https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/15/optometrist-honey-rose-guilty-manslaughter-negligence-vinnie-barker-boots
So she will go to prison for a mistake and something that isn't her fault?
This is why i hate moral-fags, they want to put everyone in prison for the tiniest things.
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is a free woman.
Looks like the kid had fetal alcohol syndrome.
>>81275252
This is why I didn't decide to go to medical school. You fuck up once and everybody is calling for your blood.
>>81275252
>no pastebin or img
Guardian viral marketing plz go.
>>81275252
How is this rage fuel?
Opening the prosecution case, Rees said: “The prosecution allege that Vinnie’s death was preventable and would have been prevented had the defendant, Ms Rose, done her job properly.”
He added: “At the heart of the prosecution case against the defendant is the allegation that the defendant’s failure to detect the swollen optic discs and refer Vinnie on for further investigation was grossly negligent on her part.”
Bitch didn't do her job and deserves what she gets.
>>81275252
Haven't people in the UK died waiting to see a doctor?
>>81275252
How come everytime an optometrist is implicated in something /pol/ goes full sperg ands screams >they din du nuffin!
Seriously guys, they sell fucking glasses.
http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3681973
Man I remember seeing the chechens beheading Russian service men in 2008. I don't enjoy watching it but I don't sit around pretending to be a ptsd victim.
Inb4 edgemaster
>>81276464
Yes lol
>>81276534
>sells fucking glasses
>guilty of gross negligence for not examing little fuckboy's brain
>meanwhile hillary
>>81275468
Optometrist should have just plead carelessness
>>81276854
>“At the heart of the prosecution case against the defendant is the allegation that the defendant’s failure to detect the swollen optic discs and refer Vinnie on for further investigation was grossly negligent on her part.”
Retard.
>>81275252
That's what you get for free healthcare.
>>81276534
>everytime an optometrist is implicated in something /pol/ goes full sperg
lmao, how often do optometrists get incarcerated
>>81275252
Yeah, that's called involuntary manslaughter OP. She made an unreasonable mistake and was found guilty.
What's the problem?
Well shit how about the garbage man how come he didn't see the signs
>>81275252
So there were no other symptoms in the 5 MONTHS after the eye exam? Just sudden death with no other opportunity for medical personnel to examine a potential problem?
>>81276986
should I be suing my dentist for not noticing the zit on my toes and referring me to a specialist
>>81276803
Christ those teeth
Why give a toothy smile
>>81276302
how the fuck are they going to prove this? did they take the kid to someone else the day after and get him checked and they found them?
I seriously wonder how they're going to prove her involvement is crucial
>>81275252
Just how careless was this optometrists? Was she really as negligent as they say? Any optometrists here?
>>81277293
think of how she'd look with her lips covering them
>>81277166
>>81277383
>The jury heard photographs taken by another member of staff of the back of his eyes shortly before he was examined by Rose suggested he had bilateral papilloedema – the optic disc at the back of each eye was swollen because of the raised pressure within his skull.
>Rees added: “The prosecution say that the abnormalities in his optic discs would have been obvious to any competent optometrist who had examined them.”
Just fucking read, dude.
>>81277535
and? this isn't proof that the swelling was present when she did her examination
>>81275252
nah man, you dont understand how little these doctors take their job seriously. it's 100% a cashcow for 99% of them.
they barely look at you anymore, they are incompetent and arrogant.
as a doctor you get paid well, so do your job with a good conscience
if we find that you didnt even attempt to do it properly then you deserve to be in jail
>>81277383
>Kid was referred to an optometrist because of issues with his eyes (a side effect of brain swelling, caused by pressure on the optic nerve/swollen optic discs)
>Optometrist doesn't even make a token effort, just says "he's fine" and sends him packing
>Extremely obvious swollen optic discs found in post mortem medical examination
Literally all she had to do was take a look and refer him to a specialist or MRI. Gross Negligence is absolutely applicable.
>>81277673
>Staff member took images of the back of his eyes SHORTLY BEFORE he was examined
>These images suggested swelling
You're retarded
>>81277673
The kid died from the swelling, so it just magically went away when she took a look, then came back after?
Not likely.
What actually happened: She's an incompetent doctor.
>>81277046
1 out of 1 is 100%.
>>81278099
They have no incentive. Here in the US they run tests for everything if there is something wring with you. In the UK they just give you anitacid tablets for cancer i guess.
>>81277895
>>81277723
>>81277535
The issue I have is swelling would present a myriad of other chronic symptoms, vision issues or loss nonwithstanding.
The kid should have had constant worsening headaches leading up to the time of collapse. Possible problems with attention and focus. Things that were continuous, frequent, and slowly worsening. If the parents decided to trust the optometrist and go no further they are also at fault - ignorance applies to all parties. If the parents ignored persistent and worsening symptoms they are also at fault - in this case ignorance indeed is manslaughter. If the parents did notice symptoms and attempted other medical help, but the system couldnt accomodate and was too late to respond, the optometrist is at fault but also the NHS system for being so woefully broken. Refer above to the 72 year old board of directors case.
