Trump has repeatedly denied that global warming exists. What's your opinion /pol/?
>killing your economy to appease reddit faggots and the (((greens)))
if he's the president, it doesn't matter what he thinks of climate change
climate change will be solved by the free market, as the specific challenges present themselves
ideally, a president will stay out of it
>>80691649
>denied
That heretic!!
Someone call the Climate Change Inquisition!!!
Global warming was created by Jews to prop up their investments in third world shit holes.
>>80691882
>climate change will be solved by the free market
yea nah m8 you're a fucking retard
>>80691757
>>80691944
What is the economic/political motivation behind making up global warming?
>>80692035
A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”
Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)
Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”
In 1988, a former Canadian Minister of the Environment told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”
Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France said: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#1a566c5076fb
>>80692035
money laundering through faux charity funds, legitimizing "climate change refugees", vulture capitalism in 3rd world shitholes, monopolizing influence in said 3rd world shitholes, funneling wealth to 3rd world shitholes
I believe in climate change but I still support Trump on almost every other issue.
>>80691882
You're a fucking retard if you think this and actually read scientific journals or magazines or even fucking Internet articles and haven't gathered by now that immediate reaction to climate is still delayed reaction. By that time it will be too late. We've already got 1.5 degrees Celsius in the works. 2 total, and we are fucked.
>>80691649
climate change is a thing that has always been happening and there is nothing anybody can about it in fact it will probably be a good thing since it will make some areas like siberia more habitable
>>80692307
>(((scientific journals or magazines)))
name one
>>80692184
Good, fuck industrial civilization.
>>80691649
Real, but a nonfactor. The issue is pushed to bait idealistic college kids into voting democrat.
It's like they think the state agencies will evaporate and all remediation technology will disappear if we don't have another democrat in the White House.
>>80691649
repeatedly denying Trump exists doesn't make him go away either.
:(
>>80692385
we oughta round up all the hippies and save the world from overpopulation and put a 9mm through their skulls
fucking retarded nigger loving pinkos
>>80691649
You heard the man.
>>80692376
Holy shit, my point is the most basic shit like even pop science shit like SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN MAGAZINE which is almost brain dead ez to understand is above your head if you can't comprehend that the climate takes years to react to changes and has a delayed response.
>>80691649
No candidate is perfect.
I don't agree with everything he says, but he is without a doubt the best Presidential candidate we have seen in over 30 years. If not longer.
>>80692549
>We've already got 1.5 degrees Celsius in the works. 2 total, and we are fucked.
give specific articles you dipshit cuck
Do any of you not think that there could be an economic/political motivation behind denying that global warming exists? Oil companies benefit from as many cars as possible on the road, as well as running on fossil fuels.
A M E R I C A F I R S T.
>>80692639
oil is not profitable anymore
Manmade climate change is nowhere near as the bad as the climate change industry makes it out to be.
Sea levels haven't risen fuck all. The globe hasn't warmed any more than it would have.
The climate change industry makes up these scares to ensure the cash keeps coming and they keep their jobs.
Don't give a fuck
Its influence on human is overblown, more benefit would be obtained from changing our city development habits now instead of pretending the trend is reversible, and most new pollution is coming from the third world, while the west has been reducing its output for a long time. Yet liberal fucks like Trudeau will still blame westerners and try to tax us for what's increasingly China, India, and Brazil's problem.
>>80692272
>I believe in climate change
Father. Son. And, Holy Climate Change.
There are True Believers. And, then there are Evil Deniers.
Anyone who denies the one true religion should be tortured in the public square until they repent.
It's for their own good.
>>80692762
this
it's the new religion
It's time to throw around charts. Whatever correlates is whatever fits your agenda.
>>80691649
He's right, and the leftists conspiracy theory that global warming exists has been dis-proven many times over. We need more critical thinkers like Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg
Daily reminder:
* A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2C.
* The General Circulation Models, and the IPCC, predict 2-8C of warming because AGW theory assumes a positive H2O feedback. They assume that if CO2 causes a little warming, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor which will lead to a lot of warming.
* The warming predictions cover such a large range because everyone assumes a different average H2O feedback rate.
* Every GCM based on this assumption has failed to model temperatures for the past 15 years. They are all trending too high.
* In the late 1990's the modelers themselves stated that if they missed their predictions for more then a decade that would falsify AGW theory.
* There is no data to suggest a +H2O feedback either now or in Earth's past.
* If there is no +H2O feedback then we literally have nothing to worry about.
* The average climate change believer knows none of this. Politicians, citizens, activists, surprisingly even a lot of scientists are literally ignorant of the theory and the math. In their mind it's simply "CO2 = bad" and "experts say we're warming faster then ever."
