Why is this allowed...
>>80597938
What exactly is the ethical question raised?
It was fucking unethical though
Drone are in use and legal to kill in war. That means this is ok.
Did they blow up the robot in the process?
If so, what did that robot ever do to deserve that.
>>80597987
Probably something along the lines of robots shouldn't be capable of killing humans
>>80598025
#JusticeForR2Dindu
Have news organizations really been writing this shit?
It's not some new super advanced AI. You can do the exact same thing with a fucking remote controlled car from Wal-Mart.
>>80598065
>guns don't kill people, people kill people
>people with robots don't kill people, ROBOTS KILL PEOPLE
seriously nigga?
>>80598025
>shooting police is ethical
>blowing up a terrorist is unethical
Fuck off Mohammed
>>80597987
They did kinda kill the shit out of him while he was holed up.
It's a domestic law enforcement situation, not a war, so...
>>80597938
Pretty sure the only thing that's illegal is making them automated. As long as a human is controlling it, it's fine
>>80597938
How i this unethical? Should more policeman have died trying to kill sniper?
>>80597987
Why has it only been used once in this task?
>>80597938
kek, there's literally no actual ethical reason that it raises. Only dumb journos who want to write another >muh Terminator muh Elon Musk muh Stephen Hawking article think there is.
It's basically the land/street equivalent of drone strikes.
>>80597938
Anyone who kills cops is getting fucked up. If this was a normal case and they used a robot to blast someone that would be one thing. Cop killers are always dealt with more harshly than regular perps, just now with better technology
>>80598025
This guy was sniping people and swore he wanted to kill as many cops as he could. He was not going to cooperate. Killing him was an only option after trying to talk him down failed.
Might as well kill him without risking any more officers.
>>80598065
>>80598153
What's the ethical difference between using a robot instead of just burning the house down?
>>80598214
I honestly don't know.
>>80598288
Why not just wait him out? It's not like American law enforcement basically LIVE for standoffs that involve piling as much squad cars as possible into the area and just chilling with some Starbucks 'n Dunkin..
>>80598057
The robot was carrying a 1lb block of C4, so yea I assume it trashed the robot too.
>claymore bomb and landmine kills people
>.........
>robot kills people
>THIS IS WRONG!
>>80598153
Pretty sure he met the definition of dangerous felon that was a threat to the safety of the public
Doesn't matter if they shot him, blew him up or chainsawed him. Lethal force is lethal force, and the police have a duty to protect the public and themselves.
Hence, it was a good explosion.
>>80598339
>What's the ethical difference between using a robot instead of just burning the house down?
Neither are very ethical though..
>>80598391
#RobotLivesMatter
>>80598025
Yeah, wasting an expensive robot like that. Ah, well. What must be, must be.
>>80598025
>>80597987
The robot did nothing wrong and didn't deserve to die. Next time it should be equipped with a grenade launcher. #robotlivesmatter
>>80598339
It's not ethics, it's the presedan of the popo juts BTFOing someone with a killbot instead of going for an arrest.
He was surrounded, they could've waited him out.
>>80597938
it's probably the most amusing way to kill someone ever though
and the criticisms boil down to WAHHH THAT WASN'T PLAYING FAIR
>>80598025
The next step would have been SWAT going in to kill him, this is no different.
>>80598389
Wait him out to do what?, to come out eventually after a couple hours begging for food?.
"How can we get dumb, anti-government rednecks to support our militarized, robot police force?"
"What if we kill a nigger with one?"
>>80598389
They didn't know if he was the only threat at that time.
If he walked out with arms up they would have arrested him (heh, probably not).
>>80598426
My point is more that this isn't a new question. It's simply an extension of an existing question of whether or not law enforcement should attempt to make an arrest if the risk of causalities is high.
>/pol/ will defend this
Can't wait for you retards to cry foul when this comes marching down your street.
*BEEP BOOP BEEP*
Good evening citizen!
*WHIRRRRR*
I see you have a tail light out, sir! Are you aware this is a violation of Stature 8 Subsection 6?
*RUNS DIAGNOSTIC*
License and registration, please!
*SCANNING*
Well everything seems to be...
*EXPLODES*
>>80597938
As a black man this terrifies me. What kind of weapons are they hiding from us? We all know every government has super advanced secret weapons they keep just in case of emergeny like WWIII. Do they have advanced AI robots programmed to only gun down black men? Probably
>>80598466
>presedan
Precedent? Is this some Serb thing?
>He was surrounded, they could've waited him out.
Or he could have killed more people. I honestly don't see this as any different than just burning the fucking place down which happens more than anyone likes to admit.
