You can post itt only if you are in the top 10 military powers worldwide
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
who needs a military when uncle sam does it for you
>implying USA #1 couldn't take on the entire world
Russia's only where it is on that fucking list because NUKES
>>81402732
Pic related nigga
>>81402505
Russia (Asia)
Wut?
Desu Putin has made insane upgrades to the Russian military all branches, in the past decade. It is legit modern global power now.
Western propaganda doesn't want you to understand that, but take the fucking red pill already.
Russia IS incredibly strong. I feel the only reason Russia and USA are rattling sabers after the end of the Cold War is the simple fact that there's no one else to bicker with around. The top dogs bark at each other.
>>81402732
come back when you don't get blown the fuck out by rice farmers and goat fuckers
Fuuck..
>>81403127
I know right? Fucking idiocy.
At least the roaches are labeled properly as asian.
>>81403298
There there Canada, 22 is a good showing.
Surprised me desu, I thought you'd be 50+
>>81403202
only because of bleeding heart faggots in washington, crying about
>muh rice farmers being massacred
>muh agent orange
If we had fought in vietnam with the same attitude and lack of care for sub human gooks as ww2, vietnam would be non existent
>>81403299
No complaints to you, OP.
>>81402505
Yore not in the top 10 though....
>>81403202
>1 million NVA/VC deaths vs. 56,000 US deaths
LoL liek BTFO z0mg
There should be a minimum requirement that you spend a certain amount or more on military.
Countries with joke-militaries are not countries
>>81403404
You do NOT fuck with moose. That ranking is 100% based on the moose population.
>>81403298
>>81403404
>tfw at least JTF2 are still world-class operators.
Honestly, until we at least get back up to 2% funding we're basically riding on the whole "adjacent and on good terms with the #1 military power ever" thing.
>>81403411
desu you bombed more in Vietnam than the combined bombings in WW2, but I get what you mean. Total war.
>>81403504
I hoped no one would notice ;_:
>>81403556
Even a voluntary 3 month period would do.
Also
>Canada 22
>Australia 23
Hm....
>>81402901
>but the countries are given a flat bonus
LEARN TO READ, YOU FUCKING SLAVIC FUCKER
USA
NUMBER
1
>>81403556
>Countries with joke-militaries are not countries
That's probably why america never truly won against iraq and vietnam, because they are not "countries". America always a step ahead than everyone else.
>>81402505
>Beaten by India
How did we let this happen?
Reporting in.
If Germany with their meme army can make it to the top 10 so can Poland.
Russia vs China, no nukes. Who wins?
>>81403730
Malaysia and Indonesia can take over your country in a week. Even New Zealand can annex you if they wanted
How do you feel about that?
>>81403819
As far as I know you have one of the largest and most modern militaries in Europe. Germany has rotting tanks and crumbling planes, you should be ahead and not 18th
>>81403202
>Neither side technically won, both signed a peace treaty
>NVA and cong had about 1,000,000 Dead
>US has about 60,000 dead
Wy won't this meme die?
>>81403127
Even your cats have squinty eyes, that tells you how Asian Russia is.
>>81403127
What, you think you could possibly classify as European slavshit?
This fuck since when is France stronger then us?
>>81403837
>Russia vs China, no nukes. Who wins?
Depends on win conditions. None of the major power are able to conquer and occupy each other.
Russia can devastate China and send them to the stone age tho. Missiles, bombings, etc.
>>81403837
>http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
I'm calling this list bullshit. Our military is far from good and we already are 15th.
I'm pretty sure manpower counts for 90% of the score alone.
You have a stronger military then Australia, damn, I knew they got beat by Emus but I didn't think they'd be this pathetic.
>>81403930
>Neither side won
>Vietnam completely lost to communism
>South Vietnam disintegrated
Lol keep telling yourself that
>>81403930
>amount of kills means you won the war
Jesus christ
>>81403619
this is true. not many people realize it, but the hippo and the moose are the most dangerous animals on the planet
No. 31 reporting in! Ready for duty burgerbros.
>>81403298
Hey cheer up! You still have the JTF2
>>81403930
Hippies should be lynched.
>muh poor commies
>commies then murder non commie viets, but thats fine somehow.
>>81403878
Do they really want to deal with our flora and fauna?
>>81403904
>As far as I know you have one of the largest and most modern militaries in Europe
Its large by numbers, but it mostly exists on the arms subsidies from the EU (like everything else in Poland).
Honestly polish army is pretty strong though, they mostly are hurt by polands poor infrastructure.
Still nowhere close to germany due to population and technology being way behind.
The stuff thats crumbling in germany is the old stuff no one ever uses, the material intended for deployment is in good shape.
I want to see a US-Russia-China-UK-France super team go squash some roaches in Turkey
>>81403878
USA has already been annexed by mexico & africa.
I think we'll keep the hobits at bay for a while yet.
>>81403168
Russia is a military power what are the odds of that
>>81404038
I think a lot of it comeso from population and industrial potential
>>81404122
>wow guize, just becuz u kill ur enemy doesn't mean you win
>>81404247
>france
>doing anything
Come on mate, that's bigger fiction than Holocaust.
>>81402505
Turkey should drop at least 30 spots down after that fail coup attempt.
>12
Not bad
Bless el sisi
>>81403962
>Slavs aren't white
Are you retarded? They're probably more white than you.
>>81404505
It doesn't though, you can kill however many you want if you don't achieve your military objective and they do, you lost.
>>81402505
HURR DURR SIZE MATTERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jspEovlEK-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54uCKEFwExg
>>81403819
>meme army
>poland
sure, some poltard Marek that gets all his info from pol knows better than the CIA. im sure
This list was always retarded
Real List
1 America
2.Russia
3. China
4. ISRAEL
5. UK
6.France
7 Poo
8. Japan
9. Iran
10 North Korea
11. South Korea
12. Pakistan
13. Italy
14. Roaches (would've been higher a week ago)
15. Poland
16. Egypt
17. Germany
18. Spain
19. Taiwan
20. Vietnam
everyone else might as well not even have a military
>Vietnam
>17th
>>81404660
fuck off denmark
>>81404505
Oh you did win then?
