>The truth is that the surviving Celtic elements were for the most part assimilated by Christianity in the Middle Ages; the legend of the 'Holy Grail', with all that it implies, is a particularly apt and significant example of this. Moreover, we think that if a Western tradition could be rebuilt it would be bound to take on a religious form in the strictest sense of the word, and that this form could only be Christian; for on the one hand the other possible forms have been too long foreign to the Western mentality, and so on the other it is only in Christianity—and we can say still more definitely in Catholicism—that such remnants of a traditional spirit as still exists in the West are to be found. Every 'traditionalist' venture that ignores this fact is without foundation and therefore inevitably doomed to failure; it is self-evident that one can build only upon something that has a real existence, and that where there is lack of continuity, any reconstruction must be artificial and cannot endure. If it be objected that Christianity itself, in our time, is no longer understood in its profound meaning, we should reply that it has at least kept in its very form all that is needed to provide the foundation of which we have been speaking.
Rene Guenon, "The Crisis of the Modern World"
The strengthening of traditional culture, the survival of pre-Christian traditions that Christianity provides is a good thing, but a side effect.
If your primary reason for embracing Christianity is some kind of racial-values thing, you will not endure as a Christian. It's that simple.
Christianity has many, many good side effects. But they all proceed from the main essence of Christianity: its truth. If you are a Christian to take up your cross and save your soul, then you have a much better chance at persevering at it than someone who is in it for the fringe benefits.
These are the personal considerations, though. Nations have no souls to save, so the considerations Guenon talks about, as well as the other social benefits Christianity provides, are very appropriately the subject of contemplation by those in authority who wish to promote Christianity.
>>72229466
>Nations have no souls to save
What makes you believe this?
>>72230213
Nations as an aggregation do not have eternal souls the way people do. One could speak metaphorically of a national "soul," but it would be only temporal, surviving into eternity only in the people of that nation. If you mean a metaphorical soul, then I'm on board for that.
>>72230449
But the idea of a nation itself implies a certain tradition, and I think there has to be a spirit of tradition that exists, something bigger than the people themselves, something they all tap into and carry on. Something primordial. I don't know if it's the same thing as the Christian understanding of the soul, that goes to heaven, because I'm not sure if the spirit of tradition has ever died since the dawn of man, only particular manifestations of it throughout the ages.
>>72231036
I'm mostly in agreement with you about a "spirit of tradition," but it does not really correspond to the Christian idea of the "soul," which is individual. However, Catholic Tradition (I am a Catholic) does have a more communitarian emphasis which boils down to "Nations save themselves (in whatever way we want to define that) by being just."
Both Catholicism and what I think you mean by the "spirit of tradition" are, like Chesterton said, a democracy in which the dead get a vote. And they vastly outnumber us.
>>72231455
Doesn't matter what our ancestors believed if it was wrong. It had kernels of truth, but the fullness of Truth is found in Christ Jesus.
>>72231650
christianity is a JEWISH religion that embraces multiculturalism, destruction of nature and "one true god".
Our ancestors were right, christcucks are fucking cunts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ87iWfJdpw
>>72231485
The "spirit of tradition" doesn't necessarily have to coincide with the individual idea of the human soul. But consider how there was a collective fall of man from Eden, and a collective redeeming when Christ died on the cross. That implies that there is a collective soul as well, and nations are simply fractured forms of it.
>a democracy in which the dead get a vote. And they vastly outnumber us.
Why is this necessarily a bad thing?
>>72231816
>Christianity is a Jewish religion
OH NO! DA JOOS!
>Christianity embraces multiculturalism
Christianity, when done right, enculturates the best from different cultures and preserves them in their contexts.
>Christianity promotes destruction of nature
Where are you getting that? Christianity promotes good stewardship of nature.
>>72231816
Phyletism is not the same thing as patriotism. Patriotism, loving one’s country, one’s homeland, one’s people, is perfectly good and fine and accepted by the Church. In fact, there are many saints who are quite patriotic and quite lovers of their homeland—even defending their homeland against invaders, against nonbelievers. And so certainly, phyletism is not loving one’s people, one’s country, one’s homeland. There’s nothing wrong with that. So when people express great love for their homeland or their country, one should not misunderstand them and confuse their love for something which it is not, that is phyletism.
Now phyletism is also not a strong, healthy self-identity—that is as a Greek or Russian or Serbian or American. It’s perfectly good and healthy to have a proper self-identity. I am a part of this people, which call themselves Hellenists or Russians or Serbians or what it might be, and I’m very happy to be a part of this group, a part of this nation. And certainly we have an example of the Jewish people, the people of God in the Old Testament. They certainly were not shy about their identity and about expressing their identity as the people of God.
Phyletism is not having reservations about multinational unions, globalization, European Unions, North American Unions, international groups which seemingly subvert local governments. Phyletism is not even the desire to get out of these groups; it is not to be seen as something negative. In fact, the Church has always held a somewhat reserved and even a negative stance toward such developments seeing in them, precursors to the “man of iniquity,” the Antichrist.
So phyletism is not a zeal for one’s autonomy, the country’s autonomy from these multinational, international, organizations. There’s nothing all that virtuous in uniting the nations under one government. That’s not something the Church should see automatically as something good.
>>72232006
Democracy of the dead is a very, very good thing. I guess I didn't make it clear that that's what I meant.
You're again mostly right with the collective fall, but Christ's redemption is merely available to all after the universal redemption. To assert otherwise is either Calvinism or Universalism, depending on what extreme you hew to.
Catholic Tradition, however, is pretty clear that in some form or another, the best of humanity (and that would include our best national traits, etc.) will be in the end redeemed, because whatever is good and true in us and our nations is good and true period.
>previous religion adapted and incorporated into a foreign religion
>"We couldn't possibly abandon our present religion"
Wut
>>72232320
This guy gets it.
>>72232084
>Christianity, when done right, enculturates the best from different cultures and preserves them in their contexts.
Wow the massive history revisionism in this one sentence
>>72232084
The jews are responsible for most of the evil in the world
No, christianity is pro-multiculturalism.
Christiany says "We need everybody accepted and living together with one religion and one god"
Paganism says "We need different ethnic groups and races living traditionally and honouring their tribe (race and ethnic group)."
Christianity hates nature.
>>72232320
Christianity is just a multicultural religion. face it.
Christianity aims to destroy people's religion, folk stories and culture. They've successfully done that to Europe, most of Africa, the native americans, etc
>>72233047
>>72233047
Do any ancient forests or oaks still stand?
>>72233153
Yes, in some places.
There are a few ancient woodlands in the UK, and there are many yew trees near churches that were originally pagan temples, but the christians cut down most of the trees and kept the few there to mock our Proud Pagans.
There are probably some ancient oaks and yews in portugal, if you want to look.
>>72232344
>Christ's redemption is merely available to all after the universal redemption. To assert otherwise is either Calvinism or Universalism, depending on what extreme you hew to
But Christ didn't just make salvation available to people, he went down into Hades and saved all of the souls that were trapped there, including all of the OT characters.
>>72233047
I read somewhere that Christians also destroyed many ancient structures, artifacts, knowledge etc etc
When the Spanish colonized South America they proceeded to destroy all elements of the ancient world.
Literally ISIS tier.
>>72233047
Russian Orthodoxy has preserved much of their pagan culture, just as much of the Western pagan culture has been preserved in traditional Christmas. Just look at how much it is pointed out every year by atheists seeking to undermine it. What they don't seem to understand is that Christianity is backwards compatible, in other words the "good" parts of pagan tradition can be preserved, and it doesn't undermine the truth of Christianity, whereas in other religions and worldviews, tradition is rejected altogether. This backwards compatible quality of Christianity is probably one of the reasons Guenon considered it the only way of preserving tradition itself in the currents of the modern age.
>>72234083
>they proceeded to destroy all elements of the ancient world
Except they didn't, there is Aztec, Mayan, and Incan culture all over the place, in some cases it is stronger than Christianity still, and many of the indigenous languages are still spoken.
>>72234083
yes, the christians also destroyed part of the library of alexandria. they destroyed many groves, temples and artefacts.
also mate watch this >>72234111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy7a8TGrpNo
>>72231455
Bits and pieces taken out of context and glued together with a lot of 19th century romantic nationalism and 60s new age fluff. There's very little about reconstructionist paganism the ancients would recognize. Not to mention paganism overwhelmingly draws out hippies and fat women.
