>Leave winning the Premier League to me
Whoops sorry, I posted the wrong picture.
And this is where the myth of best manager ever ends unless he buys Messi.
whoops sorry, i posted the wrong picture again
>>63825904
>And this is where the myth of best manager ever ends
What am I missing here? Does anyone still consider him the best after the trash team he turned Bayern into?
>>63826026
Everyone at r/soccer.
Not only did he fuck up Bayern look at Barca, they are twice a team Pep had and they don't even have prime Xavi, Puyol or Iniesta.
kek desu senpai
>yeah i think you should pass it to messi who then dribbles past 4 defenders
oh pep you're a fucking genius
>>63826220
>>63826043
>implying most people at /r/soccer watch anything beyond the streamable links posted there
>>63826235
>mfw the best tactic Pep used, was when showing the team Gladiator before a clasico
>>63826026
>>63826043
>he le fucked up Bayern
This meme must die. It took him 3 years but Bayern are glorious right now. They are a far superior team to the Bayern that won the CL
>>63826317
>Messi: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ROMA? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED
>>63826337
They look great in a shit league. Barca will rape them and fuck their corpse in the Champions League.
this madman fields 5 forwards in bundesliga matches when they're fit (Coman, Müller, Robben, Lewandowski, Douglas).
He'll never pull this off in big games, it's a waste of training.
>>63825682
He won't last two years. The guy couldn't handle the pressure at Barcelona, imagine how stressed he's going to be when he tries to get Yaya to play centre back.
>>63826043
Timmy Sherwood could coach barca to a CL win with a front trio of Neymar, Messi and Suarez
>Pep didn't do anything, it was all Messi!
Easiest way to spot a clueless retard
>>63826430
But he won the champions league playing Yaya at CB.
>>63826387
They look great everywhere. Barca are the only team only team on the planet that has the ability to beat them and what gives that edge is the arguably the greatest front 3 forwards ever assembled while Bayern is based on Pep's beautiful system, which has evolved since Barca. Lahm and Alaba playing as inverted wingbacks is a masterstroke.
Don't get me started on the stupid shit that (German) Bayern fans on /sp/ post about how Pep doesn't like direct football by the way. I really don't think they watch their team with any measure of analysis at all.
>>63825682
>we will have Pepe x Klopp again
>we will have Pepe x Mou (?!) again
>>63826337
Bayern has ALWAYS been glorious under him until the semi finals of the CL. Every fucking season they have been. And then, when it actually mattered, they got completely trashed because Peps meme tactics didnt work. Happened against Barcelona, happened again Real. And unlike the Bayern of the early 2010's, his also keeps dropping matches against trash level teams even though fielding the first squad. When Bayern lost to some junk team prior to him the coach was playing the B team. Under him they lose against Porto, Donezk, City, Arsenal and so on fielding their best players. Its ridiculous.
Proper analysis of Pep's games against Arsenal:
>5-1
https://vimeo.com/145160777
>2-0
https://vimeo.com/144465556
>>63826470
>we will have Pepe x Mou (?!) again
Maybe if Mou takes the Villa job
>>63826043
Seconding this.
>>63826337
Americans shouldn't be able to comment about "soccer", honestly.
>>63826430
To be fair, Yaya would be a better choice at CB than Mangala or Demichelis at this point
>>63826487
They were not as good as they are this season. During the first two seasons, the Bayern players hadn't fully bought into Pep's ideas. Nevermind the CL-winning / WC-winning hangovers he's had to deal with and the injury of Ribery he couldn't properly cover. Now, Robben and Ribery are almost second thoughts next to Coman and Costa.
This season is the pinnacle of his revolution and the only shame is that might be spoiled by a Barcelona that is also at its peak to spoil it.
>>63826503
1-0 vs 7-1
Friendly reminder Heynckes' Bayern played possession football in every single game of that treble winning season other than 1 game vs Arsenal and the Barcelona tie
Friendly reminder the only teams they could truly dominate were Conte's Juventus in their first CL season and Barcelona who were in utter shambles at that point. They finished level on points with Valencia in the group stage (losing to BATE in the process), were 1 goal away from going out against fucking Arsenal, beat Dortmund on a last minute winner, beat Dortmund in the cup final with some major refball and couldn't beat Dortmund in the league
>>63826437
fucking luis enrique has won the treble with them
>>63826595
After Pep left him the blueprint to success.
>>63826595
So?
>>63826605
make a trip so people can filter you
dont wanna filter entire nation cause some americans are alright
>>63826582
This is true but people have rose tinted glassed for Heynckes.