The police chief of Dallas is a black man. So there's no issue.
Every city in america should find sane well-adjusted blacks for law enforcement, school boards, city council, etc. It solves a hell of a lot of problems.
MSNBC just mentioned that the suggestion to strap C4 to a robot came from SWAT commanders on the scene. I better not read any more shitposts about "hurr why didn't they use SWAT instead of a killer Terminator robot why do we even have SWAT if this is okay?"
>>80598135
This guy gets it.
>>80598466
>he's got a rifle and body armor
>narrow avenue of approach
>wait him out so he passes out from not eating/dehydration or shoots himself
Nah, nigger. Easier to just blow him up. He's going to die anyway, and no need to let him speak BLM shit on the air.
>>80597938
Let's frame it this way. What's the difference between a SWAT sniper taking out a subject and a piloted drone taking out a subject?
>>80598025
Should he have been armed with a spoon, then scooped the guy to death?
>>80598520
ED209 FER PRESIDENT!
>>80598583
So nothing of value lost? I'm game.
>>80597938
Because we don't want to risk human lives confronting these turbo niggers.
>>80598583
to be fair it's just probably a variant of the bomb defusal/ detonation robot except it did the opposite
not the newest thing ever
>>80598583
>RC "car"
>some HE
>super advanced scary shit
Come now, nigger. This is basic shit that you can make.
>>80598423
Spin the image around. It's triggering me that this is continuously posted upsidedown.
>>80598518
Suicide, surrender or perhaps more hostility.. Rolling in a robot and blowing him up while he wasn't directly threatening anyone at the time seems a bit harsh. Did they even give him the option to surrender when they put the bomb in place?
>>80598530
Of course it isn't a new question, which is why we already know the answer: It's not ethical.. Just like Waco or the Dorner situation were not ethical.
>muh risk of casualties
Inherent in the job.
>>80597938
Apes owning weapons should raise more questions.
This occurred to me for a second then I remembered this guy. Nothing you cunts do surprises me anymore.
>>80598659
The piloted drone approach eliminates risk for the officers.
Where's my prize?
>>80597987
One day, both human and Omnic will become one with the Iris. R2Dindu deserves justice.
No one tell faggot OP about ww2 and submarines.
His snatch might start bleeding.
>>80598426
>nigger shoots a good dozen people
>is it ethical to blow him the fuck up with our fancy rc car?
This is retarded.
>>80597938
What's unethical is what the dallas police shooter did.. Also it's not some AI robot, it's a remote controlled unit, there's nothing new about that..It didn't make the decision the guy controlling it remotely did.. just an extension of his gun with the upside that he wasn't taken out..
"ethical question" yeah these morons would have no qualms with more police officers being shot trying to nail that fucker.. but apparently a remote controlled unit.. OH THE SKY IS FALLING MUH ETHICAL QUESTIONS RAISED!
>>80598724
Why are white people so violent?
>>80598288
He also told the police trying to negotiate with him he was surrounded by bombs he would use to kill anyone that came for him. So it's completely justified. This discussion is just to distract people from corrupt Hillary.
>>80598391
something something 2nd amendment
>>80598624
>>80598642
I don't disagree that killing the shit out of him war both right and expedient, but the issue is about how the police will handle similar situations.
They gonna send a killbot on the next holed up armed CITIZEN? Think about it in the context of gun right and being forced into giving them up.
>>80598780
They negotiated with him for almost four hours. He had no intention of surrendering - he got what he deserved.
>>80598466
That would have put more lives in jeopardy.
The police didn't know if he had explosives and such or not, and it was clear he wasn't going to give up peacefully. So in this case I don't have a problem with what they did.
There probably does need to be some laws put in place around this sort of thing though. When it is or isn't acceptable, and to prevent lawsuits.
It's just a case of technology/ingenuity outpacing legislation, which happens all the time.
>>80598583
>Do they have advanced AI robots programmed to only gun down black men?
>>80598562
>Implying I won't be riding the thing with a cowboy hat on
>>80598831
this annoys the shit out of me
>religion about an iris
>omnic eyes don't have an iris
>>80598467
Nah m80, my criticism is we went from King Nigger saying he wouldn't use drones on American citizens in America period, to the Dallas PD playing Cawadooty and droning a citizen. So we have to deal with this now, either what Dallas did was illegal or we set a legal precedent of when the cops can use a drone to kill a suspect
>>80598862
Coming from a black man, that is hilarious.
