Are trade jobs the biggest meme in existence?
>Slaving over hot metal all day
>lolcertslol
>choosing to be poor
>dead end career- enjoy doing that for the rest of your life
>no upward mobility
>no degree
>not even STEM
Everyone I know with a trade job is unhealthy as fuck, either smokes a pack of cigs a day or weighs 300 lbs... is there a connection?
>>80855978
>Get trade job
>Bust ass for a few years
>Become a supervisor
>Move up the management chain
>Perhaps become a quality inspector
>After you learn all you can, leave to start own company
>Become millionair due to your years and years of knowledge from first hand experience
wut?
Air maintenance here. It's fine.
>>80856526
I actually know someone who did this. But like I said in my previous post, he will probably be dead by the age of 50.
>>80855978
trade jobs are the shit. no women. which means you get to call your coworkers faggots. lots of bantz.
>>80856526
>get trade job
>get replaced by a robot
>kill myself
>>80856533
>Choosing to be poor
>>80856703
>choosing bantz over money
Tough decision, but there is wrong answer here.
>>80855978
>choosing to be poor
tradesmen make a lot of money and have huge growth potential.
>>80855978
wish I could get a trade job, I cant even get the training for it
I like working with my hands... and being paid more than nothing
>>80855978
So who do you think should do them if you are too good to do it?
>>80856526
>I worked as a cashier so now I can start my own grocery store chain.
Nice logic there amerifat, I bet you think you can be an accountant because you can add.
>>80855978
I'll prob just kill myself if it doesn't work out. Even if it did I barely have enough reasons to justify existing to begin with.
>>80855978
Either join a union and learn a trade, or learn a lot of various skills/teach yourself and apply them in your own way to generate income for yourself.
I went to trade school, and I also picked up other skills along the way. I have used all of them to make money.
With experience you gain management skills as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEuPmVAb8o
>its a "millennial gets triggered at the thought of actualy having to get a job" thread
>>80855978
>>choosing to be poor
>>dead end career- enjoy doing that for the rest of your life
>>no upward mobility
literally all wrong
>>80855978
someone got to do it and i would kill myself if i had to be in an office all day.
NEETdom is the true profession of the redpilled Aryan.
>>80856920
Not as much as a STEM major
>>80856938
People who don't take stem, obviously.
>>80857255
>Pagay
>Y-you can earn money being a shit wiper too!
>>80857258
Nope.
>>80855978
I know a group of guys that build custom stove hoods and make bank.
We have landscaper millionaires in my town
>>80855978
>liberal arts fag with no future bagging on middle class tradesman
Drink bleach faggot
>>80857389
wait, please dont tell me youre some 19 year old getting a "math degree" and think you will be a millionaire right after college.
>>80855978
>choosing to be poor
Someone has never held a welding job. I can't even TIG and I make six figures.
>>80857389
>Not as much as a STEM major
And how much do you have to pay for a degree compared to trade school? Do you even know how much the average welder makes?
>>80857597
>yes sir mister shekelsberg I'll do this hot and dangerous job for you no questions asked
>>80855978
>>80856399
Something that baby boomers recommend highly unaware of the changing world around them and that the cost of living has rose since they were 20somethings.
>>80855978
get fucked! trades jobs are awesome. not meme quality. you just need to choose a universally applicable vocation. id avoid welding though, carpentry or some kind of advanced construction trade would be better, electrician, plumber...choose a market with lots of population growth and a foreseable building boom. thats pretty much means the sunbelt and west coast. haters can eat a dick.
>>80855978
Where is all this misinformation coming from?
plumbers and welders who are a few steps above entry level make 100k a year,
Competition is rough though
>>80857569
Nope, Material Engineering from RPI
Go fuck yourself
>>80857619
You have to sacrifice to earn, friend.
I don't give a shit about the people who will work for me.
my tinfoil hat plan is aquaculture. urban fish farm for hungry hippie niggers.
>>80855978
I'm doing welding right now, it's actually not bad. But it for what ever reason attracts the dredges of society that no employer would ever touch.
>>80857928
>>80857929
That's right wageies. Make that money so you can fund my extravagant lifestyle. Today I woke up early, at noon, and I'm having rare steak and eggs for breakfast with a nice cup of gourmet coffee, all paid for with foodstamps (thanks wageies).
>>80856203
How about fuck off dirty nigger
>>80857938
The engineers in America that don't succeed in California make $30 an hour.
The union sprinkler fitter on the west coast makes $60.
Enjoy your low test meme.
>trained to become Electrician doing a 4 year apprenticeship
>later became foreman
>company paid me to become a technician
>occasionally have to sit in an office, hate it
It's not too bad I get paid more than my friends who went off to university and they suffer from working the the same job forever with no upward ability in an office filled with hundreds of people
If you are good at your job and not a complete social outcast any job has upward mobility, a friend of mine who was just a laborer is now sitting in the office buying and selling shit on 30k a year and never been to uni or college.
>>80857938
>Material Engineering
And what do you hope to do with that?
>>80857938
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/materials-engineers.htm
lol process operators make more than you by going to a tech school for 2 years
>>80858285
>California
Explains that
>>80858383
Work under my father in South Carolina
lmao at tradies who think they're got shit even though they barely passed high school
>>80858712
>mfw wagies argue over who is the better slave
>>80858582
Ah, so your degree isn't really responsible for you getting employed. Nice.
>>80858712
must be bad to know people out there good with there hands earn more money than you and never got into debt for the purpose of working a shit job in a shit office.
