Its clear now to everyone on here and on most other boards like /d/, /aco/, /v/, and /tv/ that the boiling point between mods and users has now been reached. Except for boards like /a/ and /jp/, the mods have been acting like complete nazi's, banning people who dare to criticize them on any other board besides /qa/, leaving up shitposts for hours without deleting them, leaving up off topic threads without deleting them, and simply not caring at all about the board they're supposed to take of. IRC logs that were leaked earlier this year showed that the mods hate the user base on this site, except for /a/ because the mods seem to legit care about /a/. But other boards such as /d/ have become draconian in nature. Its slowly dying because the mod on /d/ deletes and bans anything he doesn't personally like.
However the users are also at fault here. No one reports shitposting it seems, save for /a/. We have an invasion of people flooding /v/, mostly from Reddit, Neogaf, Facebook, and Tumblr, who are now starting to spill into other boards like /mu/. /v/ is literally ground zero for the infestation now, and nothing has been done to stop it. The users vile attitude towards the mods, while at times justified, is not helping matters either, as this make the mods more and more angry with the user base. One could also say that telling people to go back to Reddit is another cause of issues, as is telling people to "ignore" the shitposts instead of reporting them like they should be doing since the beginning.
>>378314
Either way, both sides are at fault for the way 4chan is now: Mods for hating the user base and becoming Nazi's and lazy asses, and the user base for not trying to fight back hard enough against shitposters. THIS MUST STOP! Nothing will ever get done at this rate. Its getting worse and worse on 4chan now, and I can see why many older users are leaving the site to go elsewhere.
I don't know what the fuck Hiro has been doing, but he needs to start interacting with the userbase and getting to know us and our issues with the boards. He hasn't' said a word since the malware incident, and even when he addressed it the problem still didn't' get fixed, and its still there on the front page. I don't what our future is going to be at this point, I really honestly don't. If nothing gets fixed soon, 2016 could be far, far worse than this year was.
And one more thing to the moderation team: If you're going to view complaints about moderation as "spam" now and ban people for it, why don't you actually start doing your job and delete off topic threads that really are spam
when you have moderation without controls or accountability, then this happens every time and on every discussion site.
other sites have adapted and made the mods and admins accountable by making them public, for starters. 4chan is one of the rare sites where mods identities are unknown to other users. There is no reason for this other than to encourage abuse.
This is what the ancients called "making a mountain out of a molehill"
>>378468
Hiro needs to add some sort of ID system to make the mods visible to the public so we know who they are. But the mods will fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening. They will never allow their "privacy" to be compromised at all
Mods are fucking faggots. Get rid of them hiro; they're killing this site.
Only /a/ is safe, and /a/ is inarguably the worst board on the site
>>380345
>and /a/ is inarguably the worst board on the site
It's only the worst board if low effort bait and shitposting is what you consider fun
>>378314
I report an absurd amount of shitposting, and I rarely, if ever, see anything eventuate from it.
Mods just need to get off their asses and actually moderate. We need a LOT more public bannings. Think about it: when was the last time you actually saw (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Too long ago, that's when.
>>380394
>when was the last time you actually saw (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
If we ignore /a/
>>372973
There was a (USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) on /v/ the other day. If you used the archive you could probably find a few others in the past few days
>>380394
Fuck no. We don't need MORE moderation. We need SMARTER moderation. Mods already ban for shit constantly and uncontrollably, especially in the last year.
Public banning happen constantly too, and they're always horrible cancer. It always results in posters coming around and wooping like chimps. 9 times out of 10 a public banning is used by a mod to garner support for their actions. It results in Something Awful style cults of personality around the mods.
Look at /a/ and how they worship the ground the mods walk on. It's because those mods ban publically so often.
>>380421
Pretty much this. The entire post, this.
Public bannings would be alright if A. the mods did their jobs properly and B. the users didn't go full /b/tard when it happened. Since we know neither of those things can be expected on this site, they'd just make the problem worse.
>>380421
>>Look at /a/ and how they worship the ground the mods walk on. It's because those mods ban publically so often.
/a/nons like the mods because they actually ban the shit /a/nons don't want there, not because of public bans. Fucking every /a/non knows all the publicly banned threads are shit made up by the mods. They don't even hide the fact its made by them. The public bans are also good for reminding people not to do something. They are bad when they are overused, but when done in moderation can actually benefit a board
They are also really good when done as gags, those are always funny
>>378315
>and the user base for not trying to fight back hard enough against shitposters
Try and fight back and you get banned. Have you tried derailing a Naruto thread on /a/ with dubs lately? Incidentally, check 'em.
>>381381
>derailing threads isn't shitposting
you deserved to get b&'d
>>378314
>Except for boards like /a/ and /jp/, the mods have been acting like complete nazi's
That's because /a/ and /jp/ knows how to QC their own boards, the rest of the site allows any kind of trash to post
>>381393
Derailing threads by shitposters is the only way that works to reduce shitposting, especially if the faggot mods don't do anything to remove cancer.
>>381397
Users can't QC shit. /jp/ saw one of the most spectacular quality swan dives in 4chan history in the space of just a few years because of a massive shitposter influx that has only recently cleared up.
>>381400
nice dubs, but that's not how you beat shitposters though. Learn to slide threads.
Public bans with a stated reason should become the norm, but:
>>380421
>It always results in posters coming around and wooping like chimps.
This should be made a bannable offense too. Disabling linking to the banned post would also alleviate the problem.
More nuanced tools for dealing with threads would be nice too, like the ability to lock them and/or turn them invisible. That way the mod could state the reason why thread has to go, and anyone active in the thread would be able to see it. Of course this wouldn't always be needed.
Secret police moderation where people, posts and threads disappear into the night without explanation doesn't work.
Here's what I do to report bad posts:
>report post
>change IP
>report post again
>quote entire post, and say "Reported."
>if the mod doesn't read the original shitpost, they always read a post that says "Reported," because it's an easy ban. It forces them to pay attention to a thread.
It never fails. You can also threaten the mods lives or threaten a terrorist attack to call them to a thread, but remember to quote the post you're trying to get deleted.
Mods don't actually read threads, but they do read reported posts. Just make sure your reported posts get attention.
>>380064
>I understand. why it should be removed.
>Now I want to know the reason why it is here.
Hiro didn't know the mods were adding wordfilters.
>>378314
This is happening at /pol/ too.
4chan is losing its point. Why come here if it's a extremely heavily moderated area where doing literally ANYTHING can result in a mod banning you just because they feel like it? This shit is getting more and more common.
I really wish Hiro would see this, but I'll be surprised if he even knows how to contact the moderators and/or replace them.. The mods are the true new admins of 4chan.
>>378314
/vp/ has had virtually no moderation for a year now, maybe twice a day a mod comes in to clean up porn and /b/ garbage, then ban anyone who reports anything else. The whole board has been a mess, it gets overrun with frog threads and spam all the time and the mods just don't care and you'll get banned if you use the report function on legit shitposts
>>381812
Some anon was on /pol/ samefagging in a ridiculous way. He literally posted leftwing shit, then started replying his own post saying literally "Agreed" "I don't disagree" "Yes" "True". Like four or five posts. Guess he didn't know pol had IDs. I reported it and got warned for false reports. Nice.
>>381737
This is concerning on so many levels, that he didn't fucking know this. What's worse is moot probably never told him anything about the moderation team.
>>381807
He HAD to have seen all the mod threads when he was on here earlier today. The fact that he now knows the mods added in the filters without him knowing proves that. The mods are doing shit behind his back. They do not respect Hiro at all, they are still loyal to moot and still think they're gods. Hiro's only way of fixing this mess is to contact moot and find out how to communicate with the mods. He also needs to find out how to get rid of them
Guarantee you Hiro is pissed off people were doing shit behind his back
>>381815
Mods hate /pol/, you know that as well as anyone they dislike it. Even moot hated /pol/.