>>81278511
The kid was referred to an optometrist because he was presenting those symptoms.
>>81275252
how is it not her fault? read your own shitty article before opening a thread fucktard
>>81278511
Not in the early stages.
Presentation
There may be few visual symptoms in early cases, although symptoms of raised ICP include headache (worse on waking, straining and bending), nausea and vomiting.
Hypermetropia may increase due to changes in shape of the back of the eye. With chronicity, blurring of vision and eventually peripheral or complete visual field loss may be experienced.
In contrast to other forms of disc swelling, VA is not impaired initially but in later stages there may be an increase in size of the blind spot.
>>81278611
My point is that he died 5 months later. The parents simply ignored persistent, worsening symptoms because of one visit is what you imply
>>81278802
YOu are basing that off what, exactly?
>>81275252
how the fuck is an eye doctor at fault for a problem with the brain
>>81278960
read the article moron
>>81277384
depends on the amount of swelling and or presence of other symptoms like venous engorgement or hemorrhaging.
If there were photos taken of the eyes a trained optometrist can advise upon the case and determine if it was in fact negligent.
From the article, [prosecutor] said it is agreed that at the time of Vinnie's examination on 15 feb 2012 there were "obvious abnormalities" in both of his eyes.
When an optometrist shines bright light into your eye and makes you follow his finger while being blinded they are looking at the vessels in the back of your eye/area around your optic nerve to check for this sort of thing.
That said boy should have experienced increasingly severe headaches, nausea, possible palsies, and cushing's triad - a fucked up pulse, and irregular breathing. They should've taken him to see a diagnostician, tho optometrist isn't necessarily bad. He had ICP for at least 5 months prior to his death. There had to have been other symptoms. Furthermore, as he was nearing his death these signs/symptoms would be increasingly noticeable as they were affecting his health to the point that he died.
Rule of thumb: increasingly severe headaches over an extended period of time: get it checked out. Early treatment of pretty much whatever is better then delayed treatment. Even big tumors can still grow
>>81278890
He. Died. Five. Months. After. The. Initial. Visit.
That's an extreme case insofar as duration is concerned. It's unreasonable to expect no further symptoms had appeared after that which caused the parents to bring him to the first doctor.
If it was an ophthalmologist I'd understand, but how can you expect an optometrist to tell you anything other than the kind of glasses you need?
The doc missed the sign pipilloedema when checking eye
Medical student level stuff
>>81275252
A dead cracker is a good cracker.
>2016
>wanting to become a doctor to heal worthless humanity
fuck everyone, learn medicine to live your own life healthy and fuck everyone else.
let disease eat them all up.
>>81279190
So what information do you actually have about what occurred in those five months?
how the fuck is an eye doctor responsible for brain damage
>>81275252
What the fuck, UK? How did you let this happen? Even South African law is more advanced and fair. I am only versed in South African law, so can any British lawfag tell me how your justice system allows this?
>>81282172
she they put the blame on her because she didnt save the life of some expendable blue eyed devil
that's a great crime in bongistan
>>81275252
>dentist to face charges as patient enters diabetic ketosis and dies in office
>should've detected fruity smell of their breath and hospitalized them
>>81275252
>female surgeon
say no more
>>81275252
What ? This is insane.
>She
Nice.
>>81279190
So? The fact it was preventable doesn't change the fact it was gross negligence leading to the death of another on the part of the optometrist.
Gross negligence doesn't mean 'oh they missed some small detail', it means they effectively lied about doing the job, either because they were too lazy or too incompetent to perform the work to a sufficient standard.
Suppose you take your car to a mechanic to get the brakes checked, and the mechanic just tops up the brake fluid and replaces the pads and completely misses that the brake lines are torn. As you drive home you run a red light and hit a pedestrian because your brakes failed. That is manslaughter through gross negligence. Sure, the death could have been prevented had you noticed the brakes were still a bit funny and refused to take the car, but that doesn't absolve the mechanic of responsibility.
I fell for the nursing meme. It's not very fun. Part of me wants to do anesthesia but liability is extremely high since the nurse is responsible for keeping the pt alive, all the doctor does is cut shit. Medical field is a meme and I should have gone into some kind of blue collar shit, like radios or fiber optic laying. Sure it's 70k and 3 days a week, but nurses are expected to care and 90% of people who get sick deserve it and directly brought it on themselves. How can I feel sympathy for that? The walking and paperwork doesn't bother me, it's the pretending I give a shit that wears me out.
>Eight-year-old Vincent “Vinnie” Barker died on 13 July 2012 – about five months after he had a routine eye test at Boots opticians in Upper Brook Street, Ipswich.
>five months
5
Worse than a doctor making a false diagnose are the people believing the doctors everything, not consulting internet or other doctors, looking for symptoms.
I mean the child must have screamed from headaches over months.
That during these months the parents drag him to a different doctor? Nah... better blame it on someone else.
I hate people following their doctor's every word without thinking.
