We will never travel the space.
We will never travel the speed of light because mass can't travel the speed of light
We will all die on earth
Humanity only home Earth
WE ARE BASICALLY NOTHING BUT DUST IN SPACE.
ENJOY.
I feel comforted that the human race will be obliterated.
This is why you need to go to church, anon.
>>81430695
I wish I could believe in a religion, but i'm too far gone.
>>81430421
We can still create memes and send them via radio waves through space. Maybe some aliens want to share rare frogs with us.
>>81430421
Bitch, what?
>>81430859
40 years a filthy degenerate atheist then one day i found the lord . No one is to far gone
>>81430626
Same here, literally don't give a fuck what happens to humans. I'm just a living being in a human body.
>wormholes and FTL won't be discovered
stay optimistic
>>81430421
>Nothing but dust in space
All the more reason to fuck islam up
em drive gives me hope
>>81430421
If you can't be happy on Earth, space rocks aren't gonna do shit for you
>>81430695
Christcucks are the biggest degenerates
>implying we don't have space fleets and based on other planets
>who is Gary McKinnon
>>81430421
Then we start with the solar system. We can do that. Not in "many human lifetimes".
We can do that today. We have the technology, or the means to invest and develop our technology in the right direction.
We start with the solar system. A Solar Empire.
Then we look to the stars.
>>81431582
How can we be degenerate if morality is subjective anon?
>>81431769
dS > 0
>>81431769
But how the fuck would you get to other stars. It's almost physically impossible. Enjoy waiting for 1000's of generations before getting to another sun. I wont be holding my breath
>>81432174
It would take one generation even with today's technology. Even hear of a solar sail?
>>81430421
We won't
Our robot decendants (or overlords) will
>>81430695
There is no heaven I don't want to go to it.
Not that I would ever deserve to.
>>81432174
>But how the fuck would you get to other stars
The main technological barrier is to get far enough away from the sun so that its gravitational pull is negligible. At that point we can go as fast as we like and will be able to explore the Milky Way.
One of the most promising ideas is space elevators which we will start with on earth and then leapfrog our way out of the solar system.
>>81431067
You mean after 40 years you just said to yourself: "nah man. Fuck all that logic and rational thoughts! I'm gonna go full retard from now on!"
>>81430421
Space is black. Who wants that anyway?
>>81432279
That is untrue
>>81432279
There isn't a chance in hell you're going 4.3 lightyears and unless our understanding of physics drastically changes we never will.
>>81432552
>At that point we can go as fast as we like
>>81430421
>implying this planet wasn't seeded by a superior race firing meteors packed with DNA
>implying we aren't already searching for futile planets and developing technology to allow our DNA to land, reproduce and evolve there
Have you even thought about this shit? Get on my level
>>81433075
*furtile
>>81433110
try again, azimov.
>>81430421
at least we have vidya
>>81433150
Robots are tools you superstitious ludite
>>81432750
In a world where good becomes evil and evil becomes good where nothing is logical anymore, i am going with full retard yes
>>81433282
that was uncalled for.
>>81432750
>logic and reason
>science and observation
reminder that if you believe kikesteins theories you are a good goy
>>81433196
That's true my polak friend.
>>81430421
Not only, the Earth is the only home of humanity but we are losing it to subhuman fecal skinned muslims and niggers that breed like rats. Soon there will be no home for mankind
>>81433428
When did you realize humanity and biological evolution is just a means to an end to create a technological race that can travel the stars?
Human flesh is not meant for space travel. We will either genetically modify ourselves or add technology as a part of our bodies.
All hail the cyborgs.
Carl Sagan was a subversive jew who used his position as Mr Science guy to push globalism and various marxist ideas.
>>81430421
>We will never travel the space.
We already are in space.
>We will never travel the speed of light because mass can't travel the speed of light
We don't need to. We simply move the space around us rather than travelling "through" it.
>We will all die on earth
Elon Musk will die on Mars.
>Humanity only home Earth
We already have a "home" in orbit, right now.
>WE ARE BASICALLY NOTHING BUT DUST IN SPACE.
We are all stardust.
>ENJOY.
I do, daily.