>>72234330
>that video
The difference between ISIS and early Christians is ISIS is a stateless terrorist organization, whereas at the point in history he is referring to Christianity was the official religion of the Roman empire as declared by Emperor Constantine. So we're supposed to feel bad that pagan heretics after the fact were continuing to spread heresy and trying to undermine Roman civilization by disobeying their Emperor, I don't think I'm buying that. His objections are no different than someone saying America is fundamentally illegitimate because some Indians had to die. Your type will always be the loser, you need to get over it and just accept tradition, accept that there is a Church that is bigger than your desire to be different than everyone else.
>>72235260
>o we're supposed to feel bad that pagan heretics after the fact were continuing to spread heresy and trying to undermine Roman civilization by disobeying their Emperor
What the fuck kind of retarded argument is that.
Holy shit, good goy.
>>72234295
>Except they didn't
>Except they didn't
>Except they didn't
The historical revisionism is strong in this retard.
>>72236509
>good goy
What are you talking about? Historically Jews have been included in those peoples that have been persecuted against in Christian empires.
>>72236661
That anon said they destroyed ALL elements of the ancient world. Are you saying there is no trace of the Aztecs, Incans, Mayan cultures in Central and South America?
>>72236772
>forbids usury to christian
>Jews end up having a monopoly on it
>persecuted
Ok kiko.
>>72237065
That anon is you, moron. Additional it would have been impossible to systematically destroy everything, for the same reason ISIS isn't blowing up every single bit of antique temples and killing every single christian.
Still fucking destroyed ancient civilizations. It's worth noting that a great deal of conquistadors and Jesuit were converted kikes. What a coincidence.
>>72229133
Neopaganism is a joke, they are not true pagans (Guenon is right on target when he says tradition cannot be reconstructed) yet they always steal teachings from Hinduism. One minute they see us as pooloos and the next we're brothers linked by some made up Proto-Indo-European religion pulled from their ass
>>72231816
would somebody just go on /pol/ and tell lies like that
>>72229133
Someone has an opinion and pol gets BTFO. I never fully understood this meme. With that being said, I dont understand why there are still catholics today. The catholic church folded completely on principle. Real Christians shouldn't have to compromise there beiliefs to appeal to the wicked masses. Catholic Church is the antichrist.
>>72237747
Etsi non displiceat by Innocent III in 1205, addressed to the king of France, is a list of accusations against the Jews: usury, blasphemy, arrogance, employing Christian slaves, and even murder. The king is urged to put a stop to the evils.
In generali concilio by Honorius III in 1218, addressed to the archbishop of Toledo, demanded the enforcement of the decision of the Fourth *Lateran Council that Jews wear clothing to distinguish them from Christians; also that Jews be made to pay the tithe to local churches.
Si vera sunt also by Gregory IX, in 1239, addressed to the kings and prelates of France and Spain, ordered the seizure and examination of the Talmud and all other Jewish books suspected of blasphemies against Jesus and Christianity. The burning of such Jewish books was ordered several times from the 13th to the 16th centuries.
Vineam soreth by *Nicholas III in 1278, addressed to Franciscans in Austria and Lombardy, ordered the selection of trained men to preach Christianity to the Jews.
Cum nimis absurdum by *Paul IV in 1555, was a brief in the spirit of antipope Benedict XIII. It established the ghetto in Rome, limited Jewish economic activities, prohibited more than one synagogue in a town, and forbade contact between Jews and Christians.
Hebraeorum gens by Pius V in 1569, a brief, accused the Jews of many evils, including the practice of magic. It ordered the expulsion of the Jews from all papal territory, excepting Rome and Ancona.
>>72238217
Explain where and how a Catholic has had to compromise his or her beliefs in order to remain a Catholic.
>if the Vatican acts against Catholicism then somehow Catholicism is invalidated for everyone regardless of whether they follow the Vatican or not
I hope that's not what you're getting at.
>>72238924
Sorry Vatican is antichrist. But doesn't the Vatican represent and guide Catholics and is the ultimate authority within the church?
You know what is really fucking funny? That a vast of knowledge that we have about pagans is because christians wrote about them. About their culture, traditions, gods. And if they have some books or poetry, they copied it, like they copied ancient greek and roman works. And now, bunch of atheofaggots/hippies/chauvinists larping it.
>B-but muh evil jooz and thier kikie on stick!
Yes, old testament was written by hebrews (another thing is that if they saw modern Jews they would stoned them as a heretics) but new testament was written mostly in greek. St. Paul was a Roman citizen and now greek philosophies. In fact greek philosophies was a second esence of christian thought.
>B-but muh multiculturalism!
Yes, Bible say that we are equal in Christ. ONLY in Christ. Jesus wanted to all of nations to hear the Good News. Nations, not some multicultural shit. Multiculturalism and cultural marxism are antichristian to the core.
>B-but muh destroying of ethnic vaules and nationalism!
Have you ever heard about St. Stephan, King of Hungary? St. Joana dArc? Catholics Kings of Spain? Do you even know how modern, western nations were born? Pro tip: Not becuse they have barbaric paganism. Also have you heard about that funny idea that nations and societies should decide themself about thier religion and state? Some pirest figured it out in 1414
But the vast majority of pagnas would just call me christfag anyway, so why do I even care about those lost sheeps?
>>72229133
>>72238924
I think if Rene Guenon had seen the effects of Vatican 2 he might have replaced Catholicism in the OP with Orthodoxy. In any case I think the two should reunify if any Christian tradition is going to persist.
>>72229466
this is a really intelligent comment. well done
>>72239629
Guenon didn't know what would happen with Catholicism, but he probably did think Orthodoxy was dead because of the Soviet Union. But Orthodoxy survives. It always does.
>>72239486
good goy
>>72240368
True
Catholicism is too weak to be the cornerstone religion of a true nation-state. Its focus on class upheaval and equality are antithetical to Empire and State Hierarchy.
Can't christcucks get their own boards where they can circlejerk and boast of how good a slave they are to the jewish masters and how much they have destroyed of the european culture.
It really is the saddest religion out of the three MIDDLE EASTERN plagues
>>72240850
>class upheaval and equality
This is mostly based from Rousseau and he was a Calvinist/Deist.
>>72231455
fun fact: most of "Norse" "mythology" and "folklore" came from this faggot some 200 years after the norse were converted. neo-pagans take his stories as relisioug dogma even though he was christian
pagan mythology is lost to the ages. there is no "bringing it back" because most of what wasn't adopted by Catholicism died off with hardly any trace. the only pagan faith we have extensive knowledge about is Hellenism and that's because the catholic church was kind enough to keep records of Rome's pagan heritage.
>>72231816
>christianity is a JEWISH religion
yahwism=/=modern judaism
modern (talmudic) judaism wasn't even a thing until centuries AFTER Christ
>>72240529
Have you ever read New Testament and Talmud? If any of us are good guys, that are definitely not Christians.
I think Evola disagreed as he was in the Ur society, which tried to re-establish the ancient Roman cults. Evola also wrote that since Christianity ultimately lead to the demise of Europe by being a precursor to humanism, secularism, etc. it would be ridiculous to try to use Christianity to form a stable Solar, heroic society.
But we'll never know, because the Kali Yuga has progressed too far.
>>72242026
>>72241385
Can we not see it directly for in the words of the Bible, though? The meek shall inherit the Earth, the last shall be first and the first shall be last, Jesus being the king of kings. Seems unavoidable to me.
>>72242026
"But do not be surprised that I called the Jews pitiable. They really are pitiable and miserable. When so many blessings from heaven came into their hands, they thrust them aside and were at great pains to reject them. The morning Sun of Justice arose for them, but they thrust aside its rays and still sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness, drew the light to ourselves and were freed from the gloom of their error. They were the branches of that holy root, but those branches were broken. We had no share in the root, but we did reap the fruit of godliness. From their childhood they read the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold. We did not hear the divine prophecies but we did worship him of whom they prophesied. And so they are pitiful because they rejected the blessings which were sent to them, while others seized hold of these blessing and drew them to themselves. Although those Jews had been called to the adoption of sons, they fell to kinship with dogs; we who were dogs received the strength, through God's grace, to put aside the irrational nature which was ours and to rise to the honor of sons. How do I prove this? Christ said: "It is no fair to take the children's bread and to cast it to the dogs". Christ was speaking to the Canaanite woman when He called the Jews children and the Gentiles dogs.
