What if China went to war with USA? They spend a lot on military and are almost on par with burgers economically. Don't forget burgers have a lot of debt to China.
Nukes, either one country gets annihilated to the point they can't retaliate or both countries get annihilated.
And debt doesn't work that way. Absolute debt doesn't matter as long as interest payments are made.
The Chinese government is retarded. There are a lot of Chinese people living abroad in the West.
They must have found the sunken ruins of Atlantis, they are taking the territory over in force.
Yeah they are going to fight anymore who wants to know what's in that ocean because there is definitely something.
Also consider the Chinese Russian alliance. The US is a super power but they are trying to project authority across oceans upon different continents against other super powers.
I say the US should worry about oceans surrounding the north and South American land mass.
>>80773802
>>80773874
They also don't have national problems like BLM
>>80774542
They definitely have their own problems.
Most Chinese people are trying to leave anyway, let them have their ocean and play soldier.
Also Russia. Russia remains absent.
>>80774870
Because they're well over 1.2 billion, that's 4 times your population.
Open your borders and we'll help you out, gringo.
>>80774979
They can mobilize a land army of 150 million foot soldiers. Their claims can be defended from the coast as China is like a massive aircraft and cruise missile carrier by itself.
>>80773215
Take nukes out kf the picture and their Navy would be absolutely annihilated by the American navy in months.
Once that's done the waiting game is played and eventually losses.
America has plenty of options of nearby Allies to allow for direct land invasion in needed.
Without a massive Navy capable of securing the Pacific in its entirety the Chinese have no means to attack us directly with ground troops making a win impossible for them.
>>80774979
Numbers don't mean that much in modern warfare especially endless waves of gruntsthat can be taken out with one airstrike
China does not have the global military capabilities that the United States does.
In fact... no nation on earth does...
We could launch an attack on all sides of China and box them in.
>>80773215
>dump all US treasory bonds
>us bankrupt overnight
>problem solved
>>80775305
And china losses*
>>80775305
You can't defeat them either in a ground war, they always buy the latest technologies
Russia. Don't forget Russia. While you focus on that bait Russia can kick our ass. USA can't beat either China and Russia without steep cost and can't beat the both of them together.
Geez do you even Art of Warfare?
>>80774979
You're a dumb ass gypo arnt ya?
75% of China's population are 3rd world farmers living in the hills and they hate the fucking Chinese government.
>>80775439
what the actual fuck do you know about modern warfare? All the West has been doing since the 1960's was conducting low level counter-sandnigger operations. We don't know what would happen in any major Great Power war in 2016. For all we know one semi-sophisticated anti-ship missile is enough to threaten a fleet.
>>80775546
The United States has a two decade advantage against all nations when it comes to technology...
>>80773874
>Also consider the Chinese Russian alliance
There is no such thing. We will both fuck each other over at the first opportunity.
>>80773215
In a short scale war, Americans would win due to far superior tech and training.
However, if the war extended for a longer period of time, America's chances to win would steadily decrease over time due to how reliant on China's industry America is and if they got cut off from it it would cause all sorts of problems back home. It would basically be Pacific war 2.0 with USA on the reverse side
>>80775736
Boris pls. I am a smart cookie.
>>80775687
Okay and China hasn't been fighting anyone.
China hasn't fought a major war in a few 100 years...
>>80775157
look at saddam and his army numbers mean shit
Japan would get rekt by medium range ballistic missiles it's densely populated target rich environment.
>>80775603
Vietnam was 100% 3rd world farmers
>>80775711
Not true America always buys military tech from Europe and Israel you almost never make anything new
>>80775589
t, ignorant burger
>>80775687
desert storm was a massive operation and saddam had a huge army.
Then there's the Falklands war.
>>80775736
This.
Russia and China are not allies. They only work together some times just to piss us off but both nations know that if the US is gone , then they will be the next rivals and they are fucking neighbors...
China and Russia would try and fuck each other if given the opportunity.
>>80775962
Not an argument.
>>80775753
I'm sure the US could industrialize pretty quick. We only rely on China because it's cheaper, not because we can't do it ourselves.
>>80775753
China has the latest military tech too and they train probably more than Americans because they're so many some of them only do that all their lifes
>>80775753
you don't have a basic understanding of American manufacturing for advanced (shit you need in war) tech. Plus China would have to deal with Japan, Tiawan, s Korea and Australia in addition to the USA
>>80775962
China and US fighting is a huge opportunity for Russia as the 3rd super power.
