Why can't millennials afford to rent without financial support from their parents?
Because business owner wants another ferrari yacht while he abuses you for minimum wage. If they could pay people lower they would.
OHIO
>>81525577
Wrong!
Because landowning middle class boomers want to get fat and lazy off just renting out apartments.
Property tax should be ten times or twenty times the amount for any property that currently has no one residing in it.
>>81524399
Because they're useless.
>>81524399
bc minimum wage is $8
>>81524399
>people living on minimum wage deserve to have a 1 bedroom apartment to themselves
>>81525974
>people living on minimum wage should live two per bedroom in bunkbeds
?????
>>81526057
If that's all that they can afford, then that's what they deserve.
>makes min wage
>spouse that also works min wage
>Owns 2 cars and a motorcycle
>has apartment
>both millennials
You were saying?
>>81524399
>tfw I live in Hawaii
>tfw it's so expensive my parents make me pay them rent
who else here /shittyparents/?
>>81524399
Because they are fucking losers
>>81525577
>>81525793
The answer is a little bit of both of these. Boomers inflated housing prices hence ruining our dreams of owning a reasonably priced house and starting a family, and we have also seen a crazy rise in productivity while seeing stagnating wages after around the 70's when it became hip to be a bootlicker.
>>81524399
GET A FUCKING ROOMMATE HOLY FUCK
>>81525793
You realize they roll property tax into the rent right?
>>81524399
>tfw live in a comfy 54* state
Because cost of living has gone UP , and WAGES stayed the same
Btw this doesn t happen only in the US , also in europe ( mostly south europe )
>>81526330
Rent is nearly a grand monthly for a 1 bedroom so I'm stuck living with my gf's auly paying $400/mo for a 10ftx10ft room.
>>81526330
>having a roommate in a one bedroom apartment
Because anyone working for minimum wage is a literal retard with nothing to offer society. They therefore deserve to have shit for housing.
>>81526400
Yes, and property tax for a decent piece of property (in my state) is like 400 a year. Many people list their houses/apartments for rent, for $1000-1500 a month. They sit on it and don't let it go lower, they will go a year or two with that property listed instead of letting it go lower, because they can afford to take the cost of waiting.
The idea is to penalize that. Want to keep a property empty for an entire year? That's 4k.
>>81524399
Because Baby boomers AKA hippie and commie generation ruin their country
>>81526606
Why do you deserve your own room when are worth literally the absolute minimum amount possible?
>>81526589
Is it true that there are a lot of 30+ yr old men living with their parents in Italy? or is this just a meme?
>>81524399
>hours needed at minimum wage
40 hours a week at $7.25 an hour is $1160 a month. If you are working minimum wage you qualify for some gibs to ease some of the other costs.
It says 59 hours/week for my state which would be $1711 per month. Just googling for apartments I can find lots for 500-800 a month in the city.
So this chart is dumb. Sure, you'll be poor as fuck but you're not going to be homeless. And this is bare minimum wage.
>>81526057
No they should share a cardboard box under a freeway.
>>81526182
You don't even know what a millennial is...
>>81526216
you're parents are posting somewhere about their shitty kid
>>81526847
anyone born between 83'-2000
>>81524399
>minimum wage should give me a cushy life
I hope this socialist bullshit will be canceled under Trump.
>>81526773
Every adult deserves privacy.
>>81524399
wage suppression due to immigration. Also, most millenials should be living with room-mates right now, not mooching off their parents.
>>81524399
REAL REASON
*****
BECAUSE THE SHIT HEADS CAN'T STOP BUYING GADGETS, GIZMOS, AND FAST FOOD CONSTANTLY SO THEY NEVER HAVE ANY FUCKING MONEY.
NOR DO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT SAVING IS.
********
>m-muh boombers t-they make me blow it all on mcdoubles and iPhones!!
Sure give them some of the blame but not all of it you self-control lacking pinheaded consumertards.
>>81524399
Notice how states with the higher minimum wages are on average harder to afford rent in.
>>81524399
>hours needed to afford* a one-bedroom unit
>* Afford means can afford a one bedroom unit that is only 30% of your total income
>>81527047
>being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment is a cushy life
>>81527047
Cushy, no, but for a single mother or working class family who find themselves trapped working 60 hours a week without time to pursue more training or an education, the minimum wage is not enough.
It is not enough for a student of any subject either, unless they want to wrack up massive debt that will effect their ability to spend money after college, which by the way, is a key component that drives our economy.
My grandfather lived in an era where major corporations trained and educated workers instead of relying on schools or trade colleges. I do not know why we have forsaken this ideal. You shouldn't have to wrack up debt for an entry level job just because corporations can't be bothered to support education, let alone provide it.
My father was born into an era were he spent summers on the farm raising cattle. After he sold his heffers at the beginning of fall, he had enough money to pay more than his next full term.
So not all of us who bemoan the minimum wage think it should provide a "cushy" lifestyle. Even 10.50 provides around $18,000 a year, which is not enough money to provide for a healthy lifestyle, kids, or to save up money.
One should not have to spend half their paycheck on rent or work 60 hours to support kids regardless of your views on family, careers, or education
Think before you speak.
>>81526330
I'd rather live with my parents than some randoms t.b.h.
33% of your income is the recommended amount to spend on rent, not including utilities and other required expenses.
>>81524399
If I'm stuck with a minimum wage job for the rest of my life (and I probably will be), I'll probably wind up moving to either Oregon or Maine.
Maine because it's closer, but if I can get by working less hours, that will be what I do.
>>81526815
Why do corporations rely on society to pick up the check for social benefits instead of paying a livable wage like they used to?
My grandfather had an entry level job yet he bought a small home with it after just a few years. Meanwhile, at McDonalds, they give you a pamphlet on how to apply for public assistance.
>>81527846
>a single mother
Stopped reading there. This isn't reddit, kid.
My rent is 668$ a month, and I make the min wage in my state 8.50$/hour I work usually 49 hours a week so about 415$ a week (before taxes) but I get paid weekly too. I can easily afford 668$ a month, and afford my 70$ insurance, my 50$ power bill and my 100$ internet.
All you gotta do is not eat fucking McDonald's everyday and buy shit you don't need like junk food. If you cannot figure this out, you deserve to be poor.
There is no such thing as infinite growth. There has to be a voluntarily worldwide population decline, or else we overshoot Earth's carrying capacity and have a mass die-off.
