So 8gag is apparently shitting itself and is going to lose a ton more users due to a drama involving the new owner and mods. What are your thoughts on this?
>>528440
8gag sucks. this is plebbit-tier drama
who's jim? the cripple in the wheelchair?
>caring at all
>>528454
Jim is the guy who stole 8ch from the cripple basically
>>528440
Great, even more /pol/itical kids who just can't shut up about how they love niggercock on every single board.
>>528454
Jim is the guy who stole 2ch from Hiro and now apparently 8gag from Hotwheels. It should be noted that the latter willingly forfeited ownership in return for Jim's continued hosting and payment of their servers, however.
>>528440
>change of ownership
Jim has owned it for well over a year now. Hotwheels was just the admin.
>>528512
By hosting the servers for it and having control of the domains.
With 8ch it wasn't 'stolen'. Hot Wheels basically gave it away because he has/had no other way of keeping it stable. And it also got him a job.
>>528512
In Hiro's case he stopped paying the bills because 2ch was costing too much money. Instead of taking the site offline and giving Hiro an archive of the site like most web hosts do, Jim decided to commandeer the position as administrator of 2ch and essentially booted Hiro from accessing his own site.
In Hotwheel's case I call it stealing because I believe at this point Jim is violating the agreeement terms that they settled on together. Hotwheels forfeited ownership while being guaranteed Jim wouldn't remove him as admin or influence the direction of 8gag. If he has indeed taken it upon himself to remove other people from their /op/ board as well as ban board owners he dislikes, then it's safe to say he's backpedaled on his oath to absolve himself from the community's direction. Hotwheels can also do nothing about it, since he is simply an admin.
>>528440
>chans as a format are dying
Not really. Altchans are dying. Just like they always have. Altchans have always fluctuated because of a good initial idea tied with terrible mismanagement. As long as 4chan exists altchans will come into existence and fall apart. If 4chan died it'd be time to worry about the decline of western chan style boards.
>8gag voted as best chan
>by 8gag users
>>528526
I don't fully agree with this evaluation. Niche chans do develop modest, yet dedicated user bases and offer discussion and content that's unique to their own communities.
The ones that wind up failing consistently are the 4chan clones, as I call them. They're the ones that boldly claim their intent to usurp 4chan and siphon all of its user base into theirs. They fail because unlike niche chans, they focus on building a massive community before developing a reason for the community to even exist. Their only sense of camaraderie is through trying to fuck over 4chan, which historically doesn't make for a very stable user base. And typically whenever the drama of the day settles down on 4chan, most of the rebels come gravitating back to this site because the 4chan clones only offer shittier content.
>>528440
what happened to the wheelchair faggot?
>>528508
>Jim is the guy who stole 2ch from Hiro
lol
>>528521
>In Hiro's case he stopped paying the bills because 2ch was costing too much money. Instead of taking the site offline and giving Hiro an archive of the site like most web hosts do, Jim decided to commandeer the position as administrator of 2ch and essentially booted Hiro from accessing his own site.
That sounds insane. Can you really do that, just take someones site?
Can it be compared to when rent is not paid on a storage locker and then the content gets taken away and sold off?
>>528583
>taking control of one your client's websites against their will
What other word can you use besides stealing to describe that? It's not something reputable web hosts are supposed to do. One can argue his actions were even illegal.
>>528590
Sure. If you don't have copyright/trademarks/etc on that stuff used there people can do whatever they want. Just like a storage place will sell your shit if you don't pay for your stuff. At the end of the day the person that controls the physical location of these things gets final say in whatever they want.
>>528440
>guy named jim stole 2ch from hiro
>same guy named jim stole 8gag from hotwheels
jesus christ, who is the next guy to get their chan stolen from the guy named Jim
>>528616
>If you don't have copyright/trademarks/etc on that stuff used there people can do whatever they want.
So Hiro didn't have copyright on his own site? Weird.
>>528631
Probably not in the country it's hosted, which is where it matters.
Where's Hiro when you need him? I'd like to get his take on all this shit and for him to go off on Jim
Doesn't affect me; I don't care.
I'm selfish, I guess.
>>528440
Jesus Christ, that site's still kicking?
>>528553
Nice job paraphrasing what moot always said.
He was right on this though.
>>528634
Everything is copyrighted by default worldwide under the Bern Convention.
>>528545
kek I was just coming here to say this
>>528526
I equate this thing with the MMORPG genre of games with 4chan filling the role of WoW.
People think that since 4chan has millions of users that all of them need that many or it's a "failure".
Boards were/are better with smaller populations, as the quality of /v/, /pol/, and /b/ today should signify.
I have a couple other chans I go to and they're not nearly as populous as 4chan, and that's fine.
Just like MMORPGs that want to be the "WoW killer" often burn up spectacularly, the 4chan clones often meet a similar fate.
>>528641
I'd like to see this, too.
Fucking Jim, that piece of shit.
>>528641
He explained his end months ago when he first started as administrator.
He's still mad about Jim taking 2ch from him and he wants to sue eventually.
>>528634
So what happens if Hiro stops paying bills now? Who takes control of 4chan then?
