>>81279564
well he knew jews did 9/11 so i'd say yes
>>81279564
true
http://www.timesofisrael.com/are-tolkiens-dwarves-an-allegory-for-the-jews/
kind of
he took Wagner's Ring Cycle and took all the antisemitism and anti-capitalism out of it and gave everyone BEADY eyes
it's still great as semi-folklore and for evoking better days
>>81279564
Somewhat
>Orcs = Turks
>Southrons = Arabs
>Variags = Mongols
>Dwarves = Jews
Tolkien WAS the redpill.
The last significant writer in history in my eyes.
>1970s fantasy art will never be a thing again
Ugh... I wish. :(
>>81279564
Beautiful artwork.
Where's it from?
>>81279890
How much of his writing was shaped by his WW1 experiences?
Do we need WW1 style terror to produce artistic greats again?
>>81280088
http://www.slashfilm.com/cool-stuff-matt-ferguson-lord-of-the-rings/
>forces of good are so disorganized and ineffective they send their one chance for victory across a high mountain pass in January
>with representatives of all the races that might want to steal it
>everything goes cockup, Frodo almost loses the ring twice
>forced to travel with the only possible worse companion
>gives in to the ring, the world's only saved because Gollum's a worse failure than he is
Pretty good view of the state of the Right today.
>>81279843
Then who are Sauron and Morgoth equivalent to?
Also, Hobbits=Anglo
Gondor=Constantinople
Rohan=Germans
Orcs=Turks
Dwarves=Jews
Haradrim=Arabs
Easterlings=Chinks
Elves=Celt
>>81280194
Thanks Japan.
>>81280375
Soros and Moloch
>>81280375
Hey.
Autist.
Stop obsessing over trying to make everything fit some mental model. It works for your anime games and shit, but Tolkein repeatedly stated how there were no parallels between Middle Earth and our world. It wasn't a silly sunday school parable.
>inb4 more morons who need things to have a direct analogy connection, parable style, and moral in the ending
>>81280730
>>81279843
>>81280375
Both wrong, orcs are meant to be chinks, Tolkien says so himself:
>...they are (or were) squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes; in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.
>>81280930
Yes, that's how he described their physical appearance in comparison to the Men of Middle Earth, but their behavior, culture, and place in the world has nothing to do with our chinks.
If you need everything to be a 1:1 parable, go back to sunday school stories.
He was red pilled and an amazing writer but it's worth pointing out he made it very public that he absolutely hated allegory and nothing he wrote was meant to be an allegory for anything irl
>>81280930
The least lovely Mongol types are Turks m8. The Variags of Khând are very obviously Mongols
>>81280885
Bürger speaks truth
but it will fall on deaf ears
>>81280113
Look at the 20's "lost generation" writers, and then look at Tao Lin
You need to go through something to make something, otherwise it's faux
>>81281104
Autists will ignore this.
>>81279564
>Was Tolkien redpilled
the fucker is a legend of course he was redpilled
>>81280885
This. You aren't tapping into some hidden undescovered meaning. He was confronted with accusations of allegory his entire life and he made it very clear nothing was allegory and that he resents the suggestion.
Show some respect for the man
>>81280885
>being this triggered by a post on a Somali ecstasy collecting board
Orcs act pretty similar to Muslims today tbqh
>>81281104
Aside from things like courage and friendship and how you need to keep trying because sometimes even after everything fails good things happen.
>>81281306
>someone calls you an Autist
>OMG YOU ARE THIS TRIGGERED OVER A SOMALIAN BASKETWEAVING FORUM POST
kill yourself, autist
>>81280375
>>81280113
>>81279843
orcs were clearly inspired by russians
>hordes of uncivilized mongrels with sloppy lowtech weapons
>>81281338
That's not what allegory means my dude
>>81280257
It's fucking depressing I know.
If we could go back to the 1940s and show them what the future would hold it would change so damn much.
>>81280885
Savage and based.
>>81281306
>post retarded shit
>get called retarded
>U MAD HEH
go back to something awful / intl, you goon posting shut stain
>>81281367
This
>>81281306
BACK TO /intl/ YOU SPERG FUCK
No one can stand you in real life but that doesn't mean you have to be annoying here
>>81281116
>slant eyes
>sallow skin
>>81279564
>all that race mixing
Hell no
Seriously though, you retards try and attach meaning to everything. Maybe he just wanted to make orcs be orcs and not some fucking interpretation of the future after he was dead because it fits in to your bullshit political view?