>>381882
Be warned right now anon, the mods have deleted these in the past.
>>381891
Well that explains. Only moot and some other mod could handle /v/. None of these other mods can do the job
Hiro REALLY needs to hire mods for /v/ and /tv/ now
>>381889
Normies
>>381891
Pathetic
>>381913
This is ridiculous
>>381915
This is even worse
Screencapping all this, mods will delete that
>>381935
I believe this
>this thread
holy shit
>>381903
Knew this was going to happen. Was only a matter of time
>>381934
Hope you saved them. I managed to save deleted link.
>>381934
Post screencaps please i missed it
Fuck this gay ass shit, the mods are retarded hotpockets and Moot was a wannabe memer from 9gag. Hiroyuki ain't gonna fix shit, the 2ch mods did everything for him. Do you really think Hiro would have lost 2ch if he actually was aware of what went on on his site?
We're fucked, best to jump ship now and move to some small textboard or something.
>>381975
At least his mods did their jobs properly
>>381975
Still, I am beyond worried now Hiro might not be able to solve all this. He knows we need better mods. I just don't know if he knows how to even communicate with the current moderation team
>>378314
mods can't delete things consistently without retards thinking there is a grand conspiracy against them, so the problem gets worse.
niggerspeak can't even be filtered without idiots crying about free speech.
You people really need to start thinking of what you're going to do to make them listen, because they aren't and won't. Making threads on /qa/ is doing absolutely nothing.
>>381967
https://rbt.asia/qa/thread/378314#p381889
>>381986
Hiro comes here though, and we can't complain on any other board or risk getting banned. Hell you can't even link /qa/ without getting banned
>>381978
2ch's mod Codemonkey was responsible for most of the work on the site. The program that the textboards on 2ch use was reprogrammed by the 2ch users since Hiroyuki's version couldn't handle the traffic. Jim was responsible for keeping all the 2ch servers up.
Hiroyuki's greatest contribution was founding 2ch as a refuge for members of Amezou World to go after Amezou shut down (Amezou was a anonymous Japanese board which acted as a replacement for the even earlier Ayashii). Then 2ch blew up in popularity and a shit ton of boards were added. The rest of the work was done by mods and users. Hiro couldn't handle managing all of it and was kicked off by Jim.
Just some 2ch history for you, not gonna write about the data mining stuff since everyone here probably knows about it by now and there is still a lot of controversy about exactly what happened.
>>381990
Complaining isn't doing it either. Hiro is at the moment not equipped to respond to all of these demands that are disorganized. He only comes here, and thus everyone is spamming shit here. What has been accomplished since Hiro got here? /his/, /news/, /trash/, /aco/. Nothing on moderation. And nothing on moderation is going to be done. Specific feedback reports do not work. Nobody is giving a shit about them. All they do is answer a random support related question every few months in order to keep up appearances. The mods cannot be fired because there will be no more mods. You need to do something that will force them to sit the fuck down and that will force Hiro to actually organize some direct communication with us..
All I know is that /d/ used to be a fun place and now it isn't. How is that progress?
>>382007
Mods have been deleting threads that don't break rules all over the site. They don't even bother enforcing rules, they just delete shit they don't like and don't moderate certain boards at all. The whole site is suffering.
>>381999
What do you think we've been trying to do? We need Hiro to communicate with the mods yes, but we also need to bring in new ones and get rid of the ones who aren't doing their fucking jobs. If this doesn't get done, 4chan can never be saved
>>382010
Yeah, figured it out, just don't understand WHY? I mean, /d/ used to be nice. Did it get complained about a lot or something?
>>382010
Let's bring more specifics into here as well.
>Not looking at the content of threads they delete
>Not looking at posts that they delete via report response
>Higher ban time for complaining about the site than for shitposting or nsfw in sfw boards
>When one person is banned, all their posts are deleted, resulting in innocent threads being 404'd
>Report system needs a check box system for the rules being broken so mods stop being retarded and actually know why something is being reported and can look at the context of the situation
>>382010
Expect for /a/. I don't understand why /a/ seemes to get mods who know how their board works, but other boards do not.
>>382019
Probably because /a/ fights back
>>382011
The point is that he will never read this thread, nor will the mods. They aren't going to waste time wading through everything that flooded this board after Hiro's q and a. Hiro only stops by randomly, and hardly anything gets done. I don't dislike him, but he cannot communicate. Something else has to be done to get attention in an organized manner, and /qa/ threads aren't cutting it.
>>382025
So then what can we possibly do?
>>382025
That something usually ends up being futa spam. And we get back to the beginning.
>>382028
I don't have an answer. There's either the option of doing something organized and malicious or brainstorming and somehow convincing Hiro to get a better method of communication than showing up in random threads. He needs to know that there are legit concerns among all the flooding here. You have to think about it from their point of view. A bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about spamming /qa/ with random new board ideas and countless demands. Whatever it is has to be absolutely committed to. The moderation team will not listen to a single voice.
>>382019
Because the mods moot hired were all his buddies from /a/. /a/ was always his main board.
Read the logs. They hate all other boards.
>>382038
Best thing is to do what /a/ does: flood boards with threads until the mods decide to finally say something.
>>382028
People need to self moderate. As long as there's a janitor on, at least on my board, if a significant amount of people report the post, it WILL be deleted, even if it normally wouldn't. At a certain point, buttons light up, and if the assigned mod/janitor doesn't do it, another one will.
>>382059
It's got to be a combination of both users and mods, and right now shitposting is too rampant and the mods hate us
There's gotta be something we can do. We need Hiro to regularly listen to our complaints in one logical place instead of making thread after thread bitching about issues. So far its gotten us either nowhere or has made things worse
>>378314
>Except for boards like /a/ and /jp/, the mods have been acting like complete nazi's
>>382180
You'd need a moderator willing to act as a go-between for users and Hiro.
>>382203
He means they actually have mods that do things.
And when the last thing any of the mods want is for hiro to be able to talk to the userbase so they can keep their cushy "jobs", we know we're truly fucked.
>>382345
But Hiro has to know now that the mods are doing shit behind his back. Knowing that the mods were the ones who implemented the word filters and did so without Hiro knowing shows that
>>382356
When the admin doesn't know something that basically every single 4chan user has known about for the last two months, there's larger problems at work.
>>382360
It's worse than I thought. The mods are doing whatever they can now to fuck up anything Hiro tries to do.
>>382317
If let's say /v/ or /pol/ got moderated similar to /a/ this board would be nothing but whining about nazi mods and muh free speech
>>382364
That's not what I meant, I mean that hiro literally does not use this site. If you actually did use this site you'd have known about the filter in 24 hours. Nobody is stopping him from doing that. He's just... not a 4chan user.
/tv/ is great now
you can't talk about music videos but you can talk about youtube stars and /pol/itics
>>382380
>/tv/ is great for teenagers
ftfy
I agree that the /jp/ mods do their jobs well. Most of the shitposts and spam get deleted.
>>381870
This is /v/'s typical level of conspiracy. Please
K I L L Y O U R S E L F
I L L Y O U R S E L F K
L L Y O U R S E L F K I
L Y O U R S E L F K I L
Y O U R S E L F K I L L
O U R S E L F K I L L Y
U R S E L F K I L L Y O
R S E L F K I L L Y O U
S E L F K I L L Y O U R
E L F K I L L Y O U R S
L F K I L L Y O U R S E
F K I L L Y O U R S E L
before anything gets too serious.
You have absolutely no understanding of how this site typically works, and that is obvious in that you think that the mods have not been running this site almost autonomously for years.
>>382543
Then why did they only go full force faggot once moot left? He still was an effective tard wrangler, which Hiro has thusfar been proven to not be.
