Name one player who have won :
The World Cup
The European Cup
The Champion's League
A Ballon d'Or
A FIFA Player Of The Year award
Then you'll know who's the real GOAT
>The European Cup
meme tournament
France 00 > France 98
>>64295027
> Literally the most difficult tournament ever
Try again Lambada
>>64295027
just because the copa is a meme tournament that doesnt mean the euros are
>>64295051
>the best players in the world don't play in it
>Greece and Denmark have won it
>not meme shit
>>64295056
>>64295027
neither are meme tournaments desu
>>64295027
Do people in South America actually care about the European Cup? Because in Germany (I don't know about other countries) no one cares about the Copa.
>>64295088
no, we don't
>>64295088
>No Suarez, Messi, Neymar
I dont think people outside of Europe would care about it.
>>64295010
Steven.
Gerrard.
>>64295010
All those teams were stacked as fuck, each team would have won the trophy without him.
And we all know those awards are blatantly marketing exercises.
Franz Beckenbauer
Gerd Muller
If we're counting the Copa as an equivalent to the Euros, then Rivaldo, Ronaldinho and Kaka too.
>>64295318
Zidane was charismatic talisman of his generation, what are you talking about? Even when Blanc and Deschamps were the organizers of the team they looked to him
>>64295318
>All those teams were stacked as fuck, each team would have won the trophy without him.
>2 goals in the WC final
>Player of the tournament at Euro 2000
>scored the winning goal in the CL final
>>64295356
Didn't turn up until the final though did he? Just scored a couple of headers. Thuram was better in 1998.
Source: was out of nappies at the time
>>64295380
>didn't turn up until the final
>>64295010
>listing essentially the same trophy twice
>>64295388
He literally did not. He even missed over 1/3 of the tournament because of a chimp out
>>64295323
There's a reason I put the FIFA Player of The Year award up in here. Everyone knows football before the 80/90's was irrelevant.
>>64295388
Prove me wrong. He even got himself needlessly sent off against Saudi Arabia, the great charismatic talisman that he is.
>>64295380
>didn't turn up until the most important game of the tournament when his team needed his talent the most
No wonder English soccer is a joke. You inbreds are completely retarded.
>>64295419
>literally
>>64295439
>you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AQTNshTjbc
Zidane was very young in 1998, very far from his prime.
>>64295380
>didn't turn up until the final
I'm pretty sure he was voted like 6th in the best player of the tournament award, and that is done before the final.
>>64295453
He was ascending, 98 was the start of it. Like I said, France 00 was the greatest ever French team. They deserve the most recognition.
Can we speak about how great Petit was?
>>64295453
He was 26, he was in his prime. The best form of his career was from 97-03.
>European Cup
>Champions League
Why'd you bother listing both?
>>64295481
he means UEFA euro cup
>>64295478
What about his late career reemergence?
>>64295010
Messi
>>64295010
>balding at the ages of 25
>>64295525
high test. he looked better bald anyway
>>64295470
>Petit
>Great
You misspelled Makelele.
>>64295525
> Balding at the age of 20
Overrated bald-headed faggot who is more known for chimping out in the World Cup, than any other accomplishment he achieved.
>>64295443
1 or 2 nice passes, a few drawn fouls in midfield, a good shot blocked and a missed sitter. Was this supposed to be impressive or something?
>>64295506
His reemergence was the 06 World Cup. He was shit for Madrid in 04-06
>>64295538
Makelele was a GOAT but Petit was important for France too
>>64295538
>>64295582
Deschamps > both of them
>>64295567
>he didn't show up until the final
>Here is he in the semi finals of the world cup performing as a playmaker at the heart of his team and performing at a very high level. Dribbles, passes, tempo, touch, drawing fouls, he is swarmed all the time.
>so what?
twitter generation football fans.
>>64295010
Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka.
>>64295608
Mentally perhaps, but Deschamps was easily the most inferior footballer of the three.
