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>le fraud man
Why isn't this bloke criticised more? He's fucking garbage, can't organise a defence and is taking the club nowhere
Fuck off Memetinez
Yeah you guys should bring Moyes back.
>>64511362
Moyes took Everton from a relegation candidate to a team fighting for top 4 every season despite having no money
>>64511339
to be fair 2 of the goals stole score today were quality & a no-pen as well
generally though defending has been piss poor, missing jags at the back
>>64511362
He's basically undone the defensive solidity Moyes had built over a couple of seasons
>le relegation man
>>64511379
>fighting for top 4 every season
Uh
try top 8
Also he's not criticised because it's Everton. They have no ambition.
He's killing the club
Second tier meme for when Van Lel finally goes.
Wigan fan here, I agree desu. He's a meme manager. Got praised every year for 'keeping Wigan up' despite the fact that it was his fault we were in that position every year. Steve Bruce kept us up much more comfortably and didn't get showered in jizz for it basically because he's not from Catalonia.
Martinez literally never learnt to organise a defense properly, finally relegates us and gets a massive promotion for it. I don't get it
>le poundshop Pep man
STOKE
T
O
K
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He is literally a poor man's Wonga.
When Lukaku inevitably gets sold at the end of the season, I'd like to see a new manager get the money and hopefully get better synergy in the back half.
I remember when /sp/ rated this cunt as the next best manager
Big Sam was attacked for calling him shit and overrated
Big Sam was correct again
>>64515468
/sp/ is always wrong, don't forget that
>>64511339
Everton has a great team desu, this man is a fucking hack
Just hire Ranieri and you'd unbeatable at the top
>>64512168
wow you're fucking retarded
>>64515570
>Everton has a great team
On paper we have one of the best squads in the league. I'd probably only swap with City, maybe Arsenal. Despite that the best Martinez can muster is 11th, below Leicester, Palace, Watford, West Ham, Stoke, an inconsistent Tottenham, a poor United and a poor Liverpool. If we could defend we'd easily be top 4 and the title wouldn't be that ridiculous considering how shit everyone else is.
>>64517496
>On paper we have one of the best squads in the league. I'd probably only swap with City, maybe Arsenal
Holy delusion
>>64517496
Friendly reminder that Gareth Barry is a first choice pick at Everton
>>64511339
It's what he's always done I'm sure they knew what they were in for
>>64517596
tell me a better squad right now
>>64517640
Any of the ones you claimed were worse than Everton?
>>64517614
If you actualy watched football you'd realise he's been one of our best players with Lukaku the past few games. Guess who else is doing really well for us recently? Tom fucking Cleverley. Players can do well that aren't Aguero, Sanchez, Hazard, etc.
>>64517661
alright so Sunderland and Aston Villa have better teams than Everton. Fuck off if you haven't got an answer
>>64517713
My answer is the same as before. You're comically delusional.
Everton have maybe the seventh best squad in the league and Martinez doesn't use half of the squad so Christ knows if they're any good or not.
>>64517679
>le cruiseliner hacking man
>>64517754
TELL ME THESE SEVEN SQUADS
are you retarded, or just afraid you can't backup your initial statement? I suspect both.
I was literally just thinking this. Lukaku is a goal machine, Barkley seems to be doing great and fulfilling some of his potential, Deulofeu is decent and Stones is already great. Why the fuck are they 11th?
>>64517766
>Aguero
>le made of glass manlet
what is your fucking point exactly?
>>64517780
ARSENAL CITY LIVERPOOL UNITED CHELSEA SPURS LEICSTER
>>64517780
1. City
2. Arsenal
3. United
4. Chelsea
5. Leicester
6. Liverpool
7. Palace
Whatddya know, Everton only have the eight best squad in the league. Even I'm overrating them!
>>64517834
Oh shit, I forgot Spurs. And Southampton.