>>528692
If hiro stops paying the bills, the 4chan servers will get removed from the colo facility (effectively shutting down the site) and the 4chan.org domain will expire and will be up for grabs. No individual will "take over" unless hiro gives them deeper access like he likely did with 2ch.
Another one bites the dust
What is the history behind Jim Watkins? I know next to nothing about him other than what's mentioned in the 2channel wikipedia page. Where did he come from and why did he get into messageboards/imageboards?
>>528707
This is the most detailed account of him I've seen so far: http://fusion.net/story/286750/
>>528701
>unless hiro gives them deeper access like he likely did with 2ch.
What does this mean exactly? How did Hiro give Watkins deeper access?
>>528713
He did it so he wouldn't have to keep bothering with legal issues. Hiro's no saint, he had it all coming, it's just that both Hiro and Jim are pieces of shit.
I miss moot.
as long as they don't come back here
>>528713
You cannot take control of an entire domain without access to the registrar. Watkins ended up having control of the domain, so my assumption is that hiro gave them access to the 2ch.net registrar at some point. And IIRC the watkins crew worked on the 2ch software, so taking over that was no problem either.
>>528709
Man, it's annoying to read something with information you want that's behind an author's blatant personal bias.
Thanks for the link though.
>>528709
>http://fusion.net/story/286750/
>“Buy some advertising on 8ch. It’s only 5 dollars” he said, briefly adopting a mock accent and pronouncing his Ls as Rs: “Five dollar! five dollar!”
topkek
>>528440
Tons of drama. I've crosschanned an many of chans and 8[GAG] was pretty good. lainchan a best. (Other then 4chan)
None the less, 8[GAG] has had it's problems.
Infinity Next was a shit show. Hotwheels should have simply fired josh and pursued other software.
>>528526
Forums in general are dieing. It's the new irc death. Forums need more converted normals. The closest thing to it are gamers who sign up for forums for the respectful game.
>>528728
>Man, it's annoying to read something with information you want that's behind an author's blatant personal bias.
Yeah, that's why Kotaku gets so much hate.
>>528743
>lainchan a best. (Other then 4chan)
Lainchan and a few other small chans are better than 4chan honestly the only really good thing about 4chan is its speed.
>>528748
Exactly. 4chan's speed is why it's better for quick discussions, but community-wise, lainchan out-does 4chan.
>>528740
That's hiro's side of the story.
Watkins' side of the story was that his crew found out that hiro was responsible for some bad data collection & leaks and they stepped in to save the people of 2ch or something.
Take it as you will.
>>528740
>>528757
They're both shifty as fuck.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2013/09/17/digital/accidental-leak-ids-over-30000-anonymous-2channel-users/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2013/08/27/2ch-hacked/
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/2ch_Chronicle
http://www.anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/
In the end it's us who lose.
>>528743
I'm just hoping nntpchan or some other sort of decentralized anonymous community ends up taking off to replace traditional (larger) IBs. Centralization and the hierarchical structure that forms around it (singular admin/mods/jannys/etc.) has always been pure aids.
>>528754
I don't visit lainchan very often, but sushichan and uboachan are pretty dank.
>>528762
moot was probably clean.
Now that Hiro is our new admin though, we don't know how safe 4chan passes are.
Well fuck!
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1som4oc
>>528786
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
>>528786
My first instinct was to laugh at them but the whole thing just seems really sad.
Jim is in control of 8ch now and his son Codemonkey his fixing the site in his spare time when he's not in school.
Jim is deleting lots of boards and doing ip range bans on anyone that criticizes him or his actions.
***
You can laugh but we don't really have anywhere to go now. moot became disinterested in 4chan his last year and a handful of mods took over and run the site now. Hiro doesn't give a shit.
I couldn't care less about 8ch, I'm worried about 2ch.
>>528798
They're both owned by Jim Watkins.
>>528799
That's why I said that. As long as he doesn't pull this shit in 2ch (doubtful, he barely knows jap) I don't care.
>>528786
8ch was a terrible investment on Jim's part. The software was never able to sustain what Hotwheels wanted it to and he managed to ex-communicate everyone that worked on the software base.
As soon as Hot Wheels started begging 2ch engineers to fix the site it was bound to end up fully under Jim's thumb.
>>528798
2ch is stable and profitable, it's fine. 8ch is a badly programmed mismanaged pile of shit he's having to devote resources to fixing after being a money sink for over a year.
Why the fuck does this Jim guy keep getting websites? Who is he and where does he get the money to buy them all?
>>528812
It's because he's a mason. Those faggots have alot of control and power.
>>528786
>that Undertale reference at the end
Epic, I love that game.
>>528794
>You can laugh but we don't really have anywhere to go now.
Uh, what's stopping you from going to Endchan? Weren't people already going there?
Hell, you can probably even link it on this site.
https://endchan.xyz/
>>528812
The owner of N.T. Technology, a hosting company. He keeps getting websites because he offers them a good deal. Then ends up taking them over.
>>528820
Wish I had a website to sell him. I could use some money.
>>528822
A good hosting deal. He doesn't pay for them. You're giving him money for him to eventually take over your site.