>tfw your PM is such a fucking faggot that he allows bull USA to do all the work while he sits with his legs crossed
>tfw he fucking hates the F-35 and bought F-16s instead
>>81404523
Thought I'd give them a little confidence booster. They probably feel retarded for willingly allowing themselves to be invaded
>>81403730
>That's probably why america never truly won against iraq and vietnam, because they are not "countries". America always a step ahead than everyone else.
>Countless Muslims killed by our hands.
>Middle East forever destabilized, affecting millions more of Muslims.
>Islam forever a hated religion by the Big 3, yet dependent on us, stuck in a limbo.
>All progress of Islamic Nations forever toppled because of their own fanaticism.
Again, tell me why we lost. That's what they get for 9/11
>Oh, we also won the Vietnam War, by kicking their gook asses to submission.
>>81404718
why is greatest ally that high up?
>>81403962
eastern european =/= european
>>81404056
>>81404122
The US left Vietnam when the US, North and South Vietcong left signed the Paris Peace Accords.
After the US left, then North Vietnam Invaded South Vietnam.
When South Vietnam fell, America wasn't participating in the war because it was "over".
>>81403298
its not ur fault, its the fucking cucks bro
>>81404852
Their military is ready to go to war with Iran-Roach-Jordan-Egypt-Saudi Arabia at the same time it is in constant state of readiness and has decades of experience
>>81404746
>>81404718
Is Japan really that strong? I thought we disarmed them after ww2
>>81404852
Wait, Bulgarians have internet?
>>81404989
Iran alone could kick their ass if not for the nukes
>>81402901
this is stupid, there is no reason for two nuclear capable nations to fight an entirely conventional war.
>Pakistan vs. India
>Russia vs United States
furthermore, there is no reason why a nuclear capable country would not use nukes if they were fighting a defensive war where all out retaliation could cripple the invading nation's capability to do war.
>I.E. Ukraine somehow invades russia successfully and comes within 100 miles of moscow
>putin would not having a problem setting off a few nukes in ukraine to force unconditional surrender/withdrawl
same with North Korea invading China. Those slant eye bastards would launch nukes faster than you can say takeout
>>81404907
Bitch pls, stop the sad excuses. You went there and throw massive amount of lives and material into this fight to keep the communists from taking over Vietnam, at the end the communists took over vietnam.
The fact alone that rice farmers with aks forced yout to the negotiation table to begin with is already a defeat.
>>81404038
This has to be only due to manpower. Before the olympic games, our fucking marines were killing zika mosquitoes. FUCKING MOSQUITOES. I WISH I WAS KIDDING.
>>81404718
>CIA
>a random leaf
who to believe? halp!
>>81402505
#1 since 1945
>>81405099
How? Iran can't even get there. Israel can bomb them themselves tho and Iran couldn't do shit
>>81405104
I agree completely. I believe they made it that way so that you and Russia don't soar light years ahead.
Btw Russia's defence minister has said multiple times that they have no qualms of using nukes as a first option if attacked by anyone.
>>81404038
I'm surprised we're so low actually. I mean, fucking Italy is ahead of us. Egypt is ahead of us, but somehow Israel is behind? Israel fucked up egypt in like 15 minutes every single time they fought. yeah this feels like bullshit.
>>81405190
Which number looks the most like a penis?
>>81405078
Their navy is relatively stronk
But seriously guys what are we going to do about this newfound Roach infestation?
>>81405190
you're welcome
>>81405177
Because CIA never lied to anybody.
>>81405078
Carrie... I mean ships that carry helicopters for humanitarian missions :^)
>>81405177
"The military forces are tired," Bartels remarked in an interview with the German newspaper Handelsblatt on Wednesday, a day after he released a report that depicted Germany's military as small, demoralized, and struggling to fulfill missions with malfunctioning equipment. "There are too many things missing."
Michael Moran, a managing director at the Control Risks security consultancy in New York, was unsurprised by Bartels's pronouncement. After the country's defeat in World War II, Germans felt ashamed of their role in the bloodshed and in the genocide of the Holocaust, and adopted a pacifist stance. Germany controversially rearmed during the Cold War, but only with the goal of defending against a Soviet attack. Since the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union, the country has deliberately avoided reviving its once-vaunted military.
"They've never gone down the road to creating a warrior class," Moran said. "It's a very touchy topic."
Still, the parliamentary ombudsman's report contains shocking data about a country whose military preparedness has long caused concern among statesmen.
"For centuries, our main worry in Poland was a very strong German army," former Polish Defense Minsiter Janusz Onyszkiewicz told Foreign Affairs recently. "Today, we're seriously worried about German armed forces that are too weak."
https://news.vice.com/article/german-official-sounds-alarm-over-the-dilapidated-state-of-the-countrys-military?utm_source=vicenewsfb
It;s a glorified peacekeeping force
>>81403962
>>81403937
Lol, no, guys. Do you think that we are so pathetic idiots that we are trying to hitch ourselves to Yuropian culture to assert ourselves on the basis of membership of a successful group? No thanks. We are a self-sufficient nation with thousands of years of great history.
It is not we are interested in to cling ourselves to Yuropean culture and it is Yurope interested in to speak about the Russian culture as a European.
If we are Asians, please delete from the European culture of all our writers, scientist, and composers (hello, Ayn Rand). Remember - this is the Asian culture.
Please note that all the greatest military leaders of European nations (Karl 12, Napoleon, Hitler) were smashed by Asians.
Please remember that the first representative of the human species, who performed the original dream of all mankind, first entered the expanses of original space was Asian, and that is an achievement of Asian culture, and not European.
>>81405298
>Israel fucked up egypt in like 15 minutes every single time they fought.
You need to brush up on history lessons, last time they fought egypt demolished israel until israel begged and threatened their way into more military supplies from the U.S. to drown egypt in material power. On its own israel is a joke army.
>>81403202
Russia got BTFO by goat fuckers and snow people
>We're stronger than Alberto Barbosa and PRETTY MUCH A NON COUNTRY
Kek
>>81404718
Yeah north korea ahead of Pakistan and fkin Egypt ahead of both germany and spain. You're retarded
Also if the difference in power between poos and pakis was this big, we'd have no pakis today. Also, Vietnam is in the list but Brasil isn't. Your list is a meme you cuck
>>81404718
>4. ISRAEL
Is that cause of their nuclear arsenal?
