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Rev up those fryers, cause the Winter Meetings start today.

Also, 72 days until pitchers and catchers report.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
http://www.fangraphs.com/
http://www.baseball-reference.com/
http://mlb.mlb.com/home
http://www.springtrainingcountdown.com/
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first for jints
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>>64060959
First for white sox
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A's desu
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life is suffering
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Royals
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Cardinals
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Please tell me the doyers will get keked in the playoffs again ;_;
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Rays
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Ladies and gentlemen your 2016 World Series Champions, The Texas Rangers
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>Getting mad at Canadians everytime they post jays in a /MLB/ general thread
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>>64061079
The Doyers couldn't win one round with Greinke and Kershaw pitching 80% of the time.
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>>64061087
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>>64061087
ONE
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>>64061109
STRIKE
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>>64061130
AWAY
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>>64061150
TWICE
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>>64061157
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I'm here from the future, here is an article about your 2016 World Series Champions, the San Francisco Giants.

http://purelyforsport.com/2014/11/03/the-2016-world-series-re-cap-giants-win-again/
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>>64061150
>>64061157

kekekek
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>>64061181

>Bumgarner’s bionic left arm he used to propel the Giants to the 2014 title was only recently discovered as he started all six games needed for San Francisco to defeat the Joe Maddon-led Chicago Cubs in this year’s NLCS.
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oreos
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>>64061200
>giants
>cusb
>nlcs

forgetting someone?

>some fans will not understand the context of this post (pro-tip: i'm talking about gnats and barve fans)
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>>64061105
>barely won against a team that was practically already eliminated from the playoffs at the end of April and didn't even have its best pitcher
>didn't even get to the WS
>gave away entire farm system for a ALCS exit
kek
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>tfw mets sweep giants in the nlds and kek the cums again
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>>64061264
It would be a pleasure to end the even year meme tbqh
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>>64061283
Mets O's 2016 worlds eries desu senpai
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Dodgers
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>tfw no Nats-M's Worlds Eries
>tfw no Cubs-Indians Worlds Eries
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is he going to be alright?
s-should we do something?
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>>64060988
How do you feel about our new guys?
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>tfw Giants beat the Cardinals in the NLCS yet again
>tfw Giants beat the Rangers in the Eries again after they load the bases in the 9th with no outs and the next 3 batters promptly strike out

Giants confirmed 2016 world champions.
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>>64061331
Uh No. See >>64061087
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>be kershit
>be shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VAKmtGTRac
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JUST
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>>64061356
lel
the ending
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>>64061356

that was quite a by week they had last season

I dont even remember them playing the NLCS
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>>64061376
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Rangers Doyers WS checkem
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Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 21m21 minutes ago
Confirmed: Joakim Soria finalizing 3-year, $25 million deal with Royals as @jcrasnick 1st reported

late night hot stove
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>>64061398
Tigers lose to Giants in 5.
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>>64061398
As a dodger fan from the future and can safely say mets os eries
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>>64061434
if they don't win another world series he's gonna feel awful
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Royals lose To Cardinals in 5
Giants and Cardinals both beat the Rangers, Tigers and Royals in the World Series to win their last three titles
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>Ignoring the get

Shame on you /mlb/
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nth for baseball
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yfw the didgers win the world series
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>>64061765
hey lol i no u
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>>64061327
>our
madson a shit
big shit

pretty hyped on hendriks, never cared for Chavez

yonder "literally who" alonso

>doubront
eh

happy to see Lowrie back in Oakland, but I really hope they don't get rid of Lawrie which is too likely

hope they stay away from kazmir
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>>64062041
>never cared for Jesse Chavez
>hopes they don't get rid of Brett Lawrie

what the actual fuck? Let me guess, your also a huge Jim Johnson fan
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>>64062099
john jimson would have been a godsend last season desu

>caring about some average spic reliever turned worse starter

Lawrie and Lowrie are interchangeable, it's just Lowrie's a crybabby bitch and wants to stick to one position
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Will they choke in the NLCS or NLDS this year?
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>>64062041
>>64062170
More than most other teams I've noticed these guys work best with great chemistry and lawrie is one of the only guys holding that together.