Fucking Neverton.
yes he's garbage, but he's managing a garbage team
>>64517802
We can't defend. Martinez and Howard are to blame, to keep it simple. Martinez can't organize a defence and it doesn't help when the man behind the defence is a twitching baldy cunt who is addicted to his line more than your average toothless cokehead.
An average manager would get 6th+ easily with Everton's current team.
>>64517496
What's hilarious about everton fans is I genuinely cannot tell if this post is serious or not
Yea, the team that starts gareth barry and kone have one of the best squads in the league
After watching all the games so far this year, this is all of the problems I have with Everton:
Players taking positions for granted because they don't have to fight for them due to Martinez's favoritism.
Poor defense
1 set piece.
Team is full of midfielders. Think we could get more goals with 2 strikers.
Being perfectly honest, Everton have an amazing team! But not used in the right way. Should be in the top four!
>>64517897
>This post
and im ABL
>>64517834
>Palace
>United
>Liverpool
>Leicester
>Southampton
No, you are the deluded one. Each one of these teams has 2/3 good players and none have more than 3 players I would put into Everton's starting lineup
>>64517802
>stones
people have got over excited about his on the ball ability and are ignoring that he cannot defend for shit.
>>64517951
It's not even favouritism mate. They don't have a squad outside the starting 11, the rest is utter shit (heck even some of the starters are) or muh youth.
>>64517922
Martinez is to blame? Fuck off. It just as much the defenses fault. Howard is past expiry so we need to start Robles.
Funes Mori will be gone soon so we have Jags taking back over.
Managers are never given time anymore. Took Fergie 6 years to win his first BPL title. Was called shit up until he won it. Martinez could easily surprise anyone next year.
>>64517897
Lukaku is literally in the form of his career
and you're still below liverpool, a team who started bad and brought in a new manager
and liverpool don't have a single player who you could deem as in good form
how can you have a striker in the best form of his career and still be below a team in bad form, and then claim their squads are equal
top chuckle
>>64517834
Lukaku
Mirallas Barkley Deulofeu
McCarthy Barry
Baines Jagielka Stones Coleman
Howard
>>64517971
le he plays for my team so he's automatically good meme
>>64518018
Has to be favoritism, you'll find a porn video of Martinez and Kone at some stage next year. But if you ask me. Kone does work his socks off but isn't a wing midfielder. He's best suited as a striker or in some sort of defense.
>>64518014
>>64518026
God were Everton fans always famed for their sheer utter delusion?
>>64517834
>>64518058
Name the replacements from each of the teams you said
>>64511339
Discount Brenny for Discount Liverpool. It's like pottery.
DON'T IT ALWAYS SEEM TO GO
THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE GOT TILL IT'S GONE
>>64518070
instead of claiming delusion, why don't you actually explain your point of view?
>>64518073
Fuck off we need a new striker jolly. Would jolly Gignac. And petit :D
>>64518058
Jagielka, Coleman, Barry, Howard and Mirallas are overrated as fuck.
It's acceptable for liverpool to be delusional because they have rich owners who spend lots of money, it's reasonable to have high expectations
meanwhile everton fans have a shit owner, shit manager and shit squad and somehow think they should be in the champions league
if it wasnt for bobby brown shoes we'd be competing for the league la
>>64518093
Yeah, but the guy itt thinks they have a better squad than united and should be top 4
>>64518073
Your squad is shit, that is what we're saying
it's not all martinez's fault like you seem to think
>>64518032
If you're conceding 4 at home to Stoke no striker will help you. Also the sheer number of draws Everton have had gives a sort of false position in the league. Virtually all of their draws they were the better team but a bit of shoddy defending/goalkeeping loses us 2 points. Multiply that by 8 and you've got a lot of missed points
>>64518116
Howard is utter shite now, I can't deny. None of the others are overrated in the slightest and Barry is actually underrated as fuck
>>64518116
Jagielka- I don't know how to argue with that
Coleman- Most hard working right back in the league, fuck off
Barry- He isn't doing bad to be fair. I wouldn't call him overrated
Howard- Nobody is rating him as amazing, everyone knows he is an expired player. He was amazing before, but not now
Mirallas- Not a hope he is overrated.