>>81405190
Here are your peers, and a glimpse of your future.
Historical number 1s
>Egypt
>Greece
>Italy
I'm sure you're looking forward to it.
>>81402505
Australia is a Chink colony so sup guys
>>81402732
Literally half the list has nukes you retard
>>81403525
The point is the vast majority of 'VC' were civilians and the rest that weren't were not even armed, also you guys withdrew anyway because you were too pussy to carry on while the VC actually had guts. You lost to a fucking third world country think about that
>>81404035
Lol no
>>81404247
That's a bit pointless in its sheer overpowering
>>81404718
>Israel
>4th
>>81404744
Their population is 90 million and they have a pretty strong culture around maintaining autonomy
>>81405298
>>81405518
literally an endless supply of fighter planes was provided
>>81405401
>POO IN AUSCHWITZ
>>81404630
>>81404764
Every time you Euro fucks bring up Vietnam and think America got booted, I have to re-educate you on the definition of warfare.
You win if you kill the enemy.
No, the Viets did not win a war in which we ravaged their homeland, killed 1 million of their countrymen, occupied their airspace and waters, and sprayed their populations with chemical fertilizer. No, they didn't have some "military objective" like this was a fucking RTS or something and you had to conquer this base or capture this general to win. We basically entered a foreign country, fucked it up for almost 20 years and made it ours, then when we got tired and hippies back home started yelling at us, we left.
There was literally no scenario in which America would have lost the war, militarily, financially, any way. You play too much Command and Conquer and think if you don't capture this base and convert the citizens, you lose. Our mission in Vietnam was an attrition war. We wore down the VC and the NVA to the point that they had '40s radios to communicate with each other from mud tunnels. Then your friend China decided to help the Soviets launder money and equipment to them.
You wanna know how I know we won? Look around in Vietnam today. People on the streets selling lighters that American GIs dropped, in a """communist""" country that supposedly """resisted""" American influence.
>>81404056
>>81403202
>>81403411
>>81403686
>>81404122
The Paris peace accords signed in 1973 stopped pretty much all involvement of the US supporting south vietnam with airstrikes and ground troops (operation linebacker 2 was the last time the US really bombed the shit of the north vietnamese) The war was pretty much over. Nixon also signed an agreement with a south stating any plane that were to be shotdown by the north, A brand new one would come in the next day. Any magazine lost in a firefight, the US would supply a brand new one. This what was keeping the South from being completely destroyed by northern aggression. It wasnt until 1974, when Nixon was impeached, did the North move back into the South. Congress took all the defense budget of south vietnam and put it into programs in the US (Public housing, healthcare, all that liberal hippie shit). President Ford actually had to almost beg congress to Keep the US word on protecting South Vietnam, but since congress was a liberal cesspool, they overturned it. It took less than a year for the south to fall to communism, All because Nixon got impeached and congress didnt keep the US word on protecting it.
Let me simplify.
>Little kid getting bullied by decent sized kid
>big fucking kid protects little kid
>Beats up decent sized kid
>Big kid guards little kid
>Big kid told to come home
>Big kid leaves
>Decent sized kid fucking demolishes little kids ass
>>81405567
Pakistan and Egypt are both shitholes on par with North Korea minus the fanaticism and the ruthless dictatorship and never even won a war ever. Also North Korea has a standing army of a million men.
What the fuck has Brazil ever done militarily in the past 60 years?
>>81405476
You guys are part of Europe and asia(geographivally), though mostly part of Europe if we are talking about important things such as accomploshments, rulers, and culture. Ignore the shitty memes
>>81405779
Is this about military accomplishments? I thought it was about military power. If we go by achievements the list would be very different.
>>81405682
Went to Ho Chi Minh City once. Felt like New York City but with more smog, garbage, and cigarettes. Definitely westernized to a degree
>>81405682
>You win if you kill the enemy.
Don't be retarded, you win if you achieve your military objective or prevent your enemy from doing so, killcount means absolutely nothing short of actually completly annhilating your enemy, which you also failed at because there sure as hell were still enough Vietcong around to conquer the South.
>>81405989
Your military power is shit tier
>>81405682
Well they did keep their land and also create a gommunist government. But yeah, it was pretty much one of the worst pyrrhic victories ever
>>81405099
Iran has state of the art US tech from the 1970's and state of the art Russian tech from the 80's and 90's.
Israel has the same exact tech the USA has which we can all collectively agree upon is unrivaled (inb4 F35 jokes).
Furthermore, israel's land mass is small enough that their missile/air defense would be tighter than Jared the subway guy's asshole when he was sentenced to jail.
>Also, i bet your average israeli is waaaay more motivated than your average iranian rag head
>only way iran could win is if they had an exceedingly large invading force.
>think USSR vs Nazi germany on the eastern front, it could happen but at great loss to Iran
>>81405809
Asian and American part of the British Empire were much more than European part, it doesn't mean that BI was not European.
But I really don't have anything against the Asians, they are cute.
Just a lot of fun to see on 4chan where people allegedly for "white culture", etc. voluntarily give up 140 million absolutely "white people" lowl.
>then
>tfw number one in the Warsaw Pact once
>ten thousand tanks
>Cold War documents show t*rk roaches were shitting themsevles in fear we would invade them
>now
>literally a stadium's worth of soldiers
>scrapped our long range missiles to appease NATO
>cut our tanks into pieces and sold to gypsies
sigh
>>81406114
Why the fuck would we have jets? None of the neighbouring nations are a threat to us. I'm not sure about this, but I think our navy is a lot better than our air force.
>>81406384
Fair points
Side note - modern Russian tech is equal to US in general and better in some areas (ewar, missile defence, etc.) while you are better in other areas
Iran doesn;t have aces to it tho
>>81404221
By that you mean abos?
feels good man
>true Roman
>>81406714
WE WUZ ROMANS N' SHIET
>>81406629
>Side note - modern Russian tech is equal to US in general and better in some areas (ewar, missile defence, etc.) while you are better in other areas
Anything else you would like to pull out of your ass?
While i agree Russia as some great AA, to say its better at Ewar is laughable.