>>80775927
Did you not fucking listen to what I said?
The 3rd world farmers won't fight for China. They fucking hate the Chinese government.
> You buy technology from Europe
You are spewing bullshit out of your gypo ass.
>>80776008
You are a major threat for both. If anything a alliance between them is possible until they destroy you then they can kill each other
>>80776047
your argument isnt an argument
>>80775809
I mean it. Russians don't like China. We were forced to work with them because we're the only somewhat relevant contrarian countries but the moment we have an opportunity to jump the ship and make profit out of it we will do it.
>>80774979
Nigger, numbers haven't meant anything since WWI
>>80776211
Your army is half spics and niggers, Chinese soldiers have outnumbered you already, the farmers are civilians. If there's someone who wouldn't fight for their country that's America
>>80776215
You are seriously a fucking dumb ass.
China and Russia do not have the military capabilities to launch an invasion on the United States. The only thing they could do is defend against us...
This thread is full of idiots who don't know anything.
Go die you gypsy nigger.
>>80776052
are you fucking retarded we are industrialized we're one of the largest producers of shit. We just don't make cheap consumer goods but capital equipment
>>80776211
every american company is based off bae systems and that company is literally british mate
>>80775809
It's true, besides if we get Trump elected we can be friends with Russia again.
>>80776407
76% of the US military is non-hispanic Caucasian.
You are just talking out of your ass because you're a dumb ass 3rd world gypo
>>80776432
Who said they would launch a defensive? Fucking with your troops in Europe would be enough to anger you and get you on their land. Also China can destroy you economically, you have so much debt to them
Murica can borrow our god-tier SAS, leading to instant Chinese surrender.
>>80776432
not an argument
>>80773215
Does being in debt mean anything if the debtors go to word with the ones they owe debt to?
>>80776008
Russia is responsible for the whole communist ordeal in china.
I would never forget any country for kickstarting communism in my country.
Looking at you, united states. Looking real hard at you.
>>80776534
it's called NATO dumb shit, we spread production across countries on purpose
>>80776712
Yes because China buys more than it sells, they can fuck your economy and crush the dollar
>>80776215
>You are a major threat for both.
are you the gypsy john mccain or something
if it weren't for Obama we would be on pretty good terms with Russia right now
China is a fuckin puffer fish, all talk and no walk, their country is a shit heap outside of hong kong
>>80776748
communism is started by the germans actually
Is it sad that I really don't care any more
Wipe me off the face of the earth
>>80776800
nato is defense treaty you dumb fuck, half of the nato members rely on russian equipment retard
>>80776874
The US has agents in brazillian soil right now stirring shit up.
I'm not complaining about some intellectual in buttfuck nowhere that created a new brand of theft and genocide.
don't be silly OP. both have nuclear triad.
>>80773802
There won't be a war important enough to use nukes. Nukes are only an option if the existence of a nation or its people are at serious risk.
Future wars between modern nations, such as China and USA, will not be fought like WW2 wars. WW2 was total war, all out, two systems battling for supremacy, winner takes all.
The next wars will be more like 17th or 18th century wars. Military campaigns for control over territory or political concessions.
Stuff that decides the power and influence a nation can keep or gain, but not life threatening.
In that light, a war between China and the US would most likely be waged over control of the oceans and islands in Asia.
China is the regional power. It's only sensible for them to push out US and Japanese influence.
Considering that, China should have the upper hand when it comes to gaining and keeping control. Their nation is right there, next to the theater of war. While the US would have to use bases in foreign nations and ship their soldiers and supplies over the ocean.
China also doesn't need to do a lot to win, actually. As soon as they have military bases up and running, they can just prolong the war half heartedly. It's going to be way more costly for the US than for China.
So yeah...a real conflict between the US and China? China wins, but only because China has no interest in starting a conflict it's going to lose.
Plus the US has no feasible way to win such a war. What is the US going to do? Invade mainland China? Throw bodies at chinese military bases and fortifications, lose ships against local chinese air superiority/ anti-ship missiles.
China can take those losses as long as they remain in control of those islands, which they will.
The end result will likely be a loss of influence in Asia by the US. China will become the truly dominant power in that part of the world.
The US will still be top dog, just like Rome and the Parthers.
