The next real literary “rebels” in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of anti-rebels, born oglers who dare somehow to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles. Who treat of plain old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and hip fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Dead on the page. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naive, anachronistic. Maybe that’ll be the point. Maybe that’s why they’ll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal.” To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows.
tl;dr
>>4311795
That's too bad, it's pretty relevant
Feti can't be dead they were never alive : ^ )
>>4311791
I really fucking hate normies.
I don’t care what colour you are. I don’t care where you’re from. I don’t care what you do for a living. I don’t care what class you are, how you dress, what you smoke or drink or who you know or whom you’ve fucked.
I hate you all. I hate every last living, breathing, snot and feces producing, promiscuously copulating, celebrity obsessed, opinionated one of you. From right here in Toronto right around the planet and back, coast to coast, nationwide and internationally. Every. Single. Last. One. Of. You.
Fuck love. Fuck your insipid grasping at some abstract concept of chemical imbalances and reasonless actions, fumbling around in the crowd trying to find some cinematic supposition for real human interaction.
Fuck lust, too. Fuck you all, from the lowlife dirtbags that think dropping trou and waving the little soldier in a sloppy arc is a pick-up line to the sniveling of the desperate ‘nice guys’ who never get the girl due to a total lack of testosterone grown stones.
Fuck you all, from the crazy, under dressed sluts that judge a persons character by the price of their shirt, right down to the fat chicks that think personality is enough.
Fuck your culture. Fuck your race. Fuck your sense of entitlement. Fuck your sense of uniqueness. Fuck you all for the belief that you have something unique and interesting to contribute. Fuck you for filling the internet with your useless garbage. Fuck your blogs, your wikis, your forums. Fuck your “roasting”. And most of all, fuck whatever you believe. It’s all shit. Fuck it.
Fuck your complaints. Fuck your addictions. Fuck your dependencies. Fuck your pain. Fuck your tears. Fuck selling whatever it is you sell. Fuck your manipulation of others. Fuck movies. Fuck fucking. Fuck everything you own. Fuck your allergies. Fuck your stupid commons sense. Fuck your spelling and fuck your lack of education, or your ignorance, whatever is applicable.
>>4311821
meh
Oversimplifying/thread. yes it will be a breeze
>>4311791
it's true. modern artists are too afraid to take real risks, irony has become comfortable and banal while sincerity has become radical. deep down they cry out for sincerity, which is why they aimlessly challenge and break down "social constructs" in the search for it, without realizing that it's been sitting in front of them the whole time.
irony is funny, the mistake for the last fifty years or so has been taking it so darn seriously. they turned it into a lifestyle instead of a joke, and now they live comical half-lives that are caricatures of the human experience.
this is of course the fruit of existentialism, which erroneously weights the grandiose, megalomaniacal context-in-universe as greater than the context-in-moment. humans have a natural tendency to drift toward the Biggest, the most Ostentatious, a tendency that has led to the current quagmire of popular philosophical thought, as common individuals finds themselves unable to extricate their thinking from the "cosmic horror" of the Big Universe. they have been hoodwinked, led into a banal trap of the mind, and only sincerity - striving - can free them
>>4311821
forcible post, well done.
>>4311883
The funny thing is he wrote this over 20 years ago and nobody has really caught up to it yet
How about just no. And as much as it pains me to say it, this is another thing that's wrong in America today( however with your point of view I'm sure it'll be the new avant garde). Your lateral viewpoint that the back peddlin of cultural progress that foward and out of the box thinking acheived in spite of its growth repressive early protestant culture shows the stagnant state of our "americana". And while you may be comended for taking a risky stance or for sharing your banal opinion as you say, praise of risk for its own sake; especially when there is no greater depth to explore or insight to gain is as vapid as it is just lazy.
>>4311935
Except it's not back peddling, the current state of philosophical thinking is regressive and simplistic, too afraid to take a stand on anything. You are conflating philosophy with science. There is a wealth of insight to be gained, but it's hard to do so when so many are focused on superficial ironies that preclude them from actually experiencing the world around them. There's nothing vapid or lazy about actually caring about things. DFW isn't saying that we need to "regress" and "go backward toward tradition", he's suggesting that perhaps people shouldn't be so afraid of the society they are arrogantly trying to distance themselves from
>>4311948
oh I get it you're saying the world is real
Please try to use paragraph breaks. Your points are hard to focus on when the reader is focusing on keeping in the same spot to read.
sorta agree, although writing a novel at all, a celebrated artform where you stand to gain money and accolades if things go well, or even if they don't, people around you will be v impressed, doesn't make you much of a rebel at all imo.
i'm more impressed by people who work in more idiosyncratic mediums, like net art, junk art, or even video games. shit that 100% won't get you laid and in fact people will be sad for you when you tell them what you do with your life. that takes real courage.
Nice paragraph break, bro.
>>4311818
big dubs
>>4311883
Isn't it ironic some find irony funny some don't, I'm defiantly certain not both sides are equal.
Here's your (you) now take this sh*t the fug off my desk
28 fuck
>>4312043
what
>>4312056
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>>4312879
I CAN'T EAT THIS LOBSTER
Sincerity doesn't equate freedom though. Believe me I checked. Quite the opposite, it throws you into an unsympathetic world to be kicked, pummeled, and ripped off at every turn. The result is a sad shell of a human being trying desperately to keep going when there is ultimately no reason to do so. I've seen it time and time again; and as usual counterculture is doomed from the start.
>>4312933
nice dubs champ
>>4312933
From a literary standpoint you have people who are trying to live in two worlds simultaneously. If you liked Silas marner whoo hoo just wait a couple years. Guaranteed pathetic musings on day to day life.