He's also a great dude and loves oakland.
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>>64062304
>doyers making the playoffs without grienke
kek its giants or dbags
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>>64062170
>john jimson would've been a godsend

Oh no he fucking wouldn't have, you double nigger.
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>>64061094
TOP LEL
O
P

L
E
L
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>>64062041
You should be hyped on Hendriks. I have no fucking clue why Shapiro felt the need to ship a 26 year old reliever for a 32 year old. I fucking hated that trade the second I saw it. Other than Cecil Sanchez and Osuna I trusted him in the pen.
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>>64064096
The easiest way to spot a bandwagoner is that they think the 4th reliever is going to stay good after a career year.

If you stick around after this year I will laugh at you when Hendriks has a 4 ERA and spends time in the minors.
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>>64064141
Right. I guess someone who is 6 years older and has had virtually no success his entire career is better. What a fucking scum sucking bandwagoner I am.
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>>64064182
A mediocre 5th starter is more important than a reliever who gets BTFO in any clutch situation
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>>64064141
The easiest way to spot a bandwagoner is that they have a Canadian flag on their post
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>>64064219
>mediocre 5th starter
You're being awfully optimistic on that one. I wouldn't be surprised if he spends most of next year in Buffalo.

>inb4 Estrada was this last year
Literally just luck he turned out well.
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>>64064219
We still have those
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Is Al Avila assembling the next great meme team?
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Hey guys how's everyone enjoying their monday so far?
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Joakim Soria to the Royals. Gosh darnit.
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>>64064774
>Chiris Young and Joakim Soria to the Royals

on cheap deals too

nice
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how good is chapman? And who did the dodger gave away?
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>>64064796
Is Soria worth over 8 a year? I would probably pay him that he's been consistent his entire career.
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>Tigers interested in Brett Lawrie
>Tigers interested in Cespedes
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>tfw Chappy is finally on the team he was born to play for
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>>64061181
Top lel article m8 hahah
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do we have to even play out this season? The Dodgers already won
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>>64064909
>Tigers interested in Cespedes
as long as we aren't sacrificing pitcher money

based illitch
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>>64065242
>>64064909
>Cespedes
Why not Gordon?
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>>64062607
>people actually believe this
>>64062304
NLDS

the team looks more motivated and I'm sure dodgers will pick someone up

besides their main rotation is finally healthy except mccarthy iirc
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>>64064909
>Tigers sign Mark Lowe

>>64065251
idk ask Avila tbhfam?
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How come teams other than the Ramgers suck at signing pitchers? Like they give these pitchers huge as fuck terrible deals.

Meanwhile the Rangers are getting top talent for bargains
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This year the doyers literally eliminated themselves from the postseason by not covering third. How will they give away the postseason next year?
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>>64064909
Looking forward to El Tigres being good again. This meme smallball and collapsing AL West is boring af tbph
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>>64065294
>rags
>OSA x2
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>>64065331
>can only meme when he has nothing to say
k?
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>>64065341
>rags getting top talent
I'm not the only one memeing here.
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>>64065329
Illitch told the press he "would be willing" to step over the luxury tax this season.

It might be happening bros.
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>your team
>other teams you like
>teams you hate
>make a joke about the Philadelphia Phillies
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>>64065350
>Cole Hamels was a bargain
>Yu Darvish was a bargain
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tfw your team is gonna regress and battle for 4rd place in the division
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>>64065363
I thought we were talking about "signature" pitchers here.
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>>64061079
I personally believe because there is nothing enigmatic about the doyers
you are literally like the most bland team in the world, nothing special in defense, offense, speed, etc.
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>>64065356
>fav team
Blow gays
>other teams
Lastros
>teams I hate
Rays, Yanks, Red Sox, Orioles
>joke about Phillies
Come on anon that's not very nice.
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>>64065376
>mfw
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>>64065390
So you are saying David price is a signature pitcher and worth the contract?
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are you guys not gonna post about how the dodgers got fucking chapman or what
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/673885937068285953
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>>64065415
And without giving away corey or urias