But see how thereafter the order was changed about: they became dogs, and we became the children. Paul said of the Jews: "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the mutilation. For we are the circumcision". Do you see how those who at first were children became dogs? Do you wish to find out how we, who at first were dogs, became children? "But to as many as received him, he gave the power of becoming sons of God". Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation."
St. John Chrysostom
>>72242127
I'm on mobile so I can't quote my own post but I'm the anon saying Christianity is inherently focused on class upheaval and 'power to the people' philosophy. This leads to humanism, secularism and ultimately globalism. For this reason it has failed as the soul of the West.
>>72229133
How about instead of trying to imitate the lost, you create your own spirituality (or let it develop on its own as your ancestors presumably did?)?
>>72242686
Priestly jews were just as vile.
>>72242026
>Have you ever read New Testament and Talmud?
have you?
there's no mention of Aryans
it's just another semitic shit faith from the semitic mythologies of the Near East
Christianity, Judaism and Islam is the embodiment of paganism
>>72242917
Aryan was a language group you philistine
>>72243033
no it isn't you filthy fucking kike
आर्य Aryan
>>72242767
if you're referring to pharisees (the people that reformed into modern judaism) i can assure you that they are hardly anything like Christianity
>>72243233
I know.
>the real paganism
>scribblings of desert kikes
>>72239546
FUCKING KYLO REN... IT'S HAPPENING
>>72229133
>>72242767
...Ok, so you are that perosn. That who have no arguments. Only shit. Good goy.
>>72242917
Yes. And you know why there are nothing about Aryans? Because they were in fucking India man. And Bible is more about Middle East and Europe. If you are so into Aryanism, go to the Indian embassy, get yourself a Indian citizen and convert to Hinduism.
>>72243356
>This is yahweh
[Citation needed]
>>72242127
Evola's problem with Catholicism at the core seemed to be the papacy, for reasons not usually discussed. The interesting thing is this critique doesn't seem to apply to Orthodoxy or Byzantine tradition.
>After all, based on what I have discussed so far, it is clear that the very assumption of the title of pontifex maximus by the head of the Christian religion, the pope, turned out to be more or less a usurpation, since pontifex magnus was originally a function of the king and of the Roman Augustus. Likewise, the characteristic symbols of the papacy, the double keys and the ship, were borrowed from the ancient Roman cult of Janus. The papal tiara itself derives from a dignity that was not religious or priestly, but essentially initiatory, and from the dignity proper of the "Lord of the Center" or of the "sovereign of the three worlds." In all this we can visibly detect a distortion and an abusive shift of dimension that, although they occurred in a hidden way, are nevertheless real and testify to a significant deviation from the pure traditional ideal.
>>72242295
Anyone can be meek, anyone can be humble. That's really not a verse meant to turn the poor against the rich, if that's what you're implying. You can't fault the text because some people interpret it wrongly, it is an issue of authority on what the scripture means.
>>72243185
This doesn't disprove anything. If you weren't such a philistine you'd know that India started aggressively wishing they were Aryans after being ruled over by them. They then adopted their language and religion.
>>72242917
i don't think you know what the definition of pagan is.
>>72242483
I agree completely. I have no problem with most Christian doctrines, it's just that it's so endowed with what Nietzsche called "herd morality."
Also, without the influence of Judaism, without monotheism Christianity is not that different from the pagan cults of Dionysus, Serapis, Osiris, Mithras, etc. The pagans knew the mystery of birth, death, and resurrection.
>During the centuries just prior to the Christian Era, the secrets of the pagan Mysteries had gradually fallen into the hands of the profane. To the student of comparative religion it is evident that these secrets, gathered by a small group of faithful philosophers and mystics, were reclothed in new symbolical garments and thus preserved for several centuries under the name of Mystic Christianity. It is generally supposed that the Essenes were the custodians of this knowledge and also the initiators and educators of Jesus. If so, Jesus was undoubtedly initiated in the same temple of Melchizedek where Pythagoras had studied six centuries before.
-Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages
>>72243481
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuntillet_Ajrud
>>72243548
no semitic faith is Aryan you deluded kike
>>72229133
>2016 not a Druid
are you even alive?
>>72243645
When did I conflate the two at all? I don't think I even understand what your aim is here other than calling everybody 'filthy kikes'
>>72243457
If these people were serious, they'd look into Zoroastrianism which is an actually living Aryan religion and not too incompatible with the Western mindset.
>>72243821
>>72244018
Aryanism.net would interest you if you don't know of it already. The Aryans are a great mystery. A lot to debate. Also look into the bronze age collapse.
>>72243645
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuntillet_Ajrud
>The two figures portrayed are generally identifiable as representing the Egyptian god Bes. Also, it is believed that this image was drawn after the inscription was written, so the two may be completely unrelated.[8]
>Egyptian god Bes
>two may be completely unrelated
wow its fucking nothing.
>>72243651
>believing in a religion that was literally made up hippies in the modern era based on the writings of christians from 11th to 15th century
this is why people don't neo-pagans seriously. every neo-pagan that goes pagan because "muh ancient european traditions" is a fucking moron that doesn't realize those traditions died a thousand years ago and there's no hope of bringing them back because there's zero record of them.
>>72241674
>justifying genocide and the destrucrion of culture
>>72243960
Yeah it's pretty good
but needs a scientific overhaul
I'm sure even the guy that "Thus spoke" would agree if had experienced modernity
>>72229133
>Druids
Everyone knows Roman Paganism is where its at.
>>72229133
Except that's just one guys opinion with nothing to back it up really.
There is no real reason why the polytheist religions of old couldn't be reconstructed by modern people.
>>72229466
Souls are fictional things that do not exist, and christianity is a terrible religion for nationalism.
>>72241674
And most accounts of Jesus came hundreds of years after he supposedly died.
>>72231650
>fullness of Truth is found in Christ Jesus.
Yeah no, your messiah is a pile of dust under the sands of palestine. Your religion is as false as any other and frankly your religion is also distinctly unsuitable for encouraging nationalism.
>>72244499
>There is no real reason why the polytheist religions of old couldn't be reconstructed by modern people
But the point is that those reconstructions would be artificial and would not last. The only thing that would make it legit if there was a "2nd coming" of sorts of the old gods and society actually experienced a spiritual transformation.
>>72244310
Gods are just mental construct or archetypes
The same is true of the constellations
They aren't in the sky they're in your mind
Have you read any Carl Jung?
>>72238520
> a few token antisemtic laws in the late middle ages
>Jews are still in charge of usury
>Jews are still the most influential ethnicity through the course of Christian Europe
>Bishops prevented German lords from genociding Jews in the early middle ages
>as a result jews were most numerous in the Empire's cities
Fuck off kike and stop polluting the west with your Bedouin crap.
>>72244593
The four books of the Gospel were all written within decades of the crucifiction, less than a hundred years.
>Moreover, we think that if a Western tradition could be rebuilt it would be bound to take on a religious form in the strictest sense of the word, and that this form could only be Christian
>slave moralists actually believe this
>mfw
Hey, don't you christcucks have some refugee feet to kiss?
>>72244723
>the Church has erred therefore we should throw out real tradition in favor of artificial reconstructed tradition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWPYQjXSYA
>>72244593
Yep, the first written copies of the gospels are at least 100 years after the events in question except for paul's letters, and even those are something like 20 to 40 years after.
Kinda funny to hear christians say you can't revive europolytheism because we have little idea about the precise practices of ancient polytheists when their own religion has changed so much over the years and the actual words of their own supposed savior are practically unknowable at this point.
>>72244314
where in that did i justify jack shit?
>>72244593
>who is Josephus
we have fragments of the new testament that were written a few decades after the crucifixes and most of the new testament was kept alive for about a hundred years prior to being written down through the oral tradition.
>but muh snorri's oral tradition
Shut the fuck up. snorri was never taught the norse tradition, he was raised in the court of a christian king and all of his poems involving norse mythology were just that, poetry.