>>80598135
Niqqa I don't fucking know I'm just guessing, do you think I can read these left wing minds, not to mention the logic you just used is beyond their comprehension
>>80598339
None to me, I'm just throwing spaghetti against the wall here. They just have to be able to find something to complain about. White mans fault kinda thing famalam
>>80598744
Witnessed
This tech was used in WWII
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_tracked_mine
>>80598910
Yes, but we already knew this. They'd probably just gas the poor bastard if that wouldn't look extremely bad internationally.
But I don't see your argument, really. All this really did was save police casualties.
>>80597938
>non-human kills non-human
i don't see any ethical issue here
>>80598862
Why do black people riot loot and rape like animals?
>>80598466
Yeah sure, let's wait out the armed nigger that just killed 5 officers and that is still armed. I'm sure he won't try to kill anyone while we sit here and wait. You're fucking retarded.
ROBOT RIGHTS WHEN
ROBOTS HAS FEELINGS TOO
THINK OF THE ROBOT CHILDREN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1csDqNO8FY
>>80598153
Since he met the definition of domestic terrorist,
I'm not sure how the laws would apply.
I'm sure that justification of robotics to kill a terrorist would be justified,
but I do wonder how they will justify the police having claymore landmines.
>>80598404
>claymore
>bomb
>>80598780
>Suicide, surrender or perhaps more hostility.. Rolling in a robot and blowing him up while he wasn't directly threatening anyone
As far as I know they talked to him for a while before they gave up. You're misunderstanding this guy. He wasn't a typical dude that went nuts. This guy could have possibly had more shit planned. Giving him opportunity and more time was risky to everyone. He needed to be terminated, especially since they weren't clear on who else was involved and whether he had companions also shooting the place up. They need to get this guy out of the picture in case there were any more to focus on.
If someone breaks into your house and as far as you know hasn't made it up to your floor then you can't assume he's no threat. If you're a target then you're in danger.
Cops were in danger here, this was their jurisdiction, they needed to feel safe. Their job isn't do die in the line of fire. Their job is to stay alive while neutralizing threats.
>>80599048
Sorry family I wasn't directly responding to you, more the logic you posted.
>>80597938
>nignog shooting cops in cold blood doesn't raise ethical questions
>a robot putting a rabid murdering animal down does
Priorities.
This is how the AI revolution starts. We will begin by justifying our use of simplistic remote control robots to carry our traditionally human law enforcement and military operations under the rationale that it will spare human lives (and eventually a cost-efficiency argument will be used against detractors, once widespread use is established and redundant personnel are cleaved from the workforce) and then the human operators will eventually be phased out by AI. This too will be justified, because it's the same thing, they will tell us, except now a program written by people will be doing the same thing human operators were doing, except more efficiently.
Your great great grandchildren will be policed by frightening, unbeatable AI robots in their own streets.
And if it turns out that AI can become self-aware after all, it will be over.
>>80598025
You sounds like you should work for the UN
>you can only kill people by ways I approve of
>>80598149
>>80598288
>>80598497
Look at the comment i samefagged below. #JusticeForR2Dindu
>>80598455
>>80598461
people that pay attention :)
>>80598693
Maybe if they managed to tie him down. Sounds pretty fun ;)
Deadly force is authorized, the means of which it is carried out simply don't matter.
>>80599023
It's a fucking EOD bot, they didn't drop a Hellfire on him. Jeez, calm the hell down.
He wasn't surrendering and had no intention of doing so, do you honestly believe he was coming out of this alive after killing a bunch of LEOs?
>>80598744
This guy is right it's pretty easy.
In fact let me show you guys some educational pics, strictly for academic purposes
>>80597987
Do robots have rights?
>>80598848
>>80598911
>American ethics
Kek... Don't get me wrong, I don't think the world lost much, and I sort of understand why they'd go this route. But it's clearly far from ethical.
>>80598918
if robots had any kind of sentience and autonomy they'd wipe out nogs themselves desu
>>80598583
ill bite.
Advanced AI programmed to only fire at blacks? Holy fuck best idea ever!
>>80598466
This is exactly why no new issue is raised. You could say the same thing about the use of snipers to neutralize a hostile suspect, or pistols for that matter.
Let's take a trip through time:
>It's unethical to use a robot to kill a dangerous criminal posing an immediate threat to the public. A human should be directly involved in taking the shot.
>It's unethical to use a sniper rifle to kill a dangerous criminal posing an immediate threat to the public. There needs to be some level of direct human confrontation when taking the shot.
>It's unethical to use a handgun to kill a dangerous criminal posing an immediate threat to the public. Handguns make killing too easy when it should be a matter of man to man combat.