>>528818
Yes I'm familiar with that dead chan that has three dozen users at the most.
>>528823
Wow, then doesn't that make both Hiro and this 8ch guy incredibly fucking stupid?
>>528822
Imagine it this way:
>have car
>looking for parking at airport
>everything costs $50/day
>some guy has a valet parking lot for $5/day
>you pull in and hand him $5 and your keys
>he drives off with your car
That's Jim.
Everything going on over there seems to me to lend credibility to the idea Hiro was innocent in the 2ch data mining and that Jim was behind it.
>>528825
And how many did 8ch have? *smirk*
>>528829
8ch at least had several thousand users. That's nowhere near the several hundred thousand users that 4chan has but it's still more than the 52 total users that endchan has. Maybe they'll pick up some 8ch users out of this.
>>528831
8ch was a ghost town (and a better place) before the "4chan exodus" happened. Who knows what'll happen now.
>>528831
They're going to pick up all the 8ch users at this rate, is the point. Endchan is the new 8ch. Same format, and better servers, too. Embrace it.
>>528826
Eh. 8ch didn't really have a choice. They went through half a dozen hosts in a couple weeks because no one wants to keep them on their servers. It was either die or try to work with Jim.
>>528836
There's three or four big scavengers hovering over 8ch's corpse. They'll all grow some but none will be even close to 8ch's scale. I think 8/a/ actually set up their own chan.
>>528837
I'm guessing because of all the loli?
>>528828
I don't know who to believe anymore. I'm just gonna think both are pieces of shit.
So it's finally come to this:
http://archive.is/u7ew3
>>528850
>archive.is of a single picture
Wouldn't it be easier to just post it?
>mass banning pedos and /pol/tards
I don't see the problem.
>>528853
No because I keep getting banned for spamming when I post similar images like that.
I got banned for three weeks for posting that image of Hiro and his tranny prostitute. I can't reset my ip because of comcast equipment I have.
You can post it though and we see if you get banned for spamming. Think of it as a test.
>>528858
Nah I'm ok. I didn't know mods cared about Hiro at all.
>>528850
What is with the cuck obsession. Chanology and muh free speech ideology pushing was cancer.
Bring back Snacks.
>>528850
I was wondering why you didn't show the actual post
>>528827
but I don't have a car
>>528858
Hiro is gay?
>tfw was considering making a board on endchan
>now it's going to become endgag
I guess now I should start calling it vegetablechan instead of cripplechan
>>528856
>>mass banning pedos and /pol/tards
>I don't see the problem.
You do see that the site is imploding as a result, right? This whole thing is a cautionary tale for those who would delete 4chan's /pol/.
Be warned.
>>528948
Warning ignored. Delete /pol/
>>528948
I'm okay with that, 4chan is way too big, and it was better when it was a quarter of the size with a quarter of the boards
>>528948
It's only "imploding" because /pol/tards are whiny babies who can't stop crying about "muh free speech".
So where is all these happening? I went to the operate board and it was just some guy spamming that new pokemon porn.
https://archive.is/LyZRF
>>528959
That's hilarious
>>528915
Even if you made a board it would get 0 posters.
On 8ch you still have your separated anri social posters which refuse to crosspost.
Plus 8ch is banned from most places so good luck getting your users.
>>528972
Endchan is not banned though. That's why people should move there. Here's the URL: https://endchan.xyz/
Remember, https://endchan.xyz/
>>528957
>"muh free speech"
>>528978
nice pic of moot friend
>>528915
They were already fucked, at some point a GG board became the most active board there.
>gamergate is still a thing
Holy shit lmao
>>528953
That made me laugh more than I expect it to.
>>528521
What's this /operate/ board?
>>529107
From the way people talk about it, I think it's some kind of metaboard about the site's back end.
>>529111
Ah, like /qa/?
>>529118
I'm too lazy to actually go look, I'm just speculating.
>>528959
>"I understand your frustration"
>that spam pattern
It must be Bui, topkek, that's too hilarious.
Tbh I hope these butthurt kids don't return here
>>529141
I hope they do so we can eventually laugh at them. >:3
>>528521
>Instead of taking the site offline and giving Hiro an archive of the site like most web hosts do, Jim decided to commandeer the position as administrator of 2ch and essentially booted Hiro from accessing his own site.
That isn't remotely accurate. Hiro offloaded legal ownership of the business to his Philippines based holding company, Packet Monster in 2009, as a means to obfuscate legal responsibility (corporations pull this shit all the time). They were paying N.T. Technology hosting service in San Francisco (www.nttec.com) to host the site and couldn't pay the hosting bills. The site domain registration changed to Race Queen, based in America and the Philippines (same as Packet Monster), putting Jim as the legal owner of the business. Basically Hiro was a CEO/board member who fucked up and lost his position because of it. To say that is "essentially booted Hiro from accessing his own site" is complete spin, and you know it.
During the time Hiro was "commandeering" the site, prior to Race Queen, he managed to rack up a shit load of fines for tax evasion and scrapped the site for his clone of the site which basically cost Jim a huge amount in bandwidth. Hiro fucked them over, not the other way around.
