FACT:
an old Ukranian jewish weakling with a weird haircut has repeatedly debunked every aspect of /pol/'s shitty right-wing masturbations
Good luck trying the discredit him
>Hard Mode: no ad hominem or other logical fallacies
>>80749654
>>80749654
No, he didn't.
>>80749654
You can't prove the Chomsky wrong
Which is why this board is but a fucking meme for insecure braindead manchildren
>>80749654
source?
>>80750102
post one of his arguments???
he debunked nationalism?
pfft
Everything a jew says is a self-serving lie. Accept the jew devil into your life at your own great peril. The red-pilled among us know better than to invite the pestilence into our house.
Chomsky on Gun Control
From "Secrets, Lies and Democracy" - Noam Chomsky Interviewed by David
Barsamian. Published by donian Press, Tucson AZ, 1994.
Gun control
Q: Advocates of free access to arms cite the Second Amendment. Do you believe
that it permits unrestricted, uncontrolled possession of guns?
It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit
people to have guns. But laws are never taken literally, including amendments
to the Constitution or constitutional rights. Laws permit what the tenor of
the times interprets them as permitting.
But underlying the controversy over guns are some serious questions. There's
a feeling in the country that people are under attack. I think they're
misidentifying the source of the attack, but they do feel under attack.
The government is the only power structure that's even partially accountable
to the population, so naturally the business sectors want to make that the
enemy--not the corporate system, which is totally unaccountable. After decades
of intensive business propaganda, people feel that the government is some
kind of enemy and that they have to defend themselves from it.
It's not that that doesn't have its justifications. The government is
authoritarian and commonly hostile to much of the population. But it's
partially influenceable--and potentially very influenceable--by the general
population.
>>80749654
FACT:
a middle-aged Austrian statesman with a weird moustache has repeatedly debunked every aspect of your shitty left-wing masturbations
Good luck trying the discredit him
>Hard Mode: no ad hominem or other logical fallacies
>>80749654
My grandfather always told me this:
"There's only one thing worse than a Jew in this world. And that, my boy, is a self-hating Jew."
I like Chomsky, but he is wrong on sociobiology or human biodiversity, and maybe on global warming, too.
He also doesn't mind if third world people replace Europeans, which is something we disagree on.
>>80749654
Why doesn't he get a hair cut? Jesus fuck
>>80750478
How are businesses unaccountable? If they fuck up they lose business. Government is just a giant leech full of thieves.
>>80750260
Watch one of his talk/conference or whatever
It's never about arguments. It's about common sense and global vision
Something /pol/ ideological idiots deeply lack
He's a retard I've watched a few hours of his stuff, let me sum it up:
Big biz=bad
Big gov=ok
Everything in the world is America's fault
Everything is blowback
Islamic imperialism in the past 1300 years doesn't exist and I won't ever talk about it
Please cuck my shit up
Jewish degenerate leftist ideas
>>80750478
>goverment is not the enemy, corporations are.
>lets ignore the constitution completely
>>80750816
Yeah, cause who cares about arguments, when you have a global vision?
>>80750928
pretty much this
>>80750982
>>80750478
>>80749654
next arguement
>>80750478
The golden days of pre-internet era when you could spew bullshit for 2 hours with concerned face and no one would would question your crap.
I use to listen to that kike a decade ago. He's on par with Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell. GTFO out here with Chomsky's shill shenanigans.
>>80750478
The corporate system is not unaccountable. It can and does get healed into court in the form of individual defendants all the time. People go to prison for financial crimes. The SEC exists and does its job.
Oh, I get it. It doesn't do the job that Chomsky wants done.
His argument is factually flawed, but beyond this, he seems like an insecure man baby who is mad at the system that he isn't going to admit he's a part of.
>>80750544
So Bobby Fischer is not awesome? I think your gramps was senile, mate
I still hate Chomsky, though. Filthy commie
>>80751329
*haled into court
>>80749654
>Ukraine
>>80750928
Chomsky is an anarchist
>>80751332
>Bobby Fischer
a person, when presented with facts, switches off from reality
as entertaining as he was (and extremely intelligent) he was completely out of touch - as are many really smart people
>>80749654
a old guy with a opinion . good for him. the problem is really old people wont ever see eye to eye with younger people. that old guy probably thinks radio rots your brain and he probably calls it something ghey like a phonography or some shit
>>80750506
>He was also responsible for amazing Pizza Ovens.
>>80749654
People still take Known Chumpsky seriously?
>>80751857
>he's old
>also he probably has wrong ideas on some random issues
>>80751857
That made me chuckle
>>80750478
>After decades of intensive business propaganda, people feel that the government is some
kind of enemy and that they have to defend themselves from it.
If he is so critical against those who don't take the Constitution literally, why does he go on to imply that people shouldn't feel that it is important to be ready to defend against a tyrannical government when that is what it literally says in the Constitution?
Thomas Sowell called him and his ilk out as the "intellectuals" they are by speaking about topics that are outside their domain of study.
>>80750478
Basically Chumpsky said people are idiots and can't think for themselves, but he knows what they're thinking and feeling better than they do, people are delusional and think they're under attack by the government.
Chumpsky thinks government is held accountable, meanwhile there's rarely oversight and accountability in much of what the government does, publicly listed companies have more transparency than government and are held accountable to shareholders.
Chumpsky claims big corp propaganda somehow made the people mad at big government, it's not that government is a behemoth that can wreck everything and there's no accountability like with big corps.
So he basically made corps out to be unaccountable, which is a lie, and government knows best, even though its rarely held accountable or any oversight and transparency. He basically just pumped out a bunch of bullshit and tried to make things seem the way they aren't, but why wouldn't he, he insults people can't think for themselves, Chumpsky is the delusional one who claims to be able to see what people feel and think.
