On Thursday I'm going to my local recruitment office.
I want to serve my country as my grandfather (navy: Cold War), great-grandfather (army: WW2), and great-great-grandfather (army: Boer War & WW1) did before me.
Should I join the Army or the Navy?
I think I've already reached my own decision but I'm interested to hear alternative arguments for either.
Possibly relevant: 18, Male, /fit/, 6"1'
>>80772088
Navy you'll get called a bumder and get stuck at HMS Collingwood for an eternity. But you'll make loads of shipmates and all have sex.
Army you'll get called a nonce because they're all nonces. I advise you join the tug of war team because you'll get out of doing anything.
But jobs for life. Both will see you a good life. Both with give you a decent set of skills. Up to you.
>>80772413
In the navy, roughly how much time would you say is spent at sea vs how much is spent in a dock or base?
Bump
>>80772972
depends and I don't know exactly, I think maybe 6 weeks tops? but you get loads of runs ashore in places all around the world. plenty of opportunity to catch the clap off your shippers.
>I want to serve my country
Do you mean you want to become a glorified welfare leech? If so, go ahead.
>>80772088
Whatever will kill you the fastest you dirty Brit.
I'm joining the army planning on Infantry (east anglian)
Either way, match up your career prospects and have an idea of what you want to do whilst serving.
18, 5'6 /fit/
>>80774133
That actually sounds pretty comfy tobehonest.
I am leaning towards navy because the stories my Grandad tells about his service are great and I want to gain experiences like that.
>>80774519
>mfw someone is trying to be edgy but ending up like spewing general faggotry.
>>80774519
y u haf to be like dis
:^)
>Implying fatalism was ever a bad thing.
Served 7 month in the german ground forces, was a great experience.
Thinking about rejoining and signing up for a longer time
Navy. US sailor here. Its more technical and you can learn alot of shit shipboard. Idk if the Royal Navy does aswell, but the Navy has shore billots. Im on my second tour here in Korea.
>>80774519
>americans
>>80774625
Career prospects are pretty much non-existent.
I'm considering a shipwright apprenticeship if I fail to get into either.
Qualifications from college were good, but mostly irrelevant.
Ex RN submariner, ignore flag, on holiday.Training is easy but takes ages. Once you get on a unit sea time can vary. If you end up gold crew you will do a lot. If you are 2 crew its a bit better. I left as man power was shit, I was doing 100 hour weeks with 3 hours sleep on every duty andn1 in 2 duties. Pick your branch wisely, don't go warfare unless you love cleaning. Weapons engineering or marine engineering is the way to go. If you want to be lazy and get the least sea time and easiest duties choose Logs supply chain.
asthmatic here. I can't apply- tried for the navy and rejected.
Navy seems to be cut more than others, then again I see homeless army vets on the streets where I live too. DESU, Either is a good choice but I'd try for the Navy myself.
If you do the Army don't do combat arms unless there is/is going to be a war.
I really regret going into infantry. Most of the time its boring as shit, but deploying was fucking amazing
>>80775260
Wow guess I still come up as a Brit on my phone and not a pasta nog.
In terms of caring for their service members:
RAF > Navy > Army
In terms of if you want to actually see "action":
Army > Navy > RAF
Really depends what you want to do, though.
>>80774848
No, I just hate your subhuman kind
>>80775028
What roles do you perform?
Do you get to chose which role you want to do or do you get selected for them as you progress?
Grandad was in the submariners from HMS Ganges and got in on requested courses but I'm not sure if this protocol has changed since the 50s.
navy - cause ur a sea people
>as my grandfather (navy: Cold War)
>Cold War
>War
I have a feeling that the UK is going to be neutral in WW3
>>80775260
I was looking into engineering.
What's the difference between weapons engineering and marine engineering?
>>80775794
Google Second and Third Cod Wars.
Grandad was on deck when they took aboard the first confirmed casualty.
>>80775646
You choose your branch. Part way into phase 2 I got the choice of T or V class, I chose T got V. You can also choose drafts on the online JPA system, drafty consistently ignored my choices and went for the opposite.