>>80776859
Russia never liked you, NATO made it worse and that would happen without Obama too
Straight fight? As in no holding back? Mutual assured destruction
War with no nukes? USA wins easy, until China decides to cheat & nuke
Pure economic war? USA wins easy, until China decides to cheat & nuke
Ideology war? As in more BLM/ refugee crises? USA has advantage, but small chance to be spun into civil war and China wins
>>80777212
it's all fun and games until somebody uses a tactical nuke. US wouldn't risk escalation.
>>80777527
US has a lot of debt to China. They can crash their economy
China can be blockaded. They might be able to feed themselves if they reform their shitty agricultural system, but it would make it hard for them to mobilize the full capability of their industry.
Of course, that depends on overland routes not popping up after the island building projects.
Regardless, what America has going for it is the ability to produce massive amounts of food. Industrialized farming yields have been legislatively reduced to manage land and maintain high prices. We have the infrastructure in place to kick it into high gear and start producing wealth if we had to, hence the GM/ bank bailouts.
We might get our asses kicked when china fucks our networks, which will fuck our service sectors. But, actually, they'd be doing us a favor, because when it comes to a fight for resources, which is what the war will be about anyway, we could easily live without our macdonalds and shopping malls. The workforce can be shifted to material production and military training.
Thats assuming we dont just throw missiles at each other, which isnt likely becuase the outcome wouldnt be favorable for anyone.
tl;dr China can be starved, total war would be stupid.
>>80773215
Not really. They only have 1 carrier which is small and old as hell and are trying to build another. Equipment and military wise, we'd crush them easily. The real problem is getting a good leader who will allow our military to go all out. So if Trump gets in for example, we'll see that kind of power unleashed. But...... that's IF he gets in. Goddamn it I hope he wins.
>>80777709
They have more tanks and 5 time more labour force
>>80776079
China is at least 20 years behind in air and naval tech, probably closer to 30. They don't even have a joint command setup, their branches can't effectively communicate with each other.
>>80773215
they are not evenly matched.... USA have a monstrous naval capacity.
China never could dream match in less than two decades.
>china going to war with their biggest market
Not a chance. They love the dumb americans always buying their shitty consumer goods.
>>80778095
Source?
>>80778047
What are tanks going to do on the ocean? This would be a primarily naval war if it happened.
>>80778217
no it won't
>>80778149
That's less than half of thir GDP. China imports more from America than it exports to it. If America ended the game they'd be the one who get hurt the most. China sells shit to the whole world not only America.
>>80778217
Ignore this idiot he's shitposting with so much misinformation, he acts like China owning 5% of the US debt is a lot, or that in the event of a war, they could do anything with that debt.
>>80777212
>thinking anyone will use bullets in a modern war
Nope
It will all be electronic
It will all be economic
China can fuck most of the world with its economic might and legion of hackers. Its been attacking western companies for years via hacking and no one can do shit about it
China would drag North Korea and Southeast Asian countries into the war. Russia wouldn't bother.
China has too much of a population (1.2 B) and conscription and their military gear certainly better than the ones we fought in the Middle East.
The only way US can compete is through Conscription of every young adult male in the nation.
>>80778302
Where do you suppose those tanks will be fighting?
>>80773215
>What if China went to war with USA? They spend a lot on military and are almost on par with burgers economically.
No, they're not, you fucking retard. They're a third world country. Their GDP is smaller than America's, and when you consider the fact that they have 1.3 billion people compared to the US 300 million, you can see how poor they really are.
They're also far behind the west in just about every other category as well, and would be utterly annihilated in a war with the US, assuming we rule out nuclear weapons.
>>80778440
China buys more than it sells, they can crush US economy.
>>80775493
We would eliminate their trade and industry in a single night too, its mutually assured destruction there
![J-20-2001-11-composite-highlights[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sVjqp7D.jpg "J-20-2001-11-composite-highlights[1].jpg")
>>80778163
Its common knowledge that the chinese have been stealing tech from american contractors.
>>80778419
Having more ships won't help you much as the main battlefield would be in east asia, close to them. Japan would have annihilated you with a small navy it if wasn't for nukes. But this time China has nukes too so those won't save you again
>>80778749
They also bought tech from Europe like you did
>>80778399
you believe your government already don't thing in this? they have something for sure, nuclear arsenal ts not the more nasty arsenal humans can do.
in case of a conflict, no china no russia and of course no USA will win that is sure.