>>80750478
>It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns.
the jews just cant stop lying
every time they open their mouths they lie.
>>80750478
>It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns
The eternal Jew strikes again.
>>80750478
there is literally zero reason to take anything chomsky says seriously
the man's linguistics aren't even good either
>>80751712
Sup fellow south african fag
Chris Cararra
An Anarchist Case Against Gun Control
Anarchists envision a society without government, a world where individual people, sometimes on their own and sometimes in cooperation with others, take care of themselves, their needs, their desires. One can expect that in such a libertarian society, with no restrictions on peoples freedom to engage in whatever non-coercive productive and commercial activities they choose, and the absence of oppressive political institutions and laws, there will be far fewer incidents of theft and physical attack than there are today. While changing the world to eliminate poverty and institutional violence may be the ultimate solution to the problem of violence and robbery, until that time non-coercive people need a means of defense against those who are not as peaceful as they are.
Most people now look to the armed forces of the government, whether police or military, for such protection. However, not only do police and military personnel do an abysmal job of protecting individuals, they are often themselves the perpetrators of coercive violence. In light of this, people need to look to themselves and their chosen communities for self-defense. Such a strategy of self-defense must include the freedom to own and use handguns without putting oneself at risk of arrest and/or violence by agents of the government.
>>80752582
That's the number one Jewish trick: telling you that black is white and white is black, describing every problem as the exact opposite.
What is Chomsky's position on the biological reality of race?
“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
― George Orwell
>be a genius with an extremely high verbal IQ
>can argue very cogently/effectively
>abuse this to push your kike ideology on goyim
ugh
>>80752975
Awe mei laanie.
Tell me something, how safe are we when browsing/posting on here?
Are our incompetent government spying on us and shiet?
>>80753111
He's a Jew, take a fucking guess. Pro tip: it's anti-white.
I heard him say once that "even if IQ differs between races, a true egalitarian would not care, it would not bother him, because everyone should be treated equally anyway."
>>80753556
I highly doubt we have anything to fear from South African cyber police.
Besides everything I post is satire anyway. Only an absolute imbecile would construe the opinions I share here as legitimate.
Those familiar with pro-gun activists know that they love a good quote. Do some surfing on pro-gun websites and you will find a cottage industry of quotations from American leaders and other voices of wisdom from throughout history. Some are legitimate, and some are completely bogus, but all are cherry-picked and presented entirely without context to suggest that their subjects hold the same pro-gun beliefs as Ted Nugent.
Even history’s greatest proponents of nonviolence are not immune from such treatment. This includes Mohandas Gandhi himself, whose words appear on countless pro-gun websites as follows: “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”
Pro-gun activists frequently use those words to suggest that Gandhi supported individual gun ownership both as a means of defending oneself and as a tool to violently resist government tyranny. But are these assertions true?
In that passage, Gandhi references India’s Arms Act of 1878, which gave Europeans in India the right to carry firearms but prevented Indians from doing so, unless they were granted a license by the British colonial government. The full text of what he wrote is: “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
>>80753556
We are relatively safe. Just dont release (even by accident, it happens) private info e.g location.
The blacks are crazy nowadays and if the ANC catches wind of an easy target those fucking coons will try kill anyone related to National Socialism/White supremacy. Stay safe
>>80749654
jewish lies.
/thread shill scums.
>>80753981
Same here. Only satire from me, i mean this is /pol/
>>80749654
Oh, this is an easy one: open any of his books not concerning linguistics, find the footnote supporting his claim, then see if that source supports his claim, or actually even exists. That was a big wake-up for me and a big part of leaving the Left. Chomsky is a well-known, well-documented manipulator and liar.
My favorite is his outright lies about the cricumstances of Omar Khadr's capture.
>they attacked his village and poor little omar was just defending it
Nope. The US walked in as guests of the federal Afghan government under the authority of a UNSCR. Khadr is a Canadian citizen, and his ethnic origins are in Pakistan. It is not his village and he had no more right to be there than any of you. This is a much more honest account of what happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr#Firefight_and_capture
When you apply Chomsky's own standards for moral international conduct—that an act meet the approval of the UN, that it adhere to international law, etc.—you find that the US often does meet these burdens of legality, and he chooses to omit, distort, and lie outright to always cast the US as the villain and everyone else as eternal victim.
Seriously, just get any of his books, or watch any of his lectures, then compare his claims to the known, documented facts, like I did in the Khadr incident. He's a lying piece of shit.
>>80750478
He just made case for both sides to be true.
It's was intellectuals do. Present a lot of stuff we already knew and make it more confusing but no solutions.
>>80753556
>>80753981
>>80754075
>i-it's all a joke, guys
>don't put us in a f-firing squad!!
faggots, you deserve to be lined up and gunned down if you can't stand behind your convictions.
/pol/ is just satire. No one takes it seriously.
Right?
>>80749654
try bringing in someone who is not a jew op they have no credibility here
Modern scholars Thomas B. McAffee and Michael J. Quinlan have stated that James Madison "did not invent the right to keep and bear arms when he drafted the Second Amendment; the right was pre-existing at both common law and in the early state constitutions."[72] In contrast, historian Jack Rakove suggests that Madison's intention in framing the Second Amendment was to provide assurances to moderate Anti-Federalists that the militias would not be disarmed.[73]
One aspect of the gun control debate is the conflict between gun control laws and the right to rebel against unjust governments. Blackstone in his Commentaries alluded to this right to rebel as the natural right of resistance and self preservation, to be used only as a last resort, exercisable when "the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression".[74] Some believe that the framers of the Bill of Rights sought to balance not just political power, but also military power, between the people, the states and the nation,[75] as Alexander Hamilton explained in 1788:
[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude[, ] that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.[75][76]
>a jew supporting globalism
Wow what a surprise
>>80749654
NOAM! Do you still feel that it doesn't matter who did 9/11? Because all roads seem to lead to (((the usual suspects))). Noam? Can you feel me, Noam?