>>80776020
I just can't see the UK throwing its weight behind anyone having just left your union
unless you cunts send zeppelins again
>>80776388
NATO is a completely separate entity than the EU, and it doesn't benefit us to have Europe occupied by anyone else.
>>80776508
oh fugg I forgot about NATO
wtf brain
>>80775977
Weapons is more electronic stuff, maintaining weapons systems, repairing electrics in damage control situations. Marine is more mechanical engineering keeping the propulsion running.
>>80772088
My grandfather was in the British army in WW2 too. That was the last war worth dying for so I never joined. You will just be defending mudslimes that hate you too.
>>80776600
I've worked IT at a hospital (possibly relevant for electrical) and I've fixed up small boats and restored cars (possibly relevant for marine).
Both sound reasonable.
Do they both pay the same?
>>80776918
>Implying WW1/WW2 was worth dying for
>>80774519
Edgy
>>80777067
this
WW1 was a clusterfuck
WW2 the wrong side won
>>80777067
WW1 made sense at the time...
Maybe.
WW2 gave us a lot of new technology which would have taken half a century longer to develop in peacetime.
>>80777536
Would have taken the slower development of technology over the consequences of WW2 for us anyday.
US got mad fucking rich over it, We got fucked up politicians making entirely the wrong calls that left us behind Germany and struggling for decades.
The west has never recovered from WW2 from a sociological standpoint. Lot of good men died leaving behind cowards and a boomer population.
>>80777536
>WW1 made sense at the time...
for maybe a month
then it became a mud wrestling match between generals of opposing countries who had no idea of the advances in warfare that had been made
check out the great war channel on youtube
>>80777536
>WW1 made sense at the time...
>WW2 gave us a lot of new technology
Tell that to the millions of brave men who fought and died; I'm sure they'd say their price was worth it.
>>80772088
Royal Marines
4:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Ae-eGOgxI
>>80777830
I watch every The Great War video on the day of release.
I'm under no illusions that WW1 wasn't a bloody mistake. But when technology evolves faster than strategies, the conflict can't end until one side meets it's inevitable attrition.
Most leaders simply accepted that as a grim fact rather than the alternative of negotiating peace terms early on.
>>80778309
With the billions saved by the innovations, I'd argue that it was worth it looking back.
Under war time, definetly the navy. Cooks, not being hit by shells everyday from enemy lines + their is a much greater chance of survival. During peace time, its up to your own preference.
>>80776571
Australian foreing policy expert.
>>80779564
n-no bully
>>80780003
Kaolas are literally the dumbest animal on earth in relation to body mass.
>>80780266
The most common way for a sloth to die is to grab their own leg; thinking that it's a branch; and will fall from the tree to their death.
I'd say the sloth trumps the koala for dumb/kg.
>>80772088
If you join the army, you would be ok with killing dozens of russians after WW3 will begin?
>>80780620
Wow! That's...impressively dumb. Literally Darwin Award, the animal.
>>80780266
they're just high on eucalypt
>depriving your countrymen of another warrior in the upcoming race war by letting the military Jew send you to bumfuckistan
>>80780652
Probably. I despise slavs.
I don't think I'd be able to out-cheeki the OG-breeki though.
The Royal Navy will likely need more hands to counter the hundreds of Russian subs at the bottom of the North Atlantic.
>>80781248
how many of those caskets are empty
>>80775825
my prediction if trump gets elected
UK dodged a bullet by voting to leave
>>80772088
You need to be shit hot in the RAF and selection is tough, one of my uncles is ex-RAF and they all talk in the same accent.
Another Uncle was Coldstream Guards, for some weird reason he was attached to the Navy after a while (in a group of 4) toured the world.
During WW2 my Grandad was a RM Commando . . .he told me that he was really pissed off as he was sent to London to operate searchlights????
He was going to quit but then he was sent to Egypt had did more exciting things.
Go army, navy doesnt do cool shit
also shouldn't you wait until the year is up? diplomatic relations are all up in the air right now, if Hillary gets elected you can bet you'd be risking your life for a truly evil cause
you don't fight because you want to kill people, you fight because of what you believe in.
