Americans can't own these superior weapons, because they're fully automatic and built after 1986.
I thought you guys had no gun bans.
They make semi auto models too
Come visit and shoot them :3
>>81428130
You can't get autos unless you're super rich.
>>81428617
I would
We used to not have any guns banned but foreign ideologies have been growing stronger in recent decades
>>81428130
You just need a license to own full auto. They aren't 'banned,' but only require an additional few steps for legal purchase.
>>81428708
You can only get autos built before 1986 AND are super rich.
>people still fall for the 7,62x51 meme for anything but hunting
Its the current year
Amricans can't own these weapons because they have no Freedom.
>>81428130
There are some things you just can't buy as a civilian in America. Like the Mark 19 Automatic Grenade Launcher.
>>81428836
You can get a license to own full auto built before 1986. Because of this the full autos out there are costing more and more for you guys.
Whereas the military keeps producing superior full automatic weapons, that american civillians will never be legally allowed to own unless you overturn the 1986 hughes amendment gun ban.
>>81428915
No but after a few stamps I'm pretty sure I can build one
>>81428962
You can buy them in Finland.
Be a class iii dealer and you can
>>81428730
If you go to Vegas, you can play with the SCAR L and H in the shooting galleries. Well worth it.
>>81428962
You can buy them in Britain
>>81428836
There is no license.
Machine guns are NFA items, you only fill out the paper work for a tax stamp. What the Roofucker is talking about is the 1986 NFA. The only transferable machine guns in the US are those that were manufactured and registered before 1986. You cannot legally buy a new production burst or full auto firearm. They are in fact banned from civilian hands.
>>81428962
I thought you were free America!! But no, apparently not.
>>81431633
Freedom in America is a brand name of a product. Like Coca-cola.
Our liberty has constantly been eroded one papercut after another for well over 100 years. In fact immediately after our independence was declared some faggots took a shit all over the 1st amendment and made it illegal to criticize the government. The undeniable truth of man is that some of us are cunts who endlessly crave power, and the majority of people are weak and crave to be ruled so they abide those who crave power.
We'll vote politicians into office, watch them pass legislation that victimizes us, but so long as they claim its to fight terror we'll sing the national anthem and wave our flags. Thats Freedom™
>>81431633
The Lord And Saviour will remove all the red tape and background checks for owning destructive devices on a federal level. So that we can finally feel safe again.
How could they ever possibly enforce if gun owners learned how to modify their weapons to make them automatic?
The reason Republics tend to have a short life span is when people are being paid to be "professional politicians," it's in their interests to make more laws (take away more freedoms) or else people see them as the useless shitbags they are.
The best times are when there is gridlock and the fuckers can't saddle us with any new laws. although, here you have brussels adding on shit as well as the little bald prick so it's an extra level.
>>81431972
>How could they ever possibly enforce if gun owners learned how to modify their weapons to make them automatic?
You can make a regular AR-15 full-auto with a glorified bottle opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDWVYYJN_2Q
Although if the ATF catches you with one you're going to get buttfucked in prison.
>>81431972
>learned how to modify their weapons
oi vey, a conversion kit? why, that would be illegal! Good goys never break laws.
>>81432239
at time time full-autos would be needed, it would be civil war and the least of the worries would be ATF.
>>81432239
Been watching videos of those bump fire stocks, any experience?
>>81428130
>Ever going full auto with weapons that can fire 600-800 rounds a minute
>With thirty round mags
>That would melt the gas tube after 200 rounds sustained
No reason to ever use full auto on a rifle. Handful of reasons on a machine gun. Why would I even want full auto?
>>81432458
They're really fun range toys, but the way that they operate stops you from having any real degree of accuracy over 100 yards. You're pull the the rifle away from your shoulder, and its just impossible to do that without influencing the muzzle to a high degree.
>>81428130
These weapons have civilian semi-automatic models, goy.
Also, be careful, your government is rounding up people who go on the thought crime site 4chan, m8.
>>81428708
Wasn't their a lawsuit coming up, regarding the ability of trusts to register new FA guns ?
>>81432461
there are plenty of reasons for full auto.
that said for the time being, it's probably better that we don't have itby and large.