>>80691649
its not man made
>>80692851
see >>80692244 and >>80691757
>unironically believing even if climate change was 100% caused my mankind the US of A could do anything about it
>>80691649
There is only a 0.3% consensus among scientists that global warming is man made.
Many well respected scientists even disagree that the earth is getting warmer at all.
It does, but there's not much anyone can do about it, and it doesn't really matter. So my verdict is that global warming exists but global warming problem does not exist, not does any reason to take it into account in decision making.
>mfw the same people pitching global warming are the same people denying The Clinton Foundation's shady dealings
Strange considering how there's considerably less dots to connect to prove Hillary's a fraud.
>>80692035
1. Billions of money (both research and things like carbon tax).
2. Ever closer union of countries -> One world governance
Question. If we have a large amount of deserts that are made of silicon and carbon, and we have technology powered by silicon, and we can make glass by taking silicon and oxygen, why can't we just take all of the deserts, all of the carbon in the air and just replace plastic with glass? Glass is renewable energy.
>>80691886
>>80692729
>Manmade climate change is nowhere near as the bad as the climate change industry makes it out to be.
Heretic!
Heathen!!
DENIER!!!
Pay three Hail Carbon Credits, and don't forget to tip on the way out.
I hope the planet cracks in half and we all fucking die due to chaos, atmosphere never having mattered. A man can dream.
>>80693054
and vice versa.
>>80692615
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150327091016.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/opinions/sutter-sea-level-climate/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_sea_level
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/
http://ss6m.climatecentral.org/
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/antarctica-meltdown-could-double-sea-level-rise/
http://sciencenordic.com/cop21-what-does-two-degrees-celsius-global-warming-look
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/23/science/global-warming-sea-level-carbon-dioxide-emissions.html?_r=0
tl;dr
http://www.ipcc.ch/
http://climate.nasa.gov/
>Ask a climate change denier what evidence would convince him it's real
>Literally no response
Every time
>>80691649
Global warming, I thought we were fixing to go into an ice age soon because the sun was fixing to go into some kinda hibernation period
>>80693211
>deserts that are made of silicon and carbon
>made of silicon and carbon
and is crystallized silicon dioxide, you utter moron
if you could extract pure silicon off of it easily, the electronics industry would boom
>>80693343
>>Ask a climate change denier what evidence would convince him it's real
>>Literally no response
>Every time
That's because there is no way to demonstrate humans are creating something that happens naturally. The burden of proof is on you, and there is no reasonable way to arrive at that.
>>80693074
And there are also many people like John Derbyshire, with solid STEM backgrounds and an acceptance of the case, but who then reject the idea that we must give the government massive new powers to fix it.
The western world is a drop of water in a big bowl when it comes to carbon emissions. Countries like India and China don't restrict themselves, so we essentially allow them to build tons of factories while we close ours down.
>we're on the brink of world war 3
>dude lmao the climate though
>>80692851
CO2 is plant food. It makes the earth greener. Plants love CO2, all life on earth is based on Carbon.
>>80691882
>climate change will be solved by the free market
what
>>80691649
I've sat on an IPCC review panel for Oceanography-related climate research. I can assure you that upwards of 90% of what you hear has been swollen with buzz words as well as data being skewed, omitted or outright ignored if the data doesn't fit the narrative. There is VERY HIGH incentive to keep the government bux influx.
Some of these people I've had to deal with treat Climate Change as their religion and sole purpose in life, and they are not about to concede and lose their grants or recognition.
>>80693343
There is no evidence that it is real. That's like asking what evidence would convince atheists that god is real. They don't believe in god because god is a social construct created to perpetuate religion, religion to perpetuate morals.
Global warming is designed to perpetuate eco-friendly-ism, which seeks extra-terrestrial solutions, to go into space, you need resources, the entire world has enough resources, ergo
Global Warming = globalist myth
>>80693362
WE ALL GONNA FREEZE TO DEATH!!!1!
“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “At the present rate of nitrogen build-up, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable."
“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
April 28, 1975 Newsweek “There are ominous signs that Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically….The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it….The central fact is that…the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down…If the climate change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”
1976 Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,”: “This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”
July 9, 1971, Washington Post: “In the next 50 years fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to ten years could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
June, 1975, Nigel Calder in International Wildlife: “The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.”
>>80693326
>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/
>Scientific American is part of [[[Springer]]] Nature
>http://sciencenordic.com/cop21-what-does-two-degrees-celsius-global-warming-look
>Source: [[[Strauss]]] et al.
>>80692307
>We've already got 1.5 degrees Celsius in the works
No, we don't. The global "warming" is caused by abolishing weather stations and keeping only the ones in the warmest places.
A huge hoax.