I'm biased and say the Army
I was going to join the Navy as a submariner for dat £5000 golden hello but I decided army in the end because I prefer the marching, tradition, etc
>>80781911
>The navy doesn't do cool shit.
What did he mean by this?
>>80782291
> £5000 golden hello
What meaning do these words have please?
>>80782513
The RN gives you a bonus £5000 tax free if you join the Submarine Service
Presumably because it's a shit job
>>80781069
>Probably. I despise slavs.
alright that's it, fuck you divide and conquer die for globalist regime change faggot
brainless morons like you deserve to be pelted full of 5.45
I'll kill you
I'll fucking kill you
>>80781463
All of them, they couldn't fit the obese corpses into the coffins
>>80772088
Ahh yes, soldiers.
The male equivalent of prostitutes, disposable beings with close to no value, only female prostitutes are used by the their people, male ones don't get that privilege.
>>80782720
Say hello to the MI5 for me, friend.
Your on a list now.
Why so salty anyway? I despise many kinds of people! Not just slavs, you know.
>can't join army
I will have to become a civil servant instead. Fast streamer hopefully.
>>80783000
because you're the kind of idiot who claims to be "red pilled" and shit and then signs himself up to do the merchants dirty work
why would you risk your life to push multiculturalism and homosexuality
fuck you scum of the earth
>>80782926
Wow, your post here really causes me to engage my frontal lobe!
I must now rethink all my values forthwith, to align with yours!
Haha, kill yourself, spic!
>>80782832
its funny because its true
>>80783328
>being this triggered by casual racism on a hungarian yak-husbandry forum!
wew ,lad
>>80783406
Yes, because /pol/ is about actually thinking.
>>80783452
lmao American war hero right there, wonder if they'll make a film about him too? The american militarys thinnest male, so brave
I'd go RAF first, wouldn't get into jets but would be happy as a cargo pilot, easy transition to being a 747 captain. Wouldn't do choppers cause no one need em.
Otherwise I'd look for some management role in supply chain, work in logistics after deployment.
Chair Force is sweet.
For combat - Marines, always good to get wet, or Mechanized infantry, better not to ruck it to much so dont go light infantry (save the knee's). Avoid artillery: hearing loss. Tankers just become truck drivers, though could be fun.
Navy is respectable but large ships freak me out, I'd be happy being shot out of the sky but torpedoes terrify me.
When your 18 you never think about your future but you really should pick a MOS that will give you the best career post military. Think of it like a 12 year apprenticeship. Buy a cheap house out in the middle of nowhere, rent it out and spend all your cash on mortgage payments, that way your not fucked when you turn 30 with no civilian skills and living on the dole. Be a specialist like a mechanic/electrician at least if you can't get into officers or higher tier techs like nuclear engineer.
Dont just be a grunt and buy a camero and blow all your money on leave, the only skill you leave with is PTSD.
>>80783645
then theres this brave soldier valiantly bringing enough pizza for himself and one other soldier
>>80783645
Britain pls no bully, ignore that faggot edgemaster trying to trigger you, we love you guys.
>>80772088
But as to the decision, I'm joining Navy and I've heard from many friends and vets/current serviceman that Navy is the way to go for peacetime. Never in my life have I met an angry Navy vet, they are always happy and talk very fondly of their service. Army usually says it was boring, lots of painting rocks and sitting around in the barracks making sex jokes and thinking about suicide. Not for me desu.
>>80784093
>painting rocks
lmao
I've had to cut a grass pitch with tiny scissors before
>>80784093
<3
>>80784056
He only had two on the way from the store, so brave, terrible conditions.
>>80783599
>resorting to spewing memes once confronted with the truth
further proving me right that you cant think as an individual and are nothing but a tool
>>80784093
>i love enabling Hillary Clinton's foreign policy
>like fuck teh joos xDDDD im so redpilled xDDDDDDD
>>80784304
I don't even know his this happens, seriously. I'm not in yet but I know about PT and the physical standards they hold you to, I guarantee you that guy who have been discharged or sent to one of those fat camps where they work you until you die. He is either an actor/wearing a costume or this is a reservist who has slid WAY under the radar.