>>81433114
Welp, that was meant for >>81428837
Lol in Pakistan there are no gun laws whatsoever. You can own a fucking tank or attack helicopter if you wanted.
>>81428130
Good job holding on to your rights there, Burgers.
>>81428130
I think the bottom one is an Assault Rifle 15 aka AR-15, it fires uranium bullets which means each shot is like a tiny nuke. No wonder people die when such a rifle is easier to buy than a computer or even a book!
>>81433114
it was cucked by the court immediately before SCOTUS in a unanimous decision
they essentially argued pistols are the only guns protected under the 2nd amendment by cherry picking the opinion on DC vs Heller. I doubt the SCOTUS is going to hear the case and even if they did the current composition would not rule in favor of machine guns.
Post your Adler, Auscuck, or GTFO
>>81431513
the NFA is from 1934.
the amendment in 1986 was included in FOPA, and the NRA helped pass it for you. in fact, every time there is a potential compromise that sells out the 2A in favor of fudds and their expensive hunting rifles, the NRA is first in line to make it.
OWNING WEAPONS? LET ME TELL YOU A STORY! I LIVE IN HONOLULU HAWAII. I AM SUBJECT TO MULTIPLE ILLEGAL HOOPS THAT I HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TO GET A GUN. AND THEN WHAT? THE COPS, FEDS AND MILITARY GIVE MY PERSONAL INFO OUT TO THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH GROUPS BECAUSE I DARE TO BUY A GUN LEGALLY AND BE UNDER A CERTAIN INCOME THRESHOLD AND NOT HAVE THE PROPER POLITICAL OPINIONS.
SHIT, I EVEN TALK ABOUT HOW METH AND CHILDREN ARE TRAFFICKED THROUGH HULA'S GAY BAR WITH THE PROTECTION OF THE GOV.
ANYWAY, THEY GAVE MY PERSONAL INFO OUT TO THESE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH GROUPS AND TRIED TO GET THEM TO MURDER ME. I AM MALE, THEY ALSO TRIED TO RAPE ME. WHEN I TOOK LEGAL, MORAL STEPS TO PROTECT MYSELF AND MY FAMILY, THEY GOT SCARED AND USED THE POLICE AND COURT SYSTEM TO ATTACK ME AND MY ELDERLY PARENTS.
AT THE TIMES THEY GOT CAUGHT, THEY CLAIMED EVERYTHING, MURDER AND RAPE ATTEMPTS, WERE JUSTIFIED LEGALLY AND MORALLY BECAUSE I AT ONE TIME LEGALLY OWNED A GUN.
>>81431972
we know how, but everyone who gets caught breaking these laws is thrown in federal prison for ten years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Olofson
>>81432461
nogunz detected.
>>81428130
Regardless we can't have fully automatic weapons you retard. Since 1934 if I recall correctly.
Our (Democrat) government only allows Mexican drug cartels, and Al-CIAda members to have such.
>>81436060
you don't.
>>81432284
rare
>>81428708
You can't really get scars unless you are super rich either. :\ feels bad man
>>81428964
Nah. Just get a manufacturers license.
>>81431919
THIS.
>>81431513
>They are in fact banned from civilian hands.
Nigger pls. They aren't even banned from civilian hands in California. Nothing is banned from private ownership in the US. There may be a seemingly insurmountable pile of paperwork. But nothing is banned.
>>81428130
You can put an AR sear in any AR, though. Same with HK sears.
But yes, the immoral and unconstitutional registry should be abolished, along with all other gun laws.
>>81428130
As someone who has been in the military for 6+ years and has seen most combat in Urban Envirornments, 5.56 is leaps and bounds a better round than 7.62 NATO.
The person who made this thread/OP pic just thinks bigger number is better and has clearly never fired either of these weapons, much less served a combat role in the military.
>>81428130
>mfw SCARs are made by us
>>81436799
>mfw we can't even own them
>>81428962
Hmm, this doesn't look califonia legal..
Full auto rifles are exspensive. Gun collector's would lose roughly 20k $
If that bill was overturned. So it will never happen.
That and you cant afford to own a riffle that eats up 1500rounds per minute. That would be Insainly exspensive.