>>81524399
HUD housing has inflated housing costs.
>>81527278
I honestly only hear this argument from children who have never left their parent's homes and don't know what it is like to try to save money for a future when 1/2 or 3/4 of your paycheck goes to renting a shitty apartment in one of the cheapest neighborhoods. Until you know the fear of living paycheck to paycheck, don't comment in these threads.
>>81525683
O-H-I-O
>>81527756
It is. If you're human garbage with no skills, there is no way you should be able to afford your own place
>>81527846
How about some self-development? There is literally no reason to work 60 hours a week on a minimum wage if you can take a break, master new skills and work normal 40 hours a week but having $10-14/hour payment.
>>81528053
Ignore the first sentence then because I'd love to see you have an actual argument to the rest of it
Until then:
>Not an argument
>>81526773
Every human is entitled to privacy.
>>81528354
That was my point. How can a family member that is supporting a whole family afford to take such a break? How can a first generation college student?
Breaks to "better yourself" and get that 14/hour job are only afforded to the affluent
>Millennials get job and start working
>the job market is shit right now forcing millennials to take whatever they can get, often ending up putting many in low wage jobs
>wages have stagnated over the years while the prices of things have continued to rise
>"God why do so many millennials live with their parents, lazy fucks"
>>81524399
> millennial
> work 40+ a week
> pay all my rent and bills without help
Kill yourself
>>81528515
>How can a family member that is supporting a whole family afford to take such a break?
Maybe you should think with your brain and not a dick first?
>>81528302
>All this rent talk
>I pay $250 a month
I love this state
>>81528669
>Maybe you should think with your brain and not a dick first?
Some of us would at least like to consider having a family before we turn 30 or 40. I don't want my kids to grow up without grandparents and then lose me when they are just starting college.
>>81526773
>>81526155
>>81526823
>>81528053
>>81528354
These people would be in jail or sucking dick if mommy and daddy weren't there for them, and they have the nerve to just assume everyone who makes minimum wage is there for being lazy.
>>81526681
$400 a month sounds like a dream anon,
I pay $5000+ for 1.5 acres and 3 bedrooms where I live.
unincorporated county.
>>81528490
I can make false statements to.
Your mother doesn't like taking my warm cummy injections up her pooper.
>>81528669
No one should have to chose between having a family and living above poverty. Simple as that.
>>81526057
its 2 per bedroom, seperated apart if you work for Vail Resorts, but you can work at any of their places around the country or world so its kinda fun. Good for gtfoing the house if thats what youre trying
>>81528814
Then that's your goal, work harder for it.
You aren't entitled to everything.
That being said, these sociopathic people who think that basic human needs are luxuries should really go away and ask mommy for ice cream money
>>81528989
No one should choose to have a family they cannot financially support. If you aren't well off maybe consider not having kids. Simple as that.
>>81524399
Because they live in cities no one except those with six figure salaries can afford to stay. Rent in America is dirt cheap if you are willing to live in smaller towns.
>>81528949
Can you also type in English correctly TOO?
>Human beings aren't entitled to privacy
Mind if take yours then?
>>81525683
>>81528302
>>81528682
hi friends, Dayton here
>>81528834
>These people would be in jail or sucking dick if mommy and daddy weren't there for them
I started to earn my own money since 15. At 20 I already used to earn more than my single mom who worked for the government.
>>81528989
>>81528814
>having a family before we turn 30 or 40
If you still earn the minimum wage at 30 I'd strongly recommend suicide.
>>81529120
I don't disagree but again, the deck is still stacked for the affluent. Simply shouting "work harder!" at the son of an immigrant who can barely put food on the table after 60 hour work weeks and can't educate his son or send him to a private school or save up for college doesn't really fix anything
All that kid can hope for is lucking out with some scholarship or hope to god he has brains.
>>81529228
I don't disagree waiting until it is financially prudent to have children at all. However, the fact is most families cannot pursue both an education and a family at the same time at our current minimum wage.
It is economically destructive. When people rack up debt instead of buying goods and services, or homes, our society hurts.
>One bedroom unit
>not sharing a 4 bedroom unit and splitting the cost 4 or even 5 ways.
>Not also getting gov't gibs
I mean atleast try
Two reason really:
They insist on living places with insane costs of living like San Francisco or New York
They got useless vanity degrees with zero job prospects.
I pay $200 for rent and have no financial support from my parents. Work harder you scum.
>>81529239
so true, I know someone that pays $250 per month for a 500sqft studio because they live in a small rural city.
>>81528949
>I can make false statements to.
But every human is entitled to privacy. That isn't false.
>>81529228
>No one should choose to have a family they cannot financially support.
What if a woman is raped and cannot access an abortion because Republicans have shut down all abortion clinics in a hundred-mile radius?
>>81529463
Akron here buddy.
>>81529490
Why do you still live in America? North Korea and Venezuela are waiting for you
>>81524399
>tfw New Jersey
At least it's better than Hawaii...
>>81529489
But that is my point. If you finish college at 23, have to work 4-5 years in a shit sucky job as more and more major corporations turn to temp agencies to deprive workers of a sufficient wage and benefits, then the best you can hope for is to score a better job and THEN start a family
My grandpa started his at 17 my dad at 26 (my age) and it scares the hell out of me that I won't be anywhere close to that given the current economy. And I have some relatable skills. Just can't get anything saved.
>>81529840
Come on. That's not an argument. We disagree about a fundamental but I wish you would consider my point of view instead of resorting to trolling.
www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4t48xh/millennials_will_spend_53000_on_rent_before_age/
>Millennials will spend £53,000 on rent before age of 30: Resolution Foundation says baby boomers spent just £9,000, in report that highlights struggle of young people to buy a home
It's all fucked. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
>>81529489
Nice humble brag. Were your parents on Meth and Alcoholics too? Could you have gotten there if your job prospects were basically Wendy's or McDonald's?
>not getting a free flat from government
>working 60 hours a week to rent a shit flat
nice freedom burgers
>>81529823
>But every human is entitled to privacy
Show me that in the constitution.
>>81529823
>What if a woman is raped and cannot access an abortion
This is the dumbest shit I heard today. If she really wants an abortion, no one could stop her from travelling to the nearest clinic. Don't tell me she's too poor to afford a fucking bus ticket.