>>382579
The mods really went overboard once moot left everyone here has to admit that
Shut the fuck up you underaged crybabies
Godfucking dammit youre annoying. Know why /q/ was deleted the first time? Because spamming shitposting newfags such as yourselves kept crying about getting b& when it was obviously deserved. Fuck off to hotwheelz's newfag-central bootleg site if youre so fucking asshurt about Hoax rumors about mods
or better yet cut your own head off
>>382601
If anything they became more lax you fuckin newfaggot
Kill
yourself
>>382543
K͟ ̡̡͡I ͡L̶ ̷̀L ̧͢Y̴̛ ̴O ̢Ù ̧́͝R̷̡͝ Ś͢ ̴͟E̢̧ ͝L ̀F̢
҉́͜I̷͢ ̀͠L̢͝ ͠͞L̢͠ ̸͠Y̢͘ ̀͏͡O̢͘ ̴̢U ̴̵̢Ŗ S̡ ́͞E̵̢͝ L̸͏ ̧̛͢F̨͡ ͢͜K̵
̡L̵͜͝ ̕L ̕Y̴̧͢ ̵͢O͝ Ų R̵̀̀ ̢S È̸ ͟͠L F̛ ͜Ķ̴ ̛͡Ì̶̕
̸͜҉L̷̡͘ ̡͏Y̸̵̧ ̸Ǫ ̨̨͡U͏ R̕ ͘͞S̵͢ ͜E͟͡͡ ̨̀L̢̧ ͜F҉҉ ̸͜͡K҉ ̸I͜ ̛̕͞L͘͟
̢͟Y͞ ̵̶̕O̵̡ ̷҉U̢̢͘ ̸͡R̴ ̕̕S̕ ҉E͘ ́L͟͠ F̴ ̶̛K ̧I͜ ̸͝L͟͠ ̷̡L̸͠
҉Ò̸̧ ̨͢҉U͟ ̷R̷̢ ͡͠Ś̵ É̀ ̧͞L ̀͠F̶̡͘ K̵̢ ̶̡I ̢͟͞L̵͠ ̨͟͡Ļ ̵Y͟
̴̨̕U ̸̵̕R̀ ̶S͏͘ ̕E ̵͞L ̸̀͘F҉̛͡ ̢K̕͝ ̷̧͢I҉ ̸̡L̨̕ ͞͝L͢ ̧̡͠Y̶ ̸̨͝O͡
́͢R̀ ̵̶̀Ś̷͟ ̧̢E͜͢ ̷L̡͝ ̵̸F̡ ̸K͏҉ ͞I͟ ̶͝L̸͟ ͏̡L̴͡ Y͢ ̡̢͏O͡͞ ̡̛Ú̧
͠S͜͢͡ ͟È ͠L̀ ͢͞͞F̛̀͘ ͝͠K͜͜ I͠ ̸L̀ ͠L͜ ҉̵Y͡ ͝O̸͞҉ ̸͜U̧͘ ̸̷R̴̕
̛͜͟Ę͘͢ ҉̸̨L̕͟ ̶҉F̛͢҉ ̕K҉̢ ́I̶̵̴ ̕͢͞L ̡͝L̶͝ Y̡̧͞ ̵͜O͘ ̡̛U ̛Ŗ̀͢ ̛S
̷̢͝L͏ F ̕͝K̷ ̕I҉ ҉̸L ̧̨͟L̷ ̵̴́Y̡̕ O҉ ͘U͜ ̴̕͝R ̶̶̀S̡̀ ͘E͏
̴F̕͟ K̨ ̵͢I͏̀͘ ̵͝L̛͟ ҉͢͞L̴ Y̸ ̷̢O̴͜ ͞U͞ ͡͝R͏͝ ̀̀͟S̕ ͘E̴҉ ̢̢̕L̴͠
So you can make it more intimidating next time.
>>382608
>If anything they became more lax
>There are people browsing this site right now that weren't around when moot was
>>382603
>Hoax rumors about mods
Once they're proven they're no longer hoaxes OR rumors. Please fuck off to a dictionary.
And /q/ being deleted for a first time in and of itself shows that the mods aren't interested in running the site in any positive sort of manner, they just want their segment of the site to be their own personal subreddit.
Always, always, shifting 100% of the blame to higher powers. Some of it is justified, I'm sure, but really, learn to take a good look at the foundation of 4chan, the userbase. If you have a brain, you'll see how bad many people here really are.
>>382603
>hoax rumors
You mean the IRC chatlogs?
>>382773
Because the users are somehow going through and shitting up boards by deleting things 24/7, right?
You guys should realize that when you are a user, you get to spend time in the threads you do like, ignore the shit you don't care about it, and completely ignore the corners of your board that are utterly retarded.
If you're on staff you don't get to do that. In fact you have to spend basically all your time dealing with your board's worthless garbage. It's not surprising that most of what people talk about in the logs is derogatory.
>>382915
Even the guy who leaked the logs said that he didn't think that the staff hated the users. He did it only because he thought that moot's identity requirement was absolute horseshit.
>>382921
The leaks proved otherwise.
They're too distant from the user base, and they actively hate us. It's time for them to go.
>>382929
>The leaks proved otherwise.
I told you what the person who literally leaked the logs himself, and spent like two years in IRC with them, said himself.
>>382936
Did you actually read the logs?
Who am I kidding, there's a good chance you're just a mod yourself.
>>382946
>Did you actually read the logs?
I browsed through the 8gag /irc/ threads for the boards that I visit the most and didn't find anything I found particularly offensive.
The logs are incredibly long and full of stupid boring shit so I let other people curate it for me.
>>382946
I never gave enough fucks to shift through that amount of garbage, so, anon, you should spoon feed it all for me while you argue with the other anon
Wish the mods were even more strict when it comes to complaining about moderation. Look at this abortion of a thread.
>>382921
So then why are the mods currently acting like Nazi's towards all of us? They've been doing a piss poor job moderating ever since moot left, they refuse to communicate with the username, and theyve been doing things behind Hiro's back. Something is seriously wrong
>>382956
kill yourself modcuck
>>382975
>So then why are the mods currently acting like Nazi's towards all of us?
I thought you wanted moderation like /a/?
And this isn't nearly /a/ level
>They've been doing a piss poor job moderating ever since moot left,
They've done a piss poor job since ever
>they refuse to communicate with the username
Why should they?
>and theyve been doing things behind Hiro's back
The filters were a godsent.
>Something is seriously wrong
Literally your first year on 4chan
>>382995
Gee, I wonder why the mods wouldn't want what was originally supposed to be their confidential information leaked on 4chan.
In fact you should just demand that hiro make the moderation IRC and /j/ publicly viewable. I'm sure he'd get behind this act of transparency.
>>382997
No, /a/ mods would never do what the /d/ and /aco/ mods are doing, not what the /tv/ mods are doing, and specially what /v/ mods are doing. At least the moderation on /a/ works
>>382975
I wish the mods actually acted like Nazis so that you and your retarded family would be gassed.
>>382997
Go away mod
>>383002
/a/ mods would never do what the /d/ and /aco/ mods are doing
Creation of /jp/
>what /v/ mods are doing
Nothing?
>>383010
>Creation of /jp/
They've quietly let like half the /jp/ shit back into /a/.
>>382998
/j/ is viewable and dead and those IRC logs are fake as fuck since the real 4chan irc is also dead as fuck.
>>383012
The moderation IRC and #4chan are not the same channel.
>>383011
>They've quietly let like half the /jp/ shit back into /a/.
Semi-regularly things get purged again.
Should really enforce the anti-general rules again.
Also this took place over a long ass time.