>>81432552
Nope soz. It requires exponentially more power to move faster the closer you get to lightspeed for anything with mass.
Better hope for discovery of warp fields, then we can get around that barrier.
>>81431067
that guy was a straight forward kick in the dick for me to stop smoking and drinking. i mean look at him. he looks beyond shitty i can only imagine how fucking horrible he actually felt in that picture
>>81430421
>needing FTL travel
>after we're done with quantum physics
buddy we have about 100-500 million years left before our own sun becomes too hot, we'll conquer the entire galaxy before that
we can deflect asteroids
we can deflect supernovae/gamma ray bursts
there are only three things that could extinct humanity right now
a vacuum metastability event
god
we wipe eachother out
>>81435147
>move the space around us
Britain will never be space relevant will it?
>>81435924
Billy no space britain
>>81435880
>we can deflect supernovae/gamma ray bursts
We can? How?
>>81435924
What is warp? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.
>>81430695
Or, if you're a proud white person and not a fucking cuckold who bends over to the hottest new meme that comes out of the middle-east, you can believe in traditional European religions instead of worship a dead shitskin kike on a stick who's fairy tales were spread by kikes and nasty sandniggers who used violence, force, and fear tactics to convert Europe into a Christian caliphate.
>>81435924
>Britain will never be space relevant will it?
Google: "Skylon".
>>81435880
>we can deflect asteroids
Yeah those last two that relatively almost hit earth were only discovered a short moment before they passed.
>>81435880
>we
>>81431067
>before morality
>after morality
You're just some atoms bro. The only thing holding your body together is intermolecular forces. DNA forms spirals because the charges are incidentally held together that way. There's no mystery or intelligence behind it. The concept of something being solid is just two molecular forces opposing one another there's no actual "stuff" there. The solid objects you see are just empty space reflecting light waves which are just oscillating EM fields and photons. Everything is an illusion. Your brain is just an accident of physics. Even chemistry is just physics in action and Physics is temporary because the universe is expanding out at exponentially faster speeds towards complete dispersion of energy to as close to 0 as you can get without reaching it
>>81436317
Are you not part of Team Human?
>>81430421
We already do "travel the space".
We don't need to travel at c, we've already found localised wormholes:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/mag-portals.html
WE will all die on Earth, sure, but Mars will begin to be colonised within our lifetime and gradually we'll set up moon bases in the outer reaches of the solar system.
And yes, we're basically nothing but sentient dust but oh well, nothing mattered anyway, you haven't added any new information.
>>81432750
Death gets too close....
>>81430421
>we will never discover the entire earth
>where the earth ends ships fall into hell
>we will all die on this flat undiscovered earth
>we will never fly
>>81430695
>i dont like thinking about ideas that scare me so i will pretend to beleive in childish fantasies
>at any moment gravity could stop being a force
This scares me tbqh%
>>81436367
>Your brain is just an accident of physics
Are you denying your own Being?
>>81436379
Why would I be that random?
>>81430421
>We will never travel the speed of light because mass can't travel the speed of light
Mmm wrong.
Einstein told us that you can't accelerate mass up to the speed of light, however we do know that the stretching of space does allow mass to move relatively faster than light by stretching or compressing the space around it.
For example the end of the visible universe is the point at which mass is moving away from us faster than the speed of light becoming causally disconnected from us, due to the Hubble expansion of space between us and distant galaxies.
Theoretically this kind >>81436116 of space travel is plausible, whether or not we can ever engineer it is another question.
>>81430964
>Maybe some aliens want to share rare frogs with us.
Underrated post.
>>81436430
>I'll pretend I know everything scientists tell me as fact
>>81430421
Tell this to the commies and kikes, so we can start killing them without them complaining much.
>>81430859
>believe in a religion
religion is just a practice.
what you're supposed to believe in is a savior, outside yourself.
>>81430421
But anon the whole galaxy is our birthright, and it is the Emperors will that we take it.
>>81436483
I got your being right here senpai
>>81436473
We would just float around, gravity reversal is terrifying.
but we can just turn the atoms off
>>81436589
check thoose doubles in my IP
>>81436519
No, we literally don't know that.
What you're talking about are Lorentz contractions and dilation.