>>80858874
Having connections is important, isn't it :^)
>>80856940
>leafposting
If you started as a cashier, rose up the ranks to stock, supply, assistant manager, manager, corporate associate, corporate assistant manager, and spend your career making contacts and learning about how to manage a grocery chain, used the resources the job gave you (like reviewing their performance and market trends, areas of improvement, public demand, etc), you would be in a prime position to start your own chain that focused on being better than them with that knowledge, and pull any talent they had to your side.
That's how 7-11 cornered the Japanese market.
>>80858582
>has to have daddy give him a job while he goes get his token degree
lol
>>80858951
>must be bad to know people out there who are smarter than you are living off of your taxes and never got into debt or sweaty trying to slave for a living
>>80855978
Some people don't like offices. Have you ever lurked in an /out/ jobs thread?
>>80859308
>he's this envious
>>80857938
>RPI
AHAHAHAHA YOURE SLAVING AWAY OVER A KEK DEGREE, IN UPSTATE NEW YORK, SURROUNDED BY NIGGERS IN TROY AND YOULL MAKE LESS THAN A 19 YEAR OLD WELDER
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why do neets think they are taken seriously?
>>80856526
> EVERYONE CAN BE A MILLIONAIR
get out you lying faggot
the current economic model REQUIRES an underclass to exist.
>mfw I get paid to think
>>80859270
No you wouldn't, because at a certain point they would expect you to be degree educated. If you weren't, then they would start asking serious questions. The only way to get around that is if you have political experience, which brings me on to
>you would be in a prime position to start your own chain that focused on being better than them with that knowledge
Wal Mart tried that on in Germany and they got shat on by Lidl and Aldi.
You need a vast amount of resources to start a supermarket chain. Billions, along with a wide array of political contacts and supplier contacts across the board. It isn't acquirable in one lifetime.
>>80859509
>being envious of some dumb manchild who isnt self reliant and makes less money than me
lol you arent even out of school yet.
>>80860057
But I'm going to tell you what to weld and that's what counts.
Have fun taking orders from a nigger you stupid faggot.
>>80859703
I don't need to be taken seriously by the people who work to support me. :^) Enjoy breaking your back while knowing that I'm sitting here drinking craft beer all on your dime.
>>80856526
>le embarrassed millionaire meme
>>80859925
>If you weren't, then they would start asking serious questions.
No one gives a shit about education outside of the education system. As long as you do your job well no one will give a fuck.
>>80860230
There is no way whatsoever you are going to get onto a board position without a degree unless you were born before 1940.
>>80855978
Fuck off fag nothing wrong with learning a trade and buliding your own business plus if everyone went to university who woulr build houses and resurface roads and all the other stuff like that
>>80855978
Yes goy, you must pay us 80,000 and lose the best physical years of your life before you join the work force!
>>80860347
Once you start rising in the ranks a lot of companies will pay for further education, night schools are full of 30+ people all getting paid to get degrees.
>>80860196
You don't get enough to drink craft beer. Just admit mommy and daddy are looking after you
>>80860360
Not everyone will go to university.
The people that don't go will build the roads.
Careful you don't miss third prayer Akmed.
>>80860527
After rent and bills I have about $2000 to spend. None of it goes to food because of food stamps. Since I don't have to pay for gas to get to work, work clothing, doctor's visits because I worked too hard, etc. it goes quite a long way. Keep justifying slaving away and wasting your life for me though, it's not as if I don't appreciate the work you do.
>>80859262
Having connections is 10x as important as a degree. If your college doesn't connect you to a potential employer, you have the right to burn it down.
>>80856940
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about
>learn how to weld
>spend months looking for welding work
>everywehre requires 3+ years of experience
>the places that dont are MIG welding jobs
>I only know TIG and SMAW
>Apply to a job that is literally nothing but tacking (which is just sticking 2 pieces of metal together with a tiny dot so somebody else can weld it, for those that dont know)
>2 years of experience required
fuck off why did I believe the retards that said the last generation of welders were retiring and no young people were learning the trade, so jobs would just fall into my lap
>>80860488
I know. Which sort of shits all over your initial point of
>No one gives a shit about education outside of the education system. As long as you do your job well no one will give a fuck.
Then again, if you aren't clever enough to get into university these days then you must be very stupid indeed.
>>80861381
The only stupidity these days is breaking your back for a living. Why don't you guys join me in bliss? Why are you so enamored with your slavery?
>>80858832
"My chains are gold and yours are only iron, haha loser!"
>>80861320
4chan, and the internet in general, is just full of people giving anecdotal evidence.
If you were bothered for looking the forums of the 1990s were full of people saying that the only way you were going to get paid any sort of money in the future was by getting a computer science degree or network engineering qualifications. If people had access to the WWW in the 1970s and 80s, finance was the only way you were making any money - apparently.
So on, and so forth. If you want steady employment look at the big employers in your area and work around that. Taking advice from someone who says "lol get into welding" isn't very smart if there are no shipyards, engine rooms, fabrication companies or steel works in your area.
>>80856891
Kek. Paper pushers and service industry job are what is getting replaced. Machines will never be nimble enough or be able to make good judgement calls the way tradesmen do.
t. Refrigeration tech.
>>80860583
Wow nice come back only im white and hate muslims also enjoy your masive debts from university and the worthless bit of paper that you need to make you feel special and better than everyone else cunt
>>80861523
If we're, all slaves to something, why not be the best slave?