The only ones who can afford it would be the government. The do a gr8 job at wasting tax dollars
>>81428837
Not true, you can get a tax stamp and buy any full auto built after 1986. Dumb Australian... The funny thing is, most people think fully auto is this horrible thing, that makes the gun x10 deadlier.
Pro tip: Its the same gun
>>81436309
That's because you suck and hk hate you:
http://monsterhunternation.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/
>>81436632
Sure thing, kid.
Try to legally acquire a new production machine gun as a private citizen.
>>81436985
>It's the same gun.
Now with easy mag dump.
>>81437061
Multiple posts in this thread tell you exactly how it's done.
>>81434784
jelly
>>81435830
Dont forget Regan signed it into law
>>81437143
No. No they don't, kid.
There are no transferable NFA machine guns manufactured post 1986. Learn the law instead of talking out of your ass like a noguns.
>>81437255
Why is it only illegal to transfer them and not to possess them?
>>81436703
>5.56
>lighter
>Less knockdown power
>7.62
>heavier
>able to penetrate deeper
Muh basic m16a2 is lightweight, therefore its better then the scar-h that SF uses.
>dat logic tho
>>81437365
Transfer in the legal term meaning exchange hands. You can buy, sell, and own machine guns registered before 1986.
The government did it to permanently limit the number of them in circulation in civilian hands.
>>81436884
What kind of rifle has a 1500rpm
I thought the standard was 750
>>81437472
Yes, but is it illegal to possess a post-1986 fully automatic weapon, or simply to transfer it?
>>81437255
That's funny. Because I know a lot of people who have them. I've shot them innawoods. I've shot them at public ranges. I've shot them with cops waiting in line to shoot them. It's not even that fucking rare for people to have them.
>>81437541
You're supposed to destroy them if you want to get rid of them, or sell them to cops. That fucker only half knows what he's talking about.
>>81437541
You can't own them at all.
>>81437560
>noguns proving how retarded he is
You do not know a single person with a post 86 machine gun. You have never seen one. You have never touched one. They are matter of factly extremely rare. The cheapest ones on the market are Mac10s that sell for $3000.
There is a very finite number of NFA machine guns in circulation.
>>81437539
Ok, the Mac-10 is 1250. So I was off a few
>>81432239
A comment in that video said with a paper clip it can do it too. How would that work?
>>81437705
So it's illegal to possess them?
>>81437678
>sell an NFA item
>to a cop
No, you shit eating child. Why do you noguns even bother going on the internet just to lie?
>>81437705
Nigger pls stop. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>81437772
Go to /k/. Expose your asshole to them so they might hate fuck you for being this goddamn stupid.
My understanding from doing research is that full auto guns go for upwards of 15k-30k for m16 to m60.
You have to meet with a local law enforcement agent and be interviewed. That I know is a fact.
>>81437774
>>81437895
Stay in /v/ where you belong, noguns.
http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/chapter-9-transfers-nfa-firearms/basic-mechanics-nfa-transfers
https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/national-firearms-act-nfa
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/03/daniel-zimmerman/atf-reveals-the-number-of-registered-machine-guns/
http://www.autoweapons.com/
>>81437423
Listen here you no guns/ no combat fuckboi,
Read motherfucker
>urban combat
>lighter
>can carry more ammo on person, more rounds sent down range
>le kockdown power meme :^)
When you shoot someone in combat you don't want to "knock them down", I bet you're a 10mm shill as well...
>heavier
This is a bad thing
>can penetrate deeper
In an urban environment, this is a VERY bad thing
>hurr special forces
Are you just trolling? Seriously? Even no guns on /k/ are less stupid than you.
Not everything is super elite operator special forces I penetrate through walls xD
You're literally a fucking child who read about firearm caliber a on wikapedia, literally fucking do your parents and all of us a favor and commit suicide
America isn't free because of federal treachery.
Unless there is a revolution to reinstate the constitution as the supreme law of the land then we will lose what little freedom we do have.
>>81436884
Only the rich can own full-auto guns.
Gee, you don't say? The rich have a special right and won't let the peasants in on the fun? Sounds like the law's working exactly as intended. Keep donating to neocons and their minions, though, surely _someday_ the riches will trickle down...