Anyway, links for further reading if anyone is interested. (limited due to cap limit)
http://web.archive.org/web/20130826123612/http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20130826/t10014046851000.html
http://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/1404/04/news095.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.jp/2013/08/24/tax_dodgers_n_3808120.html
http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1404/12/news012.html
http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1404/04/news045.html
http://www.yukawanet.com/archives/4660357.html
English
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2014/03/20/digital/who-holds-the-deeds-to-gossip-bulletin-board-2channel/
http://echo-news.net/en/japans-biggest-site-2channel-cyber-attacked-by-hiroyuki
Japanese wikipedia has actually covered all of this really well, however.
>>528454
Jim is the normalfag running the site into the ground at the moment. Hotwheels was the programmer who used to maintain the site and was more or less in full ownership prior to the partnership with 2ch/Race Queen, which is when Jim came on board.
>>528508
>Jim is the guy who stole 2ch from Hiro
Top fucking kek.
>>528545
>153 votes
This is the shit that gets me. Really? All they could get is 153 users to vote?
153 users is a fart in the storm here.
>>528794
>You can laugh but we don't really have anywhere to go now.
Where the fuck do you need to go?
What is it you want?
Do you need a place to post child models? Unironic lizardman conspiracy theories? A platform to whine and blog about how much you hate the world? Fuck off.
Quit being such an edgy teenager.
>>528440
Good.
>>528440
And we should care because...?
>>528856
Hey sunshine, the pic you posted will soon but up for being purged by Jim at this rate, for the same reasoning. If you don't see an issue with that, you're retarded. Also
>banning people based on their sexuality is fine by me
Did you warp yourself directly from the 1330s? Fuck off normalfag.
>>529118
Like /qa/ and the feedback section mixed into one, only staff actually use it for technical feedback and try to fix errors.
>>529175
If you like it so much there, why don't you return.
>>529171
>implications out of my sore pedo ass
LOL
So 8ch is supposedly dying because pedos got banned?
>>529312
Two birds with one stone!
>>529312
Pretty much. Seems HW simply left and gave his account to Jim and because Jim had never used the mod panel before he globally banned all pedos and accidentally banned other people who didn't post anything illegal or barely legal.
As usual it's just /pol/, /intl/ and pedos making a mountain out of a molehill.
Who gives a fuck
>>528440
> 153 votes
Pathetic
/wwe/ gets around that for gamethreads
>>529324
>if that is true….
>then first it will be the /hebe/philes…
>then it will be the nazis
>then you'll be banned for saying "nigger" on /b/, just like 4chan
8chers are fucking ridiculous
>>529146
>The site domain registration changed to Race Queen, based in America and the Philippines (same as Packet Monster), putting Jim as the legal owner of the business.
What does this mean? Did Hiro actually make Watkins the legal owner of 2ch? That sounds like a stupid thing to do unless you can trust the new legal owner.
Like the Simpsons episode when Mr Burns made Homer the new owner of the plant for some legal reason, expecting Homer to be loyal. But then Homer took control and fired Mr Burns.
>>529353
>Like the Simpsons episode when Mr Burns made Homer the new owner of the plant for some legal reason, expecting Homer to be loyal. But then Homer took control and fired Mr Burns.
That's exactly what happened, for similar legal reasons.
Chans are slily anyway.
It's 2016. There's no reason to hide behind pseudonyms or be anonymous anymore.
Even Facebook is wildly popular in Japan. It's no surprise that chans and other sites that use anonymous posting attract the biggest number of losers and criminals.
>>529413
.t Microsoft
Also,
>Chan
It's called imageboard.
>>529413
>Even Facebook is wildly popular in Japan.
What? No. You probably mean Twitter.
>>529413
>There's no reason to hide behind pseudonyms or be anonymous anymore.
No, you just never understood why most people liked anonymity in the first place.
There is no reason to use 4chan if you don't like anonymity. Go use another site
>b-but 4chan has the best memes
Do you honestly think that there's no correlation between not having to take responsibility for your words and producing a high amount of unique content?
Not that that's the main reason people like anonymity anyway.
hotwheels is a good guy
i wish gook moot would hire him on as a developer
at least he would interact with the community instead of what we currently get. this place needs so much more public mod posts.
>>529604
>public mod posts
cringe
>>528831
8ch /v/ actually lost like 700 users recently.
They went from around 3300 to 2600.
>>529700
All pedos and /pol/tards. Sounds good to me.
>>529689
>cringe
back to facebook
i'm laughing about this because they're totally gonna come back here with their heads hanging down in shame
on the other hand they're all cancerous redditors so i dont want them to come back
>>529733
good idea anon. let's kick out the english speakers and let a bunch of people who don't speak english mod the boards.
I just hope they don't come here.
>>529736
The worst part is 8ch isn't even dying, it's just the most cancerous ones (pedos, /pol/ and gamergaters) who are leaving, so we're essentially getting all that trash back.
>>529755
whatever, it's just funny to me that a few months ago they were spamming B-BASED HOTWHEELS here and now look at the result
>>529739
I'd rather trust those guys over the retards we currently having moderating 4chan.
>>529767
The oldest mods are barely doing anything. The problem is the unexperienced new ones.
