Why is computer science a meme?
I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
I put so many hours into it so far. Am I just wasting my time?
You build nothing, you create nothing, you're just moving virtuality into more virtuality. Anything computer and technology related should be a hobby at best and never considered a job.
Do as your ancestors did, be a smith or a farmer.
Well, if you get borderline okay (and I do mean just oaky) you will always be able to find work.
>>81480799
Yes it hate Kaye Oktoberfest care ivory kronur man outfit dash no surf knives
>>81480799
>a Smith
Anon what?
I've been in the profession for 11 years. It's unfulfilling and it encourages a sedentary lifestyle.
Unless you have a project in mind that you want to make, just walk away from it. Only sadness ahead. Sure, the money is nice, but you can do just as well as a plumber or electrician.
Do something with your body. Do something physical.
>>81480570
You are better off selling stuff on eBay if you want to make any money out of the web.
>>81480570
>not majoring in EE.
>>81481667
i work as a software dev and many guys also go to the gym
so it's a sedentary job, but doesn't really stop you from doing some physical on your free time
>>81480570
Building websites is not computer science.
People think "full stack" and "software engineering" is computer science. It's not.
t. degree in computer science
>>81481450
a cocksmith
>>81480570
>yfw you are being removed by marion le pen because you are a kebab.
>>81480799
Shut the fuck up peasant, and realise there are peoples on earth who wants to leave it.
>>81481450
a blacksmith you fucking retard. your definition might be the guys who operated the ovens at auschwitz, but in america it means someone who works with metal.
>>81480570
Those things aren't computer science.
>>81480570
>Why is computer science a meme?
Computer science isn't a meme, it's just that there's a lot of low quality CS degrees where you spend years not really learning anything of value
>I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
Not sure if bait, but you meme'd yourself.
>>81480570
>Why is computer science a meme?
So many people went into comp-sci you might as well just start at macdonalds.
Get your math PHD.
>>81480570
webdev is dead anyway, the market is bloated by cheap indian labor that does half-assed work.
Glad I got into a more specialised IT sector, no resetting windows passwords for me.
5years certified datacenter expert, still love it.
>>81480799
The internet is never going away France.
Never. Remember: You're here forever.
Even after a nuclear holocaust we will be using some type of internet to communicate. After all, it just takes three computers and some wires to create an intranet, and we have satellites too.
No, it's not useless to know how to code, much like it's not useless to know how to eat.
>>81480570
>Why is computer science a meme?
>I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
Website making isn't computer science, mate.
That's like kindergarten level stuff.
>>81480799
>wanting to be a smith or a farmer
You build nothing, you create nothing, you're just moving atoms into more atoms. Enjoy wasting your life.
>>81482284
Smithing is just a hobby anymore. Metal work is done by molds. Smiths have been out of business for nearly a century. KEK
>>81480799
>A smith
>You're just moving metal into more metal
> tfw OP thinks basic programming languages = Computer Science.
Kek.
>>81482091
>being a good developer
>having free time
pick one
>>81481667
Wow, comparing a Tradesman to a Programmer. Wew lad. Enjoy your arthritis and farting/belching coworkers.
>>81482527
There's no point in moving atoms around anyways because they'll just get shut down.
>>81481667
>you can do just as well as a plumber or electrician
You must be an IT guy or have some shit tier tech job. High level software and hardware engineers make more than a plumber or electrician will ever make.
>>81481667
>Comfy job where you won't be tired and have free time to exercise?
>No, get job with body so you'll be in constant pain once your retire
>One without stock options goy
>>81482568
>HTML, CSS and JS
>programming languages
lel
>>81482747
^ This.
>>81480570
M A R I O N
A
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Im programming a coding ai to put you kids out of a job
>>81482402
How do you feel about network administration?
>>81480570
>html, css
>computer science
>javascript
>>81482747
this.
low-level programmers make a metric shitton of money.
then again the work is mostly boring, and you really have to be into programming / have a lot of know-how to land a job like that.
>>81482091
that's the thing: you have to make free time to keep your basic health, in a job that basically demands all your time.
>>81482568
Hey I did code academy, it's literally an academy, if they say I'm qualified then I am :^)
>>81482872
Oh I'm sorry, did you want me to be more technical? Scripting languages and markup languages all fall under programming languages.
Go noob somewhere else, fag.
>>81480570
web dev moves way too fast because everybody's trying to make the next big thing.
regular html/css/javascript is completely outdated. Now you need Reactjs/Redux/es2016/webkit/less-script and like a billion dependencies.
It never ends.
>>81480570
Stop being a faggot and do networking
>>81482966
>Getting a degree in physics
>Getting a job
Unapplied science is fucking useless, if there's no end product how the fuck do you think you'll get paid.
>>81482112
This. Especially not webdev garbage.
>>81482919
well with network administration you don't have the retard users depending on the structure of the business.
Usually you deal with slightly retarded IT-admins, although there are some special snowflakes out there that know FUCK ALL, and pretend they know to configure and maintain anything.
You gotta know a lot about Cisco / Juniper though. And that shit is mostly CLI, although they both have web-interfaces, but those are for retards.
I only have run-ins with people who know their shit, because I work in a datacenter, got incredibly lucky by being offered an internship, after which I was hired. It's a pretty lewd job, you don't get the whiny users, most of the time you deal with knowledgable IT sysadmins whose network went down and want some out-of-band access they forgot to plan.
>>81483167
This is true in every field. Frameworks are what companies want to see. They are not impressed by you writing your own XML parser. They want to see that you know how to use Saxon and extend it if needs-be.
