How do we solve poverty /pol/?
>muh bootstraps. 8^)
Is it really the poor's fault that prices have skyrocketed while wages stayed the same? Come on, be honest here.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/25/1-in-2-working-americans-make-less-than-30000-a-year/
The number one way to solve income inequality is to get the Jews out of America once and for all.
> i legitimately believe this
>>81536341
If they make less than 30k than that's what they deserve.
>There people on /pol/ that actually believe this
>>81536341
Audit the fed, shut it down, go back to the gold standard.
The answer to all of those problems is us fucking with the economy to artificially inflate it. Which creates bubbles, and those eventually burst.
>>81536341
>51% of Americans Make Less than 30,000$ a Year
can you live on 30k a year is the question.
if it's an arbritrary number in relation to other people's earnings what's the point?
in canada you can live off 30k a year.
i don't see life being that much more expensive in USA, if not cheaper
it's called budgeting you millenials
>muh fastfood
>muh air jordans
So 50% of Americans make 30k or more? Sounds like a first world country to me.
/
Why the alarmism
How in the fuck do you make less than $31k a year?
I'm a fucking software intern (INTERN) right now and my hourly wage over fifty 40 hour weeks would be around $44k, and that's not even that much. Hell, I make less than a lot of my friends in similar internships.
If you make under $31k as an adult you must really be unskilled
>>81536790
This fucking gif, KEK
>>81537156
I've yet to a valid response from the Right as to how they can prevent their country from becoming Mexico 2.0. Looks like Marx was right after all.
>>81537474
>the gold standard meme again
What's to say we don't fuck with the economy again to inflate it? I'm sorry, but that's Capitalism, you cannot prevent inflation without massive regulation.
>>81537583
>can you live on 30k a year is the question.
Fucking barely, but what happens in 5-10 years when you can't anymore? The end of the West.
>>81536341
I'm sure if you vote for a billionaire fraud he'll give you his money.
>>81537769
The poverty level for a family of 4 in the United States is $24,300. If you want more White babies then you need to have a strong economy to make it financially sound to have children.
Federal Poverty Level (FPL)
https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/federal-poverty-level-FPL/
>>81537583
What is Purchasing Power Parity?
>>81536341
I have debilitating laziness, I try to do something but my body just won't fucking do it.
I am literally on the couch surfing the web all day every day. My life is the internet and I fucking hate myself for it.
>>81538052
>24k is poverty
That's just the government fudging up numbers to make them look more favorable for themselves on a sheet. I don't care about white babies, you cannot provide any meat to the claim that one out of every two people in America making over thirty thousand dollars a year is somehow a sign of a distressing time.
>>81538313
>That's just the government fudging up numbers
People like you vote.
>>81538052
>White babies
You mean trailer trash worthless meth heads.
There are plenty of them to go around. Legalize abortion.
>>81538405
Care to provide a counter to my claims? Or did you run out of hot air to spew.
>>81537953
Yes you can. Print one gold-backed currency and allow private banks to print their own if they wish.
That way nobody has a FUCKING MONOPOLY ON MONEY, allowing them to inflate the economy artificially.
Just like an oil monopoly can artificially inflate the oil price and so on.
>>81536341
> less than 30,000$ a year
Ahahah what? Do they pay you plebs like $10 an hour or something down there? Thank god for the oil fields here in Alberta, making 96k a year as an insulator at 19 years old. Just get jobs in the trades ya dinguses
The guvment gives me 12k. Am I poor?
>19 years old
>making $33/hr at a cushy software job while in college
Feels good
Fix the housing market and those wages won't seem so bad.
The Free Market should not be applied to real estate.
>>81538579
So you want me to prove a negative? It's you who have the burden of proof.
>>81538792
Your argument never had any validity to it in the first place.
>>81538661
fuck i work 40 hours a week for 15k.
>>81536341
51% of Americans are either children or senior citizens.
>>81536341
1. Eliminate the floatation device known as welfare
2. Teach and advocate self sufficiency aka. Agriculture and craftsmenship
3. Teach ingenuity and critical thinking.
4. Functioning community born
>>81538450
careful there
>>81538965
I'm laughing so hard, holy shit.
>tfw I'll be making the same in a week.
JUST
>>81538615
>$10 an hour or something down there?
7.25 to be exact, the Republicans fucking hate poor people.
>>81538878
What's so hard to understand that if people don't have enough money to feed their children, pay the rent, educate them, give them proper healthcare, and save money for retirement, they will be less inclined to have children? Less children will mean less tax payers and consumers. The government will be inclined to open up immigration, most likely non-white, third world immigration, with the support of corporations looking for more consumers and labor.
>>81536341
We need better jobs.
That is all.
Service industry is shit for money.
>>81539116
>Agriculture
With what land?
>craftsmanship
With what capital?
People can't afford to even provide for themselves. How do you expect them to "pick themselves up from their bootstraps" and start that business?
>>81539269
hire me, i want tens of millions
>>81539303
Better jobs don't exist. Even "professional" jobs are starting to pay shit. "Service Industry" is the major job market because its the only industry left that requires human interaction.
We need to start seriously considering a post-capitalist Economy. The simple truth technology is getting to the point where the machines can think and do for us.
Video related. Want to study to be a brain surgeon? Forget it. Robots will be doing it in 30 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRw9y7ZaD7k
>>81539472
Community gardens or simply plant pots for agriculture
As for craftsmanship, technically if you have abandoned housing complexes or things of that nature, you could technically recycle materials and resources to craft different things.
Couldn't they pull all of their money together and function as a unified community kind of like black people did in the 60's with carpooling and things like that.
>>81538965
I think you need a different job.
>>81539831
>Robots will be doing it in 30 years.
Who will be making them. A private corporation to mass produce these miracle machines? I'm sure they'd be taxed too heavily in that socialist utopia of yours for this to be allowed to happen. The government? The government pockets that money if it isn't directly put into the military budget, where most of these technological advancements by government happen.
I don't see your how your proposal can work.
Most degrees have a starting salary of 50k. The better ones somewhere around 70-80k.