Pep's Bayern is miles ahead of him.
>>63826575
haha nice old banter that your team didn't apply. Let's see how Brazil x USA have been doing against themselves for the last 10 years?
>>63826618
This please.
>>63826043
>they are twice a team Pep had and they don't even have prime Xavi, Puyol or Iniesta.
No they aren't. It's just seems that way because MSN are so good. Pep's team had a better defence and midfield.
>>63826620
Casuals who only saw the result against Barcelona.
Thing is even though they are certainly miles ahead now it doesn't mean they'll win the Champions because everything has to go right for that to happen, wish he would have never gone there just to hear what excuse they come up instead
>>63826430
Barcelona isn't Real Madrid. Pep left in the right moment for him and the club. Barça could have done so much better had Tito not been kill by throat cancer. Roura and Tata fucked up big time with barça, LE fixed everything.
>>63826605
you mean after rijkaard left the blueprints
>>63826656
True.
You really need a remarkable streak of games to win the CL. Having a good team isn't enough.
Or just have an in-form Messi I guess but that's cheating.
>>63826620
>This is true but people have rose tinted glassed for Heynckes.
>Pep's Bayern is miles ahead of him.
>>63826652
In El Clasico you could see that Barcelona's defense has become solid and organized. Meanwhile every time Bayern concedes a counter-attack (which happens 2-3 times per game against the dwarfs of bundesliga) the whole team enters panic mode, and they concede goals to half-decent sides (see Arsenal or Wolfsburg when they had De Bruyne).
>>63826652
This Bayern team is his masterpiece, honestly. They're playing with 2 (T-W-O) CB's when in possession. They all rotate and play in each other's roles because they are all superb individual footballers. He deserves the CL this season, I sincerely hope something happens to MSN and Barca slow down. It's not fair to his legacy that retards like this
>>63826618
>>63826632
will get the final word
>>63826665
Rijkaard's Barca was nothing compared to Pep's. If you actually lived through those teams, and the shit that went on between Rijkaard's peak and Pep's ascension, you would know that. Guardiola rejuvenated the corpse of Barcelona and changed football forever.
>>63826684
They're far more dominant and have much more depth, only exception being Robben is dead and not the same now and that's a big loss
I'm sure it was cool seeing that result against Barca and basing your huezil opinion on that
>>63826689
>it's an american reply about "soccer"
>>63826697
THIS IS WHAT FABELA NIGGER SOUNDS LIIIKEEEEEEE
>>63826697
7-1
>>63826697
Fuck off m8.
How about you actually make an argument instead of meme arrowing everything you disagree with?
S M H
is Anceloti takes control after he leaves he's going to buttfuck the team.
the likes of Ancelotti, Van Gaal are part of an old generation of managers that got shit to do in the new world order. the likes of Guardiola, Simeone, LE etc are proving them obsolete. Like my grandpa using a PC.
>>63826710
Ok.
>>63826695
>They're far more dominant and have much more depth
Yes that's without saying, not the point thought. Heynckes team was objective and direct, it was the best. No bullshit, no defenders tricking people passing the ball through themselves. Just football.
>>63826697
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ErMHHeNFB9
>>63826721
see
>>63826582
>>63826620
If I could go back in time I would make it so he stayed and have Pep go somewhere else just so I don't have to hear this Heynckes shit
>>63826727
goddamn it just doesn't get old. BASED Ecuador.
>>63826727
i'm white i swear!
>>63826731
read >>63826721
>>63826721
The one game they lost this season, which is the one they were too lax about and the one in which Arsenal had to hang on by the skin of Petr Cech's teeth, is what you post. Meanwhile in the 5-1 demolition, 3 of the 5 goals were the result of direct running.
>>63826736
>i only watched the semis against barcelona
youre an idiot
>discussing football with weeaboos
>being a newfag trying to fit in
bayern under pep look like barcelona and by that i mean deadly as fuck and frustrating to play against and theyre finally doing things like he wants in the midfield which hasnt been the case in the past
>man city to break bank for pep and messi
post yfw messi flops at EPL
>>63826823
They don't feel like like either of Pep's CL-winning Barcas. Thiago is not their pendulum like Xavi was, they rely a lot more on the fullbacks running at defenses. Also Pep's Barca didn't have someone like Alaba playing almost a free role when in possession.
>pep moving to a team with the best squad in the league and the most resources
truly shocking
Do you think he'll get confused when he sees that there are too many good players on opposing teams for him to buy them all?
>>63826845
> best squad in the league
>>63826851
They are the best on paper.