>>529770
Yeah, the "new" ones that moot brought in from Tumblr and Reddit after he fired all the other mods who criticized his handling of GamerGate. Its moot's fault for these new mods being so shit at their jobs
>>529797
moot did nothing wrong
>>529797
moot was just nipping the shitshow in the bud. no surprise after the kind of attention 4chan attracted by harassing that bitch who did the kickstarter.
>>529802
moot let the stress of The Fappening cloud his judgement on so many issues. His response to GamerGate was beyond horrible. He let himself get manipulated by his then girlfriend from Gawker, Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian both of whom, you guessed it, moot became friends with.
>>529806
moot was an idiotic cuck and you know it. The last few years he no longer gave a shit about 4chan, his passion was gone. moot loyalists should just leave this place and join him at Google, you know the very same company he despised and now works for.
So yeah, not only is moot a massive cuck, but he's a liar and a sellout
>>529810
>Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian both of whom, you guessed it, moot became friends with.
lol
are you a 8gag user who believes anonymous posts on here
>>529811
Again another moot apologist detected. He fucking tweeted about him meeting Anita and Zoe and saying he liked both of them
I'm curious, how has Encyclopedia Dramatica handled all this? The site started going downhill fast after they started shilling massively for 8Gag
>>529824
not even ED likes them, though
go read the article about 8gag and look at the top of the page and history, it was seriously written by a single autist shill
>>529810
>cuck
>crackpot theories
Never change /pol/v/.
>>529822
you better link me to proof
Reminder that if you care about internet drama like this, you are pathetic.
>>529831
There is no proof, apparently an instagram picture of Anita's presentation at XOXO that was taken by moot is enough proof to 8gag that they are friends.
>>528440
I liked a few boards on 8gag (boards that 4chan doesn't have, namely /abdl/) but it's been shitting the bed lately, and I don't think it'll be any great loss. I imagine a lot of users will move to endchan or the like.
>>529884
Reminder that if you are on 4chan you are pathetic by default until you prove otherwise.
>>528953
>>528957
>''muh free speech''
Hello Tumblr.
>>529149
Quit being a fucking cuck,
You are exactly pic related.
>>530588
lmao you're only proving him right
>>530586
Hello.
>>530564
>/monster/ is run by a competent admin who actually interacts with the community
Delusional.
>>528761
> some other sort of decentralized anonymous community ends up taking off to replace traditional (larger) IBs
Does anyone even remember AnonIB anymore
>>530783
>AnonIB boards list
>ctrl+f "anime"
>Phrase not found
It's shit
>>530564
>I remember reading the article about meme magic on there and how they seriously think 8Gag came up with the idea first.
Again, read the history of that page. It's the exact same shill who wrote the 8gag article, he even got banned for it.
Why do alt chans always fail?
I remember when 8gag was created it was touted as a much better alternative than 4chan, look at how that turned out.
I only go there for /aus/, seems to be unaffected by the drama
>>530814
Literally every chan that builds itself as being "better than 4chan" dies the same way.
The special interest ones that don't really try to compete are the ones who live the longest, and are actually fun to read.
>>530815
Its amazing how on /qa/ people whinge about the mods but look at every other chan without the same structure and rule enforcement which has ended up destroying itself.
>>530818
the main reason they die is because there isn't enough traffic to support the website.
if there was an 8gag pass that generated as much revenue as the 4chan pass does then 8gag would never have gone the way of Jim.
8gag moderation really was leagues better than 4chan moderation.
>>530814
Only when they try to become an alternative to 4chan. They're usually made by babies who got banned for being retarded.
>>530820
why don't you stay there if you like it so much
>>530814
Personally when it comes to the question of: "Could we ever one day have a new site to call home other than 4chan?"
I wouldn't even count 90% of the alt imageboards as examples.
Everyone likes to say "they always fail" but almost none of them are really even valid attempts.
Just to clarify, what I mean is this >>530815
The 4chan clones never stood a chance. We shouldn't even count them when thinking about the odds that a new site could take over.
There might be more examples, but 8ch is actually the only one I can even think of right now, because it actually offered something _different_ other than "join us because our mods aren't 4chan's mods lol". It introduced the idea of user created boards.
and look what happened, it did become reasonably large for quite a time. I think their idea ended up being flawed, user created boards isn't what we need, and so many people just came back to 4chan. But it just shows that people are willing to try something new if you make a site that offers something unique.
We just need someone to come along with the right set of features or new take on something and it could be huge.
>>530814
Size, and loss of original vision as the creator moves on.
Some of the "original" alt chans like 420chan and 7chan are still going strong and are arguably better than 4chan (i.e. they have less (useless/unfunny) shitposting and more on-topic content) because the original creators still maintain it and keep it in line with their original vision, usually a vision of something like 4chan in its software and culture, but adding something that it lacks (like how 7chan had a lot of porn boards that 4chan doesn't, 420 is specifically for drugs, etc)
4chan is only bigger because it was the first, and branched off of another internet giant, SomethingAwful (or at least, it was a giant at the time)
>>530814
Small, autistic userbase = very bad imageboard.