So there you go get an education get a comfortable job find a partner who did the same and you have a household income mid career of 120k+. Life is so easy in the USA because there is no hook nosed government who wants to rob you off 52% off your income.
>>81540020
im 22. is this bad? I'm not sure what to do at this point in time.
>>81536341
How is this possible? The only job ive ever had that paid me less than 30k a year was my first full time job that I only had for a few months after the army. And it was the most fun ive ever had at work. But anyone with half a fucking brain can make more than 30k a year. if they try.
>>81539269
I don't think Republican hate poor people. It's as simple as them truly believing in the power of the market to create jobs and raise wages. It also doesn't help that leftist calls for outrages minimum wages, and blanket ones at that.
If the minimum wage is to be rage to a living wage then the it needs to reflect local economic conditions. A blanket federal or even a state minimum wages doesn't do the poor justice in the metropolitan areas and it skews in favor for the towns and small cities.
Living Wage Calculator
http://livingwage.mit.edu
For example:
Living Wage Calculation for Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA
Living Wage for 1 Adult is $12.88
http://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/31080
Living Wage Calculation for Wyoming County, West Virginia
Living Wage for 1 Adult is $9.82
http://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/54109
Also see this map >>81538052
>>81539272
Not true.
>What is welfare, food stamps, WIC, claiming kids on taxes, educational programs, Medicaid, section 8?
It's easy and doable to have a child while poor.
I've been in the lower middle class to poorfag levels before and it never stopped me from wanting a child. It didn't stop me from having one with my spouse either.
>>81536341
Heavy taxation on overseas labor and importation.
Problem solved.
>but rich people will threaten to leave!
Their assets get seized if they don't pay their taxes.
>>81536341
Free college duh, when everyone is smart they can get good jobs
>>81536341
kill programs that give jobs and college positions to unworthy recipients... looking at you affirmative action
>>81536341
Wealth redistribution
>>81538615
>$100,000
Sooo $30,000 American
>>81536341
This is a stupid statistic, this includes stay at home moms/father's elderly who are on retirement money, children and teens who make nothing.
>>81540288
51% of Americans on welfare is no way to sustain the system or the government in general. Especially when they are taking more from the system than giving.
>>81540435
If everyone is smart, then smart becomes the new average and no one is smart.
>>81540472
People would revolt due to the communist principality.
>>81540269
Considering that in the USA 35% is already morbidly obese, I think most people in your country have less than half a brain.
>>81540249
I don't really have any advice. I'm 30 on social security. At your age I was making like 30k doing tech support though.
>>81536341
We don't make anything anymore and our money isn't backed by gold.
>>81540080
The Miracle Machines would be made by other Machines in the factory in Thailand with maybe 15 employees that make sure the Machines making the Machines don't break. They would be sold to the private hospital, who would then fire their highly inefficient and expensive surgeon.
That Surgeon, with no "marketable skills" now has to seek employment in the "service sector" as a delivery driver for Dominos.
But Dominos is losing money since nobody is buying its pizzas. They have no jobs you see so can't afford its 5.99 deals. After all, why spend 5.99 on a pizza, when you can spend 3.99 on a pound of lentils grown in Mexico.
Former brain surgeon makes few deliveries, has to default on his mortgage and student loans. As consequence, the holding financial company has to declare bankruptcy. The accountant for that company is laid off and has to get a job in the "Service Sector" at McDonalds.
But McDonalds has just bought miracle machines that turn their franchises into automated food processing units. Accountant loses his job at McDonalds.
As consequence, he can no longer afford to eat at McDonalds. The local Franchise goes bankrupt as people stop eating at it since they are spending all their disposable income on Mexican Lentils. The computer programmer for the McDonalds franchise computers is fired since the Franchise can no longer afford to pay his wages.
That programmer defaults on his student loans. Another bank goes bankrupt.
And then the Surgeon, the Accountant and the Programmer meet in a dive bar, get drunk together, talk about how shit things are, get mad, go out on the streets, grab pitchforks, torches and piano wire, and march on the State Capital.
>>81540584
>then smart becomes the new average and no one is smart.
I can't believe they let you vote. :/
>>81540472
Shh, this is an American thread. No solutions allowed.
>>81540286
They hate poor people, and no Leftist wants 15 min wage overnight, they want it to steadily increase over a number of years coupled with other breaks to minimize the impact on jobs.
>>81536341
Increase the demand for, and therefore price of, labor by getting women out of the workplace. While not a complete solution, it is a necessary facet of one.
>>81540857
i was lackadaisical in the past and never finished college. i need about 6 more months to pay off my college debt. I don't have any degree, I dropped out after 3 years. Trump winning will probably give me incentive to join military, but what I really want is a successful business, a great idea just hasn't hit me yet.
>>81536341
>Is it really the poor's fault
well...yeah. Its the even poorerers fault.
This. Is. My. Boy. Right. Here >>81539116
>>81536341
That's not poverty. That's fucking rich by humanity's standards.
We are so fucking spoiled...
Encouraging more abortions, rather than making them much harder to get, would stop a lot of "doomed" babies in poverty-racked households from being born in the first place. why do the GOP try so hard to get rid of a population that is everything they say they are against, plus will likely vote DEM?
Also, making birth control WAYYYY eaiser to get will have a similar effect.
> bottom line, there are way too many people in this country and way too many of them have no hope of ever having proper job skills, thus will forever be on the dole. Let's do what we can to stop them from existing in the first place.
>>81539990
You're advocating theft, not commerce.
>>81538661
the government gives me less than that but also awesome insurance that saves me a shit ton of money as i have a few thousand dollars in prescriptions per month.
Per the Census Bureau, the median income in the US about $52,000 per year, the article is either misrepresenting an obscure statistic or outright lying. I don't understand how this thread got to 60 replies without anyone checking the articles' accuracy.
/pol/ is such cancer nowadays.
>>81541427
shut up grandma
>>81541517
>kill more babies
smart plan you got there.
>>81542144
That's the median income you retard, that adds upper class income into the mix.