Fuck you fucking SJW assholes pushing politics into EVERYTHING
>>81281306
I spent five seconds typing a reply to your stupid shit and you're going full on goon-posting already. Sorry, you played your card too soon. Maybe try "why do women love black cock" trolling instead, to build your confidence back up?
Not that it really ever existed
No, he thought we are dirty elves
>>81281821
It isn't even SJWs this time it's just autists trying to apply filters and structures to things to try to salvage some feeling of comfort and security in the face of things they can't categorize
In this case though it's more virulent because we have discovered a wild goonposter in the grass
>>81281133
I kind of like reading Tao Lin to laugh at but contrasting it against that stuff is pretty telling/sad, yeah.
>>81281713
Lol this
>>81281851
He legit needs to order a helium tank exit kit... Imagine how much the five people he interacts with in his real life wish he never woke up one day
:^)
>>81282122
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>>81281118
I would seriously just quit using the internet for a few days at this point. Maybe have some long skype calls with my internet friends, talk about anime girls, and stuff. Eat some more icecream, get fatter. You know, comfort stuff before I finally accept that I'm worthless and not even anonymous people on a chinese research chemical store yelp review page can tolerate my toxic, socially malfunctioning shit.
:)
Sorry for making this thread.
here's my own theory, which damaged my brain irrevocably during my childhood reading of the trilogy
first of all lotr is apocalyptic and it defines some events in the past and after the middle of the second books it starts a prophecy
a). Gandalf is UK
b). He defeats a flaming monster of Nazi Germany, woken up by the jews
c). Dies in process
d). Revives even stronger and defeats the dark Forces of Soviets, but by the nads of lesser people now
i feel like the FBI is going to come seize my computer for watching this goon get raped that hard
He didn't have any simbology in mind. The story is what you actually read.
>>81282375
i think everyone else already established that anyone who found an allegory or parable in Tolkein has a defective pattern recognization system in their brain
if you want a political allegory, why not read Animal Farm?
are these the same faggots who read Heinlein novels and think they're reading some sort of insightful political treatise and come offer up their INNOVATE & TOTES REVOLUTIONARY philosophies based on a science fiction novelist who devolved into just writing incest porn?
>>81280375
>Jews/Turks/Orcs
>Dwarfs/Scots
pick one
>>81280885
you're an idiot. any and all stories can and will and can not not model the world.
because all stories are based on rearrangements of phenomenon in the world
if he liked fucking black chicks maybe the orcs would have been the good guys, and we would know this
what you don't know is that if the shoe fits, wear it, you think that if its not your shoe and it fits, then your foot is wrong or it's actually a sham shoe
>>81282729
Autists hate this.
>I have to determine my own framework to put everything in, instead of using a prebuilt one?
>REEEEEE
also the goon posting parable moron kid is currently sperging out in IRC, apparently we are all paid shills
It's fucking hilarious
>>81282956
What channel senpai
didn't Tolkien btfo nazis
>>81282870
I'm sorry but this is not an Autist friendly thread. Please try /r9k/
>>81282765
actually, if you don't find allegories and parables in tolkien, YOU are the one that is brain damaged, you regressive liberal faggot.
a FUNCTIONAL pattern recognition system can, and will, find patterns in anything and everything and if it's a good one it'll find multiple patterns.
learn to operate your fucking human vessel you retarded noob
>>81282870
shit here comes /r9k/
>>81279564
Both CS Lewish and Tolkien were redpilled.
>>81283029
sorry for violating your safe space, i'll stop cis-abling you about your homosexual down syndromes
>>81279564
what u call redpill today, u called common sense back in the day
>>81283080
you're the liberal faggot if you apply Russian formalism to Tolkien
writer's input IS important and no cuck in a cardigan will convince me otherwise
>>81283090
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>>81281965
if you try really hard to improve yourself every day some day you'll realize that if the shoe fits you should wear it. and you'll apologize to the people that already knew such simple things.
>>81282870
>>81283080
See, this is a legitimate example of someone being buttblasted.