Let's be honest here. 4chan is good because of the large normalfag userbase, and because moot wasn't autistic.
>>530834
>Let's be honest here. 4chan is good because of the large normalfag userbase, and because moot wasn't autistic.
4chan has been getting progressively worse as it becomes more popular.
moot was an awful site owner and admin. he hardly ever fixed any issues because he would rather ban the discussion of complaints and the complainers instead of deal with anything.
>>530831
Those two aren't comparable, first people announcing mass shootings and actually following through are rare, plenty of retards would make threats on 4chan but never follow through.
In any case 4chan mods would pass that information to the feds anyway, its a one off occurrence and not like its tolerated by the mods.
On 8gag with /baphomet/ and other boards there's a wide variety if criminal activity
Here's a scenario, what would happen if 4chan disappeared off the internet?
>>530836
>On 8gag with /baphomet/ and other boards there's a wide variety if criminal activity
doxxing isn't illegal though unless you post SS#s and shit.
doxxing is lame and goes against the concept of anonymity so many people here claim to have.
>>530834
>Let's be honest here. 4chan is good because of the large normalfag userbase
newfag leave now
>>529107
Nunu, the person that ran the /operate/ board, was a global moderator, the structure there is admin-gmod-board owner-volunteer, and he would answer questions of users and look into things if he didn't know the answers himself. He was a fairly well liked mod and effectively the public face of 8ch for a while when the admin went underground.
So /operate/ was like /qa/ if a mod visibly and consistently posted on /qa/. Which fits with 8ch's gimmick but wouldn't really sit well with how 4chan functions.
>>530838
I'd love to see what would happen if 4chan one day disappeared for, say, a month.
>>530834
You're probably using "normalfag" to refer to something like people with normal interests, and if so then your post is reasonable.
But that isn't how everyone uses that word. In fact, the only definition of normalfag that I've never seen people argue over is "someone who strives for social success", and under that definition I'd say that normalfags absolutely do not make this site anything but worse. Because those are all the internet activists, people trying to spread memes (and I don't just mean pushing your own jokes when the situation calls for it, I mean actually being crafty and coming up with game plans to turn your crappy content viral), and all people of that sort of nature.
Moot seemed to finally see the forest for the trees when he left and expressed some regret that he didn't push the "hobbyist" side of this site more.
Anyone who uses 4chan for things other than having fun or discussing _hobbies_ is cancer.
>>530850
>Moot seemed to finally see the forest for the trees when he left and expressed some regret that he didn't push the "hobbyist" side of this site more.
If he had done that he wouldn't have gotten that nice job at Google.
>Anyone who uses 4chan for things other than having fun or discussing _hobbies_ is cancer.
I see, you're one of those "4chan isn't for serious discussion, only shitposting"-redditors. Opinion discarded.
>>530856
I see you're one of those people who always interprets people's posts in the worst possible way often completely changing its true meaning, just because he's looking for an internet fight.
Opinion discarded.
>>530814
Because their 'better than 4chan' method is always having visible staff. Which just opens the way for constant criticism, complaining, and staff drama about every little thing. 4chan has all of that, but it's built on a 'deal with it' mentality since there's no other options. Which means it takes an actual event to really stir the pot.
Chans are too filled with contrarians and drama mongers for visible moderation to work. Invisible moderation is the way to go.
Another problem that tends to pop up is bad programming. The idiot with the vision to have so many new and better features than 4chan can't program competently and their software doesn't work on a core level. They overreach.
The ones that survive are usually the niche chans with simple software that have topics 4chan doesn't support, not the '4chan killers'.
>>530836
Anything illegal posted on 8ch met with a ban pretty quick. For the FBI to shut them down they'd have to show that they were actually breaking the law. You don't get shut down for walking the line.
I have a site that I made for the purpose of testing out new features that might solve some of these problems if anyone is interested. You could give feedback on the current feature set or even let me know if you have some interesting ideas, maybe I would implement them so you could see it in action. I don't want to directly link it though, so I'll put it in an expirable pastebin if someone is interested.
>>530880
What a completely vague and informationless post.
>>530881
Is english not your first language?
>>530838
Probably the same as when google reader was killed. Lots of strong alternatives will pop up, but things will never be the same.
>>530880
What features do you propose that can solve "these problems"? Because regardless of what system you implement, if the community or moderators are shit, everything is shit.
>>530884
Apparently it isn't yours. If you want people to be interested describe which problems you're trying to solve and how your features solve them. Your post is "I'm doing this thing which might solve this thing, you want to check it out?" Which says nothing at all.
>>530834
This is quite possibly the most incorrect post I have ever seen. Normalfags bring in outside shit about their lives or social/world events where they are not needed or wanted.
Autists have a dedication to the subject and the time and knowledge to contribute to a board.
Obviously this is different on something like /pol/ that is meant to discuss worldly stuff, but on hobbyist boards normalcy is one of the last things to desire.
>>528719
Hiro was trying to minimize his tax burden which I guess is sort of scummy.
HOWEVER;the japanese legal system has tried to sue him and threatened to shut down 2chan because of all the crazy fuckers that post there.