>>80750816
>It's never about arguments.
Fuck him then. Fuck you too.
>>80750478
>the corporate "system"
>unaccountable
You can make any corporation account for itself by not buying their shit. That's the whole point of competition.
>>80750478
>It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns.
How was this guy taken seriously at any point in his life
>>80755312
Right?
Claiming NONO IT'S NOT ABOUT ARGUMENTS sounds like something someone would say when they are losing an argument.
But hey, jews gotta jew fast.
>>80756062
That, and the fact that you simply can't engage with someone who doesn't support their position with arguments.
>>80753754
Thats actually a pretty measured and reasonable statement.
>>80757093
How is it reasonable.
Lower IQ instantly means lesser contribution, not because of lack of desire but because plain lack of ability.
So equality cannot ever truly be equal, because contribution dictates what you earn, be it in finances, love, anything material.
Equality is an illusion, a fantasy propped up to keep the lower IQ among you from rebelling against the higher IQ among us. Not unlike religion, preaching 'we are all equal' is the great panacea, which keeps you proles moving where we need you.
>>80750506
That quote about the Jew's debating tactics comes to mind.
>>80749654
Chomsky would actually agree with a shitload of things posted on /pol/.
Pol pot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOIM1_xOSro
Please notice my thread
>>80756697
>>80757516
What was the IQ of people who got a brilliant idea of catching members of neolithic hunter-gatherer tribes, transport them over ocean and make them forcibly work into 18 century high-intensity industrial agriculture?
500 million worth of 2016 USD earned and 10 trillion wasted on civil war, affirmative action, chimpouts and extra police deployment.
>>80758097
not even giving sacha jew cohen 5 seconds of my time
>>80750478
>asks a question about 2A
>denies 2A even permits rights (he's partial right, it guarantees god-given rights)
>goes on a diatribe about corporatism and government
anarchywouldbesomuchbetterguys.jpeg
>>80758216
Jews did the transporting and selling of slaves, all over the world.
This isn't even disputable.
Everything that came after, particularly in the states, is the result of Jews riding the prevailing winds of change and adapting economic strategy to best benefit them, eg civil rights for niggers.
>>80758447
Dude it's we wuz kangs level of retarded if you are serious
>>80750478
Just for clarity
He used the old "2nd amendment is only collective ownership of guns in the form of a militia" argument, which Scalia fucking decimated in the DC v. Heller decision.
>>80753100
He's using bullshit bazaar haggling techniques common among people from the middle east, a lot of talk to manipulate and confuse to push the product he's selling, but if you sit back and ignore all the theatrics it's easy to see the bullshit. When you break down what Chomsky says, it turns ridiculous, it's a lot of long winded talk with lies sprinkled in that are pushed as fact directly or indirectly, like a merchant in a bazaar.
>>80758828
How? It's evident in literally everything here.
The states as a young nation needed slaves to grow. Once the population no longer needed them, or was strong enough to stand on it's own without slavery, Jews instantly did a 360 and began shilling rights for these subhumans.
>How do you best profit from an evolving scenario
Turn slaves into consumers.
>Jew
>That haircut
Is that you Shilly Wonka?
>>80758216
Actually they were Iron Age farmers & herders
Just saying
>>80753508
jew here with a high verbal iq. I spent linguistics class arguing Chomsky was bullshit. I get where he's getting his ideas but none of it is pragmatic and it does not work for anyone but him.
>>80750478
>It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns.
Where's his argument though?
>>80759073
How does he have still have any credibility?
>>80749654
why would I listen to anything a subhuman Slav have to say?
That old man belongs in a wheat field or pigsty.
>>80750816
>It's never about arguments.
NOT AN ARGUMENT.
>>80754679
Nice meme leddit
>>80759435
There is no argument, just assumes its clear in a literal sense to the audience and fluffs it up, wraps packages and sells it with "it's pretty clear, that taken literally." Imagine a merchant in a bazaar showing off his tomatoes, he'd say to a passerby, "isn't it clear these are the reddest best tomatoes you have ever seen!" It's manipulation and if broken down what he tries to imply and suggest in his long winded talks, it falls apart.
>>80750816
>it's never about arguments
True it's usually just an obfuscating slurry of marxist buzzwords.
>>80759545
College kids fall for memes as long as they're popular
Chomsky is a left wing meme machine desu
>>80759435
It's pretty clear.
Being an educated European in an extremely cultured society should just, like, be able to see that. Is Americans need a philosopher like Chomsky to think for us. We are silly.
>>80759435
I've heard him argue before that the second amendment doesn't guarantee rights to individuals, only to the militia, so basically you can't own firearms for home/personal use according to the constitution in chomsky's kike mind. Justice Scalia put that argument in a body bag in the DC v. Heller decision (2008) which is worth reading if you have any interest in American law. Also this infographic >>80752969
Addresses it in the box.
>>80749654
>debunked
>subjectives
amazing!
>>80749654
also:
>no ad homs
>weird haircut
>shitty masturbations
i see
>>80759083
I couldn't have said it better myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJ2BmO6e6k
>>80752969
>"It can sometimes be difficult for non-US citizens to gain an understanding of citizen rights in the US.