>>80775305
The US could simply starve them out. Destroy their navy, and you control most of the trade. Bomb their rice fields and their power plants and cut off their supplies. A nation of 1.3 billion would crumble and starve in no time.
>>80778399
Yea because its not like we have the most advanced military technology in the world or anything. We would destroy any ship or plane trying to make it here before they even got half way. Their population means absolutely nothing
>>80778749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNobp7OnlJw
ba.... USA do exactly the same on the 1900s, agasin england. this is just history repeating himself.
>>80778937
You don't. You only buy tech from Europe and Israel, never make your own
>what are logistics
Uncle Sams Canoe Club has more logistic might then the entire chinese military.
>>80775927
>Vietnam was 100% 3rd world farmers
The US won every battle, and had a 20:1 kill ratio. The US strategy was never designed to win the war to begin with, because conquering North Vietnam would mean China would get involved. They were meant to stop the spread of communism.
If the US had launched a full scale invasion, they would have taken Vietnam in a matter of months.
The level of ignorance that people have regarding the Vietnam War is staggering.
>>80778552
Are you just stringing together random words and pretending you're making an argument?
>>80778749
sorry forgot to finish, it may look like our plane, but they cant fly it without the metallurgy necessary to make reliable engine.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-military-engines-idUSKCN0V7083
>>80779156
Source?
>>80779053
You realize in the next 10 years, China will have over 500 million people over the age of 60, right? They're going to get hit harder than the US will with the aging baby boomers, thanks to their 1 child policy. They have 1 kid to pay for 4 grandparents
>>80778758
> Japan would have annihilated you with a small navy it if wasn't for nukes.
What? Why the fuck do you keep spewing this shit if you know absolutely nothing about history? Jesus...
>>80779433
He's either a chink or a russian on a proxy, he just hates america and is shitposting about them, ignore him.
>>80778552
With what? Their currency isnt backed up by gold, its backed by US dollars. If the west pulls out China is rioting in under a month. Whens the last time you bought a chinese anything? Theyre western owned companies who contract in china for cheap labour and lax pollution laws.
>>80779053
lol you're fucking delusional. Stay jealous faggot
>>80779303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_destroy
>>80778163
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning
great for amusement parks
>>80779349
In 10 years you will over 50% niggers and spics, they can always repeal the 1 child/family law once their population has decreased sufficiently
>>80773215
>USA nukes all of China's major cities
>Split it with Russia 50/50 after
>World peace
That's it.
>>80773215
why would they need to go to war when all you need is 1 more financial break down and it will push the land of the burgers to go into default and end everything? I mean there were almost no new laws to stop the banks from doing anything different after 2008 bail out and shillary said she will rip up even more financial laws than Bill did when he was king of the burgers back in the 90s, it's just the last nail in the coffin that MURRICA needed for game over. All China need to do is help push them just a little by making the burgers taking more risk
>>80779156
and they failed to stop a reunited communist vietnam. at the cost of 50,000 dead and god knows how many millions of $. sounds like a failure to me.
>>80778749
China among other actors have been known to purchase drones (and other aircraft) shot down in the mideast. Reverse engineer that shit and it's easy pickings.
>>80779550
Import to export rate is higher for China-America. If they cut you down your interest rates would blow up over night
if we struck first and killed top party leaders they wouldn't know what to do and start fighting with themselves, then we just do nothing as their house of shit collapses
>>80779641
>carrying capacity
>36 aircraft/rotary
>>80779609
What a stupid policy.
>>80780100
Good pseudoscience. Just you have same grade air force and slightly better navy in raw numbers but a weaker ground force.
>>80773215
Literally nothing would happen. Here's the problem:
1. USA has had the most powerful navy since WW1 after the world powers blew theirs up and the UK fucked with our navy too much during the Civil War. The Constitution doesn't even have provisions for an army in peace, but it has a shitload of metrics for navies. China does not have a gnat's chance in hell of destroying the US Navy to the point of ineffectiveness.
2. Without naval or air superiority the Chinese cannot hope to ever invade the mainland US as the US can reinforce Wake Island, Guam and Hawaii and project power across the Pacific.
3. There is no way possible the US ground forces can successfully invade China and win. China has terrible logistical issues but that won't matter fighting outside of it's border and while the US has more tanks and AFVs, China has more artillery, unguided launch systems, and a wall of light mechanized infantry in a mountainous terrain that would allow that artillery to fire to devastating effect by acting as a meatshield.