Do you watch Everton matches?
>>64518163
>>64518157
Yawn Everton fans are so boringly delusional.
It's quite scary actually, lukaku has scored 15(?) goals and everton are 11th
What happens when lukaku hits a bad patch or gets injured?
>>64518162
What? Cabaye and Bolasie wouldn't start for Everton?
>>64518213
Kone up front maybe? Dunno how many goals he can score
>b-b-b-but our team is the 4th best in the league
>literally bottom half
>>64518239
probably 4
all season
>>64518131
>Lukaku
The best striker in the BPL ATM
>Deulofeu
One of the best wingers in the BPL ATM
>Barkley
One of the best central Attacking midfielders in the BPL ATM
>Baines
Despite being injured for a chunk of this season, still probably the best attacking LB in the BPL ATM
>Coleman
One of the best RBs in the BPL for the last few seasons and ATM
>Stones
The best young CB in the BPL ATM (although he did have a bad game today)
>Jagielka
One of the most solid CBs in the BPL for the past few seasons (except a couple month period at the start of last season)
>McCarthy & Barry
Despite rarely getting goals for their team, they're an amazing pair that control the midfield with dominance on their good days
>Howard
Absolute shite. He was pretty good 4+ years ago
>>64518250
Has the season ended? No
Also, stop trolling plz :////////
>>64518231
Having 2 players that would get into a squad doesn't make that team better. And I'm not even sure they would anyway
>>64517897
there might not be a massive difference between the starting lineups but liverpool have a much better squad
>>64518267
he's already on 5 this season m8 and Barkley's on 6
>>64518276
>Despite being injured for a chunk of this season, still probably the best attacking LB in the BPL ATM
he's not even the best attacking left back on merseyside
Barkley doesn't score or assist, he's pretty much useless
>>64511339
>challenge for top four once, two years ago, finish 7 points off
>hurr durrr BESTEST MANAGER EVA
people are finally coming around to the fact that he's shit
>>64518333
>Barkley doesn't score or assist, he's pretty much useless
>22 years old
>6 goals in BPL so far
>7 assists in BPL so far
Does literally every single person here form their opinions on feelings rather than fact?
>>64518301
Yeah you are legit delusional
>>64518276
>serious merseyside-tier delusion
the post
>>64518285
Okay so let's go with concrete results then. Remind me, where did you finish last season with a squad that was pretty much the same?
>>64514909
highly banterous
>>64518390
Oh, sorry 8 assists. He got one today as well
>>64518395
>Bolasie
He's good, but so are Deulofeu and Mirallas
>Cabaye
He's better individually than Barry, let's say. But we just don't need that sort of player in our team. He can't do the defensive work of Barry or McCarthy and wouldn't get a game over Barkley ATM, who has 6 goals 8 assists this season. What does Cabaye have this season?
>>64518410
Are you implying that it's only the squad that matters. There is no such thing as form, injuries, managers, luck, etc.? Remember when Fergie won the title with a shit squad and then Moyes could hardly scrape a win with them?
>>64517780
>he genuinely thinks everton have the third best squad in the league
haha, oooh, listen pal i'm sure you're a great fan and you like your players very much but no one who isn't an everton fan would do anything but laugh at that statement.
>>64518406
I'm literally just seeing the word delusion getting repeated. Not a single person has even attempted to argue my points
>>64518477
So you're saying all those factors are exactly the same considering you're still swimming in irrelevance in 11th?