>rights
>real
I like you america, but this is nonsense.
[jewish noises intensifying]
You guys are ask fucking morons everything he says is brilliant
Source?
Look it up yourself faggot is not about argument is about vision
>No logical fallacies
>Opens with Appeal to Authority.
Good job retard.
>>80761328
Did that sound better in your head?
>>80749654
>Be a linguistics professor
>suddenly become an expert on all things political and philosophical because he tells his liberal students what they want to hear
>>80761434
The only way to beat jewish logic is by beating their lives out of them.
>>80761428
not an argument
>>80761710
I would be defensive too if someone challenged my retarded made up notion that rights exist. I would ask you to explain what rights are and where do they come from, but I fully expect another meme reply.
>>80750506
He's literally hitler
>>80759435
This. He just goes on to say how the Businesses aren't held accountable and that they deflect attention onto the Government. What dude?
>>80760835
Taken literally, 2A equates 'the people' with 'militia'.
There's no other way to explain the phrasing.
>>80761955
Explain to me what your qualification for things that "exist" is.
>MFW people don't know the man behind the mask
>MFW that man is GNOME CHOMSKY
> DON'T FALL THE TRICKS OF THE GNOMES YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
>>80758097
Is he in on the joke or is he really this autistic?
>>80751625
>anarcho-communist
not even once
>>80761328
Why are there so many autistic statists in this country? Just because we live in a nanny state doesnt mean you cant think for yourself.
>>80762393
Hahahaha I knew it, and I called it. I can't count the amount of times I've asked someone to prove something and they reply with "what is knowledge?" or "how do we know what's real". I hope you're being honest with me right now and you're just seriously autistic for a lack of a better term.
>>80762746
et tu, jew? Why defend this? I've asked around and nobody has been able to explain to me what rights are and on what basis can you claim that people have rights. As far as I'm concerned the word is synonymous with "entitlements", this magical feeling that "someone owes me that".
>>80762832
NOT
>>80758097
cunnilingual
>>80762832
Okay. I am genuinely, genuinely baffled by your posts right now. By now all I would like is a simple explanation of why you think "rights don't exist". Why is that? What does that even mean? Can you expand on why you think citizen rights are just a "retarded made up notion"?
>>80749654
Anyone else read his Fateful Triangle book?
What did you think of it?
>>80762367
> Second Amendment provides: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In interpreting this text, we are guided by the principle that “[t]he Constitution was written to be under- stood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning.” United States v. Sprague, 282 U. S. 716, 731 (1931); see also Gibbons v. Ogden, 9 Wheat. 1, 188 (1824). Normal meaning may of course include an idiomatic meaning, but it excludes secret or technical meanings that would not have been known to ordinary citizens in the founding generation.
The two sides in this case have set out very different interpretations of the Amendment. Petitioners and to- day’s dissenting Justices believe that it protects only the right to possess and carry a firearm in connection with militia service. See Brief for Petitioners 11–12; post, at 1 (STEVENS, J., dissenting). Respondent argues that it protects an individual right to possess a firearm uncon- nected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. See Brief for Respondent 2–4.
The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather announces a purpose. Although this structure of the Second Amendment is unique in our Constitution, other legal documents of the founding era, particularly individual-rights provisions of state constitutions, commonly included a prefatory state- ment of purpose.
See: http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf
>>80759223
>Actually they were Iron Age farmers & herders
>we wuz iron age
>that's why we live in mud huts in [current year]
>>80762075
A fucking white male
>>80762367
Furthermore, every man between the age of 17-45 is a member of the militia due to the Militia Act
>>80763372
What is so baffeling about what I wrote? I asked you to explain what rights are and why you think people have them. If you've had any sort of belief system about the matter then it would be a matter of explaining what you think, but as it turned out, you, like many people who believe in rights, just take it for granted that they exist.
I don't want to be uncooperative but it really is your job to explain what your position is, rather than for me to tell you what you think and why what you think is wrong.
>>80759435
Read the section. Taken literally, it allows only "well armed militias" the right to bear arms, and not the people.
Mfw ITT people also saying corporations are accountable, yet we just lived through the fucking bank bailout where no one was held accountable.
Top fucking kek. Chomsky once again BTFOing /pol/, yet almost all people on this board are too fucking dumb to understand what he says.
>>80763824
that's not an argument
>>80763824
>it allows only "the people" the right to bear arms
fixed
Read it again, aussie.
>>80763824
No, taken literally it says Militias AND the people have the right to bear arms, and that's not even mentioning the fact that like>>80763681 said, all able bodied men 17-45 are IN the militia whether they know it or not.
The intention of the 2nd amendment is to restrict a gun monopoly for the government, hence the fucking war they just fought and won against their own former tyrannical government.
>>80763824
I do agree with you on the bank bailout but both DC v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago affirm individual gun rights in America.
I don't know where all these corporate cocksuckers come from on /pol/ though, it's (((corporations))) that support the welfare state and have pushed the nihilistic consulerism that feeds degeneracy.
>>80763692
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+right
>>80764348
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=a+fucking+leaf
>>80764555
Does anyone really have to take any lip from an artificial, non-country?
Go be a kike somewhere else you Haredi neet fuck.
Patriarchy, a fine state and free market capitalism, and the free individual sends a fledgling society into grand prosperity. This is literally history 101.
The end of great empires begin with people like Chomsky, as their ever-bleeding hearts and unbreakable faith in ideological ideals call for governments to strip the citizens of their rights, in trade for "security" and "welfare" for the unfit and unproductive.