Basically,the Japanese have this fucked up idea called taking responsibility (sekinin o toru) where someone who is only incidental could be blamed for a crime. The think since hiro owns the site that he somehow is to blame when fucked up kids like Nevada-tan and that bus slasher kid kill people.
>>529755
>pedo are cancerous
Get the fuck out of here, normalshitter.
>>529811
>>529829
You know all of that was public knowledge while it was happening, right? You can ignore the evidence all you want but it's all up there, on public record. The retards make a shit show of it by trying to make fun of the whole gamergate thing but putting their faces out there and mocking it. Gingermod even made fun of /v/ alongside Zoe fucking Quinn after moot censored discussion, by dressing up as a ban hammer and Quin wearing the fucking evidence of her bullshit on a signpost on her chest as though to mock the statements even she on fucking public record made.
It was retarded, spiteful and beyond arrogant how it was handled. Once a goon always a goon, I guess.
>>531107
yup, you're a 8gag user alright
either show me what's on record or go home
>>531108
I've been on 4chan longer than you've use the Internet, retard.
>either show me what's on record or go home
Look it up yourself newfag:
https://gitgud.io/gamergate/gamergateop/blob/master/Current-Happenings/Timeline.md
>>531111
>Look it up yourself newfag
burden of proof is on you, stupid fuck
>>531112
You were the ones making the original claims, retard. You want to learn something, look it up, it's all there. I don't give a shit whether or not you remain a pig ignorant newfag or not, I care more about setting the record straight for anyone else with half a brain out there potentially reading this, and I've done that now.
Get reading or remain arrogantly ignorant yet steadfast in your narrative. It has no bearing on me.
>>531113
>You were the ones making the original claims
what the fuck? can you actually read?
my position this entire time was that 8gag fucking sucks and that "le moot fucks zoe quinn xD" is something they made up from a bunch of chatlogs that can't be proven
>>531113
by the way, defending pedophilia, blaming everything on goons and making mountains out of molehills? that's all 8gag behavior
>>531114
>my position this entire time was that 8gag fucking sucks and that "le moot fucks zoe quinn xD" is something they made up
Hence the positive claim, moron.
You are the one making the claim that the chatlogs are false.
I see you don't give a shit about the truth, so I'm done wasting my time with you.
>>531116
>You are the one making the claim that the chatlogs are false.
yeah and they're the ones making the claim that the chatlogs are true
see what i'm getting at, fucktard?
>>531115
>defending pedophilia
Yeah, I'm not one to try and persecute fucking thought crimes which stem from genetic predispositions.
>blaming everything on goons
Pointing out the actions of goons is not a moral judgement, it's a statement of accord.
>and making mountains out of molehills?
Kek.
>that's all 8gag behavior
Sure thing anon, we haven't been mocking the retardation of goons for over a decade on 4chan or anything.
>>531117
>yeah and they're the ones making the claim that the chatlogs are true
They chatlogs are there. Claiming that they are false if YOUR burden of proof because the default position is that they exist and are chat logs.
>see what i'm getting at, fucktard?
I do, that you don't understand the underlying logical involved in creating a sound or valid argument.
Why are you so fucking afraid of doing research when I've already provided everything you could possibly fucking need as a jump off point? Clearly you have a narrative and don't want to question it. I care about the evidence. Good luck with your pathetic little chan wars, newfag.
>>531119
>Yeah, I'm not one to try and persecute fucking thought crimes which stem from genetic predispositions.
who said we were talking about that? i never said anything about persecuting thoughts, but things like /hebe/
>Kek.
so you do agree then
>Sure thing anon, we haven't been mocking the retardation of goons for over a decade on 4chan or anything.
have you fucking been to /b/ on 8gag, they honestly think goons are out to get them, it's the funniest shit because SA hasn't been relevant since 2006
>the default position is that they exist and are chat logs.
LOL
hey here's a 100% real chatlog:
http://pastebin.com/MpmUydB8
didn't you say you were leaving like 2 times already? go back to 8gag already
>>528440
Who cares?
>>528816
I thought it was a reference to Thumper from South Park.
>>531136
Pedophiles do (aka 8gaggers).
>>531119
>Good luck with your pathetic little chan wars, newfag.
lol hypocrite
>>530880
bring back demochan pls
>>531099
I agree the jap law is fucking stupid, but that's no excuse for shitting on your own users.
>>531151
I gotta admit, as huge as the potential is for abuse, demochan was pretty fucking fun.
>>531180
It was pretty fun. It would be awesome if the potential for proxy abuse could somehow be fixed, but I don't see that happening without accounts of some sort (and then no one would want to use it probably). People need to make more random experimental imageboards tbqh, they're always rad to mess around with
>>531119
>Hey these chat logs are real!
>Yeah, not convinced.
>Prove it newfag, the burden of proof is on you!!!!
So he needs to prove that he's not convinced or something?
>>528440
Is Jim referring to IA, that lazy retard who fucked up the new site or whatever, or someone else entirely? I don't follow 8gag much.
>>531123
I like how the 8gag fanboy isn't replying to this post.
>>531260
I forgot who the guy was that was making the new site but that wasn't Jim.