>>64295027
>>64295641
Time to stop posting, friend
>>64295626
How many chances did this high level playmaking performance create for his teammates? I counted maybe 0.5
>>64295640
>Brazilians
>Winning a Euro
You mad bruv?
>>64295700
Who said anything about winning the euros?
>>64295685
There is a reason Cantona called him the water carrier. He knew his limitations and worked had for the team. In this sense, he was crucial for France and that is why he is a legend. But he was not a better footballer than Petit or Makelele
>>64295724
>taking anything this cancerous player says seriously
There is a reason why the French NT never performed until he fucked off
>>64295715
OP clearly meant Euros instead of European Cup as Zidane (nor the 3 Brazilians you said) has never won the trophy as it was known then in 1993
>>64295700
I'm sure at least one of them has won the South American equivalent.
You can only beat what's in front of you, and those guys have done it all.
> Decade spent at top clubs
> Only 1 (one) Champions league
> Only 1 EUROs
This guy has 4 CLs, 2 Euros, and was Man of the Match in most of the finals
> Inb4 'no Ballon D'or'
He would have a couple if he was more of a media whore
>>64295770
But he was right about that
>>64295780
I think they all have but if we're swapping competitions then what's the point of OP's post?
>>64295786
tbf ballon d'or only became fully corrupted when it was combined with the FIFA player of the year award. Not that it was perfect award before that.
>>64295786
That guy also played in the most stacked club and NT side of the modern era.
>>64295810
>what's the point of OP's post?
Cherrypicking select few achievements to make Zidane look like a better player than he was.
>>64295827
Name better achivements a player can get
>>64295819
And he was always among the top 3 players of all of his teams
>players, managers, pundits, just about the whole fucking football world acknowledges Zidane as one of the best players of all time
>/sp/ says he was overrated
Why do you faggots have to be so contrarian all the time?
>>64295827
You mean the very best achievements that only the very best can obtain?
>>64295854
Every player is overrated
>>64295356
>scored the winning goal in the CL final
Also got shut out of another CL final by Paul Lambert.
>>64295818
How is it corrupted? If we accept the original Ballon d'Or (awarded by journalists) as legit and the FIFA award (awarded by NT captains and coaches) as legit, and OP's post implies we're supposed to, then there's no reason to dismiss the new Ballon d'Or (awarded by journalists+NT coaches and captains)
The only slightly fishy thing was moving the deadline for the 2013 one so Donaldo could stat pad vs Sweden
>>64295869
Every great player has been shut out in big games before, means jack shit
>>64295841
Multiple CL wins. Trophies aren't something you just check off your list. Quantity matters
>>64295810
>competitions
>s
It was ONE competition. They can't possibly have competed in that competition because of their birthright.
Ronaldo, at least, has won the South American equivalent. You can't really ask for more than that.
>>64295878
The new ballon d'or isn't awarded by journalists
>>64295854
/sp/ is all about flavour of the month. Vardy is GOAT but Zidane is shit.
>>64295910
Ronaldo didn't win the CL though. Rivaldo and Ronaldinho are the only south americans who meet OP's criteria
>>64295901
Look who's cherrypicking now
>>64295878
I don't accept either as legit, but they were harmless. They were individualist awards but they were considered second rate.
>>64295910
Cool
>>64295786
The player Zidane wished he could be
>>64295914
It is.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or
>awarded based on the votes from national team coaches and captains, as well as journalists from around the world
>>64295945
Let's be honest, whether rightly awarded or not, trophies like the Balon d'Or don't mean all that much. We all know which players we'd want on our team
>>64295949
But Zidane had every quality Iniesta has
>>64295937
My bad. I absolutely just took it for granted that Fenomino had won a CL.
In any case, there are multiple ways to be great. Zidane was one of greatest. There are certainly a few players I rate ahead of him though.
>>64295027
>3rd in the world cup
>can't even qualify for the world cup
5 euro finalists in last 3 world cups
Euros is the GOAT tournament
>>64295983
How about a cool head that allowed him to not get sent off like an utter moron?