>It's unethical to use a bow and arrow to kill a dangerous criminal posing an immediate threat to the public. Arrows can pierce plate mail at a distance, which takes the human element out of the struggle between opponents.
>It's unethical to use a sword to kill a dangerous criminal posing an immediate threat to the public. Melee weapons give an unfair advantage in a hostile situation that should ethically be resolved through bare knuckle fisticuffs.
>>80597938
Agree. Use of the for racist violence should be prohibited on the federal level. BLM.
>>80599121
>Since he met the definition of domestic terrorist,
Is it official?
>>80599063
>>80599095
They could've shot tear gas in with him. But the went straight for a killbot.
Like I said, I don't disagree with what he deserved, just the way the *police* executed it.
>>80598862
Black culprit kills 5 police officers, It's lucky that he didn't kill more.. but they manage to nail him.. and your response is:
>why are white people so violent?
why are black people so stupid.
Even when the data shows again and again how blacks have a higher propensity towards violence and crime, and even when discussing an actual case.. you act like you're non violent and everyone else than you are the violent ones..
Just..
>>80599155
There were countless cops on the street that day though.. Are you really saying they couldn't wait him out with a squad while having the rest check for further threats?
>Cops job is to stay alive while neutralizing threats
I didn't realise your cops were death squads of sorts.
>>80599242
Oh, go fuck yourself. What do you suppose should have been done, hmm?
>>80599358
Please tell me what's wrong with it, he killed 5 police officers, they didn't wanto to risk more dying, so they let a remote controlled unit do the job. literally just a rolling gun.
>No problem with 5 people dying but problem with a remote controlled unit killing the culprit that just killed 5 people..
Get your fucking priorities straight man.
>>80597938
These people do realize it's basically an RC car with a bomb on it, right?
It would've been unethical if the robot were operated autonomously and decided by AI to kill the terrorist. Now we don't live in a future with advanced AI so this was just as ethical as if some officer pulled a trigger.
>>80599236
Definitely not this one; it's essentially a remote control car with a camera and a can of whoop-ass.
>>80597938
Doot Doot Dee Doot Dee Doot Doo
(I've killed once, i'll do it again)
Bastion POTG
>>80599409
>There were countless cops on the street that day though..
Yeah, and they still got shot the hell up
Point is you don't know what this guy has going on, except he planned it in advance and as long as he is alive his plan may still continue to unfold.
>>80599459
Like I said, wait him out for surrender or suicide, shoot him when he commits more hostile acts.. Possibly storm him with a squad team.
Are you telling me US SWAT cannot take out a single guy with a rifle cowering in a corner? Or at the very least try and wait him out for say 24 hours?
Seems to me like the easy way out, and the easy way out is rarely ethical.
>>80599242
Please tell me what's wrong with it or unethical about it, he killed 5 police officers, they didn't wanto to risk more dying, so they let a remote controlled unit do the job. literally just a rolling gun. And remote controlled units have been used even during wwII.. it's nothing new.. or even remotely controversial about this.
>>No problem with 5 people dying but problem with a remote controlled unit killing the culprit that just killed 5 people..
Get your fucking priorities straight man. Your logicboard is corrupted.
>>80597987
People are upset that the boundaries between the police and the military are blurrying/becoming less clear. It's pretty stupid
>>80598780
Not you again. This tooth paste fucker was going turbo retard over this yesterday.
He WAS actively threatening people. After negotiations failed, he resumed fire against officers. You are a fucking idiot making craven excuses for why the life of a terrorist is more valuable than that of a servant of the public. Wonder why.
>>80599603
>except he planned it in advance and as long as he is alive his plan may still continue to unfold.
While cowering in a corner? If his plan could continue to unfold while cowering in a corner that would have meant he places explosives or something.. What sense is there in killing the only person that knows where such potential devices are?
>>80599573
kek
>>80599511
It's like you didn't read the post.
I'm talking about legal precedant of cops sending in robot bombs into a CIVILAN law enforcement situation to kill a CITIZEN, not about the ethics of it. I think killbots are awesome. :^)
>>80599626
>Are you telling me US SWAT cannot take out a single guy with a rifle cowering in a corner
it's a standoff and the guy murdered a dozen people
The only question that needs to be asked is can robots receive awards like police dogs can?
That brave, brave robot
God speed, my mechanical brethren
You're blowing up niggers in //heaven now
F
>>80599358
His actions are officially called an act of domestic terrorism, so I'm assuming yes.
Being a domestic terrorist and shooting civilian police for kind of nulls your tear gas and baton option.
As for how they killed him, with R2Dindu 2.0,
I'm not sure how the justification will play out,
but they moral/ethical question won't be:
"Was it overkill?"