When you move quickly, time slows down for you, and length contracts. The reason for this, is that the speed of light is an upper limit you simply cannot reach.
If I have a fighter jet travelling at 300m/s and it fires a rocket at 600m/s, that rocket is moving at 900m/s, right?
But if I have a fighter jet travelling at 300m/s and it fires a laser at the speed of light, the laser goes at the speed of light, not at (300+the speed of light).
So whenever you are moving, time and space distorts around you to ensure that you can't move past the speed of light.
So what this means is, yes, if we go very very fast, time will almost stand still for us, and space will shrink for us, so we can go really fast. But never faster than light. And it gets eventually harder and harder to accelerate as our mass would increase to make our inertia larger so we couldn't accelerate.
Also, the main problem is, rate of change of acceleration (jerk) kills you if it's too high. So even if we were to go super fucking fast we'd have to accelerate really slowly for a very long period then decelerate for a really long period too, otherwise we'd die in the process.
Chat shit get banged.
>>81436575
ive never said that. having blind faith in anything isnt good.
>>81430421
I don't want to go to space, those videos from that Canadian astronaut make it look very uncomfortable, he's always red faced and looks like he has a headache. Space is a hostile alien world where the survival rate is absurdly low. We simply don't know how to live properly there yet.
>>81436776
>we
Why do atheists keep pretending they're scientists
>>81436896
You don't know 1% of 1% of how mainstream scientific theories work and what the evidence for them is
A Muslim has less faith in the Quran than you pseudoscientists
>>81436871
I should also add, you are essentially always moving at the speed of light, and that's distributed between spatial dimensions and time.
So if I move at the speed of light through space, I don't move through time at all. Photons do not age.
And if I do not move at all through space, I move at the speed of light through time, in other words I age at about the rate we're used to since we don't move very much.
So, basically, gotta go fast.
>>81436949
>we wuz scientist and shit
>>81436043
you can see a supernova coming before it happens, since we can observe stars and roughly tell when they're about to explode , let's say a sun is about to explode 50 lightyears away from us, and we know that about 70-80 years before it happens, I'm sure we'll figure something out
>>81436226
no we didn't, we knew about these asteroids long before that, the one that hit russia we never detected because it was a: a medium sized asteroid; b: before it hit, it was aligned with the sun from our viewpoint, we weren't able to see it because of that, and NASA took steps to prevent this from happening in the future afaik
>>81437177
good kek
even blessed with those dubs.
>>81436226
Just get a kid on a hill with a baseball bat
>>81437060
Different anon here, but I have a physics degree and I understand everything I really get in an argument about to the level that the arguments reach (since normally it's with christians with no scientific knowledge who can only barely scrape the surface anyway).
But the entire point is, we don't NEED to know every theory, because of the scientific method. You know from peer review and scientific rigour of using thousands of results, correlating, finding a result with an error on it, that those results are almost certainly correct.
I don't have to be at CERN colliding particles to know that a 5 sigma result on finding the Higgs Boson is statistically significant enough to accept it as truth.
Science is belief, but it's belief in the principle of induction, and it demonstrably works - planes fly, rockets go to space, medicine cures people, the national grid works, computers, internet etc. work, and they're all based off the scientific method, so demonstrably it works.
On top of that, if we didn't believe in induction, we may as well just roll around on the ground dribbling and squirming in a foetal position in a pile of our own shit, because if you don't believe in induction, that means you can't believe in any kind of acquired knowledge at all. You can't believe in language, maths, literally anything, you'd just be a ball of writhing flesh at the point you aren't willing to accept induction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_induction
It's the one facet upon which everything we know is built.
>>81430421
just a reminder that you are on a large mineralized sphere that is already traveling through space, and, relative to other objects, moving at the speed of light
i though danes were smarter
>>81437292
>let's say a sun is about to explode 50 lightyears away from us, and we know that about 70-80 years before it happens
N'WAH ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS.
IF IT'S 50 LIGHTYEARS AWAY FROM US.
THEN IT TOOK 50 YEARS FOR THE LIGHT TO GET TO US.
SO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO KNOW THAT 70 YEARS BEFORE IT HAPPENS, BECAUSE THE LIGHT HASN'T REACHED US YET.