In the end, China would technically lose as the US has the ability to force project troops around their borders and every bomb that falls on Chinese soil is more than what would fall on the States, but I highly doubt the US has the willpower or the skill to successfully take and occupy Chinese land for any length of time and the mechanized numbers are too close to rely on US tech superiority.
As the Chinese have shown with their economy, industrialization, and methods of warfare over the past century casualty numbers are just a statistic, and the American people have never, ever had the stomach for total war with massive casualties with the Chinese would happily bring and pay for.
>>80773215
China is barely keeping order among their 1.3 billion citizens. They have one party. When things are fucked up they take all the blame. I've lived there for 2 years and I can assure you they are busy keeping order.
A war with us would trigger a civil war inside China. They can't fight both. They can only posture and cyber war us.
>>80778843
And from hillary.
>>80780453
Who said they would invade you? They have a lot more ground force and about the same airforce. Navy isn't everything, remember ww2 when Japan would have destroyed you if you didn't use nukes but that won't work this time because China has nukes too. Your navy is only superior in raw numbers, but it's the same grade tech as china or lower because you buy tech from Europe and Israel and never make your own
For starters, China doesn't stand a chance of setting foot in the United States. The war would be specifically in China and the South China Sea. Presumably over Taiwan, or perhaps after a war declaration of China against the Philippines.
Philippines and Japan are so close politically to America that I would count them in as defacto allies in any realistic war scenario set in the present. If you then account America's own military power, you have a China that is clearly military outmatched 4-to-1 or something to that respect.
However, there are several reasons why the United States couldn't hope to remotely attempt such a war. The biggest is that America imports most of their goods from China, and attacking China would drastically increase prices and cost of living, which in turn would make the war FAR more unpopular than usual, and thus in turn damage the image of the political party in power AND put a set timer on how long America can get involved. If you then add the elite's investments in China, you have a country that has no interest in going to war, long or short term.
The second reason is that America is also spread thin around the world, and would risk losing important objectives, if it were to mobilize in full force against China. America can't really risk things like Russia deciding to fully annex all of Ukraine, Afghanistan falling into Taliban hands again, or a second "Arab Spring" turning more "allies" into anti-American Theocracies or Civil War zones.
However, America has much greater political power. So they are likely to bring in allies like India and Australia to their side. Heavily turning the balance in their favor, thus making it also smarter for China to wait out for the long game, eroding the trust of other countries in America while growing economically larger itself. You have a "Colder War" scenario.
>>80780651
BLM and feminism are bigger problems not to say half of your military are niggers and spics. If someone has a problem inside that's you
>>80780805
You are delusional. Japan lost its navy long before the bombs fell.
>>80781136
Their airforce cleared you from the sea
>>80773215
China's economy revolves entirely around the usa. They are the current location of cheap labor the usa 's consumer crap is made. Before that it was korea, taiwan, and japan. Next will come India and Bangladesh I imagine. Picture it like this: china's economy looks good like a rich kids finances look good. But in the end, it's dad who is making them look good financially.
As for militarily: lmao. No. Not even. England and France have more effective militaries than china. Maybe someday, but not now.
>>80775305
>direct land invasion in needed.
good luck. you'll need god-tier tech or 4 times more numbers of foot soldiers to win an offensive.
>>80781327
You have more debt to them than your country is worth. They buy more than sell too. China can crash you economically
>>80781288
Jesus. You have nothing to back that up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa
>>80775822
>american education
>>80780805
This is speaking as someone whose relative was Admiral Yamamoto, and had Tokkotai (Special Attack Zeroes & Kamikaze) relatives. Japan never had a hope in fucking hell of winning, and the entire strategy was based around neutralizing the US Navy long enough for peace negotiations to go on so that Japan could focus on West Indies and resuming trade with the US. You know why Japan never landed marines on Hawaii? They had the capability, it's because they were getting facerolled by Soviets in Khalkin Gol, tied down in China, barely winning against the Commonwealth, and reinforcing wastelands in Manchuria. Yamamoto knew this, and hit the Americans with the hope that one year was long enough to resolve the war. He died from an assassination and then Midway happened nearly a year later.
Navy is everything when the Pacific guards the West, and the Atlantic to the East. And finally, everything you have stated is incorrect Gypsy. Our missile tech is UK, our ally and considered the best precision weapon system in history, and our hardware is STUPIDLY superior to anything China has on the docket right now. Stop speaking out of your ass and go google just how imbalanced force projections between just the US Navy and China for just aircraft and ships and keep in mind the USAF has more aircraft than either of them and routinely flies from the Dayton AF base in Ohio to bomb people in Syria.
