I find it really edgy how someone can be religious in the 21st century
>>81489065
*tips fedora
>>81489065
People need some reason to not kill themselves, nothing edgy about it.
>>81489065
Well then we should stop indoctrinating children should we not?
>>81489252
we're not in the 19th century where the lives of 90% of the people are to farm all day
>>81489065
I thought that was aurora at first glance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_HlPboLRL8
>>81489425
>Yesssss goym let the Public Education System tell them what to believe in
>>81489425
No religion in public schools.. No religion in most colleges.. No religion in entertainment.. Who's indoctrinating who?
>>81489425
>children don't spontaneously learn language in a vacuum
>we shouldn't indoctrinate our children with language just because it's "convenient"
>who are we to say being a feral pink ape isn't really the best life for a human being?
>>81489065
some people feel the need to have imaginary friends, like gods or anime waifus
they're suffering from a mild schizophrenia, you shouldnt make fun of them or call them edgy
>>81489065
I agree. But if you think that just because the currently popular religions are untrue that therefore no supreme being exists, you are mistaken.
>>81489252
Honestly that's really it. If people think or focus too hard about the inevitabilities of life they'll probably kill themselves
>>81490007
>not having an anime waifu
what is wrong with you
>>81489973
american education system at work
>>81489714
Parents who get their children baptized when they can't even walk?
>>81489636
No, let them figure out shit themself.
>>81489973
Go on and tell your children how the earth is 6000 years old for all I care, but then don't wonder why you're in a country full of morons.
>>81490276
i'm american, not gook
>>81490021
this desu
>>81490276
>imaginary
> anime waifu
Choose one and only one.
>>81490475
They're children. They're SUPPOSED to be taken care of you neglectful shit
Children need their teddy bear.
>>81489065
>I find it edgy how people can follow many millennia of tradition at this current century
No wonder you're losing your country to t*rks
>>81489252
Wrong.
>brainwashed since birth.
not religious.
Not killing myself.
>>81489714
Parents
>>81490809
Nowhere I said they should not be taken care of Achmed
>>81491340
>No, let them figure out shit themself.
Let them figure out calculus if you're so confident in them
>>81490007
>implying Misaki isn't real
>>81490021
You can't know if a supreme being exists.
You have to follow a narrative for that supreme being to make sense.
In Christian one God created the world - man dies because he wanted to define his own good and evil - God took human flesh to show us how to live as humans and to restore our corrupt souls for eternal life.
>In Indian / Asian religions - there is no God, rather there is an abstract ocean of impersonal energy - that has no purpose or desire.
There's a belief in pointless reincarnations - but most importantly the world is seen as eternal, and always been here - which contradicts scientific model - so you can't really take Asian religions seriously.
Other than that what alternatives you have?
If you drop everything then only explanation left is the theoretical model science proposed - everything is meaningless, random, mechanical - there is no meaning.
>>81491492
Jesus fucking christ.
You show them how to explore the world, gain knowledge, and basic social and reasoning skills, not fucking math.
That's for later and that's why we have teachers.
>>81491731
the statistical chance of a supreme being like that existing is very low, considering how many religions there are and how everything is based on anecdotal evidence and unscientific theories by very uneducated people, its just edgy to think of something like that, just as edgy as being a fedora atheist
>>81492009
Christ is the teacher of morality
They won't form any stable principles if you just let them be
It will drive them mad
>>81490082
You can do anything you want, and yet you choose the most boring shit out there. There's science, there's sports, there's hunting, for fuck's sake, why waste your time on this shit?
>>81492009
>teach them how to learn, basic social and "reasoning" (whatever that means) skills
>let them figure everything else by themselves
I hope you won't have children for their own sake. Also, by teaching them "basic social skills" you are probably teaching morality which means you are indoctrinating them.
I was walking around with my 2 year old nephew yesterday. As a very young child, he personifies inanimate objects and events. Everything gets human and conscious characteristics to it.
A stick needs to go back home with his friends in a pile of sticks. Toys are thinking, have friends and feelings, a big stick is the daddy stick and a little stick is a baby stick.
This is a part of every human's development, it is only later in their development when they realize that inanimate objects really are inanimate, don't have thoughts and aren't living things with human characteristics.
The last stage of this process for a lot of people is realizing that the whole universe itself isn't conscious or driven by a personified character. A lot of people never grasp the fact that the universe isn't thinking with human characteristics, these people are called christians.
It's really a failure of development.
>>81489065
ITS THE CURRENT CENTURY
>>81492218
>if you did something bad just ask god for forgiveness and everthing will be alright
>>81489065
WTF is that alien on OP pic?
>>81491063
>religion
>tradition
>>81492049
>the statistical chance of a supreme being like that existing is very low,
how low? 2%? 20%? 49.9999999%? how do you quantify it?
>considering how many religions there
so because different people have different ideas about the nature and history X, X doesn't exist?
>anecdotal evidence
like all of history
>unscientific theories
science is the study of nature, it has nothing to say about the supernatural, if it did it would be begging the question
>>81492218
A study of the bible without historical context and other religions makes no sense at all.
Teach them the golden rule, that's enough
>>81492447
It's people like you who are responsible for groups like fucking isis, you know that right?
I understand that you don't know what reasoning means, but teaching a child they should not punch other kids because they don't like getting punched themself is not indoctrinating you utter moron
>>81492549
Forgiveness both from God and from whom we wrong
Matthew 5:22
>>81492049
tripfags are still fags, famalan.
>>81492572
It's a white person but Dane wouldn't know that since you are basically Somalia.
>>81489065
ayy lmao
>>81489523
yeah its just go to work and watch tv all day
not much difference friendo
>>81489065
religion gives standards for continuation of the worship of the G-d which gives strength-inducing measures.
If you want to be a commie queer, then you can be regarded as one.
If you want standards, the backing of the G-d, and traditions going back a thousand years, Catholicism is for you.
If you want to live like a degenerate to be a damned being with no protection, go play with OP.
>>81492660
below 0.1%, its not a realistic theory at all, there are thousands of gods in thousands of religious and sects, there are thousands of religious theories about their gods and creations, theyre all different, made by people who would think that the sun is a god and that fire is granted by the fire god, or that thunders comes from again, a god that lives in the clouds, while theres a scientific explanation for everything people have thought a god grants them, science studies absolutely everything
>>81492837
Why would you study other religions along with Christianity?