they got a steal if the current rumor of giving away from double a prospects is true
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>>64065415
andrew freidmenstien pls go
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>>64065426
>corey or urias
its one year of a closer
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>>64065415
>yfw he gets 10 saves on the ye ar because Kershaw is the only starting pitcher who isn't dogshit.
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>>64065356
>my team
Royals
>Others
Athletics, Orioles, Dbacks, Natnls
>Teams you hate
CWS, Tigers, Doyers, Tardinals, Astros (fans), Giants, Blue Jays (fans).
>make a joke about the phillies
they're fun to watch in spring training if you like watching them get batting donuts stuck on their feet
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>>64065432
And they can give him a qualifying offer at the end of the season if they decide not to extend him/flip him and regain a prospect with a high draft pick. Seems like a steal to me.
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>>64065356
>A's
>White Soxbros are cool, know one in real life
>no h8, just recent rivalries: Angels, anybody else in AL west, Tigers, and Giants
>I really have nothing bad or good to say about Philadelphia except that the A's organization were formed there
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>>64065356
Mariners
Twins, Royals, White Sox, Pirates
Angels, Yankees, Red Sox
Sometimes I imagine how the fictional Jim Halpert would react to how god awful his favorite team the Phillies were this year
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>>64065356
O's
White Sox, Rays, Pirates
Red Sox, Yankees, California sans the A's
I'd rather make fun of the Doyers for wanting Chase Utley
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which /sp/ fan base is worse

Mariners
Orioles
Dodgers
Rangers from back in 2010
Royals
Yankees
Blue Jays
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>>64065723
Blue Jays or Yankees
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>>64065723
dodgers fans talk mad shit but have chocked since 88. I say this as a dodgers fan
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>>64065723
I would probably say the dodgers because of how fucking delusional they are.

>inb4 4 months
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>>64065723
>he didn't bother listing the red sox

baka desu senpai
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>>64065723
>mad at the mariners
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>>64065777
They can't keep getting away with these digits
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>>64065757
>hating the best ganethreads on /sp:
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>>64065755
Delusion?
Lol never, ever post again you ridiculous faggot.
Not ever.
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>>64065821
frogposting and reeing at their shittiness is so le funni
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>>64065832
>bye week
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>>64065723
Most people here most likely weren't around when the Rangers were good. Those fans were on par with the Dodgers now.

>rangers interested in 2015 Cy young winner Joe Kelly
lel
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>>64065723
Dodgers and Giants right now for NL.
Blue Jay and Royals for AL right now.

Prove me wrong.
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>>64065835
assmad baltikuck senpai detected
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>>64065356
White Sox
A's,Yankees,memeiners
Every one else in the AL central,angels, Boston
The Phillies will never win another championship in our lifetime
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how to fix mlb general

Ban all tripfags
Ban all Californian IPs
Ban all non-American IPs
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>>64065891
If only IP addresses could be spoofed...
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>>64065891
Stay mad baby bitch.
Team didn't make the post season?
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>>64065356
>your team
Red Sox
>Other Teams you like
Cubs, A's
>Teams you hate
Yankees, Cardinals, Blow Gays
>Make a joke about the Lillies
Philidelphia is a poor mans Boston
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>>64065395
You're such a band wagoner it hurts
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>Jose Fernandez being shopped to the Dodgers asking for Seager, Urias and Scott Van Slyke

Maybe Van Slyke and Urias for Fernandez, but the Doyers shouldn't get rid of Seager for anything, he's a future MVP
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>>64065904
>no rings
>shit rotation beyond Kershaw
>no 2b
>trash outfielders besides joc
End your life
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>>64065356
>>your team
Angels
>>other teams you like
Dodgers
>>teams you hate
Yankees, Giants, Cardinals
>>make a joke about the Philadelphia Phillies
Their offence
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>>64065927
>implying bandwagoners give a fuck in the offseason
I never understood this logic
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>>64065941
Lol here's your reply.
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>>64065931
I wouldn't even give up Urias for that TJ arm
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>>64065941
joc is fucking shit! he is a first half baby who got exposed and should have been sent down
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>>64065376
>mfw