>>81432896
>G3
Your ID has great tastes in battle rifles.
>>81438041
You could have just pointed out SF uses specific guns for specific missions, whereas conventional forces don't get the luxury of specialization.
>>81437998
Keep up with only half the story nigger. It makes you look smart to your friends.
>>81438239
>shitposting noguns talks out of his ass and gets proven wrong
>behaves like the noguns /v/irgin he is
Shock of the century.
>>81436884
>>81437728
You are such a beta, little no guns faggot ahahaha
You literally had a brit >>81437539 , a fucking brit, correct you on your knowledge about firearms.
>durrr 1500 RPM ryfle
Ahahahahaaha you're fucking pathetic.
I take solace in knowing that you and your family will be the first ones to die!!! :D
>>81438041
>drum magazine
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-accessories/ak74-95-round-drum-magazine-5-45x39mm-detail.html?Itemid=0
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR)[11] is a gas-operated (short-stroke gas piston)[9] self-loading rifle with a rotating bolt and a firing rate of 625 rounds/min.[10] It is constructed to be extremely modular, including barrel change to switch between calibres. The rifle was developed by FN Herstal (FNH) for the United States Special Operations Command
>>81438239
>Hey dude! I saw a navy seal use a .45 ACP sub-machine gun on a mission! He's special furces, so that means that whatever caliber he is using is the best one!!!
I'm not even saying this to be funny, you should seriously consider a way to commit suicide. Do your family a favor so they'll have some chance of survival without dragging your dumb ass around.
>>81438438
What?
I was saying to another anon asking what type of AR has a 1500rpm
>>81438619
The FN Scar is a great platform. I have fired one and I think that they are great weapons.
But this little fuckboy with zero firearms/combat experience is trying to shitpost about how 7.62 NATO is somehow a better round than 5.56, that's what we were talking about, not the firearm platform itself.
Full Auto on a rifle is only really useful for the Australian Peel. That's employed when your squad encounters a much larger enemy force in an area with dense vegetation. Squad members take turns laying F/A suppressive fire into a limited area in order to bug out. At least this is what a guy whom I worked with told me (Army SF).
>>81438858
Read that post, I wasn't responding to you, I was referencing your post in response to the other retard whom you called out
>fucking new fags everywhere
My god...
>>81438724
Did you mean to reply to me? Because I'm pretty sure I didn't suggest anything close to what you're ranting about.
>>81438941
It depends on the environment. In places like the Great Plains where you'd frequently be in >400m engagements, 7.62 would be a better choice.
>"Free country"
> Amerifags can't even own one of these
>>81438858
He wasnt responding to you. He was ripping into me for misquoting the rate of fire for a basic rifle.
The discussion was about full auto.
>>81428130
>what is post dealer sample?
Feel free to suck the meatiest part of my cock.
>>81439251
Holy shit, you're a genius!!
>>81439337
Nukes in America are privately owned.
>>81438724
They designed the Mk-17 scar, for the Special forces! Dont get mad bc you have trouble reading, Darnell.
>>81428130
And you can't own any guns so stfu you aboriginal loving faggot
>>81439442
we give nukes here out for free cunt with our fukin centrelink payments
>>81439586
We can, quite easily actually.
>>81435830
The Hughes amendment failed a vote but was recorded as passing anyway.
Apart from that FOPA was nothing but good for you.
If you could challenge it on democratic or constitutional grounds maybe you could annul it.
>>81439442
>t. Goldsmith
>>81439586
fuck off seppo, they're our abbo's.
Go play with your millions of illegal wetbacks.
>>81439442
Thank God we can shut the atoms down!
You can own em if you start a private security "company"
I have no idea where you got that idea, but it's entirely wrong and has always been wrong.
>>81439337
Fuck off Aussie my uncle has two he did the fucking paperwork. NATO can disable the atoms.
>>81429024
I need sauce on that
Yeah you can probably buy deactived weapons like these
>>81428130
>SCAR superior than the M4
MEIN SIDES
>>81439770
On an election year? That would seal the deal for Hillary. She would make her entire campaign about crazy republicans and their guns. They already parade the family members of gun violence in frount of the tv and call for gun confiscation.