Get out of the thread.
>>81437060
youre right i dont and i have never claimed to properly understand them. all i know is that they do work.
religins however do jack shit. you cant pray a for a computer to suddenly materialise out of thin air, you cant pray for somebody to be cured of disease. these things have to be imagined and created by people so i place my faith in science rather than anything else because i see it in work every day
>>81437450
I'll respond to you in a bit
I just have to ask you first do you think a bachelor degree makes you a scientist?
You are a filthy xeno shill.
Get the fuck out of our planet, you spacenigger.
Space is really fucking boring. Who cares
>>81437580
>relative to other objects, moving at the speed of light
what is the theory of relativity?
goddamn murica
>>81437662
>all i know is that they do work.
How would you know that "they work" if you don't even know what works in the first place?
Popscience is just scratching the surface of scientific understanding and Internet documentaries aren't gonna do shit for you
Time is not a problem for machines though
>>81430421
Just like the Earth was flat right?
Just like breaking the Sound Barrier would kill you right?
Just like every goddamn thing you take for granted today was once impossible. We'll figure out a way around it eventually, I have faith.
>>81437679
So, I moved out of science and into a different field that has more money and women, but my Russell Group MPhys makes me literally qualified to speak on the topics I'm talking about, yes.
I give the occasional lecture on advanced dynamics and computational physics too because it coincides with my field.
My dissertation was on GPS/INS so this conversation about entry level special relativity is way below my level of expertise, and I specialised in nuclear and particle physics, and dynamics and computational physics. I would still get in an argument about entry level quantum physics. I probs wouldn't get in an argument about electromagnetism. I also studied physics & philosophy.
I mean, at what point am I qualified to talk about something that I know, when I have a Nobel prize in it?
>>81437450
>to accept it as truth.
you mean to accept it as a valid theorem, or law, therefore a basis for more theorems, or laws. a working and workable result, upon which we might build new technology and do wonderful things for mankind.
but not truth, because that is not what truth is -- which you would know if you also studied theology.
>>81437450
>Different anon here, but I have a physics degree and I understand everything I really get in an argument about to the level that the arguments reach
All you would understand is Bachelor-level Physics
>But the entire point is, we don't NEED to know every theory, because of the scientific method.
>You know from peer review and scientific rigour of using thousands of results, correlating, finding a result with an error on it, that those results are almost certainly correct.
Basically you're content with scientists doing most of the thinking for you.
Good for you anon. But don't pretend you understand what you have not studied
>I don't have to be at CERN colliding particles to know that a 5 sigma result on finding the Higgs Boson is statistically significant enough to accept it as truth.
It's worthless what you know if you do not understand why that it the case
>Science is belief, but it's belief in the principle of induction, and it demonstrably works - planes fly, rockets go to space, medicine cures people, the national grid works, computers, internet etc. work, and they're all based off the scientific method, so demonstrably it works.
Induction can only be demonstrated with logic and mathematics. Don't get your hopes up
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>>81437906
if i get on a plane and it takes me from one place to another is that not evidence enough of it working? undergoing surgery, seeing rockets take off into space, turning on a computer and going on the internet. i use things created by science every day therefore i know they work, i just dont know how.
>>81437597
>its impossible to predict with models
yes thank you for disproving "climate change" mr. "hey you get out of the thread i know science."
>>81437450
>On top of that, if we didn't believe in induction, we may as well just roll around on the ground dribbling and squirming in a foetal position in a pile of our own shit,
>because if you don't believe in induction, that means you can't believe in any kind of acquired knowledge at all.
You don't have to have perfect knowledge in order to have knowledge at all
>You can't believe in language, maths, literally anything, you'd just be a ball of writhing flesh at the point you aren't willing to accept induction.
Don't confuse logic, maths and language, with science
>It's the one facet upon which everything we know is built.
You don't know shit student mate. You just regurgitate what you're being told without understanding almost any of it
>>81437948
Indeed, I think that's the real future. We're probably just a catalyst for AI, since it'll be vastly more intelligent than us and won't need us.
Like, we're the boosters that launch a rocket and we fall back down to earth but our AI children are the rocket that colonises space.