>>64517496
>If we could defend we'd easily be top 4 and the title wouldn't be that ridiculous
That's simply not true, assuming you defend well you still need to score between 60-70 goals to get 4th
everton average ~50
>mfw this entire thread
>>64518492
That's probably because no one but Everton fans bother to watch Everton play before they form an opinion about them and their players. And no, I don't think we have the 3rd best squad in the league flat out. But I do think that when you consider the number of key players like Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barkley who are in the form of their life right now, that yes, we could very well have the 3rd best squad in the league. We've certainly got a better fucking squad than Leicester and look were they are/have been. We consistently finished 5-7th under Moyes and with a squad that was 10x worse than right now. Add that to the fact no team in the league is performing very well, and we're clearly underachieving. I blame Martinez.
>>64518276
>lukaku
being the current highest scorer halfway through one season doesn't make you the best
>deulofeu
above average, not the best or one of the best
>barkley
no
>baines
absolutely not
>coleman
above average
>stones
HYYYYYPE
>Jags
he's fine.
>mccarthy and barry
average midfield pairing
>howard
bad
everton have maybe the 7th or 8th best squad in the league, and, atm they play together 11th best
>>64515424
Lukaku gone is Everton fighting relegation with Martinez in charge.
>>64518636
>you don't watch my team week in week out like i do so you don't know how good our players are!
everyone, from every team, says this (unless they are genuinely awful).
>>64518594
We've scored the 3rd most in the league (only 2 behind City and Leicester). We've scored 35 at the half way point. That would produce a projected end of season haul of 70 goals. Is 70 with in the range of 60-70? Oh, I think it just might be...
>>64518720
>if you defend well you still need to score 70
1) everton cant defend well
2) everton wont score 70
Everton have never scored 70 goals in the premier league
but magically this season its guaranteed because i just mentioned it? and lukaku will score 30? ok buddy
>>64518720
>We've scored 35 at the half way point. That would produce a projected end of season haul of 70 goals.
that's not how it works
by your projection methods that means leicester will finish 2nd
>>64518722
>scousers
>shit owner
>shit manager
>shit squad
>shit fans
Everton aren't as good as they wanna be so they blame the manager, whom is the one of the only 3 beacons of hope they have( the other being lukaku and stones)
Arsenal, City, Spurs, United, Leicester, Crystal Palace and Watford have better teams than Everton. There, 7 teams and not even all of them.
>>64518647
>Lukaku
Do you know what ATM means? At the moment. He is the best ATM
>Deulofeu
define "one of the best". I'm not sure how many wingers have more than 3 goals and 7 assists this season
>Barkley
6 goals 7 assists. Who's doing better? Only one or two. I think that makes him one of the best ATM
>Baines
I don't rate him as highly as a few seasons ago when he simply WAS the best fullback in the league. In fact, he got the most assists of any defender last season. But I do still rate him very highly. That's based off me watching every minute he's played the past 5+ seasons. Not sure where your opinion comes from
>Coleman
Yes, which is more than you can say about 90% of BPL fullbacks
>Stones
Yes, there's a lot of hype atm, but that doesn't mean he still isn't the best young defender in the league
>Yep, he's good and can be amazing, but also occasionally not brilliant.
>McCarthy & Barry
Barry is inconsistent, but McCarthy is DEFINITELY above average. He goes under the radar but will control games single-handedly at times
>Howard
No, absolute shite
Criteria for a team being "better":
In an ideal combination of 2 teams the team with the most players is the better team. I honestly can't think of more than a couple of teams where I'd have more than 5 of their players. I'd happily listen to you prove me wrong.
Thing is, OP is only butt blasted because he is thinking of Pulis-era Stoke.
Hughes-era Stoke are actually a better side than Everton, not just tactically, but in their fucking players. Stoke have 5 Champions League winning players in their squad.
The fact is: a lot of teams have strengthened while Everton haven't (apart from Lukaku), so Everton are actually about where they deserve to me. I would not be surprised at all to find out Everton have one of the oldest squads in the league.
>>64518694
No, because people usually watch a lot of City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and now this season Leicester games. Not many neutrals bother watching Everton. Yet they are perfectly fine pretending they do on here.
>>64518946
Delusion: The post.