>Teach them the golden rule, that's enough
>"Do unto others what you would have done unto yourself"
Relativistic. Tastes differ
>>81490475
Baptism means nothing without faith
And the majority of people in the US/Australia/NZ/UK believe in evolution.
>>81489065
>it's the current century
>>81492959
>every time i see a +30 womyn walk her +50 lbs dog
>>81493128
>below 0.1%
where did you pull this number from? your ass?
show me how you've calculated it.
>there are thousands of gods in thousands of religious and sects
so what? what people think has no bearing on what exists.
>>81492488
You go and tell your kids that consciousness is just electrical impulses you utter moron
>>81492049
Considering the genetic makeup of every organism on planet, the order of things - and all the cosmic coincidences which just create this world as a whole - statistically biblical God following the genesis narrative could exist.
It's irrelevant how many religions are there - it's in humans freedom to do w/e
If God reveled Himself - humans would split up hundreds of religions on that revelation.
Look at Christianity - you had many cults around Christianity in the first decades - cults that gave birth to more cults.
But the original Church still exists today and w/e seeks can still find it.
And even if you assume educated people and opinions contradict God - it's not the case.
Unless you're uneducated yourself and assume all theories are facts - and then you take many unlinked opinions from various sciences and mix their conclusions together to give birth to a new conclusion.
Scientific method does not contradict God - it just studies the phenomena in the universe which we know from Genesis narrative God created. And we just find with every moment that God is indeed very wise and His creation is very complex.
>>81492049
The statical odds of a God are still better than the odds that everything come from nothing at all and then organized itself into a universe with physical laws.
>>81489065
I would fuck the shit out of this boy
The majority of people are too retarded to function without some kind of overarching belief system, so it's probably best that they have a religion instead of a cult.
>>81492837
>you made ISIS
No, Ahmed, it's more like your fault for not fighting it.
>you don't know what reasoning is
Yes I do, what I don't know is what "reasoning skillz" mean, and how you can teach those.
>teaching a child they should not punch others is not indoctrinating
You are literally teaching moral values to them, why can't parents with Christian moral values teach those to their children? Suddenly only YOUR moral values are acceptable?
Hey everyone, gather up, from now no we can only teach Ahmed's moral values to our children! Because he said so!
>>81494435
>>81492837
Oh and a note on this
>teach them the golden rule
No Ahmed you can't do that you indoctrinator ISIS breeder! The golden rule appears in the Bible, we must strictly not teach anything from the Bible to our children!
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do
to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
(Matthew 7:12)
>>81494047
>I will dumb things down to my level of understanding to make a point
The only possible God that may exist is the Deist version of God.
Religions' God is fucking pants-on-head retarded.
>>81494435
His morality is based on (((science))) mate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
>>81494392
Not the fedoras, everything they believe is original and entirely their own unique opinion. They are enlightened by the vastness of their own vast intelligence. Religion is just for the plebs not smart or mystical enough to be fedoras.
>>81494735
Militant atheism is a religion substitute.
>>81494637
And you still couldn't come up with an argument against it.
>>81494903
A substitute, or a laughably pathetic, and inferior form of religion?
>>81493888
>so what? what people think has no bearing on what exists.
exactly, that's why science is the only thing to believe in
i calculated it based on the amount of possibilities every religion gives, the amount of religious illusions beat and proven by science, i can't give you an exact number but i can tell you its below 0.1%, also the vastness of space has a huge influence as well, every alien life possibility such as the goldilock zone, the amount of planets, the amount of galaxies, does not really put the world as flat and only one, which is what the Bible wants you to believe
>>81493972
you can believe in whatever you want but it doesnt make sense due to scientific researches which have nothing to do with religion personally, but they show that the world is less and less what those religions want you to believe, which were created before any significant researches were even made, just look at how many planets there are in our galaxy and how many galaxies there are, how many different religions are which you cannot prove which is real or not, how scientifically uneducated people thought of them etc etc
>>81494908
I'm not even an Atheist you mug
>>81489065
well hello kike, here to educate us on how religion is bad for all people but jews?
here to pit us against each other? or just here to tell us how we abandon christianity and let the muslims rape our children?
>>81489065
Atheists don't know about muh dubs.
>>81495100
Let me guess, you're that Christian Identity guy from earlier?
>>81494587
Way to miss the point, my black subhuman friend.
I'm not saying don't teach the good stuff in the bible, the sermon of the mount being an obvious example.
But you can teach that without the need of religion or the church.
I don't really see a reason to tell them they shouldn't kill and then tell them how moses slaugtered midianites.
Fuck your religion if it's only moral if you cherrypick.
>>81495266
No - agnostic
>>81495066
Probably on a similar level to people who claim the Grand Canyon is evidence of a biblical flood a few thousand years ago.
>>81494047
>The statical odds of a God are still better than the odds that everything come from nothing at all and then organized itself into a universe with physical laws.
What are the odds of a god appearing out of nowhere?
The fact is, thousands of fictional gods have been given credit for creating the world.
Why should we believe your fictional god fantasies are any different?
>>81489065
Go watch Common filth, you'll become religious in a blink of an eye.
>>81494047
Americans have really no working education system at all, he
>>81495230
checkem
>>81495336
You're the one cherry picking your morality mate
Knowingly as well
>>81495336
>this guy from thousands of years ago killed people during a period of war and slavery
I hope you won't teach history to your children too! That'd be ISIS breeding and they would grow up without the reasoning skils!
>>81495430
hes a bit of a prick cant stand his vids desu though i agree with most of the things he says
>>81495354
I don't know about that. Most atheists are more mystical than many religious people.
Thinking thinks move for no reason, let alone, their belief in the miracle of creation, makes me think they are an a different level of religiosity altogether.
>>81494903
>Militant atheism is a religion substitute.
If your cognitive skills are so badly damaged your fell for the lies of a religion, then it makes perfect sense that you'd also fall for the obvious cognitive dissonance that "non-belief" is somehow "belief"
>>81495430
>becoming religious over political opinion
Weak
>>81489065
Nobody really believes in religion anymore.