Jim is the guy who stole 2ch from Hiro and now he stole 8ch from hotwheels.
>>528440
8gag could have been good, but like lain chan the creators screwed it up.
Honestly everyone wants to replicate old chan culture, but how can you without the users?
>>531263
that's because i posted 100% irrefutable IRC logs
>>531272
Is it even possible to recreate old chan culture in the present day? It doesn't seem possible in the modern internet environment where social media and large blogs dominate all communication traffic.
The new admin is CodeMonkeyZ, aka Jimbo Wilkins son. Unlike Jimbo, who will hell and insult anyone who dares to criticize him, monkey seems to legit listen to people and wants to fix that site.
However much like his dad, he equally despises Hiro, so much so he was the one who was leaking images claiming Hiro was dating a tranny.
>>530820
They don't have global mods. Each board has its own admins and mods. Problem is the most popular boards have their share of issues:
-Their /v/ is run by an autistic idiot named Mark who is a nintendrone that no one on there likes
-Their /pol/ is run by an equally idiotic moron who is despised by the user base
-Their /b/ just had every single mod and board volunteer quit because of the cripple getting shitcanned
-Their /a/ is a ghost town pretty much
>>531522
>However much like his dad, he equally despises Hiro
Why would you talk with your father about autistic shit you experience on the internet?
>>528756
I can't stand panchitos talking Panchito.
>>531532
Because Codemonkey probably is a suck up to his daddy. I remember he also tried to link some company that apparently is involved in data mining to Hiro based on their stock rising quite a bit. Then that very same day their stock went down dramatically. It showed that not only does Codemonkey not understand the stock market, but that he's paranoid as fuck about Hiro
>>528829
>*action*
Kill yourself.
>>531569
rofl are you a puella magi?!? because you seem a bit MAD-oka!!! xD lmoao ^_^
>>531563
it's funny because people legitimately believed it
>>531269
>stole
LOL
>they have a /lolis/
>>531522
Codemonkey is cooler than HW tbqh
>>531682
>they have a /lolis/
the fact that they have lolis on their board is a reason why no one wants anything to do with them for more than a week
That's where jim comes in
⌚️ℹ️
>>531685
>That's where jim comes in
What do you mean?
>>531685
Anyone who's honestly upset by lolis to the point that it makes them leave is probably new and probably doesn't contribute much since they're your average Facebook idiot.
>>531719
>MUH THOUGHT CRIMES
>>529171
>Pedophilia is a sexuality
You poor, sad child
i honestly think 8gag is just the modern day anontalk
>>531709
So basically no one wanted anything to do with a website that has loli shit in it
So jim comes in and says "ill take the problem off your hands" and then would later on take the website as his own
>>531744
i love how 8gag pedophiles think in such extremes that they think that if you ban child models, which attracts discussion on how to get CP, that means that the slippery slope is so steep that they'll ban touhou pictures with nothing going on in them
>>531746
Hotwheels left on his own, he was tired of the site and probably wanted to spend the rest of his short life doing something worthwhile.
>>531522
CodeMonkey seems to be a programmer. Which means he doesn't give a fuck about the internal politics of the boards, he just wants to make cool stuff. It's really one of the best kinds of people you can have as the head admin of that kind of board.
>>531530
They have global mods. They're just restricted to deleting illegal content. If you mean they don't have global mods like 4chan's then you're correct.
>>531844
Didn't that guy just say he leaked images of Hiro claiming he was dating a tranny.
and if anonymous people on the internet know how much he "hates hiro just like his dad" I can only imagine he must be fairly vocal about it.
That doesn't sound like the quiet well-intentioned programmer who doesn't into site politics to me.
>>530834
>Let's be honest here. 4chan is good because of the large normalfag userbase, and because moot wasn't autistic.
>people actually believe this
Also 8gag's /v/, /a/, /tv/, /co/, /pol/ (for some topics) and /mu/ are all better then the equivalents here. I'd include /sp/ as well but they've offshored to 76chan so the only reason I come here is for /sp/ gamethreads.
Also people who seriously defend Hiroyuki and Jim are equally retarded, they both fucked their users over on 2channel and both have "listen and believe" arguments when it comes to their stories. I don't care if Jim bans child model bullshit off of 8gag, its basically illegal anyways since it is produced through child abuse. The only thing that will get me to leave are a normalfag invasion and/or a ban on lolis.
>>531522
Ron has been doing a good job so far and seems to care more then HW does nowadays. HW is basically dying at this point and he can't do it anymore.
>>531881
By "fucking over the users", do you mean mining data, the data breach, or something else?
CodeMonekyZ and Jim have exactly the same goals anyway. Unless Jim plans to piss all his money away on cruise trips before he dies, the company will stay in the family.
>>531890
Mainly the datamining, which Hiroyuki also does here (including moot from mid-2015 until he sold the site) since he sells site data to the ad provider. Now I'm even seeing fucking pop-ups on my browser if I access an archived thread without ad blocker and one thread redirected me to some porn page and others showing some pop up about roblox or some shit. That's a fucking scumbag move if you ask me.
Honestly I don't see Jim dying soon unless his Thai ladyboy stabs him in his sleep.