>>383012
>logs are fake
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>383011
The monster girls thread still do quite well, and so does Touhou
>>383010
Mods don't know how to moderate /v/ that's the issue. It's too fucking big and infested it's a nightmare. We need to find a mod or mods who will step up and start acting, dare I say it, like Nazi's. I hate that style of moderation on /d/ and /aco/ since it destroyed /d/,/ yet I feel it can at least do something to fix /v/
>>383085
But that's wrong. Nazi modding always pisses people out and makes enemies of both sides.
Encouraging the mods to chimp out more than they already do is just going to make the place unusable.
>>383098
/v/ is already lost.
The only chance is banning half the populus and strictly enforcing the rules.
>>383098
But handing out public bans for shitposting and deleting threads that are off topic can help. They should be leaving threads like Santa Hat threads instead of SJW flame war threads up
>>383098
/v/'s problem is that its too big and the users are too free and think they can do anything. They only way to fix it is though nazi modding
/v/ is long past the point you can use minor patches to try and fix things
>>383107
That's what the mods think, and that's what got us into this situation in the first place.
>>383114
>>383110
The best thing to do is split /v/ across two or three topics, and let it go from there. There is no conspiracy of /v/ shitposters. It's just that there are too many people given such a broad and popular topic.
There are a large number of weeb boards, yet video games have a much broader appeal than anime. Give /v/ a culture board and an industry board. Things will even out then.
>>383119
>The best thing to do is split /v/ across two or three topics, and let it go from there.
You already had multiple splits,
It only intensified the cancer on both sides with the exception of /vr/ where only /v/ got worse
>There is no conspiracy of /v/ shitposters
Yeah sure
>There are a large number of weeb boards
There is one anime board that also covers Manga
The rest is imagedumps or /jp/
>>383119
>The best thing to do is split /v/ across two or three topics
Again, /v/ is too big. Board splitting constitutes for minor patching and won't work for something so big. The majority of the current /v/ userbase would just use all the new boards
The only board split that could be considered is a vg culture one, as thats what the majority of shitposting comes from. But, even then it wouldn't fix most things and you'd still need to activate nazi-mod
>>382603
Hello mod
>>383123
>You already had multiple splits. It only intensified the cancer on both sides with the exception of /vr/ where only /v/ got worse
There was only one other split besides /vr/, and you're not taking into account cultural shifts.
>>383124
Why exactly would you need a nazimod, other than to get rid of things you don't like?
Nazi modding does not work. It never has. It requires a unanimous decision on what is and what isn't allowed, and you're never going to get that.
There are two major problems people complain about with /v/, besides generic "it's cancer" non-answers: Threads regarding feminism and race in games, and threads like Deep Sea, filename, or Santa Hats being deleted.
The problem with feminism and race in video games is that it's a huge publicized issue within the entire industry. If you're not familiar with the industry it may seem like one person is making threads out of nowhere, but it's something that is discussed within studios and industry discussion forums everywhere. That's something that in turn affects games.
Creating an industry board, and folding those threads, video game press threads, stockholder meetings threads, etc. would remove those from /v/'s posting base. Posters who post those threads as bait would no longer get the attention they seek since the people on /vi/ would be there specifically to discuss those topics.
Likewise, a board for slightly off-topic but fun video game threads would let those threads flourish naturally. /v/ sometimes has threads about hypothetical games that would fit right in here, while leaving /v/ for discussion of actual games.
The mods now have the ability to move threads, too, so there's no longer a need for Nazi modding if a board exists for that topic.
We don't need more moderation focused on killing the board. That's what we have now. We need smarter moderation that's focused on helping the board and cultivating a more positive culture.
The mods cab delete and ban but they can't cure retardation
>>383146
A /vi/ and /vc/ board would be great honestly. It'd even things out and give the gamergaters still around somewhere else to bitch
>>383146
>somebody who actually understands /v/
finally
>>383153
Even though they'll have to live with that condition their whole lives, they get no sympathy from me if they cant' do their jobs right.
>>383234
Do your job of making good posts and reporting bad ones then.
>>383236
/v/ should be doing that, and I'm sure some do, but I guess with so much Shitposters its hard. Really only moot knew how to handle /v/
>>383236
Mods should do their job of deleting bad ones and leaving good ones as well.
Too bad they do the opposite.
>>383241
Proof?
>>383146
What worries me is the ongoing war between Weeaboos and Westacucks. What will stop the Westacucks from just raiding a JRPG or anime like game thread?
>>383243
They deleted the Santa Hat threads while leaving up shit about SJW's and E-Celebs and LOL comics and any thread that triggers them
>>383146
>There was only one other split besides /vr/, and you're not taking into account cultural shifts.
/vg/ and /vp/
>>383248
Santa hats aren't vidya
>>383252
But they've been on /v/ for years and have never been deleted once. They're a tradition, and now the mods are deleting them ever since moot left
>>383146
>We don't need more moderation focused on killing the board. That's what we have now. We need smarter moderation that's focused on helping the board and cultivating a more positive culture.
Sorry but you're delusional
That might have worked 2010 but /v/ is too far gone.
You really need to nuke it before even trying to fix something. As a reference remember /pol/ before and after /pol/ harbor. The difference was massive.
But since nothing additionally was done it degenerated back to it's old state
The fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth
>>383252
Gamergate/SJW/ECeleb threads are even more against the rules and they'll stay around forever, though. Santa hat threads hurt nobody and include actual vidya talk in between photoshops.
>>383252
You must be new here
>>383273
They'll get you even here if you make a thread about /mlp/ or /trash/ and post a pony/trisha if they feel like it. A place where your suppose to be free to discuss moderation and your board will attack you for posting what your board is about.
>>383244
What stops /a/ from raiding Naruto or RBWY threads?
Now, I don't think anime games should be banned, but the precedent is there for shitposting to be a way to get rid of things a board doesn't want, even if it is on topic.
You can't apply a double standard like that and expect people to go along with it.
>>383287
Then either make four brand new /v/'s: Eastern /v/, Western /v/, Culture /v/, and Industry /v/
>>383255
I think you're the one who is delusional here. You're letting your blind uninformed hatred for a board cloud your judgement.
/pol/ harbor is exactly what you're asking for. And as you saw, it did not work. Likewise, having mods sit and police what people can and can't talk about while going against the will of the board, like they're already doing, is only going to breed more contempt and chase more people off.
People wonder why /a/ is always defending the mods while every other board hates them. This is why. The mods are willing to work with /a/, yet always look to punish the other boards.
>>383146
I'm screencapping this for the future, and might make a thread later about this as well.
>>383301
>pony image
Enjoy your ban anon sorry to say, though you are absolutely right, the mods are deleting things they simply don't like anymore, specially on /v/ and /tv/. the two biggest culprits for this
>>383287
>What stops /a/ from raiding RBWY threads?
Nothing.
I think they even got it banned though I'm not sure on that.
>>383298
>/pol/ harbor is exactly what you're asking for.
Exactly
>And as you saw, it did not work.
It did.
Afterwards nothing in regards to moderation got changed though which is why they're back at square zero
>and chase more people off.
I fail to see the problem
4chan in total and /v/ specially are too big
>>383301
Get banned horsefucker
>>383293
Why would you make an Eastern and Western /v/, while also not splitting /a/ into a moe and non-moe board?
Just as there is no rule against Naruto on /a/, there should be no rule against Japanese games on /v/. At the same time you can't expect everyone to like the same games as you.
The real issue is how those shitposts are dealt with- the mods should be deleting them. On both boards. The problem is that you have one board teaching the others that shitposting things you don't like is "self moderating" rather than shitposting. It's enforcing bad behavior.