>>81406624
No your navy is shit tier also. The only thing that stands out is the aircraft carrier but that is a French aircraft carrier from the 1950's that they retired in 2000 and sold to you.
What did they mean by this?
125th out of 250 is pretty prestigious
>>81406384
>Also, i bet your average israeli is waaaay more motivated than your average iranian rag head
Israeli soldiers are extremly poorly trained and organized for the most part, they aren't really drilled for a real war, only supression of poorly armed insurgents.
Israels military has only the purpose of stalling for time for U.S. to intervene if anyone of actual military relevance comes knocking, though luckily for them no one like that borders them right now since egypt went to shit.
>>81406798
Don't get triggered. You can't be number 1 at everything. You have different priorities hence the slightly better tech you have in those respective areas.
>a Russian jet literally shut down your ship Donal Cook last year
>>81402505
>Bulgaria
>Top 10 military power
Kek
>>81406798
>Ewar
What the fuck is this? Russia and China also have electronic counter-measures. Russia Surface to air AA is superior to the Patriot system in every single way
>>81406965
>though luckily for them no one like that borders them right now since egypt went to shit.
Yes, good goy
>luckily
not at all by design.
>>81406023
Like I said, you look at this like it's an RTS game. You would be a fool if you thought the US came into Vietnam with a "military objective" like "take over that NVA communist base in Hanoi." There was much more nuance and not just one, but multiple military objectives which we achieved. We bombed and destroyed the supply lines we wanted to. We killed the enemy forces so they presented little more than a guerilla threat. We took back Hue City when they overran it with all their might.
We did not enter the war with the military objective of taking over North Vietnam, which we could've done in less than a week were it not for the USSR and China. This is not Command and Conquer. There were multiple nations involved in this conflict and no clear goal of "lel we gotta stop the communizms"
>Down 1 from last year
How?
>>81407095
Literal Russian propaganda. Nothing of the type happened.
Go back to Sputnik little man.
>>81407220
>>81407220
>Russia Surface to air AA is superior to the Patriot system in every single way
I agree. to bad it still not enough to stop the US from gaining Arial superiority.
>>81407220
>What the fuck is this? Russia and China also have electronic counter-measures.
Also having it is not the same as being better at it. So far the US is the only country to have used (and very effectively at that) It in widespread combat.
>>81407375
Brexit obviously
>>81407512
Russia also used it against the hohols in Crimea. They jammed their entire military communications network on the peninsula and just had all the hohol soldiers surrender without firing a single shot since all their comms were down.
>>81406452
Yeah I hear you. Genetic tests show white Russians being closer to most European populations than finns for example, though I still consider them "white".
Yeah I think your BI point is a good comparison.
Muh ancestors are all western europeans, but some people on here seem to be autistic when it comes to slavs. I think it comes from Hitler worshipers taking everything he said as gospel, including his irrational hate for slavs.
>>81407327
>you look at this like it's an RTS game
No I don't, I look at this like reality that matters beyond your nonsensical shouting.
No one goes to war without wanting to accomplish something, thats how it works.
If you fight someone, you try to get something out of it. The U.S. went into that fight trying to keep the North from conquering the South, and North Vietnam went into this trying to conquer the South.
At the end the North conquered the South, thats winning. Whatever they had to ednure or what it cost them is utterly irrelevant to the fact that they got what they wanted and you got nothing.
>>81407327
>We did not enter the war with the military objective of taking over North Vietnam
That is correct, you didn't, you went into it to keep the North from conquering the South, which you failed at.
You can keep trying to call military objectives a "RTS thing" but that does nothing but reveal how you know absolutely nothing about warfare.
Countries go to war because they want to achieve something, that is the military objective, you will always have one. Its literally just a term for a innate thing of warfare.
You threw bilions of dollar worth in material and tens thousands of lives into this conflict and you got nothing out of it. Absolutely no benefit was achieved for the U.S. or its allies, you left that country with nothing to show for 20 years of war. Thats losing, and no amount of juvenile wankery about how many attricities you commited in the process of fighting this losing war will change that, deal with it.
>>81407782
>That is correct, you didn't, you went into it to keep the North from conquering the South, which you failed at.
No we didn't. The entire time we where there and indeed for 2 years after we left South Vietnam was its own country.
Again see
>The Paris peace accords signed in 1973 stopped pretty much all involvement of the US supporting south vietnam with airstrikes and ground troops (operation linebacker 2 was the last time the US really bombed the shit of the north vietnamese) The war was pretty much over. Nixon also signed an agreement with a south stating any plane that were to be shotdown by the north, A brand new one would come in the next day. Any magazine lost in a firefight, the US would supply a brand new one. This what was keeping the South from being completely destroyed by northern aggression. It wasnt until 1974, when Nixon was impeached, did the North move back into the South. Congress took all the defense budget of south vietnam and put it into programs in the US (Public housing, healthcare, all that liberal hippie shit). President Ford actually had to almost beg congress to Keep the US word on protecting South Vietnam, but since congress was a liberal cesspool, they overturned it. It took less than a year for the south to fall to communism, All because Nixon got impeached and congress didnt keep the US word on protecting it.
>>81403837
I'd say Russia. I feel like they probably have better organization and strategic advantages. Russia has been involved in more conflicts than China over the past few decades and would likely run into fewer issues getting their military ready for a large war. Not to mention China gets a lot of their equipment from Russia or knockoffs that function in a similar manner.
It would certainly be an interesting match up and largely dependent on how long the war last as China has so many more people they could afford to lose.
>>81408047
>The entire time we where there and indeed for 2 years after we left South Vietnam was its own country.
So you fled from the enemy, I fail to see how thats winning.
>>81407782
>Muh objectives
How you can win a war in a shithole if the first world countries are not letting you?
>>81408145
>Paris peace accords
Fucking retards I swear.
>>81406629
yeah kinda, One of our biggest strengths is our ability to project air power via aircraft carriers and quick response troops via Fleet Marine Force, but one of the US's biggest weakness's is Naval vulnerability
>primarily to mines and secondarily zerg rush enemy combatants (including anti ship missles)
if you're interested in modern warfare, look up Millennium Challenge 2002. It was a huge War Game designed to test the readiness of a major engagement with Iran in iranian waters. (likely scenario actually since minor engagements have happened before)
>Red, (iran), adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's (USA) sophisticated electronic surveillance network.