>>64518946
well lukaku didn't score today, but ighalo did, so ATM ighalo is better than lukaku.
^this is the logical conclusion of your 'AT THE MOMENT' argument^
>>64518946
You do know that your subjective bullshit means nothing when ultimately the quality and current strength of a squad relative to others can be emphatically proven with one simple stat:
League position.
You're 11th. There are 10 better squads in the league right now than Everton.
I'm not even convinced you have a better team than Stoke
>>64518784
>>64518818
How else am I going to predict an end of season tally? You can hardly claim I'm being biased or "delusional", as you people love to say. Yeah, we probably won't keep scoring as many as we have, but we'll almost definitely end this season having scored more than many teams above us
>>64518945
>Leicester, Crystal Palace and Watford
They literally just have championship squads sprinkled with a couple of in-form attackers. I'm not even an Everton fan, but that's just silly
>>64519078
>They literally just have championship squads sprinkled with a couple of in-form attackers
You just described Everton
>>64518996
Are you equating "today" and "this season"? You do realise that not all spaces of time are equal, right? And just in case that statement wasn't just an example, and you thought it was factually correct; it isn't. Lukaku scored twice today.
>>64519024
You really think life is that simple? Do you go through your life making sweeping statements like that? Of course league position doesn't correlate perfectly with squad quality
They were 11th last year and the only real improvement they made was Deulofeu.
>>64519087
>have been in the first division longer than any other English club
>has a second division squad
ok m8
>>64511877
>missing jags
that miserable excuse of a defender should have retired years ago
Reminder that everton finished 11th last season
i knew they were shit, but i didnt realise they were that shit
>>64519033
That Everton side is missing Baines, Jagielka and Mirallas. Yet it's still better than Stoke
People dont realise the squad has barely improved. Everton will end in top 10 most likely.
Yes, memetinez has some part of the fault but so does the board. Literally like 2 new players over the past 2 seasons (one of them was free) with the new tv deals and the kind of money the epl has its JUST tier.
>>64519165
kek how is that relevant
villa have played every pl season and have a league 1/2 squad right now
>this neverton delusion
>implying neverton will do anything this season or the next apart from finish top 7
>implying neverton have a top team
>implying you're not shit
topest of keks
>>64511339
>why isn't this bloke criticised much?
because literally nobody gives a shite about everton
>>64519184
>still better than stoke
>lost at home
?????
>>64518533
No response? Top rekt m8
>>64519196
>implying neverton will do anything this season or the next apart from finish top 7
That hasn't been implied at all. What has been implied is that, with a better manager and one or two signings they could be serious top 4 contenders
Good news
Cleverley and McCarthy both picked up injuries in the molesting they had against stoke today
>>64519221
this can be said of so many teams, why do you think you're special
>if
>>64519221
kek, you'll need defenders and a couple midfield players. Martinez is a superb manager, getting rid of him would be a mistake.
>>64519215
oh, sorry. And yes all those factors are pretty much the same. Except we've got a few attackers now that are in form, but unfortunately this has been counteracted by poor goalkeeping and defensive mistakes
>>64518276
>barry
he misses too many interceptions because of his tectonic plate-like movement
>>64519265
>Martinez is a superb manager
ask any Wigan, Swansea or Everton fan and they'll disagree
>>64519272
Delusion
>>64519287
well, they'll just be wrong then, won't they?
>boast about how good your defenders are
>complain about how shit you are defensively in the next post
what a strange fanbase
>>64519242
Alright. With a new manager and goalkeeper alone, they have the quality to be a top 4 team this season when considering how shit all the other teams are playing. Name me another team that this applies to that isn't already in/near the top 4
>>64519324
>all we have to do is change the team and we will be a good team
kek your argument is so silly
this is the team you have and it's shit
>>64519194
Contrary to popular belief, football didn't start in 1992.