>>80855978
Trades are awesome. I got into one right after military. Been doing it for about 13 years. Make WAY more money than most people I went to high school with. Even college kids are just now catching up to what I make but still have college loans to pay off. Find a trade you like, work like a dog,l and you'll be able to afford a home, truck, boat, motorcycle, whatever. I have all 4. Hard work pays off. Huge.
I agree with OP, trades are memes, its unhealthy and will be replaced by robots very soon, may as well just get a McDonalds job
#Hillary2016
>>80857389
Look up the current and projected growth of the STEM fields and get back to me
>>80861734
>Machines will never be nimble enough or be able to make good judgement calls the way tradesmen do.
he fucking believes this
>>80861661
>in your area
Why cant you move?
>>80857307
>>80857699
>>80858220
>>80858832
>>80859374
>>80860196
>>80860775
NEET troll tryhard
>all that gloating
>almost as classy as a single negress on welfare with six kids
Here's the (You) you've been after!
>>80861858
Not for a long long time.
We only just figured out how to get a machine to win at go
>working
>not being NEET masterrace
>>80861798
But my paper DOES make me better.
That's why I will get paid more.
>>80861837
>1 post by this ID
>>80861913
Do you want to know the best part? Every time my wife has a kid they up my paycheck. You're paying for me to outbreed you.
Carpet fitter here. I make about £900 a week through the carpet store I work for 4 days a week. I also have independent work of about £200-£250 on the fifth day. So yeah, I'm fine.
>>80861495
Why wouldn't a man want to go out and graft to put a roof over his wife and kids heads and food on the table
>>80862154
Because I do all of that without lifting a finger. On your dime. Well, not yours.
>>80861885
Because most of the time moving a long distance to find work is impractical, especially if you live in a first world country. There are many people who say they plan on doing it, but very few who actually follow through.
Most occupations and trades are localised. There are very few welders in rural Norway, for example. Professions are a better bet for those wanting to access higher levels of income because they tend to cover a wider area.
>>80855978
> dead end career
> what is passive investing & retiring early
You can make more money in them than a lot of STEM jobs. For example, there are so few carpenters in San Fransisco right now that the average union carpenter makes 200k a year.
>>80857389
>Not as much as a STEM major
Former stem worker here (Network engineer and IT manager). I make more doing air and was paid to learn the trade. Air is tough as fuck work but not only do I make over 70k I can now fix pretty much everything which has saved me a shitload of money.
>>80855978
I runa auto repair from home. I do towing, repair, rebuilding and machine work from my double garage. My average profit is between R12k - R35k depending. I also work between 20 and 50 hours a month.
You keep telling yourself that your cashier job is going to make bank one day.
>>80856399
Yes. Stress, 40-50 hours a week surrounded by retards, unhealthy work environment.
>>80855978
I'm a maintenance man for ford, apart of the uaw. I make $38/hr to wait around if anyone fucks something up. Half the time I'm in my air conditioned office playing on my laptop. The times I do have to work, it's usually something small that takes me a minute. Since I'm out on the plant floor after being done I ride around on my bike for like a hour to see if anything else happens, nothing happens, back to my office. Love my job.
>>80857938
>RPI
hahahahahahahaahaha how unfortunate
>>80862127
No it doesn't it makes you just like everyone else with that same bit of paper and so what if you get paid more if you even managed to get a job that as fuck all to do with the special bit of paper with your name on i will be happy making bank without the debts i have to pay back to some over priced school full of sjw wankers telling you to feel bad about been a white male
>>80862312
>retiring early
>wanting to stop making money earlier
Retard
>>80856526
This.
I know someone who started construction as a grunt working for a boss for 15/hour then 20 then 25.
Picked up the skills then when his boss passed away started his own company
Makes 250K a year now which is not bad and he chooses when to work or not.
This mechanic I know has his own shop and a gas station
Makes over a million a year has multiple homes nice cars boats you name it
It's possible but it takes a lot of self motivation and lot of hours of work something that millennials do not have.
>>80862443
>union
>>80855978
Electrician here, living comfortably on $7800/mo
North America desperately needs tradespeople. We lose out on contracts all the time because we can't guarantee manpower for projects.
>>80855978
Being able to build your own things or repair them instead of paying other people is such a meme.
When this nigger society collapses, having these skills will be invaluable.
>>80862317
>For example, there are so few carpenters in San Fransisco right now that the average union carpenter makes 200k a year.
That's about 750 dollars a day, assuming a five day week. Are you sure that's right?
>>80856671
Are you this dumb to think all trade jobs these days are back breaking like in the old days? Sure some still are but for the most part, tools and technology have changed to make these jobs less stressful on your body. Hell I worked the assembly line helping put together trucks before moving over to the maintenance department. No job was hard, you could listen to the old guys talk about how it was a bitch back in the day, but not anymore.
22 year old trade fag here I drive a end dump and haul gravel and dirt all day $23/hour ~50 hours a week don't work weekends, life is cash
>>80862443
>I'm the first to go if there is a recession.
Good luck with that.
>>80862271
So you have no self respect let me guess your dad wasn't around to teach how to be a man so now you sit at home all day jerking off to jap testicle porn and eating pop tarts
>>80862297
>Because most of the time moving a long distance to find work is impractical, especially if you live in a first world country.
You have this completely wrong.
Living in a first world country makes travel long distances easy.
If you said , "especially if you live in a third world country" you would be correct.