>>80693326
>nasa.gov
>>80693687
>Germany
>>80693587
>>80693580
>>80693512
Jews. You fucking filthy Jews. Climate change is a product of the rich filthy Jews who would rather keep their factories in China open longer.
A brief history of climate change science:
YO ITS GONNA BE THE ICE AGE SOON
YO ITS GONNA BE WATERWORLD SOON
YO NEVERMIND THE ICE AGE IS ON LOCK
YO ITS GLOBAL WARMING WE'RE ALL GONNA FRY
YO ITS CLIMATE CHANGE NOW WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON BUT ITS BAD TRUST US
WELL YEAH SCIENCE PROVES TRUMP IS A RETARD
The debate is over, and it is time we act
>pic related
>believing in man made global warming
>not believing all the evidence of it being completely made up
http://smallthoughts.com/climategate/
>>80693580
>Global warming is designed to perpetuate eco-friendly-ism, which seeks extra-terrestrial solutions, to go into space, you need resources, the entire world has enough resources
Holy shit, that's an airtight argument
>>80693419
You could demonstrate that this steep of a spike in global temperature is comparable to anything else in history. If not, that's a huge hole in that theory
>>80693791
>Jews. You fucking filthy Jews.
Has nothing to do with Jews. Has something to do with women. Women always vote for the green bullshit. Women love the green bullshit.
By attacking Jews, you're protecting the real enemy: Women.
>>80693687
Just wait, faggot. Just you wait, buddy. When all the migrants are coming from the coastal regions within the next fifteen years, flooding your towns, storms are fucking flipping over your car, flooding you out, disease is spreading, fucking little bugs and weeds you thought belonged in some god damned sci fi movie taking over your backyard. Just wait. Human beings will be the ultimate cucks.
>>80693587
This means that half of all factories and cars should be from the 70's, so their cooling effects will counteract the warming effects of modern industry. Easy!
>>80693911
>You could demonstrate that this steep of a spike in global temperature is comparable to anything else in history. If not, that's a huge hole in that theory
I suppose you could. But then you'd have to get passed all the manipulated data trying to present such a thing.
http://smallthoughts.com/climategate/
Just a friendly reminder to anyone who can't make his own opinions and wants to have the correct ones... /pol/ has always been right. Agree with /pol/ to be sure.
Gotta be real hardcore contrarian to deny the scientific consensus. That or a full blown tinfoil wrapped nutcase who will believe anything as long as they get to feel smarter than people who hold the popular view. That said the U.S. can only do so much about climate change when you have places like China and India that give absolutely zero fucks and would terraform us into Venus if they could make some economic progress while they do it. Things are going to get real bad either way and there isn't any option to undo the damage, only slow it.
>>80691649
Throughout the 70's the democrats argued that there would be a new ice age. Then they changed it to global warming.
That alone should tell you all you need to know. This is Orwellian. This is 2 + 2 = 5 level. This is them literally abusing the stupidest people possible just to get their votes. First they tell you the evil Republicans will make you freeze to death - Then they tell you they'll make you burn to death. They angrily demonize the skeptics, then they do a complete 180 and all their little sheep follow them without question. When they read what I'm typing right now, they don't even see the contradiction. They just go "oh look it's another one of those stupid right wingers". That's how stupid and brainwashed they are.
Once people really began to call them out on this contradiction, they started calling it "climate change". Climate change has always been happening, it's not man-made, it's natural, and it's not a threat to the planet. And they keep telling us the world will end, and they are the only people who can save us. How many failed predictions will it take for people to catch on to the fact that this apocalypse they keep warning us about isn't going to happen?
>>80693947
>>80693920
>>80693911
>>80693893
>>80693850
>>80693802
>>80693791
>>80693786
>>80693687
LADS TIME TO TROLL BLM >>>80680256
>>80693791
I was not invited back after calling a few researchers on their shilling. I am far from a Jew, my friend. I'm an environmental scientist that refuses to buy into the utter nonsense and chicken little shit.
>>80693644
The weather stations have been heavily discredited. There were tons of inconsistencies to weather station type, location, proximity to buildings and asphalt, type of sensors used, calibration etc. etc.
>>80694115
Why not just #Boycotton?
>>80692184
But Anons, what if you're wrong?
>>80693802
It's basically all those in reverse. First, we're going to fry. As that happens, seas will rise. The atmosphere will probably literally fucking evaporate. And then we'll be frozen to distal Mercury temperatures (which is right next to the Sun yet frozen on one side).
>>80691649
Global Warming shouldn't be a concern compared to the real damage we've done.
>>80692357
First reasonable answer.
>>80691882
>climate change will be solved by the free market
>>80694241
then global government doesn't have a tool to trump national sovereignties and we can all eventually burn to death happily and free.