>Red used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.
>Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours.
>Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red could prepare.
>In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors
>destroyed sixteen warships (one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships)
>in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel.
>After the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them.
Basically it was proved that Iran could destroy the entire US armada in mere hours with fairly realistic tactics and circumstances. The wargame was reset the day after and scripted to ensure a Blue victory.
>>81407512
>I agree. to bad it still not enough to stop the US from gaining Arial superiority.
Are you 12? Why are you mentioning this or moving the goal post? We are talking about better tech not imaginary scenarios.
What the fuck man.
1. Russia has superior AA. Best in the world by a large margin. There is nothing coming close to the S-500.
2. Hypersonic anti-ship missiles which you don't even have.
3. Ewar (shut down the entire hohol land last year)
4. Submarine torpedoes (literally 4 times faster than yours)
I could go on
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18331/russias-military-tech/
BUT YOU ARE BETTER IN OTHER AREAS AND THAT IS NORMAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS AND STRATEGY, like stealth tech, for example.
Don;t be a fucking 12 year old.
Love how all the British banter is silent now that the Frogs are ahead of them lol
>>81407648
Slavs are literally the whitest people with blond hair and blue eyes. Hitler hated slavs for other reasons, not the whiteness.
I'm not really sure we're that good, thou our special forces are trained pretty well.
>>81408404
We share military resources still I'm pretty sure though. And I think we still don't have an aircraft carrier.
>>81408300
In which you basically surrendered to the North Vietnam, because you left them to do what they came to do to begin with and got absolutely nothing for yourself.
Again I ask, how did you win? Clearly it wasn't by preventing the North from achieving what they came to do, because they did exactly that.
What did the U.S. in your opinion try to do in Vietnam that they "won" this war?
You're seriously trying to argue they got ten-thousands of their own people killed to fuck up a irrelevant asian shithole no one cared about?
>>81408216
>people go to war for the heck of it
>>81403837
>>81408066
China is actually Russia's biggest enemy.
They don;t even have a well demarcated border due to tensions.
Rumor is Russians used lasers to burn an invading Chinese army in the 70s altho it was probably tactical nukes. My parents remember talking about it back then.
>>81402505
gay
>>81407648
Finns look like Europeans today. Just usually when it comes to European nations is also important roots of these nations. The Slavs are a subsection of Indo-European culture and "came out of one pot" (as we say) with the Germans (tribes), Celts, etc.
And the Finns - from the Finno-Ugric tribes.
But it was a long time ago and before the formation of specific ethnic groups, so that we can say that the Finns and Estonians ordinary Europeans, I think.
In any case, I think that no genes is important, but belonging to the culture, the people.
>>81402505
>turkey
Kek
>>81408324
Interesting! I'll look it up.
>>81408583
No they settled all their border disputes with Russia basically handing over all the disputed clay in the early 2000's. They also have high level military cooperation and intelligence sharing and are part of a number of security agreements. They also hold exercises with each other every year.
Fuck
>>81408327
>Are you 12? Why are you mentioning this or moving the goal post? We are talking about better tech not imaginary scenarios.
No one moved the goal post Ivan.
>3. Ewar (shut down the entire hohol land last year)
Give me a source on this. I am so over this Russia Stonk Dick stroking all these former USSR peasants do.
Russia does not have better Electronic Warfare capability. Period.
>>81408599
>>81408855
So you agree that they are better on some areas and you in others? Great! That was my point initially.
>>81408855
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/10/sophisticated-electronic-warfare-giving-russia-edge/
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/
>>81402505
>at the start of the year australia was ranked 13, canada 14.
>now Australia is at 23 with Canada higher than them
Seriously WTF happened?
>>81408855
> I am so over this Russia Stonk Dick stroking all these former USSR peasants do.
No nigga I am being objective. Not blinded by US propaganda doesn;t make me magically a slave to Russian one.
>>81402505
Feels good man.
>>81409167
Based anon saved me time
>>81408579
Let me put it clear
>PARIS PEACE ACCORD
>USA can't fight in vietnam without all the world and commies going apeshit
>Thus the war stop
If the usa had the freeway they could continee the war and eventually "won" capturing "muh objectives" even if they already had took a lot of them
>>81408583
Not really, Russia fights Ukrainians supplied by Americans and terrorists supplied WEAPONS by Americans. Americans are the ones always on Russia's borders, keeping the air force on its toes as they keep ours on their toes. Not that Putin trusts the Chinese but they are hardly enemy number one for the Kremlin
>>81409168
I'd be more concerned why you are in Asia desu
>>81404056
>>81403930
>>81404205
Notice how it's always brits that try to perpetuate this meme?
>Oi, I've been brainwashed from childhood that Americans Lost to vietnamese farmers, ergo war is impossible
>Oi, look how smart I iz, and dumm burgers try to argue, which means they iz dumb becuz I is smart!
>>81405190
>>81409317
The U.S. never even ratified the peace accords and absolutley no one forced them to enter the negotiations on it, they did it willingly.
They had the absolute freedom to do whatever the fuck they want for however long they could keep it up, absolutley no one would have done anything about it.
>mfw poos in the loo are stronger than the UK
>>81409476
Super power by 2016? o.O
>>81404718
Israel 4
> gtfo snownigger
You obviously Google searched "strongest military" and went with the one that fitted your opinion. This list is so wrong.
>>81408327
>1. Russia has superior AA. Best in the world by a large margin. There is nothing coming close to the S-500.
maybe but any well planned US operation would insert good use of ewar like we did in Vietnam, except now, we are great at doing it. Just look up the battle stats of US led NATO intervention in bosnia serbia war. we ran combat sorties nonstop and hardly lost any planes and they were using state of the art russian AA weapons at the time
>2. Hypersonic anti-ship missiles which you don't even have.
Guess you arent familiar with how the tomahawk cruise missile works. It's suppose to fly low and slow with ability to make multiple flight path changes to avoid detections.
once something goes supersonic, anybody's missile defense system lights up like a Christmas tree giving time to shoot it down unlike our way of zero/minimal detection (see how effective our cruise missiles were during the evasion of iraq, poor repub guard didn't know what even hit them
>4. Submarine torpedoes (literally 4 times faster than yours)
again, faster isn't necessarily better. I'm not a big bubblehead so i can't speculate much on this
>>81409367
>third world country think about why you are in Asia
It's cause the list is made by americans, they don't have the education to realise oceania is a thing.