The very foundation of society, sustained only by the very capitalists from whom they extorted the wealth to finance their own self-destructive pursuits, will crumble underneath them; and they will sit back and wonder what went wrong.
>>80750478
>It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit
people to have guns
welp one line and i can already tell he is wrong
>>80764131
Intention != literal reading.
>>80764241
Do the Justices in those decisions endorse a strict literal interpretation of the Constituion? My understanding what that the majority instead endorsed a contextual reading, where they considered the section with regard to the broader intention of the founding fathers.
A literal reading does not mean the correct reading.
>>80764892
>Intention != literal reading.
What the fuck are you trying to say? The 2nd amendment is plainly clear, and you're still conveniently ignoring nearly all males are apart of the unorganized militia.
>inb4 unorganized /=/ regulated
>>80759073
How about "We the people are fucking armed to the teeth and ((( globalist bankers ))) don't like it"?
>>80764892
>Intention != literal reading.
This has to be some kind of low quality bait.....
It literally says "the right of the people to bear arms."
>>80764726
Did you expect anything other than mockery after posting a lmgtfy link? If you had any sense of shame you would've felt insulted by having to resort to parroting someone else's thoughts when asked a simple question you couldn't answer.
>>80759181
>The states as a young nation needed slaves to grow.
Bullshit. Slavery was WRONG. Not many US families held slaves, but plenty of Jews did. Jews imported most of the slaves. Given their supposed worth on paper, the southern slave holders took quite a haircut.
Why didn't the slaves get sent back to Africa after the Civil War? That was insane.
>>80763510
What's up with all the JewSpeak?
>>80750260
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSSCWAjsc7M
>>80765341
People within a well-regulated militia, not people in general. Why is this so fucking hard to comprehend.?
>>80765351
How does it feel that your country is on the verge of collapse due to a bunch of faggy neets who don't like girls?
>>80749654
>ukraine
>kike
>he is old so he is wise lmao
Fuck you and your logical fallacies shit. Since when it's a good idea trusting old kike shills?
>>80749654
>chomsky
I want the anarchists to go and stay go.
>>80763293
the people with the guns make the rights you dumb kike
>>80765592
Did you confuse Israel with Japan? Lay off the weed dude.
>>80765585
>still conveniently ignoring the fact all abled bodied men are in the milita
>still ignoring the words "the right of the people"
>>80765585
>People within a well-regulated militia, not people in general
It doesn't literally say that, though. There's no within; there's no mention of how exactly the people relate to the militia.
>>80765725
I believe slaves and non-citizens were not allowed in militias.
>>80765710
>Japan
>verge of collapse from Haredi kikers and "muh goyim plow the fields" faggots
Yeah, nope.
>>80765700
That's the best answer I've got so far, thanks.
>>80749747
FPBP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFt621qFvDA
>>80765803
That's good for the slaves and non-citizens, but CITIZENS are part of the militia whether they know it or not so your entire argument is completely annihilated.
>>80765870
>Israel
>verge of collapse from Haredi kikers and "muh goyim plow the fields" faggots
Delusional leaf.
>>80750102
So he makes non falsifiable claims. Good for him I guess
>>80750816
>It's never about arguments.
>>80765763
It literally begins with the phrase "well-regulated milita. Thats a clear preambulatory statement indicating that all that follows thereafter is to pertain to a well-regulated militia. The people it speaks of, therefore, are only those within a well-regulated militia.
is he really a gnome?
>>80765996
Not really when since your entire country is subsidized by said goyim, hence calling you an artificial non-country.
Kek, Jews aren't even going to last another 100 years. Going to dance in the streets the second I find out Jewrusalem was nuked.
>>80766142
>well-regulated means government controlled
Is this what you're trying to say?
>>80749654
Isn't this the cunt that always heralds every new socialist president and dictator as being the saviour of the common man and their country; and every time that country turns into an oppressive third world basket case shit hole?
>>80766129
His argument is basically that America is always wrong. That's literally it. He's an 80 year old with a 12 year old's political outlook.
>>80749654
Not an argument.
>>80766289
and a long time denier of the Cambodian genocide just for the sake of being Anti-American
>>80766289
He's absolutely right on your retarded ass foreign policy. You fucking burgers excel at fucking up the entire planet in more ways than one.
>>80750102
>Which is why this board is but a fucking meme for insecure braindead manchildren
You got that right.
>>80766142
>It literally begins with the phrase "well-regulated milita. Thats a clear preambulatory statement indicating that all that follows thereafter is to pertain to a well-regulated militia. The people it speaks of, therefore, are only those within a well-regulated militia.
No...it isn't. They had terms for people in the militia. They chose not to use them.
They chose to use the word that, in the other clauses, conspicuously refers to all individuals.
Regardless, it's not literally stated as you say it is.
The relationship between the people and the militia is undefined in the second amendment.
What we know is that every article in the bill of rights refers to individual rights for all people. You're saying the 2nd amendment is the sole exception to this, even though it uses the same language as the other amendments.
>>80750478
>It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns.
it's a bit sad that he never feels the need to explain statements like that, even though he knows exactly that 90% of people have no idea what he's talking about. If he was asked to do so, he'd probably make a good point, as he usually does.
I mean, when he says that the sowjet union was about as anti-socialism as you can get without explaining why, 95% of people just stop taking him seriously, and rightly so, because they don't know what he means and he doesn't explain. But when he goes on to make the point (like in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06-XcAiswY4), you have to say, yeah, that's true.
And he knows it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIbfl7OQ0y4
>>80766178
"Israel is a leech" is a meme with no basis in reality. We have our own economy and we buy our dollars because we have good export which is only getting stronger now that they've found natural gas here. It may not have appeared in Canadian news but we recently struck a deal with Turkey which has been previously reliant on Russia for it's gas.