>>80693074
>There is only a 0.3% consensus among scientists that global warming is man made.
Oh really? Because leftists always push that "97%" of scientists agree that it is man-made, because of that """study""" done by biased college students """"""proving"""""" it.
>>80694105
The 97% crap was an Australian shitpost you liberal faggots love to puke up constantly.
>“only 41 papers — 0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent,” endorsed what Cook claimed.
Surely the most suspicious “97 percent” study was conducted in 2013 by Australian scientist John Cook — author of the 2011 book Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand and creator of the blog Skeptical Science (subtitle: “Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism.”). In an analysis of 12,000 abstracts, he found “a 97% consensus among papers taking a position on the cause of global warming in the peer-reviewed literature that humans are responsible.” “Among papers taking a position” is a significant qualifier: Only 34 percent of the papers Cook examined expressed any opinion about anthropogenic climate change at all. Since 33 percent appeared to endorse anthropogenic climate change, he divided 33 by 34 and — voilà — 97 percent! When David Legates, a University of Delaware professor who formerly headed the university’s Center for Climatic Research, recreated Cook’s study, he found that “only 41 papers — 0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent,” endorsed what Cook claimed. Several scientists whose papers were included in Cook’s initial sample also protested that they had been misinterpreted. “Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain,” Legates concluded.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle
From the skeptical science website, ran by the great Australian scientist John Cook:
>This site was created by John Cook. I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist and web programmer by trade
http://web.archive.org/web/20080213042858/http://www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3
>>80692357
except when all the methane under the tundra in Siberia escapes and fucks up the global climate even more
>>80691649
who gives a shit
BUILD THE DAMN WALL
>>80691649
He will lose anyway, so who cares?
>>80693500
Well, if you instituted a Pigouvian carbon tax you could argue that the market would work the rest out.
Given that /pol/ is full of anti-intellectual, uneducated right-wingers that believe in every conspiracy known to man, I doubt that is what he meant.
>>80694344
>leftists always push that "97%" of scientists agree that it is man-made, because of that """study""" done by biased college students """"""proving"""""" it.
From the skeptical science website, ran by the great Australian scientist John Cook:
>This site was created by John Cook. I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist and web programmer by trade
http://web.archive.org/web/20080213042858/http://www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3
But, I repeat myself.
>>80694367
Yup
And here's the study.
Notice how 66% didn't even take a position. AKA: the majority of scientists are actually scientists.
Absolutely hilarious how that cherry picked 97.1% mean was then derived. Most of the faggots citing it have never even seen this study.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article
>>80691649
Global warming exists but it has nothing to do with humans.
Yearly natural CO2 production with vulcanic activity is greater than all CO2 ever made by humanity since monkeys invented fire.
Humans are too small to actually affect climate on entire planet.
>first its global warming
>now its climate change
>there really isn't enough data to confirm the theory
>>80694344
Obligatory graph.
>>80694367
Dude what? Are you saying that there isn't a scientific consensus on this? It very overwhelming supports the theory for anthropocentric climate change. But go ahead and post something from abovetopsecret or whatever that you think conclusively shows otherwise. All the scientists are paid off and you know more about climatology than the entire field does amirite?
>>80692001
What's your solution then, squatman?
>>80692357
Earth's climate has been in an ever changing frenzy ever since it was formed, from how the earth shifted violently in the beginning, to the multiple ice ages and such. The temperature never stays the same for long, as with time the climate shifts on it's own.
Global warming is just a religion that humans came up with to try and make ourselves feel more powerful and important than we really are, that we are the ones causing our climate to change, that we are the ones destroying the earth. This is false. The earth will not be destroyed by our tiny little pokes, it has gone through so much worse.
Currently studying Geology in Texas A&M University.
>>80694644
>cooling was the first meme
>>80694643
Shill? Like that's the most cookie cutter shilliest bullshit I have ever heard. Do you not understand that we're not just humans. We're humans driving cars, constantly pumping gas, fueling and flying airplanes. Running factories.
Huehue, too small. And a swarm of fire ants in the Amazon which are too small to do shit can completely devour a human being.
/pol/ has lost all credibility to me with this thread. You guys are majority blue pill swallowing. It's unreal.
>>80693587
NEVERMIND GUYS, WE GONNA BE FINE. FALSE ALARM!!!
January 2000 Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund (in a NY Times interview) on mild winters in New York: “But it does not take a scientist to size up the effects of snowless winters on children too young to remember the record-setting blizzards of 1996. For them, the pleasures of sledding and snowball fights are as out-of-date as hoop-rolling, and the delight of a snow day off from school is unknown.”
1969, Lubos Moti, Czech physicist: “It is now pretty clearly agreed that CO2 content [in the atmosphere] will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near the earth’s surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter.”
