This is not a joke.
Slavoj Zizek, the leading European left-wing intellectual, actually said referendums and the people should no longer decide things.
This is the person giving direction to all European left-wing parties.
>>80873796
>left-wing intellectual
>the people should no longer decide things
Democracy was a mistake
>>80873796
Looks like he's mad at that island that didn't tolerate its bullshit
>>80873796
I "get" being Bremain but what fuck is up with the histrionics ? Did people really like a faceless beuracracy running trade? Like did they really care that much
>>80873796
>Slavoj Zizek
>that weird Slovene dude
>leading anything
>>80873796
>left-wing intellectual
>>80873796
moe like its time for the masses to unite and whipe the elites and their entire families out forever.
>>80873796
>"*sniff* zis is trruly rrevolutionarry comrradesh *sniff*"
>>80874708
This, BKA please don't arrest me for hatespeech. I dindu!
>>80873796
>elites
>rising up
How long til this hits American soil? Fuck knows the left is chomping at the bit to become the fascists they've always dreamed of stopping.
>>80873796
How the fuck are blatantly treasonous cunts like this not being hung on lamp posts by now?
Is everyone in the west completely fucking cucked?
>>80873796
EU "democracy" is already a farce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmBJJcI6zd4
>>80873796
>It's about the sane vs mindlessly angry.
He's right you know.
>>80873959
Left-wing socialist here.
Studies show that that when confronted with facts and truth, people are more likely to double down on their false beliefs than change their mind.
Fundamental principle of democracy is that in a free exchange of ideas, best ones would prevail. Science shows that this is not true, therefore, democracy does not actually work. It's more of a way to give everybody a participation award, while silencing everybody outside two standard deviations from the average, that may or may not know what they are doing, depending on the quality of education.
>>80875054
>it's about the calm, collected psychopaths vs the mindlessly angry
Fixed that for you.
>>80873796
>>80874708
>>80874782
There really can't be that many elite out there anyways
>>80874994
Well, since you can get arrested for disagreeing with those cunts.
Everyone is like "if someone starts it, we in."
>>80875103
>socialist
>beliefs having any basis in reality
lmaoing my ass off senpai
>>80875103
>Studies show
Studies also show you're a faggot.
>>80873796
Hahahaha! Good luck staying in the fucking EU Greece! You chose it tho, you had a chance to blow the eurozone up and you chickened out!
Fuck you and fuck the EU!
That's not what he said.
>So how would Brexit fare in this context? From a leftwing standpoint, there are some good reasons to support Brexit: a strong nation state exempted from the control of Brussels technocrats can protect the welfare state and counteract austerity politics.
Anyway, here's zizek on it.
https://youtu.be/2OzV53zj1PA
He shits on eu.
Fucking duh, Zizek is a Communist who hates democracy. How could anyone not know that?
>>80875234
>>80875214
Exactly what I mean.
>>80875103
Sad but true
Im not saying the "elite" should be in control though
Maybe test based on intelligence, empathy, and whether or not you have a truth seeking personality should decide your voting power
The last 2 can be done with brain scans
>>80873796
>be slav
>be west style commie slav
>magically turn it into east style communism with western faggotry
>>80873796
You lot have a monster over there. In plain sight. Truly spoopy shit. I hope and pray we don't get to see that here in that form. There won't be America. Just a beer name.
>>80875103
>democracy does not actually work.
in other words, since it doesnt go your way, you should be crowned king for reasons.
lol blow it out your ass faggot
>>80875472
>Maybe test based on intelligence, empathy, and whether or not you have a truth seeking personality should decide your voting power
The last 2 can be done with brain scans
LMAO, can I get some of what you are smoking?
>>80873796
But the elites themselves brought this upon themselves.
The Jew (part of the elites) corrupted media and academia and created generations upon generations of communist/feminist/homosexual malcontents, race traitors, criminals, and all manner of undesirables.
You know what they say: "They that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind." You reap what you sow. You either fix it, or be consumed by the enemies in your midst, along with the monsters they've created.