>autists: get destroyed, call the person destroying them buttblasted
>autists also post mini-novel size rants, in this case they actually are buttblasted
You're literally disagreeing with the fucking author who said it wasn't an allegory. Go find some patterns in the cars that circle your block with your neuro-similar buddies on
>>/r9k/
Also, calling someone a regressive liberal WHEN YOU HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN SEARCHING THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FATHER ABANDONED, MOTHER SMOTHERS YOU PSYCHE FOR MEAN WORDS TO USE means about as much as a BLM chimp calling us racist crackers. Please kill yourself or stay in your autist/spergie containment zones.
>>81283344
hey now don't go and find patterns in what i said finding patterns in what i said would be a symptom of autism
>>81279564
Back in the day, the krauts were considered Huns.
>they still are... really
>>81283188
did you know you can get a helium tank exit kit for under $40?
how badly do you have to fail at every aspect of your life when even people on a mongolian cat barbecue tip hotline think you're mentally deficient and socially toxic?
>>81279564
he was coming to terms with his homo sex, notice all the phallic shaped objects
>>81283453
you're an autistic memer probably underage at that
>>81283346
I have never seen someone on /pol/ who was this socially damaged, and I've been here since Jaffa called the trial
>>81282870
Haha nice try but this isn't an AUTIST SUPPORT GROUP
>>81282765
dont know, for me its just fun and some kind of childish thought experiment
>>81283401
your idea of evidence is having been told something, my idea of evidence is having known something.
you're not trying to find patterns that you used you imagination for to make up some autistic fan fic about how my father abandoned me and thats why i disagree with you are i because that would you be doing the pattern recognition thing with my words oh wait you didn't use your imagination you just repeated some shit that you heard before and you thought you should call me that and if i ask for evidence you'll tell me that you heard it before
oh no i'm doing the pattern recognition thing to you, but i don't have any evidence, shit, i just thought it in my head and then told you.
>>81283188
No one likes you. None of the five people you see regularly in life can stand you for more than the few awkward moments it takes for you to fumble your wallet and move through the checkout line.
Helium. Exit. Tank. :)
YOU CANNOT BE REDPILLED IF YOU ARE RACIST
>>81283749
[Aspergers externally]
>>81279564
>redpilled
Can anyone define this?
>>81283749
Hahaha what the fuck he's completely incoherent now
>>81283588
i'm 26 and not autistic so good guessing psyk it's actually not good guessing
come over to my house and i'll tell the lady in the other room to fuck you and she'll actually do it
>>81283612
so you're saying that if the shoe fits, don't wear it. well that's just like your opinion man, you're seriously intolerant of people that think that shoes that fit should be worn, we're not forcing you to wear shoes we don't care if your feet get cut on glass edgier than your ignorance
>>81283749
is this how people shitpost when they are having a mental breakdown
>>81283912
Jews are behind everything
Everyone else is plugged into the matrix and you're the only enlightened, special snowflake on earth
Something about MGTOW
>>81283537
Huns means Brits here
>>81284013
you're 26 and you've literally wasted your life on imageboards, does it feel good?
when i was 12 i had a better defense against people rustling my jimmies than you do, you're like a miniature Zoe Quinn currently, screaming, crying
you need your hugbox.
and Tolkien hated allegory :^)
>>81283964
what is this post even saying i don't understand it, these words don't even make sense together, this makes no sense at all it's just random words strung together, i've read william b strunks style and form in writing and let me tell you this guy has no idea how to write, i really doubt he's read william b strunks book on writing which is considered mandatory course material for anyone going into journalism or writing degrees and fields, so that's solid proof he doesn't even know how to create a logical sentence that has meaning
am i doing proof right
guys guys leave the aspie alone! he's got just as much right to be socially helpless as anyone else!
>personally i find that people who have to either have every work of fiction they read be a parable extolling their pre-existing beliefs, or who have to find comparisons to real world events.. i find that those people are generally spectacularly mentally weak.
>i'm looking at you, libertarian fanfic readers, and socialist fantasy utopia fans
>>81284310
you're like a shittier version of that failed comedian guy who comes here and constantly accuses himself of being a mass shooter,
>>81280885
Even if the story is not allegorical, it represents Tolkien's values and beliefs, ie that goodness/beauty/justice/liberty must be actively and aggressively defended; that even though war is horrific the alternative can be worse; that traditional values such as honor, fidelity, truth, etc are valuable and worthy.