Michael Oppenheimer, 1990, The Environmental Defense Fund: “By 1995, the greenhouse effect will be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…”(By 1996) The Platte River of Nebraska will be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers…The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”
June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the U.N. Environment Program.
Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event. … Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”
David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 20 March 2000
>>80694643
>Yearly natural CO2 production with vulcanic activity is greater than all CO2 ever made by humanity since monkeys invented fire.
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/global_warming_misinformation_volcanoes.html
That's a stale maymay you've got there.
>>80694734
>All the scientists
actually most scientists don't make a conclusion on the issue as it requires more data.
Read the damn study. 66% don't conclude in the study your "97% agree" comes from. Stop spewing memes and read it.
>>80694872
HOLY. SHIT. Not knowing what HOMEOSTASIS is, >2011. Basic bitch biology.
>>80695081
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024;jsessionid=C97B765FA94F30D2B1C69FF87D136788.c5.iopscience.cld.iop.org
I've always been afraid to kill myself, so having mother earth do it for me would be pretty cool desu
>>80695216
http://archive.is/JGpW2
Yeah, m8, geocities.edu.
>>80694734
>>80691882
>>80691649
It's something to take seriously, but is not as apocalyptically bad as the Al Gore faggots were claiming. Even with China's industrialization, we're looking at maybe another net 1 C increase over the next century, more than enough time to develop techniques and technologies that could scrub greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere.
The biggest concern is power - fossil fuels are an environmental and economic dead end.
We need to invest in all available alternatives - upgrading existing hydroelectric facilities, building more wind and solar, expanding natural gas usage, and substantially more nuclear fission.
Uranium fission is a proven, safe, and efficient means of generating large amounts of power long enough for us to develop a better long-term solution like fusion.
>>80692272
This.
>>80692272
>>80695344
Well you're going against science. Most scientists don't take a position on the issue because of lack of data.
>>80695297
>>80695136
I never gave any "97%" number so I don't know why you keep bringing that up. And all you've done is show that the papers that make conclusions about the anthropogenic nature of climate change are still overwhelmingly in support of that theory.
>>80695447
>And all you've done is show that the papers that make conclusions about the anthropogenic nature of climate change are still overwhelmingly in support of that theory.
So what you're saying is you're disregarding the majority of science that feels there is not enough data to conclude?
I stand with the majority scientific community on this.
>>80692695
wew
>>80695540
As long as you feel smarter than me I suppose. Good for you.
>>80695343
You haven't connected the fossil fuels to the AGW yet?
The powers that be can't just say they want to horde the remaining fossil fuels to ensure a future for a highly mechanized global totalitarian police state, they have to scare people into accepting it on some other premise - of course to save earth. The tactics of the church never change, we must subjugate you to save you bullshit. Church of climate change, their priests are climate scientists who diddle their super computer models all day and manifest prophecies of doom, the tithe is carbon taxation. There is nothing new under the sun and neither is false opposition like Trump. Someone has to deny it or there would be no heretics!
>>80694110
>and it's not a threat to the planet.
True. It is a threat to humans, though.
This is the true evil of the Climate Change religion. All their shreiking and whooping and hollering is a distraction.
The climate is changing. It's always changing. Humans interbred with Neandertals over 35,000 years ago.
Agriculture and civilization came about over 20,000 years later, when the climate was favorable to human development.
What we need is real science to predict where the climate will be in 10, 20, 50, 100 years, so we can adapt and prepare.
Buying and selling Carbon Credits (Indulgences) is religion, and useless.
>>80695432
>I think paper abstracts are a proxy for author positions.
It's time for you to go back to Scotland, fruitloop.
>>80691649
My opinion is that even though 98% of scientists want to say it's a problem, I'm reminded that 98% of "scientists" thought the world was flat and caused Galileo to die in dishonor and poverty.
HOWEVER, seeing as how oil and natural gas are not renewable resources, it's still a good idea to keep refining means of harnessing energy with renewable resources so that in the future, it won't be as big of an issue.
Donald Trump is an anti-semite
>>80695793
While it is true that the global elite are shitbags and probably taking advantage of the situation, it doens't mean that it isn't actually happening or that it isn't caused and/or heavily influenced by human activity. Again, blue pill. "I don't want to believe that, so I'm going to pretend it's not happening and read and absorb and assimilate as many 'factoids' I can that lend toward MY bias."
>>80695831
Author positions are 65% "no position". What's you're point?
>>80695888
This takes the cake for the dumbest fucking post I've seen on this board today. Congratulations.
>>80695899
Oy vey shut it down!