Lost Price, Lowe, Hawkins and Hendriks and Rogers is pocketing the extra money without a single fuck given. Shareholders are the only ones who will be happy next october
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Kershaw
Fernandez
Iwakama
Ryu
lolwhocares

How do you beat this rotation
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>Braves trade seat at Winter meetings for a pitching prospect and half snack bag of doritos.
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>>64066005
Naw we don't need le glass Cuban elbow. Especially not for future strikeout king Julio Urias.
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Will the Angels do anything this winter meetings
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Will the Dodgers get Cueto?
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>>64066068
Yankees
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>>64065874
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>Dodgers considering Puig for Carrasco
>Now considering Heyward
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>>64065891
>Ban all non-American IPs
W-why?
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>>64066108
That's an awful trade for the Indians.
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>>64066113
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Can Bats and EE demand a trade? Because if I were them I'd want out of Toronto right fucking now. Shapiro and Atkins are prepping for .500 baseball next year and theres no fucking way they arent gone for prospects by June anyways
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>>64066101
I'll definitely be sure to use that post at work tomorrow though.
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>>64066146
>Friend
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>>64065356
>Cubes
>O's, Disastros, Indians
>Cardinals, White Sox, California
>kicking on a city when all of their teams suck dick
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>Ken Rosenthal@Ken_Rosenthal
>Sources: #Mariners talking to #RedSox about trade for starting pitcher. Target is Buchholz or Miley, not clear.

goodbye, Nellie
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>>64065356
O's
Jays, Mest, Who's
Yanks, Gnats
They didn't hang up
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>>64066191
>taking big game wade
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>>64066191
So does the Red Sox now have 8 aces?
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>>64065356
tigers
can't think of a single one
roylols, kike sux, twinks, A's but not really, cards, yankucks and bosux
r-remember when we made a million expensive signings and they got old and we've been fighting off becoming the ring-less lillies ever since :(
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>>64066151
>Canadians suffering through Shapiro
have fun
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>>64066254
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>>64065891
>dfw north american and nothing you can do about it
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>>64066236
If you don't want him, we'll gladly take him.
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>>64066247
>A's but not really
soon.jpg
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Dumpster Diving Dipoto
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>@THEREAL_DV
Hearing #Dodgers didn't give up any minor league pitching in deal for Chapman
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>still 5 months until opening day
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Good deal for decent number 3-4 pitcher

The Cubs will be good next year
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>>64066305
>A'ss
>beating the Tigers
Ha
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Daily reminder the Philadelphia Phillies lost to a Div II College team
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>>64066343
Cahill is not a 3 or a 4.
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>>64066343
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>>64066331
lmao incredible how Friedman keeps finessing the shit out of these desperate GM's
>>64066343
hahaha what? that nigga is a bullpen arm, not a starter.
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>>64066266
You dont know what you got until its gone
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>>64066295
As sad as it sounds he was literally our ace last year. not even memeing
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>>64066358
Kek I forgot about this. Thank you.
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Who would Dipoto even give up for another SP? They have their outfield set and still no 1B. Would it really be Cruz
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>tfw can't afford second-tier free agents

I don't wanna have to trade pitchers :'(
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>dodgers wont sign gallardo
>instead he'll sign with the o's and take them to the eries
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>>64066501
>o's and take them to the eries
10/10 made me reply
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>Tfw AL Central looks like another easy divisional win for the royals.

While I know we can't keep getting away with it all the way to the World series 3 years in a row I'm pretty pumped tbqhymmlbf
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>>64066507
>not being part of the mets o's eries brigade

It's like you like being wrong
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>>64066191
>Buchholz
Isn't he only good when he cheats though?
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>>64066439
>tfw no right handed bat
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>>64066523
tigers coming back tbhfam
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any team NOT the Dodgers are holding multiple L's as of now.