These are all what would generally be considered 'redpilled' values/beliefs, so LOTR is redpilled.
Also Tolkien is pretty explicit about the superiority/nobility of light-skinned, light-eyed people.
>>81284455
>them dub dubs
KEK CONFIRMS.
ASPIE ETERNALLY BTFO
>>81284455
Can't argue with Kek
>>81279564
doesn't really matter if there's any ties to the real world, LOTR and the silmarillion are real gems of fantasy, books like this don't get written anymore.
The stories are all tragic. Even LOTR is bittersweet in the end, because the world can never be the same again even if you want it to. Elves are sailing for the undying lands, dwarves and ents are going extinct, hobbits will go into hiding and the greater men will forget their superior lineage. Beauty and happiness is fleeting and all you can ever do is try and hold on to that last bit of goodness before it fades away
>>81284132
Germany is Saruman's army and France is that puppet king under its spell.
The scandinavian countries are the elves and mediterranean countries are the dwarves, except the Iberian Peninsula which is rulled by goblins. Latin america is also goblins. Switzerland is the shire.
The US is some other kingdom while sandnigers are those people with huge elephant like creatures.
Sauron is more abstract. Its like the kraut's collective consciousness and their never ending lust for destruction. Maybe Belgium.
>>81284455
KEK HAS SPOKEN
>>81284460
This guy understands Tolkien! But these themes are too abstract for aspies, especially since the only beauty they experience is a 2d waifu
>>81284013
>i'm 26 and not autistic
DOUBT.JPG
>>81284623
>Germany is Saruman's army and France is that puppet king under its spell.
>The scandinavian countries are the elves and mediterranean countries are the dwarves, except the Iberian Peninsula which is rulled by goblins. Latin america is also goblins. Switzerland is the shire.
>The US is some other kingdom while sandnigers are those people with huge elephant like creatures.
Tolkien would tell you to fuck off.
>>81284142
i wasn't defending myself because that would be intolerant of your opinions, i just wanted to show solidarity with you by agreeing that patterns have to be on purpose to exist, just like you shouldn't necessarily wear a shoe just because it fits, right?
if i disagreed with you and defended myself i'd have to show actual scientifc proof that you should wear a shoe if it fits and i can't do that because maybe its not your shoe or maybe you're going outside right?
just like all the concentrated autism that went into that meme saying, 'stupid is as stupid does' like yeah well fucking PROVE that stupid is as stupid does. helllo! you can't prove that that's bullshit i've seen smart people do something stupid and stupid people do something smart, so NO, you autist, STUPID IS IS NOT AS STUPID DOES, go back to /r9k/ if you think that stupid is as stupid does, that's just speglord pattern recognition lol
see i'm agreeing with you
>>81283017
>didn't Tolkien btfo nazis
Yes he hated them
>>81284455
>>81284499
CONFIRMED X2.
GO AWAY KNOCKOFF SHAM HIDE.
>>81284791
Why are you even trying, just log off for the night and try to forget how badly you were smacked around
Don't confuse repeatedly touching your dick to a hot stove with rhetorical ability
>>81284784
It doesnt matter. It all makes sense now.
>>81284784
>>81284755
and doubt, my friend, is all you need in life.
or at least you hope
don't doubt that hope you have that doubt is all you need to be smart and succeed
you need that hope.
now that i think about it, you've failed
>>81284460
>Also Tolkien is pretty explicit about the superiority/nobility of light-skinned, light-eyed people.
Is this only in LOTR or could you make some sort of allegory (even if it's just projected by the reader and not intended by Tolkien) for the Silmarillion
>>81284499
>>81284455
Them double dub dubs.
I'm sorry but KEK himself is here and has judged the aspie
>>81284499
>>81284455
Holy shit
>>81284499
>>81284455
>>81284970
give up. stop trying to disagree with me.
turn off your computer. stop posting here.
i beat you. i beat you very badly.
am i doing rhetoric right, i'm trying to learn from you.
socrates said rhetoric is bad and having ability in it is bad too, so, i'm going to believe you instead of him, because i learned from you that believing is better than knowing. i hope i'm doing rhetoric better, just like you.
ok, tell me if i'm getting it right, rhetoric is dressing up words to be better appreciated by people so they believe it, and believing is better than knowing because you need evidence to know something but not to believe something.
did i do good?