>>80784319
they're taking literally anybody including trannies
>>80784594
I could give two shits about the greater foreign policy I'm involved in, it's not like I can change it personally. If you save your money in a savings account, get all the certs you can, and make your time worth it, you come out with a lot of extra capital, paid college, and are in the best physical condition of your life, as well as job experience/a boosted resume. There is no reason not to enlist my friend.
>>80774133
I was in the Navy 6 Years, during wartime you'll be gone most months of the year.
>>80784863
That's not US uniform is it?
>>80784863
american military is literally tumblr. Can't wait to see the trannies and degenerates the american military is made of fight the ultranationalist chinese
>>80784594
There was a time when Englishmen were renowned for their sense of humour.
Go to bed, lad, you're only grumpy because your tired. The slavs are taking a break from selling cocaine and slacking off work to sleep right now, you should too.
; ^ )
i wnat to join the army but im an autist also i dont like the idea of shitting my guts out in a box all day
>>80785748
not a response
>>80784881
>I could give two shits
fuck you, it's "I couldn't", stupid nigger
you're sick in the head if you want to kill people defending their countries from rampant foreign policy that you oppose, in fact you're barely even human
>>80785220
hopefully there'll be a war soon and your parents will have to live with the fact that their son died in a pointless war for some cackling bitch lining her pockets in washington
gg
I have just graduated uni, and have been offered a job that is 4 days on, 4 days off. I was thinking about joining the reserves for my local infantry regiment as something to do during my 4 days off, and then maybe even transition to full time if I enjoy it and my normal job is a load of wank. Thoughts?
>>80782291
Are you in HCav? If so, what's that like as an experience?
>>80777813
I think we left behind a lot of our values too, m8. I view the United States as having committed suicide in 1945. I wasn't alive at the time, but I don't think we wanted the war, and many - MANY - people here were simpatico with the Nazis regarding the Jews. Japan wanted to emulate the UK and explore other facets of European imperialism in the Pacific, but booped Hawaii. The European theater was one thing, and it wouldn't have been anything but for the Soviet Union. The Pacific though... our hands were forced to use the atomic bombs, which has made good and evil men's eyes glow with desire. The bombs, lend-lease, the Marshall Plan - it all led to American dominance since 1945. I know that Wilson adopted a policy of the United States flexing its muscle on the world stage around the time and during WWI, but I think our non-interventionist ideals still carried as Europe was destroying itself, until the boiling point. It led to the creation of Israel, our collective, brotherly tentacles getting stuck in the Middle East, which, simply put, has led to radical Islam and the world in which we live today.
Chin up there, Britbong - you may still yet advance with Brexit and the decline of the European Union, and its economic engines of France and Germany. We got your back, just like the wars.
>>80786173
You disappoint your ancestors Brit, they were heavily engaged in colonialism and killing Natives was practically a pastime, now here you are whining about that very same thing. Man up.
>>80786470
4 on 4 off - is a night shift pattern . . .done it for years.
The problem arises when things are 'every Sunday' or something, your shift Pattern will overlap.
>>80786903
>is a night shift pattern
is a *Niice shift pattern
I'm getting tired.
>>80786903
Yeah I see what you mean, the days you work slowly shifts week by week. I guess it's something I'd have to talk to a recruiter about.
>>80786651
I'm not talking about natives you retard, I'm talking about foreign countries who don't want this homosexual multicultural bullshit imposed upon them
you dumb niggers complain about faggots and trannies yet here you are wanting to spread the cancer across the globe.
>>80787361
me likey
>>80787361
Wonder what her feet smell like.
>>80787532
cheese grilled sandwiches
>>80786532
Maybe
It's pretty gud, hard work, you will be bulling your kit literally 9 hours a day, being the Queens official bodyguard is pretty good bragging rights though
Upside is that you transition between ceremonial in Knightsbridge and Armoured in Windsor every 2 years or so
>>80787608
>>80787663
Are there good lads in the regiment or is it a load of fucking mongs? HCav was actually something I strongly considered when I was younger, and would still consider if I decided to go full time.