>>80862154
why would you want to destroy your body over the course of 30 years? this fucking 'real men do hard labor' meme is the stupidest shit. labor is for people who are too dumb/lazy to get intelligence-based jobs.
>>80856399
No they are just retards who don't have self control.
Regarding being "unhealthy" they work manual labor jobs so they need calories so they eat like shit but more around more than a desk job so it doesn't necessarily mean they are unhealthy maybe big but their body sees activity.
Like I said in one of my posts the guy who makes 250k a year doesn't smoke, has a beer here or there with dinner and drinks at parties but other wise he stays off that crap
>>80859803
Fuck off communist. No member of the underclass doesn't deserve to be there. Work hard, get a skill, and make good decisions will keep anyone out of poverty.
>>80862649
Yup, would much rather be in my union than not in one in these types of fields. Would you rather be paid $38/hr like me or work in a non union shop making less than half that? The company agrees to everything laid out in the CBA too, it's not like the union has a gun to their head making them sign it. And as as matter of fact, for like the last 12yrs CBA were more in favor of the company and helped them more, still managed to get raises and bonuses out of it, so yeah go bitch about unions without knowing shit.
>>80862698
I've got that figured out, too. I'll just kill myself when that happens. I've already bred, my kids will just have to suffer.
>>80862909
My dad busted his ass as a welder all day every day. Watching him come home from work tired and miserable and covered in burns is what made me decide to liberate myself from the shackles of labor.
Also, pornography is degenerate, and I have no need of pop tarts because my wife cooks me whatever I want. I think for lunch I'll have a margherita made from scratch.
>>80862897
Man I hate driving, no idea how you can do it all day.
>>80862906
>>I'm the first to go if there is a recession.
>Good luck with that.
>Implying they will fire the people who keep the machines, the building systems, etc. running by fixing them when they fail as well as doing preventive maintenance.
how bad is automotive tech?
i wanna learn how to work on cars cause i actually enjoy them. my local community college has a direct program with the bmw dealership and guaranteed job placement.
???
>>80855978
You see the trouble here is your negative attitude
I have a trade
By my forties i want to have a company in my trade
I then want to use money made from my business to buy a house out right which i will rent to people
I will use the money Made from renting out The house and my company to then pay my mortgage off
If i do that early enough or my company goes better than i have planned it to i will aim to buy another house outright to rent
When i want to retire i will cash everything i own in and retire to thailand where my wealth will be worth alot more than it is here and buy my self a wife
I can acheive all that because i have the foundations of having a trade to work with and build up from
Dont moan on 4chan because you have done one thing with your life and think you cant go any higher its not our fault you have limited vision
>>80863064
> WORK WILL SET YOU FREE
>>80863094
You sound like such a fucking dry turd.
>0/10 would not braai with.
>>80862970
I don't have it wrong at all. It's a fact of life, people aren't willing to chase work when they have two kids and a mortgage. It's not viable.
This is one of the reasons the EU's "logic" on free movement of people failed, the overwhelming majority of middle and lower income full time earners in western and northern Europe stayed still. They didn't even move to their own nation's capitals. The only people that did move were the underclasses of Eastern Europe and the rich children of the elites, who swan around from position to position before settling back where they originally came from.
"Get a trade in X" is ridiculous advice unless you know the economy, market and demographics of the area the person lives in because chances are they aren't willing to move out of it.
>>80863202
programming robots to purposefully fuck up the cars you work on would leave too much of a paper trail so i figure we're always going to have human mechanics.
>>80862710
San Francisco is insanely expensive.
>>80863155
Easy money slamming through gears also makes you feel alpha as fuck
>>80863023
My father was an alcoholic for at least 5 years while he was a CFO for a Fortune 500 company making 600-700k a year.
sounds like you're afraid of hardwork.
grown a spine you greasy faggot
>>80863274
I can feel your jealousy from across the ocean. You live in a country full of nigs, are there not enough workers for you to become a NEET?
>>80863064
And you will make connections if you are not retarded and they will get you more jobs if your work is good
>>80863300
>I don't have it wrong at all. It's a fact of life, people aren't willing to chase work when they have two kids and a mortgage. It's not viable.
Bullshit. You must know some real fucking losers because so many people I work with relocate for better job and having modern transportation systems in a first world country makes this easy.
>>80862906
>I talk out my ass without knowing anything.
I keep the plant running, if layoffs are coming I would be the last to leave. And as long as the plant doesn't close (which it wont) I'm not going anywhere. And even if it does? Well I have enough time in to just choose to move to another plant. I'm also 12yrs in at just 31. 8 more years at only 39 I'll be eligible for retirement technically. I'm not worried about shit. Plus there's my 401, Roth ira and my investments. You guys sound like you don't know shit about living in the real world and just live paycheck to paycheck hoping you have a job next week with nothing to fall back on.
>>80856533
>>80856891
Also work in the compressed air industry Its fine. Money is good. Its required for more then people realize. Stay poor Jose.
>>80863202
>how bad is automotive tech?
Its okay but NEVER go work for a dealer anon.
Find a local shop near you, working for a dealer will fuck your long term employment.
>>80863419
>self control
>>80863419
Maybe he should have got into carpentry or running a petrol station as apparently you can do that and make a million dollars a year.
>>80863603
the paperboy trade is where its at my nephew makes seven figures a year
>>80862995
When will this meme that going to university and getting a piece of paper makes you smart and better than the people who dont die 9 times out of 10 the people who pick university are just lazy cunts that dont wanna do a real days work in thier life
>>80863532
You mean in a country where 70% is unemployed? I actually come from a family of craftsman and I am supposed to feel jealous because I am not a NEET? This fucking 2016 mentality.