>Daily Zidane thread
Oh boy! Here we go again
[spoiler]desu i think that he's a true GOAT and that /sp/ is full buttpained autists trying too hard to be edgy contrarians by hating Zidane, but i certainly love how controversial Zidane discussions on /sp/ are[/spoiler]
>>64295983
Yeah they are similar, Iniesta just does it more consistently and effectively in the big games
>>64295786
He would have a Balon D'Or if Messi and Ron weren't around.
If Messi and Ron played during Zidane's career then Zidane wouldn't have a gold ball.
>>64296003
First good point you made. In a way though, Zidane's hotheadedness only contributes more to why people loved him.
>>64295952
Still bullshit. Players and coaches shouldn't be allowed to vote, because judging from the voting results most of them don't pay any attention to football outside of their own teams/leagues. They also tend to vote for their m8s instead of being impartial.
>>64295983
Zidane did not possess the same ability to dribble the ball in tight spaces with multiple defenders around him that Iniesta has.
I would also argue that while Zidane's passing was elite, Iniesta can thread the needle more accurately.
Zidane was stronger, and a better aerial and long distance shooting threat.
>>64295051
>won by a team that didn't qualify for it and had to recall its players from their holidays, completely out of shape
A tournament that has been won by Denmark and Greece cannot possibly be considered the 'Most Difficult'.
>>64296046
And this.>>64296021
>>64296003
If you weren't alive or a toddler in 98, stop commenting about it
>Zidane the star in 98
Not even the best playerin the Juve side he was part of
Pick one
>>64296036
I know it's bullshit. I was just pointing out that it's stupid to revere the old awards and dismiss the new one because it's somehow "corrupted" when, in fact, it's literally the two previous awards merged
>>64296050
> World Cup
A tournament that has been won by England cannot possibly be considered the 'Most Difficult'.
>>64295786
Iniesta will always have Xavi attached to his name. Unless he can prove himself outside of his comfort zone he will always be inferior to Zidane.
>>64296021
>>64295983
Surely the teams they played in is a factor here. Zidane played in some GOAT teams but surely he would have really shone in a tiki-taka possession team.
>>64296050
>23 years later
>still mad
BEST 1995-2005 FOOTBALLERS POWER-RANKING
1. Ronaldo
2. Ronaldinho
3. Zidane
4. Rivaldo
5. Henry
6. Scholes
>>64296046
Agreed. Only Messi and Maradona have the ability of Iniesta in tight spaces.
Zidane had great passing with both feet, shooting, set pieces.
>>64296069
Fuck off with that comment.
Xavi, excellent as he was, is such a meme.
Iniesta provided so much more X-factor.
Even if I grant you the Xavi attachment, the same logic can be applied even more so to Zidane and his colleagues.
>>64295971
But its being pushed very hard. The only meaning it has had in the past years is to marker whether Ronaldofans or Messifans were right in saying their boy was better. Once Ronaldo stops getting nominated it will be """"evidence"""" that Messi is the greatest player of all time (not far-fetched in my opinion) and legitimize the trophy. It's going to be football's oscars. The future Henrys, Sneijders, Robbens, Riberys, Suarezs, Xavis, Iniestas are going to suffer a bit from it imo.
>>64296069
Zidane has literally never won a trophy without a GOAT dm next to him (deschamps or makelele).
I can play this stupid game too
>>64296069
Literally retard the post
>>64296102
I agree with your top 2 anyway.
I'd have Totti certainly ahead of Scholes. Perhaps Vieira too.
>>64296069
2015 CL Final
Iniesta was M.O.T.M and Xavi just did a cameo at the end
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_UEFA_Champions_League_Final
>>64296073
This. Zidane played in some good teams, but none as dominant and cohesive as modern Barca.
Another thing to consider is there was more parity in Zidane's era. Seria A was stacked as fuck when he was at Juve, and Real fell apart after the 02/03 season, when they got rid of Hierro and Makelele and thought they could get by with guys like Pavon at CB and no DM in midfield.