>>80875375
you haven't even said anything remotely insightful you mongoloid leafposter
>>80875103
>Fundamental principle of democracy is that in a free exchange of ideas, best ones would prevail.
How do you define "best"?
>>80873796
>left-wing intellectual
>>80873796
He didn't actually say that retard. He was trying to say that sometimes, no matter what, the people are fucked
>>80875234
Nice argument, you must have been classically trained by the left
>>80873796
>fedoras to the power
communism never changes
>>80875103
>Studies show that that when confronted with facts and truth, people are more likely to double down on their false beliefs than change their mind.
The fact that socialism exists is proof of that.
>Science shows that this is not true, therefore, democracy does not actually work.
OK, go and take the GDP, social mobility, education rates, crime rates and corruption rates and of 10 democratic countries of your choice and 10 socialist countries of your choice, compare them, and get back to me on which ones are better.
>>80875103
>Studies show that that when confronted with facts and truth, people are more likely to double down on their false beliefs than change their mind.
Except socialists, because socialism is facts and truth.
>>80875539
>budweiser
>american
it's owned by inbev. you're drinking brazillian pisswater
>>80875666
The ideas that allow all citizens to thrive
>>80875472
>test based on intelligence, empathy, and whether or not you have a truth seeking personality should decide your voting power
That's exactly what an "elite" should be. Capitalism has rendered the upper-class worthless, while technology will do the same to the lower class.
>>80875545
When you see a broken system, it's not hypocrisy to be pleased when it actually produces something decent. After all, a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>80875054
>elites & mindlessly angry pc acolyte useful idiots vs the sane
>>80875103
You'll be put up against the wall with the rest of the traitors
>>80875666
The one with most support.
The people is ALWAYS right, ALWAYS!
>>80875103
History has shows us that communist and socialist governments stagnate and fail
>>80875608
There is a part of the brain that deals with empathy and it can be missing damaged or shrunk
Serial killers all show this part missing on brain scans
For the truth seeking personality bit you can trace chemicals being released in the brain with scans
And when someone radical is confronted with truth these chemicals get released stopping them from considering anything you say
>by James Traub
I think Slavoj Zizek is spelled a little differently
>>80873796
>elites rising up
>obnoxious rich faggots murdered in the streets by poorfags and rapefugees because they have not found out that their lives are worth less than their iPhone 6.0
I swear Brexit was like the Wests Solidarity moment, and now we'll get to see everything go to shit. At least we'll get our Pelevin
>>80875375
is that also the reason left wing polidorks need mass immigration of uneducated 3rd world niggers into western societies to keep the ((socialists)) in power by rigging the votes?
>>80875103
>Studies show
What studies? Can you link them?
>>80875820
>When you see a broken system, it's not hypocrisy to be pleased when it actually produces something decent. After all, a broken clock is right twice a day
broken systems, unlike communism, right
>>80875047
Maybe they already read through all the propositions. Though I doubt that.
>>80875103
>Studies show that that when confronted with facts and truth, people are more likely to double down on their false beliefs than change their mind.
is this why leftists get upset when hearing about non-white crime statistics?
>depending on the quality of education.
education has nothing to do with critical thinking skills. stop embarrassing yourself.
>>80873796
>Slavoj Zizek, the leading European left-wing intellectual, actually said referendums and the people should no longer decide things.
where? I'm seeing James Traub. Slavoj thinks we're quite right to be pissed at the migrant crisis.
>>80875360
> he says "literally"
> mfw he gets ideas from 4chan
>>80875103
Nice bait, lots of fish in this thread.
>>80876004
>There is a part of the brain that deals with empathy and it can be missing damaged or shrunk
>Serial killers all show this part missing on brain scans
So you assume that by simply having one then the opposite is true and that person is incapable of lacking empathy? That is a stretch.
>For the truth seeking personality bit you can trace chemicals being released in the brain with scans
So you plan on testing them every single time they say something to be sure they are actually telling the truth?