They convert for practical reasons. Like to make their daughters less slutty.
>>81495455
Then it should be pretty easy to refute what I'm saying, Mr. Mystical. Tell me, how did matter move itself? What kind of wizardry do you espouse?
>>81494047
Yeah but to have someone that organize everything as it is organized, this guy needs to be at least as complex as the things he is organizing.
Then the odds are even lower to have a being able to organize everything than to have everything organize itself.
>>81495688
he has a right to be a prick, you're supposed to be a prick to degenerates. If you dont see eye to eye with him ask him or tell your side on r/Commonfilth
>>81495067
It doesn't take much to realize that genesis narration is not a scientific paper so you judging it like that makes no sense.
What makes you think discoveries from field of physics, medicine, chemistry, neuro-biology show that the world is less and less of an complex creation - I don't get it, such a claim could only come from a nihilistic mindset.
Scientific method does no have the aim to prove - or show anything specific rather, than observe, collect, test - theorize and name the laws.
Main thing is if you look over the reveled text on Christian bible - which is Pentateuch the first 5 books of the old testament. Which tradition and Jesus backed this up - claim that Moses wrote them under a dialogue with God.
They don't talk about the physical makeup of the world, they don't attempt to describe any physical process and try to explain it in a way which gives a comfortable lie.
Then the first 4 gospels which are eye witnesses account of Jesus words in His public work - Jesus is not shown to describe the inner works of the universe, does not have a scientific dialogue, as you understand it today.
If in 1500 for example a group of christians claimed that earth is flat and insisted on that - was their opinion tho.
It's not the worst example - many groups of people had lots of stupid opinions, from all categories of life.
>>81495626
>>81495631
>the word of god
>n-no that part is not important, it's just the word of god, but I disagree with it
>>81495724
Please, idiot. You act like you did a careful analysis and came to the conclusion that God doesn't exist. Atheists are atheist for the same reasons teenage boys smoke cigarettes.
>>81495698
>Most atheists are more mystical than many religious people
So says the guy with brain damage.
Why is it the worst insult you can hurl at a non-believer is that he is somehow religious?
>>81495067
>i calculated the 'statistical chance' of God existing based on the fact that there are a plurality of views on him
well, that's retarded, especially since you already agreed that 'what people think has no bearing on what exists.'
we weren't discussing whether one religion has described God with 100% veracity, we were discussing whether or not God exists.
>the vastness of space has a huge influence as well
the argument from scale is really bad
>p1: the universe is big
>p2: why did god make a universe so big?
>c: therefore, god doesn't exist
yes, i'm strawmanning, try to formulate it yourself in a way that's not ridiculous though (you can't)
>every alien life possibility
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
>>81496053
Nice meme arrows, you destroyed me, Ahmed, congratulations, I have no more arguments. Carry on with your reasoning skulls.
>>81489065
You won't if you are still alive and the world ends in it. Don't worry, it won't.
Motherfuck your storefront Joogle!
>>81496053
>This is how Atheist youtube videos had made him think
>>81495724
Militant atheism is a fairly specific belief system.
>>81495897
Oh please, We looked into the universe and god was absent. Mythical Creatures don't exist. Grow up.
>>81495940
>Literally violates the Law of Entropy and implies something can be given without first possessing it.
lulz, and you probably don't even know what I'm talking about.
Poorly educated idiot.
>>81491063
Religion is just there to help shitty people living in shitty countries feel better about themselves.
See how we went from a 100% catholic country to 50% protestant and 50% catholic in just 2 decades, people will go to whatever religion gives them a stronger buzz.
Same reason why wealthier countries are not religious anymore, no need to pray for an abstract concept to give you stuff when you can already get anything you want with the money you worked hard for.
>>81496366
>We looked into the universe and God was absent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXlBCZ_5OYw
>>81496162
It's not an insult, just pointing out the hypocrisy and abject stupidity of atheists.
Nothing atheists or Christians do can make god any more or less real.
And he isn't real so whatevah man
https://vimeo.com/163043637
Trump's spiritual advisor, enjoy
>>81495848
just because im religious doesnt mean i dont have a political opinion, voting for Trump is a step in the right direction, but him becoming president isnt gonna make everything better. The gays will still take poz loads and there will still be perverse degeneracy in our society, so a lot of people might get disappointed.
>>81489523
There's a reason why intelligent men kill themselves more then niggers. Life is painful.
Religion is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism. We are able to transcend the dilemma of mortality through heroism, by focusing our attention mainly on our symbolic selves. This symbolic self-focus takes the form of an individual's "immortality project" (or causa sui), which is essentially a symbolic belief-system that ensures oneself is believed superior to physical reality. By successfully living under the terms of the immortality project, people feel they can become heroic and, henceforth, part of something eternal; something that will never die as compared to their physical body. This, in turn, gives people the feeling that their lives have meaning, a purpose, and are significant in the grand scheme of things.
>>81496366
Says the guy who believes in the miracle of creation.
>>81496246
I don't hold it against you anon, I know brazil is a third world country and you don't have the genetic predispositions to be as smart as a real human
>>81489065
They're really stuck-up and ignorant in some cases. Since I'm not a fedora-wearing fuck I avoid discussions about religion in real life, because it's just not worth it. I can't change someone's views with mere words. They were shaped and comforted by their beliefs throughout their whole lives and will naturally cling to them, and I understand that. Wasting time on trying to explain it to them won't work. Once they're psychologically capable to eventually challenge their views and perhaps change them, they'll do it on their own. Truth hurts and people avoid it. That's why leftism is so popular, and that's why religion is also popular.
So when a discussion about belief arises I just say that I'm an atheist, but I'm open-minded about it, and withdraw from taking part in it. I'll listen passively, sure, but not really say anything. The thing is that if you're not on the offensive, some of the religious fucks will take advantage of it and become the fedora-wearing attackers. Their arguments are limited to not comprehending something and explaining it with god, but they're really aggresive about it for some reason.
In such a situation I usually just say that I'm not convinced but that there's always a chance that I'm wrong, to which they finally fuck off and consider the chance I mentioned to be 100% in their favor.
>>81496139
>You act like you did a careful analysis and came to the conclusion that God doesn't exist.