>>81437597
the detection of habbenings in space isn't just about it's light reaching us, we have other ways of seeing what's going on
I was talking about before the star explodes, you can tell if a star is about to blow decades before it has done so, since you can try to measure it's iron content for maximum accuracy, or observe it's mass and make a projection for when it should reach that critical mass where it's gonna implode, and how long that's gonna take
all of this is possible, and I'm just a first year physics student, imagine what people like hawking could think of
also calm down with those caps
>>81438481
>i know they work, i just dont know how.
And are you ok with not knowing what the fuck it is that works you contemptible piece of shit?
>>81438467
>All you would understand is Bachelor-level Physics
Masters level. Which is way above the grade of this conversation, this is all "freshman" physics.
>Good for you anon. But don't pretend you understand what you have not studied
Literally studied everything I've talked about here. But I've also studied why the scientific method works, so.. I know that it does?
>It's worthless what you know if you do not understand why that it the case
I do understand why it's the case, my background is in particle physics, I did d0 monte carlo analysis on tevatron data and have found the W and Z bosons myself from raw data, I understand how the Higgs Boson was found.
>Induction can only be demonstrated with logic and mathematics. Don't get your hopes up
Induction is faith, there is no way to show that induction works, we just assume it does because it always has.
>>81430421
Mass can become light.
We won't though because NASA is more concerned with diversity quotas than actually making any progress in space travel.
>>81438157
You're only qualified to speak about what you yourself have studied you regurgitating popscience piece of menial student shit
Ahhhhhhh Grasshopper, YOU have MUCH to learn!!!!!!!
White House Denies CIA Teleported Obama to Mars
https://www.wired.com/2012/01/obama-mars/
>>81438688
>And are you ok with not knowing what the fuck it is that works you contemptible piece of shit?
yes
>>81436662
Oh, really?
Pic related.
>>81430421
>Humans are small.
>The universe is big.
>Therefore, humans don't matter.
Logical fallacy: Being big does not make you more meaningful. The lives of humans do matter.
>>81438815
>we just assume it does because it always has.
Induction has never been proven you ignorant moron
You've been taught nothing or have listened to nothing in your modules and in your degree
>But I've also studied why the scientific method works, so.. I know that it does?
Why something WOULD work is not proof that it indeed does
>>81438968
Then never pretend you're a scientist. And never use the word "we" when talking about what real scientists understand
>>81430421
We have the idea of "cheating" interstellar travel via the warp drive. Which unfortunatley is only a concept at the moment, but one that has been proven possible at least.
>>81439177
i do what i want mate, im a big boy now
>>81439601
Don't be a cunt mate. Humble yourself and don't ascribe other people's accomplishments to you
>>81430421
>muh light speed
Who the hell needs it ? We can colonize the solar system with much smaller speeds, and we can even make it profitable if space mining and space tourism are properly developed.
We need to go after the moon first though, it's close and supply trains can be sent easily, emergencies can be dealt with in time, and we've already been there so we have the know-how.
Mars is a pipe dream at this stage.
>>81439021
Exactly.
Only the black ones don't.
>>81430421
>We will never travel the speed of light because mass can't travel the speed of light
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4jYFyt8YY
>>81439769
>don't ascribe other people's accomplishments to you
have you seen me do that even once in ths whole thread?
>>81440088
Just a word of advice. Take what you can from it
>>81430421
>We will never travel the speed of light because mass can't travel the speed of light
Not true, SASERs can travel faster than light already, predicted to be four times lightspeed in fact. There will be a way to harness this for transportation soon enough.
>>81440187
lol do one you cunt
>>81440399
Don't be too prideful mate. There's something greater than all of us
>>81439193
Supposedly, improvements in those theories have determined that you don't need the mass-energy equivalent of the entire universe, or a planet, but a few hundred kg. The problem is that it's still a massive amount of energy. You're talking way beyond the world's nuclear arsenal, all to put a tiny spacecraft in a warp field
Here is a thought experiment - Imagine that it is 1000 years from now.
A spacecraft from an advanced alien civilization flies by the Moon, notices the artifacts there, like the Moonbuggy and the LEM, does a quick analysis and determines that the artifacts are approximately 1000 years old.