>>80863546
>the united states of america is the only economic zone in the world
No one on a salary wage suddenly decides to pick up and move somewhere else because they can do a different job there, aside from in your head. They often cannot speak the language (or more than one language), have dependents and have a job that can be done by a local.
The only people moving countries are those at the bottom end and the top end of the job market. The 80 percent in the middle aren't doing so, as they don't want to shovel shit in another country for less money and aren't qualified to be a high earner. Why does this make you incredibly angry?
>>80863808
I sit in an air conditioned six bedroom house all day doing whatever I want. You bust your ass to pay for unemployed blacks and their social programs (I assume).
Which of us has made better life decisions?
>>80863708
Every smart person goes to university. Not everyone that goes to university is smart.
>9 times out of 10 the people who pick university are just lazy cunts that dont wanna do a real days work in thier life
>9 times out of 10
I don't think that's quite right, is it Wayne?
>>80857619
>And how much do you have to pay for a degree
Nothing if you aren't dirt poor.
As for pay, via bls.gov
>Mechanical Engineers: $83,590 per year median pay
>Welders, Cutters, Solderers, and Brazers: $38,150 per year median pay
>>80856940
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF
>>80864000
What a load of rubbish. Some anonymous poster on /pol/ knows a guy that makes 250,000 USD a year putting together furniture. Are you saying that he might be exaggerating slightly?
>>80863708
>lazy cunts that dont wanna do a real days work in thier life
how deliciously lower class of you to think that only manual labor counts as 'real work'
>>80857699
>for 6 figures
Changes everything when you add that part doesn't it retard?
>>80856891
>Tough decision, but there is wrong answer here.
happiness>money
>>80863998
>Every smart person goes to university
come on mate
>>80863950
Ofcourse anon, please dont get all butthurt on me because you have no real world value.
>>80864230
>yes sir mister shekelsburg I'll eat the hot shit from your asshole for six figures
Really makes you think.
>>80864230
There is also the possibility that you are lying.
>>80855978
I know a trades job that has a union some of the welders end up making 100k a year. Wouldnt call that poor.
>>80864278
I know loads of idiots that went to university.
I don't know a single intelligent person under the age of fifty that didn't.
>>80864242
Happiness over money is a stupid meme.
If my job sucks shit and I sit in a boring office all day, but I make $200,000 a year, you can bet your chapped ass I'm going to wake up with a smile on my face.
>>80864314
By all means feel superior. I'll just be over here living a life of luxury and indolence, having lots of kids and basically enjoying myself.
>>80863900
>>the only people moving countries
>says first world country
>now changes it to countries to fit their narrative
Move the goalpost more faggot.
>Why does this make you incredibly angry?
When retards spout out bullshit that is factually wrong and make shit up while using fallacious logic, I get pissed. I hate fucking idiots like you.
>>80856940
>>80859803
>>80860229
How do you think people have been doing it since the beginning of time? How do you think all private trade job companies were founded?
Of course not everyone can do it because most people are lazy retards. But if you are smart and willing to work hard, it's absolutely possible.
The jews are the ones telling you to not try and just be okay as a grunt.
>>80856671
Depends on the trade and how long you are a standard worker. My dad was a welder on naval ships in a port here for 20yrs then left that and now runs his own small boat manufacturing company. My oldest 2 brothers are welders for him and I do business management/marketing.
Its not just about doing all this to make yourself rich. It's about doing it so you can make your family rich. Passing on a great company and good jobs to your family is what raises entire families into the upper class.
Just like trade professionals always have. Teach your trade/business to your kids. Passing on knowledge and letting that knowledge base grow.
>>80864462
Youre an idiot if you truly think so.
This is why Americans are so unhappy.
A park ranger will enjoy his job much more, than an office stooge making 100k.
Its simple m8. You spend most of your time at your job.
Why would money somehow change that?
>>80855978
A guy who did welding for military shit was able to retire at his late twenties early thirties
Just welding period gets you good money
>>80864488
By all means feel free, don't let me stop you sir. Tell me, while you are living in your palace of hubris, do you actually contribute in any way positively to people?
>>80864823
I give meaning to people's work. I really couldn't be here without you all :)
>>80864412
And is that supposed to mean they don't exist?
>>80855978
I'm guessing you're one of the morons that fell for the computer science meme. Enjoy being replaced by an H1B
>>80864754
Because it all works out when I get payed. Money is what makes the world go round.
Remember that.
>>80860775
You absolutely do not make that much money in the U.S. on financial aid
Why lie on the internet?
>>80864172
Go on then m8 educate me what does count as real work?
Why doesn't /pol/ just enter a half-STEM trade, like law or political science?
>>80855978
Do welding/ metal fab.
Work for myself.
4 days a week if I feel like it.
Take orders from no one.
Don't take any job I don't feel like doing.
Work lined up for next 3 months.
Collection of vintage guitars and collection of Harleys.
Feels good man.
>>80864969
They raise your pay every time you have a kid.
>>80856671
Why because he actually exercises instead of sitting on his fat ass at a computer desk for 8hrs a day 5 days a week? lol you guys are so fucking delusional
>>80855978
Even if all you said was true those jobs are still necessary for a society to function, so are useful no matter where or when you are.
>>80862710
Union Carpenter, San Jose.