>>80781576
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War
For every asian killed, 26 americans died, you only dropped nukes because you were losing and that was your only chance
>>80775822
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army#1950s.2C_60s_and_70s
I know these are all wiki, but its easy to just google something.
>>80781801
You lost to Vietnam and almost lost to Japan if it wasn't for nukes. All you have is raw numbers, but tech isn't any superior to Chinese, you both buy it, not produce it
>>80776618
I would imagine that if a war were to kick off, and GB decided to stay out of it officially, SAS would still be involved in some way.
>>80779140
This. Also the sub fleet could effectively level Bejing before the first intercontinental nuke got airborne.
>>80781879
Are you referring to this?
>>80781879
You fucking gypsy, they included CHINA as a Pacific ally. In 1939, Zeroes assigned a flight KDR of 39:1 against the Chinese airforce, as in 39 I-16's casualties were needed to down a single Zero.
>>80781879
I'm not saying the japs werent tough sons of bitches. They had impressive fieldcraft and discipline. When they dug in, it took ridiculous amounts material and life to kill them. We were angry, and looking for an unconditional japanese surrender no matter the cost at that point. They were gook bastards and had everything coming to them.
We manufactured 500,000 purple hearts in anticipation of invading japan with ground troops. We would have done it too, but then we had the nuke. Why the fuck would we not drop it?
>>80782352
You have 5 times less labour force than China. They can arm themselves a lot faster than you
>>80781801
Not really.
Your navy is strong because of bretton woods.
Decisive burger victory immediately, US is enormously dependent economically on China but China is even more dependent on them
That and the US spends astronomically more on military / defense
>>80782222
>Almost lost to Japan
>Waste of fucking quads
At the time of dropping the nukes, Japan was locked into its main island and had lost virtually all the territory it had acquired in the previous 2 decades. Tokyo was being regularly fire-bombed, Japan's aircraft and fleet had been destroyed. Only reason the nukes were used were to force them to surrender because war is expensive and it's better to end it as quickly as possible in some cases. It doesn't matter how you win as long as you win, Americans had superior technology and industrial power.
>>80776809
It wouldn't fuck the US economy as much as it would fuck China's. If we were to go to war, and in response, told China that all their Treasury bonds are now worthless, that means all the interest we were paying would now go towards the war effort.
It would probably fuck the US when it comes to selling bonds in the future, but it's war, so who fucking cares.
>>80782222
Again, you lying fucking Gypsy with inaccuracies. Can you please go to an EU college that isn't in a former Soviet satellite. Vietnam was a political loss. I already stated the US does not have the willpower for total war, but the Tet Offensive resulted in a loss of 90% of the NVA and NVAF. The casualty numbers are outrageous.
And we produce a shitload of inhouse stuff. Do we subcontract subsystems that are 40 years old to the Chinese to manufacture for us? Yes we do, but as shitty as the F-35 it's still light years beyond the Chinese can operate. You act like Russia trusts them enough to get their latest tech either. China doesn't even have Wild Weasel capability.
>>80781879
>for every asian killed, 26 americans died
um, no? that's just fucking wrong?
also the japanese lost EVERY naval engagement with the US, even the ones where they should have fucking won. fuck outta here
>>80782485
>trying and failing this hard
>>80782964
gypsies with internet, what can you do?
>>80782577
Negatory. The US took the lion's share of naval tonnage ratios during the Treaty of Versailles, we had a large fucking navy going into WW2.
In fact, part of the reason of the Pacific War is that Japan maxed out their tonnage ratios and felt ready for war, while the UK, US maxed out in the 30's and have been reducing and modernizing ever since, France stayed at a giant and stable tonnage, and the Krauts built fucking subs in Switzerland to get around the surface tonnage limits.
say hello to worldwide economic collapse when we seize them assets :^)
>>80782222
>>80782485
god you are a huge faggot
>>80778330
wat?
Have you ever looked at the trade imbalance that exists between China and the US? The Chinese export way more shit to the US than we do to them. What do you think Trump is always bitching about... The shit trade deals we have with China, and how they benefit the Chinese.
