Let's talk about this Mickey Mouse trophy, /sp/. Do you think River stand a chance against Barcelona?
Consider the following:
>playing in Japan is always easier for the American team, as it's faster for them to adapt to the jet lag
>River is already in Japan, while Barça is playing this weekend in leliga and travelling there after that, which means way less time to train
>Barça will need to acclimatize in just a few days
>Nerman ded
I honestly think they have a big chance to win the trophy.
You now remember Estudiantes vs Barcelona. Underrated match desu lads
Who /america/ here?
>>64122072
And Estudiantes lost because Pedro scored an equalizer in the 88th minute, they were so close to winning it.
>>64122072
good match family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FpQZBBzzpo
You're way too optimistic, OP
River Plate has been in absolutely shit tier form since selling some of their players halfway into the year.
I'd consider River lucky if they don't get blown out
>>64122176
is sanchez playing for river?
Will Kranevitter play?
>>64122063
>playing in Japan is always easier for the American team, as it's faster for them to adapt to the jet lag
That's not only stupid, it's completely wrong. Brazil is on the exact opposite of Japan on the globe. Argentina, not much further.
Spain is MUCH closer.
>>64122124
Fuck off, retard.
>>64122297
yes
>>64122124
chinga a tu madre
que bueno que los gatitos se los madrearon
>>64122401
Jet lag is always harder when you travel to the east than when to travel to the west.
To go from Brazil to Japan they cross the Pacific Ocean, not the whole world.
>>64122383
Probably, he only stayed for this cup and the sudamericana
>>64122477
Distance from Argentina to Japan is much more than Spain to Japan.
>>64122477
This is why you can't get a job, Paco.
BA to Tokyo: 11.200km
Barcelona to Tokyo: 6.600 km
Literally half the distance.
>>64122477
Also all flights from Argentina to Japan travel east. It would actually take longer and use more fuel to fly north and west to japan because of trade winds. The Pacific Ocean is larger than you're giving credit.
>>64122634
>Also all flights from Argentina to Japan travel east.
AFAIK there ARE direct flights from Rio-SP to Tokyo, so I assume BA also has them.
The problem with that is that you're sitting on your ass on an airplane for 18hs without stops.
>>64122660
All I can see are flights that go through europe, maybe it changes based on the seasons?
>>64122616
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/jet-lag-is-tougher-when-traveling-east-but-precautions-can-ease-its-effects/2012/12/24/e75305f8-3a67-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_story.html
It's bullshit that concacaf and Asia play in the quarters. They should split them up because they would both beat the African team and the Japanese home team
Too bad for Auckland really thought it was their year
>yfw South Americans care about this shit like it's the world cup
Gonna happen again tbqh.
Hey man dont count America out yet? They can still make it .
>>64122751
>yfw only 1 english club EVER defeated a brazilian cup in an official match, ONCE
>yfw 80s Liverpool got BTFO by Zico/Junior, '2000 United got BTFO by Romário/Edmundo/Juninho and 2012 Chelsea got BTFO by literally nobodies
>>64122751
>yfw yuros don't
>>64122765
>implying anybody can defeat a club with this badge
>>64122124
Chinga tu madre
>>64122783
>>64122774
>>64122751
Let's not slip into erroneous assumptions. Does this look to you like the face of someone who doesn't care?
>>64122765
If you want me to dump my pepe folder you just have to ask.
do they care about this competition in south america?
its such a waste of time
>>64122774
>>64122783
>>64122821
>Caring this much about something that is literally more irrelevant than a pre-season friendly
KEK
E
K
>>64122765
Chingas a tu madre tu también
so, river is in japan, do we have some photos of them reacting to all the otaku culture there
>>64122833
>FOX AND GRAPES
G. Neville literally describes the loss to Vasco da Gama as the worst moment in his career.
lmao, you can only stop caring when you start winning, ingurland.
>>64122891
>2008
Good times, when the mighty Manure Poonited scraped a 1-0 win against LDU QUITO.
>>64122751
It's so saad seeing al euros talking about this shit like it ain't nothing, while here everybody is like, and I quote, it's the most important match a club can play and the biggest trophie a club can achieve
>>64122891
Notice how in some cases the winner of the European Cup didn't even feel like playing and Europe just sent a runner up
>>64122891
>atletico madrid won the IC cup
How is this possible? They never won the European Cup
>>64122891
>you can only stop caring when you start winning
good phrase
>>64122902
LDU beat fluminense in libertadores that year, amirite?