Not alt all. Thousands of so-called "gods" have existed as fictions of the mind. History is littered with multitudes of failed gods, faltered religions and utterly worthless religious fantasies.
>Atheists are atheist for the same reasons teenage boys smoke cigarettes.
That's what the wilful ignorati might desperately cling to, but the truth is, people are leaving the churches in droves because they realize the facts are much better answers than the lies.
Reject all the Bronze Age Middle East goat-fucker religions.
>>81489190
>>81490387
>>81496436
>>81496696
>>81496728
All my ancestors are European. Brazil is an European colony. I am a mix of Portuguese, Spanish and Italian trying to run away from the war during the 20th century. But hey, keep shitposting, Ahmed!
God definitely exists, but God is a state of consciousness. People can temporarily experience this state, sometimes spontaneously, sometimes after years of training and effort. God is the blooming self-transforming energy of BEING, not some old man in the sky legislating from a golden throne. Death is a transformation of consciousness, not an end to consciousness.
>>81489523
>work a all day on your farm
>relax with your qt family rest of the day
>hunt
>work at archery
>entire winter you're free to do what ever
implying this is isn't the worst time in human history to be alive
>>81496037
there are 100 billion planets in our galaxy alone, and there are 100-200 billion galaxies, which shows that the earth isn't unique, and i mean just the thing that you can leave earth shows that the earth isn't the world, represented by a god, and its not unique for there really to be a "god" concerned with one in a 100 billion planets in 200 billion galaxies, also the human brain is much like a computer, connected by lots and lots of neuro connections called neuroplasticity, another thing is that no real paranormal activities were caught on camera by 7 billion people, that the bible isn't even written by one person, that it was changed over the course of time, and that its anecdotal, and sure all of history is, but who cares im not saying all of history is true either, which shows that when you die you just die, as computers dont go anywhere, schizophrenia is very common and is connected with people getting voices in their heads, which happens very often even today, and also as i mentioned again, there are thousands of religions and no one can say which is true or not or can prove it, just shows that if thousands of others aren't true or are so different that they can't all be true meaning that your religion has no proof to be the "true one"
>>81496235
oh, you were talking about theism in general? well that's something i can get along more with, although the chances for that are way higher than a religion's, its still pretty low, a being is something little, something we think of, that cares about lives etc, if a being that big that could create the universe had the capability to create the whole universe then that being can really just be called time and space, which is not really a 'being' itself but from one point of view it can be that
P.S. I don't support atheism, there isn't need to call yourself anything, being irreligious is just the natural state of things
>>81496947
What's the truth then?
Funny how none of you atheists can try to answer my questions. A little intimated maybe?
>>81489065
Top cute, 100% my type
When's the video of her getting black'd coming out?
>>81496608
Also looking at the world through politics, and placing politics as a major foundation of your life is a really bad idea.
And just look at an example, USA is a cesspool of feminists, pc culture, gays, sodomy, etc...
Here in Serbia that is really minimal, even with all the western propaganda being pumped into our media, why? Because we are religious and therefore have a strong family.
>>81497101
Out of curiosity, from where did you get the idea that the Christian god is just an old man sitting on a throne in the clouds?
>>81497208
Atheism is only about attacking other people's beliefs mate
They have absolutely no defences for the same attacks they make on other people
>>81497025
>My ancestors were white I swear!
Keep telling yourself that while getting raped in favelas pedro
>>81497520
Now you hurt my feelings, Ahmed.
I'm leaving this thread to wipe my tears. If only I had the reasoning sherkels to survive this.
>>81497474
It's funny how their very belief system rejects the Law of Entropy and also implies inanimate matter creates itself, moves itself, and also organizes itself according to physical laws that magically appeared.
This board needs to be purged of all religious fruitcakes. The Christfaggotry has gotten out of hand, they're even influencing impressionable youngsters on this board to attend Catholic churches because "muh heritage".
>>81497208
>What's the truth then?
It starts with logic, reason and the Law of Parsimony.
But it is also a truth that from the perspective of non-belief, there's no real difference between the Middle East religions except for how insanely gullible the followers are and how much goat-fucking they enjoy.
>>81497667
Sorry anon, have a good day/night whatever it is right now in the third world
:^)
>>81497460
Popular depictions, which I think represent peoples' subconscious assumptions. I was definitely raised with the idea that God is a Person and a Man (I was never informed on the girth of his dick) who crafted the universe with the power of severe autism and who now governs the things that happen within it.
>>81497025
>Portuguese
>Spanish
>Italian
>white
>>81497101
This doesn't mean very much.
>>81497184
>its still pretty low,
how low? 2%? 20%? 49.999999%?
how do you calculate this?
>a being is something little
what did he mean by this?
>if a being that big that could create the universe had the capability to create the whole universe
how big does god (who is by definition space-less, especially since he'd have existed causally 'before' space) have to be in order to create the universe?
5 cubic centimeters? 20 cubic kilometers? 6 gorrilion cubic lightyears?
>that being can really just be called time and space
how does this follow? how does time or space have the power to create?
>>81497756
>It's funny how their very belief system rejects the Law of Entropy and also implies inanimate matter creates itself, moves itself, and also organizes itself according to physical laws that magically appeared.
No, your word salad is funny. Are you drunk?
>>81489065
Is this Miss Finland 2016?
Damn, albinos girls are pretty qt
>>81497794
>Preaches the Law of Parsimony
>Thinks matter creates, moves and organizes itself according to physical laws that magically appeared.
>>81497880
I don't know who raised you telling you that Christian god was a guy but that's pretty wrong. Aren't you confusing those concepts with the Greek gods or something?
Jesus is the closest you can get to saying God is a man, but even then you'd be missing the clouds. I'm giving you the throne one because a throne certainly appears in "Revelations".
>>81497880
>Popular depictions, which I think represent peoples' subconscious assumptions.
So basically rumours
>>81498123
>Is this Miss Finland 2016?
He's too old now.
>>81498011
It means exactly what it says. If you've never experienced the state of consciousness which IS God, you're just going to have to believe it when others inform you that it exists, like a blind person simply has to assume there exists such a thing as color. There's no way of rationalizing or intellectualizing it, any more than you could explain what it's like to be a person. You can talk for a hundred years and not get anywhere.