>>382918
Ask yourself why something was deleted before complaining about it. Look at the rules and see which ones where broken, and then put some real thought into why that rule might be in place. Users are shitting up boards with what they post. Users far outnumber the moderation team, and so they represent how the world sees 4chan (a garbage can). 4chan is as bad as the userbase, and the mods are a bit responsible as well. After all, they're the ones that even make it so the site isn't pulled down within a week due to CP. A bit of respect should be shown to them if you care about 4chan at all. I'm sure they try, but sometimes I wonder if they're always trying in the right way.
>>383309
>The problem is that you have one board teaching the others that shitposting things you don't like is "self moderating" rather than shitposting. It's enforcing bad behavior.
It works though
>>383301
Watch this get banned when its not offensive in anyway yet countless meme frog threads go untouched.
>>383320
Does any board besides /a/ even delete frogposts?
>>383305
>What stops /a/ from raiding RBWY threads?
>Nothing. I think they even got it banned though I'm not sure on that.
Exactly. /v/ users shitposting anime game threads is the same thing. It shouldn't be allowed, and it shouldn't be encouraged on any board.
>And as you saw, it did not work.
>It did.
That is a goddamn bold statement considering all the complaints about /pol/ 24/7
Just like /v/, the issue with /pol/ is that many users have a hard time understanding that there is no secret cabal of posters looking to infect other boards like Red State vampires.
You see /pol/ (and /v/) all over 4chan because /pol/ is on 4chan, and is populated by 4channers. It's many of the same users as the rest of the board, just given a different topic.
>I fail to see the problem
>4chan in total and /v/ specially are too big
"Secret club" thinking has never gotten us anywhere. It's asinine and childish.
When people say "there's too many people," what they're actually saying is "there's too many people who aren't like me." Quite frankly it's NeoGaf/SomethingAwful thinking.
>>383316
I can't even go on /v/ anymore its so horribly bad. And its so bad because its THE most popular and used board on 4chan, even more popular than /b/ is. It could explain why so many people shitpost on there now. I just use that other /v/ now
>>383317
Its not. It made /v/ worse. People need to understand that they need to use the report feature more often and spam it to death on threads and posts that are clearly off topic and clearly nothing but shitposting. It seems to work for /a/ quite well. But then again /a/ has decent moderation while /v/ has none. The sad thing is, only moot really knew how to moderate /v/ in the end. Seriously it was him and one other mod that did the work. With moot gone /v/ fell into chaos.
>>383309
>Why would you make an Eastern and Western /v/, while also not splitting /a/ into a moe and non-moe board?
Because moe and non-moe threads don't get raided constantly by shitposting, nor is any moe fan called a pedophile all the time, and if they are those people are banned and their posts deleted on /a/. On /v/ its literally Westacucks raiding Weeaboo threads and derailing them because it triggers them. And most of those Westacucks are fresh off the boat and are most likely underage b&.
>>383317
Nobody's saying it doesn't.
>>383315
That's all well and good, except more and more we're seeing bans and deletions handed out that are against the overall will of the community.
"Yeah but there's more of you" is a non-answer. All that means is that individual users are less culpable for the actions of the community as a whole, and moderators should be held to a much higher standard, as their judgements affect many more people.
Moderators rarely participate in the communities they moderate, as evidenced by their rash and unpopular judgements.
There is a very big difference between wiping Santa Hat threads around Christmas and other community interactions, and deleting child pornography. Don't try to justify one with the other.
>>383323
>Exactly. /v/ users shitposting anime game threads is the same thing. It shouldn't be allowed, and it shouldn't be encouraged on any board.
Oh so constant Fallout 4 threads, Undertale threads, and Call of Duty threads are TOTALLY ok in your book right? Face it, 4chan was founded by anime fans for anime fans. Things might have changed, but anime video games are still video games, get used to it or go to r/gaming. I hate to bring Reddit up, but seriously if you hate anime games SO much just go there.
As for /pol/, they're not the boogyman many people make them out to be. /his/ went to shit because people were so scared /pol/ would turn the board into /pol/ but with history. Now its basically /leftypol/.
>When people say "there's too many people," what they're actually saying is "there's too many people who aren't like me." Quite frankly it's NeoGaf/SomethingAwful thinking.
The problem isn't too many people, its too many shitposters that don't either follow the rules nor care about 4chan culture and history. To them its just a shitposting board or in their terminology, "funposting"
>>383328
Don't forget the interracial porn threads on /tv/ that stay up for hours at a time. Those are totally ok according to the mods. The mods should be more responsible and be held to a higher standard, but they seem to either hate the community because the community hates them, or they just don't care anymore and want to piss us off, which they seem to be doing ever since Hiro took power. I mean the /aco/ and /d/ debacle, /his/ becoming /pol/ for liberals, /news/ being useless, mods adding in word filters without even fucking telling Hiro what they added. Only good thing was /trash/, because at least that lets /mlp/ post their pony porn their, and lets the RP faggots play their games in peace
>>383330
But Hiro is also at fault here to, because he has shown he is very naive about a lot of things on here. He needs to know the community more, and people need to tell him that more often that he needs to get to know us and find out more about what we're so pissed about. He knows by now we hate the mods, he's knows about that.
I just don't think he knows how to even get in touch with them, probably because moot didn't tell him any of that shit
>>383330
But /trash/ is slowly dying. Its getting less and less posts. An nobody new is going to know it exists after "/trash/ added" is removed from the news. Plus even in /trash/ pony is sometimes getting deleted which has gotten more frequent and might get more so.
>>383325
>Because moe and non-moe threads don't get raided constantly by shitposting, nor is any moe fan called a pedophile all the time, and if they are those people are banned and their posts deleted on /a/. On /v/ its literally Westacucks raiding Weeaboo threads and derailing them because it triggers them. And most of those Westacucks are fresh off the boat and are most likely underage b&.
That's a valid complaint, but now look at Naruto or other shounen anime threads, and how posters raid those threads and derail them because it triggers them, and how those posters are called "/v/ermin" or "manime watchers" or "Cowboy Bebop watchers" or "/co/."
Again, I'm not saying that shitposting these threads on /v/ is good. I'm saying that the root cause of these issues need to be addressed. The fault lies with the shitposters, and the mods who permit them to go unchecked.
It isn't just anime threads that get this treatment- look at Sonic or Undertale threads. A West/East split will never cure all shitposting. It'll only serve to divide the community along arbitrary boundaries. For instance, I guarantee you that within a week a Japanese /v/ would be filled with posts about Metal Gear and you'd have people demanding it be banned like what /a/ calls "manime" threads because it's "too western" and "attracts newfags."
Fix shitposting if shitposting is a problem. Don't encourage tribalistic behavior.
>>383334
Also its flat out stupid to move SFW threads to a NSFW board without notice. You shouldn't punish people for posting nsfw in a nsfw board. We at /trash/ didn't move those SFW threads there and we might not even know it was from a SFW board.
If we post a nsfw image in a moved to /trash/ once sfw thread. Its not our fault but poor planning on the system.
Think of it this way You move a /v/ thread to /pol/ and then delete posts when someone says something political or posts a trump image.
>>383316
>it surpassed /b/ as the worst board on the site.
Unfortunately, that rings true to me.
>>383328
>will of the community
You should know well enough that the will of the /v/ userbase is to turn it into an actual /b/ with video games, a place that you can't even discuss anything properly for more than 5 minutes.
>Moderators rarely participate in the communities they moderate
Something tells me this isn't true... Anyway, who's to say that the mods don't take part in the community when they probably just post as normal and decide to not bring moderation related drama everywhere they go? If they become too prominent, they won't be able to enjoy the boards they enjoy because they would be too focused on being a mod, and not just posting what they enjoy. That's how I see it.