>>64122911
Ask corinthians
if its easier to adapt to the jet leg if you are from the america why doesnt barcelona just fly over the atlantic and pacific to go to japan? this way they have more or less the same way as river plate
>>64122907
Same is true here.
Santos declined participation in a handful of Libertadores because touring Yurop BTFOing their teams was far more profitable.
>>64122916
yup
good times
Why aren't there more blowouts in the final and why do some european teams end up losing. Are the South American teams better than we though??
>>64122911
Bayern, the winners of the European Cup Atletico Madrid were runners-up in, decided to not participate in the cup, probably due to scheduling conflicts, so Atletico played (and won) in their place.
>>64122968
>we
>>64122821
They just don't care that much.
For what I know, judging by yuro's standards
>Continental cup (Champions) > Local league > Continental shitty cup (Europa League) = Country cup > Club world cup > Continental super cup > League cup = Country super cup
While here pretty much everybody would rather say
>Club world cup > Continental cup (Libertadores) > Local league = Continental shitty cup (Sudamericana) > Country cup > Continental super cup > Country super cup
Even though Sudamericana and Club World cup suck and are utter shit... it's all messed up
>>64122063
i dont think its a given that river plate will make the finals
>>64122999
this tbqh
>>64122983
That's a recent thing, though. From the past 15-20 years, post-Bosman.
EVERYONE wanted the old Intercontinental Cup.
>>64122983
>Club world cup > Continental cup (Libertadores)
Only in your head pablito
>>64122891
>atsterisko madrid
>>64122999
yeah, they lost to huracan recently
Continental super cup >>>>>> Club world cup
The first one is against a propper rival as a final test on preseason, the second one is a bunch of shit in the middle of proper competitions against teams that think that they're playing for something relevant
>>64122968
Two reasons: European teams don't give a shit about this particular cup, most just consider it a amusing trinket. Also, European teams play the Club World Cup right in the middle of their league season and near the end of the Champions League group phase, which have more priority.
>>64122968
> Are the South American teams better than we though??
Didn't Pep CRY when he won his 1st? I also remember Pérez saying they needed to win it last year.
Yuro clubs most certainly care, at best english clubs don't.
>>64123049
they care, but not like we do
>>64123016
Yeah, before when it was a two leg event it mattered. When it was moved to Japan it wasn't the same but teams still wanted to win, pride like with Madrid losing to Boca
Ever since it became too CWC it's pretty meaningless
>>64123049
Poop cried because it meant the conclusion to the perfect year.
>Si perdeu, seguireu sent el millor equip del mon. Si guanyeu, sereu eterns.
gallinadepiel.jpeg
>>64123049
Poop also cried (in anger) when his team lost to the MLS all stars, he's just a hothead in the moment I don't think he cares about the competition.
>>64123064
they almost lost that match though.
>>64123090
Real Madrid and Manchester Utd also almost lost in 98 and 99. Both flukes.
>>64123117
If you win all supercups but loose all of the three relevant trophies is considered a year "in blank", I don't know how things work there.
>>64122968
They WERE really good. In fact, pre 90s the southamerican NTs were mostly formed by local players and they won world cups and everything
>>64123173
>the southamerican NTs were mostly formed by local players
>NT
>local players
How could it be different? We are not germans we dont need to naturalise africans to win
>>64123201
it means they played in the local league.
>>64123201
I meant to say that played in the local leagues
>>64122904
It's not. 99.9% of times the champions winner is the club wc winner. The best trophy is the champions league, period.
>>64123261
Nigga, please.
>>64122891
>>64123201
>We are not germans we dont need to naturalise africans to win
Brazil and Argentina chatting. I understand your point but you can't post that with at least one quote
kek
>>64122751
Seeing yuropoors butthurt because they lost to some shitty south american team is glorious
>Implying Club America won't win this Donald duck cup.
Ahhhhhh..me..rica!!!
most argentinians clubs sell all their players and become shit before playing this cup tbqh
>>64122477
they go for the est tho
enBidia ?????..................nene que edad tenes, no saBes que papa boca la gano 3 Beces
>>64122916
and the very next one too
>>64122911
> Liverpool won CL 5 times
> never world champion
> Aleti never won CL
> its world champion
do all hispanics speak english to each other
>>64123290
dude, all our africans were killed m8, we are just brown as fuck
>>64124020
We are just respecting board etiquette.
>>64123970
JAJAJAJAJA
>>64124020
No, we speak hungarian.
>>64124381
You do? :3
Wtf Is this cup? Who are the top 4 teams?
>>64124381
>brazil
>hispanics
negrumps shut up
>>64124493
igen
>>64124020
We would just insult each other speaking in spanish. So it's much better this way.