>>81496366
The observation from scientific prospect of the world - does not invalidate the spiritual teachings and claims of Jesus.
Does not in anyway force us to imagine a different world - that would have rigid laws which make impossible the revelation of God.>>81496581
>there are 100 billion planets in our galaxy alone, and there are 100-200 billion galaxies, which shows that the earth isn't unique
No, earth is a unique formation - has unique position, unique constitution - there are no two identical things in this universe.
>and i mean just the thing that you can leave earth shows that the earth isn't the world
Makes me think you representation of religion comes from what you seen on tv - or other people opinions. It's not based on observations and conclusions from research.
And since this planet cumulates all conditions of life - the sun will continue to burn for 5 billion years, the planetary makeup that allows safe life in solar system - the strategic position and everything still indicates either absolute coincidence or the providence.
Does our brain amazes you, how does brain complexity disproves the brilliance of God, hence his non-existence?
Paranormal is a loaded term that requires a pre-existing adherence to the ideology of "naturalism", which did not exist just like scientific model in times of Moses or Jesus revelation.
It's a philosophical construct, a late one.
Christianity - Jesus does not separe natural from supernatural, does not define it actually, in terms that would make it synonymous with modern philosophical concepts.
The first 5 books were written by one person - Moses, sure in the form we have it today some people might've added small passages - at least this is the opinion of textual criticism which is based on some good and not so good arguments.
There are 4 main gospels in new testament - each has an unique author.
Also bible is not the literal word of God - you have 0 understanding of it, and still have opinions
>>81498074
How can't you follow this? Are you really this poorly educated?
>>81498156
>Thinks matter creates, moves and organizes itself according to physical laws that magically appeared.
Why the strawman? I certainly didn't make that claim.
Monks are pretty cool people.
>>81498421
Are you an atheist? If so, then yes you do believe this. Or are you denying the Bigbang now?
>>81498409
>How can't you follow this? Are you really this poorly educated?
Are you insinuating if I was poorly educated I could follow this rambling nonsense?
Please wipe the spittle from your chin and try again.
>>81489065
Source on that pic please, love me some albino's.
>>81491619
which anime
>>81497101
You're a moron. Death is the death of life. When you die your brain rapidly tries to make up for it and starts firing all up at once. You will experience a burst of flashbacks. Then you will be too retarded to function at all. Then you go out. Then you rot. See how well you can think about God then, peeps. Let's make Earth life on heaven instead of waiting to die. What kind of life is that?
t. Atheist 112 IQ
>>81498556
False-monks. Dirty pagans. Buddhism is literally the religion of cucks.
>>81492572
>>81498123
>>81498633
>being this new
>>81498279
> blind person simply has to assume there exists such a thing as color
But colors is a illusion. Lol.
>>81498174
Alan Watts does some very good talks about Jesus and Christianity; you can find them on JewTube. I agree with him when he says there is a difference between things that are MADE and things that are GROWN, and our universe looks like it was grown, not made.
>>81498676
>This is what atheists teach their children
Yikes
>>81498613
Read much? I'm saying that if you WEREN'T poorly educated you'd be able to understand the premises of your own mystical beliefs.
>>81489065
and to be a "rebel" or "punk rock" in todays society, all you have to do is think like a normal person now. love your country, support the troops and shit like that
>>81498279
Why is it God and not, for example, Samadhi?
>>81498847
Anything's better than an ancient book of Jewish fairy tales
>>81498272
Oh God, no. Please don't be true.
>>81498676
Death is demonstrably not the end of life. Fact: People died before you. Fact: Life still exists. You are mistaken when you think there's some magic difference separating yourself from the rest of the universe - you are continuous with it. Is the air in your lungs you? Is the air pressure keeping you from bleeding out your eyeballs you? Is the ambient temperature you need to not freeze/vaporize you? The existence of a self separate from the entire universe is in one sense something like an optical illusion. Eastern philosophy understands this. Western philosophy, with its fanatical insistence on cutting things into pieces and then asserting that the pieces are more real than the whole, does not.
t. Taoist 150+ IQ
>>81498570
>Are you an atheist?
I don't believe in any gods, so my non-belief defines me as an atheist.
>If so, then yes you do believe this. Or are you denying the Bigbang now?
The Big Bang is a scientific theory postulated to explain why all the mass of the universe is still accelerating outward from a single point. This type of behavior closely follows Newton's First Law of Motion. It is very similar to the natural phenomenon of explosions we can observe directly here on Earth.
I accept the Big Bang for what it is - a theory.
>>81499078
So you turn to the modern book of Jewish fairy tales, complete with your own miracle of creation.
Everything sprang from nothing. Intelligence can be passed down from nothing. Order comes from chaos.
>>81499195
Okay I saw it now what
>>81499016
Well, I'd argue that they're the same thing, it's just the West has a very primitive idea of God for the most part. The best Western traditions on this IMO are the Via Negativa. The Apocrypha of John is an excellent example
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-meyer.html
>>81494392
would fuck that teabag
>>81489065
That's the point. I'm not even religious, I just like to piss off faggots like you who just CANT STAND IT when someone else with different opinions.
>>81497184
>which shows that when you die you just
Following your argument - that's not the logical concussion or what you were saying. You are a very confused person.
>schizophrenia is very common and is connected with people getting voices in their heads,
I know that a common argument among strictly atheistic people is that any involvement in spirituality/religions and so on is considered an irrational activity.
And the instant response to any argument: >Your direct experiences of spiritual realities are manifestations of a serious mental
disease, psychotic distortions of reality caused by a pathological process afflicting the brain.
But how would an edgy atheist in this situation know on which side he actually is - not to mention that his story is pure tantrum.
>there are thousands of religions and no one can say which is true or not or can prove it
Jesus said He came to deliver people from philosophy of man and from paganic cults, religions and rituals - his whole sets of teachings are preserved until date - and are pretty accurate as in the form they were when Apostles wrote them.
Most of the religions - hundreds of them today are small cults between cities, small families - small groups of people.