>>81483167
Shit pisses me off. NodeJS and npm are so flooded with dependencies, I don't ever see that shit making it into production environments outside of silicon Valley startups.
When your platform needs a specific extra module to do something simple like copy a file, you're doing it wrong.
>>81481450
A KEK SMITH
One who designs, sells and exports all kinds of kek related items.
It will be ingraved with witty and wise quotes from the past, somehow furthering /pol/'s agenda on world politics, slowly people introduced to kek manufactured products will think twice when the next habbening occurs, their mind wonders around looking for answers and even if they didn't realize, their brain did.
It will remember that one line written on that silly toad statue; "gas the kikes, race war now"
>>81480570
Because technology changes rapidly.
>learning comp sci right now
>exactly like specializing in floppy disk technology.
>>81480570
>Computer science
>html, css and javascript
pick one
Go learn C/C++ m8
>>81480570
>build websites
>html, css and javascript....
>""""""""""""""""""'''''''Computer Science""""""""""""""""""'''''''
>>81480570
>Why is computer science a meme?
>I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
making web pages is computer "science" ...
>kill me
If you just want to start making webpages, you can just start learning on your own, the shit is basically made so any retard can do it.
JS is "complicated" I guess for a non programmer, and annoying as hell for a programmer.
>I ain't touching web design, because that's what it is
when it comes to erm "checking the security" on web pages on the other hand hehe
Nah dude real computer science drives you to machinelearning and shit like that, researching on whatever topic you specialize in. I know schools varies a lot from here and over there, but this should still be valid.
(((They))) are really trying to dumb down the unis here now as fuck too, so they can push all retards through a masters course.
>Yay everyone has a masters degree, now it's worthless. Especially since the level had to be dragged down to haul through retards.
This is happening as we speak.
you arent even doing computer science, but what you are doing is actually worth shit, unlike cs degree
cs degree is worthless waste of time and money. anyone can learn to program, all cs is is "durr muh algorithmz"
cs is the womens studies of STEM
>>81482924
This. Web-dev bullshit isn't CS.
Look at the degrees from reasonably reputable universities... At MIT and Georgia tech, 5/8s of the departmental course requirements are Math (Calculus and Probability) and Electrical Engineering
Is IS a good major anons? Doing IS right now, I hope I will make good money, but this isn't very invigorating at all right now, I feel like I might kill myself if this is my future. Not literally of course, but it feels like it. I have never been into CS/IS stuff, it feels soul sucking.
>>81480799
t. venezuelan truck driver
>>81480570
yes
>>81483580
>Go learn C/C++ m8
>Dedicating all of your time in mastering a language with some of the smallest market footprint.
Learn as many languages as you can, but be proficient in ones with the highest market availability. Java tops the list.
>>81483113
Butthurt because all you did was web faggotry rather then learning a proper systems language and getting a CS degree?
Calling webfags programmers is like calling lego builders construction engineers. You're the noob.
>>81480570
> being a web weenie in the current century
come on OP
>>81482642
>>81480570
>Why is computer science a meme?
Y'know all those jobs your high school councilors and college recruiters told you about that would be lined up upon graduating?
They're not there.
An indian fuck who can't speak the language and literally codes by googling shit and going to forums to ask for help will get the job 9 times out of 10 instead of you because he's cheaper. Ignore the fact that you are more productive and don't ruin projects because you can actually code - you won't get the job. Indians who '''''graduate'''' from STEM mills are preferred because MUH DIVERSITY and the fact that you will want an actual wage.
The Comp Sci market is a joke right now, employers go out of their way to make up nonsensical requirements (I've seen at least three places that wanted "2+ years" experience in coding with a language that's either internal or was released 8 months prior) in order to justify bringing in H1B niggers so they can keep wages depressed.
Trump dropped the ball BIGTIME when he switched his position on H1B workers.
>>81483590
>Proofs
>Calculus
>Algorithms are just like copy paste, no understanding needed
yeah ricenigger, just algorithmz, honestly working on the rice patty is much smarter.
>>81483791
>C
>Small
>>81483480
I haven't met a network engineer yet that was like "damn I should have been a systems engineer, coder, etc."
>>81483845
He's technically correct, you sound like someone from /dpt/ who jerks off over C even though you only know how to fizzbuzz.
>>81482274
Just fucking sit down and wait. I guarantee you'll leave in a few days.
>>81483573
Don't dedicate all of your time to your classes that are simply rehearsed bullshit to teach you fundamentals if you already understand them.
Spend the most of your time on project classes that force you to expose yourself to frameworks to meet deliverable deadlines. Requirements documentation, subversion, task allocation (agile development) are what companies love to see.
They couldn't give a fuck how cool that compiler you wrote was.
>>81483959
>Indian gets hired
>shit work doesn't do anything
>Company hires white guy to fix it for more
>>81480570
Computer science is a meme, because what you are doing now isn't computer science.
So many go into computer science thinking they'll make websites and shit - and get overwhelmed. They learn nothing of what people actually want from programmers etc, and much of it can be learned on your own.
>>81484014
well network engineer beats sysadmin.
Not having to deal with endusers is really the big plus in my opinion.
>>81483791
> being C#/Java whore
pleb tier
>>81484104
You're technically a non white country.
>>81480570
>websites
>computer science
So I got the terminology mixed up I guess.
Well i've put too much time into it to just quit. I want to make this into something since I'm an anxiety ridden beta fag who can't even get a real job, so something like this would be paramount to my having some sort of success.