>>81405298
Your country is poor, what do you want, a real army? HAAHHAHAHA
>>81409701
>>81409367
wtf happened to my quote?
Oh well, the green text was meant to say
>I'd be more concerned why you are in Asia desu
>>81409259
The fact that you brought up that blatant propaganda piece about some supposed black out on the Donald Cook says that you ARE a slave to Russian propaganda.
You are not nearly as objective as you think you are.
>hohol
>>81403168
So strong that they can't even take east of shitty Ukraine, stop shilling.
>>81409665
NOT AN ARGUMENT
It's tech you don't have, deal with it and stop being a butthutt 12 year old.
>>81409440
>>81409440
>no one forced them to enter the negotiations on it, they did it willingly.
You just proved his point. The North however was forced to the table by the strategic bombing of it.
>>81403619
Didn't you guys get confused with british special ops in WW1 by the germans for doing some kind of insane artillery bullshit?
>>81409665
Also nigga, you can;t shoot a hypersonic missile not with current tech hence why they did it. Stop being ignorant. It is superior tech.
>muuh 50 year old tomahawk slow crap
NO NEED TO BE BUTTHURT OVER IT, YOU ARE SUPERIOR IN OTHER AREAS ffs.
>>81409876
which of that was not an argument? with the exception of the submarine torpedo thing, all my points were backed up with significant real world evidence.
>>81402505
Rhodesian Light Infantry checking in.
>>81410023
Canadians were considered 'Stormtroopers' by the Germans and resisted poison gas with piss-soaked cloth on their faces
Yahoo
>>81410123
No one is talking or cares about how you would use your forces in a potential conflict. The point was that their AA is superior ANYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT TO THE ARGUMENT.
If you can;t into logical thinking please don't apply anymore.
>>81409982
>The North however was forced to the table by the strategic bombing of it.
You seriously try to argue they were "forced" to the table? Forced for what? To get exactly what they wanted?
The Paris Peace Accords made North Vietnam do nothing they didn't want to do and directly led to their victory.
It was the U.S. that was forced to the negotiation table and had to accept the Norths demands. The Vietcong and North Vietnam wanted the U.S. to fuck off, and they did.
>>81409853
Indeed. Noble Ukrainian knighsts killed half of our army and made the rest piss themselves at night just thinking about glorious cossacks and their sabres.
Oh wait, that didn't happen. The only time we were involved directly they got their asses encircled, had huge losses for such a small conflict and signed the armistice.
>>81410123
Forget it, you are arguing with a slav... i.e. you are arguing with a monkey that at best can make throat sounds that approximate language and doesn't have anything to do with logic or facts.
>>81410365
>The Paris Peace Accords made North Vietnam do nothing they didn't want to do and directly led to their victory.
>It was the U.S. that was forced to the negotiation table and had to accept the Norths demands. The Vietcong and North Vietnam wanted the U.S. to fuck off, and they did.
Literal and actual revisionist history right here.
>>81410123
Oh and Serbia didn;t have state of the art anything back then. You are grossly misinformed.
Not that it matters, not an argument either.
>>81403819
Poland, you are my true greatest ally.
>>81403937
XAXAXAXAXAXA
Well, go on then. Tell me how Asian you aren't Ahmed.
>>81406965
Glad your wife's boyfriend let's you use his computer Herbert!
>>81410466
>Literal and actual revisionist history right here.
Oh sorry, I was under the impression the U.S. had spend nearly twenty years trying to stop North Vietnam from conquering the South and in the end the U.S. left Vietnam and the North conquered South Vietnam, I must have been mistaken.
Except you know, thats exactly what happened.
we wuz like stronk armies and shieeeet but gotta open dem borders for millions of economic migrants and illegal immigrants.
WASTE OF $$$ if you are not allowed to defend your country.
>>81410438
>that moment when you lose and argument and have nothing to resort to except insults
Thanks for playing, gg no re
>>81410660
>Germany
>Talking about modern war defeats
>>81410758
You can feel free to keep making new IDs to shitpost at me, but germany hasn't actually really been involved in any modern wars so I don't what you're even trying to say here.
>>81402505
Finland behind Sweden and Norway... This list is bullshit
>>81410660
>U.S. had spend nearly twenty years trying to stop North Vietnam from conquering the South
This shows how deluded you are. 1961 to 1972 is not even close to 20 years. If you cant even get a simple timeline right why would i think you can possibly grasp the actual specifics of the way it played out.
>>81409853
There's literally no proof that the Russian government did anything to precipitate the War in Donbass and was the prime mover in peace deals which Kiev has signed but refuses to implement.
>>81410715
>that moment when I see "hurr durr, I be slavshit and Amerikkka iz shit becuz they suck and viet kong kill u!"
>and I tell another anon not to bother arguing because he's dealing with a brainwashed retarded faggot
>>81407782
Literally got all your knowledge from Rome Total War or some other game. Probably spent a little time on Wikipedia reading about your country getting raped in Operation Uranus and thinking you're some big shot military strategist. Lol
Listen here, you autistic one-track-mind fuck, wars happen for many reasons, take a break from call of duty and wake up to the fact that war is not make an objective, somebody loses, somebody wins. War is not a goddamn sports game where the objective is clear-cut. We didn't go into Vietnam to stop South Vietnam from being taken over, how laughably retarded you must've been in history class. You probably thought the Nazis invaded Russia because there were jews there.
Just to show you how retarded your logic is, let's think like you do for a second.
>US went into war to stop South Vietnam from being taken over
>while US was there South Vietnam was not taken over
>US left and South Vietnam gets taken over
>US loss
Nevermind the fact there was a plethora of reasons for why we intervened in Vietnam except for kinder-garten level "lulz to help protect south vietnam." Never mind that militarily we achieved every objective we wanted. Never mind that only political objectives like win the hearts and minds of an entire fucking nation was not met. How in the world do you see this as a loss? Do you realize the amount of money we lost in Vietnam we made up literally ten years later? Do you think there was some kind of economic repercussion to our intervention there?