Everton have been robbed of a fair amount of points this season, any other day they could be right up there with top 4 desu
>>64519287
If I was stupid enough to be born in Wigan, and then subsequently to watch football instead of Rugby, I think I would hail Martinez as a literal genius given his ability to keep Wigan in the PL for so long when they had fuck all right to be there.
That being said, I am not sure he is a great manager for Everton. In honesty, >Moyes did better with Everton and he never got to buy a 28m player.
>>64519305
I guess so, anonymous stranger on a Japanese image board
>>64519308
we have good individual defenders. That doesn't always equate to good defensive performances if the defense can't trust their shitty goalkeeper and the manager doesn't know how to set up a team defensively.
>>64519357
i'm questioning the validity of using ancient history in an argument as to the strength of your current squad
>>64519356
Nope the outfield 10 would be exactly the same, just the keeper. not sure how that is the same as "the team"
>>64519372
How on earth would you judge how good a defender is if not based on their defensive performances?
Now you guys see what retardedness us liverpool fans have to put up with when interacting with everton fans
>>64518276
>Evertonian
>Knowledgeable about football
pick one
>>64519399
the team as a unit would be altered by replacing the goalkeeper and manager. so yes that's changing the team
entitled arguments like yours are hilarious
>>64519365
>I think I would hail Martinez as a literal genius given his ability to keep Wigan in the PL for so long when they had fuck all right to be there
If you actually discuss this subject with Wigan fans, they'll usually call bullshit. They weren't struggling half as much before they got Martinez. And they sudenly started to concede x3 as many goals
>if we had a better manager and better players we would be better so when you think of it like that we have the 3rd best squad in the league
>>64519403
Good individual tackles and reading of attacking play is different to defensive organisation. How do you not understand this?
>>64519440
Yeah well obviously I want to change SOMETHING, otherwise what would I be complaining about? Am I allowed to want any positive changes without being called "entitled". It's especially frustrating when if you don't complain you get accused of being "unambitious", "forever midtable" and "Neverton"
>>64519479
Sometimes it's really hard to distinguish between trolls and poor reading comprehension. Which category are you, friend?
Na but seriously what do evertonians expect from a tinpot club
>muh history
>muh merseyside derby
you're only relevant because of liverpool, end of.
>>64519520
This guy is a nutter lads, typical scouser like
>>64519439
>tfw Lukucku absolutely demolished your league at the age of 17
>>64519570
you dont think lukaku is the age he claims, right?
thats why its so funny when people keep mentioning how young lukaku is
breaking news: he's 3 years older than he's claiming
>>64519559
Well if we're talking historically relevant, they're the 4th most relevant after United, Liverpool and Arsenal. But if you're talking currently relevant, I'd argue they're about as relevant as Liverpool (i.e. not very)
>>64519570
meme tier league I'll admit, still produced way more exciting talents than the prem has in recent years
>mfw Everton fan and seeing all the retards ITT
Fucking hell, get a grip guys. Our squad is nowhere near deep enough for any European football, and Martinez is blind to the glaringly obvious problems in our team. That said, sacking Martinez won't solve anything, he plays good football, but his aforementioned stubbornness is costing us dearly, especially when he constantly plays Howard and Kone, like fucking why. If he can fix those two things, bring in a new keeper this January / play Joel more, and keep Mirallas to replace Kone, we can salvage something at least respectable from this shite season.
Also, Stones is overrated as fuck, been our main weak link in defence as of late.
>>64519608
>everton are as relevant as liverpool
okie dokie m8
thats why we constantly see sp spammed with everton threads and millions of news articles about evertons performances
oh wait no we dont
>>64519596
>a professional athlete happens to be genetically superior
Are you honestly claiming there weren't weirdly tall people when you went to school? Besides, he was born in Belgium. How exactly would he fake his age?
>>64519446
Wigan were always going to go down once the tickets prices and general global awareness of the league rose. Their fan base was and is comically small. Martinez kept them in it longer than they should have been.