>>80691649
Climate change/global warming/next ice age is for gullible retards. It's one of the biggest scams ever done next to Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton had repeatedly denied that nigger crime exists. What's your opinion, /pol/?
>>80695888
>My opinion is that even though 98% of scientists
when will this meme die?
>>80695297
>>80695970
Especially since shit like that takes a very fucking long time to even do. Earth time is not the same as human time.
I believe in anthropogenic global warming, but I'm not really interested in it as a political question, nor am I particularly bothered by Trump simply dismissing it out of hand.
>>80692357
Areas like Siberia more habitable. Yes, Siberia needs more melted ice and permafrost tundra, right? So it can be...what....a colossal swamp 27/7/365 instead of just a few months of the year? Any idea how many mosquitoes that would generate, austrigger? Didn't think so. Nor have you ever thought about it, so we can ignore your moronic input.
>>80695888
>oil and natural gas are not renewable resources
This isn't actually true. Many of the wells that were empty decades ago have been recently found to be partially filled.
The hypothesis of oil being crushed plankton is losing credibility, it seems more likely that it's a by-product made by some extremeophile bacteria.
>>80695970
Fucking glaciers the size of Manhattan melting and falling into the sea, and then you. Whew lad. I wonder which I should heed.
>>80696119
Anon, come now, at least post a crazy source
Now I'm reminded how stupid people on this board really are. Threads like this make me reevaluate every political stance that stands in any similarity to /pol/'s popular views. You are the stupidest fucking people on the planet. Maybe I really should vote for Hillary and support social justice and want to ban guns. This board is a living breathing demonstration of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action.
At one time humans believed they couldn't pollute the rivers and the ocean because they were too big.
We need to boost our economy to get a leg up on china. so for now, global warming does not exist.
>>80696283
I agree. Anyone who thinks global climate isn't an issue for their at least semi-immediate future is fucking brain dead. Definitely their children's futures. With the deniers, there's no point in even having children unless you really want them in Hell.
>>80696283
>Now I'm reminded how stupid people on this board really are. Threads like this make me reevaluate every political stance that stands in any similarity to /pol/'s popular views. You are the stupidest fucking people on the planet. Maybe I really should vote for Hillary and support social justice and want to ban guns. This board is a living breathing demonstration of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action.
>I have no argument so I'm just going to insult everyone
>>80696286
That was probably correct, too, until the scale of industrial society made the impossible possible.
>>80696286
>At one time humans believed
Belief is both a blessing and a curse.
Belief is a beneficial evolutionary trait.
As long as that trait is with us, we will have religion. Abandon one, and people will create or flock to another, usually even more retarded than the first.
>>80696119
Source
>>80696434
>>80695888
>Galileo
wut
First, natural philosophers knew the world wasn't flat from ancient times.
Secondly, Galileo was an advocate for Copernican heliocentrism, and his opposition was mostly of the religious nature, although there were criticisms of the model from some astronomers based upon faulty assumptions.
>>80696270
eg.
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Are-Oil-Wells-Recharging-Themselves.html
>>80696440
Wow anon really zinged me there boy do I see the error of my ways here's a pic of me saluting you for not proving my point.
>>80695941
Not all papers about climate change have to be about climate change. The study you posted examined all papers that had to do with climate change, not just if climate change exists or not. The 66% you mention is comprised of both papers that are uncertain of climate change, but also papers that have nothing to do with saying if climate change is real or not. Saying 66% of scientists have no position because they don't have enough evidence is misinterpreting the data.
>>80691649
He's right.
>>80696283
As if Hillary gives a shit about the environment.
>>80691649
>Anthropogenic global warming
What caused the earth to warm during the years of the Roman empire? Caesar's industres INC.?
>>80696581
One Austrailian guy (Austrailia) vs. the overwhelming majority of the scientific community consisting of hundreds of thousands of professionals. Thanks man, I'll take this into consideration!!
>>80696775
Cow gas.
>>80692695
>oil is not profitable anymore
lol what the fuck
>>80696722
inb4 your post is completely ignored.
>>80691649
It exist, it just doesn't make any considerable impact as propaganda would make you believe
>>80696923
It currently costs more to extract than it's worth, the same as happened to coal.
>>80696641
>pic related
>look at my beard. Now you know I'm serious.
>i'm wearing a stocking hat IN SUMMER. That's how you know I'm super cereal.
>the only way to avoid hell is to buy Indulgences from Pope Gore I.
>>80696722
Mein Fuher this goes against /pol/'s views! IGNORE THIS POST QUICK CALL THIS GUY A SJW KEK
>>80696840
I didn't know humans stopped domesticating cows between the XV and the XIX century, when the global temperatures dropped. Makes you think, huh?