>being a larping faggot
I'll never understand neo-pagans. I'd rather they admitted they are atheists.
>>72245079
Did I say I wanted that? Nice dodging my points. It's obvious you got BTFO and can't argue against the fact that Christianity made Jews what they are in addition to having been created in Israel.
What a fucking coincidence.
>>72244689
what the fuck are you smoking
>>72244666
>artificial
Nay, keep doing the "christian stuff" that weren't christian to begin with, remove the shit that were juden and then remember that xtianity is nothing but the manifested imperial will of the europeans, first sseen in the Roman.
>>72244908
>Hey, don't you christcucks have some refugee feet to kiss?
these guys did a lot of feet kissing
>>72244666
I got some bad news for you, modern christianity is artificial as fuck and isn't lasting either. A religion's actual truth is both an oxymoron and irrelevant at the same time.
The so called "secondary effects" of the faiths in question are what matters, and in modern europe at least, christendom's secondary effect is the acceptance of migration from the third world.
This is ultimately because christianity is a universalist religion that is incompatible with nationalism. Polytheism may not be inherently nationalist, however it is the only belief that can be used to properly justify nationalism.
>>72245403
You're aware those guys had Christianized arabs in their ranks yeah?
>>72244908
mein nigga
>>72245092
fragments of the gospels dated a few decades after the crucifixion. if you think accounts written a few decades after something happened are unreliable, you are fucking retarded.
there is more evidence for Jesus and the new testament than almost everything else in ancient history.
>>72245687
and what the fuck is wrong with a arab are you racist or something ?
>>72245472
>europe is more atheist than ever
>europe brings in a shit ton of rapefugees
>"lol its christianity's fault lmao"
this is why the jews are winning you fucking retard.
>>72245687
and those christian arabs weren't waging jihad against europe.
>>72245770
>>if you think accounts written a few decades after something happened are unreliable, you are fucking retarded.
Most historians are retarded then? Because the resurrection of christ and other supernatural events in the bible are not excepted as fact by most historians.
>>there is more evidence for Jesus and the new testament than almost everything else in ancient history.
>A few fragments of text are more evidence then anything else in ancient history.
You know, anon, I think you might be the retarded one here.
>>72246164
>>72245403
>fighting for Israel
Biggest waste of manpower in the history of the west. Should have just help the Byzantines to regain some of their lost land.
>>72246164
>the resurrection of christ and other supernatural events in the bible are not excepted as fact by most historians.
because of pre-existing biases.
no serious historian disputes the fact the gospels and epistles were written by the claimed authors and that they are largely unchanged. the only thing thats disputed is the miracles which are written off by some as impossible and then the rationalization games start kicking off.
do you know how long a period of time it was before someone wrote about alexander the great? do you have any idea? the best sources we have for alexander the great, aristotle, socrates, etc. come centuries after they lived. a few decades after Christ means fuck all to historians who have to deal with sources dated literal centuries after other historical figures.
hell there are a great deal of well known historical figures that historians think might not have even existed.
>>72245895
Nothing wrong with arabs in and of themselves, there will however be significant problems if millions upon millions of them migrate to europe, regardless of whether said arabs are muslim, christian or secular.
>>72245938
Oh yeah, the catholic church in particular is doing all it can to prevent the migrants from...
oh wait.
Again, christianity is not a religion that can preserve european nationalism.
>>72246084
Blacks in the US are hardly waging a jihad either, doesn't change the fact that most of our inner cities are practically warzones because of them.
>>72245291
>created in Israel
You mean Roman-occupied Palestine?
>>72247184
the catholic church is stupidly trying to appeal to leftist atheists and does not set the policies of secular nations
arabs are smarter than niggers
>>72245472
Orthodoxy is basically unchanged from the 8th century minus electricity, with nationalism embedded within it
>>72247201
>Immense Roman empire comprising of all of modern france, west germany, Britain, Italy, Spain, North Africa, Syria, Turkey, Greece, the Balkan, Austria...
>Christianity has to originate from that tiny piece of land that is modern Israel
>Full of Jews at the time
>Claimed to be the Jew's sacred kingdom
>Religion started by someone who was born a Jew
>Preached massively by the jewish diaspora in the empire
Ok fuck off with your diversion tactics and semantics, kike.
Don't you have some lube to rub on your cut dick?
>>72247007
>because of pre-existing biases.
>on the part of the people who don't buy into a ridiculous claim
lololol no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcseBJ7_Ns
>>72246590
This would be relevant if I took the paranormal/supernatural claims of classical texts seriously.
I do not. I don't believe the homeric gods were involved in the trojan war, I don't believe that Caesar was descended from Venus the roman goddess of love and I don't believe that some jesus rose from the dead.
These are all absurd and asinine claims that no sensible person should take seriously.
>>72247585
>kike kike kike kike kike kike kike
You ITT, calm down sperglord. Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion of Western traditionalism other than anti-Semitism? Look where you are, none of us favor the Jew.
>>72247503
Orthodoxy is also increasingly irrelevant and hilariously corrupt.
>>72247973
>hilariously corrupt
Do you have any idea what you're talking about or is this just memespeak?
>>72247922
>waaa waaa antisemitism on /pol/
No arguments left?
So I guess you just got btfo. You can go back to preaching for Yaweh.
Kike
>>72248143
>if I spam the word kike enough I win the argument
I don't think it works that way syrupnigger
>>72248114
>Do you have any idea what you're talking about
Yes I do. The greek othodox church is as corrupt as any other institution in greece, the russian orthodox church mostly does what the state tells it to do and contrary to popular belief Putin doesn't mind having muslims in his country.
>>72229133
All religion was made up at as some point.
Total horse shite that newly made up religions cannot flourish. Look at Mormonism and the Church of Scientology or neo liberals.
All new and thriving religions.
>>72248354
The Orthodox church cooperates with governments to preserve the church, the Catholic church sees itself as a government in its own right and defies governments.
>>72248360
2000 years from now people will be praising the gospel of Hubbard and demonizing psychologists. Feels bad man.
>>72244908
Moet jij geen thee gaan drinken in de moskee?
>>72248354
But doctrine has never changed so tell me what negative effect this so called corruption has on the laity.
>>72248529
>>The Orthodox church cooperates with governments to preserve the church
And that means when those governments are in favor of importing third-world migrants the church in question is functionally useless at stopping said migration.
>>the Catholic church sees itself as a government in its own right and defies governments.
Oh yeah and their doing such a good job defying germany right now right?
>>72248327
>>72248327
>maaaaah muh leaf
>If I stop arguing first and whine about antisemitism that means I win
truly btfo.
You can't understand Christians, there is no point in trying.
These people literally believe a book from 2000 years ago written by desert sheepherders in the Middle East.
A book that says you must believe what is in the book or you're going to hell.
>>72248556
More likely it will get mixed into Chrislam. The Religion of peace and forgiveness. (warning everyone who does not conform will die violent deaths.)
>>72247184
cuck cuck cuckedy cuckcuck
KEK!!11!
Every single American citizen is a C U C K!
>>72248676
Who gives a fuck about doctrine? Russia will be a muslim majority country in 50 years time and the orthodox church can do all of jack and shit to stop it if the state isn't willing to act.
As for the greeks well...
Take a look at what is happening to modern greece right now and ask yourself if all of a state's institutions (including the church here because greece is kinda backwards on the whole secularization thing) being corrupt doesn't affect the "laity" negatively.
>>72229133
>Every 'traditionalist' venture that ignores this fact is without foundation and therefore inevitably doomed to failure; it is self-evident that one can build only upon something that has a real existence,
My gut tells me that Guenon is very much speaking for himself here, as a member of his particular social class and intellectual upbringing. People like him WERE steeped in Christianity to an extent that many of more humble origins, yet further along in time from his age, inhabiting a post-industrial as opposed to industrialising world, are not.
> and that where there is lack of continuity, any reconstruction must be artificial and cannot endure.
This encapsulates his chief error - that of the need for some kind of magical "apostolic succession" in matters spiritual. It was this folly that saw him scuttling off to Egypt, changing his name and civilisational identity in the process. He cannot be held up as any model to follow or a voice to take too much heed of.