>And when someone radical is confronted with truth these chemicals get released stopping them from considering anything you say
Oh sorry, I didn't realize you were making things up.
>>80873796
>we know what's best for society because reasons
I think it's time to take the guillotine out of the garage.
>>80875956
Violent revolutions are not productive to a state's health, and history also shows of massive harassment and antagonizing of left-wing in general.
>Operation Gladio\B
>War on Drugs
>Domino Theory
>>80876092
Neo-liberals, actually. They cynically game democracy to stay in power.
>welfare state
>open borders
Pick one.
>>80876150
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyhan/nyhan-reifler.pdf
>>80873796
Zizek is a circus freak.
Would you trust a junkie looking fag just because he has a elaborate vocabulary?
Check-mate lefties.
>>80876737
>Dark calamari rings
That, sirs, is a kike.
>>80876475
>So you assume that by simply having one then the opposite is true and that person is incapable of lacking empathy? That is a stretch.
no its genetics
and again you can do brain scans to see if its active and if its responding correctly to stimuli
>So you plan on testing them every single time they say something to be sure they are actually telling the truth?
I dont think you understood the second part, its not about doing lie detector test
Its about seeing if those crazy chemicals get released on mass when confronted with a different point of view
Chemicals getting released in the brain do effect your behavior greatly
>>80875103
>Fundamental principle of democracy is that in a free exchange of ideas, best ones would prevail.
No. The fundamental principle of democracy is that people get what they want, good and hard. You get a hand in the system that rules your life, good or bad is just a bonus.
>>80876309
>>80875956
When the elites take over that would make things WORSE. History shows us when this happens you end up with factions of Machiavellian creatures endlessly plotting against each other in the Grand Game.
That's what life in East Germany was like. Bureaucrats endlessly blackmailing, sabotaging and honey-dicking each other to move up the ladder. And if you lost your ass got purged. The only people that ever made it up the ladder in that game were some Scary Motherfuckers(tm).
>>80873796
>slavshits
>leading anything ever
>>80877012
Pinochet did nothing wrong.
>>80877012
Nice thumbnail.
I'm gonna burn my copy of the Communist Manifesto
Stick around, I'll probably do it this week or next
>>80875774
>American
It is America. They're actually calling America a Brazilian pisswater. I'd believe it.
>>80876737
His speech impediment makes me angry.
He's like Daffy Duck if Daffy Duck was even more of an asshole.
>>80873796
Wtf I hate democracy now
>>80877012
>Pics, for ants
You stupid wetbacks can't do shit right, and you wonder why no one wants you here.
All you and your kin are good for is manual labor, so start building THAT WALL.
>>80877202
>>80877012
Žižek is a professional troll.
He's so high on coke he has no idea what he's doing anymore.
>>80875103
said the marxist
>>80877845
Marxism is too naive.
>>80876737
>elaborate vocabulary
I literally speak better english then him.
He literally uses leftist forum buzzwords you don't usually hear because you don't visit them.
He is literally a fat old SJW but replace SJW with commie.
>>80877012
>>80877779
>pinochet killing innocents
>implying commies are innocent
>>80873796
This is why the Khmer Rouge executed the intellectuals and the teachers. These traitors will never stop until everything is a Communist wasteland.
Zizek is based as fuck and the exact opposite of the liberal multicultural pussies we all hate so much.
He is red pilled as fuck on the refugee crisis, and pissed off the entire european left by writing about the problem with refugee rapes and their lack of integration into their culture. He doesn't dismiss the desire of the people to maintain traditional ways of life and even defended Brexit and Trump a moderate amount.
His political ideology is basically left-wing facism but he dances around it so as to not get ostracized by euro-cucks. I'm not a Marxist but I absolutely read and respect his views, as many of the concepts he comes up with can be redeployed for the right.
>>80878240
Is this the part where
>Kampuchean intellectuals
is quoted
>>80875103
Democracy is not even real. Sham choices, ballot stuffing, and creative vote counting happens all the time.