The aliens happily fly onwards towards Earth, ready to welcome Earth into the peaceful Federation of Planets.
Now imagine their disappointment when the aliens land and see decaying remnants of buildings and the entirety of brown-skinned humanity living in crude huts, poking overturned logs for grubs.
And shitting on the ground.
The aliens go sadly back to their spacecraft and fly away.
Life without White people.
Below is a RAMZPAUL Commentary on the Efforts by Whites to Protect Rhinos from State-of-Nature Africans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKQhDluwHk
Also, spot the African American in pic related.
>Trick Question
>>81436871
>No, we literally don't know that.
Yes we do know that, to an extremely high degree of certainty, many experiments have confirmed this and there's zero contradicting evidence or theories in science.
What you're talking about is Einstein which is fine, that additive speeds will not cross the speed of light as I said quite explicitly in my previous post, Einsteins tells us that you cannot accelerate an object up to the speed of light, such a speed would create infinite mass which would require infinite energy to accelerate it.
What you're not taking into consideration is that space itself can stretch and comrpess locally, not due to the acceleration of mass, an example of this is the Hubble expansion where space itself is slowly stretching meaning that objects which are stationary relative to one another in a fixed coordinate frame actually move apart from each other a real distance. Since the exansion of space does not dilute (i.e the expansion rate is equal per unit distance) it means that distant objects in an expanding universe move faster away from us.
The cosmic horizon in our universe is the distance at which objects are receeding from us faster than light, this does not break Einsteins equations because these objects are not necessarily accelerating to achieve that speed, the space between us is what is changing.
This tells us that movement through global space can be faster that light if local space around an object could be compressed and you move through that compressed space relativistically.
You might find this helpful if you want to study this phenomena, start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_horizon
And consider watching Leonard Susskinds lectures on Cosmology that build up to inflation theory at the end, you can watch them free here, you wont need math harder than calculus.
http://theoreticalminimum.com/courses/cosmology/2013/winter
>>81436519
Entire energy of the Sun won't suffice to create a wormhole for you little penis to travel to nearest vagina faster than light anon, no hope - you will die a virgin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
thread theme
>>81434082
>but we are losing it to subhuman fecal skinned muslims and niggers that breed like rats. Soon there will be no home for mankind
See
>>81441676
Proves your point pretty convincingly, especially when one considers the millions of Shaniquas like her in the US.
>>81441293
>thread theme isn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo
>>81430421
but how can space be real if the earth is flat and the sky is glass?
>>81438934
Is that Jodie Foster?
>>81437413
I keked
>>81442243
space is 4 dimensional jew
>>81439021
Okay.... If human lives matter so fucking much then name all the humans that died in the 60 seconds prior to you reading this post and I will accept your position.
Pro-tip: that is 105 names - almost 2 per second - you can't type fast enough to keep up you fucking moron!
>>81443866
>human lifes matter so much that natural death is respecting it
also some human lifes matter more then others, so his statement is totaly valid.
>>81439815
>space tourism
On a planet of 7 BILLION people, literally 7 have been space "tourists". 7 people have paid their own way into space for more than a few hours or even a day. 1 in 1 Billion. That's a huge market mate. Well planned!
>>81432552
You are the reason the world is fucked
>there are people who unironically don't want to go to space and create a massive imperium
>there are people who don't want to be SPESS MAHRENES who DAI IN GLOREYH, WHO DAI HEROE'S DEFFS
>there are people who don't want to DEEP STRIKE
Fucking heretics get out
>>81432552
Reaching light speed requires an infinite amount of energy.
>>81444613
Getting people to space costs too much at this moment. We need to bring down the cost of transferring stuff to space, and reusable rockets could do that.
It's not going to be profitable in the short run, but we have to think big.
>>81445028
More specifically accelerating to the speed of light requires that, there's other ways to exceed the speed of light, see here >>81441111
>>81445243
Space elevators are possibly in theory and are just engineering and materials problems at this stage.
Tfw you will never travel at the speed of light
The truths not out there
>>81431067
>>81435811
Who the fuck is that guy and how can he make someone believe in God after 40 years?