>>80772088
RN, then do this:
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/careers/royal-marines
Fuck both off and go RAF, if you like infantry then join the RAF Regiment. They do fuck all, get paid more, and also get assigned to Akrotiri which is lush
chavs and mongs tend to just go infantry
The officers are admittedly the poshest people you can imagine, but the enlisted are pretty normal, mostly middle class Tbh
>>80788073
Why wouldn't you just go RM in the first place?
>>80788263
Are you just there for ceremony or do you actually have contingencies to protect Her Majesty?
Are you expected/trained to fight in that armour if it's required?
>>80775206
dont associate my people with that faggot pl0x
>>80788263
All seems quite based desu, only thing that maybe puts me off is the idea of shining boots for 10 hours a day.
>>80772088
go army
be alive in a way you can't even understand right now.
the only down side is normal people will disgust you with their little problems when you get back.
navy = soo much boredom.
you know what is in the middle of the ocean. fucking nothing. in every direction.
![jboots1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eE6D2d1.jpg "jboots1[1].jpg")
Eh mostly ceremonial I guess, there are usually police with weapons wherever the cav goes in HCMR
Hcav don't get to carry rifles like the footguards do, just the sword, however it's the only reg that's allowed to have their weapons drawn in the presence of her Maj
You're trained to do shit like chopping things in half on horseback with your sword in phase 2 though
>>80789127
Grooming the horse is the most annoying imo
>>80789308
is for
>>80788694
Fuck me
>>80787361
The problem with that argument is we're not spreading a culture of any sort or any multicul agenda, we're just sort of bombing them and imposing regime change.
I don't agree with it, I'm an isolationist/non interventionist libertarian, but I'm also pragmatic. The military will serve me well, I'm using the government and not the other way around. If it pays for my college and allows me to get a good income, bang foreign qts, and get piss drunk in other countries, why the fuck would I be complaining?
>Be me
>Not you
>Earlier today
>Went to my local MEPS office today to take my medical exam
>Walk in with my recruiter
>he directs me to the medical office
>see a staff sergent telling enlistees that are suppose to ship to form a line in the center of the hall way
>my autistic ass thinks I'm in the wrong area
>I try to walk away without being noticed
>staff sergent starts screaming and yelling at me in front of several hundred enlistees
>he ask me were I'm going?
>I start to stutter
>"SPEAK UP!" says the pissed off staff sergent
>Tell him where I need to be
>Starts screaming at me and says that I disrespected him
>Hundreads of enlistees start laughing
>Kicks me off deck for the day
>I won't be able to swear in until next week
Feels bad man.
>>80784056
that is a contracter
80% chance from texas
idk where the fuck they had pizza
100k a year for fucking off in air conditioning, meanwhile kill / get shot at/ watch friends die = 35k~
our uniforms look like the guy on the bottom of your pic
>>80789308
Those boots are sexy as fuck.
Sword training sounds fun too.
But the million pound question, anon, does it impress the girls?
>>80789159
That's a vast generalization famalam, no disrespect for the army (I was an inch away from joining it instead of the Navy) but there is a lot more to do then sit on a boat, you get to dock to 20 different countries all over the world. Not to mention in the position I'm going to (seabees) we barely even go on a ship at all, it's just engineering and construction work with the occasional war game, or actual combat if it comes down to it during wartime.
>>80789308
I assume you have to be good with horses?
Any know about the US Navy Civil Engineering Corps?
Is it a waste or should I get to private industry?
![1450362314_scout_sv_specialist_vehicle_mod_45157765[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/98TucOR.jpg "1450362314_scout_sv_specialist_vehicle_mod_45157765[1].jpg")
>>80789616
Literally had girls put their numbers into my jackboots m80
Not much time off to actually pursue shit like that though
The nightlife is pretty great though, practically rent free to live in Westminster
Now is a good time to join, they're phasing out the nearly 50 year old Scimitar for the Scout SV soon, pretty much the most advanced AFV in the world
>>80790050
I had never ridden a horse when I joined up
USN MM2 (ss) nuke here. Don't do it. FTN and it's only because I'm smart.