>>81542600
>that adds upper class income into the mix.
Upper class people are Americans too, no?
>>81541282
A forklift license will bump you up to 25k.
Look up trucking. It pays very good, and you can get training at big discounts.
And always trades, spend a year learning a trade and you'll start at 30k at the very least.
>>81542682
Factoring in the 1 percent is not representative of the average american.
>including the 30% nigger population we have into this
>>81542682
>being this stupid
51% of Americans can be earning 31,000 and the median can still be 50,000 because the 1% has a shut load of money so it makes the median higher even if half of Americans arnt earning it, so both statistics can be correct
>>81542851
>so both statistics can be correct
So you understand why dick-waving around statistics is a stupid thing to do in the first place?
>>81542144
I don't understand why people don't check the sources of the articles to verify the information instead of spouting their memesearch.
Wage Statistics for 2014
https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2014
The national average wage index (AWI) is based on compensation (wages, tips, and the like) subject to Federal income taxes, as reported by employers on Forms W-2.
>>81542820
Says who? Upper class Americans are Americans, thus they must be included when crunching numbers using American statistics.
>>81542915
Statistics can be useful if you don't have autism and know how they work.
>>81542144
>>81542851
>the median *household* income
Read before you post. Households usually have 2 people working. OP's statistic is based on 1 person working.
So yeah, that comes to about the same as what OP said.
Both stats can be right, but not for that reason.
>>81543017
Correct, however the statistic in OPs argument is quite invalid.
>>81539116
Holy fuck, this is not the 18th century ffs.
Are you 15?
>>81543114
How so?
See >>81542961
>>81542998
>>81543114
My argument was that half of Americans make less than 30K, it is valid. Your argument is that the median income of all Americans is 52k, that is true but not what I was arguing at all.
>tfw they let these people vote.
>>81536341
I was in that "boat" with 2 4 year degrees, I wanted to break into fisheries science, but, I had to take a job making god damn 13.69/hr in order to get ANY work in the discipline. I could have made way more money just fishing, but, I wanted to do the science side of it too. Got lucky, I was that "American Dream" guy, I worked hard and after 6 years I managed to land a job making 52K/year (couple of job changes on the way).
I dunno, 52 isn't a lot for some shit like engineers or whatever, but, I own a house and don't struggle to pay bill so it's alllll good. And I get paid to fuck around with fish in the river for a living, so it's fun and low stress.
>>81543114
Ops statement is invalid because it factors in elderly who earn nothing, stay at home parents, teenagers/children and welfare whores. But the fact is both the 50,000 median statistic and the 51% of Americans earning 31,000 statistic can be true, as 1% of Americans has the equal wealth of more then half of the rest of the population.
>>81543342
>Your argument is that the median income of all Americans is 52k, that is true
Wrong
see >>81543025
>>81536341
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LFWA64TTUSM647S
33% of americans don't work
>>81537867
Software pays well.
>>81543137
Can it really not be that simple?
>>81543471
It isn't even a median household statistic retard it is a median income of an american, not a household
>>81543423
OF WAGE EARNERS
51.42903 PERCENT OF WAGE EARNERS HAVE A NET COMPENSATION OF LESS THAN $30,000.00
SEE >>81542961
Wage Statistics for 2014
https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2014
The national average wage index (AWI) is based on compensation (wages, tips, and the like) subject to Federal income taxes, as reported by employers on Forms W-2.
>>81543137
95% of jobs are not that hard
all they take is critical thinking skills and maybe 6 months of training
>>81543603
Even with it being wage earners, there are plenty of VP billionaires that skew the statistics that are getting wage
Become communists. Or deport those fags who make billions by doing nothing worthy in wall street.
>>81543585
hurr durr
>The U.S. Census Bureau reported in September 2014 that: U.S. real (inflation adjusted) median **********household********* income was $51,939 in 2013 versus $51,759 in 2012, statistically unchanged. In 2013, real median household income was 8.0 percent lower than in 2007, the year before the latest recession.
>>81536341
how the fuck do they live on that
>>81543869
>make billions by doing nothing
Liberals believe this.
>>81543897
Are you seriously retarded? We are *not* talking about household averages. We are talking about *individual* incomes.
When I was in USA, a nice meal in a restaurant would cost about hundred bucks. A fucking cheap sandwich meal would cost 20 l dollars how the fuck can you live imwith 30k?
>>81537583
>can you live on 30k a year is the question.
Can you live on 30K a year? Yes.
Can you raise a family on 30K a year? No.
>>81539990
Sound like commie-talk to me!
>>81543897
Nice job changing what the study actually says
>The U.S. census Bureau reported in September 2014 that: U.S real (inflation adjusted) median personal income was $51,939 in 2013 versus $51,759 in 2012
>>81543579
If you want to live a extremely poor life, then yes. Traditional farming is dead. You can't compete with modern farming.
>craftmanship
That is literally autismus maximus (if you are 15 or less, you are excused)
So people will make a living making horseshoes?
>>81543749
That is why there are 52% of americans living barely above poverty rate
Because it's soo easy, right?
>>81544049
Liberals actually don't, I am not a liberal. The traders who earn just by manipulation/scams(most successful ones are scammers) don't contribute anything.
>>81544145
20 for a sandwhich? Where were you?
Most people eat shit because that's what is cheap to eat.
And people wonder why we're so fat.
>>81536341
I make nowhere near this.
Not reproducing unless I'm clearing 70k per year, which I don't see happening in the near future.
>>81544245
>>81544059
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>81544049
>make billions by doing nothing
You forgot the part "worthy"
>>81544252
The government actually gives a lot of tax incentives to start up farming companies, and they give loans out for it like they are nothing, the reason for it is the US is currently severely lacking farmers and many are not going into farming and instead are going into different career choices. The government is literally paying people large sums of money to be farmers
>>81544424
Apparently it is pretty worthy if it's creating more wealth for them
>>81536341
The fact of the matter is that you need far less than this to live in America. I make roughly 15k a year and live well enough to have funds to travel. It's the morons who can't cook, can't clean, can't fix things, can't think for themselves, have no social skills outside of shitposting on shitstagram about how ironically depressed they are every second of every day who believe they need 30 or even 50 thousand dollars per year to live on.