Just watch cspan2. You would be surprised how many house democrats want a full ban like Australia
>>81439942
>Free country
>Can't even have nukes with atoms
>>81435973
How to impose, people who do this KNOW this is for a civil war only, so they will modify it and keep it well hidden. Again HOW TO ENFORCE?
A law that has no hopes or dreams of being enforced existing in the first place only shows the incompetence and corruption of a country's politician and government.
>>81428130
I can't own this bag of weed or the bong I smoke it out of, but somehow I still manage to have them.
I can buy my own truck. What more could I need?
>>81440166
A muzzie to drive it.
>>81440299
>sweden
that won't be hard
>>81439532
The issue is not about the forearm platform(read >>81438941 )
, it's the fact that for some reason, your uneducated, thick-skilled mind was shilling that 7.62 was a better round than 5.56, when in most engagements under 500-600 meters, 5.56 is unanimously chosen as a better round. Especially considering that majority of conflict and combat scenarios are in urban settings now. 7.62 NATO has its uses, but for you to shitpost about how it's "better" than 5.56 just proves your scope of knowledge about firearms doesn't go past a few videos on YouTube and some Wikipedia articles you read.
Stop talking out of your asshole.
>>81440428
I concede that 5.56 is better round for Urban environment, only.
>>81435973
>30 months in prison
Did they tack on more months?
Im not an expert in gun law by any means, but if I'm not correct I belive it is Legal to purchase full auto firearms as a class III dealer OR as the assets of a business. Meaning "personal" possesion is illegal w/t grandfathering older receivers.
But I only know this becuase it was a question brought up for a private/diplomatic security business that actually had a need for such weapons.
>>81431972
They cannot really enforce them. Militias are likely brimming with modified automatics, armor-piercing rounds and explosive munitions that they would like to think they have denied to the civilian population. It's all a facade.
>>81429029
This
>>81439999
On whatever timeframe you wish would work.
You could frame it as a fight for democracy.
>vote failed, amendment passed anyway
>why do you think this is acceptable?
>would you like it if it happens with [thing liberals like]
Only the most insane liberal would say yes.
>>81438941
Jeez keep 5.56 for your assault rifles and switch to 7.62 for your DMRs and anti personnel snipers
>>81441503
>assault rifles
im not a real American, i feel like firing a gun would hurt multiple areas including but not limited to my hand, wrist, should, and ears
>>81442282
Youre right, sissy
>>81428130
Why would I want a small arms automatic .308 ?
I mean seriously.
>>81442395
well, im not wrong am i? it hurts right?
>>81428130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYofCuQ02g
During a late session of Congress, a Democrat asshole gun control advocate in control of the floor inserts the Hughes Amendment restricting machine guns into the Firearm Owners Protection Act.
The vote is NO. He declares it passed. They take an electronic vote which says NO. He declares it passed anyway.
It should have never have made onto the FOPA. But now gun control advocates say because the FOPA was passed, it doesn't matter that it the Hughes Amendment was fraudulently inserted... and that Democrat fuck is still in Congress rather than behind bars.
This is why gun control advocates are not to be trusted.
>>81442748
Im sorry I dont really know those feels
>>81432234
What are you my rare friend?
TFW the closest thing you'll ever be able to get to a SCAR/AR in Australia is a bolt action 5.56 with a measly 10 rd mag.
>>81442841
Hughes is retired, Rangel is still in congress however.
>>81433415
You can own a tank or an attack helicopter in the US.
Thanks are street legal too.
>>81443307
Not true, I got arrested the last time I said thanks to someone on the street
tfw the closest thing you'll get to an M4A1 is a straight-pull AR15 with a 10 round mag.
t. A Britcunt in France.
>>81442841
Let's get this to Trump after the election. Normies won't get it, so it wouldn't help his campaign, but he could repeal it.
>>81443496
Lol, suck to be a brit.
>>81443496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fhEmufgbw
Check this out. It dances around the law.
This is why we hate Obama and Hillary.