>>81285017
I haven't read the silmarillion so I can't tell you. I don't think Tolkien was some kind of race-supremacist, I think he was like how many of us feel about race and our own races: good guys are like us and look like us, bad guys look different and are different.
>>81285361
on a scale of 1/10, how much are you going to impotently punch your mattress in aspie rage?
Lol he's not even worth a (You) at this point
The aspie is getting stale already heh
i'd seriously consider suicide if i got rekt this badly on /pol/, ever
hey.. for some people, death is the only way that others will gather for them, and say good things about them
i don't think the aspie would get much turnout though
>>81285470
on a scale of forever to eventually how long are you going to impotently insult your teachers in your low-powered ignorance
because like i think you keep putting less and less effort into this and i wonder if you'll put less and less effort as your life goes on, into avoiding reality, so i wonder if you'd actually eventually get weary of it and stop doing it
i can do this forever tho
>>81285828
>i can do this forever tho
sooner or later one of your step-dads will make you go to bed and turn off the pentium 233mhz,
You keep obsessing over one poster here but the reality is we all think you are garbage
>REEEEEEEE I AM YOUR TEACHER
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU ARE IGNORANT
>>81285915
sooner or later you'll come across problems that can't be solved by ignoring them.
in the interests of efficiency i will be performing also your role in this conversation by replying to my post with a really cutting one liner
sit back, relax, and let me do both of our jobs here. you've earned it
Just end it, sperg lord
>>81286109
lol this fucking sperg has gotta be some kind of liberal scum, thinking everything is about feelings, i wonder if thats what his daddy told him as he raped him.
>>81286153
hey chill brah i got this.
watch:
>>81286220
listen, you little weebshit virgin, don't kill yourself, you deserve to suffer for the dirty things you do to your body pillow.
see man i got this, you can take a break now. i'm insulting me for you now.
i can do your part too at the same time so kick your feet up and smoke a cigar
What in the fuck did I just read?
>this fucking upset over being told that his opinions on Tolkien are wrong
>>81281437
>sloppy lowtech weapons
haha
i'm going to bed you pathetic, retarded little shit eaters.
you're too fucking dumb to think. you don't want to think. thinking requires an affirmative regards for life. a masculine assertion of ones own existence.
a masculine assertion such as oberving a work of art and deciding for yourself what it could mean, creating a theory on purpose that fits the art and serves your knowledge through a new prism and a new vector.
you can't do that. you're womanized males. you probably were quiet when the teacher told you to be quiet in school. and instead of bottling your rage, if you could, you chose to snip your balls off and join the winning team. women.
as you grew older it became easier and easier to live with your balls snipped off. you became dependant on the defense of submission.
you now get angry enough to samefag on pol in order to attack the confidence of a person who doesn't feel the need to ask the author of a book what he thinks, in order to think something about the book.
guess what, i don't give two red fucks what tolkien has to say about the books he wrote. and you can shove your evidence up your ass, i don't give a fuck about proving what i think. i don't need to. i don't need a justification for my thoughts.
you feel the need to prove (refer to authority) your thoughts. you're mad at me because i think without permission. and now you realize your balls are gone forever. and it hurts. so you hate.
unfortunately when confronted by the presence of a man who can see a thing - think a thing - and then think a thing... without a single fuck given what you think about it (which is actually what you think women feel about it), you go fucking berserk. problem is, you run out of things to say. i don't run out of things to say. because i can say things without permission - i write books. you have to read a thing before you say it, and you can never read more books than i could write.
your first idea is "lol i'm not even gonna read all that".
>>81279564
He was a quasai-religious luddite.
Bad homestuck fan fiction doesn't count as "books"
>>81287113
*and then say a thing
ps. don't even think about saying lol ur stupid for typing the wrong word in. because you made a typo like that yourself in this thread. i didn't say anything
This much damage control?
My dick is diamonds now.
How do I ban someone from posting in my thread
Bump. and lmao
If I have children "on the spectrum" I will smother them in their sleep and this thread is why
>>81287113
>>81287334
i fked ur mum lol
>>81279843
orcs were niggers.