Naturally if I wanted to expand my personal fucking sphere to children and a wife I'd have to earn more money but so long as I remain single and fucking childless, which most of those people are OR SHOULD be OTHERWISE WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DECIDE TO HAVE CHILDREN WHEN YOU COULDNT SUPPORT THEM I don't need any more money. It merely invites more fucking problems.
And even though I don't need to qualify myself for you to believe me I will
I live in a 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment in an unincorporated part of town that doesn't receive any bus service (doesn't matter I walk to the grocery store) rent is literally half what is within "city" limits at $350 a month
I drive a fucking 2004 Buick Lesabre. Pussy does not jump at me, I gotta use charm and looks unfortunately. I do not drive unless absolutely necessary.
I pay in total $100 a month on utilities because I'm not a fuckin' moron.
I cook every single fucking meal, most of the time I cook an entire week's worth of meals at a time. I do laundry once a fucking week, on the weekend, which is when electricity rates are """"""lowered""""""
if you can't make it in this country on 30 grand a fucking year you're a goddamned fucking retard and need to actually use the fucking internet connection you pay for to educate yourself on how to do basic preventative maintenance on your possessions so they last longer. Learn to fucking cook. Learn to fucking shop for real estate. Learn fucking something you ignorant nigger-aping fuck.
>>81542851
The median is literally the number at the 50% you dumbfuck. You're thinking of average.
This thread is a waste of time, the real median is 50000.
>>81544252
Atleast you wouldn't be dependent on welfare complaining about shit pay or crying about the things you can't do in the current situation. That system doesn't even have to he permanent, just temporarily until a certain level of progress is achieved. It may be old fashioned, but what's wrong with using history to your advantage?
>>81544420
You have downs, nice job summer fag on your bait can't wait until school is back in session
>>81536341
An American that makes 30k a year is still better off than a Zimbabwean that makes 30 trillion a year.
>>81537583
I live on 30k and still save fucking 50 percent of it. And I have a kid
>>81541206
Where they are mowed down by the state's robot army.
>>81544552
>The government actually gives a lot of tax incentives to start up farming companies
He was talking about self suficiency. I asumed he was talking about traditional farming. Maybe i was wrong, or maybe i was right
>>81544162
So combining resources for the sake of group survival is commie? Even if it is, what's wrong with that?
>>81544667
Did you pass the 5th grade? No wonder people like you earn under 31,000
>>81536341
>Is it really the poor's fault that prices have skyrocketed while wages stayed the same?
yes, they suck ass at negotiating and accept low pay and high prices.
>>81540288
holy shit you are a fucking nigger.
what in the flying fuck? where are all these idiots coming from? Its fucking 12am and Ive never see this shit before.
We've got fucking boomers all over and retards who are trying to have kids while poor than raising them up to be pieces of shit because they can't fucking provide for them. The shit is wrong with this board right now
>>81544365
It was 10 but it was so small that you had to get 2. I was in Martha's Vineyard. I know it's an expensive island but Boston was much different either. Of course it was better than McDonald's.
>>81544049
It's actually true if you're a fractional reserve bankers, that's the problem
>>81544823
Couldn't you traditional farm using pot planting? Couldn't enough of those sustain a community?
I make $9.25/hr about 15k a year.
gib money plox
>>81544618
>if it's creating more wealth for them
And destroyng millions of jobs, like they did in their last little play, back in '08
>>81544683
lol, grow up kiddo.
>but what's wrong with using history to your advantage?
I thought my couuntrymen were retarded. Then i came to /pol/.
Are you seriously advocating going 2-3 centuries back in time to """""""""""""fix""""""""""""""""""" a problem of the 21st century?
>>81544735
>Have to compare themselves to niggers so they feel good
How low as america fall?
>>81545029
Who would pay them billions to do nothing, how do they have that much money and that much flow if no action is occuring
>>81544823
Yeah, although I feel as though traditional farming could even earn money as you could sell it to the retards who hate gmos and technology and say it was traditionally farmed and sell it for double the price
>>81536341
That's not even a really small amount of money.
I live in Suffolk County, NY, a notorious expensive area. I make $28k a year as a grad student. My net worth rises every paycheck as I'm not a fucking moron with my money.
If you make 30k a year you don't deserve anything in handouts.
>>81544814
How the fuck do you live on 30k a year? You live in your mommies basement? You don't have to pay for health or car insurance? Do you have to pay a property tax on your car that you own? What taxes do you owe at the end of the year?
>>81545162
>TERK ERR JERBS
>>81545162
Yes, what's the problem there? If conventional means don't work, what's wrong with using an old recipe?
>>81538615
Yea, but you live in fucking Alberta.
You can just sit on your ass in America, granted your parents weren't complete trade losers, and earn well above six figures in actual money.
No amount of money could get me to live in a shithole like Canada.
>>81545219
You can get an apartment for 300 dollars a month, food is another 400, and car insurance if you buy a car is 200 that not very much money
>>81540286
so basically, avoid the jew
>>81545087
>Couldn't you traditional farm using pot planting? Couldn't enough of those sustain a community?
On potatos, onions, cabagge, tomatos. And the rest?
Have you ever picked up a hoe (it's how google translator said, google iit if you dont know what it is) in your life? Its a job you don't want your kid to do.
>>81544976
all of the temporarily embarassed millionaires and future boot owners are in bed.
>>81545387
>You can get an apartment for 300 dollars a month
Top kek. maybe if you want to live in the hood, even then it's about $400.
Internet, water, and electricity is going to add at least $200 to that
>>81545484
Hoe is the correct word for what I'm overwhelmingly assuming you meant.
>>81545387
because everyone lives in your shitty bumfuckegypt small town.
>apartment for 300
you cant even rent a spare room for that where i live.
>>81539116
I'd be happier with teaching how to budget, knowledge of how interest and credit works, and learning how to live within your means.