Santa hat threads might be fine on their own, but they also encourage threads that are vaguely related to video games, and again from those threads stems threads that look like video game threads when they really aren't. If you want to fix /v/, then you need to understand where the problems actually start. Like spraying weed killer on gravel before the weeds can grow, so then you don't have to kill and pull them later. Kill it before it spreads and turns into something truly awful. If you're going to deal out justice, then the only fair way to go about it is blindly sticking to the rules. Rules that are there for a reason, and you know the reason why they're there. Always remember that if /v/ does get it's way, it will become a catalyst for all of 4chan to become unbearable. /v/ is one of the last boards that should get its way. Stop defending "culture" on 4chan. It's proven time and time again to be synonymous with "cancer".
>>383343
No. Sometimes if threads get moved to trash and a pony is posted in the moved threads they can be deleted. The person posting pony wasn't flooding and not breaking any rules. But can still have those posts removed.
>>383329
>Oh so constant Fallout 4 threads, Undertale threads, and Call of Duty threads are TOTALLY ok in your book right? Face it, 4chan was founded by anime fans for anime fans. Things might have changed, but anime video games are still video games, get used to it or go to r/gaming. I hate to bring Reddit up, but seriously if you hate anime games SO much just go there.
You need to fucking calm down. I explicitly said that shitposting anime threads is a BAD thing and should not be encouraged.
This is the exact kind of persecution complex that leads people to demand hugbox boards like a Weeb /v/.
If you want to know why people shitpost those threads, a lot of that is due to people with your attitude. On both sides of the argument.
Everyone you don't like is an outsider who doesn't belong on YOUR board.
>As for /pol/, they're not the boogyman many people make them out to be. /his/ went to shit because people were so scared /pol/ would turn the board into /pol/ but with history. Now its basically /leftypol/.
This is absolutely true though, and it makes a good point about how fear of outsiders is encouraging us to destroy the boards we actually use.
>The problem isn't too many people, its too many shitposters that don't either follow the rules nor care about 4chan culture and history. To them its just a shitposting board or in their terminology, "funposting"
Ironically, "funposting" is an old SomethingAwful meme.
Board culture will always change and evolve, but it's the users responsibility to steer that culture, and it is the mods' job to facilitate that. Currently, that's not happening.
/trash/ just got 2 starwars threads who aren't really off topic but just shit posting. Trash is suppose to be for off topic threads, but really what we get a lot of the time is 100-300+ sized threads where 1-2 people are all that's left shitposting to keep them alive.
So instead of those threads getting deleted they hit /trash/ and Auto die after 1-10 posted like WE TRASH! Thanks mods!, ect.
I've been on trash since almost the start and 90% of the time threads moved to trash instantly die after hitting trash. The few that survive for a bit usually turn into porn. We had an anime one yesterday that after hitting trash became anime porn.
If threads are dead please stop sending them to trash. We are for off topic not a thread graveyard. Since a lot of threads sent to trash are already 300+ posts and /trash/ doesn't have a 500 post limit like /mlp/, threads sent to trash have to just die anyway.
There are mods on /TV/? About time.
>>383355
>90% of the time threads moved to trash instantly die after hitting trash.
I think that's the point. I think getting sent to /trash/ is supposed to be a huge insult to the people posting in any thread sent there.
>Shit thread is sent to /trash/
>It dies slowly.
>A big "fuck you" to the people that want such a bad thread at all.
It's called /trash/. The name alone should tell you what the board is. You throw garbage in the trash and try to not think about it anymore. It goes there to be sent far away so it doesn't stink your entire house up.
/trash/, is trash. Stop thinking that it's any more than that.
>>383365
See for yourself. Both were dead the second they hit /trash/. And its obvious both were just shit posting before they got moved.
>>>/trash/583826
>>>/trash/583519
>>383381
>off-topic board
That's /b/ you're thinking of. Have you ever wondered why ponies are allowed on /trash/ and not /b/?
>>383374
How is it an insult? Most threads once moved to /trash/ the OP is long since gone. The remaining shitposters get to know they accomplished their mission of destroying the thread and leave to destroy more.
The only negative is to /trash/ because we get another thread to ignore since its pointless for us to post in those dead threads.
>>383385
"/trash/ - Off-Topic"
Read it dude. That's on trash's board title. Its not "Thread graveyard" or "Shitposter's hell".
>>383390
that's what mods are using it for, deal with it
Its real simple
/B/ is off topic with loli
/Trash/ is off topic with ponies.
>>383392
Actually so far /trash/ has worked for those /mlp/ who can finally post their porn again, the Hunger Game guys who got ran off /b/, went to cripplechan, and finally came back, and the furries who can post their porn in peace
>>383399
Exactly. Where do you put worthless things you no longer want or never wanted to begin with?
>>383399
It only works atm while its in the new and some people have been advertising it in other boards. /mlp/ threads never get moved to /trash/ EVER or do furry /b/ threads. All that gets moved on average is /v/ and not even /v/ furry threads.
>>383325
>It seems to work for /a/ quite well
That's what I was refering to
>When people say "there's too many people," what they're actually saying is "there's too many people who aren't like me." Quite frankly it's NeoGaf/SomethingAwful thinking.
I'll be honest.
Everyone who doesn't have /a/ or /tg/ as mainboard could fuck off for all I care.
And they sure as hell should either adapt or stay out of those boards
>>383407
>for threads that don't belong
I see that you now understand.
A lot of people on 4chan don't like furries or ponies. /trash/ needs traffic. Non-shitposting pony/furry threads should just be moved to /trash/ instead of outright deleted.
If and undertale or any anthro based game thread on /v/ gets too furry it should be sent /trash/ too unless its one shit poster trying to destroy or flood that thread.
>>383415
When furry threads like on /v/ are allowed to get too big they start claiming they need a board all their own like how pokeman got one.
Soon 4chan might end up with /under/ for undertail if its allowed to grow too large on /v/.
>>383374
For trash to serve it's purpose people actually have to be willing to use /trash/, it achieves absolutely nothing if people just remake the thread in /v/ instead of discussing where it's "meant to be discussed" (read: the garbage).
>>383334
Only thing I can see that would really kill /trash/ for good is making an /rp/ board. The Hunger Game guys aren't going anywhere because they hated the moderation on cripplechan. They all came from /b/ at one point
So how long do you give /trash/ before nobody posts there anymore?
>>383447
Not long if /hung/ gets made, Trisha possum can't be posted anywhere outside trash even /qa/, /trash/ is removed from news and never added to the board list.
>>383456
IF it gets made. I'm not sure if Hiro is going to do it. He'd have to ask the RP guys on /trash/ if they want it or not
>>383374
Hiro literally said that /trash/ is for threads that are good but not on topic
>>383391
As usual, the mods are violating Hiro's intent.
Hence this thread.
>>383462
Go there. Find some good threads to show us, and compare the number of good threads to the number of bad threads.
>>383462
Dead threads with 1-2 shitposters left aren't "good". Good threads are where their are still active posters but not on topic to the board.
But the threads we get sent are nearly always dead and should have just been deleted or left to die instead of moved.
>>>/trash/587452
This is a better example. Its a sexual thread disguised as a /v/ thread.
>>383465
>>383466
https://desustorage.org/qa/thread/333029/#q333608
>Before /trash/, all of off-topic thread were deleted.
>We think off-topic doesn't mean valueless.
>Some off-topic threads are worth to survive somewhere.
The fact that the mods are misusing their powers as usual has no bearing on the situation. The fact of the matter is that this is what /trash/ exists for.
>>383472
/trash/ would be a good place to send /a/'s "x is cute! CUTE!" threads.
>>383475
So, /trash/ is for trash. Good to know.
>>383479
Work on your reading comprehension, mod.
>>383481
/trash/ is the garbage of every other board. /trash/, is for trash.
>>383482
Well, I'm glad you think you know better than the man who created the board and then explained his reason for creating said board in plain Engrish.