>>81434784
shit I really like the "Desert Storm" color on guns
>>81437255
Confirmed for retard
I just had my my Scar-L engraved with my name and address as per NFA requirements.
Are you saying the gun in my safe is imaginary?
>>81443862
You know that this law was passed under Reagan right?
>>81442282
fuck off Cuntzmann
>>81443979
>Passed
See>>81442841
>>81433114
It died in a lower court. Coincidentally, Scalia was apparently planning to support it when it got to the SCOTUS. It is probably why he was killed.
>>81443016
Still a cool gun, should be better than a slingshot.
Save you a bunch of money on ammo
>>81444162
Bloody expensive here though. And as a soldier, I'd love to be able to own something at least semi auto so i can practice CQB. Kinda pointless if you have to recharge after every shot.
Will the NFA Hughes Amendment ever be repealed? It is unconstitutional as fuck to prevent the ownership of machine guns.
>>81441783
What? I thought we were talking mil here, so intermediate cal, select fire.
If civilian, then fair enough, I'm a dick.
>>81443979
Which is why any sane pro-2nd amendment person should hate Reagan.
>>81442841
I would love to hang this man from a streetlamp.
>>81431513
You can still build post 86 machine guns. You just have to be a dealer/manufacturer with the atf.
>>81443496
There are other options, eg vz58 Mars, fires on first trigger pull & bolt locks back, reloads on the second.
>>81444427
Possibly soon. Theres a big case going on right now that could open the mg registry.
>>81444812
Post link.
>>81432234
Sneaky fucking frogs.
>>81442748
>it hurts
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttMuvmspa8o
>>81428837
You're fucking stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2RRDLBciU
>>81445071
www.uslawshield.com/hollis-vs-lynch-a-very-complex-machine-gun-case/
>>81428130
you cant own any weapons fuck off cunt
>>81441322
Good.
>>81444647
Becoming an SOT and manufacturing is not something your average person does, and you still can't transfer those to a private citizen.
>>81443953
Prove it, no guns. Prove you legally own a new production machine gun.
Lets see your tax stamp and the FCG.
>>81445348
This is now a CarniK Con thread. Because AMERICA MOTHER FUCKER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhHybT_XuLw
>>81446102
Mixing coffee and spaghetti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Fciegxl94
>>81445587
Aww Ill have to return mine then
>>81428708
You can mod almost anything to go fully auto with minimal effort and zero experience as a machinist. All you need is a dremil
>>81428708
like this
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/571818112
>>81428130
Jews are doing everything they can to nullify the 2nd amendment.
>>81428130
i like mddle one
>>81436846
That's were you are wrong. You can own one with a cat 4 permit. A friend of mine actually has one 100% legally.
>>81446403
This more often than not turns into a jam-o-matic or fires until empty problem.
Keep your hands off my johnson!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuST1xl32hQ
>>81428130
>I thought you guys had no gun bans.
We have tons of guns bans. It is ridiculous. That is what we are trying to tell people.
>>81428130
Full auto isn't all that useful. Special forces use semi auto almost exclusively.
start at 24:34
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/571818112
>>81447003
Wrong link. Start at 24:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhZuuvQ9q7w
>>81438093
It's the cost of actually buying the gun because they are super expensive.
The actual cost of the license is only $200.
>>81428130
Fully auto sucks, if you want fully auto so bad, juat buy a slidefire stock, same shit.
>>81446077
>its a long process so you cant do it
Better than many countries where there is no legal way to own even a semi auto firearm.
>>81447003
>Guns
>Special Forces
>Links a Fox news video I'm not even going to watch
Hate to break it to you dude, but you're wrong. I've been to enough austere places with hard people to know auto is a regular and necessary part of the gun fight. Fire and maneuver revolves around your machine guns. I promise someone will be piling up brass with a 240/249/134/PK when you're getting shot at.
>>81447003
Special forces need to use auto for discretion.
You can't really expect to get in a fire fight against an unknown number of militants with full auto and expect to get out alive using semi auto.
>>81447003
>>81447952
Spent a minute of my life to inspect this video. Those fellows were in a fairly unique scenario and I promise they wish they had a dedicated automatic rifle or a machinegun. They were doing the best with what they had.