Kenley Jansen + Chapman is the best set-up/close duo in all of Baseball.

1-3 Rotation looks really good and hopefully Maeda comes thru or gallardo.

Damn.

>there are retards on this board right now who actually belive the Mets will ever again make the world series
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>>64066434
Yeah, just trade Cruz man. We got almost his entire contract worth in like one season and he sucks as a DH, which is where he'll play since Dipoto loves his defense.
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>>64066536
This to be honest
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>>64066550
Just have to wait for the post season, then Kershaw is worthless
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>>64066545
You're eras over lah. Royals will win for awhile and then it'll go back to both of them not winning.
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is trading away your teams farm system and having nothing to show for it a the worst feel?

especially when what you had went the best farm system in the league for just money?
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>>64066550
C'mon DG, put your old trip back on
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Last digit confirms how many WS the Dodgers will win in the next 10 years

Suck it, haters
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>>64066151
I tried to warn you. I tried so hard.
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>>64066579
Don't worry, you can look forward to duking it out with riotmore for 3rd place.
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>>64066593
3rd digit confirms how many WS the Dodgers will win in the next 10 years.

Suck it, haters
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>>64066593
Last digit is how many times mets win the eries in the next 3 years
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>>64066571
based pizza man will sacrifice our reputation to the luxury tax god and prevent the era from ending for two more years cap it tbhfam
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>>64066625
METS CONFIRMED TO ONLY WIN 5 SERIES IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS
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Ayy MLB rev up your posts. Quints are coming. Have to get them for your team :^)
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>>64066151
>hes already forgotten AA's 5-year car on free agents nonsense
>he doesnt realize philosophies can change

gotta have hope desu
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Royals win 2016 world series :^)
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Reds got who?
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^almost
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>>64066571
THIS ERA ISNT OVER UNTIL PIZZAMAN SAYS IT IS
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>>64066622
Only other team in the AL East I can think that would be on top beside orilels is the tampa gay gays.

>kekess are lolnomoney
>red sucks signed lel price and have L O L Big SHITTY, L O L Hanley and L O L Fatty McFatterson
>Blow gays are ded
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Lmfao
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>>64066676
I don't know, Tigers fans are pretty wrong about a lot of things.
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>>64066653
>he doesnt realise that was a policy started under Beeston, not AA

It really doesn't matter because that term limit was agreed upon by Rogers and will likely continue to resist any big signings.

You won't see another big long term contract for any player in Toronto for the next decade unless its a lightning in a bottle prospect.

Beeston/AA may have had principles but they still had balls unlike these two dickless wonders. Rebuild is coming.
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>>64066722
that fool doesn't even post anymore p-pls stop
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>>64066664
ook
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>>64066730
Yeah but has the AL east been weaker than it is right now?
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Dammit, I wish the Tribe had money to actually acquire someone decent.
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>>64066763
It doesnt matter when the Jays are a weaker team now than they were in September, no telling how the O's bounce back and the Sox could hurt us
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>>64066622
what is this gif of?
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>>64066763
>rays and sox completely underperformed
>Yankees played out of their asses
The blue jays will only do worse this year
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>>64066806
The Jays are weaker no doubt but idk why you think they'll be so shit. The Orioles could lose Chen and Davis (it's most likely). Tampa has no offense but a very good rotation. The Yankees are getting old and unless they sign someone they won't win the division. Boston will be better but I don't think price alone will win them the division.
Jays have a mediocre as fuck rotation with a great offense.

Tl;Dr
It'll be an interesting season and hard to predict who will take the division.
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>>64066883
O's will get chen or gallardo in place.
Davis walks, trumbo pretty much confirms.
Y'all are lucky because i'm twiddling my thumbs until, while price is already with the red keks.
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how many blue gays fans will be left in April?
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>>64066943
However many o's fans left after May in 2015
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Chicago White Sox
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>>64066943
I'm gone if they lose the home opener.
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>>64066962
we all stayed all season, faggot :^)
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>>64066550
So is Kenley+Chapman just the new Kershaw+Greinke?
Remember when everyone said the Mets had no chance facing Kershaw and Greinke in 4/5 potential NLDS games?
Remember when the doyers lost that series?
Remember when Kershit choked in the opener?

good times
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Will Buehrle get picked up by the cardinals
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WHO /IWAKUMA/ HERE
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>tfw found a royals soria jersey in my basement
>tfw its relevant the day after I find it
Life works in mysterious ways.