Foreman $50 an hour with a total package around $70 an hour with vacation pay, and 401k etcetera.
Anything over 8 hours a day is time and a half, anything over 10 hours is doubletree.
All day Saturday is time and a half, with doubletree after 8 hours. All day Sunday and holidays are doubletime.
Do the math.
My brother worked 7-12s back in the 90s in Las Vegas replacing ceiling tiles in the MGM Grand. Back then journeyman was only about $30 an hour, not $50, and he was taking home $4k a week.
>>80864941
>money makes the world go round
>so sitting in an office your entire life makes you happier
No wonder.
>>80864901
I dont mean giving work, I am contributing where it counts. I dont pay taxes, but I take 14% from my income and donate it to orphanages, old person homes and some local charities. I dont feel superiour for doing it, but somebody has to help while the rest of the people sit in a airconditioned home with their home made margarita.
>>80856671
Yeah, physical activity way better than sitting on your ass all day behind a desk.
BTW I'm 50 an. 190lbs. of muscle at 6ft.
>Just want to work on cars
>Buy an old junker 240sx and start replacing shit on that
>Go to autobody trade school
>Pay 5K
>Cert isn't worth the paper it's printed on because not ASE cert
>No shop will hire me
>Even shops with now hiring
>Buy up older shitted up econo sedans
>Replace a CV joint here, a hood there, sell them at a profit
>Shops still won't hire me
>Not enough """Experience"""
how about you experience me coming by at 2AM and emptying out my waste oil into your parking lot you baby boomer fuck.
>>80864941
Yeah, some people just have life all made out for them. They can actually enjoy everything that's set up for them and they don't have to have a care in the world.
What kind of insecure cunt are you that you have to come on here and shit over how other people make their living? You're not even self made or have had to do any particular bit of hard work, and you think you have the right to shit over other people's way of life? Seriously mate, come on
Fucking daddy's boy thinks he knows how the world works lmao
>>80856671
My grandpa has asbestosis along with another lungdisease and he's pushing 74 this year.
>>80855978
>mfw wastewater treatment plant operator making bank
college is a scam
>>80864754
what if the office stooge likes what he does? you just automatically assume that people who work in offices are mindless drones and that people who work labor are red-blooded aryan white males who love life
>>80859903
I would like to purchase 3 thoughts please
>>80855978
>trade jobs
>Slaving over hot metal all day
I became a Programmer by going to a trade school and now I work for Siemens.
>>80855978
I work a trade job. Database Administrator. Make 80k/yr to write scripts. Self taught, no student loan debt. Have consistently moved upwards every 2 years. Not far from becoming a BI admin, then the cash will start really coming in.
>>80865299
Only a wageie could construe something as stupid as working for free as a good thing.
>>80865309
its not the 50's anymore. experience is standardized because of how many people there are lined up for the same job as you. if you don't want to play the game right don't get pissy if no one wants to hire you.
Trade jobs are fine in your 20s and 30s. They really start to suck in your 50s. All of my uncles and my friend's parents that worked in blue collar jobs were fucked up physically by the time they reached retirement age.
>>80856526
>this is what underage children actually believe
most trades have average salaries of 40k or so even in decent areas.
enjoy earning bitch money until you "start your own business", and by then enjoy working 70 hour weeks to what basically equates to the same basic wage with simply more hours/jobs (if youre lucky).
>>80860168
>But I'm going to tell you what to weld and that's what counts.
no you wont because thats not how it works and Im not even a welder you clueless faggot. Have fun getting bullied at the work site all day and getting nothing done because no one will respect you.
>>80865309
It's all about who you know, especially in trades.
In air if you know anyone then you're in and once you're in you can pretty much work at whatever shop you want, whenever you want. Literally have had over 22 job offers in the past year for air alone, even got job offers to go back to IT, one for roofing, 1 for sales, it gets stupid when you're in.
>>80855978
My cousin is a mechanic and makes 100k a year. So no not all trades are 'poor'. Also I would chose to be self employed and poor over employed and enslaved to a corporate master any day.
>>80863998
>Living off my parents
Enjoy being the last of your bloodline dude.
All jobs are meme jobs
I say this as someone who has done a bit of fucking everything and they're all shit
I have no idea how some people can stick in one job for more than a couple years without going insane.
>>80855978
>muh STEM
fuck off, fag. STEM is the biggest meme career path in existence, trades are based and actually force you to work instead of sitting at a table all day. faggots like you are the reason our economy sucks, we've created a stigma around tradeswork and manufacturing
>>80865717
>Also I would chose to be self employed and poor over employed and enslaved to a corporate master any day.
>inslaved to corporate masters
>can quit at any time
why do you guys make shit up to feel better about not getting modern jobs?
>>80865787
Come home, wageslave.
>>80865638
>most trades have average salaries of 40k or so even in decent areas.
I don't know anyone making that little in any trade outside of first year carpenters.
>>80855978
>Unions
How about no.
I'm getting my bachelors only because I have a GI Bill. If i had to pay for it myself there's no fucking way I'd waste my time getting a degree. I'd go to welding school or something and make a lot more than some lab rat stem faggot.
What's the difference between a welfare queen and a NEET?
>>80865878
After working full time at various jobs for over a decade I've just decided I'll never find enjoyment in any job, so now I just work 20hrs a week unloading trucks at a store and living in my small apartment. I have no need for more
>>80865282
Money makes me happy. Therefore I will endure a shit job to make good money. That's how sacrifice works.