Literally the only thing that guides you in any way in this conversation is your infantile emotion. Just let it out. You were probably very young and read about Vietnam in your German classes, thought to yourself "how can a mighty empire like the US fall to a bunch of rice peasants" and stuck with that ideology all your life, and now here you are, shitposting your drivel on a Buddhist watersports forum.
>>81408324
Bait, or are you stupid enough to believe that bullshit?
If the latter, go to /k/ and learn something.
>>81403127
Yes
>>81411055
>Never mind that militarily we achieved every objective we wanted.
And those supposed objectives were?
You are kinda missing that critical little piece of information from your very emotional rant there.
>>81411037
Oh God...Now you can be so retarded. NO PROOFS!
>>81403930
when are you yanks gonna realise you aint ever gonna win a war that we ain't involved in ;)
>>81410042
tomahawks aren't designed to intercept shit, they're designed to destroy shit.
for ship defense we have the Phalanx CIWS as a last resort, pretty effective and Sea RAM for additional missile defense. During Operation Praying Mantis when the US sought retaliation for iran damn near sinking one of our frigates, we decided to fuck their shit up which resulted in an exchange of anti-ship missiles.
you can guess that our electronic warfare ability was sophisticated to defeat most incoming and the remainder shot down.
pls look up this incidence cause iran fired a fuckload of anti ship missiles and the US was able to assert itself competent against such a threat.
>>81410259
>rip piece of shirt off
>piss on it
>stick piss cloth in mouth
>now the most elite soldier in the entente army
We really should have found better allies
I'm totally ok with this.
>>81411415
Yeah, we lost the Mexican-American War pretty badly. Wish you would've helped us out there.
>>81411046
Wut? When did I say anything about the vietkong?
Anon you ok?
>>81411425
Si why bring them up when they are not relevant? Russia has its own tomahawk variant, you don;t have hypersonic ship killers. That's all that maters.
Anything else is fluff and not relevant.
Are you familiar with the NOT AN ARGUMENT concept?
>>81402505
Japan is a military superpower
Jesus christ,how long have I been sleeping , isn't Japan supposed to be pacifist ?
>>81411055
>>81411289
No actually nevermind, you're probably going to rant about successes during the campauign because you don't understand what a military objective is.
Lets rephrase this, what would you like to pretend was the reason the U.S. intervened in the Vietnam war which was actually accomplished by the end of it?
You keep saying it wasn't preventing the North from conquering the South (nevermind that that is what the U.S. goverment and military themselves state as reason to this day, but hey maybe they are lying), then what was it?
>>81408324
I know what you're saying anon but it was US personnel theorizing what the enemy would do, which isn't a guarantee that the enemies even that smart
Most countries lack Military Academies and War Colleges like we have at West Point, Annapolis and a few in Virginia
Iran also has rampant corruption, just because one's appointed general doesn't mean it was done so by merit and skill, more so patronage, even without prior military experience
I'm not saying the US isn't corrupt but our generals usually know what they're doing, look at the likes of Norman Schwartzkopf and recently retired Army Chief of Staff Odierno. They're exceptionally smart people of different breeds. Odierno has a degree in nuclear engineering while Qud commander whatshisname has 0 academic hours. Their general of the army dropped out freshmen year pursuing a construction degree to join the islamic revolution. Their command system is basically old guys who deposed a king
>>81410042
>can't shoot a hypersonic missle
Interception isn't hard. No different than leading a bird.
>>81402505
YOU CAN ONLY REPLY TO THIS POST IF YOUR COUNTRY IS NUMBER 1, AND 2 IN AIR FORCE
>>81402505
Who would win, Russia or China? I think China would win through sheer manpower alone.
>>81411746
Their economies just too huge , they're pacifist but they have the potential for much more
>>81410475
>Oh and Serbia didn;t have state of the art anything back then
nigga, a few years before it was yugoslavia which was one of the soviet union's strongest players in the iron curtain game
>>81410307
present day russia's anti air may be better than present day USA's anti air...
but our ability to conduct electronic warfare is miles ahead of anybody elses, That is why i cited NATO intervention in serbia/bosnia, we hardly lost any planes because we always sent our planes up with the ability to defeat SAMs, primarily through electronic warfare.
>>81404056
Vietnamese slave children make my nikes, id say capitalism won.
>>81412063
Yes and that doesn;t change the fact they didn;t have latest tech, so please enough with the conjecture.
>>81412063
>may be better
It will kill you to admit it eh? Be a fucking man, say it.
Also this >>81409167
Shat does it feel like not being #1? What does it feel like not having the greatest and most technologically advanced military in human history? I literally do not know this feel
>>81403962
Learn some history you fucking retard.
>>81403878
First of all, you're an idiot, 2nd, how will the do it, by air or by sea, because their navies are not capable of landing a force and supplies to sustain a offensive, and their air forces cannot transport and sustain a task force, even if they did a combined air and naval operations they have neither the equipment of vehicles of sustaining a attack force against the Australian main land. How do I know this? first hand experience of reviewing Indonesian forces and second hand knowledge of Malaysian forces.
>>81412063
>yugoslavia which was one of the soviet union's strongest players in the iron curtain game
Nigga please. They literally founded non-alignment movement.
>>81408324
>if you're interested in modern warfare, look up Millennium Challenge 2002. It was a huge War Game designed to test the readiness of a major engagement with Iran in iranian waters. (likely scenario actually since minor engagements have happened before)
>>Red, (iran), adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's (USA) sophisticated electronic surveillance network.
>>Red used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.
>>Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours.
>>Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red could prepare.
>>In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors
>>destroyed sixteen warships (one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships)
>>in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel.
>>After the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them.
>Basically it was proved that Iran could destroy the entire US armada in mere hours with fairly realistic tactics and circumstances. The wargame was reset the day after and scripted to ensure a Blue victory.
One of our Gotland class subs literally fucked the american naval fleet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khaa3y0i87s
Americans have the man power and weaponry but they are so retarded at strategy and loses to Vietnamese farmers who digs holes in the ground and Afghan sheep herders who hides behind rocks. They are using our Carl Gustav against the Taliban now too to prevent more needlessly dead americucks against sais sheep herders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2DQnU1lhE
Why the fuck are the Kiwis so low? Are they really that ANZAC dependent?