>>80878015
Doesn't he realize that if his glorious pogrom does happen his skull will eventually wind up on the pile? In that world if somebody gets tired of his shit they'll fucking kill him.
>>80873796
Oh shit, Romania December 1989 when?
>>80873796
He's right you know (no joke).
>>80877012
You fool!
>>80877012
what is this? r/fullcommunism for ants?
>>80878446
Corruption of democracy is the reason communism will forever haunt the West. Even after it "defeated" USSR.
Hail Hydra.
>we must save them from themselves
Why?
If people want to vote their way into oblivion then let them. It's their right. Democracy is not a means to an end, it is an end in itself.
>>80878475
Pic related
Talked a lot of shit and just assumed he'd curried Castro's favor unconditionally. Once the revolution finally came Castro had no use for his ass. Bang, bang.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Alexander_Morgan
>>80878915
Fuck.
>>80878796
>We are all in the same boat.
This statement is not a slogan, or a platitude, or a cheer. It is a cold, hard fact. I am happy to let others commit suicide, but they are using explosives and I am in the blast raidus.
>>80879096
So what you're saying is that you're not doing it to save them, you're doing it to save yourself? You lose any claim that what you're doing is good for society, or that you do it based on altruism. It becomes simply "you threaten my interests, I threaten you," and you are unmasked as the animal that you are.
A true enemy of the people.
>people ITT not realizing that Zizek is basically a master troll/provocateur
>>80879287
I haven't threatened anybody, though, aussie. Nice try, though.
>>80873796
>Slavoj Zizek, the leading European left-wing intellectual, actually said referendums and the people should no longer decide things.
That's a good point.
The average person is an idiot.
>>80875103
Which is why the United States is a representative Republic and not a "democracy", with a system of checks and balances.
>>80878475
dude isn't an idiot - he is a self-professed Stalinist who was the runner up for the Slovenian presidency in 1990 and was almost also the chief of their intelligence agency.
"If they don't support SYRIZA, then, in my vision of the democratic future, all these people will get from me [is] a first-class one-way ticket to [a] gulag."
He just wants to offer left-wing free helicopter rides as well, what's so wrong with that?
>>80879519
Yes. Check is in the mail, balance added to your account, Congressman.
>>80873796
America has many mindlessly angry people right now, like Black Lives Matter and their white collaborators.
They need to be put down.
>>80875103
Shut up, you smug kike. Democracy is at least kinda self correcting, taking out the trash when it fails after a couple of years and giving politicians some kind of feedback through voting, which they don't get from biased polls.
Not like fucking socialism that was ruled by an intellectual class that didn't know what the hell was going on for decades. There is collective intelligence behind a democratic process which the individual can't fathom. Look at Switzerland and tell me how democracy is a failure.
>>80875103
>Fundamental principle of democracy is that in a free exchange of ideas, best ones would prevail.
I have never heard of this "fundamental principle" before and I have to believe this is an intentional reframing in order to knock the strawman down.
Democracy is chosen when people believe individuals and societies have the right of self-determination.
>>80873796
article behind paywall. post capture.
>referendums and the people should no longer decide things.
He's right, you know. Pic related.
>>80880245
pic.
>>80874991
I wish I could've voted Brexit.
>>80879997
>I have never heard of this "fundamental principle" before and I have to believe this is an intentional reframing in order to knock the strawman down.
It's called "free speech".
>>80879895
If you had read what I posted fully, you'd understand that democracy's capacity for "self-correction" is dependent entirely on education. Most of the time, anyway. Let's not forget Iceland.
>>80876737
INSTALL GENTOO
>>80873796
It is time to dissolve the people and import a new one.
>>80878181
>hahaha XDD Stalin and Lenin did nothing wrong fucking capitalist "innocents" lol XDDDD
>>80873959
That is the basis of the far left.
>>80876514
Libtards aren't smart enough to pick one because "MUH EQUALITY" and "MUH HUMAN RIGHTS"
Left wing ideals are purely emotional and while some may be necessary, they need to have their economic viability weighed out but Libtards are impatient and don't care about freedom as long as someone stands up for their feelings right this second.
you know, I see people posting about this zizek guy alot but I don't know what his actual oppinions are.
anyone have a tl;dr...?