Human spirituality emerges direct from the human being. You don't need any ridiculous masonic laying on of hands. Where the hell does he think humanity first came up with all this stuff in the first place?
Oh, right, yeah... Allah...
>>72248756
You don't even have an argument other than "Christianity is Jewish at the core" despite it being anti-Jewish at the core. What you're implying is simply untrue.
>>72242004
Every time you post this you sound completely retarded. Yes I've read your big copypasta
>>72249135
Lesee now...
Political leader of a secular state making nice with assorted foreign dignitaries vs the head of the organization that at least half of /pol/ thinks is the bulwark of western civilization doting on the people who will destroy that civilization when their numbers are great enough.
Yeah no, you christcucks are fucking stupid.
You know what we need right now? Nationalism and tribalism. Cucktianity doesn't provide that.
>>72248756
Your leader is trudeau.
You are a C U C K!
>>72249310
>What you're implying is simply untrue.
>Appears within modern Israel's borders
>Preached by a Jew born man
>Followed by Jews
>Initially considered a Jewish heresy
>Base itself on Jewish religion
>Pushed by rich former Jewish merchants across the Empire
>Jews went from a no-name tribe to the most influential ethnicity up to today
Fuck of kike
And B T F O
>>72249478
YOU HAVE A NIGGER PRESIDENT THAT BOWS FOR MUSLIMS!!!!
EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN IS A MUSLIM KEK!
hAVE FUN BEING A MUSLIM KEK WITH YOUR BLACK MUSLIM KEKSIDENT YOU KEKING KEK!
>>72249310
>You don't even have an argument other than "Christianity is Jewish at the core" despite it being anti-Jewish at the core.
The New Testament books were written by Social Justice Warrior Jews who were for a globalist multiracial world. Of course it isn't Jewish because Judaism is from the contrary book, the Old Testament, which is a different God who is racialist and Nationalist. Of course Jews would dislike SJW (((Christians))) who are cucking their religion.
>>72249502
>says belgium
Can't investigate muslim attacks cus that would be racist :^)
>Evolution is a Satanic Lie.
But at a walking, talking snake who convinced Eve into eating the forbidden fruit from a tree that has knowledge of good and evil is a literal (((Christian))) fact.
>>72249701
>>Initially considered a Jewish heresy
Because it's anti-Jewish you dumb leaf
Kike BTFO kike BTFO kike BTFO
>>72249974
>literal (((Christian))) fact
Only Protestants take the bible literally, nice memes though
>>72249797
Oh dear, this angry wafflenigger is mad. Don't worry little belgian, I'm sure papa francis will ride to the rescue of your non-country any day now.
All those pictures of him being nice and welcoming to the people who will replace you are just photoshops or something like that.
lol
>>72250063
>created within kikeland out of all places
>by jews
>uses Jewish religion as a base
>Made Jews super influential
What a coincidence.
No thanks. I'm not taking any spiritual advice from Jews. Might as well follow a chink of poo in loo religion.
Many of those desperately hanging onto Christianity in spite of everything are quite reminiscent of those US Americans who will argue to the end in favour of infant genital mutilation.
Funny really, as the two phenomena are quite related in terms of ultimate cause!
>>72249925
HAHA YOU ARE A C.U.CK.
LOOK AT THE IMAGE TO THE LEFT!
THIS IS UNDENIABLE PROOF OF YOUR CUKOLDRY!
>>72249279
>This encapsulates his chief error - that of the need for some kind of magical "apostolic succession" in matters spiritual
What else is there?
>>72250575
You really want me to go over what your PM just said?
The pot calling the kettle black. Holy shit.
Bagan Thread?
http://odroerirjournal.com
>>72237777
I am pagan and I for the record have always found the poo meme to be unnecessary and Indians to be a great people in general
Nice 7s
>>72250270
IF YOU ARE AMERICAN YOU ARE A KEKOLD.
YOU VOTED FOR A NIGGER AS PRESIDENT
TWICE!
YOU FILTHY KEK1!!
HAVE YOU NO SHAME?
LOOK AT THE PIC RELATED
LOOK AT IT
LOOK!
KEKEDY KEKKEK
LARPagans will be the first to be purged after the mudslimes.
>>72250663
There doesn't need to be anything else. Either because you feel spiritual feels in your heart or whatever or your like me and don't give two shits about the literal truth of a given belief system.
>>72250943
>LARPagans will be the first to be purged after the mudslimes.
>>72250668
That's the point you stupid cancuck.
>>72250943
Please, modern christians aren't capable of "purging" anybody anymore.
>>72250868
Cry moar faggot, keep up the all caps, I'm sure that will keep mehmet from shanking you and raping your sister over you as you bleed to death.
>>72250668
WHY WOULD I LISTEN TO A FILTHY KEK?
JUST LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, YOU DO NOT NEED MORE PROOF OF CANADIAN KEKOLDRY.
YOU CAN NOT HIDE YOUR KEKOLDRY FROM ANYONE YOU KEKING KEKER
>>72229133
>the legend of the 'Holy Grail', with all that it implies, is a particularly apt and significant example of this
But it's literally a Welsh reinterpretation of a Sarmation legend
So you're wrong
>>72251057
Name one "god" that you worship, how do you worship said "god"
>>72251166
>modern christians aren't capable of "purging" anybody anymore
You mean whites, who have been so fucked over, that they can't do shit? Pagancuckold, what have you done for America? Why do worship shit in Europe you Anti-American swine.
>>72251166
YOUR PRESIDENT IS A C.U.C.K!
THIS MEANS YOU ARE C.U.CK.!
YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID BECAUSE PIC RELATED
>>72251449
Suck it, FuckBucket.
>>72251304
I don't worship it, I show them honor and remember them because they are our literal ancestor. We believe they were real people who were role models and have the traits all of us who are Germanic should have. We believe in reincarnation and they are able to be reincarnated through their decedents because a part of their spirit is passed own down through which we now call DNA.
>>72251562
>Trump cucks for Israel and the Jews
Still the same shit.
>>72251304
>>You mean whites, who have been so fucked over, that they can't do shit?
And christianity has done jack and shit to stop this.
>>Pagancuckold, what have you done for America?
Not a pagan or a cuckold, but that said a question back if I may? What have you or any of the other e-crusaders on this board done to stop the influx of muslims into europe? That's what is at risk of being destroyed by muslims. In the US we have mexicans who are mostly being brought in to replace the africans who we already have.
The worse you can say about the US is that some of our people will be browner 50 years from now. Europe may well be either a caliphate or in a state of perpetual civil war/internal unrest.
>>Why do worship shit in Europe you Anti-American swine.
Huh? I'm actually not religious at all.
>>72251562
NO YOU SUCK IT
BECAUSE YOU ARE C.U.C.K.
YOU ARE AMERICAN
AMERICANS HAVE NIGGER PRESIDENT
THIS MEANS ALL AMERICANS ARE C.U.C.K.S.
YOU ARE AMERICAN
YOU ARE C.U.C.K.
SO YOU SUCK
C U C K.
>>72250063
still can't address my points uh?
BTFO. Good thing you accepted defeat.
>>72251958
commander and chimp baka obama isnt fucking any ones wife.... he has a taste for tranys like his life partner
the rapefugees are fucking your wives and you make excuses for them belguim
>>72251645
So you ignore your immediate ancestors to give a fucking blowjob to your 100 generation back family? Fuck can you even trace your family?
>>72251678
>And christianity has done jack and shit to stop this.
Atheists done this, you started shit, and you fucking corrupted it. You know who mostly endorses degeneracy to come into America, the Atheists.
>What have you or any of the other e-crusaders on this board done to stop the influx of muslims into europe?
Wait for the the Pope to die? Started shit with Muslims in Dearborn?
>US we have mexicans who are mostly being brought in to replace the africans who we already have.
Are you saying you would rather have Niggers, that ruined Detroit and refuse to get a job over spics that work for the lowest fucking wages?
>Huh? I'm actually not religious at all.
So a hedonist.
>>72251562
>Comparing trump to the god-emperor
Lmao please I love 40k but this shit just gets more and more cringeworthy every time.