There are three main religions in this world today: Christianity (2.1 bil) Islam (1.5 bil) Hinduism ( 1 bil ) Buddhism ( 376 mil)
Buddha said his religion will last only 500 years - and the Buddhism we have today is not veneration of Buddha - it's more of an philosophical system, that teaches non attachment - it has two ways the way devoid of spirituality, gods, teachings that enforces meditations and techniques - which is the most spread, and its counterpart that enforces absurd concepts of gods, beings and so on.
Islam just mindlessly claims that bible is corrupt and that's why it's wrong - although we found multiple scrolls in the last decades of both Pentateuch and other biblical texts,
>>81499465
Go and do it
>>81499418
You don't have the foggiest clue what I believe spanky
>>81499353
Explosions here on earth are a volatile reaction of two elements/chemicals coming into contact.
What caused the Bigbang to go bang?
>>81499558
Why don't you share then? Or are you afraid of getting embarrassed?
>>81499533
including more sources for new testament text - which show that even if there are mistakes done by scribes or small additions or removal of passages to do physical limitations on the pergaments - the meaning and the core teachings are intact.
And some of these core teachings are: to no kill, to not steal, to not be a sexual deviant.
Amusing is that the Muslim paradise is described as a place of carnal pleasures where you have intercourse with women and do most things which are forbidden in judeo-Christian tradition.
So it claims to conserve the essence of God, while contradicting Him in every possible way.
I don't want to argument much against Islam but there is much to be said.
>>81498676
>putting your faith in man and his inventions
>praising materialistic things
kys
t. Christian 128 IQ
>>81498633
>Source on that pic please, love me some albino's.
I find albino's fascinating, too. I feel bad that they suffer from extreme phototsensitivity, but the fact that they fail to process copper adequately is intriguing.
>>81498052
low as the amount of papers and theories of a natural creation vs the amount of intelligent creation
well, a being is something concerned with its everyday life, to live longer, to procreate, to have fun, but a being of that scale shouldn't be any of that, i find theism to be true in the sense that you could believe that god is time and space, time being his consciousness and space being his body, although he can't make decisions, so thats the part its missing
>>81499533
how is it not? humans are much connected like computers, have you ever been educated or neuroscience? i didn't get what you meant by your second paragraph, you just pointed out that its an argument, also a lot of numerous religions have said that as well, the Quran says so too, why is your one the true one? and also there are a toooooon of other died out religions, less popular religions etc that say that same thing,
>>81498364
were you replying to me? well, anyway, yes it does, as the argument being that there are thousands of religions meaning that yours doesn't have to be the true one, and also the argument that the bible changed as to fit the needs of the people and not just because its the holy words of god, and also, there are very similar things in the world, the possibility of a world-like planet existing in our galaxy is very high, in fact not just one but a ton, the coincidence of our earth is perfectly normal as it was the possibility of it happening in 100 billion planets, which is very big, i told you how the brain proves it, i hate repeating myself but it does because its connected as a computer and computers will surpass human intelligence, and if a computer dies then it doesn't have a soul, also exactly why the things are written by "People hearing the voice of god" it can be connected to schizophrenia, i don't think that any type of scientific research which contradicts every religion will refute your religious mindset so theres no point in trying to argue anymore since it seems that you have chosen your escapism, although its healthier to have an escapism which doesn't claim paranormal events, doesn't seem like theres point to replying to you anymore, reply if you want but it would be just your waste of time
>>81498911
>I'm saying that if you WEREN'T poorly educated you'd be able to understand the premises of your own mystical beliefs.
If that is your claim, then prove I have "mystical beliefs".
CURRENT CENTURY!
>>81498633
she's a whore
Come on, atheists. I thought you were all logical and scientific n' sheet. Can't any of you even come close to refuting my arguments?
>>81500186
My beliefs are not to argue - they don't lie in anything that can be argued.
>>81499216
Yes, we fertilize the ground and become flowers and fruit. We're all carbon children of the stars. And life is just minerals. A big compost heap. You may be 'living' forever, but that doesn't make you sentient. The universe breathes just like the Earth but it can't consciously make a choice and shoot an asteroid at OP. I get where a Taoist comes from but my western mind refuses to apply 'spirituality' to it. Either way, there's no reason to fear death.
t. Redpill 9000+ IQ
>>81500186
You also seem to be very childish - you did not read my proposed arguments, and you kept insist on an illogical path.
What you could simply say to simplify everything is that you reject God and do not care of a serious dialogue - you'll back your belief up with an emotional stance.
>>81500398
>Mystical to the core, yet Hollywood to the max.
See this >>81499700
You're literally saying that nothing exploded for no reason and created stuff.
i am right and you are wrong
t. aeon ∞ IQ
>>81500834
Why does 2+2 = 4 and not 5? Did god make that rule?
>>81500532
>nudes
WHY DID I NOT HEAR OF THIS?
>>81489065
I find it hard to believe that people can subscribe to made up gender categories to the point of delusion in the 21st century.
>>81499216
>Death is demonstrably not the end of life.
Well, that would be the medical definition. And the legal one. And the biological definition. Linguistically it is the correct language.
There are idiots running around who say Tupac is still alive after that weird Machiavelli reference, but I'm going with he's fucking dead.
>>81500984
she posted them on her twitter or ask.fm page, a while back
>>81497756
>rejects the Law of Entropy
Entropy of a system can decrease.
>>81500136
>low as the amount of papers and theories of a natural creation vs the amount of intelligent creation
you have a pretty short memory span, earlier you admitted that 'what people think has no bearing on what is real'
why would the amount of theories factor into whether or not God exists?
isn't it dishonest to say that there's a 'low chance' (<50%) of it being the case when you have no way of calculating it?
>a being is something concerned with its everyday life, to live longer, to procreate, to have fun
no, a being is something that has the property of existing, it doesn't necessarily have to have the desire to live longer, procreate, and have fun.
but let's say for the sake of argument that it does.
>but a being of that scale shouldn't be any of that
why shouldn't it? i don't see how that's logically contradictory.
Christians (and i'd think most theist in general) don't ascribe the properties of 'wanting to live longer, procreate and have fun' to God anyway.
>Fear of death.
>Reluctance to take moral responsibility for their actions.
Main reasons for believing in God.
>>81500959
Humans invented math, not god.