>>80790237
Do you get to choose a specific role inside the vehicle? Like a gunner or something? Thing is, I wouldn't like to drive that thing, but wouldn't mind doing anything else.
>>80790103
Their not the same thing, anything you do in the military would in theory serve as a precursor to the private sector. As an officer in the Engineering corps you would be bossing guys like me (seabees) around during construction projects, which could potentially lead to large engineering projects with a lot of logistics and potential combat hazards, this would look good on a resume, not to mention it pays towards engineering degrees in college.
>dying or losing limbs for Israel
or
>being called a bender
Not too hard a choice.
![hqdefault[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/c8nXVnU.jpg "hqdefault[3].jpg")
>>80790426
You do everything eventually
Why wouldn't you want to drive that beast
It's fucking massive too
Lads, can anyone tell me about the RAF? On their website it seems like they just play sports all day and get paid for it. Is it that awesome?
I've also got a Engineering (Aeronautical) degree. Does that help me join at a higher rank or does it have no meaning?
>>80790627
Dunno, seems like it'd be fucking hard. One last question. I'm 22, would joining at this age be weird? By that I mean would I be around a load of 17/18 year olds.
>>80774625
Get your A levels boy and join as a junior officer, don't be a dick.
>>80791162
most people here are in their 20s
>>80790508
I feel weird about the CEC because I haven't really heard anything bad about it. Everything just kinda sounds good about it: get PE certified, gain some practical experience and veteran status, be able to save up some cash, and maybe see some other places of the world.
I've only been told that it'll be 4-5 years of my life where I could be making money elsewhere, but, with an engineering degree, I don't feel like I'll ever be starved for money.
>>80772088
no, the queen said no more chavs
>>80783452
there were whole tribes of warriors like that back in the motherland and they killed people just fine, thankyou !
>>80791601
That's where I'm going to m8, I never planned on going engineering or mechanics by any means, I wanted to be a producer for film or maybe own a business, but the fact is white collar work has shifted so massively in surplus that there is a demand for blue collar laborers, and I don't mean Mexicans grabbing corn on farms, I mean welders and plumbers and specialized mechanics. They are making top dollar, seriously.
You get your certs, get your experience, have your degree payed for with the CEC funding and Gi Bill, and you are a wanted man for the head hunters in the job markets. Save your money, spend wisely, retire in your 30's. Not a bad gig.
So is the infantry for idiots or what?
>>80792192
Not necessarily
I known guys who went to Cambridge and joined enlisted inf
It's just the 'default' so chavs automatically decide to join the infantry
That said, it does have the lowest BARB requirement
If you're gonna join the infantry and you're fit as fuck, go paras
>>80792542
What are the fitness requirements for HCav like? No way I could be a para, fuck jumping out of planes on a regular basis.
![1962[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pfiHUQL.jpg "1962[1].jpg")
>>80792745
Really they want you to run 1.5 miles in 10-11 minutes
Infantry are the ones who get seriously beasted, they do full gear runs every week
Whereas in HCMR you'll be doing this shit instead lol
>>80793219
One last question and I'm off to bed. Do you ride the same horse every time? As in, is that "your" horse and you get to know it?
>>80793451
Not really
All the horses have names and what not, but usually the senior NCO's and officers have the pick of the best behaved horses
Sometimes I'll be paired with an absolute bastard horse
>>80793665
Interesting. Thanks for answering my questions mate. Will probably actually go and talk to a recruiter soon.
>>80793855
good luck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEjaSvdjHM
>>80791978
How /fit/ do I have to be for the fitness test? I do a moderate amount of running and lifting, but nothing too stressful and I've pretty skinnyfat. Got any tips?
It's really the only thing I think I'd have trouble with as I've got the GPA.
>ask /k/ for recruitment advice for months
>get ignored every time
>visit /pol/ first time in a month
>get answers
Nice