>>80691649
It is a safety mechanism against nigger overpopulation, earth warms and cools periodically to keep the nigger population in check. Warmer, moist periods cause an explosion of disease in Africa, while at the same time starving them of water even more.
Not even Earth likes niggers.
>>80691649
He's repeatedly affirmed that global warming exists
>>80697035
Ice is melting worldwide, especially at the Earth’s poles. This includes mountain glaciers, ice sheets covering West Antarctica and Greenland, and Arctic sea ice.
Researcher Bill Fraser has tracked the decline of the Adélie penguins on Antarctica, where their numbers have fallen from 32,000 breeding pairs to 11,000 in 30 years.
Sea level rise became faster over the last century.
Some butterflies, foxes, and alpine plants have moved farther north or to higher, cooler areas.
Precipitation (rain and snowfall) has increased across the globe, on average.
Spruce bark beetles have boomed in Alaska thanks to 20 years of warm summers. The insects have chewed up 4 million acres of spruce trees.
Other effects could happen later this century, if warming continues.
Sea levels are expected to rise between 7 and 23 inches (18 and 59 centimeters) by the end of the century, and continued melting at the poles could add between 4 and 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters).
Hurricanes and other storms are likely to become stronger. (They already have.)
Species that depend on one another may become out of sync. For example, plants could bloom earlier than their pollinating insects become active.
Floods and droughts will become more common. Rainfall in Ethiopia, where droughts are already common, could decline by 10 percent over the next 50 years.
Less fresh water will be available. If the Quelccaya ice cap in Peru continues to melt at its current rate, it will be gone by 2100, leaving thousands of people who rely on it for drinking water and electricity without a source of either.
Some diseases will spread, such as malaria carried by mosquitoes.
This was all said in 2007. The globe has warmed faster than anticipated since then.
>>80691649
Personally I hope it does exist and I hope no one does anything about it. Conflict breeds creativity. And there is nothing like an extinction event to cause conflict. Either we get off this rock after we have sucked its resources dry or we die as a species, either way I'll be long dead before that happens with zero fucks to give. If my descendants can't figure out a way to survive then they don't deserve to survive.
>>80691649
Climate Change is a thing, but it's largely not dependant on human activity unless we really fuck up hard. And to be honest, calling it 'global warming' is a really stupid way to name climate change.
>>80691649
That he's wrong. I can still like the guy and think of it as a relatively minor issue when I agree with him on most other things.
>>80691757
>one volcano changes the climate more than 300 years of human"greenhouse gasses"
Totally real
>>80697261
Nobody reply to this post unless you post hard refuting evidence from godlikeproductions or conservapedia! /pol/ is always right and every popular view on /pol/ is absolutely correct follow it like a religion and ignore this man.
>>80697319
>'global warming' is a really stupid way to name climate change.
Climate Change is largely overstated, but it's very hard for me to support any leader who doesn't positively address the ongoing destruction of our natural habitat.
Environmentalism SHOULD be a cornerstone of moral conservativism (ala Roger Scruton). The rejection of 'green' principles by the bulk of prominent right-wing candidates is one of my greatest political disappointments. I'm very surprised more people don't have an inclination toward nature-loving, institution-protecting, family-centric Burkean conservativism. Especially as Emerson is the absolute centre of American culture whereas his British equivalents (Wordsworth, Carlyle, Lamb) are basically much less influential.
>>80697319
A simple Wikipedia search on "the scientific opinion on climate change" renders the following:
The scientific opinion on climate change is the overall judgment among scientists regarding the extent to which global warming is occurring, its causes, and its probable consequences. This scientific opinion is expressed in synthesis reports, by scientific bodies of national or international standing, and by surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewed publications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these respected reports and surveys.
The scientific consensus is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and that it is extremely likely (meaning 95% probability or higher) THAT HUMANS ARE CAUSING MOST OF IT through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels. In addition, it is likely that some potential further greenhouse gas warming has been offset by increased aerosols.
>>80696110
because as well all know mosquitoes prevent any and all other organisms from living there too
>>80697165
The Little Ice Age was Satan's way of tempting you to leave the One True Path.
The Climate never changed before humans, steeped in Original Sin, became a plague upon the Earth.
Trump is a demon of the First Order, sent to spread lies. If you listen long enough, he will pollute your mind with tales that the Earth is over 6000 years old.
Those are tricks. Fancies. God created ice core samples to test your faith.
>>80697261
its sad man its literally all to real, the hive mind on this board makes issues like this dangerous for the future. Thanks for spreading the awareness
>>80697634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw
>>80691649
is this tard wearing makeup?
hahaaha holy shit what a faaag
>>80696614
>heliocentrism
Ah, someone finally caught that, good job anon. However, like someone else mentioned in this thread, the people pushing the climate change meme are almost a cult at this point anyway, so what's the difference?