>>80873796
Elites are mad, it's the end of their EU dream.
>>80874708
Again? Geez, the elites never learn
>>80881517
All the people in the capitalism has never been tried picture haven't killed as many as a single one in the other picture combined
>>80874571
Kek
friendly reminder that some of these oppressive regimes have lasted centuries
this could very well last the rest of your lifetime
>>80875103
The leaf is right. Although
>Fundamental principle of democracy is that in a free exchange of ideas, best ones would prevail.
Is a strawman. That's the argument for free speech, free press and the unrestricted sharing of information. The argument for democracy/republicanism is one of self-determination.
The irony is that, after granting voting rights to women, niggers, and poor men, the US started to become increasingly more socialist. Since the stupid, dependent and worse-off will usually end up voting to take away resources from others.
>>80883057
Nice meme
>>80875103
IT'S A LEAF
A SOCIALIST LEAF
>>80875103
All that's needed is a way to determine if "the masses" understand what they're voting for.
>>80884565
Is that what it all comes down to? A pissing contest of death tolls?
Not to mention that it doesn't mention some other prolific anti communist killers like Suharto or the Duvaliers, and Leopold of Belgium killed 10-20 million.
>>80885598
Heroes.
>>80873796
>Rise up
>implying they don't run the shit
Maybe if socialism wasn't so shit people wouldn't want to leave your EU.
>>80877455
>implying all of them weren't failures
>>80885598
>Is that what it all comes down to? A pissing contest of death tolls?
No, but Communism in inherently immoral because it uses force and coercion to force people to "share". Compared to capitalism where the vast majority of transactions are voluntary, it's an immoral system. That's not even factoring in its utter failure as an economic system.
>>80873796
(((intellectual)))
>>80885963
>communist regimes kill people
>OMG MUH 100 BILLION TRILLION!!!!!111!!!!
>anti-communist regimes kill people
>haha heroes XDD
Hypocrisy much?
>>80873796
>>80886040
>Rise up
Yeah, more like "crack down"
>>80874708
>>80874708
>>80874782
FUCKIN DO ITTTTTTTT
>>80886203
>le capitalism is voluntary meme
Tell that to the factory workers who have no choice but to work in shit conditions for shit wages with no say in the running of their lives.
>>80875103
The studies that support your point say that that is not true for older groups of voters, and less so for men, dont come on /pol/ and bullshit. 30+ aged, hence why when you see these college aged SJWs confronted with facts and figures they scream every buzzword their jewish professor has managed to cram down their throats. You can easily sway older voters with facts and figures. This is evidence of 2 points.
1) The voting age should be higher.
2) Leaf posters should be banned. They contribute nothing except bait and " superior bbc threads"
>Mandatory A FUCKING LEAF
WTF did I just fucking read??
>>80886610
>being hypocritical in your argument about hypocrisy
>>80874991
>Haarez
>A radical leftist newspaper.
Most here supported Brexit, including the gov.
>>80887063
I'm not being hypocritical.
>>80873796
>Slavoj Zizek, the leading European left-wing intellectual, actually said referendums and the people should no longer decide things.
No he did not.
>>80885148
this guys is correct.
It's the leftist media and activists who seek to limit the "free exchange of ideas", because they fear that the "best ones would prevail" as they know their socialist Marxist globalist drivel is definitely not in the best interest of the majority of the population.
It's the leftists sending swat teams to crack down on dissenting opinions as we speak. That's what needs to be eradicated.
>>80873796
>The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), founded in 1921, is a United States 4900-member organization, nonprofit, publisher, and think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy and international affairs. It is headquartered in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, D.C.. Its membership has included senior politicians, more than a dozen secretaries of state, CIA directors, bankers, lawyers, professors, and senior media figures. The CFR promotes globalization, free trade, reducing financial regulations on transnational corporations, and economic consolidation into regional blocs such as NAFTA or the European Union, and develops policy recommendations that reflect these goals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations
The guy who wrote the article in the image is clearly a neoliberal.