>>80782613
don't forget the mining of Japanese ports and shipping lanes that drastically reduced the movement of goods and the fact that the war in Europe was over and now a large portion of stuff (troops/weapons/planes etc) could be redeployed if needed
>>80782778
China extricated itself from holding US debt a while back. They pretty much swapped with japan. China tried investing is infrastructure development, but it doesnt have a population that can afford to live in the cities it built, and the production metals it has been storing bottomed out in price when the international market turned bearish.
For as badly as the 2008 housing crash hurt American, it hurt china even more, based mostly on its betting on domestic growth.
Chinese reports are always in the black, and it does not boast a growing middle class. But do you think this new middle class will be satisfied with what the chinese can give them?
Ultimately, the chinese are betting that its people will be content. Deep down, theres a fatass american in everyone. They want their houses, big cars, and white picket fences. Its an easy sell.
>>80780805
Romanian trying to retake the shitposting crown away from leafs
>>80779720
Blah, blah, blah, burger, blah, blah, burger, burger, burger. The US could take your quasi-surrender frog country with a couple dens of Boy Scouts, so until we close the doors on the last world superpower, you should really learn your place.
>>80776211
>implying chinamen would fight on the US side.
>>80773215
no this is stupid
too many people are awake to fight some globalist war again, it is to easy to wreck the system with no survivors which would be preferable.
china is not stupid enough to attack the us they wouldn't get 1/2 way to hawaii before changing from one of the biggest navies to not having one at all.
![KFC%20in%20Vietnam[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/u7IclAc.jpg "KFC%20in%20Vietnam[1].jpg")
>>80779952
naa, it was a temporary setback
>>80776874
jews aren't german... cuckistan
>>80773802
>Debt doesn't work that way
Then how does it work? The only way I could see constant increasing debt being sustainable is with either steady inflation or GDP growth.
>>80780972
Those are social issues that can be changed through culture wars and things settling down. China's divisions and fissures are massive and historical. Xinjiang, Tibet, etc. America doesn't rule over subject peoples, because every person inside is American. You're not very smart but whatever.
>>80776386
And WWII. But, don't be bothered by facts.
>>80775305
hey wait
how can our over the horizon weps work when the earth is really flat
fucking scam
>>80781801
Midway happened in 1942. Yamamoto was killed in 1943, well after Midway.
>>80780031
>money
>real
>>80773215
>US fights low budget knockoff versions of its weapon designs
It's like Transformers vs Gobots.
>>80774542
I went to China for a couple months a while back. Pro democracy protests everywhere in small towns. Snapped a few pics, secret police detained me and took my camera.
>>80773215
As soon as China makes a move, every single multinational corporation is going to pack up and leave. All kind of international cooperation effort will be halted. No one will ever think about making agreement with them.
>>80773215
Very, very bad. It would be WWIII.
>>80774979
It will take more than that.
>>80776407
I don't really want to start fighting slant eyed farmers again.
>>80773215
Its a simple fact that no country, or not even all the countries together(if EU would stay neutral) could take on USA with conventional warfare.
Yeah, surprise attack could do some serious damage and might cripple US forces in some parts, but US industry power is simply so huge, they would produce everything more than anyone, if it would mean war like WW2 was.
China and Russia together might challenge USA on their own neighbourhoods, but no way at the sea or...hah...at the US soil.
So...if you would want to attack USA, how would you do it then?
<EMP attack.
<Biological attack on huge scale.
<Nukes.
<Something unpredictable, like igniting Yellowstone(that goes a bit scifi)
<Dropping something from space, like Chinese space station.(that goes a lot of scifi and i doubt it would be huge enough...unless its like tsar bomba x5)
Only thing realistic enough in my opinion would be biological attack, since you could do it so that USA couldnt retaliate against anyone, since they couldnt know whos to blame. (frame Finland!)
>>80773215
Neither the Yanks or the Chinese would want to go to war with each other. Tensions flair from time to time, but there's too much money between the two that they'd never want that to happen. The US wouldn't want to start a nuke war over some shitstain rocks or even Taiwan. If America was ever to start a war with China, it was sixty years ago at Yalu River. Even then they couldn't overpower the meat wave coming from the PRC. Now the Chinese are way too strong to pull that shit off anymore.
>>80777027
shhhhh the burgers think they can actually build anything aside from a single plane hat's legitimately 2 generations ahead.
>>80775305
>take nukes out of the picture
Well that's never going to happen. That;s why they developed one as soon as they could in the 60s.
>>80775822
>this is the level of or education system