Not just some shitty elective. Make it a mandatory part of the curriculum. Not doing so would be allowing a predatory system to take advantage of ignorant kids.
That, and make civics mandatory too.
>>81545387
What the fuck are you talking about? $300 for rent? Where the shit is that? Everything around me is $700+, food is about that but for two people, and $200 for insurance are you crazy its $100 for two fucking people.
I'm starting to think we are being raided by shitposting reddit users.
>>81545560
My apartment in North phoenix is 300 a month, and it is nowhere near the hood, also I don't think the 6th largest city in the United states is in bumfuck nowhere
>>81545187
>I feel as though traditional farming could even earn money
Only if it stays a niche. Traditional farming has very low yelds
>>81545311
>implying it """"""""""""worked"""""""""""""
I wish i was 15 again, like you. Those were sweet times.
>>81545387
I mean fuck's sake a buddy of mine lives in a trailer park, bought a fucking trailer for 10 grand, and his combined loan payment plus the park fee is less than I pay for rent for an apartment, something ridic like $250 a month
Granted he's gotta live near Hershey Wood, World's Fastest Hotdog Shooter but who fucking cares at that point.
>>81545484
I'm pretty sure there are stores that sell seeds and as for a hoe, i'm pretty sure minecraft taught everyone what a hoe was. And like I said, the system didn't have to be permanent.
>>81537867
Agreed. I'm 21 and make 50k/year as a full time web developer (and I haven't even finished school yet, which because of my income, I can cry ally afford to pay out of pocket and have zero debt).
I mean, yeah I get it that not everybody can be a programmer but if my dumb-ass can make 50k at 21 without a degree, these 30k chumps can probably make at least 40k if they really tried to improve their situation.
>tfw I make 32 grand a year and have a decent car and rent a 1700sq ft house and party as much as I want
30 grand isn't really poverty level, senpai. And I live in canada where cost of living is higher than probably 80% of US.
I have no savings though but I could if I wasn't yolo-ing the fuck out
>leftists import an entire proletariat
>"see? told you capitalism fails"
>>81545842
>not everybody can be a programmer
Not true. Everybody can do junior level programming. Of course there is a risk that a pajeet will take over your job for half the salary but still.
>>81545875
look up the white average btw, it's above most European countries
Still way more upward mobility than most places.
>>81545732
Stop fucking thinking you need to live -----------------in---------------- the fucking city you moron. Stop thinking you're --------------------------------too good----------------------------- to buy generic brand food or walk to the fucking store. If your insurance costs more than $70 a month you are fucking overinsured.
>>81545762
You haven't exactly gave me a valid indication that it wouldn't work.
>>81545842
How did you get that job exactly? Did someone just randomly hire your ass out of a good handshake as well? Did your parents pay for your college?
>>81546051
My insurance is 200 due to my shitty record and the type of car I drive
>>81540166
>be poorfag
> can't afford house so rent
>spend my 30k on food and insurance and maintenance for my shit car bc I can't afford a new one
> "go buy an education"
>>81537867
where do you live? when i graduated I made 44k....
>>81545219
I have a 3br house all to myself and I spend roughly $30k/year. I make $73k/year so all that extra amount goes straight into investments. I'm going to retire at 40 probably unless I just really like working at that point.
>>81546187
You don't need a new car, you just need another shitty one. Buy one for $500, when it runs out of gas, buy another shitty $500 car.
>>81546178
Well nigga I ain't a therapist I can't fix your poor life choices.
>>81546053
It would work, but life would have to regress. You can't have the perks of modern day and doing a 18th century job.
And no, traditional farming is not an idealic job.
Have you ever picked up a hoe? Have you ever tended a field?
>>81546187
If you can't live off 30k a year then you really should invest in an economics class or something.
>>81538615
Lies. Fort Mac is all rubble now.
Al's, can you get a job there with a DUI charge? I'm handy as fuck I build custom homes for a licensed guy who doesnt do shit but let me and a handful of other guys (all without a license) build it and he just brings us coffee around 10 or 11 everyday to check in on us.
>>81546051
what the fuck makes you think i want to live in the city? holy fucking shit you retards can't even realize that my location isn't fucking cheap as your location. I also live where niggerland is just across the railroad tracks. Its near a military base as well where a fucking studio is $800+ even outside of the town I am in its still around that much.
How the fuck far do you want me to fucking drive to work? 4hrs? 5hrs? maybe 10hrs just so you can be right about it?
>>81536341
>be honest
>shillb8
poverty is a condition
for some, "solving" poverty means killing every poor person - no poor no problem
for some, "solving" poverty means finding a way to divert any resources away from poor people and into their pockets while making a lot of noise and pretending to help the poor
what is poverty?
people without enough money and resources for a basic standard of living
the "solution" is to give them the money and resources but those who hate the poor will fight that tooth and nail and spend a thousand times what it would cost in making sure those poor people remain poor and dying
we have the resources and the money.
we have the ability and the technology.
we don't have anyone willing to do the right thing where it counts.
if you want real solutions you have to really get the real people who would actually DO THE RIGHT THING and get rid of these nasty shitty people who want to do nothing but turn everything into shit.
ready for another government shutdown?
obstruction, felony obstruction, is enough to arrest those vicious criminals in congress.
but you can't even get anyone to do a real solution.
all you will see is religitard missions, soup kitchens, food banks, and homeless everywhere.
anyone who would have stopped it has already been "nullified" in some way or it wouldn't have gotten this far
>>81536341
Reduce the amount of labor in the labor pool.
>>81546311
Would the regress really be major considering the benefits of the 21st century? It be like using an ancient system with advanced technology would it not? People could probably develope interesting results from that.
>>81546304
I get panic attacks and I constantly want to end my life, what is your suggestion
>>81546285
You bought a house thats great I was talking about renting you can live perfectly if you can get a house with really low payments or just completely paid off.
>>81546311
But no I haven't ever picked up a hoe, but would using a pot plant method require a hoe?