>>64295088
we don't care that much about the copa either, para ser sincero, the only thing we care about is the world cup and for messi to win something
>>64296046
He was as good a dribbler as Iniesta but didn't have the body to penetrate as well as Iniesta can, that it is true. His long shooting and physical strength were superior, I agree. Zidane was not good in the air, however, despite his scoring headers in the WC final.
Can we aknowledge that every player he played with at Madrid - Ronaldo, Figo, Cannavarro, Beckham, Casillas - all pointed to him as the best player on their team? He was that great.
Effectiveness and results are the most important factor no doubt, but surely Zidane gets credit for his style and elegance of play. Not many people have ever made the game look so beautiful.
>>64296106
He's right though. I'd love to see Iniesta play out of his comfort zone. This guy literally have played under the same system everywhere and all his life. But he'll never have the balls to do a Schweinsteiger.
>>64296154
>Serie A was stacked as fuck when he was at Juve
Stop this meme. During the 5 years that he was there, Juve was the only Italian team to reach the CL semis. It was Juve and a bunch of good but not great teams
>>64295949
fun fact: Zidane wished to be Maradona
>>64296194
I'd love to see Zidane win a trophy without a goat dm to cover his ass.
Too bad he was never able to do that. For the record, I think this argument is retarded, I'm just trying to show you how dumb you sound
>all these Zidane/Iniesta arguments
Both are behind Michael Laudrup. He was basically Iniesta in Zidane's body, but with more pace than either.
>>64296194
>the balls to do a schweinsteiger
You mean be mediocre in a top 3 club while moving to a lesser club because he's looking past his prime?
>>64296177
True, though I find him kind of frustrating that a lot of his beautiful stuff didn't amount to much sometimes... It's easier to do pretty flicks around the opposition strikers than it is around their last defender
But yeah the ruthless stats-driven effectiveness of guys like CR7 isn't as fun
>>64296219
They all stand behind Cruyff
>>64295010
>The World Cup
check
>The European Cup
Copa América, check
>The Champions League
check
>A Ballon d'Or
check
>A FIFA Player Of The Year award
check, two of them
plus
A Copa Libertadores
>>64296194
Part of being a good player is recognizing what you are good at and sticking to it.
He doesn't need to prove anything else.
And every halfway decent team has a system built around their players' strengths and weaknesses. Even Zidane's.
Schweinsteiger isn't a fair case. His decline was apparent before he left Bayern and thus we cannot judge this solely as being a result of his transfer.
>>64296219
I'd argue that being a manlet actually helped Iniesta since it allows for better balance and mobility in tight spaces.
>>64296213
>I'd love to see Zidane win a trophy without a goat dm to cover his ass.
Literally every great attacking player needed someone to cover their ass. Of course you're not gonna win shit when you have no stability in midfield, as Madrid found out post 2003 when they tried playing with Zidane and Guti in the same team with no Makelele.
>>64296262
Of course it helps, but go watch some Laudrup vids, he was just as good in tight space despite being 6' tall.
>>64296249
Thank you Argentina.
While his light shone briefer than many of the greats', I believe nobody touches Gaucho in his prime.
He had it all, won it all and was entertaining doing so.
>>64296068
to be fair, england didn't won the cup, they bought it.
>>64296068
also
>jules rimet
>counting as a world cup
>>64296108
please tell me you're one of these Facebook tier faggots who thinks sneijder should have won in 2010
>>64296285
kek, especially after the hand of god.
>>64296285
That's rich coming from the country that rigged one of their WC wins, and needed refball to win the other
>>64296301
I don't even want the award to exist on this level. For tournaments, golden balls and golden gloves and golden boots? Sure, why not. But over the course of a year? Essentially two halves of two different seasons? No thanks. Not at this level anyway, it's nonsense.
>>64296195
> It was Juve and a bunch of good but not great teams
mfw Inter had Cordoba, Zanetti, Blanc, Ronaldo, Seedorf, Di Biaggo, Recoba...
mfw Milan had Maldini, Costacurta, Sheva, Gattuso, Ayala, Redondo, Leonardo, Bierhoff...