>>383146
>Nazi modding does not work. It never has. It requires a unanimous decision on what is and what isn't allowed, and you're never going to get that.
Except, there already is. It's called the fucking rules and they are pretty simple. Is it video games? Its fine. Is it not video games? It fucking goes. If its 'video games', is it actually quality and not just repeated garbage? Its stays. Its not? It goes
>>383287
>What stops /a/ from raiding Naruto or RBWY threads?
The mods. You still get banned for it, but the difference is /a/ does it to improve board quality, /v/ermin raiding western or eastern threads do it because they don't like it
>>383684
>It's called the fucking rules and they are pretty simple.
Some rules are hard to enforce without generating a great big shitstorm that ends in either 20x work for the staff or rangebans all around.
>/v/ermin raiding western or eastern threads do it because they don't like it
It's almost like getting rid of fans you don't like supposedly improves the board in the minds of the people doing trying to do it.
>>383687
>Some rules are hard to enforce without generating a great big shitstorm that ends in either 20x work for the staff or rangebans all around.
Not in /v/s case, its pretty fucking simple. It's nothing more than is it video games or not without any mental gymnastics. The only reason it'd explode like you're suggesting is because the modern userbase thinks /v/ is /b/2.0 for funposting. Which is what will probably happen. So, how do you fix it? Jamming up a fucking announcement to remind anons to report any /v/ermin that leaks out onto any other board. Simple. It then becomes a case of how long shitposters feel the need to constantly shitpost on /v/ before they give up
Nazi modding is nothing more than enforcing the rules as they are and removing anything only 'loosely' related, with the mods constantly scouring the board themselves instead of just relying on reports. Its simple shit really, and /v/s content and rules are even fucking simplier
>It's almost like getting rid of fans you don't like supposedly improves the board in the minds of the people doing trying to do it.
There is still a difference. /a/ doesn't want Naruto and rwby because it brings in idiots to post who spread out all over the board and actually lower board quality and ask stupid questions. /v/ermin are against eastern games because they don't like the games and as a result don't like the userbase so they shitpost them. Easternfags then proceed to shitpost all the other threads in retaliation.
They seem similar at first, but there is still a different. One has a clear goal of improving the board and the other has just blind hatred for something and decide it must go for no rational reason
>>383702
I'm going to have to point you to /tg/, which was killed by nazi modding.
>There is still a difference. /a/ doesn't want Naruto and rwby because it brings in idiots to post who spread out all over the board and actually lower board quality and ask stupid questions. /v/ermin are against eastern games because they don't like the games and as a result don't like the userbase so they shitpost them. Easternfags then proceed to shitpost all the other threads in retaliation.
>They seem similar at first, but there is still a different. One has a clear goal of improving the board and the other has just blind hatred for something and decide it must go for no rational reason
This has to be a joke. /v/ doesn't want weeb games because they bring in weebs who do nothing but waifufag. /a/ does not allow Cowboy Bebop threads because they don't like anything but moeshit and don't want anyone in their secret club.
Both boards think they're protecting their board from interlopers. Both are full of shit.
The only difference is that /a/ gets self-righteous about their shitposting.
>>383721
>I'm going to have to point you to /tg/, which was killed by nazi modding.
Last I recall, /tg/ also didn't have anything really wrong with it and it was a mod just projecting his personal view on the board. /v/ has a problem and that problem is people treat the board like its a /b/. It doesn't matter how many splits, rules you add, filters or tweaks you do, at the end of the day it will all return to 0. If the userbase doesn't change its thought patterns on how to use the board, nothing will change. Board splits in the like doesn't change that, it just makes people think if there is a problem, beg the mods to fix it, split it off and keep using the board the same as they have. Nazi modding is nothing more than fucking enforcing the rules to the letter. /v/ is in desperate need of that. It's rules are pretty fucking simple, and that's the board is for vidya. Nazi modding will either change the way the users use the board or heavily slow it down. Both will only benefit it. The only groups that are getting the kick here is shitposters and people who want to talk off-topic
>/v/ doesn't want weeb games because they bring in weebs who do nothing but waifufag
Don't be stupid. Waifufagging will be done whether there is japshit or not, they are just providing excuses. 4chan is kneedeep is jap culture so waifuism will ALWAYS be there, whether japshit is there or not. They just don't like the games and think they are aren't 'games', so they want them gone. Its nothing but blind hatred
>/a/ does not allow Cowboy Bebop threads because they don't like anything but moeshit and don't want anyone in their secret club.
And heres how I know you've never used /a/, as this is simply not the case. These sort of things get perfectly fine threads all the time. /a/ is against casual idiots who spout shit like 'moeshit is killing the industry', when thats simply not the case, and only a casuals delusion
>>383721
>/a/ does not allow Cowboy Bebop threads because they don't like anything but moeshit and don't want anyone in their secret club.
But that is wrong.
You should just not broadcast that you're straight from /v/ when making the OP
>>383741
>They just don't like the games and think they are aren't 'games', so they want them gone. Its nothing but blind hatred
/a/ somehow manages to claim that the RWBY manga isn't manga when it literally is, so at that point they're stuck claiming that it "doesn't count."
>>383764
Western IP, not eastern
>>383764
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Define+%22manga%22
Honestly, I don't care about /a/, and I don't watch much anime and I hardly ever read "manga", but I think I'm going to trust Google this time around.
>>383775
It got a manga adaptation illustrated by a real live Japanese person in Japan.
>>383741
>They just don't like the games and think they are aren't 'games', so they want them gone. Its nothing but blind hatred
And here's how I know you've never used /v/, the only time they pull out the "NOT GAMES" card is when SJWs try to pass off HTML websites as video games.
>>383808
I've seen people still pulling the 'vns aren't games' shit anon
>>383808
Don't you remember Katawa Shoujo?
>>381397
>That's because /a/ and /jp/ knows how to QC their own boards
/a/ doesn't. It's a massive buzzing hivemind full of autistic generals.
Want to see how bad /v/ is:
>>>/v/320457564
>>>/v/320458805
>>>/v/320459917
>>>/v/320457574
>>382023
/a/ sucks up to the mods more than any other board. That is why m00t pandered to the /a/utists -because there are very few /a/nons left these days- as they worshipped the goon. If you think MODS=GODS is back in shit boards like /v/ and /b/, have a look at how predictable modern /a/utists react to things like public bans.
It's like throwing lego bricks into a crowd of spergs. These spergs have spent the past eight or so years completely removing everything that was fun about /a/ and replacing it with autistic anger, group think and endless fucking generals.
The only thing /a/ fights against is when someone has the gall to post a difference of opinion. The "fight" comes in the form of endless shitposting and mass reports till the mods ban the outspoken anon as they are too lazy to do their fucking job properly. If someone gets enough reports, mods will pick them off with a nebulous ban regardless of the post content. The only time mods really monitor threads is when it is /u/ shit, because one of the mods is a t/u/mblr faggot that deletes posts which offend him.
>>378314
/vg/ needs more mods for the amount of generals exist there
>>383912
Oh it took them long enough! Those threads should have been gone within minutes
>write out well-worded reply to some anon
>mod decides he doesn't like the thread
>about to hit submit, realize thread is 404'd
fuck mods, honestly.
my only question is how do we fix this though? and can it be done without compromising anonymity? I really don't see how.
-we can actually pay mods and not be afraid to fire them if they abuse their power.
-we can force mods to use a trip, and when they ban a user or delete a thread, we the 4chan community see who was in charge of it. and we can report it, if we feel it was done in error.
personally, I like the latter better.
but it all comes down to moderating the moderators. they have an unchecked balance of power. something needs to be done.
>>384663
>we can actually pay mods and not be afraid to fire them if they abuse their power
There's no way this is gonna happen
>we can force mods to use a trip, and when they ban a user or delete a thread, we the 4chan community see who was in charge of it. and we can report it, if we feel it was done in error
This might work, but again, Hiro needs to be more aware and communicative for anything to work.