>>81530090
>linking to reddit
>linking to an article that doesn't adjust for inflation
kill yourself.
>>81529463
Based, who /SouthDayton/ here?
>>81529823
She was probably asking for it.
>>81528038
Because we suck the dick of corporations and believe everyone deserves what they get. Bootlickers gonna bootlick. Trickle-down-economics will definitely work next year.
>>81530002
>We disagree about a fundamental but I wish you would consider my point of view
I do know what are you talking about. You have socialist views but you don't want to live in socialist countries. You wan to destroy successful countries with socialist policies
>the best you can hope for is to score a better job and THEN start a family
This is exactly how it supposed to be. You're not an animal, you should control your instincts or at least use condoms
>>81529823
>shut down all abortion clinics in a hundred-mile radius?
Agreed, this is a problem. That radius size should be 10,000 miles.
>>81526216
I live in Hawaii and I fucking paid rent to my parents because they fucking needed the money.
Stop being a fucking parasite.
>>81530188
>Humans aren't entitled to privacy.
Is it ok for me to spy on you with a surveillance device from a legally acceptable vantage point? Why or why not?
>>81524399
Ive got everything handled except some healthcare bills
30k per annum reportan
Should actually be going up to 35 next month
I think I'm doing ok
>>81525953
Wait, really?
>>81529490
If they raise the minimum wage, shit is just going to cost more so you aren't going to end up gaining anything in the long run as long as you stay performing a job that pays min wage.
Raising the min wage is going to hurt everyone instead of helping. Businesses will always pass off higher of labor to the consumer, I don't know what you fucks don't understand about that.
>>81524399
Why is Nebraska such a perfect state?
>>81530605
*higher cost of
>>81530141
>Could you have gotten there if your job prospects were basically Wendy's or McDonald's?
Why would it be so? There are thousands of openings for internship and assistants where requirement are just common sense, basic understanding of some skills and a passion. Burger flipping is a nigger tier job and a white male should be ashamed of himself for doing that
Why not just join the Army if you can't afford to house yourself?
>>81530605
>Everyone who's struggling just wants gibsemdats
>Here I am in the nice life that I was helped to telling you idiots to stop being so poor all the time!
>>81524399
Georgism is the solution go look it up faggots
>>81526057
>but le just work le harder and smarter you le lazy commie fuck!!!1!!
something I didn't see mentioned in this thread:
The population went up, but, because of the huge collapse in construction because of the recession, there's too few houses and apartments to go around. There are a lot of developers building now, but they build for the high end of the market ($2000+/month in rent or mortgage) because that makes the most money. It's difficult and expensive to get permits, planning permission, prime land, and so on, so they don't use it for cheap apartments, they only build the stuff that'll give them the biggest return. And because housing, especially rental housing, is still undersupplied, rents ain't gonna drop until developers and landlords have to drop them to attract tenants - i.e., until the rich have had their fill.
sucks, but its the way of the world.
>>81526306
This
>>81530734
Where do you live where there's those kinds of openings? Southeast PA is completely fucked.
>>81524399
>up to 98 hours at 8 for one single one-bedroom unit.
PLS TRUMP SAVE AMERICA
>>81530502
Personal privacy has nothing to do with having a own living place as a human right.
>>81524399
They want to live in the most expensive places in the world, but aren't productive enough to afford to.
Imagine if you wanted to be a yacht racer, but worked part time at KFC.
>>81530789
No one helped me to get where I am today, and I'm far from being rich. But that's got nothing to do with it. I'm just saying that raising the min wage won't help if you stay at a min wage job because the cost of living is always going to increase if it cost more for businesses to pay their labor force.
>>81527674
How predictably deceptive of them.
What are you spending the other 70% on?
I eat well on $150 in groceries.
I pay $20 for internet (cheapest plan available, don't need SUPAH-FAST GAYMIN SPEEED).
I pay $10 for my tracfone.
I have minimum auto coverage for $45/month.
My computer set up, including peripherals, cost $500 and I haven't upgraded it in years (though 1366*768 is getting pretty dated).
What are you spending all this money on. I can get by with $200 in disposable income.
>>81530844
>>81527047
Livable conditions aren't cushy you dumb fuck.
Property values.
Wages staying the same while prices go up.
I delivered pizza like 30 or so hours a week and was able to afford a one room apartment in a college town.
I didn't have a ton of expendable income, but I was never miserable or behind on my bills.
I think the truth is that people have really, really expensive taste and view lots of luxuries as necessities.
>>81524399
I'm 32 and pay my mortgage in New York in a weeks work. All the bills with the second, the last 2 weeks are savings.
Younger people all studied the same arts and "hugz n' kisses" fields like psychology and psychiatric majors flooding the market with useless labor. I know more young people working trades like carpentry and plumbing making money than college grads desu senpai.
I'm a Chef. There's absolutely no reason why a college educated person is unemployable other their own stupidity and lack of diversity in their skills portfolio. STEM is a meme field as well considering how cheap Chinese and Indian labor are for those careers.
GET BACK INTO TRADES!!!!!
>>81530734
>Where I live is completely identical to everywhere else in the world!
>What do you mean there are places which don't have good opportunities for people?
>What's a drug addict?
>What's child molestation and years of personality disorders!
>Whats a trailer park?
>Poor people don't live in houses like me? Seriously?
>Only niggers do basic jobs, but you are fucking lazy if you dont do that because it's all you have.
>Of course businesses can tell you to fuck off if you don't have experience, you should have worked for your father for a while.
>What do you mean your dad wasn't there.
How out of touch can you be you stupid faggot? Not everyones life was a RPG where you chose the good ending of the bad ending.
>>81530955
Austin, TX
>Southeast PA is completely fucked
What exactly stops you from moving to other places? Even animals are smart enough to migrate in their search for food and safety
Unless you're parents are really bad, I don't see why living with them is that bad, at least until you're 25 or so
>>81524399
>>81530960
also IMAGINE if you share room with a gf in Oregon or Ohio that would be around 24 hours of work for 144 hours of fun. if you know what i mean by that.
problem is pic related
>>81524399
GET ROOMMATES
Shit ain't difficult.
Also why is McDonald's such a bad thing?
I mean I can't handle fast food, but its easy as fuck to become a manager after like 2 years, ive known people to do it.
3 years is like average turn over these days.