>>80876737
>elaborate vocabulary?
lel
>>80880740
best post
>>80887500
This. This is literally why Europe and the USA are being flooded by herdbeasts from cultures that rely on political machines and conformism. They will use literal democracy to completely eliminate civilization.
>>80886866
>Tell that to the factory workers who have no choice but to work in shit conditions for shit wages with no say in the running of their lives
You're describing factory workers in Soviet Russia, ironically. They had nowhere else to go, the only employer was the state. The state doesn't have to compete, it can treat it's employees as garbage as they want, even kill them. In a capitalist system you can always work for another company.
>No say in the running of their lives
>Get to decide how they spend the most of their money instead of the state taking it all
>Free speech
>Freedom of travel
They have a lot more say in their lives than anyone in a Communist system where your body is quite literally property of the state.
>>80887273
He didn't? Because this is what every single other Eurocrat was saying, and thousands of Remainers on twitter.
>>80887241
t. Alberto
>>80875103
Pretty much the plot of Asimov's iRobot. Can't wait till we're run by smarter robots.
>>80873796
literally the least leftist thing I've ever seen
I always knew this cunt was an undemocratic authoritarian fuck. I'm glad he finally revealed his true nature.
>>80875103
>socialist
pls buy a gun and end urself
>>80887066
Despite a good portion of your religion being against me, you are all right, Nose-kun.
>>80887066
Hey, we need you Jews back in our countries. Without you guys, everything has turned to shit. Can you PLEASE play countries off against each other so that we don't degenerate?
>>80874708
>moe like its time for the masses to unite and whipe the elites and their entire families out forever.
Agree
((((James Traub))))
Rather than rising against them now, why didn't they do it when it mattered? Why not educate the masses about things they cared about? It's democracy, and masses decide. So if elites were actually sensible, they would've tried to make change instead of just assuming things went their way.
No use fucking crying over spilt milk.
>>80874708
[This message has been removed due to violation in EU Safe Speech protocol.]
>>80877455
>Libertarian socialism
How the fuck does that even work
>>80873796
>Slavoj Zizek, the leading European left-wing intellectual, actually said referendums and the people should no longer decide things.
He's European. Of course he thinks that.
>>80894298
>>80875103
The various brands of socialism and interventionism could not retain their popularity IF people were to discover
that the measures whose adoption is hailed as social progress curtail production and tend to bring about capital decumulation.
Ludwig von Mises- The Theory of Money and Credit
>>80875103
>Fundamental principle of shitposting is that in a free exchange of memes, best ones would prevail
>>80894966
Haha yeah right, that would never happen here!
(USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR CRIMETHINK)
>>80885148
One of the handful non-retarded post on this thread
>>80873796
The left has been steadily showing their true selves more and more lately.
It started with the right to weapons. The left threw that one overboard a couple decades ago.
But now we're seeing them argue against Freedom of Speech, against Due Process, and now even against Democracy itself.
And they wonder why Brexit happened.
>>80875103
>Fundamental principle of democracy is that in a free exchange of ideas, best ones would prevail.
That is false. The fundamental principle of democracy is that the people being ruled get to decide, collectively, how they are being ruled. The free exchange of ideas aids in this process, but is not the point of the process. Also, having the "best" ideas prevail is pointless because whoever gets to decide which ideas are "best" effectively controls the democracy, which is counter to its fundamental principle.
>>80894966
That's harassment. It isn't protected under freedom of speech. She was charged with bullying not for saying a racist remark.
The elites have gotten to out of touch with the common man, again.
When that happens, we get a new empire.
Happens every 250 years or so, give or take 50 years.
It's always a big surprise for the elites when it happens, even though it's happened every 250 years or so since the beginning of a ruling class.
Rinse and repeat.
>>80873796
Are Europeans finally going to learn the hard way why you need the right to bear arms?