>>80865339
>T. Unemployed welder
Those in high towers can only look down if they want to see others, whether those in the mud like it or not.
>>80863603
It's called owning properties on top of it you retard.
But you fucking dumb ass don't think about have other businesses streaming from it
>>80866251
>Money makes me happy
>>80855978
>>Slaving over hot metal all day
There are a range of trade jobs you know
>>lolcertslol
There are certifications for blue collar jobs too
>>choosing to be poor
Nope
>>dead end career- enjoy doing that for the rest of your life
Except unlike white collar jobs YOU get to decide when you're ready to move up the ladder
>>no upward mobility
There is, I make lots of money working as a mechanic, so I buy a new machine that makes me even more money.
Isn't that upward mobility?
>>no degree
It all comes down to the shekels in the end, degree or not
>>not even STEM
And?
>>80864462
But what is the point of getting $200k, really? I don't mean to sound like a hippy, but there really is very little point
>muh big house
Been there. It's useless
>muh fancy car
Why? Who gives a shit
Not to say everyone should just live with nothing but a hut and food, but I see no point in having that much
>>80865463
Database administration is going dodo. Everyone is working to automate that shit.
Career welder here, don't fall for the meme. The amount of people in this industry that make the big bucks is actually a very small percentage. Those who get on the high paying jobs are in a "clique" and each sect has it's own clique, like shut downs, pipeline, shipyard, etc... If you're not apart of these cliques due to blood relation or close friendship you're not getting into, which means you'll make about $40,000/yr at best working in nasty sweaty fab shops. Go do something else pls. The skills gap shortage is a trade school lie. Don't be a good goy.
>>80866257
This. I'm looking to rent out an old fixer upper house bought at an auction and I have a small brokerage account for some extra income. Maybe I'll just keep buying property at auction and sell it like a small scale Trump (pbuh).
>>80858123
That sounds fun though, familam. And interesting. Plus you'd become a god amongst the pavement apes or put a target on your back when inevitable hapoenings happen.
The king doesnt work. Why would I?
There's a meme in society of some kind of entrepreneurial post-capitalist industrial-scientific "productivity" thing, and they are expressing the meme because they are demi-conscious memebuoys floating on a slurry sea of currents you can only see if you zoom out
It's exhausting even trying to give an answer to this question. You need to like phenomenologically bracket every single word and write a book explaining that they aren't even people. They aren't even conscious. They aren't even having "opinions". STEM people are like robots with human skin stretched over them. To say "they are dismissive of the humanities" is implicitly to admit I think there's a "they". STEM people don't even fucking exist. They are a statistical gaseous nebula of random particles wafting across continents and periodically expressing junk they picked up along the way. Why would you even talk to them?
Talking to a STEMfag is literally like being some kind of Buddha, ascending reality, then coming back down and talking to bees who were dudes in past lives. I'm sure these bee niggas can be saved or whatever, but let's just wait until they're back in human form. Don't walk around going "BEES, STOP BUZZING, PUT DOWN THAT POLLEN, LISTEN TO ME ABOUT HOW EVERY CONCEPTUAL CATEGORY YOU HAVE FOR EVEN THINKING OF THINGS WAS SHAPED FOR YOU BY AN UNCONSCIOUS SLUDGE OF MEMETIC POLYALLOY THAT FLOWS IN PREDICTABLE CURRENTS FROM YEAR TO YEAR THROUGH THE HIVE IN WHICH YOU WERE CONCEIVED"
>Be me
>Like wrenching on my car in HS
>Goto trade school
>Be ASE Mechanic
>Make $70k/yr
>10 years pass
>Sick of job, boring and dead end
>Sick of other mechanics BS
>Sheeiiiiittt, WTF did I do?!?
>Back to school
>>80866514
>I see no point in having that much
Because I can buy Luxury items and afford to go on vacations.
>>80867170
So can I :^)
>>80866947
That's because you are more suited to prepping bulls.
>>80866853
I had a discussion about investing into properties with a friend of mine.
If you know what you are doing and can do a good job. Buying a house for 200K that is run down fixing it good then selling it for 700K is worth it. '
Of course you have to put in about 50K into materials to fix the entire home.
If you know what you are doing you can flip houses easily. Also take in account the housing market in your area
>>80863094
T. Tyrone DaQuesh
>tfw making 6 figures doing trades while STEM babbies in a flooded job market cling to their college debt and worthless degrees
topkek
>>80867269
shut up ahmed
>>80867324
I'm whiter than you; my skin barely sees the toxic rays of the sun. Enjoy your melanoma.
>>80867170
What kind of luxury items?
You also don't need to have $100k to go on vacations
I make much much less and am able to just fine
>>80867083
>demi-conscious memebuoys floating on a slurry sea of currents you can only see if you zoom out
are these the infernal scrawlings of a madman?
>>80867414
>living off of welfare and having lots of kids
>not a nigger
>>80855978
Stonemason here.
My liver is shit desu senpai
Alright let's shift the discussion a wee bit
What should someone do if they're too stupid for STEM but also don't want to bust ass at a trade job?
Get a meme degree and cozy office job?
>>80867285
You can buy shitty brick houses in North Carolina for under a 100K. Just gotta keep on the lookout for foreclosures. I love carpentry and the like, I've built a few houses. Maybe I could do it in addition to work. I'm taking some econ classes this fall to learn more about it before I start blowing cash.
>>80862621
>wanting to slave away for as many years as possible just to have more numbers your bank statement.