>work 3 years mc donalds
>become manager
either
>attempt to become a general/regional manager
Or
>take manager skills to a better job
>become a wage slave making 45k salary
At least you get pto
Or become a software engineer its only taken me 4 years to get to 35k, and I get 4 weeks pto, one week sick time a year and I'm off any day the banks closed.
Pretty cozy and I'm a college dropout :^)
I could make more if I stopped believing in startups and joined a corp
>>81528590
>my situation represents everyone so they're just lazy
Rent on my 2 bedroom apartment is $50 / month.
>>81531162
So sharing a place with other person should be considered as a violation of human right or something? Jeez, even commies weren't so entitled as you
>>81530310
/Columbus/ here
>>81528682
>>81529463
>>81525683
Best state in the union, boiz.
>>81527940
Maine sucks. I mean at least you'll be able to find plenty of minimum wage- 10.00 an hour jobs though. That's about all they have here. I'd try Oregon. Maine is deadend and a very poor state with a high ass cost of living.
>>81528669
>le just don't have le kids meme
Enjoy your population decline.
>>81531427
no dud you must set a boundary
first are roommates then bed mates the bathmates and ultimately shedmates
>>81530605
but it's not at the 1 to 1 ratio that people spit out. It'll rise but not to the point where you'll really notice it.
Notice the price at walmart rise?
No but they have raised their wages for over half a million workers by 2 bucks over the past year and a half without a noticeable rise in prices.
>>81525683
Cleveland here
Minimum wage is for starter jobs.
Starter jobs are mostly for high school kids.
If you're making minimum wage as an adult, congratulations, you've failed miserably at life.
why are none of you stupid faggots georgists yet?
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
>>81531032
The person literally said have a one bedroom and you thought that he was being a prima Donna about not wanting to share that.
Not to mention how fucking hard it is to live with someone who's fine with that, bringing in drugs or being an alcoholic, but youd probably say that you should just spend all your time finding the perfect person to live with and that's it your fault if that person still turned out bad.
It's still the poor persons fault because fuck em that's why
>>81531719
great solution edge lord
>>81530090
Even though it is a reddit link, the point is very valid. The sale of homes, goods, services all drive our economy. If /pol/ ran our economy, we would be completely stagnant.
>>81530225
See above. What the fuck are you talking about inflation for? The point is that younger generations could work an entry-level job and still have a home and plenty of food for their kids. If his comparison is to a historical wage with historical costs for goods, then why do we need to adjust for inflation? The point is, if half our paychecks go to rent (at best) how can we expect to buy homes?
>>81530416
I just don't get why there are so many people actually and adamantly in support of this ideal. /POL/ in my experience has generally rallied against the elitism that corporatism generates
>>81530451
You must be trolling. It is not a socialist ideology to support a livable wage and if you truly believe that? Then you have never had to support yourself. Its not the way it should be. We should not slave away so the rich get richer while the poor barely get by
Believe me. I'll argue all day against tax hikes against the wealthy. I've never understood why we should tax someone who worked his ass off to build a company worth a million dollars to provide for someone lazy. But that is NOT how the system actually works. Plenty of families work hard, and get nothing but bent over.
>>81530605
That has been thoroughly debunked. Don't swallow the Republican narrative completely. Lots of good ideas are obscured by lots of lies. The bottom line is spending money drives our economy. That is pure capitalism, and used as a key indicator of economic growth so I do not know how you can dispute that?
There is some iota of truth to your idea. Jacking the wage up to say $30 won't solve the problem of inflation. Magically printing more money would make us Zimbabwe. Liberals who don't get that should be castrated. But not supporting a small incremental wage increase?
>>81531381
>what exactly stops you from moving to other places?
It costs money to move and someone who is in desperate need of work cannot exactly afford to move.
>>81531311
If you're willing to be mobile, I still have confidence in any market really (that's not a total meme like liberal arts or some gay shit)
I think the trades are still strong as fuck, especially if that pipeline ever gets built from CAN to USA, pipe fitters and oil men in general will be in heavy demand.
Underwater welding is always in SUPER demand, I'm not even joking. I'm a fisheries biologist and I work in the gulf of mexico, if you're willing to weld/dive.........holy shit, some dudes make well over $100 hour
Oh another one, I used to do fish biologist shit in AK,
>diesel mechanic
If you're a GOOD diesel mechanic and you're willing to go to AK.........holy shit, you can make serious bank.
>>81524399
urban planner here. ama about current housing crisis, ive got the answers!
>>81530955
I'm curious too, I live in SE Washington with a trio of cities that amounts to 300,000 people and the only jobs are minimum wage service jobs, medical, trucking, or more minimum wage service jobs. Every odd "internship" I see is either unpaid or needs 2 years experience in some degree.
Even more disheartening -
>http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/30/news/economy/college-grads-jobs/
>Of the 11.6 million jobs created after the Great Recession, 8.4 million went to those with at least a bachelor's degree, according to a new report from the Center on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown University.
>Another 3 million went to those with associate's degrees or some college education.
>>81529840
Not an argument.
People where I live charge just above the section 8 vouchers to keep out the lazy scumbags. Usually if you have a job and are clean looking, ask and they might lower it
>>81531923
why?
Land was not created by humans. Economic community activity soaks into the land crystallizing as land values - how land values are created. This accumulated wealth is termed as economic rent. The economic rent is common, as community economic activity created the value in land, not the landowner. Thus Georgists believe that economic rent should be treated as common property (as distinct from collective or state owned property). The economic rent is reclaimed via a levy on the unimproved value of land. Georgism is clear that buildings and other improvements are exempt. The mechanism Georgists advocate to capture commonly created wealth in land is a levy on nearly the full market rental value of land (what it would cost to rent the land), based on frequent reassessments. Public ownership of land titles and public control of land are not usually considered to be within the Georgist philosophy, only the capture of commonly created wealth (economic/commons rent). The exception is in Georgist communities that make use of land value trusts, public leasing systems (e.g., Hong Kong and Singapore), and Georgist proposals for 'land value covenants'. In these cases, land-titles may be altered or be transferred to the public as a technicality. Georgists are usually opposed to taxing what they consider to be legitimate forms of private wealth, wages, or man-made capital.
>>81526182
Oh look you figured out how to apply for credit. Good for you.
>>81531803
Why do I need to find a solution for people who failed at life?
Maybe if they didn't rely on others so much they wouldn't be paid minimum wage.