>>81500959
I'll answer your questions when you attempt to answer mine. Besides, your question is foolish, and implies your underlying fallacy, that you think the laws of physics and the creation of matter is all the product of magic. Are you also a wizard? Because all your mysticism would be more understandable if so.
>>81500663
People talk about death as though it is going to sleep and never waking up. But I think the bigger mystery is - how did we wake up without ever first having gone to sleep!? There is something very strange going on here. I think simple reductionism is an attempt to sidestep this mystery, not solve it. I have experienced a variety of non-standard states of consicousness that suggest to me that mystical beliefs and survivalism have a foundation in evidence, if not "scientific" evidence. Hell, I've been walking down the street and I got shot in the chest point blank with a shotgun by a mugger. I FELT the impact. I saw the ground while lying on my side. Then I felt a brief period of weird consciousness and bam, I wake up and sit bolt upright in bed. Enough experiences like that will get you really thinking.
When do you realize a dream is a dream? Upon awakening. I think life is a dream, a maya in consciousness, and death is just waking up. In fact I think there are probably infinite layers of waking up, with "islands of stability" that we call worlds while we inhabit them.
>>81498803
Highly relative, if you look at how complex nature is you will doubt how all that happened randomly. You will think that there must have been an engineer behind all that.
Just look at how your body works. How it reacts. Look at your DNA. Wonder how that things appeared randomly. It's much more likely that they were designed.
>>81501431
>Consciousness is just electrical and chemical impulses
>I'm already dead inside so I fear no death
>>81489065
I'm a Christian.
>>81501507
I don't think there was an engineer - no engineer could possibly be so autistic. I think there's a kind of expressive, self-transforming pattern that iterates itself from the simple to the highly complex. The complexity of our current universe seems to me like something that grew, not something someone sat down and designed.
>>81501474
Nobody owes you jack shit spanky. You're not important or interesting and you have nothing of value to contribute. No one cares about your completely predictable and average opinions.
>>81499700
>Explosions here on earth are a volatile reaction of two elements/chemicals coming into contact.
You may want to sue Trump University over your phony Science Badge. Combustion is the primary catalyst for explosions. Fire is not a chemical nor an element. Unless the last science class you attended was the "Fifth Element".
>What caused the Bigbang to go bang
I fail to believe in your gods. My non-belief does not require me to have all the *other* answers in the universe.
In fact, if you believe you have all the answers, I'd rationally suspect you don't really.
>>81501507
Exactly, it's literally belief in magic to suggest otherwise.
look at all these children, arguing one over the other in manners where both sides don't understand eachother. It's like watching birds ruffling up their feathers to intimidate each other.
we as a species aren't even close to unlocking the secrets of the (known) universe yet, and those who are putting their efforts to obtain a better understanding, do not post on an anonymous anime image board website.
>>81492488
This
>>81501467
So before humans came along, if a money put two oranges in the same pile as two other oranges, there might have been five oranges?
I don't think so!
There are fundamental laws in the universe and they weren't invented by anyone or anything. They just are. It's unsatisfying but it's the truth. Some things just are - most things. No inventor is required.
>>81501973
>and those who are putting their efforts to obtain a better understanding, do not post on an anonymous anime image board website.
But they're all scientists of course ;)))
>Jesus face when you don't believe in god.
Why would you do this to Jesus?
>>81501834
But how can DNA "grow"?
Accordingly to scientific theory when Earth was formed all you had was CHOM (Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen and Methane which is really just Carbon and four atoms of Hydrogen). Somehow something as complex as DNA appeared, as well as all other elements.
You just can't say that stuff appeared out of nowhere or simply grew, that is just illogical, and if it is true how come nothing is growing anymore?
Can you even imagine DNA "growing" from a bunch of CHOM atoms?
>>81501278
Well fuck. Thanks, anon.
>>81500546
>Can't any of you even come close to refuting my arguments?
Nothing to refute. Arguments made without evidence are dismissed without evidence.
>>81502028
you do know that everything can or can not exist at that very moment in space time, right.
what you say, is irrelevant.
>>81502028
You cant prove they werent created by god
>>81501431
This nigga gets it
>>81501507
>happened randomly
It's not random, though.
There are consistent forces in the universe that create order.
>>81501939
>Combustion is the primary catalyst for explosions. Fire is not a chemical nor an element. Unless the last science class you attended was the "Fifth Element".
Whatever you say, you claim the Bigbang mimicked earthly explosions. Now explain what caused the Bigbang to go bang. Or were you just making bullshit up by claiming the Bigbang mimicked earthly explosions?
Explain your Flame of Creation that caused the universe to come into existence by blowing shit up.
>>81490082
>im scared of death better kill myself
fucking lol
>>81502326
Why are your consistent forces more real than God?
>>81502028
False. Natural laws are invented, not discovered. Is a C++ program true or false? Neither, you either get desired outcomes or you don't. The universe is under no obligation to obey the laws we've invented, they just help us design better tools and measures. Math isn't a search for truth, it's a search for better intellectual tools. Suggesting otherwise is actually a queer form of Neo-Platonism, like there's a bunch of equations floating around in the ether just waiting for a human to pull one out.
>>81502265
And I don't need to.
Rational people know that 2+2 doesn't equal 4 because God decided it does. It just does. You put two things with two other things there are four things. God is not required for this or any other natural laws or the things that result in the cosmos as a consequence of those laws.
>>81500875
This guy is legit.
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>>81502235
>God does not exist
>not a claim without evidence
m8
>>81502447
>2+2=5 until someone invented math
kek no are you fucking serious right now? come on no one is that that stupid for real right?
>>81500756
i replied to everything with an argument its you who doesn't want to mainly because religion is not based on logic but anecdotal beliefs and thus it cannot give proper arguments, has been proven over and over again how the clams of the bible and other religions contradict the laws of physics, astronomy and biology, other sciences as well, well i have put my arguments there if you want to you can re-read them, or learn some physics, astronomy, biology or something, or if you have, try to see why they empirical evidence > anecdotal evidence, and also try to rationalize, thats my advice, good luck friend
>>81501430
>what people think has no bearing on what is real
well, there are some theories which contradict the laws of physics more and others less, the ones which do less are usually the top ones and the ones that do more are usually less trustworthy, because physics is everything we knot about in our world, one thing which proves that god doesn't exist is that the world is very, very random, our existence is random, our existence had a huge chance of happening here, or elsewhere in the galaxy, thats why if you want a god call it time and space, or really just e = mc2
a being does need to live for something does it not, a being capable of creating the universe should not have any hassle about anything, such an advanced being should just want to exist, not to make decisions, thats why you can call it time and space or e = mc2, also god in Christianity has a loot of personality lol
>>81502174
It grew because the universe is an iterative process that sort of... twists around itself, generating forms of higher and higher complexity as it evolves.