>>81411205
>go to /k/ and learn something
lol, /k/ is a bunch of retards that couldn't cut the muster to even join the army.
and it's okay to admit that the usa COULD be defeated theoretically using fairly realistic tactics and circumstances.
Honestly, everybody knows that the US has a nasty habit of vocalizing our presence wherever we go because it earns politicans brownie points or something.
secondarily, those types of tactics DO work in the real world. I guess you haven't heard of the USS Cole either. hmmm?
>>81402505
India above the United Kingdom, above France... who the fuck works these lists out? I'm surprised they don't put North Korea at no. 1 because there entire population are reservists.
>Australia talking about military history
You don't even have a history
>>81402505
The UK is about to get rid of its nuclear deterrent so feel free to drop the nuke at any point guys
>>81411289
>Beginning in 1965, Westmoreland sent large numbers of soldiers on “search and destroy” operations using helicopters and high-tech weapons to find and kill Viet Cong forces. Westmoreland’s strategy in Vietnam depended on the superiority of U.S. firepower, including intensive aerial bombardments of regular enemy units. The goal was not to seize and hold territory, but to inflict more losses than the Communist forces could sustain.
>With antiwar sentiment growing on the home front, the Johnson administration lost confidence in Westmoreland’s strategy of attrition and its chances for victory in Vietnam. The beleaguered president turned down Westmoreland’s request for some 200,000 more troops and recalled him to Washington to serve as the U.S. Army’s chief of staff. General Creighton W. Adams, Westmoreland’s deputy commander, replaced him as head of the MACV
Westmoreland's entire military objective focused on destroying the VC and NVA through bombardment and attrition. He achieved this on multiple fronts, just look up literally any battle from the period.
That was his military objectives. They were met. The military goal changed to a political one after he was replaced. I don't know how much more clearer I can make this.
http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/william-westmoreland
We wuz soljers and shieet
>>81412623
Both Australian and New Zealand have "defense" forces, ie capable numbers and equipment to sustain a home land defense against any non allied threat in the local region. New Zealand has a very small land mass in a very remote location which gives the defending forces a force multiplier much greater then say a European nation would.
>>81412714
* their
>>81402505
>Italy
>Turkey
>Poos (Sure, there are a lot but to be in the fourth place? Have they even made nukes yet?)
Times sure have changed since WWII.
>>81402710
that's a cuck argument.
Post 1 on 1 matchups you want to see
Come at me bro
>>81413194
>Have they even made nukes yet?
Mexican intellectual community at work people
>>81412848
btw the one week that the US removed its own self imposed restriction on bombing the north supply and staging areas of the NVA, attacks and force numbers dropped by 95% approx against US and allied areas, just remember the US never lost that war to the VC or NVA, they lost it to themselves.
>>81411650
>why bring them up when they are not relevant?
I was making a point that hyper-sonic isn't necessarily better and in the case against US ships. it wouldn't kill shit unless a zerg rush of them were launched overwhelming our highly sophisticated missile defenses.
as for ship killers, the US is developing rail guns to become operational by 2018-2020. It will be able to shoot a small object up to mach 8-9 (Faster than nearly all missles) at ranges of 130 miles. Also due to it's insane speed, it's being theorized that it could be used to shoot down missiles because no known missile in the world can evade a small object traveling at mach 8-9.
>>81412941
Also everything costs an absolute fuck tonne for us to buy. The new f99s are the cheapest things we can get because they're manufactured in Lithgow.
>>81412903
POO
>>81413386
F90s*
>>81413194
They have made them, yes. An exchange between them and Pakistan is one of the more likely scenarios.
>>81411762
Does it even fucking matter what a military objective is? You're just going to move the goalpost and re-define it over and over again until it fits your standard, kudos for picking a completely amorphous and generic term as the entire basis of your argument though.
I don't even know how to explain to you how the war started, it honestly requires a bit of research on your part which may be a little to difficult, so I'll just suggest read up on the Korean war, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, French Indochina and US foreign policy from Eisenhower until Carter. Read up a bit more so you can at least look a little educated in a discussion with adults.
>>81413194
India does have nukes, I think you're jealous of India
>>81403127
Wow... You really don't know Russia is an Asian country?
>>81405664
Well at least we didn't lose to a bunch of animals
>>81411771
>but our generals usually know what they're doing
guess you slept through the invasion of iraq, god that was a clusterfuck.
I also agree that iran probably doesn't have the level of military strategists minds that we do have but there has been isolated incidents where the US ate their own words. Jesus, just look at how long it took us to develop a defense against IEDs.
>>81413321
and again, doesn't matter what alternatives you have or how they would be used. It's a high tech weapon you don't have
if you mention stealth I wouldn't go about how the Serbs brought down one or how Russia has had 20 years to develop stealth radar or how they would counter it with other tactics ina cinflict
all of that is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that stealth is a high tech they do not have
Russian military is superior in many fields, that was the argument and I believe I proved my point
>>81411326
Not an argument.
What happens in this 1-16 seeded War tournament? Standard bracket
1. USA
16. Israel (kek)
2. Russia
15. Brazil
3. China
14. Indonesia
4. India
13. Pakistan (ayyyyy lmao)
5. France
12. Egypt
6. UK
11. South Korea
7. Japan
10. Italy
8. Turkey
9. Germany
>>81403168
Except everyone knows that, dipshit
>>81413718
But we just sold egypt some of our own planes :(
>>81413612
I agree the Marines fucked up numerous times, botching Fallujah and local agreements and stuff
I also think I remember reading that a private South African company developed those RG-33 mine resistant trucks we now use
>>81413718
The USA would roll, if no Jewish tricks are involved Israel would be done in a day or two while everyone else is still fighting. Even Brazil could put up a fight against Russia. Everyone else would be worn to rags. Especially Turkey and Germany since they are so evenly matched, the winner would get stomped by US again.
>>81409476
It's what happens when your government cuts everything, your people see money being spent on military as money not being spent on social security infrastructure, and most of your new military joins are from people who failed in school
French Foreign Legion sounds interesting. Anyone know anything about it? Do any other countries have a foreign legion?