I'm getting the hang of basic javascript as its taught in the EJ Media beginners series on Youtube. From there, I will probably go to J Query and then possibly PHP. In what field is there web developer field is there opportunity for big money?
>>81483845
> just bitching because I feel I'm superior
> not understanding that programming is programming
> not realizing I'm not defending WebDev as Computer Science
Are you really that threatened by WebDevs? I'm not even a WebDev, I program actual software and game engines.
I'm just intelligent enough to know when some skills are shared between professions. And I'm intelligent enough to that "programming languages," is a blanket term.
Something you apparently didn't learn while getting YOUR Computer Science degree.
Kek. What a fag.
>>81484271
> t. Muslim Country
CS is fine as a background for programming, do people think stockbrokers walk around every day thinking that econ101 prepared them for their real job? Just make sure you program a shitton and get an internship.
People meme-ing on js are 10 years late to the party.
>>81484178
You're talking logic. That's not how the vast majority of companies work.
>>81480570
>I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
Why ?
Just get good at design and U.I / C.M.S
All you need to do then is google specific code.
>just graduated with a computer science degree this summer
What should I do, other than kill self.
I'm trying to come up with a plan allowing me to be neet forever.
>>81484248
Talking about your country?
>>81481667
but im a cripple so a sedentary job is the best for me
I was never able to get a job with React/Rails knowledge; I had a github and full-fledged SPAs and no one cared. Honestly, it's a pretty over-saturated field that'll only hire overqualified people. I broke into IT and Project Management and am happy with where I ended up.
>>81483113
>markup languages fall under programming
>>81484104
>If you care any about learning the actual stuff you must only use c because that's what wannabe programmers says on /g/
>>81484000
Nice trips.
But C has a niche market in EE fields. You'll be getting paid less for a specialized skill, and you're if you're replaced, you're not going to find a new job any time soon. That and your ability to find more competitive compensation is significantly lower. You're more employable if you know languages that have strong framework development.
>>81484172
>muh agile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvks70PD0Rs
>>81484248
Oh look, a Brazilian without a job.
>>81480570
>I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
that's nice, but that isn't computer science.
>>81480570
Go for engineering
You'll have a handle on hardware as well and I swear fucking companies just love that extra word "engineer" along with a P.Eng certificate compared to "another fucking code monkey"
>>81483791
>always having to worry about how you can best market your meme skills instead of what makes you most competent
>living in America
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRbY3TMUcgQ
>>81480570
I have 40+ papers about dynamical systems, son. THAT's real Computer Science.
>>81483113
> markup languages fall under programming languages
>Markup
>Programming
One is for pretty pages, the other is for delivering that pretty page.
after that you get the real technical things below L7 that actually matter.
learn the difference.
>>81484615
>Muh unemployment
Hate or love it, everyone does Agile. Do you want to work or do you want to impress other NEETs on /g/ with your reluctance to understand a retardedly simple development pattern?
>>81480799
>You build nothing, you create nothing
Some of today's most complex systems, especially manufacturing systems, are run by computers.
>>81483580
this. C++ is getting real hot again these days, a lot of parallellisation, fucking lamda expressions, auto/var parameters etcetcetc
I still hate that they haven't scrapped templates, and just made it cleaner and easier.
You end up writing a lot in header files these days, to make shit generic.
The C#/java class Jalla<T> : where T System.IO.WhatEver
Yeah I don't mean to introduce garbage collecting and stupid object etc in a fast pure mem native compiled code.
Just wish they would think of making templates cleaner, it's to much shit to write.
Also why not make it fucking functional an drop the retarded {} and ; it's not the 80ies anymoar
But it is my mother tongue, looking forward to c++17.
In CS you also deal with alot of shit more advanced than just programming. Imaeprocessing, machine learning, computer buildup, making processors(in theory), PLC shit.........
I went eng->cs (only one place to go civil eng here, worked at the same time so no) so tons of maths and eng stuff, sensors, physics, robots, automation cool shit as fuck really.
>Now (((they))) are going to destroy it
>>81483972
t. hue php codemonkey
>>81483277
In the UK, tonnes of companies accept graduates regardless of degree discipline (i.e. if you wanted to go work for an investment bank or one of the Big4, you don't need to have an accountancy or business degree - you can get in with a fucking BA in history if your uni is good enough). However, these places put a premium on numerate degrees or those with 'quantitative' skillsets. As such, degrees like physics and maths etc. are at the top of the tree for HR departments.
This dude could have been earning six figures as a quant in a bank somewhere if he had the requisite programming skills or even doing audit for KPMG or whatever as the recruit year round. Basically, there's something we're not being told if he was working in a call centre.
You won't accomplish much with just html css and js. It's a start, but you need to master it and develop further to either .net or python. Most data driven websites or applications are written in those languages because it can be developed quickly and audited quickly on industrial security standards. Hope you can deal with the reality of having womyn managers not understanding your role or the job pressure, and punishing you for whatever reason they consider inconvenient.
t. python programmer
>>81484219
It's probably the best part. This'd be me if I had to deal with user.
>>81481940
>Becoming depressed because you thought you'd be building applications--not updating and maintaining an old project's source code.
>Get fed up, and tell your boss that the company you work for should place you on a team to design a new application to replace the one you're currently maintaining.
>Finding out the next day that you're required to train your new co-worker Darjeet.
>Later finding out that you're being replaced by Darjeet.
>Wishing you did something like web development, where you need to be fluent in your native language and are always either building something new or creating something more efficient for the client.
>>81484432
There starting to wise up. And It's not like they can use a program that can't even compile like most of this Indian shit.