Trump aint got shit on the emprah
>>72252101
ARE YOU HAVING FUN WITH YOUR NIGGER PRESIDENT?
yOU FILTHY CU.C.K
ALL AMERICANS ARE GETTING C.UCKE.D BY BIG BLACK KENYAN DICK FOR 8 YEARS AND THEY LOVE IT
I BET YOU DREAM ABOUT PREPPING OBAMA, DON'T YOU?
yOU PATHETIC LITTLE C.U.CK
>>72229133
Wtf is neo-pagan anyway, last time I spoke to one they had no clear idea of what gods they worshiped and used only Greek and Roman eaxamples, also they carried plastic crystals around and spoke about visions and energies that made no sense
>there are people on /pol/ right now who want to return to the delusion of idols after having found the true faith
>>72252266
>So you ignore your immediate ancestors to give a fucking blowjob to your 100 generation back family? Fuck can you even trace your family?
Nice straw man fallacy retard.
How can I trace my family? My family was in the nobility in England when they came here to America. I'm no where near the level they were at the time, now we are just plebs.
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/
>>72252835
So, you spit on your family, who were nobles who worshiped Christ.
>>72250663
>What else is there?
And you consider yourself a spiritually aware individual? Man, just go out and sit in the woods a bit...
>>72252596
Hippie trash is the underbelly of neo-paganism.
>>72252957
>So, you spit on your family, who were nobles who worshiped Christ.
Or did they really? Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, etc. isn't (((Christian))).
>>72252266
>Atheists done this, you started shit, and you fucking corrupted it. You know who mostly endorses degeneracy to come into America, the Atheists.
Ah yes the 1 million or so atheists who weren't even allowed to hold political office in the US until very recently definitely did all this, yep. Just pay no attention to christian involvement in various progressive movements, pay no attention to the historical opposition of the catholic church to racist/nationalist organizations. It was all atheists doing!!!!111
>Wait for the the Pope to die?
And when the next guy who comes after him is either ineffectual at stopping the slow motion destruction of european civilization or even worse is actively encouraging it like the current guy is?
>Started shit with Muslims in Dearborn?
Oh really? What shit did you start and what do you think the effect will be in a secular nation state that is heavily dominated by an alliance of business interests and cultural progressives?
>>Are you saying you would rather have Niggers, that ruined Detroit and refuse to get a job over spics that work for the lowest fucking wages?
No, I'm saying that europe is fucked and we may well wind up being fucked over too if anyone in charge gets the idea that importing muslims/assorted third worlders will help improve "productivity" or some shit.
>So a hedonist.
No, but think whatever you like, I am well aware that I am trying to communicate to a brick wall.
>>72252826
>>the true faith
>>out of the thousands of faiths that have existed over the years I seriously think mine is correct
lolololol
>>72229133
European paganism was dindu superstition out of place with the european type
>>72253425
I wouldn't follow it if I didn't think it was correct, my man.
>>72253553
All religion is ultimately superstition and frankly you have some nerve comparing the deities that the Roman Legions marched in the names of. Remember that the greatest pre-modern western civilization was not built by christians, they merely inhabited as it collapsed.
>>72253111
No, it's a club you pissant.
>>72253189
>Ah yes the 1 million or so atheists who weren't even allowed to hold political office in the US until very recently definitely did all this, yep.
Who peddles the corruptions, it's the Jews and Atheists that works for the jews.
>pay no attention to the historical opposition of the catholic church to racist/nationalist organizations
It's called nipping shit in the bud because shit like that gets the fucking church uppity because they can't reign them back.
>And when the next guy who comes after him is either ineffectual at stopping the slow motion destruction of european civilization or even worse is actively encouraging it like the current guy is?
No, because all the other Cardinals are honestly more conservative and want to start shit, fuck I want the guy from Africa, that fucker don't mess around. But Stormcuck will throw a bitchfit over the fact that he's a nigger.
>What shit did you start and what do you think the effect will be in a secular nation state that is heavily dominated by an alliance of business interests and cultural progressives?
Got in a confrontation in Dearborn, guy started shit.
>No, I'm saying that europe is fucked and we may well wind up being fucked over too if anyone in charge gets the idea that importing muslims/assorted third worlders will help improve "productivity" or some shit.
Then fucking work the jobs that no one wants.
>>72232084
>da joos
That worn out meme
Tripfags everytime
>>72253679
Nice comic, too bad that it does nothing to change the fact that europe became christian because the early christians were willing either co-opt polytheist customs or destroy what they couldn't co-opt. You specifically are more then 80% likely to be a christian because you were raised as such even if only nominally.
This guy looks very similar to a certain CIA agent, code name "Small Guy"
>>72253784
Antiquiyty had civilization with some superstitions here and there. We don't worship mothman, jackalopes, or offer sacerdotal tribute for good luck.
Paganism was obviously more than this, but it wasn't fully religion in the same way. It lacked edifice and reductionism. Good religion is always quasi-philosophical. Paganism was only quasi-religious in this sense.
>>72253960
>tfw liberal atheist parents
thanks for reminding me :(
>>72253883
>>Who peddles the corruptions, it's the Jews and Atheists that works for the jews.
Oh please, If I was working for the jews don't you think I would be in charge of something a bit more important than the 4chan subboard that the rest of 4chan hates?
>>It's called nipping shit in the bud because shit like that gets the fucking church uppity because they can't reign them back.
And what precisely is the catholic church doing to nip the muslims in the bud? Don't answer, we both know they are doing jack and shit.
>>No, because all the other Cardinals are honestly more conservative and want to start shit, fuck I want the guy from Africa, that fucker don't mess around. But Stormcuck will throw a bitchfit over the fact that he's a nigger.
Unless more conservative means "No further third-world migration(or at most extremely limited migration) for the next 50 years" then said cardinals will do all of sweet fucking nothing to fix the problem.
>>Got in a confrontation in Dearborn, guy started shit.
So what? You punched some african guy in the face and that means what?
>>Then fucking work the jobs that no one wants.
You have no idea what's going to happen over the next 50 years, fuck I don't think you understand what is happening right now.
>>72254250
But roman polytheism had people who were making it more complex. It's just that they were all killed off slowly as the empire christianized.
>>72229133
/pol/ i'm concerned
i resemble the guy in the OP pic A LOT
wat do
>>72254279
That's what everyone on this board says when I bring this up. Personally I'm more inclined to think that you are lying to me then that you are telling the truth.
>>72252019
The Jews who became Christians no longer considered themselves Jews. They no longer practiced circumcision, or kept the feasts such as Passover. They didn't keep the Sabbath. They didn't say Jews are still God's chosen people. All of these things are still true in the Orthodox Church. You will never hear anything from the OT in the liturgical life of the Church other than the Psalms, precisely to safeguard the faith from becoming Judaized. We literally sing songs about how pathetic Jews are. Codreanu was one of the most anti-Semitic fascists there ever was and he was deeply Orthodox. All of these reasons are why Jews hate traditional Christianity and seek to subvert it at every turn. You are undermining the greatest tool we have against the Jew and for that I cannot begin to tell you how big of a faggot you are.
>>72254472
>Oh please, If I was working for the jews don't you think I would be in charge of something a bit more important than the 4chan subboard that the rest of 4chan hates?
Of course not, you're not that important.
>And what precisely is the catholic church doing to nip the muslims in the bud? Don't answer, we both know they are doing jack and shit.
Being a total faggot and letting them in? At least Poland isn't letting them in.
>Unless more conservative means "No further third-world migration(or at most extremely limited migration) for the next 50 years" then said cardinals will do all of sweet fucking nothing to fix the problem.
No, it's more "get the fuck out of Europe, Crusades later."
>So what? You punched some african guy in the face and that means what?
That I did something. Did you do something?
>You have no idea what's going to happen over the next 50 years, fuck I don't think you understand what is happening right now.
The southern shithole states are getting swamped with Mexicans who want gibs. That's wrong and retarded.
>>72229466
>Christianity: its truth.
lol
>>72229133
Can Neo-fagans ever recover?
>>72255075
cont
>>72254676
get facial reconstruction surgery
>>72254676
>he hasn't read Guenon
You know what to do
>>72254871
You can believe me if you want, or you can think I'm lying, my man. It's up to you. Regardless of that, it honestly doesn't matter. Your argument is basically that if things were different, then things would be different. It's not like I accepted Christianity uncritically and without examining the options first, you know. I even thought about paganism. But then I realized that paganism only works if you think that religion is a social club and don't actually believe it.