If we don't last 100 years it's because of war, not because we'll starve.
>>80761434
>calling someone an old Ukranian jewish weakling is an appeal to authority
>saying "this guy debunked you" is an appeal to authority
>>80766289
He's not wrong. America fucked the world up by intervening in WW2. Then they fucked it up again by pushing democracy, multiculturalism, and anti-drug laws on every country.
Fuck America. The right-wings biggest historical enemy.
>>80766492
>leaf
>>80766633
>>80766626
>>80766599
>>80766554
>>80766492
>>80766439
>>80766426
>>80766289
>>80766280
>>>80761219
>>80764892
In the DC v. Heller decision, Scalia analyzes the meanings of different words and clauses in the second amendment throughout the 18th and 19th centuries
See:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf
>>80765272
I can ride with that one mate
>>80766633
>"Israel is a leech" is a meme with no basis in reality.
That would be true for someone with a delusional sense of history and reality, sure.
>We have our own economy and we buy our dollars because we have good export which is only getting stronger now that they've found natural gas here.
Artificially inflated by foreign powers since your creation and still heavily dependent on "foreign aid."
>It may not have appeared in Canadian news but we recently struck a deal with Turkey which has been previously reliant on Russia for it's gas.
Wonderful.
>If we don't last 100 years it's because of war, not because we'll starve.
No shit you fucking idiot. Going to get pummeled into oblivion and it's going to be glorious.
>>80750102
Is that why you come here?
>>80750816
Protip:
Common sense is actually bull shit. Literally just a glorified gut feeling.
"But it sounds so good and right, so it must be right. I mean it's common sense."
>>80766905
Do yanks really say "mate"? Or is it an internet thing?
>>80766775
>oblivious to his own country's affairs worldwide
>subverted by Islamists and Zionists and having their country shaped by them
Wew laddie, at least try to understand how cucked you faggots are.
>>80750478
>people feel that the government is some kind of enemy and that they have to defend themselves from it.
how could this even happen?
anyone have a clue?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlR6EXvhABc
>>80749747
Not an argument
>>80767079
Internet thing I picked up from Brits and Aussies, normal yanks say it very rarely
I-I just want to be a good son mother Britannia, l-like Aus! I'm not a rebel anymore I promise!
>>80767152
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
>>80767090
>leaf
>>80766599
>You're saying the 2nd amendment is the sole exception to this, even though it uses the same language as the other amendments.
Making reference to language outside of the section - even language within the very same document - is rejecting a strictly literal interpretist approach.
What your doing is along the lines of textualism. Which is a far more reasonable approach, just not relevant to this particular argument.
'america's an empire... t-tyrannical... i mean w-who's the real ttterrorists here hmm?....'
-- Every single public remark by Chomsky in the last 25 years
His anarcho-communal whatever-the-fuck 'ideas' for society are so pie-in-the-sky and bordering on science fiction for two reasons:
1. to make him seem an order of magnitude above everyone else for 'dreaming so big!'
2. to be so vague and lofty as to be immune from criticism, since they relate to no way of life that's actually ever existed
he doesn't have ownership of the criticisms of American post-war hegemony, but this is all his fans love. His actual ideas about human nature and behavior, and potential societies, are so asinine and irrelevant that there's a reason nobody asks anymore.
btw the man LITERALLY believes that language developed as a 'means to express emotional experience' and had nothing to do whatever with evolutionary efficacy or utility.
>>80750478
What did he mean by this?
>>80765526
And what is the argument here exactly? Sure it's way better working for yourself than working for others. That's one of the key motivation mechanisms of capitalism. Everybody is free to start his own business and if his work is beneficial to others, he will succeed. Communism will probably not allow you to do whatever you want and you will be a slave to the state. If what he wants a base income system where everybody can do what they want, without the need to do anything of use, he is a retard. I have nothing against base income, but it's a system to bribe the poor, not to attack the wealthy. People will still work for big corporations to get more benefits than the absolute survival minimum plus maybe a little more.
>>80766908
>Artificially inflated by foreign powers since your creation and still heavily dependent on "foreign aid."
Do you realize that the foreign aid we receive is not even amount to 10% of our GDP? I don't have a stance on whether or not it's right for US tax money to go towards foreign aid but Israel is not "heavily dependent" by any stretch of the definition.
>>80767247
Good lad
>>80751625
>anarchist
>libertarian socialist
Into the fires of hell it goes.
>>80750721
Large businesses are "stabilized" (read: paid off) by the government.
>>80749654
Hes a kike.end of argument.
>>80767275
>>80750816
wow you just lost, "It's never about arguments" is the definition of being a retarded liberal that doesn't believe in reason or logic, go kill yourself my man
>>80750816
>It's not reasoning, it's appeals to emotion supporting idealistic nonsense
Oh yeah so it is. I'm personally lacking in that sort of thing. Chomsky is king of that.
>>80751857
You're thinking of TV. He actually has spoken about the Internet's positive potential.
>>80767426
>GDP created by foreign aid
>>80767275
>>80767281
>Making reference to language outside of the section - even language within the very same document - is rejecting a strictly literal interpretist approach.
You're right. I concede that point.
My point is that the literal interpretation is unclear. The relationship between the two words is undefined, and it's only by an inductive guess (not by what's actually written) that you arrive at the idea that "the people" is the same group as "the well regulated militia".
>>80767708
You're pretending to be stupid. Foreign aid is not produce, I was just comparing the two.
