying but stan does have a reputation within the sport community in la especially by older fans including both my grandfather and father
>>64548406
The NFL doesn't want to get into the business of handing out stadiums.
It's not a good business.
>>64548439
I know, but if they're the ones blocking the way between the Raiders and a shiny new LA stadium then they should provide a viable option in Oakland.
>>64548406
>THEY should give the Raiders a new stadium if no one else can.
should is the operative word here. Maybe they should but they definitely wont because they don't have to. Because teams are basically extorting cities' love for football in order to build stadia and make more money while not having to foot the bill for anything.
>>64533187
It's not sorted by probability. It's sorted by what all power rankings are sorted by: how based it would be if it happened.
>>64548453
The problem is that the NFL is comprised of the owners of the team and not a single entity which would be able to make a decision like that.
Getting real tired of teams fucking over cities
If the city helps you build a damn stadium, attendance to the first 6 games of the season should be free
>>64548492
I think that's a pretty good idea, but owners would never go for it.
Even the first game, first come first serve. Imagine the lines for the first FREE Raider game in a new stadium in LA? Holy fuck.
>>64548492
>spend money on stadium
>waste even more money on operations like electricity and stuff for free
>in a major city
>>64548492
I like this
Is that one delusional LA anon still around?
>When anyone thinks the Raiders, they think Los Angeles
>>64548492
You mean that it should come out of the players salary right?
In other words, for the first game of the season (6 is too much), players PAY for the fans to come see the game.
Stadium makes money off refreshments, beer and shit.
>>64548553
I know you are in /NBA/ shitting up the thread with your shooking memes, canadacuck