>>64519641
>about as relevant
>as relevant
poor reading comprehension strikes again! Besides I meant in terms of where they finish in the league these days, not fanbases. Obviously Liverpool have a way bigger fan base
>>64519688
theres a fairly big difference between finishing 5th/6th and 11th, like poverton did last season
>>64519739
We finished above them 2 out of the last 4 seasons m8. And they finished 6th last season
>>64519672
Well Wigan fans and myself would disagree. Besides, overachieving at one club doesn't necessarily make you an amazing manager. Moyes got us 5/6th season after season with a squad that had Phil Neville and Heitinga in midfield often and with strikers like Jelavic, Saha, Anichebe, Andy Johnson, Beckford,etc. But I still wouldn't have Moyes back.
>>64519357
You just talked about Villa as PL mainstays?
I'm speaking about Everton as top division team, they have never had good investment and should be doing better than what they are.
Basically 11th does not equal 11th best squad
>>64520020
literally does though
Everton have the 4th/5th best squad in the league.
Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea have the best quality in the squad.
After that is Tottenham/Everton
Liverpool have a few decent players but is mostly potential that is being unrealized bar Coutinho.
Man Utd's squad is a average bar De Gea
>>64523934
This is the only correct answer. Even though Chelsea are clearly playing worse than Everton this season, they do have a better squad on paper. Liverpool and United's squads are so fucking average, I don't understand why people think otherwise.
Everton's squad > Barcelona's squad
He got Wigan relegated
How do you reward that with a job at Everton 2bh?
>>64518444
Scott Dann is better than any Everton defender
>>64519910
>Everton fans base their success on finishing above their rivals
Wew
Scott Dan is a solid defender but thats simply not true. Its like arguing that Shawcross is also better. Both solid prem level player but not near the quality of Everton's defenders on an individual basis
>>64527131
Because the Man City players wanted to get Mancini sacked and phoned it in in that FA cup final
I feel he's just another victim of the modern game, sides are getting smarter all the time. Everton and Stoke was a good game to watch but both managers have got it wrong at times this season and faced the consequences. Even the greatest manager in the world Jose Mourinho failed to adapt this season, is it ignorance, arrogance or the result of living in a bubble? The job of a football manager is harder than it looks and I feel while Everton has some great individuals, they never feel like they are going to storm the league.
I think Everton as a club deserves more criticism, financially they are shady, they promised Walter Smith money they didn't have, they've sold players behind the coaches back, it's the same old story with Everton and that's why they haven't got to the top. Martinez is just another yes man. If it wasn't for the TV money, Stones would have gone.
But he's so cultured and well-spoken anon. Don't you want to be vibrant and progressive?
>>64533266
Isn't the consensus that Kenwright is pocketing the new PL riches for himself and claiming poverty?
>>64533744
Yes
Everton should be doing a lot better than they are. I've felt this before.
Martinez deserves credit for:
a) The development of players like Stones, Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley, Galloway
b) Making shrewd signings like Cleverley, Kone
c) Getting Everton to play very enjoyable to watch, attacking football
Martinez deserves blame for:
a) Defensive record, especially considering Stones and Coleman are great, Baines is really good, Galloway is decent. Funes Mori has done OK but not great
b) Not getting a higher league finish out of a squad with many good players, that I rate on par with Tottenham's squad - especially last year's season
c) Not dropping Howard for Roebles
He's turned Everton into a very entertaining and fluid, although not very efficient or succesful side.
>>64533981
Who'd have thought years ago that Everton and Stoke would be the most entertaining sides in the Premier League?
>>64533981
Robles isn't even good, he's just another mediocre Wigan player he bought for some reason
>>64533998
On any given 3pm saturday, I actually seek out the following teams to watch:
Leicester
Stoke
Everton
Crystal Palace
it's incredible
>>64519280
poor analogy, when a quake hits something else there's a massive emission of force from the collision
>>64533744
what a fucking champion ahahahhah
i bet he plotted that since he was a lad in the boys pen