>>81484564
It's also useful for other low-level shit, not saying you should only do it, but learning c is a smart move, even a little. Languages aren't that hard to transfer anyway. Java is super high up though too, so learn that, and if your in Washington learn c#/.net
>tfw am a machinist
>literally no one knows how to do it anymore
>only old people
>dumb faggots saying 3d printing will replace machining
>cannot make a smooth surface with metal sintering
>still requires machine finishing
I win and you faggots will pay me copious amounts of shekels to make shit for you.
t. TradesJew
>>81480570
how is this even remotely related to politics?
>>81484841
aye a physics degree could mean all fucking sorts of jobs. Especially a PhD. You have to be a fucking mathematical wizard.
>>81484817
>Just wish they would think of making templates cleaner, it's to much shit to write.
> What is Dlang
https://dlang.org/spec/template.html
>>81481940
EE is where it's at. I graduated with an EE degree last year.
You learn to code pretty much as well as CS-fags and you also gain an understanding of what is happening on a physical level. Way more valuable IMO.
>>81484778
I know the difference.
You need to learn that regardless of the particular function of the language, it falls under the blanket term, "programming languages."
These also include these subcategories you feel the need to bitch about. You would know this if you actually got your CS degree.
>>81480570
>html, css and javascript....
>computer science
>>81483959
I think hiring Indians is the true meme, CS is pretty badass overall, you'll learn how to design the future technology or consumer software of tomorrow.
CS might be a low tier degree because of Indian labor now but give it a few years and software has stagnated and become piss poor, some rare guy with standards (maybe John McAfee) will use his American labor to make something extraordinary and Indian meme will be BTFO.
>>81480799
industrial automation, dumbass
if you really believe this, move to china and make my underwear, thanks
>>81484381
They're two completely different skillsets. One are shitty 20 somethings (like you), and one are skilled professionals. I already told you - technically it's right, but technically you're also a nigger.
> I'm not even a WebDev
> Fag
No, you're the fag.
Once you have the base, learn something more niche, OP, if you want to leverage it into a job. Hadoop or Haskell or some shit. Even Ruby.
>>81483723
Under r8d
>>81480570
Because of this
>>81483791
>Java
in 2013, it did.
ruby and objective C are now at the top. the iphone platform is objective C so this should not be too surprising, although ruby is definitely for faggots.
>>81484925
Why don't you own and operate the 3D printers too?
>>81484683
Want to know your future? I'm just rehashing my co-worker's life.
>Learned C & C++ during the 90's. You were around when OOP started becoming popular, but never fully grasped it.
>Before you knew it everyone was learning Java, CSS, RESTful interfaces, ORMs, Agile Development patterns, Ajax, etc etc..
>You quickly became the useless employee that couldn't provide anything on the project. To be honest, your boss is just waiting for your to retire. Firing you would be too much effort at this point
If you don't learn new shit, you're not worth anything. I would gladly replace you with someone younger, faster, and more willing to learn.
>Be an engineer
>working as an IT consultant instead
>Don't know if I should ditch this boring job for some engineering of medical equipment.
Who is more well paid /pol/ ? A medical equipment engineer or a IT consultant.
>>81485113
Did I trigger you? Poor fag.
>>81484388
Go rape and get high, supernigger.
so many fucking misconceptions in this thread holy fuck
>hurr durr OP doesn't do """real""" CS
The vast majority of you autists don't do CS. I can count the number of times I ever dealt with the nonsense I majored in on my hand. Context free grammers, Turing Machines, Calc, Proofs, etc is largely not relevant, unless you are a professor. The vast majority of people majoring in CS do so to be a SE, just like OP (inb4 web dev isn't real SE because its not working in fucking embedded bullshit).
>Indians are taking yur joobs
No. Seriously no. If you have ever dealt with Indian """engineers""" (just look up some questions on Stack Overflow. You can always tell by their shitty english), you would know they are shit. Hiring random indian devs almost always backfires.
>All SE's are fat
No one is forcing you to be fat. I'm an SE, and I'm fit as fuck. Go to the gym and eat right. Its not hard, and you don't have to live a sedentary lifestyle just because you are a SE
>>81480570
>tfw fell for the computing and ict meme
>>81484874
trust me, dealing with endusers is cancer.
It might be fun for the first 6 months, after this you will want to spit lava through the phone because the absolute cockmongler dipshit on the other end of the phone does not understand that the fact that he the email he's trying to send won't be sent because the address he's trying to type in is incorrect.
>>81485052
I don't work as a programmer.
Programming is cancer and boring.
IT management is much better for your heart.
>people ahitting on comp sci
>while working some monkey construction job
Get into software. Move into a consulting role.
I'm sitting here lol'ing at these losers on /pol/ and enjoying my 128,000 loonies per year (30-40k USD).
>>81484841
He probably only looked for jobs in his discipline then quit when he couldn't and tried as low as he could think.
Probably too autistic to get a job too.
Also he had a PHD, companies are scared off by that because they're afraid the people will be asking too much because they tend to believe they deserve that 120k that other PHD's make
>>81483480
I'm at a Datacenter now doing low level IT work. I mostly travel to different locations doing software installs.I usually just configure devices at the Datacenter to take on the road. I'd like to complete my CCNA and work with more seasoned professionals.
>>81480570
Just pay some brown person to do that shit for you and focus on creating websites that people will use; it's the way of the future.
>>81485250
Go demonstrate in the streets, un-skilled nigger. Leave programming to us who take our jobs seriously.
>>81480799
Don't you have a truck to get hit by?