>>81524399
Millennials fall in two classes of people.
A: People who grew up hearing that they can be whatever they want to be but they didn't get the memo about having to try. They went to college, majored in something in the liberal arts department, put on academic probation, had to deal with a situation where their parents really wanted them to stay in college but they didn't change. They may have eventually got a degree after 6 years, but it doesn't really make money. Its that situation where they are trucking along waiting for something. In the past, this was a husband who can support two people, but this is the present where they aren't looking for a supporting husband, and instead move from person to person that is in their same boat.
B. These are the people who grew up hearing they can be whatever they want, so they looked into which line of business makes money, and built their resume to fill out everything a successful person should have. Since women and men are equal now, they found another spouse that is in the same professional class as them because it would otherwise be weird to support the opposite sex for their entire life. These people are the ones that are successfully represent the successful life, even if people are a little less entrepreneurial these days.
You can find out pretty easy who is in what class. Unfortunately, Type A people are the loudest, arguing for the "livable wage" and government oversight on every facet of their life.
>>81529490
Shhh no truth allowed
>>81530605
A small increase, like the last minimum wage hike which you are probably too young to remember, would not result in what you are proposing. I didn't get to put that in my previous post as I had too much in it.
>>81531719
Lots of people fail, or their born into a cycle of poverty. Some people like me massively fuck up and lose a good paying job and get stuck in a shitty paying one with no path back up
Now tell me. If I work 60 hours a week and would like some time to myself so I don't blow my brains out, how am I supposed to a) pay for the education or training necessary to move up to a better career and b) find the time to do so?
Now imagine that with a family, too. It would never happen.
>>81530188
>Show me that in the constitution.
We don't have a constitution you retard.
Nobody cares about the US constitution besides Texas.
>>81527060
Fuck!
You must be a fucking millennial.
No one deserves anything.
You must earn things.
Self centered asshole.
>>81532001
why what? why has rent become expensive?
>>81532203
You are right but /pol/ will never agree.
They think that the American dream is real and they can all be just like Donald Trump!
The most tragic part about adults taking minimum wage jobs is that it prevents kids from getting those jobs so that they may get work experience. The result is that the kid ends up becoming another adult who has to take a minimum wage job, since he wasn't able to get job experience as a kid.
Millennials are truly struggling because adults took all of the jobs that they should have been working.
>>81528354
>but having $10-14/hour payment
Lol that's bachelor degree entry level pay for most fields.
>>81530578
Federal minimum wage is lower than that, its the lowest a state can make theirs. My states is 8.25 but if the worker is under the age of 18, you only have to pay them the federal.
>>81532301
because we allow fat cat landlords to extract the value an entire community has built up around a parcel of land
>>81532203
>massively fuck up and lose good paying job
>minimum wage with 0 skillset.
Something doesn't add up here.
What job would you lose that you cant get another in same field with same skills?
Stop making shit up.
>>81530188
Privacy isn't just a political concept. It's a prerequisite to being a decent human being.
>implying a long, expensive bus trip is viable for already-impoverished people
>>81532224
Florida reportan
The constitution is what made this country what it is.
Its very important.
I've also seen it in person.
I had to drive 500 miles to do that.
>only texas thinks its important
Fuck off nerd
>>81532248
Everybody deserves privacy.
Now tell me how you earned that basement you are in right now shitposting on pol?
>>81532419
that's shit.
I make 12 at 40 hours, in a job right by where I live.
Its shit money, rent is 900 dollars a month. I'm enlisting.
>>81528038
It's a starting point to get some work experience not a fucking career. Same with Wal Mart. If you settle there, it's all you deserve.
>>81532558
>The constitution is what made this country what it is.
>Its very important.
Have you seen your own country lately?
Maybe it's time to get a new piece of magic paper.
>>81532248
Don't start crying you faggot its going to be ok, sorry you are triggered.
>Thinks that people mean we want things handed to us
We mean that basic privacy should be affordable. Idiot.
But I'm sure if someone raised the price on something you need to live a normal life you'd just sit quietly and say they were right to do it.
>>81532317
They can disagree that is the beauty of not just our system, but /POL/ in general, but I just bemoan plain and stupid ignorance. I always hope it is trolling, but then I see some of the shit those on the right say and I worry.
Also, I saw someone idealizing life as a serf in England. Now, I love history, and I'd love to blindly believe in God and a paradise upon my death, but good god. Don't idealize an era without toilet paper. There is no better time to live than right now.
>ITT everyone argues about wages and entitlements instead of ground rents and land value taxation
WAKE UP KIDDOS
>>81532624
My friend is a medic
He makes $15/hr on salary
Not much better
>>81531377
Lazy people find excuses, successful ones find solutions.
I was born in USSR and survived trough the hungry 90s. I never seen my father. I made myself by myself with no help from others. As I said, I used to do all kind of gigs since 15 and have my first official job at 18. I worked during the day and studied at evening. I became a professional and moved in the US legally.
And now, looking at you, useless faggots crying for socialistic gibmedats, makes me sad. Because this is not America I used to dream about as a kid. This is not an American dream when every man makes himself by overcoming the challenges of life. This is some crazy decadence and degradation of the basic principles America was founded on.
So I'm going to repeat myself and recommend you to move to another socialist shithole where you can put yourself in the arms of the government. Don't leach on my taxes
>>81532203
It used to be much better back when the conservative right masturbates to.
>The minimum wage reached its (inflation-adjusted) historic high in 1968, when it was raised from $1.40 to $1.60 per hour. Adjusted for inflation using the BLS online inflation calculator that would come to $10.55 per hour in 2012 dollars.
Doesn't seem like much, "if I made 3 more dollars I'd still be in deep shit", that would be true if everything else in life, rent, college, food, hasn't inflated at incredibly massive rates. Especially college.
A good article
www.mybudget360.com/cost-of-living-2014-inflation-1950-vs-2014-data-housing-cars-college/
>>81532448
landlords can charge what they want in a free market. you cant change that. but yeah, the supply is tight and demand is high. lots of people who did used to be renters are now, retirees, millenials who dont want a mortgage, professionals who dont want a mortgage either, and tons of people who took out shitty ARM loans pre recession. they got hosed when their interest rates bumped and bam, now they are renters too. predatory lending and people extending their credit too far had alot to do with where we are now. even small towns are feeling the crunch since no supply was built or was even anticipated to be in need.