>>384663
I've been a proponent of giving mods global IDs for ages
>>384663
>have an unchecked balance of power
4chan isn't a democracy
>>384731
And that's part of the problem
>>384663
By having Hiro force the mods to talk and interact with us on the boards again, except /qa/. Beating up the mods when they are in the same state as us isn't going to fix anything, just aggravate everyone more
>>384663
>-we can actually pay mods
>>384867
Does Hiro even know HOW to talk to them?
>>384663
>-we can actually pay mods
yeah of course
>they have an unchecked balance of power
4chan isn't and never was a democracy.
It was always a semi-benevolent dicatorship
>>384901
>wanting the equivalent of an Arab-spring on 4chan
>>384901
>thinking 4chan could run smoothly on a fucking democracy
A dictatorship is the only way to actually keep the ship afloat. If you turned the site into a democracy is going to sink like a block of fucking cement
>>384901
It's this mentality that idiots on this board who want to turn 4chan into a reddit-like site with a bunch of topics that invites newfags in like to perpetuate. 4chan is 4chan for a reason. A dictatorship is fine here so long as those behind the wheel aren't invalids with an agenda. The users here are disorganized and cannot alone decide the future of the site. This board and all it's threads since Hiro's q and a is evident of that. I'm not denying that a few users have introduced legitimate concerns (like this thread for example), but that's hardly representative of the whole of 4chan. The users have to work together with the mods and admins, but you cannot pander to all of the opinions here. You just can't. They would have this site turn into reddit. That's just how it would go. There has to be a dictator force strong and intelligent enough to know what's best for the site.
>>384940
But the mods fucking hate us. Leaked IRC logs proved that they are out of fucking touch and are literally a bunch of circlejerking faggots who don't do their job
>>384950
>But the mods fucking hate us.
I'd argue mods are more hated by most boards.
>>384950
Like I said, so long as those behind the wheel aren't invalids with an agenda. Pandering to every random idea is not the solution. Getting Hiro's attention and explaining to him what needs to happen, keeping in mind the context of the site's culture, history, and needs while directly communicating with him is.
>>384663
>we can actually pay mods
I was thinking this earlier today. Make it like profit-sharing to give them an incentive to improve the site.
>>384867
The mods aren't in the same state as us though?
They can talk to us at any time. They just refuse to communicate in anything but bans.
>>384985
>The mods aren't in the same state as us though?
They are though. They hate the userbase for the same reason a lot of the userbase hates it. Because its fucking constantly changing into shit and shitposting. They are also in limbo just as us with the administration change. Everyone, mods included, would be in a state of distress from Hiro being dumped into admin. No one knows whats going to happen to the site
They probably can't as they haven't been talking to the userbase for quite a while. Moot probably told them to keep their mouths shut to avoid pointless drama. If that's not the case and they just don't want to communicate, then Hiro needs to force them to.
Use your head a fucking little and stop just pointlessly coming to assumptions. The mods are anons as well and are in with this shit with us
>>384964
You are having the mistaken assumption that improving the site correlates to higher revenue
>>385031
moot once again proving how much of a retard he was. I really want someone to confront him and tear him a new asshole
>>385050
That's why he quit. He can't handle this shit and the traffic that came with it post chanology or at least post 2011.
>>385050
After the years of shit he went through, anyone would of broke. He became a fucking faggot in his later years, because the site went from something he loved and enjoyed to something he didn't like
>>385031
And yet, they have the power to change things (without the admin even knowing apparently, as well), and yet they don't. They hate the userbase but they don't want to see it improve, they came from anon but they're no longer in with us "regular" anons anymore.
>>385067
No, they can't change anything and you fucking know it. A large number of people are saying the mods are doing evil things behind the admins back because they added funny word filters. They can't actually delete rule breaking content on things like fucking /v/ without insane amounts of drama. What do you fucking think would happen if they tried to do ANYTHING other than keeping the status quo?
>>381889
>>381891
>>381913
>>381915
>somebody ACTUALLY made up an entire chat log just to complain about "M-MUH FREEZE PEACH!!!!! MUH E-ETHICS IN GAYMIN JERNALISM!!!! I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT HARASSING WIMMIN ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!"
back to >>>/pol/gag
>>385076
/d/ would be ruined and /aco/ would be stillborn, for one thing.
Oh wait, that actually happened. Because the mods changed shit on their own.
>>385076
The userbase will get over it. If the mods are doing what's best, the only one's who get pissy are the newfags we don't want anyway. The drama will not last forever. It's stupid to just sit around and do nothing but let cancer fester because you're afraid of retards whining. What would you prefer, a cancerous site that festers until any remnant of fun is gone, or a temporary whining period while mods are active and intelligent and Hiro fixes board issues?
>>385079
back to >>>/tumblr/gag
Fucking moron. Make your statement without spazzing out, you sensitive tard.
>>385082
Again, the mods can't do anything. They will get fired long before they can change anything. If the mods tried to actually tried to fix anything, the users will throw giant bitchfests and then Hiro will show up and with his naive and insane lack of knowledge of the site and will either fire or beat up the mods because of how loud the retards are. The nipplemod is the perfect example, except, he was a actual retard trying to project how he thinks /a/ should be and changing how things have been for a incredibly long time
Until Hiro is able to post regularly on the site, the only solution we have is to get the mods to actively talk to us with the problems of the site on the boards and not on /qa/
>>385105
The mods aren't going to read any of these threads. Actively keep an eye out for Hiro posts and direct him to appropriate posts and threads.
>>385037
Well, I'm leaving, and I assume there are others that have better things to do than butt heads with shitposting phone kiddies and deadly serious fringe-right activists.
>>385076
They have literally done it already you dumb fucking nigger.
>>385076
>What do you fucking think would happen if they tried to do ANYTHING other than keeping the status quo?
Well, /d/ wouldn't be shit for one thing.
>>385105
Is /a/ the only board you fucking use or something? Because they do this shit constantly, and no matter how angry people get, they stay silent.
>>383721
/a/ doesn't like bebop/champloo/psg/dandy threads because they invite /co/ dubfags who want a place to post when toonami general isn't up.
>>385202
>/a/ doesn't like bebop/champloo/psg/dandy threads because they invite /co/ dubfags who want a place to post when toonami general isn't up.
And /v/ doesn't want weeb game threads because they invite /a/ waifufags who want another place to post anime.
>>385203
Being an eastern game doesn't automatically make it anime
>>385202
But /a/ is autistic as fuck though
>banned on /a/
>come on /qa/ to ask why
>see this thread on front page
Welp.
Pic related is just ridiculous, mod-kun. Either give a solid reason and make it a round 24-hour ban, or don't ban at all.
>>385213
What was the post?
>>385213
Yeah, fuck shit like this.
This is why people just ban evade. I got banned yesterday for spoiling Star Wars.
>>385213
Based mod telling you straight
Tell us what post you made faggot or you fucking deserved it
>>385221
On the applicable boards, purposeful spoilering can be considered bannable. Outside of them, it's probably off topic posting. You deserved it.
>>385221
>I got banned yesterday for spoiling Star Wars.
You deserved that ban. Spoilering major things has always got people bans when fresh. If you don't want to get banned for it, you have to be creative. If its not creative its just low effort shitposting and you deserved to get a ban
>muh star wars :(
>>385221
>handing out bans for "spoiling" Star Wars
>when half the plot is spoiled anyway by the online reviews
>and the faggots on /tv/ are probably fine with being spoiled, otherwise they wouldn't even come on here
>>385233
Not the point you moron. They were probably shitposting in a thread totally unrelated to it. You know, like the spam that's been happening on several boards since?