>>81483791
>Java
Excluding android. Try going to a customer and selling them a java application today.
That shit sits so deep in people here, that they won't listen that hey this is no web stuff... You will be chased out, java is toxic now.
Fuck you Oracle.
A bit old and outdated anyways, it's a bit 10 pre 10 if you ask me
>>81480799
>you create nothing into nothing
All we do its transform the matter to our will we cant create anything that it's material this implies that the only thing we have ever created it's the internet
Now go back to keep cucking muslim cocks
>>81485203
Those are chart toppers because of SF.. which is failing to bring in non Venture Capital.
Ruby & Obj. C. will be back at the bottom of the ocean before 2020.
Don't get me wrong, I already learned Ruby as to hedge my bets. It's a dumb as fuck simple language.. but lets not delude ourselves into thinking it has any staying power as enterprise development platform. All Ruby is good for is small little niche internal business apps for small team deployments.
>>81485203
So I'm guessing Ruby on Rails is just Faggots on Rails.
>>81485291
I'd tend to agree. Programmers work ridiculous amounts of overtime. It's literally my least liked part of designing a game, game engines are frustratingly boring to program.
Comparatively, IT management is a much more comfy job.
>>81484930
this.
should moved to /r9k/
>>81483590
You can't argue that it's an accepted degree along with personal projects.
>tfw admin/management by education
>write corporate programs in vb6 and vba that i learned in my spare time as a kid
>get paid thousands for my time
VB6 master race report in!
>>81480570
That's not computer science.
I kind of did the same thing though. I got a shit 2 year degree from a community college in information systems. It's AAS degree not an AS degree, so it is to get a job after 2 years and not to transfer to a 4 year school. It's a shit degree. I learned things like Excel, Access, and Visual Basic. But I heard about people getting jobs by teaching themselves web dev, so I started learning PHP and all the other shit that goes along with making website (learned HTML and CSS with my degree). I got decent, built a portfolio, and put together a github. I applied to some jobs and put my resume on some websites. I got tons of emails from recruiters. It was fucking useless. They don't read shit and just email everyone who meets a few requirements. I got one call back from a job I applied to directly and they had me do a test online that involved algorithms that I didn't know, so I failed it. This was also the time I started turning into a passionate white nationalist and decided I didn't want to work with a bunch of hipsters anyway, so I took my degree and applied to a state school where I am now pursuing a CS degree. Everyone is different, and people do get jobs doing what you're doing, and I am very confident I could have gotten a job if I wanted to. I put a lot of hours into too.
>>81485045
Yeah. CS is for people too dumb to do engineering.
>>81485409
>I'm at a Datacenter now doing low level IT work. I mostly travel to different locations doing software installs.I usually just configure devices at the Datacenter to take on the road.
So you work for a company that has devices in different datacenters?
or do you work for the actual datacenter.
For me personally it's the latter.
CCNA is very valuable to have, be prepared though.
Know your terms such as OSPF, RIPv2, VLSM, Routing, IPv4, IPv6, and the basics behind them.
>>81485214
this happened to me except for the "useless" part.
C programmers are paid well in a few niche areas because nobody else can do it anymore. i was using it in government-funded research but i simply pivoted to java and node.js to stay competitive -- and i'll do it again, too, when the time comes.
the single worst thing you can do is love a particular language. it is just a tool.
t. CTO w/15 years experience
>>81480570
They have programs that do that now.
Put down the Notepad++
If you're in CS then you need to be learning...
C++
Scripting Logic
You shouldn't be building websites. You should be focusing on building game logic for video games
...or focusing on computer related stuff like databases and security.
reinvent the Sloot Digital Encoder for crying out loud (1 gigabyte compressed to 64 kilobytes... I mean come on... just imagine)
>>81485525
The fuck do you think Hadoop & Hive run on?
The top players in new enterprise development is Java & C#. And if you have a machine learning component, case closed, you're using Java.
>>81485214
I study Math, but thanks for your effort at memeing
>>81485653
>VB6 master race
what in the fuck is wrong with you. VB6 is fucking garbage.
>>81485489
No thanks. I'll sit in my $270,000 house and program with the money I've earned through my skillset.
Enjoy having posting on /pol/ being the highlight of your career. Kek.
>>81485089
>I think hiring Indians is the true meme,
Tell that to Disney.
>>81485052
>CS teachers
>"Because markup languages aren't Turing complete they don't count as programming technically"
>>81485793
Forgot to mention Spark.
>>81485325
>monkey construction job
>40k USD per year
Enjoy your scraps while my dad makes twice that a year ordering construction people around and doing fuck all.
>>81485753
>You should be focusing on building game logic for video games
I want /v/ to leave
>>81480570
>Why is computer science a meme?
It's not, it's just oversold.
>I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
Not quite what people think of as CS
>I put so many hours into it so far. Am I just wasting my time?
No, it's a useful skill in itself if you keep putting that time in to become a real master. Build your portfolio, get some UX work. You may need to do an internship or three before you get a good paying gig, but those people do alright.
>>81485359
Top level consulting firms fucking love science PhDs. They demonstrate a high level ability to work with data etc. but they're fully aware that your average Joe is impressed as fuck when you walk into a client presentation with someone who can be introduced as "Dr. of Physics..." - that's like a wizard to normal people. My guess is this dude was a depressed aspie.
>>81484841
>the UK
Just be a gay black trans woman and you'll get the top spot handed to you
>>81481667
Adding to this...
UX and designers are the biggest bunch of worthless, self-absorbed cunts. If you see a job where that company puts those elements first, turn 360 degrees and walk away.