>>64124616
>boludo
>weon
>csm
>hdp
>jajajaja
>jaja
>>64124020
vivi pra ver o dia que um gringo comentou isso.
>>64124700
Parabens, risos.
>>64124738
porque no hay /esp/? las bromas sería legendario
>>64124858
Primero, porque escribiría gente como tú con sus bromas legendario mira mi huevo.
Segundo, porque todo serían imbéciles diciendo VIVA ESPAÑA, CALLENSE PENDEJOS, DEVUELVAN EL ORO, ARGENTINA RAZA SUPREMA, JAJAJAJAJAA, HIJOSDEPUTA
>>64124907
you lost me at "look at my egg"
let's both google translate into russian and see how it goes
Opeл пpизeмлилcя
>>64124951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D15U7AKtB_w
>>64122983
In England more like:
=1. Champions League
=1. Premier League
3. FA Cup
4. Europa League
5. League Cup
6. Euro Super Cup
7. Community Shield
8. Club World Club
>>64122660
>'The problem with that is that you're sitting on your ass on an airplane for 18hs without stops.'
>as if it would be better to be sitting on a stopped airplane
christ, brazilians are stupid
>>64122925
Corinthians were legitimately champions. They were the champions of the host nation. That's how they got qualified to the competition.
That's how Japanese clubs are qualified to the competition today as well.
>>64125148
And that's why we're retards. Why not aim for European domination? It's the biggest trophy you can win.
>>64124907
y tambien POSTEARIAMOS VELAS
>>64124700
te falto
>kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
>>64122063
Consider the following
>south america is the world's biggest football player exporter, in particular, argentina tops that group(over 6k players left last year its ridiculous)
>no big team except maybe some mexican team can hold their startng XI if they meet some success
>the libertadores is the biggest trophy in the continent
>from the starting XI that played most of the libertadores matches, River has lost Teo Gutierrez, Rojas and Funes Mori.
>yuropean teams can buy new great players(that is, in fact, how they get gud), south american teams rely on growing them
annd you now understand why SA teams have gigantic difficulties playing this cup, teams over here get eaten by foreign money as soon as they are successfull
>>64122072
Estudiantes here. That they it literally rained on the city. It was a deserved loss, but still, we were so close. It would have been one of the biggest upsets ever.
>>64122072
Oh, and Ill add for whoever is interest a video of Sabella explaining how the team played vs Barcelona.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnUkSnicSaQ
>>64122124
Here senpai
>>64127485
Do you think that the quality of the players exported by Argentina today is similar to the level that had from the mid 90s until Riquelme?
Besides being less mature because they're sold being 12.
>>64127968
"Primero se iban los cracks. Después se llevaron a los muy buenos, y después a los buenos. Hoy compran a los medio pelo y a los malos tambien"
>>64122063
>implying qatarlona or riBer can beat America
good one, m8s.
Sambueza>>>>>>messi
>>64122817
>>64122472
que chingue a su madre peña y el america jeje XDDDDDDD
salu2 desde sinaloa xD
>>64128019
But then the problem is not just about european or chinese money buying players, is that you lost the hability to produce them too.
>>64128423
based on what exactly?
>>64128482
In the quote you just posted. I was just assuming, but if I ask about the level back then and now and you answer that at the beginning they were cracks and now their shiet tier is the only conclusion that I can get.
That, or just that whole teams are being sold.
>>64128547
i'm not that anon, but the quote means that foreign teams basically buy pretty much every player, good, meh or horrid ones.
>>64125148
>=1. Champions League
>=1. Premier League
That sounds really shocking to me. Over here, if you ask any supporter to choose between:
1 - his team winning the CL and finishing 15th in the league
2 - his team winning the League and getting out of the CL in semis
I'm sure 99% would choose the first option.
>>64128381
se te olvidó el weeb chairo de Sinaloa que es americanista y postea aquí
>>64123139
Libertadores and CWC are in the same year, so if you even participate in it, it's not a blank year.
>>64129364
this is because shit league
>>64128423
The problem with young talent in argentina right now has a lot of faces.
On one side, a lot of ex players and coaches are complaining about the excess of triumphalism and how that affects young kids. Their argument is that the kids end up with no technique, no sense of the game and focus too much on violent play and side stuff(like fighting with the ref). Of course that is an extrapolation, and not every academy is like that, but I think they have solid arguments, plus they are people who know what they are talking about, not only journalists.