>>72254888
Not true. During Lent and Holy Week the evening services contain readings from Genesis, Exodus, Proverbs, Job, and Isaiah. And on the eves of the Great Feasts, the OT prophecies related to those feasts are read.
But yeah, these are more special cases.
>>72254952
>Of course not, you're not that important.
;_;
>Being a total faggot and letting them in? At least Poland isn't letting them in.
Good for the poles, but that probably has more to do with Poland being kept poor and miserable for the past 50 years then any amount of religious belief.
>No, it's more "get the fuck out of Europe, Crusades later."
What makes you think that any of them will actually say this publically, or that any given catholic or nominally catholic european nation will actually listen to them?
>That I did something. Did you do something?
The something you did is irrelevant for actually solving the problem.
>The southern shithole states are getting swamped with Mexicans who want gibs. That's wrong and retarded.
That may be, but it's still better then getting lots of muslim migrants.
>>72255359
>>But then I realized that paganism only works if you think that religion is a social club and don't actually believe it.
Hate to break this to you, but this also applies to christianity. You just don't see it for whatever reason.
>>72255423
>Good for the poles, but that probably has more to do with Poland being kept poor and miserable for the past 50 years then any amount of religious belief.
No shit, and religion played a big ass role in it.
>What makes you think that any of them will actually say this publically, or that any given catholic or nominally catholic european nation will actually listen to them?
Then you get the spics, or the fucking niggers to do the job then. If Europe doesn't listen, the minorities will fight.
>The something you did is irrelevant for actually solving the problem.
At least I do something, and not nothing.
>That may be, but it's still better then getting lots of muslim migrants.
Because they're Christian and the women are mostly passable and exotic enough.
>>72254279
I know that feel.
>>72254888
Sorry but with all that's been revealed about how deep the Jew's influence goes and their nefarious practices, I don't understand why coincidentally we should follow a faith created by some of them.
That would just be confirming that they are a special people, which is exactly what Christianity did btw. Unless you deny that bishops offered shelter to the people of the book and were the reason why jews weren't slaughtered by the German alpha males (knights).
So no. Give me any monotheistic religion that was invented anywhere but in Israel by a former kike. I'll follow it if it fits my western culture and values.
Meanwhile you just keep playing their 2000 year old game that turned a literally who tribe into the biggest cartel in mankind's history.
>>72255659
>No shit, and religion played a big ass role in it.
If by religion you mean communism then sure. Poles have been kept poorer then the rest of europe and still cling to national pride and religious traditionalism to some extent, but this is changing as we speak and the day will come that poland will be as multi-culti as the rest of the EU is.
>>Then you get the spics, or the fucking niggers to do the job then. If Europe doesn't listen, the minorities will fight.
Even if we assumed this could happen, what makes you think a new crusade would succeed or that a successful crusade will solve the problem we are facing?
>>Because they're Christian
Try not from a third world nation instead chief. Latin america is corrupt to the teeth but they aren't barbarians.
>and the women are mostly passable and exotic enough.
I really don't care about this all that much, but I have to tell you that mexican women mostly only look good before they hit 25 years of age, then the kool-aid person syndrome starts to kick in.
>>72255588
Hate to break this to you, but that assertion remains to be proven. And besides, it's working out fine for me, and I actually believe it.
>>72248639
>thee gaan drinken in de moskee?
Een Kuffar in de moskee?
Enig idee hoe haram dat wel niet is?
>>72256355
>If by religion you mean communism then sure. Poles have been kept poorer then the rest of europe and still cling to national pride and religious traditionalism to some extent, but this is changing as we speak and the day will come that poland will be as multi-culti as the rest of the EU is.
But it won't.
>Even if we assumed this could happen, what makes you think a new crusade would succeed or that a successful crusade will solve the problem we are facing?
It'll make the muslims shit themselves and if they try anything, they'll get removed.
>I really don't care about this all that much, but I have to tell you that mexican women mostly only look good before they hit 25 years of age, then the kool-aid person syndrome starts to kick in.
Depends on the girl, and what regions she's from.
>>72255820
>I'll follow it if it fits my western culture and values.
Your western culture IS Christian.
Your western values ARE Christian.
>>72255820
>Meanwhile you just keep playing their 2000 year old game that turned a literally who tribe into the biggest cartel in mankind's history
You can blame Protestant goys like Churchill for that. The Vatican was more or less on the Nazis side and the Eastern Orthodox know better than anyone the consequences of Jewish Bolshevism. The Jews were in diaspora for almost 2,000 years and it was mostly European Christianity that kept it that way. Your biggest error is assuming the modern ecumenical natural of post-Vatican 2 Catholicism is how it's always been.
>>72256416
Oh but it is already proven, wanna know why? Because none of the people who actually made europe large and in charge did anything more then pay lip-service to christian principles.
You can't actually survive and thrive in the real world by turning the other cheek and forgiving your enemies. You survive and thrive by destroying your enemies and pissing on their bones.
>>72255820
Jews recognize early Christians as the biggest anti-semites. That's why for a while jews and Muslims basically lived alongside and helped each-other against the crusaders.
>>72256619
no
>>72256758
>implying jews weren't already swimming in gold
How much more delusional can you get?
>>72255820
Matthew 7:6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs; and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under foot and turn and maul you.”
Matthew 10:16-17 “See, I am sending you out like sheep into the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Beware of them, for they will hand you over to councils and flog you in their synagogues”
Matthew 21:12-13 “Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. He said to them, “It is written,
‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’;
but you are making it a den of robbers.”
Matthew 23:31-33 “Thus you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your ancestors. You snakes, you brood of vipers! How can you escape being sentenced to hell?”
Philippians 3:2-3 "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of those who mutilate the flesh! For it is we who are the circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and boast in Christ Jesus and have no confidence in the flesh"
1 Thessolonians 2:14-16 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you suffered the same things from your own compatriots as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out; they displease God and oppose everyone by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. Thus they have constantly been filling up the measure of their sins; but God’s wrath has overtaken them at last.
Revelation 3:9 “I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.”
>>72256963
>thinking I care about material success
>thinking that Christianity even propounds to be about material success
Ohoho
>>72256969
>That's why for a while jews and Muslims basically lived alongside and helped each-other against the crusaders.
That's false. The Crusades started primarily because turks took over the levant and chased the Jews away. Jews came to European courts and financed anyone who would support a crusade.
>Jews recognize early Christians as the biggest anti-semites.
Find me an antisemite messiah that wasn't a kike. I'll follow him instead. Kthxbye.
>>72256612
>But it won't.
Oh really? How's poland going to stay poor exactly? That's the only reason why poles aren't accepting of migrants.
>It'll make the muslims shit themselves and if they try anything, they'll get removed.
And then they get nuclear weapons and when the mass migrations start over the coming decades we have even more of a chance of nuclear exchanges being involved.
Brilliant plan.
>Depends on the girl, and what regions she's from.
Meh don't really care about this specific issue enough to argue about it.
>>72256619
Not really. European culture and values has as much to do with classical philosophy and enlightenment ideas as it has to do with christianity of any sort.
>>72257141
What is western history?
Oh wait,...
YOU ARE CANADIAN!
YOUR PRIME MINISTER IS A KIKE LOVING KEKOLD!
C.U.C.K MY C.U.C.K. UP KEKPAI
yOU ARE SUPREME KEKOLDFAGGOTRYKEK
>>72257372
>Oh really? How's poland going to stay poor exactly? That's the only reason why poles aren't accepting of migrants.
By getting bullied by the EU into trying to make them have migrants?
>And then they get nuclear weapons and when the mass migrations start over the coming decades we have even more of a chance of nuclear exchanges being involved.
Then you start shooting and deporting them.
>Meh don't really care about this specific issue enough to argue about it.
>not enjoying Sinaloa girls
>>72257166
Still a Jew. Still a scam.
>g-guys im totally anti semite I swear
>Follow me and not that white ubermensch over there
>By the way jews are scum but don't kill them and give them a monopoly on usury ok?
Ok. Just like I don't support any far right movement led by kikes I don't support religions started by them. They have their hands in every sides that's their game.
>>72257265
Well that's great for you and all but for me and quite a few other people on here material success is what matters.