>>81531895
And spend all my money on drugs because of the boredom of living in a place with nothing to do but hunt and party.
>>81532690
Have you seen the world lately?
No ones in any posistion to talk shit.
>>81530451
>I know exactly what you want even though I'm just using buzzwords
That's how you sound. Wage labor is abolished under actual socialism, and higher wages are definitely not what created countries like North Korea.
>>81532452
Ha...uhm. Teaching. Don't ask why.
But I have gotten a better job as a consultant in the last couple of years pushing my skills that I learned in Education. Some corporations want a person that can multitask, communicate empathetically with others, and teach others as well. And can write and generally not be autistic.
So I made it work, but my argument is for other people, they don't have an ability to get down that path. And for me, it took years of a shitty job before I could find a better one.
I was however never at minimum wage. My lowest was 10 bucks a couple of years ago but that is not enough to live AND spend AND save on. And this is really my point.
>>81525683
>>81529463
>>81531539
>tfw used to live in columbus and moved to Chicago
i miss ohio bros..
>>81532358
It's easy to get a job at a supermarket at 16. Kids are just lazy.
pol should watch that movie the big short, it describes exactly what happend during the recession. that explains where we are today...
>>81532738
I used to enjoy pol when I knew it was just shitposting. Now we have a real /pol/tard running for US president. Maybe meme power is real...
>>81532902
I'm actually doing fine, thank you.
>>81531619
I'm not saying you shouldn't have kids. I'm saying you should have a stable ground under your feet first. There is nothing wrong with having a first kid at 30. Your wife will be 24-27 by then, so it still safe for her and the kid
>>81532830
Formerly soviet American is more American than most 35 and under.
Read his words children.
>>81529513
>born in NYC
>can't leave
>don't have license
>mother owns condo and gets paid 6k a month before taxes without having to work
Why bother moving out to live in a shithole and boast about how """independent""" I am ? There is little reason for me to do so. If you're not starting a family stay home. Parents should only charge rent when they can't afford it.
>>81532643
But what happens when one gets trapped in that cycle? What happens when things don't go as planned, and you have kids to provide for? Should one just settle on being a janitor forever and just HOPE his kids don't get bent over too?
>>81524399
>minimum wage
Why do leftist sucks think this is a reasonable measurement for anything? It's for high schoolers, FFS.
I spend $5k/mo on rent w/o any financial assistance.
>>81532892
>And spend all my money on drugs
Found the problem.
>>81533201
s/sucks/cucks
>>81528191
>49 hours a week for $415
fucking hell dude that's awful, what do you do?
here in aus I work 38 hours a week and take home about $800 a week after tax, if you worked it per hour it comes in around $26/hr pre tax which is a pretty moderate wage for skilled work (i have a science degree working full time in QA/QC lab)
my rent is $150/week sharing a unit, my share of the net is like $25 and utilities are <$100/quarter
like i know that 1AUD doesn't go as far as 1USD, cost of living differences etc etc but shit dude i could not call working almost 50 hours in a week as 'easily' affording anything
>>81531097
Sounds like you are one of the luckier ones.
>>81532358
I guess that depends on the state, because here in Texas we got plenty of jobs to go around. Hell not even the Mexicans have been able to take over all the jobs despite them not being here legally (although they usually stick to the shitty jobs since they don't want to get caught, so I and those business owners aren't complaining). The real problem is the rent has gotten way to high. The oil boom also caused a lot of prices to spike up. People were charging for ~$1000 in rent for a very small house or a fucking one bedroom apartment, and that was just around my area. The big cities prices were insane.
>>81532830
based ruskie tells pol how it is.....my komrade...
>>81528191
Are you content with living in poverty forever?
Does your job have promotion opportunities?
>>81532643
A horrible line of thinking. Factory work back in the day was a starting point that out of high school kids could get, and make a decent living and be able to afford a family.
Do you wish you could go back in time and have them paid shit money because it's a starting point and shouldn't be their fucking career because starting jobs shouldn't be making much money?
Another sad thing is factories pay shit compared what they used to. And so much are automated. I worked at a factory about 6 years back for about 4 years. When I started it had 5 people doing this one part of the job, when I quit it was one guy and three robots.
>>81533134
>It's easy to get a job at a supermarket at 16. Kids are just lazy.
>send online application
>introduce myself to manager
>doesn't hire me
Whatever you say
Until they got new management was when I got the job
>>81526306
>we have also seen a crazy rise in productivity while seeing stagnating wages after around the 70's when it became hip to be a bootlicker.
Worker productivity has been stagnant since the 1920s.
The increase in productivity comes from better tools, not more competent workers.
If anything, moderns workers are LESS productive. They fuck around on facebook and on smart phones 30% of the day.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2015/07/31/wasting-time-at-work-the-epidemic-continues/#965ddf23ac16
>>81533059
So my guess is you touched the students?
Its funny how most, if not all of the people whining about wages are detriments to society.
>>81526815
Now add 50-100 a month for internet.
Another 100-200 for utilities.
Oh and a phone? That is another 50-100.
That leaves 700 ish, with some major overtime by your math of 60 hrs a week.
If you are in school? Thats another 250 a month. So now you have 450.
Have a kid? Cheap ass daycare due to your fucking 60 hr a week job is another 300 at least.
Gotta car? Gas is another 35 bucks a week.
That leaves you in the negative and on food stamps just to live.
Minimum wage is a fucking joke at the moment. It never scaled with inflation and does not cost much to fix.
This coming from a 120k+ a year household who use to be on that shit minimum wage as a kid.
Pol is fucked up.
My rent is $950 /mo including utilities for 1br 2nd floor of the landlords house.
I work 20 hours a week at $21.50hr doing graduate work
>>81531888
>It costs money to move
If you don't have money to move, I can imagine you have no belongings as well. So what stops your from taking a Greyhound to the better place? If you can't save $60-100 for a ticket you should consider suicide, seriously.
>>81527940
There is opprotunity out there. You just need to go out and find it.
Millenials fell for the "get a degree, literally any degree, or you're doomed to poverty" meme boomers shoved down their throats and graduated with a piece of paper. Then they tried to get jobs but those same boomers wanted two houses 5 cars a boat and an RV so they won't/ retire so no jobs lol. Oh and millenials think they just HAVE to live in a major metro but then butch they can only afford a 600 sq ft economy apartment in the middle of hipster neighborhood of the month.