>>80691649
Not a big surprise.
Just a time go to REAL NATURE DISASTERS
al gore make good monkey
time to some truth.
>>80691649
Isn't Trump the only candidate who wants more investment in nuclear? Even if it's not because he wants to save the environment, that still makes this point a little meaningless. Regardless, China is the vast majority of the human impact on global warming. If you want the world to heal, go to fucking China and make them change.
>>80691649
Who gives a shit?
If things are truly as bad as they are, the only thing that would help is purging the developing world, china, and india.
>>80697750
Red herring much? Way to completely leave a non sequitur response. The "97%" thing has been covered, and my paragraph was talking about a 95% PROBABILITY of majority-cause anthropogenesis.
>>80697913
>al gore make good monkey
money kek
best news compilation on theme
https://www.sott.net/category/4-Earth-Changes
>>80696110
>27 hours in a day
>>80691649
wrong, shit bag.
he's said it's a HOAX. hoax = meant to deceive. you can LIE about something while it's still PARTIALLY true.
pick up a book you clueless idiot.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data-tampering-at-ushcngiss/
billions of fraud data
>>80691882
Anyone thinking this guy is retarded is themselves retarded.
In a truly free market, we'd see the rise of Nuclear energy, which would solve the problem
>>80698230
slowpoke.jpg. See:
>>80692307
>>80697634
Wikipedia is also ran out of California.
Besides, this is just argumentum ad populum anyway
>>80693644
>>80698230
No, nuclear energy requires subsidized insurance to protect against catastrophic losses.
So lolbertarians oppose those subsidies, and a subset of enviroloonies just are afraid of nuclear anything.
We should have been building reactors for the last three decades, but nah.
>>80691649
Earth is getting hotter because of our pollution. That's just how it is, ameridumbs
But I don't belive taxing people will fix it.
At least he probably supports nuclear power, which is the only sensible replacement to coal, oil and gass. (And maybe solar panels, they are getting better and better. Wind is stupid)
>>80691882
the free market is not going to solve these sets of problems its like building roads or fighting war, it won't happen.
>>80691649
one of his weakness, straight up lies that will throw smart people off him.
>>80698388
>I may have been wrong about anthropogenic Climate Change in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, and the 2010s.
>but this time, I'm right. Double pinky swear!!
You deniers don't know what you're missing. We have picnics. And group hugs. Religion isn't just about torturing heretics, and burning witches. We have yard sales and block parties, too!!
I've researched warming extensively in college and figured it really doesn't matter and we can't do anything anyways. It is real and human caused, but its negative effects are strongly overblown because scientists see ecological effects and project an ECONOMIC impact when they don't have the expertise to do so.
For example, many studies show that GW would harm output of certain crops in certain regions, and project that famines will result. What this neglects is the possibility for substituting crops with better suited ones to the new climate as well as GMOs creating more resilient crops that could survive the changes.
Even if the scenarios these people envisioned came true, the first world would be mostly unaffected. Climate migrations would cause wars within the third world, but as long as the west doesn't let in a refugee horde we will be fine.
Not to mention any action on warming worldwide is useless as China and India won't go along with it under any circumstances.
>>80698230
>truly free market, we'd see the rise of Nuclear energy, which would solve the problem
no it wouldn't,
we need to tax carbon emission sources to account for the hidden damage their cause.
>>80698848
It... is... the 2010s??
Climate "scientists" have been completely wrong in every prediction they made. It shows they have a fundamental lack of understanding about the climate and are not to be trusted.
>>80691649
Nuclear Winter will cool the earth again.
>>80699132
>Climate "scientists" have been completely wrong in every prediction they made
What better criteria to use when choosing priests and prophets?
If fhere is evidence, then you don't truly believe
>>80699179
Except it's not just a "prediction". Much like evolution is based on fossils, climate change is based on things like ice core samples, i.e. carbon dating.
>>80692307
>muh 2 degrees
Just a number for politicians to parrot
>>80699439
Sorry, I should say, heavily supported by, not based on.
>>80699452
Sigh. Whatever faggot. Have fun dying of heat stroke or drowning in a flash flood.
>>80691649
why would anyone think anything the gov pushes so hard is anything but bullshit
>>80699484
>Sorry, I should say, heavily supported by, not based on.
But, do you BELIEVE, anon?
Belief separates men from mice, goyim from chosen.
Evidence is the tool of the devil.
Why do I bother coming to /pol/? It's bluepilled as fuck and full of dumb fucks with superiority complexes.
This circle jerking is on par with tumblr.
>>80700284
Stop that passive aggressive victim complexity bullshit.
I've been around enough feminists to decipher this.