On the other hand, consolidating long term projects in argie football is really hard. It is particularly harsh with teams: managers last a couple months, there is literally no patience to see how the team evolves, and most teams cannot maintain a base of players. They get bought, not only by europeans, but by mexicans, arabs, chinese, or yanks. Clubs over here cannot compete with foreign clubs in terms of salary or, in the case of europe, in terms of prestige. That means that it is really hard for them to grow as a team and in terms of collective play. Keep in mind almost every single player in the NT is playing in other leagues, managers just do not pick players from local football.
The other side of things is that, in europe, they are played mostly in the same position. Or, at least, there is a gigantic amount of argies playing either the 'false nine'-second striker role or the wing role. That mainly hurts our NT, a lot. Not only it is hard for the team to get together and practice, not only the biggest players literally overlap each other, but also we have no prebuild teambase like what Spain has with barcelona. It also hurts the players because, lets face it, not everyone is made for the same role.
That being said, we still have world talents. There are plenty clubs willing to bench local kids to make space for an argie. What really suffers from this is local football and the national team.
>>64131379
>kids end up with no technique, no sense of the game and focus too much on violent play and side stuff(like fighting with the ref)
Are you talking about argentinian or brazilian football?
>consolidating long term projects in argie football is really hard
>and everything you said after
That's the same in Brazil and that's sad as fuck. Coaches are the first to go for whatever niggerish reason.
>>64131483
It's probably the same in brazil(even though you guys also buy our players). The way things are set up in south america works that way.
>>64128356
Who
This tournament winds me up so much. Just get rid of it already. Nobody gives a shit
>>64122063
Riber are shit now, so no.
>>64131379
>The other side of things is that, in europe, they are played mostly in the same position
Well, I understand that kids want to be the next Messi, but once you're grown up and coaches saw your skills, I'm pretty sure many will fit better in different positions.
Isn't there any light? I understand that club myopia but here, for example, we have Espanyol.
Total shit first division team, sacking managers and no future more than just stay there, but has a really solid young developement program (really excelent considering that he has to compete against Barça)
Every year they have to sell some of their best players and just keep raising children and creating talent.
>>64122063
River lost their best players. Had a tough time going through Chapecoense in Sudamerica and was eliminated by Huracan.
Not gonna happen.
In 2006 they got outplayed because Internacional maintained their best players (young Pato, Yarley, Índio, Fernandão) and Ronaldinho had already turned into Beckham -- you can see in that match why Guardiola got rid of him.
>>64129364
It's weird and illogical, but it's true. When Liverpool won the CL but didn't win the title, it was "well done for them, but they're not the best team". Maybe ask a Liverpool fan what they think they'd prefer. English football thinking is very insular.
Just to add to what others have said in this thread about the club world cup, it's about the level of friendly. When Manchester United won the treble (CL, PL, FA cup), they later became the first English team to win the CWC. I don't remember much celebration about it. Sort of like a footnote to their real achievement.
On other matters, why on Earth was River playing the Copa Sudamericana if they were the winners of the Copa Libertadores?
Isn't de Sudamericana the equivalent of the Europa League?
South American football is so fucking confusing.
>>64143631
>Isn't de Sudamericana the equivalent of the Europa League?
In the sense that it's the "smaller" continental competition, not that the requirements for entry are the same.
That and CONMEBOL being ran by corrupt retards.
>>64122124
>tfw I'm afraid of the chinks
extremely hyped for the match.
>>64122751
>w-w-we don't c-care I-I swear
Literally fox and grapes
>>64143631
Until last year clubs were able to play both comepetitions
River won both cups last season
>>64128356
>Argentine league rejects dominate the Mexican league
Nice competition familia
>>64143631
They wanted to create an equivalent but they ended up creating just another Libertadores that is played over one half of the season while Libertadores is played during the other half. That's mainly cause national leagues here still have 2 tournaments per season and a final between the winner of those.
The reason for that is that most major teams lose their players on European summer cause of signings and then they sign players from smaller teams.
Having two continental tournaments per year assures them that they keep most of their players during each tournament, instead of having to sell half their team half way.
It's a retarded ass system from the 90s but the corrupt faggots at conmebol and at the FAs won't change it or look at alternatives.
>>64143950
At least here it changed, you can only qualify for one cup now
>>64143941
>he still doesn't know about Sambueza hidden power level
keep believing in your shitty boring league diego
>>64143851
>>64143910
>>64143950
I see, thanks lads. Anyway it's a complete nonsense.
>>64143982
>shitty
But we dominate the Libertadores
>boring
? Every season it has a different champion
>>64122472
>3-0 puto and against tigres lol you fagot spic
River can win it