>>81480570
> CS isn't a science, and it's not really about computers.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY
Websites are more like afro-engineering desu. You can make some money at it, but the shit will always be fucked up from the bottom, the top, and the sides, and security holes galore because nobody gives a shit.
3erewrwer
>>81485930
Yet they do, "technically," fall under the blanket term of, "programming languages."
But keep trying to defend the incorrect position, it's really exposing your idiocy.
>>81485828
>$270,000 house
>A lot
>>81485226
plz respond.
Engineer or IT consultant ?
This based poo in the loo will replace you for minimum wage.
>>81480570
You happen to be on /pol/, what the fuck are you doing?
Anyways, I had a conversation yesterday with an american guy here in /pol/.
He was all pissed off because I told him most people with a computer science degree have no clue about anything. And thats the truth.
I studied a computer degree, and I studied everything, from semiconductor level to high level languages. BJT, op amps, mosfets, AC/DC analysis, FPGA, HS PCB design, OS programming, multi-thread, AI algorithms, etc etc
It was a pretty commited degree.
If you are interested in computers, go for that and don't waste your time on bullshit you can learn from a book in a couple of weeks.
>>81484895
If you're responsible for training Darjeet ensure that he fucks up whenever and wherever possible
>>81485286
>computing
literally computer science for retards
>>81486090
Why would I spend more than that on a house? Excluding maintenance.
Anything higher is mainly wasted money.
avoid like fire: frontend,css&html,ruby,apps
do go: C#,.NET,sql,python,unity
>>81484381
> I program actual software and game engines.
Oh man. You must be the one guy in CS class that's extreme edgy.
You're the first person to raise your hand whenever your professor asks, "Who in here wants to work in the video game industry?"
>>81485280
>largely not relevant
i can't tell you how many times i had to explain to someone what the best way to solve their problem was, because they had no BS in CS but i do.
if you only ever listen to gangster rap, you yourself become the shit they sing about, because you have allocated all of your time in such a way as to exclude all the alternative possibilities, like classical or metal or whatever else.
similarly, if you only ever read blogs about neat little javascript tricks, or why the latest C# standard will be so Powerful and Great, you will never understand even a simple thing, like how to come up with the best heuristic for a bucket hash, when you need it. because you have never practiced what you didn't know existed, and you thought it was the language that gives you everything you have at your command.
>>81482578
lol no.
In my experience, the software devs who work overtime/at home often produce the shittiest code, the most bugs, and actually make more work for the team.
Go learn a trade instead. I saw a lot of people drop out and do CS instead of EE. CS is for idiots.
(((Silicon valley)))
>>81485793
The Java hate is really on the rise thanks to Oracle (who actually are total dicks and will probably kill Java ee eventually). but if you look at any of the interesting industry work, like netflix/amazon backends or just the most common sdk releases, java still dominates.
>>81485559
>back at the bottom of the ocean before 2020.
i'm betting on the same, but, results are results.
>mfw I managed to leave the programming shithole and got a well-paid project management job and just slap around programmers all day erryday
>>81486406
Actually I WAS one of the ones who always raised his hand to answer questions first. Back before I got my CS degree.
Know why? I want to succeed in life, sitting around with your thumb up your ass doesn't bring you success. Standing out does.
>>81486208
Engineer. That one fucking word alone ensues you'll be paid more I swear. Do you have a P.Eng yet? If not get one
Also working on medical equipment. Almost anything to do with medicine gets you paid a lot
>>81485594
>multi-script drifting
>>81484475
its no good just kys its a dead end
>>81484676
This.
Kills me that people don't see the hardware vacuum. Fucking hive mind.
>>81486220
This will be stopped soon. When people say "build a wall" they're talking about the economic border too
>>81486077
>"I confused coding with programming"
>"I'm in my first year of web dev classes at Devry, I know more than everyone else"
>>81486270
>What is resale value
>>81486511
We run an Oracle Database, I know the evil that is Oracle. I hate those fuckers.
But Java has been around for fucking ever & has a good suite of tools and frameworks that are hard to top.
>>81485203
IPhone is Swift now you stupid faggot
>>81486090
That depends on where your house is.
$270K in San Francisco buys you a shed.
$270K in Fayetteville, AR buys you a mansion.
I'm in Colorado and that's about middle of the road.
>>81486220
you clearly have never dealt with Indian SE's.
>>81484874
Panda panda panda.
>>81486761
>markup could ever be called programming
>people will always be there to buy your house no matter how insanely high valuations get
wow, two epic retardations in one, what a deal.
>>81480570
>computer science
>I'm teaching myself to build websites starting with html, css and javascript....
>>81486635
I'm finishing my master thesis while I'm working as an IT consultant. Thanks for the thumbs up
>>81486825
really depends. If you want an iOS job, you still need to know Obj-C. If you want to do it in your spare time as a hobby, Swift is fine. But it is nowhere near ready to take over Objective-C
>>81486582
Absolutely, and I'd be dumb to suggest they don't have their uses. But claiming that Ruby can be used for fucking everything like SF has been doing is absolutely insane. We've already gotten to a point where Ruby has to compile to Java Machine Code to be useful.
>>81480570
>see a marion pic
>it's not a marion thread
that board is shit i swear
I have a job as in online marketing, more specifically I do content marketing.
Is this /pol/ approved?
>>81480570
web dev isn't computer science
>>81486761
> Not realizing I already have my degree.
> Not realizing I'd rather not spend an unknown amount of money in home repairs.