Simple:
No free trade
Tariffs, oh god the tariffs
Bomb every last mother fucker into the stone age
Ban outsourcing
Force those corporate niggers to hire Americans
The Black Death
Butlerian Jihad
people in /biz/ say that anyone can earn six figures in us if they want to wtf
How much money per hour should you need to make to live comfortably? Remember minimum wage is $7.25
Workin that for 40 hours per week all year that comes out to $13,920 per year before taxes.
$10 per hour comes out to $19,200 per year before taxes working 40 hours a week every week
$12 per hour working 40 hours per week comes out to $23,040 per year before taxes
I make $9.25 per hour
>>81546592
remove triggers, get a different lifestyle
>>81546690
Probably, a hoe is used to make dirt piles in order so seeds grow easier
>>81546592
Just be yourself bro
>>81546805
Thanks therapist
>>81538615
120k out of highschool here up to almost 200k after 10 years will be a millionaire and retired before 35.. god bless the oil sands and god bless the chinese offshore oil company
>>81546041
According to what and whose metrics?
>>81546443
Even at $1k/month, that is still only $12k/year on rent. That leaves $1500/month for all other expenses. That's extremely easy.
>food: $400
>Internet: $40
>Electric: $50
>Phone: $30
>Gas: $50
>Health Insurance $250
>Car Insurance: $40
That leaves $640/month to save up for any unexpected costs like car maintenance or healthcare emergencies not covered by insurance.
>>81546145
In still in college part time while working full time. And no parents didn't pay, I'm self funding. First 2 years were on the cheap at a community college, but now I'm at a decent university in Chicago. Costs out the ass but I can afford it for just 2 classes a semester.
I got the job because when I was 17 I landed a summer internship at a company that did eCommerce. I already knew programming basics but I learned a lot of web Dev stuff there. Kept going back to that place over the summer and winter breaks until I was 20. They payed me basically minimum up until then and when I asked for more they said they couldn't afford to pay me more than $10/hr.
So I left them, started doing contract work for a company at $20/hr. They basically just churned out Wordpress sites, which is super lame but it payed.
Then I got a full time job where I currently work at that same $20/hr rate, quickly got promoted into a development role, and got the salary I asked for, $50k. Which affords me my apartment, my continued education, and good times.
I've definitely been very fortunate but if you work hard and find something you're good at, you can get paid.
>>81546976
Is this oil thingy like the mathematician meme of /sci/?
>>81546866
Fair enough, but if it simply makes it easier, it could still be done without.
>>81547116
Lot of good those inflated salaries will do when a hole in the wall in Hongcouver goes for millions of dollars. Idiots.
>>81547116
No if you're willing to work in a camp you will get six figures a year. nexen (owned by china) doesn't have one single position for less than $105k/yr right now and boiler certified welders are starting at $90/hr. This place is literally everything you hear and more. 10% flat income tax that doesn't even kick in until $30k/yr and no sales tax. Highly recommended if you're white.
>>81547234
BC doesn't have oil there's a mountain range inbetween us and honcouver, houses are the Canadian average ~$350k.in Alberta
>>81547316
I want money not figures
>>81536341
This is just a result of changing demographics. As the percentage of low-IQ brown people increases, the percentage of economically productive people decreases. If we gassed all non-whites, American per-capita income would be in the high 50k range.
>>81547107
Slight correction: when I said 2 classes a semester I meant 2 classes a quarter, so I'm finishing my remaining 2 years of school over the course of 4 years since I'm part time, but I really enjoy my life right now so I don't mind.
>>81537583
Depends on where you live.
>Urban Area
>30k = poverty
>Rural
>30k = rich
I used to live in Idaho and rented a 1 bedroom, 1 kitchen, 1 living room, 1 bathroom apartment for $250.00 USD a month.
The same would cost over 1,000 USD a month in most cities.
>>81536341
I'm not surprised. Most of the work done by people is done using specialized software. Employers teach unskilled workers to use a program. That's is part of the reason for the wage gap too. Skilled workers make the software and of financial decisions and they get the big paycheck because they are familiar with it and training people in those positions takes time. With the way things are going, AI will take over call centers and custom service. We have the luxury of passing off the wage gap and things like it as just "lazy and stupid poor people". But this is going to get worse and eventually huge problem. I see the invention of welfare states as a way for the banks to counter this issue. If more politicians were to fix the issue with liberal and corrupt universities seriously then maybe things could change. Or if other artificially created loan programs were regulated. And it troubles me to say that as a believer in small government but banks and their pawns are so wrapped up into enslaving us that a strong government is the first step. Then after the problem has been solved, a even stronger man to give the power back to the people.
Trump 2016
>>81547490
This map is stupid considering the fact that nobody in this region and also in Europe takes iq tests
>>81536341
I make like 8k a year and I live just fine.
>>81536341
How exactly do you not live off 30000 USD a year? I live off 15000 usd (or 20k NZD) half of which goes to rent, and the rest is for everything else, and I still manage to save thousands every year.
Most poor people are terrible spenders and actively spend more money than they earn, while the rich only spend a small fraction of their wealth while adding more than they spend.
Money management should be a required class for all children, but then banks wouldn't like that.
>>81547480
Halliburton American company is hiring truck drivers for $80k/yr right now and they will ship and train you from anywhere in Canada if you meet their health check. They have to do this because even though unemployed is 7% $80k/yr truck jobs won't get applications here. We have the highest net worth in North America by a very large margin most of our parents worked in the oil and gas and I only have a few friends that didn't inherit a house and a very decent chunk of change. I can only imagine what it will be like 200 years from now.
>>81547524
You can live on $30k in some urban areas, such as Dallas. Most people are just too stupid with money and confuse wants with needs. If you are willing to go without overrated luxuries like ridiculous phone plans, cable TV, and fancy cars, you can live very cheaply in the US. Even healthcare can be affordable if you go with the high-deductible plan and just save up the out-of-pocket maximum in a HSA.
You guys are terrible at managing money, I make 100,000 a year and I can easily survive off of it
>>81539269
Your blue overloads keeping the border wide open to keep the job market flooded with desperate poor immigrants that'll work for nothing and then send the money out of the country is what fucks your wages son.