>>72257344
>The crusades started at the whim of the jews
Come on now we both know you're not exactly being honest here
>Find me an antisemite messiah that wasn't a kike. I'll follow him instead. Kthxbye.
What's wrong with a kike if they are 100% aware of kike trickery and hope to fortify your spirit against it?
Jesus was the OG anti-semite.
>>72257344
You do realize that in the Bible Jesus chases money-grubbing Jews from the temple with a whip, right?
>>72257777
>Kikes kickstarted the 3 most influential religions in the world.
Sorry but I'm not subscribing to this reality. Jesus was a Jew and out of the hundred of thousands of tribes living in the world it had to be Jews that dictated half the world how to believe (Christianity and Islam).
Pro tip : Imagine kikes having any sort of influence in a world that's not christian. Welcome to east Asia or old Europe.
>>72257627
>By getting bullied by the EU into trying to make them have migrants?
The EU is less important then the internal opinion of the polish people, and currently the polish people are not favorable to mass migration of third world migrants.
Again, yay for poland, seriously. However, this won't last, because it is the attitude of poor people who are acutely aware of how dangerous the world really can be.
>Then you start shooting and deporting them.
Great and what happens when one of the muslim countries nukes yours in response?
>not enjoying Sinaloa girls
I don't recall saying this. I just can't be bothered to argue about when given sub-groups of mexican women get fat.
>>72258034
And hitler supposedly exterminated them.
A man with 25% kike blood that caused the death of Europe, millions of westerners and did immense damage to white nationalism in the world by associating them with his image.
What a coincidence.
Sorry not buying into it.
>>72258346
>Great and what happens when one of the muslim countries nukes yours in response?
Then you salt the earth and remove them all.
you fags need to read the "beyond atheism and theism" chapter in ride the tiger.
protip: tradition transcends religion
>>72231455
>pagans
>>72258170
It's splitting hairs though, yes Jesus was a Jew, I'm more than happy to give that a "so what?" answer because early Christians fucking hated Jews and the Jews hated (and still hate) Christians.
I don't care how much credit Jews want to take for christianity or any other Semitic faith, christianity is obviously intrinsically opposed to Judaism in a lot more ways than even Muslims are opposed to Judaism.
Jews hate idolaters more than anything, Muslims are not idolaters as they believe in one singular god that has not come to earth yet. Christians believe Jesus was God, so that would make them guilty of idolatry in Judaism and Islam.
Right off the bat, by accepting Jesus as the messiah, you are already setting yourself quite far apart from Jews and Muslims.
>>72258034
Jesus did plenty of good things, particularly this. Largely irrelevant 2000 years later when his would-be followers are doing their damnedest to install the moneylenders back there in as impregnable a way as possible, while adopting the holy fuck out of Africa.
>>72244310
>this is why people don't neo-pagans seriously. every neo-pagan that goes pagan because "muh ancient european traditions" is a fucking moron that doesn't realize those traditions died a thousand years ago and there's no hope of bringing them back because there's zero record of them.
No matter how many times you repeat this shit, it doesn't become true.
Iceland's doing a pretty good job with reviving the old faith, few of them actually believe it but they know the cultural value that an endemic faith carries.
Christianity deserves credit where it's due but ultimately it is a semitic faith and pushes us to have interests in other groups of people for reasons that are not economic. It is a global religion and globalism is a cancer.
NOTHING YOU SAY WILL STOP ME FROM LOVING MY LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST WHO CAME TO SAVE ALL MAN FROM THE EVILS OF THIS WORLD.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE, AS LONG AS YOU PROCLAIM CHRIST, YOU WILL HAVE A SPOT IN THE KINGDOM AND WILL BE GIVEN A NEW BODY. WE WILL ALL BE ONE IN CHRIST.
>>72259086
>IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE, AS LONG AS YOU PROCLAIM CHRIST, YOU WILL HAVE A SPOT IN THE KINGDOM
What, even if you're a paedophile serial killer? Fuck that bollocks.
>>72259206
The bible says as long as they ask for forgiveness and they are sincere. Who are we to judge? We are all sinners.
>>72258813
>because early Christians fucking hated Jews and the Jews hated (and still hate) Christians.
It's a fallacy, the clergy protected the Jews all across Europe. What do you think they were doing in German cities in the first place without having the warrior class chase them out of their land. Warrior class that very much responded to pagan ideals in spite of being Christians in name for a long time.
It's even written in the bible that Jews will bring salvation to the world and carry on the words of the old book as a vanguard.
By the way Jews don't want more kikes. If anything converting to Judaism is weakening them. They want kike compatible goy religions so they can rule as master race over a world where tribalism is dead.
End yourself kike enabler. They would have never, ever been so rich if it wasn't for usury in a christian world.
>>72259206
You got a lot of forgiving to do if you do that anon.
>>72257675
>Christianity should be rejected wholesale for not killing all the Jews and letting them handle money
So your beef is basically that the RCC's sicut judeaus doctrine was too lax. Here's an idea, you could try basing your spiritual life on something other than a reactionary hatred of Jews. Or you could try to change the Church from within, instead of acting like an autistic neo-pagan that ends up being contrary to all men and not just to Jews.
>>72254279
Proud of you bro. One day their hearts will warm up.
>>72259326
No, we still have the fundamental right to say that's fucked up.
>>72259086
>>72259326
>If I bribe Jesus by saying he's the one in charge I get to go to heaven
>even if I do that while raping babies
Protestants are even more retarded than catholics holy shit.
>>72259554
>No, we still have the fundamental right to say that's fucked up.
You're not a Christian yet. You're not supposed to judge others, you're supposed to love and forgive.
>>72259206
The argument is if they were ever worthy of Christ's acceptance in the first place they never would have done such things and so they would never truly be worthy of heaven as they are not true believers.
Faith isn't merely a declaration, it's supposed to come with true conviction to the extent that you would sincerely try to honor the ten commandments and Jesus' word.
Very interesting, by the way, to see the value of a well organised, dogmatic and integrated religion, in terms of its ability to maintain resilience under fire, particularly in comparison with a more loosely conceived religiosity that is open to admitting it might not have all the answers. And this even in the face of the - apparent to me - fact that the latter is a more sensible and honest response to the universe around us. As such, you get the nasty suspicion that, for practicality's sake, it might be best to *pretend* to be a Christian than take the philosophically more satisfying path of exploring our deeper spiritual heritage... I often wonder how many so-called Fathers of the Church thought like this, and put societal well-being over personal intellectual vanity.
>>72229133
Christianity, as like near all the "monotheistic" religions is just a derivative form of planet worship, through and through, combined with occult sexual imagery. Christians can't even decipher their own symbolism thanks to a hierarchy that ensures it remains shrouded in misinformation. By all accounts, Christianity is little more than dressed up paganism of the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians.
>>72231455
me on the left
>>72259360
>It's even written in the bible that Jews will bring salvation to the world and carry on the words of the old book as a vanguard.
Any old testament reference of Jews I'm pretty sure is meant to refer to modern Christians.
>>72246590
Just because some fiction happened to be copied reliably, doesn't make it any more true.
>>72259483
>an autistic neo-pagan
who the fuck said I was pagan you ad-hom spewing fuck. Not fedora either.
>Or you could try to change the Church from within
Or we could work toward a non degenerate patriotic society and make our own faith from the scratch. Just like how every religion in the world started.
You thought Christianity was written down in 30BC? That shit was elaborated in hundreds of councils in the shitskin parts of the empire.
>>72258480
>>salt the earth
You mean the earth we have to live on? You are aware that a nuclear war is an inherently losing proposition right?
>>72260009
it's in the new testament. Educate yourself on your own religion.
>>72229133
Arguments like there are retarded and shortsighted throughout time and space. Yes, you'll always have comparisons to Christianity because Christianity aped a lot of Western traditions.
That does not excuse giving power to a Desert God. For all your talk of spirituality, I notice Christian scum don't seem to connect the dots when Yahweh pleads them to not worship other gods. We need to destroy him, and to destroy him we need to believe in other things. Yourself if you're strong, something else, anything. Even Materialism serves a higher purpose than that worthless relic of the Jews.
>>72259679
>you're supposed to love and forgive.
topkek