>>81528682
250 a month is alot for a trailer
>all these plebs with sub-$1k housing costs
lmaoing @ ur life
>>81524399
>Why can't millennials afford to rent without financial support from their parents?
Because someone thought it would be very fucking smart to start demanding that millennial's must now be forced into having health insurance during a recession even though they are one of the few demographics that do not need it.
>>81533469
Oh and I live in one of the gray states...even here min wage is hard to justify being that low.
>>81531821
Good post.
I can afford rent just fine. Buying is for suckers.
Minimum wage is artificially low where I am. They should get rid of it and let the market find its own equilibrium.
>>81533269
Sounds like someone who isn't a fucking spendthrift actually. That anon knows how to budget his money, and luck had nothing to do with it.
>>81533201
>renting for anything over 500 dollars
What's wrong with people? Rentng is for the rich or temporary stays
Putting 5k a month into a place you can't own is throwing away money.
>>81533264
He's of the "well I can live in a shithole and bust my balls, so you must envy me" mindset.
>>81533469
>now add luxuries
>add more luxuries
>see why I can't afford "basics"?
>>81533593
get a job with health benefits you fucking faggot
How about I just open my RENT MACHINE which produces RENT from the fabled land of EMPLOYERS WHO ACTUALLY PAY ENOUGH
FFS I did internships unpaid, I followed all the rules, I majored in STEM and STILL can't afford rent outside of a nigger infested slimehole
>>81533168
A large sentiment from American adults is that they want freedom from their children when they become adults. It's how their parents had it, and the ones before them. It's the norm, so when it's not like that they get pissy and outright refuse. I know tons of people through college in this boat, and myself too. Even if I pay a hefty rent that I can afford, they still want me gone soon enough because it's "normal".
I wonder what things will be like in 20 years.
>>81533795
>unpaid internship
HAHAHA you fell for that meme? Damn bro. In my profession, its ILLEGAL for employers to do that to you
>>81524399
Because we have too many people with useless college degrees that are too lazy to work a blue collar job and be on their own. Also, people are staying single longer instead of getting married. Furthermore, having 20,000,000 illegal immigrants in the USA doesn't exactly help the housing situation. If we had more vacant units I bet rents would go down.
>>81533795
>FFS I did internships unpaid, I followed all the rules, I majored in STEM
With your attitude I can see why none of those internships turned into full time work.
these wages are just fucking insane
i shit you not i work in a warehouse stacking boxes and loading trucks i made 56k last year with minimal OT hell most weeks im only doing 38 hours. I get medical, dental and all that shit with a small pension to boot. What kind of shitty employers do you people work for?
Makes me wounder if finishing school is even worth it
>>81533795
>why can't I just do A, B, and C like I'm told and be guaranteed to get the result I want?
life ain't fair. try again or give up.
>>81532843
>www.mybudget360.com/cost-of-living-2014-inflation-1950-vs-2014-data-housing-cars-college/
Thanks for that article, that actually looks really interesting from not just an economical standpoint but from a historical one, too. I always admired my grandfather, who started his family at that time, for getting a home for his family instead of an apartment, getting a couple cars, a nice garden plot and trailer out of town, and then putting his kids through college before retiring at 65 and enjoying his pension. I wonder if I will ever get the same experience.
>>81533139
Have we gone too far? Maybe we took it all for granted.
>>81533160
24-27 Jesus Christ setting the bar a little lower there, one, two, why should I have to wait til 30? I want my kids to have me for a long time. I want to be a grandpa. I want a livable life. I've worked for more than just a few bucks above minimum wage.
>>81533443
Nah not that bad, or I'd have lost my license. Lets just say it was something you might get probation for, a slap on the wrist, and indeed that is what I received. However, if it is determined to be an ethical violation, which anyone with an educational license is bound to, and the state has a very conservative board, lets just say I won't be teaching for a few years on something that wouldn't cost you your office or programming or management job.
Not trying to deflect. My actions are my responsibility and my fault. But it sucks being knocked on your ass for a lapse of judgement and having to settle for a career that makes you hollow inside.
>>81534046
How did you get the job?
>>81526815
>40 hours a week at $7.25 an hour is $1160 a month.
you fucking people are delusional.
Have any of you ever worked a fucking min-wage job in your entire fucking life? Good fucking luck getting anywhere near 40hrs a week. When I was working corporate retail or even fast food they hire part time workers and NEVER EVER hire full time workers. They cycle through part time workers and fuck them hard on everything. I'm sure some people have even been hired more because of obama care giving people even less hours.
>>81533172
Funnily enough Janitors are usually paid better from the get-go and have better prospects than most service jobs. College custodians in my area make 20 bucks starting an hours. Hospital ones are 16. 15 bucks an hour is how much management at my grocery stores make. (not counting the general managers who actually make a decent living).
>>81534046
>i shit you not i work
That's where you're different than the ones whining.
>>81533134
Every Publix in Florida has old people bagging the groceries and pushing the carts.
>>81530158
>says a government serf
I can hear your chains rattling all the way on the other side of the world
>>81533243
You ever live in Alaska?
>>81531895
He will tell you.
It's cold as balls and it's miserable to live there without being drunk/high constantly.
>>81534143
>working part time
>not working tow part time jobs to make a full time paycheck
Oh hey look, it's the entitled guy who wants a full 40/hr payday for 12 hours worked.
>>81524399
>live in grey state
>work 84 hours a week
>make more than minimum wage
>still living at parents
>mfw
>>81534378
Have you ever tried working two part time jobs specially at some of these places that REQUIRE you to bend to there will on times that you'll be working?
>>81533786
Where do you live that any of that is a luxery?
Cable tv is luxery. Whole foods is luxery.
Daycare, school, internet, a car, and a phone is fucking basic to get a job and be a stable employee anywhere.
Fuck globalization
>>81534139
i responded to an add on indeed
its hard as fuck and lot of guys can't handle working like a man so these sorts of operations are almost always hiring
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Incentive+warehouse&radius=
look for the ones that say incentive based pay or activity based pay
>>81534143
Good point, most minimum wage workers get about 25 hours a week. At places like home depot or wal-mart it's usually 15-20 (at least in my area), and restaurants usually have more hours, about 30.