You're a useful idiot of the administration.
>>81536341
I earn 12k/month and barely manage to keep over water.
>>81536341
>How do we solve poverty /pol/?
Neoliberal economics has poverty built in.
Poverty is a structural feature of Capitalism. It cannot function without poverty.
>>81547762
dallas isn't cheap anymore. it's $1000 a month for rent. oh and expect weekly breakins by dindus
>>81547791
>not recognizing the difference between $100,000 and $30,000>>81547834
>>81544814
Jesus fuck how. My GF and i made 97000 last year and we live paycheck to paycheck. medicore 3 bedroom townhouse a 2009 hatchback and 2014 suv thats it. no vacations no boat no nothing...
> be me engineer making 60k out of college at big oil service company
>get laid off
> now making 28k as a salesman for a beer distributing company
> can't wait for oil to come back
>>81547952
It can actually. Nobody needs extreme capitalism, nothing extreme is good. But yeah it can't function without massive income gap.
>>81547622
The map was made by Richard Lynn. His research team carried out IQ testing in dozens of countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn
>>81548030
>medicore 3 bedroom townhouse a 2009 hatchback and 2014 suv
sage
Stop corporate welfare. Do away with all the regulation that prevents people from getting jobs and founding a business
>>81548100
>Albania
Oh boy.
>>81548109
a six year commuter car is poverty tier
THEY JUST NEED MORE COLLEGE DEGREES
>>81536790
>>81548006
I rented out a 2 bedroom apartment in Plano for $900 total. A luxury apartment in Plano went for about $1k/month. No dindus nearby that I ever saw. You can buy a 3br house here for $170k.
I smoke weed. Smart enough, not exceptionally. Tried coding but I'm shit at math. Don't want to work in oil. Too fucked in math for school. Yo ho ho, a povert's life for me.
I'll probably just kinda fuck off until i die. It's working out.
Syrian refugee
>>81546771
I make $11.50 and have 3/4 years of my college paid for and have $11k in the bank. Living at home fucking rules
I just have a severe anxiety problem. I get ridiculously nervous in interviews and I get really depressed whenever I make a mistake at a job, so I started doing something fairly easy. It pays less, but at least I am not stressing as much.
>>81545167
>Who would pay them billions to do nothing
they pay themselves, the system is set up to where they can wave a pen and create money out of thin air. It's causing a massive devaluation of our money and it's the source of the wealth gap that liberals bitch about so much
>>81548205
Kek bunch of retards.
>>81548030
>I have 2 brand new cars
>why am I having financial troubles?
For fucks sake, I've never owned a car with less than 100k miles on it. They work just fine. you don't need fancy-ass new cars.
>>81548376
every man should drive a brand new full size truck in my opinion and that's generally accepted here
lel
I make $100k a year, only spend $20k a year, and I live in fucking SEATTLE.
>>81546771
No one cares, work harder. Minimum skills minimum wage
people, not households
fucking idiots
>>81537583
I only make $35k a year and I live comfortably. I have pretty nice stuff and I've always got money to blow on pc parts vidya, anime figures, and booze. All paid for, no credit card bullshit. I know people making 3-4 times my income that are flat broke and sweating to pay their bills, and everything nice they own was bought on credit.
Back in my 20s I made $20k a year for a while. Money seemed to go further back then but I only struggled if I was between jobs or something. I still had spending money and I had bad habits back then, I used to smoke weed and cigs. I was also a heavy drinker back then, too.
People bitching about income inequality are always terrible with money/credit or they're dumbasses that shit out kids when they can't even afford a car and act surprised when life gets too hard.
>>81548100
What I mean is testing enough people from each country for reliable data would take decades.
>>81546976
How is.cost of living comparing to California residence? What differs in everyday living?
I know I should do some.research first but I want to know just essentially the basics from someone who lives there
>>81536341
>How do we solve poverty /pol/?
Smash capitalism.
I'm 26 I make about 20,000 a year. Currently trying to get a union job that would be double that, + benefits. I'm already skilled enough, I've been told, but I need to get an 'in' with the right union guys. I know a couple of guys that can vouch for me, I've only been living here a year so I need a bit more than that.
I dropped out of high school and bummed around until I was 24, it was pretty pathetic. I finally got (most of) my shit together and I'm working hard to make up for my past failures. Meanwhile, friends my age have outpaced me; that motivates me to try and do better. I got lucky, having friends and family that didn't give up on me, even though I was a lazy sack of shit.
>>81536341
That's gotta suck, im not rich by no means but I've already cleared $42k this year.
>>81547670
A wizard is amongst us boys. Show me your battlestation you beautiful bastard.
>In the USA you need to have more than 30k a year to live
tip top kekkity i live fairly comfortably with 12k here.
Are prices that fucked there?
>>81547048
>food: $400
yes
>Internet: $40
no $50-60
>Electric: $50
No $200
>Phone: $30
more like $65 for basic everything plan if you own your own phone
>Gas: $50
Not everyone has cheap alternatives such as Gas its all electric usually here.
>Health Insurance $250
more than that prob about $350+ if you get into any issues such as going into the doctor to a procedure its going to cost extra which i have had to have done so add extra on-top of that
>Car Insurance: $40
$100
>Car inspections
$50+ depending if you need something fixed
>Car property taxes
$300
>Yearly taxes
$500
>College loan
$100
>car payment
$200
I made nearly $70k right out of college in the midwest. I got sick of working in investments, however, and wanted to do something positive; I now work in public health, but make under $45k. My current job benefits society in a much greater way, but I'm rewarded with much less money. That's one problem that should be fixed. Capitalism is about making money because you're providing some good or service that's in demand. Public health is not a demand, it's a necessity that no one wants to pay for. I can't stay in this job my whole life, so they'll probably get someone much less competent than me when I quit, and I hate that. An industry like public health should have the best and brightest, but the investment is just not there.
>>81536341
Slap companies that have ridiculous requirements for braindead jobs, which leads to everyone competing over mcjobs which only have a few bullshit requirements.