Now if only I can wear my T-shirt Tuesday Grenkie again.
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Who /easiestdivisioninbaseball/ here?
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>>64067031
>choked
more like Donnie was supposed to start Gronky for game 1, not Shaw

Shaw had pitched the very last game of the season to get his 300Ks
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>>64067047
Theyll trade carpenter for dickey
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>>64067185
>be kershaw
>pitch on 4 days rest
>be kershit
>fans make excuses for you
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>>64066032
bruh, I'm not too sure about Urias, he had a losing record in both AA and AAA

I'm thinking the doyers should trade him to avoid another Zack Lee
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>>64067102
you guys better treat Rockbear right.
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>Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 11m11 minutes ago
>Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.

Why do I feel like the Red Sox are going to rape what little the M's have left?
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>>64067456
Because it's true.
And worse off you'll bend over and fucking take it.
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>>64067456
Gonna trade King Felix. Gotta trade an ace to get an ace.
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>Edwin sets contract extension deadline for the end of spring training

Good luck Eddie, hope you get paid
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>>64064866
>They acquired left-hander Aroldis Chapman from the Cincinnati Reds for two prospects Monday, a move confirmed by CBS Sports MLB Insider Jon Heyman. Closure of the deal was first reported by Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports. Heyman says the prospects are not Kyle Seager, Julio Urias or Jose De Leon.
>Not Seager or Urias

LGTSS
>deds
>PinkCincy
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>>64067588
No chance in hell they resign him.
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>>64067625
Who wants le parrot man tho?
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>>64067650
You're kidding right? He's been one of the most consistent hitters the past 5 years.
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>>64066991
>Cakes
>Hunter

;_;
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>>64067610
I have a feeling the Athletics are gonna get in on this Reds firesale.
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>>64067699
He hasn't missed a DL visit each season, back and hand issues are a growing concern despite his dingers. Shapiro might already be working to move him somehow
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>>64067588
EN CARNA SEEEE ONNNNNNNNNNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9mCqXIwm5k
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>>64067720
Idk what you're talking about. He's played 128+ games the last 5 seasons. And hasn't played under 100 since 2010.
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>Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m minutes ago
>Source: #Mariners Felix for #RedSox’s Miley, Buchholz and prospect to be named
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>>64067781
lel, good joke had me going for a minute.
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>>64067781
Sure
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>>64067781
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>>64066991
Dirty fucking lie. MMR and Texas Yankees were the only ones left at the end of the season
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>>64067748
Jeremy pls
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>>64067892
shit man, i remember i had to make this GDT because nobody was there
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>Ken Davidoff @KenDavidoff 2m2 minutes ago
>#Mariners have acquired Wade Miley from the #RedSox.

and here we go. What did Dipoto give up?
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Probably traded Zunino lol
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>>64067983
lel
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>>64067983
This probably means the red sox will sign another FA pitcher.
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 40s41 seconds ago
Miley and aro to mariners for carson smith and roenis Elias agreed to
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>>64068076
That's actually not that bad. Stone cold death dealer lost his stuff last season and Elias is either hot or cold, not very consistent.
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Hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahaha
Holy shit

Hahahahahababanahahahahahaha

>carson smith

>miley
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>>64068076
Great, just as the bullpen was looking decent again...
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>>64067930
Lol I remember this. That series was pretty good.
Those two weeks in August wrecked the fan base, basically. But people came back at the end
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RIP meme man
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>>64068162
eh, I think it's alright.

the second half of last season was an utter disaster for Smith. He's been vastly overrated.

Elias hurts though. He showed real flashes.
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