>>63826684
>>63826697
>>63826721
Brazil confirmed for shit-tier
>>63826842
the way they move the ball around is def barca, they never looked this good moving the ball around and they do have more talent overall than pep's barca but thankfully barca have msn so it will be interesting
>>63826833
>implying
>>63826860
Not all brazilians think the same. Actually, almost all of them are pro-Guardiola and think he is absolutely the best manager.
>>63826857
Debatable. None of the PL league squads look like standouts so the original point is moot
>>63826862
Well I'd agree that they play rondo and shift the defense from right to left like Barca did/do. This Bayern team is more direct than Pep's Barca was though.
>>63826892
only because they have more talent upfront than barca did back then who relied solely on messi, pep would have loved to have neymar and suarez while he was there
>>63826870
whose team is better on paper?
>>63826487
>Under him they lose against Porto, Donezk, City, Arsenal
Yeah, it's not like Heynckes lost to Arsenal at home or fucking Basel, getting 5 from Dortmund in Cup final or being keked by Chelshit.
wait, hes leaving?
>>63826862
>more talent overall than peps barca
Defense doesnt make these kind of teams work its purely the midfield. Pique and pedro are proof of this since they were stars of that barcelona. However in the midfield they had iniesta, xavi and busquets and bayern has worse players in all three positions. That is why even though they play very well they cant ever be as good as that team was
>>63826945
hopefully
>>63826945
Speculation, I remember a German saying they reached an agreement to extend which would be announced the 27th and how happy he was about it.
We'll see
>>63826949
>tfw no xavi now
feels bad bros
>>63826949
>implying pep needs a midfield anymore
lmao
>>63826949
Lahm and Alaba basically play as midfielders when in possession, Bayern overloads every channel
>>63826387
Barca will rape any team on the planet. They're the best team in the world and it's not that really that close.
>>63826978
I sometimes watch matches from 09-11, he was so unbelievable its a joy to watch
>>63827004
He does not need one in bundesliga sure but his own barca would rape this bayern. They couldnt hold the ball at all
>>63827040
Im not trying to argue that they are a bad team just that he doesnt have his swiss watch in xavi and that fundamentally reduces the overall quality of their style
This is basically how Bayern operated against Arsenal when they had the ball (and therefore most of the game). Lahm, Xabi, and Thiago formed a midfield line of 3 while Coman, Alaba, Costa, and Muller held an advanced line of 4.
There is a ton of inter-changing going on. Muller and Costa would swap, Alaba and Thiago would swap, Coman and Alaba would swap, Coman and Costa would swap, Lahm would sometimes overlap Muller/Costa and Coman/Alaba would do the same to each other. Then there are instances of Xabi and Javi swapping, Thiago and Xabi swapping, Lahm and Xabi swapping, you get the idea.
>>63827183
Triggered
>>63827199
proofs
>>63827183
Do you believe he could use that no-FB scheme against Barcelona?
>>63827215
Well Thiago (or Alaba or Coman, depending on who is where) and Lahm are basically playing as inverted wingbacks in that line of 3. They just also double as CMs who can play the ball in the box / passes in, which is good since they're all good passers and very smart and players.
Against Barca, I don't know. It depends on who Bayern will have available I suppose. Even if he does deploy it, you might not see it as much as you did against Arsenal because Bayern only play like that in possession. In both legs last year, Bayern couldn't dominate Barcelona in possession: they could only edge them in it. So Bayern might be playing with more traditional fullbacks against Barcelona than not if they can't get a hold of the ball.
>>63826494
Villa will be in Championship by that time though
>>63827274
Problem I see is the transition from that offensive scheme to the default backline of 4 he uses must be extremely fast, considering Lahm and Alaba are all over the midfield. I think it's suicidal tactics against great opposition. He should be using bundesliga as training ground for big games, not to test tactics he won't be able to use.
Pep is pretty good 2bh, idk where all this hate stems from. Also most of his transfers, assuming it was him who demanded them, were amazing.
Coman and Costa are both excellent and weren't even that expensive; Thiago and Martinez are great when not injured and Pep actually wanted to buy Neymar over Götze and look how that turned out.
Last year he was pretty unlucky having to face Barca with a decimated squad. This year should be much closer again.
The neckbeard wankers in here hating on King Pep.
Unanimously praised by everyone involved in football as revolutionary and one of the greatest managers in the game ...
... "nah m8 Pep is shit" -- The hacker know as 4chins
>>63827365
Well every team can be caught on the break. In Bayern's case, they have two lines of very capable players in defense, even if they are not quick, who can smother defenses or perform professional fouls to buy time for their other players to come back. The only real danger, which is how they conceded their only goal from open play against Arsenal, is if they make the wrong pass in midfield and give the ball away deep in their own half.