>Master's degree required to write summaries of shit in the intelligence community, a task a high schooler passing honors english could do
>>81547107
>I got the job because when I was 17 I landed a summer internship at a company that did eCommerce.
Well you got lucky kiddo because I never had that chance. Good luck with your future.
>>81548477
minimum is $7.25
Factory job is like $16 at the most.
What do you want?
>>81537583
depends on where you live and if it's just you by yourself but yes it is easily doable.
DESU short of a new industry, or massive protectionist laws anything that requires basic data analysis or labor is going to be automated/outsourced in the coming 2 decades. Everyone from research to gas pumpers is fucked.
The average worker cannot negotiate better wages. Until prices stabilize(LOL) it's only going to get worse.
>22 years old
>making 40k with muh 10 hrs weekly overtime
>doing better than the majority of the US
Waht
>>81548721
Obviously the numbers will vary. All of those are based on what I pay, so its not impossible.
>$200 on electric
You are using too much power. Seriously I cool my 1500 sqft in summer in Texas for less than $100/month.
>Not everyone has cheap alternatives such as Gas its all electric usually here.
I meant gas for your car. My house is all electric. I still don't spend fucking $200 a month.
>>Car inspections $50+ depending if you need something fixed
So $5 a month? Hardly worth writing out a whole line for that.
>>Car property taxes $300
Live in a not shit state. That is a ridiculous amount to pay for car taxes.
>>car payment $200
If you are poor, you cannot afford a fancy car. Buy a beater off craigslist for under $2k. If you can't afford to buy it in cash you can't afford it.
>>81536341
You tell me.
My dad works a driving job and he has to supply his own truck. Take away the truck payments and he would break even.
I cannot even find a entry-level job around where I live. Everything is taken.
I cannot start up my own company because that takes too much money and legal preparations.
As I see it, the free market is dead.
>>81548713
Near major metros? Yea. Housing alone is fucking dumb.
In the boonies? It's not that bad. But finding a steady job is tricky. Most mining/factory/oil towns burnout after a decade. Making home purchases risky.
>>81536341
meanwhile on pol everybody make at least 100k per year.
>>81549182
>You are using too much power. Seriously I cool my 1500 sqft in summer in Texas for less than $100/month.
I don't live in Texas.
>If you are poor, you cannot afford a fancy car. Buy a beater off craigslist for under $2k. If you can't afford to buy it in cash you can't afford it.
sorry m8 i couldn't do that. For one reason the beater if it breaks down I'll be paying a shitload more just trying to get it fixed and downtime from not going to work. It was a risk assignment on my part as when I got the car I was in a somewhat new area no references for a good mechanic or know of any. Its a huge fucking risk.
>>81548544
>Reliable data
You don't need to test everyone in the country to get reliable IQ data. A few hundred randomly selected people will give you a country's IQ to within a 3 IQ point margin of error, this is due to the fact that IQ is genetic and the people within a homogeneous country are very similar genetically.
Lynn's IQ maps are more useful for characterizing general continental patterns in human intelligence, rather than giving extremely precise estimates for individual countries. In general, the further north you go, the smarter the humans who live there. Winter has obviously had an extremely eugenic effect on human intelligence, especially among farmers.
>>81548090
>It can actually.
Neoliberalism can't, but other forms of Capitalism can.
Stop chasing the dollar and embrace poverty. As miss Joplin said "poor is just another word for nothing left to Lose"
Money only has power because we give it power. If we stopped, the majority of wealth/power held by the "elite" would instantly be redistributed to the people.
Most of the world's problems would also be fixed.
>Climate change - bullshit industry making shiney things you don't need.
>Immigration - people generally love their birthplace and want to live there. Corrupt global affairs/economics force them to chase societies with more money.
>Degeneracy - caused largely by dehumanisation which is directly associated with people caring more about what they have rather than positive human interaction.
Etcetera, etcetera
I am very rich.
I make $2000 every year
>>81549470
Yeah I know, couple hundred from each country is still a lot.
Is this bounded to working people aged 25+? Becuse of course kids, teenagers and pensioners are going to drag that figure down.
>>81549439
You're so full of excuses. You can find plenty of used cars for cheap that are still in good condition and won't just break down. Rarely do cars just "break down" anyways. Modern cars quit after a few thousand miles of giving you very obvious signs that there is something wrong. If the car has less than 200k miles on it, it is almost always cheaper to maintain it than to buy a newer one.
>>81549598
where the fuck even is your country
>>81549598
>shitty mattress with blanket and pillow
>guitar
>battlestation
What more could a man ever need?
>>81549736
His 2k is equivalent to your 10
>>81536341
It's simple. Build a wall.
If you make 30 and have kids, you make a good bit more than that after earned income tax credits, child tax credits, free school lunches, free daycare in some states, and other gibs.
The people who are really getting screwed are single americans making more than 50 and families with 80+.
>>81549716
Alright big man I just got into a car accident and I needed a car within 2-3 weeks in a new area I might add. How exactly would you have me move forward my no excuses man?
I mean who knows I could have fucking bought a nice craggslist car that was a leemon that was about to shit itself and have to shell out more money and waste my time some more!
>>81545167
To add to that, here is a more specific explanation:
The fractional reserve system means banks only have to have 10% of what they loan out on reserve. That means if a bank has $100,000 on reserve, it can loan out $900,000 dollars at interest, adding new money to the money supply which gets back back to themselves with interest.
So in other words, they make billions for doing nothing. It has the dual effect of breaking our free market system while at the same time scapegoating it that it doesn't work, which makes it easier for them to push socialism and bailouts.
>>81549598
F L A R E R A G
One thing I don't understand about people who complain about minimum wage and purchasing power parity is if the dollar holds so much more value in certain locations in the U.S, why don't you move there if you don't make a lot of money?
A bus ticket two states away is only 70-100$ depending on the time of year, internet is so easily accessible that you can do solid research on where you're moving to, and if you're truly so poor and woeful with your current living conditions, then maybe complaining that others should help you isn't the solution to your problems, but instead helping yourself and moving to where the jobs/better living conditions are at is the answer.