> "Good but not Great"
>>64296423
>they had good players
>it means the team was good
Both Milan teams had some awful seasons during those 5 years, Milan was even finishing outside of the top 10 IIRC.
Having good players /= being a good team
>>64296386
>not best player on his team
>not best player in his league
hure durr let's pick the most recognizable face on the winning team and proclaim in best of the season
>>64296471
Oh yeah, lets talk about the Lazio and the Roma when they won their title, that will show how not stacked the Serie A was back then.
Lazio had Cafu, Samuel, Zanetti, Totti, Batustita, Emerson
Roma had Boksic, Salas, Mancini, Mihaijlovic, Nesta, Simeone, Nedved, Inzaghi, Veron and Couto
Awful teams
>>64296597
Obviously, the teams are switched
>>64295051
HUEEUHEUHEUHEUEHUEHEUH.
>>64296597
How did all those GOAT Lazio/Roma/Inter/Milan fare in Europe vs quality opposition? Surely a league with so many fantastic players would dominate the CL.
Also you're forgetting Parma, another meme nostalgia team with muh ebin oldschool players that got BTFO as soon as they set foot in the CL
>>64296747
> Competitive league teams struggle against teams that play in babby leagues
The same thing is literally happening right now, wake up Jacek.
>>64295983
Zidane isn't a manlet
>>64296747
These teams were half world class, half mediocre. You can't compare them with the super teams of today that hoard every world class player
>zidane
>not even top 3 at juve
goat my ass
>>64295027
Nice bait Favela Nigger
>>64296314
>>64296369
yeah, because defeating peru 6-0 totally means it's rigged, it's just fucking peru. I bet Argentina totally let that last ball of the dutchs crash on the post just for dramatism. also both neverlands and argentina played some of the finest murderball i've seen. we won that match fair.
>29 years after the hand of god
>still mad
we also had our share of bad calls by the reffs, the 90's wc final penalty, 94's bullshit red card to ortega because of van der sar, and resently neur's attempt of murder against shitguain in brasil. shit like that wouldn't happen if fucking fifa just adapted new technology to the game.
>the copa
what the fuck is this
>Not even top 10 Midfielder of all time
>GOAT
Fucking sandniggers love to cling to Zidane so much.
>You now realise Barcelona is the place for GOAT's to reside
>Laudrup
>Maradona
>Xavi
>Messi
>Iniesta
>Fat Ron
>Ronaldinho
Zidane isn't better than any of those I just listed.
>>64299338
>laudrup
europeans should stop bringing this meme up
>>64299338
Romário, Cruyff, Tsubasa.
>>64295076
La Copa meme was such until 2011 after they decided to not make it biyearly anymore. Once upon a time it was celebrated once a year.
>>64299338
Barca was a meme team until 2006 desu
>>64301261
Having it yearly doesn't make it bad, especially if you consider international club football wasn't what it is now, that whole euro is harder to win than the world cup is a joke
>>64295995
>Wc champs
>Cant make it out of group stages
Just because Netherlands turned shit doesnt mean the rest are of better quality. For example; if Mexico would have failed to make the wc it doesnt mean panama is now wc level. Just mexico isnt anymore, same applies with hollandlands
>>64299338
Ronaldo played one (1) season at Barca. He's a Madrid legend bruh, he even proclaims himself as a Madridista. He said the only foreign player to bring joy to Brazilians was Zidane - the player he most enjoyed playing with and the best.
I think Messi is only superior to Zidane in two aspects: 1. Goal scoring (obviously as ones a forward and the other is a modfielder ) and 2. Dribbling. All the rest of the qualities Zidane has better.
Xavi and Iniesta literally grew up playing the same style of football, they graduated into the first team playing the same style, and even had that style adapted for them in the national team. There's a reason Spain switched to tiki taka in 2010 (Because that's the only way Xavi and Iniesta know how to play) Zidane however was dominant in three different France teams, he was the best player of the galacticos and he was skill- wise the best player at Juve. Imagine if he grew up playing the same style of football with the same people for his entire career. Im glad he wasn't like that though, because then he could be shut down like Spain and Barca have been shut down in the past.