>>81501507
>appeared randomly
This is a difficult question. Randomnicity
may not exist.
>>81502447
lmao
Who invented gravity then?
>>81500834
>Mystical to the core, yet Hollywood to the max.
How so?
>You're literally saying that nothing exploded for no reason and created stuff.
You have extremely poor understanding of basic science. The Big Bang Theory does not claim "nothing" exploded. It suggests the universe was super dense at one point.
If we don't know the reason we can't make the illogical assumption that there was "no reason"
Please continue your 6th grade science course and get back with us when you uh, graduate.
>>81502634
So you're saying that the universe is just prone to create complex forms of life by itself?
Isn't that like saying the universe is the engineer? The only difference between a Christian creationist theory and yours by this point is that the Christian God can make the universe instantly while in your theory it just takes some time.
>>81502435
Because DNA is more complex structure than God.
>>81502589
2 + 2 didn't equal anything before someone invented math. Write 2 + 2 = 4 on a stone tablet in 100,000 BCE, present it to some Neanderthals, and it will be meaningless. It only has meaning within the context of a society that has a concept of discrete numbers and recognizes those symbols.
Also praise Kek. I have no problems with Kek being elevated to a kami.
>>81502139
you don't need to be a scientist to have an interest in the universe. The difference between scientists and lets say, a 20 year old who read an article on blackholes on buzzfeed is that one has put in a lot more time in than the other.
>>81502265
can you think before you want to type something? Or are you going to play that card whenever you are refuted.
>>81502850
Isaac Newton invented gravity when he formalized an equation to describe it. That's not to say that objects didn't fall before Newton. But gravity, the specific concept and the equations describing it, began with Newton and continues today, largely unsolved.
>>81503046
Do you fully understand God and do you fully understand DNA to make that claim? Jesus specifically says that humans can't fully comprehend many divine properties and subjects, therefore they are explained to us with metaphors and analogies. If you are basing your claim out of those analogies you should be aware that you don't know the big picture.
>>81489065
GUARANTEED REPLIES
Can you state your reasons or nah?
End time prophecy is evident.
T. Anishnaabe patriot G
>>81502476
you're right there, But you need God to keep your people from becoming depraved perverted sodomites that will destroy your civilization. The US is abandoning god and gays and feminists and degeneracy in general are on the rise. Easter europe may be economically poor but we have a strong and healthy family structure thanks to religion. The Bible is basically "Morality and civilization survival for dummies", which people need.
>>81502907
>The Big Bang Theory does not claim "nothing" exploded. It suggests the universe was super dense at one point.
>If we don't know the reason we can't make the illogical assumption that there was "no reason"
>>81499353
>The Big Bang is a scientific theory postulated to explain why all the mass of the universe is still accelerating outward from a single point. This type of behavior closely follows Newton's First Law of Motion. It is very similar to the natural phenomenon of explosions we can observe directly here on Earth.
>>81501939
>Combustion is the primary catalyst for explosions. Fire is not a chemical nor an element. Unless the last science class you attended was the "Fifth Element".
Please, explain yourself.
Tell us about this Flame of Creation that caused the Bigbang.
>>81503168
> is that one has put in a lot more time in than the other.
No. The difference is that pop-scientists do not scientifically understand what they claim they know
>>81503243
Idiot.
Newton didn't "invent" gravity.
It's one of the laws that governs the physical universe. Mystical fagot.
>not practicing the truest religion there is
Its like you guys cuck yoursels on purpose
>>81502159
>Why would you do this to Jesus?
Jebus was a North African Arab.
That guy sitting on the rocks looks more Scandinavian than Middle East Arab.
>>81502435
What does that mean?
>>81503256
>DNA is more complex structure than God.
It is so difficult to understand? I feel god right now. And I'm a geneticist. I can feel the difference in complexity.
>>81503317
Eastern Europe*
>>81503168
Because the question is how come 2+2=4? Thats true whether you have god or not.
>>81503003
You're hung up on this concept of engineering. A car is made out 30,000 parts. How many parts is a flower made of? A car is assembled bit by bit on a machine line, while a flower grows outwards from a germ or seed at its center. It's a very important difference to see.
>>81503633
>Feel
More now we have emotion to add to the mystical atheism.
>>81502365
>Now explain what caused the Bigbang to go bang.
Why would I need to do that? It has nothing to do with non-belief in your fictional gods.
>>81503493
The universe isn't "governed" by "laws." It's funny to me that scientism is just reheated medieval scholasticism, the only part you've left out is God.
>>81489065
Are you albino?
>how come f+a+g+o+t = fagot?
Can heists explain this? Memes are real.
>>81503467
You. I like you.
>>81503973
>The universe isn't "governed" by "laws." It's funny to me that scientism is just reheated medieval scholasticism, the only part you've left out is God.
More mysticism, I suppose you'll argue that objects have the potential to levitate next.
>>81503621
If you think that God is not real but that the "consistent forces of the universe that push toward life" is real, why is that? Sounds like you believe in something that requires faith, just like God.
>>81503746
A flower is easily made out of hundreds of parts as well. Maybe even thousands. As I said, if you take a deep look into organisms you will be surprised with how complex they are. They are prepared to react and fight every single possible situation that arises.
I can easily build a structure that builds a car by itself, automatically. If I do that it will be just like a flower. Then I can trace it back and say that such structure was designed by someone.
A flower is the same. Who created the mechanism in which a seed gives birth to life? Did it appear randomly? Is that really the explanation? Can I just dismiss life and say "oh it all just happened by chance" and call it a day?
>>81489065
Athiets are the biggest morons and hypocrites on th planet.
They should be round up and gassed with the dindus and liberals
>>81504002
Cheers