>>80766762
>intervening
This is the problem with non-Americans. You fucks drag us into your retarded bullshit then bitch and whine when we stomp all over your faggot asses.
>>80752582
The first sentence in your post is bullshit and you know it.
>>80767261
from where is this pic?
>>80765526
You aren't a slave when someone pays you to do work, you are agreeing on it on free terms, there is no force involved. Why shouldn't that be allowed?
>>80749654
> anecdotal evidence about debunking some unmentioned, but emotionally-appealed strawman
> immediately asks for no fallacies
A recognizeable kommie tactics - blame the victim for the things you have done.
You know what it its not? An argument.
>>80767861
Don't worry, we'll keep on keepin' on sending you those hard earned dollars to subsidize dem programs for dem Haredis n sheit.
>>80767953
Canada.
>>80767275
>>80766142
I find this pretty far fetched 2bh and would favor the all-individuals-get-to-own-guns interpretation in a strictly literal interpretation. What is more interesting imho is what the spirit or idea behind the statement regard thta so called militia is, which is more along the lines of >>80766244. There's no hint in the original (posted below) that this supposed militia is in any way democratic or organized by the people or anything like that. If anything I'd say it refers to the standard army (does the term militia have any specific meaning?). If it refers to any other armed group, then the 2nd amendment is seriously infringed cause that group doesn't actually exist on a state scale.
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>>80750102
basically this
JUST KIDDING FUCK ALL NIGGERS AND JEW SPIC LOVERS
>>80768106
You impotent leafs aren't subsidizing anything.
>>80768205
Not as much as the burgers, but you're still getting your pretty penny, don't worry.
>>80753754
Equal treatment might mean something different to him, seeing as he lived through the days when schools and water fountains were segregated, black kids could be murdered with impunity, and a racialist police state still held power in South Africa.
>>80768205
you don't know shit, and you use inflammatory language to cover for it.
>>80749654
no, but have a (You) for trying
>>80767793
Agree. Which is why a strictly literal interpretation is so stupid; especially so when one look at the broader document or the founders intention clearly evinces how the section should be read.
But there is enough ambiguity for Chomsky to make his case. Hence my opinion that he is not making an incorrect argument, just a dishonest one.
A strictly literal reading is the only way he can support his claim - and even then it is not conclusive.
The respnse to him should not be that literally the Constituion does/doesn't say that, but (1) literalism is not preferred method of interpretation and (2) every single other approach - from textualism to constructionism - supports the notion of people being allowed to bear arms.
>>80757865
Nice meme.
>>80750478
>It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit
>people to have guns.
The Jew throws this little chestnut first off which is completely wrong, then goes on to blame some mystical corporations for the governments abuse of authority. Guns are tools, the Jew is the only one applying emotion to the inanimate object. the so called "feeling" of being under attack. Bullshit.
>>80766280
Not true. He somewhat supported Chavez, but that's mostly it.
>>80768325
I apologize for my use of inflammatory language. It wasn't my intention to hurt anyone. It started out as innocent shitposting and somewhere along the line I got carried away, and although that doesn't excuse what I did, I'll try to avoid getting caught up in anger in the future.
>>80764827
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State [...]
What they meant is obviously that state militias shouldn't be disarmed by the federal government. How is this difficult for redneck amerifarts to understand? It even says "well-regulated", do you think Jefferson would have considered alcoholic bible humping trailer trash shooting beer cans with AR-15s a well-regulated militia? Pro-tip: He wouldn't have.
>>80750816
>It's never about arguments. It's about common sense and global vision
BIG ON IDEAS, SMALL ON SPECIFICS
sounds like a professional shitposter to me!
By the way Chomsky's specialty is linguistics, so prepare for bafflegab if you dig in!
>>80769026
fuck off, kike.
one day, the christ-cucks wont be running this country anymore and you're going to get whats coming to you, Impudent whelps
>>80769204
Am I not even allowed to apologize?
>>80768348
80% of that image is bullshit.
>>80768418
>The respnse to him should not be that literally the Constituion does/doesn't say that, but (1) literalism is not preferred method of interpretation and (2) every single other approach - from textualism to constructionism - supports the notion of people being allowed to bear arms.
Point well taken.
>>80766726
Why are you ignoring every other point in here?
I think it's obvious why, ahmed.
>>80769085
>linguistics expert
Makes a lot of sense that he knows how to talk more so than think.
>>80749654
>no ad hominem or other logical fallacies
Is it ad hominem to point out he's a kike and as a kike he has ulterior motives outside of the goyim of the US?
>>80749747
god damn that picture makes me happy
>>80750102
Chomsky's work reads like satire. If you want a good leftist, look into badiou or edmind wilson...
>>80749654
When has Chomsky ever been right about anything? Linguistics, perhaps- but he is an idiot uncle throwback Marxist crank. This is a guy who LOVED Chavez and Morales, thought Brazil being the future was a GOOD thing, and (((((he))))) would eagerly be personally providing pleasuring blowjobs to Stalin, Kim, and Mao if he just only could!
Pro-tip, genius: we are the good guys. God and the Americans are all that stand between you and Asian Rape Parades. But what am I saying- you Germans are into that type of perversity.
>>80769283
We're well past the time for apologies you slimy little kike.
>>80750506
he believed in race theory which gets debunked by anyone with a basic understanding of the scientific method
>>80769994
That's very sad.
>>80768030
It depends on how we define free terms. Are you really agreeing on free terms when you can't afford to say no? Sure, you can say No to that particular contract, but all the other contracts are not that different, and I think we agree having a large part of the population on unemployment benefits doesn't really work.