>>64295786
>Winning the CL when your team literally = top form Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Messi, Xavi, Suarez, Neymar, Puyol, Piqué, Alves, Mascherano
>Winning the Euro and WC when your team = top form Torres, Villa, Xavi, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Puyol, Silva, Ramos, Casillas
This doesn't proove anything ffs. Not saying Iniesta is shit, I actually think he's at least as good as Zidane was, and definitely the best midfielder of his generation.
But titles don't proove shit. Ballack never won the world cup, Götze did and even scored the winner. Guivarch won the world cup, Ribery didn't. Ibrahimovic never won the CL, poor form Torres did and humiliated Barcelona on his way. And the list goes on (Cruijff, Raul, Baggio...)
>>64301637
Literally retard the post
>>64297745
>neur's attempt of murder against shitguain in brasil
you're still mad about that? It's been over a year! chokeguain just shouldn't have gone for the ball when Neuer came out, Neuer also played the ball first
>>64301821
Nice argument. Go to bed son, you got school tomorrow.
>>64301626
NO ERA u know what
>>64295010
Gerd Muller........Fifa Player of the Year was past him but he won everything else. Why he is GOAT
>>64301826
Literally should of been a red card, and somehow piguayin gets a yellow, baka
>>64301851
Read the thread you retarded fuck
>benzema9
Just saw this, no wonder
>>64302091
This mad
>>64295819
Unlike poor Zidane who had the best french generation ever, stacked juve and all stars real madrid
Zidane's glory outshines the fact that France 98 had the most formidable defense the french team ever had:
Lizarazu - Blanc - Desailly - Thuram
literally GOAT tier
Euro 2000 had the fastest attack the French NT ever had:
Henry- Trezeguet - Anelka; so that was fairly spectacular sometimes.
The french were fun to watch back then
>>64304571
>France 98 had the most formidable defense the french team ever had:
This is the most formidable defence any NT has ever had. IIRC, France never lost a game when they started that back four + Barthez
Why does Zidane make people so butthurt anyways?
>>64304571
France - Italy from the 98 WC is one of my favorite matches ever. Possibly the two best NT defensive lines ever facing each other. And based Cannavaro shined above everyone
>>64295027
7-1
More than a meme, a legend :^)
>>64295027
it is, but so is the WC
though the new EC might be more memey
>>64301637
your ass got btfo in the last thread already so please drop trip and go back to reddit
>>64296747
iirc all those teams were kinda shit when the players were at their prime.
Then in 2003, when most of them were old and worn out, it was 3/4 Italians in the CL semis.
Kinda like Chelsea in 2012. Nobody would claim it was better than, say, 2005, but sometimes experience counts for more than talent in knockout tournaments
>>64296279
This a million times. It's the one thing I love about Dinho the most, when he was in his prime not only did he win everything, it was amazing to watch him play
>>64304571
the 98', 94' and 90' mascots are the GOATS.
02 is the worst one so far
>>64296050
>not even true
Denmark still had to play a friendly against the Soviet ruins. They were still training and nobody had left the country yet.
>no premier league
>>64304823
>one of my favorite matches ever
>the two best NT defensive lines ever facing each other
An Italian fapping over defense. Well, color me surprised.
>>64295010
Literally one of the greatest players of all time, remember when he tore Brazil apart limb by limb absolutely hilarious one of my earliest football memories, literally gave me a hard on for the game itself not just my own team, made a football fan not just a Liverpool fan
>>64295010
pic related, not even kidding
now he's fucking eastern european models
>>64323067
truly the goat at fucking bitches and getting divorced.Based Loddar
but has he won the most prestigious tropy of them all: the concacaf gold cup? yeah, didn't think so.
>Zidane posting
Biggest meme going around that Zidane is anywhere near GOAT levels.