> Not realizing I love my house and that it was worth the price.
I'm just sitting here laughing at all the idiots. Should I go relax in my hot tub? Or will that trigger you too?
Get successful fag.
>>81484874
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ONTXHS2mM
>>81485793
uhh, TensorFlow is c++ and python, so no need to be a java fag.
>>81486908
Never called it programming senpai, you're confused
400k isn't high where I live, so someone bragging about 270k being a lot and using as proof as success is pretty pathetic in my eyes
>>81484219
Users are pretty easy to deal with. They fuck things up predictably, and you can just write scripts to work around the problems (because nobody pays you to actually fix anything, and there's never time for that anyway).
Mandatory reading:
http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/92q4/sysadminguide.html
>building websites
>computer sciene
anon I
>>81486377
>avoid like fire: frontend,css&html,ruby,apps
This is standard entry level shit, though. You may not have a choice if you want to get your foot in the door.
There's definitely more money in .NET, Java or DB admin. I agree on avoiding Ruby; I've yet to see a project started AND finished by a Ruby dev.
>>81486438
Algorithms are extremely important to know for a SE, I agree. Thats why every interview drills you about it.
>>81480570
computer science is a meme because 90% of graduates have no passion for technology and do it for the money, and enter the workforce unprepared and unmotivated to learn.
the other 10% are nerds who have a hard time getting a job because companies are more likely to hire any female or minority first, then the good-looking people, as well as the sociable people.
as someone who's been in this industry for several years, trust me, I know what these companies hire, and the idiots you deal with. i've gone through a thousand hoops to get people I know with true talent hired, and they always choose the idiot or the minority quota.
>>81487072
>"I got my degree, so I have no excuse for ignorance"
>>81486619
Yeah, and you'll be the first one to fire because literally anyone can do that shit. A competent engineer however can be a dick, get paid the most and they cannot do shit about it.
>>81487100
Search "TensorFlow jobs"
>>81480799
WTF. I'm #FrenchAmish now.
>>81487311
>I've yet to see a project started AND finished by a Ruby dev.
There are plenty of complete Ruby projects. They just happen to be small internal business applications that have very little visibility.
Ruby is great for rapid development of a known userbase on a known secure system. The problem is the assholes that think Ruby should be used for everything are destroying any potential for the language having lasting market value.
>>81480799
Would be cool to be a farmer and web designer on the side.
>>81486619
kek, getting my MBA soon, two years as a dev is enough. the hours I worked were bullshit, and the safety is way worse.
Staying in CS is a meme
>>81486220
Nah, you've obviously never outsourced before.
>>81487348
oh fuck off. If you're a good engineer, you will have no problem finding a job if you don't like in bumfuckville. It has nothing to do with quotas or being good looking.
Yeah, there are a lot of people in SE that have no passion for their job, but guess what- every fucking job is like that. Most people are content just getting their paycheck and going home
Just got out of highschool, what do /pol/? I have very few ambitions that would be considered realistic, financially speaking.
>>81483167
this isn't a bad thing
1. I don't know what "regular html" is, you're always going to use some markup language to achieve your design structure
2. CSS hacking is way more difficult than using a CSS framework
3. JQuery is way more comfy to use than Javascript for manipulating the DOM and prebuilt functionality. It's like you want to go back to archaic interfaces and reimplementing basic functionality yourself because you don't want to copy a CDN url into your header.
4. All of those frameworks and programming paradigms you mention aren't required they are just solutions to common programming problems you encounter when you scale a system and they make your product superior if you spend the time to learn them.
5. It's better to have a billion dependencies interconnected through standardized interfaces than a huge monolithic code base where if you change i++ to ++i the whole system blows up.
>>81487425
> using newgen terms like a lib
> not realizing that programming/coding had been synonymous for years until certain groups wanted to feel special
> programming languages still being an umbrella term
I don't do it for trannies, I won't do it for programmers who think their shit doesn't stink. How you FEEL about it doesn't matter, it's factually under the, "programming language," umbrella term.
Yes, you're acting like trannies over this issue.
>>81487733
Finding a competent dev stateside is hard enough. I can't imagine working in a field with heavy outsourcing.
>>81487759
Hey look guys, here's your typical paycheck moocher I was talking about. I bet you'd never even installed Linux on a computer before you began that career path.
Don't pretend you know anything about this industry. I've been doing it since you were watching Spongebob in your diapers.
>>81487468
IM THE ONE WHO FIRES PEOPLE
>>81486623
Have fun not building shit.
>>81485702
We basically rendezvous at the Data center before being deployed to different physical locations in the companies network. My coworker has his CCNA and mentioned to me that the same protocols you just listed are of much importance for the test.
>>81488045
> making dumbass statements while I've already built enough to fully own my house without a loan
Kek. Are you "programmers," hateful towards success or something?
>>81487689
>The problem is the assholes that think Ruby should be used for everything
That may be. My only exposure to Ruby has been through overly excited developers that get the sales guys riled up with all their enthusiasm. Those projects always start off with a bang then end two or three weeks later when the developer flakes out and walks away. We usually ended up losing the client as well because nobody else wanted to continue the project in Ruby. It's been a few years since that's happened, though.
>>81487855
Dependencies are cancer. Dependency management usually is. Java with Maven works kind of well. But you need to prepare yourself to spend more time with dependency management than with actual coding and building stuff.
The only reason to use dependencies is to spare time. When you write everything and it's there it's way way easier to maintain and upgrade on the long term. Imagine getting a project someone else have done, it has million dependencies, you dont see whats going on and where, and you need to udpate everything because something broke down because some API was updated and function deprecated. Its fucking retarded why they'd make things complex just so they can appear more competent than they are.