Yeah, you are the real retard
>>80867511
See what? It's a complete bullshit post.
>>80867535
It's alright that you're jealous of my lavish lifestyle. If I were in your position I would be, too. But the difference, my dear friend, is that you try to work with the system, while I make the system work for me. There are plenty of blacks and mexicans to do the labor -- why should I, as a superior breed, break my back to pay for their welfare? If anything, good sir, wageslaves are the real niggers, as they are too stupid to game the system for themselves.
>not even STEM
Im finishing an ECE degree and there are literally plummers making more than the majority of my colleagues that have already finished it.
OP took an huge blue pill up his ass, given by the baby boomers.
>>80867607
>too stupid for stem
sounds like you're just lazy.
>>80867649
Yeah I live in the tri state close to nyc so shit houses are like 300k.
>>80866251
Nah, I'm not even planning on going into the trades. I just know that you're a daddy's boy who's never had to work for anything in his life, and somehow think that gives him the right to shit all over people that have worked harder to get less just because of their lot in life. I know that you'll probably never live up to your father, and I know that people that have actually had to work harder and have gotten farther look down on your pathetic ass just as you look down on people that are actually worth a shit.
Wow, funny that huh? It's almost like nothing you say matters because in the end we're all at some spot on the ladder and it doesn't matter what others think or do. But here you are, talking big because your pride was wounded and you can't man up and get over whatever it is that's bothering your prickly ass so much.
>>80867798
I'm not talking about me
I just work at a store part time and am fine with it. Although I do know for a fact there's no way I'd get into STEM kek
Jesus, all of these children and their pissing contests. None of you are better than the other, we're all on this shitty website so yeah, we're all on the same level of pathetic.
>>80867776
>*plumbers
>>80867083
Schizophrenia anon is that you?
Do you still take DPH every day?
Not gonna read all the Amerifat bs but its a mixed option in the UK.
>Work exclusively with working class people and chads, almost no will have any schooling past 16.
>"Education" will generally be sub-minimal wage literally £3-4 an hour college courses for a couple of years
>Work cash in hand or in a small business for a below median salary
>Do a higher risk trade job that will likely land you with no progression past the age of 30 and you traded cash for destroying your body
>Have to work long tiring hours rather than a comfy job
>People look down on you, as someone on the middle+ area of middle class my family would be upset if i took that path, its almost an impossibility from social pressure for anyone in the top 50% of the class and middle class and above.
If you own a small business involved with trade you will earn a fair amount of money more than average maybe top 25% but its hard work (have an uncle who owns a property development company).
If you take a specialized route then you might do pretty well also.
The vast majority of trade jobs in the UK though are decent starting salary but barely above the median and have little progression. I have no idea where this "be a welder make 200k" meme comes from it literally doesn't exist here. Either way these underwater rig welders would be salty as fuck if everyone went into their niche.
>>80867873
I'm on a level above the rest of you (^:
>lunch
>>80856526
Electrician here. There will always be work unlike many jobs that require degrees. 30+ dollars an hour to tell an apprentice what to do is peanuts.
>>80857569
This is literally who is posting all these stem memes
Also, not every type of workplace is a fucking assembly line, and not all companies do the same type of work/product for long periods of time.
>my fucking robots
>>80867761
>Superiority complex
>not a nigger
OK, Tyrone.
>>80868061
>tfw my grandpa plays golf with the man who started Alexander Electric Co.
Wew, apprenticeship here I cum. How hard is it being an electrician? I just need to do something with my life so I don't care if it's boring.
>>80868194
>jealous of my success
>not a nigger
>>80855978
>choosing to be poor
you're doing it wrong
I work at a paint store part time and some of these contractors that come in have multiple sports cars, huge luxury trucks, thriving businesses and they seem pretty fucking happy to be putting in a days work.
>>80855978
>choosing to be poor
>working a non union job
You did this to yourself. Some people also love trade jobs like weldijg or carpentry, i know i do as hobby and would rather be in carpentry than software dev. Not to mention making 6 figurea is worthless unless you have somethijg to spend it on, almost all of my money goes in the bank because i have so few bills to pay and my hobbies are cheap.
>>80868177
Yes but brick and mortar stores are falling to the likes of Amazon and eBay. The only reason Walmart still exists is because the majority of their business is groceries, not so much physical goods anymore.
If Walmart was still physical goods and not food...yeah. They wouldn't be around,
>>80867728
>implying
>>80868165
This is literally 90% of 4chan
>>80868464
>being unable to read emotion
>not a nigger
>>80867607
>degree
Just go straight to a McJob.
>27 year old neet living with my mother
>Dropped out of university after 4 years of electrical engineering
>Massive autist who no one in their right mind would ever hire
I'm not going to make it, am I?
I just had an interview with Starcucks for my plan B job. I'll use the free online school to get a second bachelor's for free, and work from there.
Later today I have an interview with a bread factory. Starts at $15/hour, with lot's of hours, and solid benefits. Hoping to land it.
Ashamed to say I'll be needing to use synthetic urine for my drug trust. I've been clean for 3 weeks, but I was a heavy smoker and sadly urine tests really give marijuana users a tough time. I can't risk failing.
Really, I know the labs don't care, and it is just another money making scheme... but still annoying to live in a country where media and celebrities encourage marijuana use, while regular people are still treated like criminals a month after cessation.
>>80868787
>Really, I know the labs don't care
What do you mean?
>>80868890
They make money, that's all they care about.