You have to say, as well, that it is very difficult to get the ball off them and that their offensive power forces saps a lot of energy out defenses. If they get a goal or two in the first half they sap even more than that.
>>63827570
>that it is very difficult to get the ball off them
Yes. But on the rare occasions that they steal the ball cleanly when Bayern is almost completely inside their half, it's very dangerous, their flanks are exposed. It only happens about two or three times in regular bundesliga matches though, and the chances are wasted by bad players.
To leave Barça out, I think even decent pacebabbies like Di Maria or Bale would pose a lot of threat to this system.
I like Pep and Bayern, just wouldn't bet money on them.
>>63826833
to be honest he's been in the zone for like 7 years, nonstop, Ronaldinhio peaked for like 2 years then everything went tranny-tier
>>63827426
>Martinez
Martinez played his first season at bayern under Jupp.
>>63827569
where do you think we are
pep's gonna win the next two CLs and even then people will call him a fraud
is scholes a time traveler?
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/paul-scholes-column-i-hear-manchester-city-are-closing-on-pep-guardiola-for-next-summer-but-id-also-10183496.html
>>63826611
did you see his roma? utter trash
>>63828137
That means what? If you fail at one club you are a failure?
>>63828164
if it's clearly your fault, yeah
he has less problems in his barca hugbox because all the decisions have been made for him in the past and the team sets itself up
>>63828198
The world isn't career mode in a video game. You fail at one club with one set of players at one early stage in your career but that doesn't make you a bad manager nor does it mean you didn't benefit from the experience.
>>63828278
i don't see how enrique has learnt anything from that time
he seems to be still the same clueless blowhard, only with success this time
>>63826697
Kys
>>63827060
Except Celta Vigo, of course.
![netoo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ExF2DDz.jpg "netoo[1].jpg")
>>63827060
except corinthians at home!
>>63826978
Most dominant CM ever
He has the best attack in football currently, if he fails to win the treble he is a fraud this season
Injuries or not
>>63826754
Arsenal could have easily scored more, they were the better team
Away Bayern stomped but Arsenal was missing 3 first teamers
>>63829866
>losing to MSN
>fraud
pick one
>>63829866
>he has the best attack in football
"no"
>>63826043
r/soccer is fucking cancer. It's about 90% big 4 + Real/Barca/Bayern american teenage bandwagon shits.
Constantly "WELL PLAYED #RESPECT BRO" shit to get upvotes
City has abosolutely lost their fucking minds, not because of poop, but because they want messi at literally any cost
>implying he will ever leave qatarlona
>>63830568
He will leave, wouldn't you? Imagine playing with the GOATs Bony, Aguero, albino nigger, Navas etc instead of shitters like Neymar, Suarez Busquets and Iniesta
>>63830346
Barca have the best front 3 sure but adding midfield and depth into the equation Bayern pull ahead
But he only takes over GOAT teams so he doesn't actually have to do anything and there isn't one in the EPLel.
>>63831447
Pep is good with transfers. There might not be a GOAT team in the "E""P"Lel, but Manshitty effectively has unlimited money.
>>63831584
>implying Pep has much to do with transfers at Bayern or barca
>>63831671
Nigga, do you even know who Shitty's Director of Football is?
Poop's homie Txiki Begiristain, that's who.
Let me guess Pep will get City to a CL semi final in his first season and be heralded as a genius because he looks better by comparison than Mancini and Pellegrini
>>63831011
>Barca have the best front 3 sure but adding midfield and depth into the equation Bayern pull ahead
No. Nerman, Suarez, Messi, Iniesta, Rakatic, Sergi Roberto >>>>Any combination of midfielders and attackers that Bayern has
Bayern is only better at defense, and GK (slightly)
>>63831956
>GK (slightly)
>slightly
Kek
>>63831979
I meant defense and GK as a whole,
but for real though Bravo is one of the best GKs in the world right now
>won treble and copa america in same season
>8 saves in the classico
>>63830375
Underrated comment, link this post if u agree
>>63832015
"slightly" is about right.
Noiah might be the best GK, but Bravo is the 2nd or 3rd.
>>63827183
>>63827208
>yfw he pulls this tactic up and gets dismantled again by a single hoof pass from the back
lel
>all these poop circlejerking
>>63831671
I don't know how things work in the city of Bayern, but in Barcelona he had total control over transfers.
This is just the usual ruse managers and players do in order to milk better contracts with their current clubs. I doubt Pep will actually leave Bayern.