Webdev is a joke, thats why I left it.
>>81488196
You're a liar.
>>81488238
Ruby is great if you have a cookie-cutter Crud app that has minimal amounts of specialization.
The minute you go past "dime-a-dozen crud application" Ruby starts tearing at the seams. The reason those projects keep getting dropped is because irreconcilable faults in the language keep popping up when you go off the reservation.
>>81486674
The problem is that there is a vacuum and lack of innovation in consumer hardware. It has gotten faster because they have found ways to push more power through it and make it slightly smaller
The key is with CEng you learn the same coding that CS does plus you get Electrical Engineering. You're never really unemployable. And this is what you really need in the depression tier leaf economy. I could design circuits or I could code I can work as IT or if the situation got so bad economically and I had to I could move to Hicksville where it's cheap to live and just fix computers.
Employers love engineering degrees and anyone who can put P.Eng after throbs me because like my dad told me when I was younger "engineers have historically and even now been held to a higher standard than scientists because we are more we are applied science. If a scientist fails in the lab he can try again and again if an engineer fails in his work even the tiniest bit lives can possible put at risk" now nothing I have ever done could have any negative effects on life but the fact is computer engineers go through the same high standards and organization as the people that make sure that the new bridge doesn't come down and kill people
>>81485511
>hit by truck
Hey ,this week France and all? Come on dude.
>>81484925
What exactly is a machinist? I'm too much of a lazy POS to google it
>>81488423
> because I'm successful, I'm a liar
Kek.
There ya go folks! It's been proven how SJW-like, "elite programmers," are.
Those of you who haven't tried to defend this dumbass stance, may success smile upon you in your career choices.
Those of you that have... Get another job, you don't belong anywhere near computers.
>>81484925
So what part of your job couldnt be replaced with a computer in the next 5 years?
>>81487968
>hurr durr your not a real engineer
Case in point. People like you are exactly why SE has become such a shitty toxic environment. Its never enough, you always have to be king of the autist nerds. Its exactly why normal dialogue is impossible. The arrogance of most engineers is unbelievable.
>Hey look guys, here's your typical paycheck moocher I was talking about.
I'm a SE in Silicon Valley. I have my own LLC. If that makes me a "moocher" thats great.
> I bet you'd never even installed Linux on a computer before you began that career path.
I've used and installed plenty of linux distros. Mint, Ubuntu, etc. If your proud of installing fucking Linux on your computer, you should try going outside every once in a while
>>81488400
>The only reason to use dependencies is to spare time. When you write everything and it's there it's way way easier to maintain and upgrade on the long term.
You are a total fucking moron. I hope you die in your sleep. Idiots like you try to re-invent already well-defined libraries like Saxon, Hibernate, Spring, etc. and only come up with complete shit half-baked ideas.
It takes fucking minutes to update dependencies using Maven. If your major problem is you can't test changes introduced by updating your dependencies, then you're also a fucking moron that doesn't know how to write tests.
Halp me /pol/
I have lots of time on my hands and I have no idea what the fuck to direct it towards
I'm 20 interested in software engy but I'm frightened by so many people having shit experiences with the jobs they land, what's a good career path to go for in IT and what can I study on my free time RIGHT NOW that's mega hyper useful to get ahead and how do I learn it??
We obviously have a couple guys in the business here so help a nigga out
>>81480570
She's such a cutie
>>81485992
thats pretty much where we are at here too
luckily at this point someone who checks all those boxes won't be even close to qualified
only a matter of time though really
>>81488854
This whole thread is filled with morons, man.
Amateurs trying to act like masters. Step back and laugh, getting angry at them doesn't do anything.
>>81485667
>white nationalist
You want to be a geek or a dickhead?
>>81489030
I'd be less upset if I wasn't currently dealing with a project written by a similar moron where they tried to write their own ORM.
Said dumb asses then built a database around this piece of shit ORM.
I find myself constantly "coding around their mistakes"
>>81485045
That is the way I see it.
Ultimately a CS degree is useless if the power goes out.
Engineering is timeless and essential...
After nuclear annihilation, we will rebuild.
>>81488694
>I program actual software and game engines
>game engines
Go back to /g/. Anyone in the industry wouldn't say shit like this.
>>81488400
Modularized software systems connected via standard APIs are an objectively superior software programming paradigm. You're complaining about something different which is web development obsession with using frivolous technology.
You can either program it yourself or reuse someone elses code, and if the latter is what satisfies the requirements then it is always the best choice.
>>81489234
Except I am, and I did. :O
Triggered? I breaking your world-views.
>>81488854
t. never actually worked in the industry.
I've been doing this shit for 15 years. I know what I'm talking about. You fail to see the big picture.
Dependency management is necessary, but its shit. The less dependency you use the better.
Softwares worked before dependency management was a thing too. Interesting, huh? Now we just add a dependency for every other shit like widgets, computation etc. then try to customize them to death. I've been involved in big projects (3+ years, dozens of programmers) and whatever dependency we've started using first always bit us in the ass later when business decided on some super fucking custom feature, or optimalization.
And its not fucking website building tier shit, think of building trade platforms where 1ms is a fucking long time.
We've forked so many libraries when they turn out they are not perfect (nothing is), they cant work together with other dependencies, they need to be upgraded because the developers dont do it anymore, or they need to be optimized because they are shit.
EVERY SINGLE DEPENDENCY is a liability. But yeah, if you wanna build your school website, go ahead.