>>80767423
I think if we want capitalism to work like that and fulfill the control-your-own-work thing for big parts of the population (it would have to be fulfilled for >70% of people I'd say), massive and constant expropriation and wage regulation etc. would be necessary to hinder wealth accumulation. And I would argue everybody having their own enterprise (which you implied) would be massively inefficient.
>Everybody is free to start his own business and if his work is beneficial to others, he will succeed.
I can think of many many things you can do that are massively beneficial to others that would not put food on the table in a strictly capitalist society. For example developing Free Software. Is nigh impossible to do in a profitable manner, but wouldn't be an issue in an anarchist society.
>>80749654
chomsky is awesome. he should be president of the world.
>>80770103
For you.
>>80749654
Call me when he stops denying the role of evolution in the creation of language, supported by genetic research just because it denies his shitty theory of linguistics
>hurr all grammar is innate
he's literally a creationist of linguistics, his greatest work was disproven by science so he actively refuses to debate it
>>80749654
debunking means nothing.
i dont believe in arguments. i believe in just killing those who disagree with me.
cant argue if you are dead, kike.
>>80769317
What the 20% true part of it?
>>80769983
>Pro-tip, genius: we are the good goys. G-d and the Americans are all that stand between you and Asian Rape Parades. But what am I saying- you Germans are into that type of perversity.
FTFY
>>80769893
The term "leftist" is unhelpful.
Chomsky is a socialist-anarchist. Wilson and Badiou both apply and extend Marxian critiques. Lumping the two ideologies together is misleading.
>MUH GUNS
>MUH JEEZUS
>MUH ASSAULT RIFLES MUST BE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE TO PROTECT US FROM MUH EBIL GUBAMENT
Fun fuct, despite your weapons you are still a cucked 60% white country, with NSA spying on you 24/7 and a black muslim president
>>80770138
>For example developing Free Software. Is nigh impossible to do in a profitable manner,
What is linux?
>but wouldn't be an issue in an anarchist society.
How would you without creating some kind of hierarchy?
Is this the Chomsky that was literally defending the Red Khmers tooth and nail before, during and after proven to have the world record in massacre efficiency?
>>80770138
You can earn money with free software in a capitalist society, I even worked in a company that did that. You can crowdfund the whole thing, sell consulting, sell warranties for security patches and hotfixes, sell features and specialized changes, etc.
>Are you really agreeing on free terms when you can't afford to say no?
You have to make a living one way or another. You either create food and housing on your own, or you get others to give it to you voluntarily, usually by offering them services they need. The only alternative would be to use the state to take it by force, which would be immoral.
>>80771217
>complaining about someone defending a genocidal regime
>posts on /pol/
I'm sure your raise this pointed critique every time a Hitler thread is started right?
>An academic in an unrelated field has the arrogance to publish books about politics and is actually adopted as a political leader of sorts (except without any of the responsibility), mainly based upon the fact that he is intelligent.
Actually one of the most dangerous trends in the modern west. There is absolutely no evidence that academic skills make you a good leader. Even intelligence alone doesn't do it. Yet we follow these people, mostly because we don't have the spine to disagree with someone who has more '''''''qualifications''''''' than us.
>>80749654
why do you dumbasses answer these fucking people?
sage
>>80773225
Is there anything in his believe system that differs from basic bitch anarcho-communism?
Does he have any explanation on how that shit is supposed to work anarchistic, e.g. without an apocalyptic superstate that forces anyone to work at gunpoint and how its not supposed to drive anyone into poverty cause it removes the incentive to work?
>>80773660
I don't know, maybe to discuss Noam Chomsky?
>>80773225
>you need to study politics to be a good politician
>who is Eisenhower
Quite possibly one of the most stupid comments I have seen on this board, congratulations.
>>80763372
This definition works for me: For something to exist, it has to be located somewhere, otherwise, it is merely notional.
So far as rights, I see them as game rules.
>>80773225
>if i talk slowly enough and keep repeating the same talking points they'll lap it up
Outside of his field he sounds like every other leftists from the past 50 years.
>>80773660
What answers?
>>80774058
MADMAN
>>80774138
>An outlier like Eisenhower
>comparing the two
>>80774138
>study politics
nice strawman
>>80770992
>>80772316
>What is linux?
Hm. Guess I was wrong. I'll ignore the many projects for which that is not the case (e.g. broad parts of the linux desktop).
>>80770992
>How would you without creating some kind of hierarchy?
You just develop the stuff and then call upon others to help out of free association. There's some hierarchy there, but since it's Free Software, anybody who's unhappy with the way things are done in the project is able to make and announce a fork and call upon others to help out of free association. You could also appoint the leader in democratic fashion or maybe have none at all.
>>80772316
>You have to make a living one way or another.
Well, the anarchist vision is a system without any money and where the means of production (corporations, tools, farms, the land, houses) are collectively owned. Peter Kropotkin for example argues in Conquest of Bread (100yrs old, great read, available here: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23428/23428-h/23428-h.htm) that probably around 5hrs a day of work by every individual* would suffice to provide all necessities if we actually produced in order to cover the needs of people instead of producing for profits and selling on the market place. You go to the supermarket and just grab the stuff you need, no paying involved. Hoarding doesn't benefit you in any manner, cause you can't sell anything, and of what use are for example 200 t-shirts to you? No point in taking 200 t-shirts. Anything that is available in abundance anyone can take freely from where it's stored, and what's scarce is distributed in some regulated fashion, first to those that most need it. Housing gets built and assigned based on communal agreement (a family with 5 kids is probably gonna receive a larger appartment than a single young person, tough luck).
>>80773958
how about the idea some people actually *want* to work on their own? Most members of society are willing to be productive and can't stand being idle.