Another fucking problem with these jobs is they will throw your schedule around with no remorse. I worked at Fred Meyers a while back, and it was normal for someone to close and then come in at 9 AM for 4 hours, just to close again the next day and open the next day. If you complain they can let you go.
>>81532905
>Wage labor is abolished under actual socialism
Don't tell me about ACTUAL socialism nigger. I fled from there and trust me, the wage gap was big enough to stimulate people for self-development. It wasn't that big as now in America, but it was big enough to see and feel the difference.
>>81534387
>84 hours a weak
>still have the energy to smile
What sort of ''work'' is this?
>>81534574
Put your dick away. You idiots are going to make us poor.
>>81534500
I worked blockbuster at nights while working shipyard during the day to build a solid bank account and get rolling on life and work my way to a career.
So a full time job and a part time where I had to specify nights and weekends only.
>>81534046
>56k
>stacking boxes
Do people really do that? Just get on the internet and tell lies?
>>81534907
No.
>>81534871
hey i used to work at a Block Buster about 10 years ago
free game/movie rentals was the tits
RIP bb
>>81533786
Car, phone and internet are not luxuries, especially not in Burgerland. You don't have a car you might as well an hero.
>>81533795
I don't disagree but the system isn't stacked with automatic rewards. Corporations will always find a way to fuck you over. A major concern of mine of recent has been employers turning to employment agencies for EVERY job. At that point you aren't trying to plug holes or adjust to changing staffing needs. You are trying to save money by not giving your employees a fair wage and fair benefits.
Some of the temp agencies in my area JUST started providing health insurance that is ACA compliant. My girlfriend was an AmeriCorps worker, which is a joke. Government gives her a "stipend" of $1,200 a month but the insurance isn't compliant. She faces a fine of I believe around $600 from the government for having government insurance. Isn't that just fucked?
>>81533659
Thanks
>>81534174
Its ironic, because I had the same flashback to when I worked at a Hy-Vee (midwestern grocery chain) as a manager to two years later making more money as a college custodian. I think I should leave the janitors out of this.
I expect it to even out eventually. I think more and more millenials are going for jobs that are personally fulfilling instead of high paying. More and more will pursue some type of education. And eventually major corporations that need people are going to have to reconcile this, and start offering a livable wage.
And at that point, I think it will be like the 60s, where you could wave any old Bachelor's degree around, and get a nice job with a nice pay. Because at some point, those skills are going to be needed. Skills like critical thinking, the ability to communicate empathetically, the ability to write well. I'm not going to bash any specific career path, but I really think those who just went into a trade program and skipped college will suffer for the long haul because they lack those skills needed to move up. Just my thought. I could end up very wrong.
>>81525953
It's $10.45.
>>81532830
I like you.
>>81533264
You live in australia mate.Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world.what did you expect ?
>>81534871
oh im glad everyone is in the same time and place as you cool!
>>81531536
Nigger, every old fuck I talk to tells me they made fucking bank and they had to pay about $100 a month for rent when min wage was $4.50/hr. Call us entitled, your generation sold us out for fucking credit cards.
>>81534530
>Daycare, school, internet, a car, and a phone
Sorry you fucked up making a baby before figuring out life. Your fault.
School - Not necessary, or work two jobs and save for community college courses.
Internet - go to library
Car - Walk, public transportation
Phone - walmart has cheap phones until you get life in order. No s7 edge for you when you're struggling.
Your listing luxuries as needed items. Yes, life is hard, yes it sucks not having things you WANT.
Live through the suck and fight out of the hole you're in and make it better.
Everyone who ever "made it" in life has had to sacrifice.
>>81525683
Greater Cincinnati here
>>81531895
Lol the average millennial male wants cushy IT jobs ONLY.
>>81533422
>doesn't hire me
Don't tell me that was the only supermarket in the area. I'm a seasoned professional with over 12 years of experience and I send my resume to dozens and dozens of employers, because this is the number game. Same as with the girls, if you understand the analogy. You should keep trying and don't ever think about giving up after one or even five failures.
>>81526815
Don't forget health insurance and taxes.
>>81535086
Yup, even worse in my city of 300,000 fucking people, the buses stop running at 6 PM.
You have to have a car or you are fucked. Which means you need to have it insured and also have it well kept. If you don't make much money you're going to have a shit car. If you take out a loan in order to get a shit car, you now need full coverage insurance, instead of just liability, which increases the cost even more.
Phone is 100% required, good luck maintaining a job or searching for one without one. Internet at this point too, depending on the job though you can probably squeeze by not having it, but it's still important. At the very least to keep you sane so you can browse /pol/ and porn before you sob into your pillow at night.
This is straight up bullshit.
You can rent in Mississippi with a 30hour a week minimum wage job.
>>81535276
Work man, jsut work.
It sucks, it's rough the first year or two, but if you're persistent you can make it.
If you spend your free time whining on the internet, well you don't have that bad of a life do you?
>>81533978
There's a lot of trades/blue collar openings, but not enough to solve ongoing unemployment/unemployment.
A year's worth of high schools grads would fill those openings.
>>81533891
Honestly if they want their kids to move out they need to guide their children to make those steps. Parents today are often single or poor. They don't know what they're doing with kids. They just work to stay in a home with living parasites (not negatively but that's what we are)
They don't teach you about credit, saving money or bank accounts
They don't give you lessons about how they afforded a home
They don't support you 100% through academics
They don't discuss what career you chose
They prioritize their harship over your future
Thus either they commit crime, escape through friends, early promiscuity, or they end up being the resented child at home.
In my case I'm one of them. Ironically enough my brother the first born who was given freedom, co stand supervision and helped by his family to drive, get a job, bank account from 15 onwards is still not rich but is married in school managing and being supported by his wife.
Me? Didn't have my first bank account until I was 20
First job at 19
I wanted to be an engineer but was met with opposition by the deprived of her teenage dream single mother who kept trying to force me into the military and scared off the few trusted friends I had.
I can't get roomates, my life went South but people want to blame every milennial for being lazy. Lots of it is just shitty parenting.
>>81528038
>Why do corporations rely on society to pick up the check for social benefits instead of paying a livable wage like they used to?
Because we pick up the check when they don't pay enough. Stop handing out welfare and companies will be forced to pay a livable wage or pretty soon they won't have any workers left.
>>81535333
can i get a not so cushy IT job? I'd probably suck some cock for anything related to it