I think it's funny as shit some clunky ass robot killed that nigger, how can you not get away from it.
>>80599437
How to kill yourself and everyone in the house 101
>>80599626
I'm not saying SWAT couldn't have done that. The decision was made because he had made statements during the negotiations regarding the use of explosives. He said he had a device with him as well as others planted in the downtown area where this occurred.
So rather then send SWAT in to deal with a guy who could blow himself up, the decision was made to use said EOD bot. No-one was waiting this guy out for twenty-four hours in the middle of a major metropolitan area, sorry. People have work to get to the next morning, etc.
>>80597938
> Nigger shoots ten cops
> Instead of sending in more cops to be shot
> Send robot with bomb attached
> No more cops are shot
> Situation is over
I'd say if people don't want robots with explosive payloads coming for them, they shouldn't shoot 10 police officers.
>>80598467
Bastion lives matter! Where was his Mercy? Where was his rollerblading DJ friend? His proud, determined beeps were the last things heard before the detonation. Hero's never die!
>>80597938
It isn't even a matter of ethics to me.
To me, using a fucking robot with a bomb not only turned the Dallas sniper into a martyr, but completely proved his cause is valid.
The police are beyond prepared for war against the public; they're itching for it. They have new toys they want to use, and even though they can't use handguns responsibly, they're suddenly allowed to use robots with explosives.
It is as though they want to instill fear in the public.
>>80599626
>the guy could have a bomb with him. what do?
>just throw a flashbang and run in lol
>>80599626
they could take him out by storming, But that will risk MORE life.
The most not-risky move was to bomb him with a robot, PRIORITIES is the key word here
>>80599713
>While cowering in a corner With a machine gun, bullet proof vest, possible accomplices and also possibly bombs all over the place and brain fixated on eliminating as many police officers as possible?
ftfu
>What sense is there in killing the only person that knows where such potential devices are?
possibly to stop him from detonating them which if what he says is true was guaranteed to happen as long as he is in control.
>>80597938
>in reply dindo strap homemade shrapnel bombs to quadcopters and fly into police cordons.
My body could not be more ready.
>>80597938
>1 post by this id
>>80599646
>Please tell me what's wrong with it or unethical about it, he killed 5 police officers,
Not an argument. Ethics don't go overboard based on what someone HAS done.. It might have been relevant if he had 5 cops hostage at that point, but the fact that they're already dead makes them basically irrelevant to the question of how to proceed.
> they didn't wanto to risk more dying,
They could have waited. Used ballistic shields. Non-lethal charges or devices (flashbangs, robot-taser, whatever) as the guy was not an immediate threat at the time they sent in the bot.
> so they let a remote controlled unit do the job. literally just a rolling gun.
Except it was a bomb, but sure.
> And remote controlled units have been used even during wwII..
War is not domestic law enforcement, anon. There's a reason there were no servicement present or drones in the sky. US constitution prohibits the use of militairy personel on US soil, presumably because it was deemed militairy tactics employed against a state's own citizens aren't necessarily ethical.
> it's nothing new..
Can you show me other instances of American cops blowing suspects up with a remote controlled device, while they're not posing an immediate threat?
> or even remotely controversial about this.
There is though.
>>80597938
>Feral dindu entrenches himself in a building and begins sniping cops
>Cops engage in a stand off
>Dindu tells cops the building is wired with explosives
>Cops don't know if he is telling the truth, but fuck it he already shot 10 people so we have to assume he is telling the truth.
>Don't know how he is set up to detonate said bombs. Trip wires, timers, remote detonator, dead man switch.
>Any possible breach act could cause bombs to go off with cops inside.
He painted himself into a corner. Cops literally did nothing wrong.
>>80597938
It's just a tool. A device remote controlled by a human operator.
Not essentially different than pulling the trigger on a gun or tossing a grenade in the room.
Let me know when AI starts making the decision to kill or not to kill and we can have a real discussion.
>>80599791
>His actions are officially called an act of domestic terrorism, so I'm assuming yes.
I can't find anything confirming this. Link?
>>80599039
>>80599086
>>80599094
>>80599361
black people are only violent, mostly amongst ourselves because we are high testosterone alpha males, its why we are so good at fighting, sports, and taking your women, at least we have the courtesy of keeping our violence within our own communties, but why are white "people" so violent? Is there any race of people you havent genocided?
>>80598172
I don't know about illegal but straya has a point. If the robot is controlled by a human operator it is essentially not much different from using a firearm, except now the officer doesn't have to put his life on line to exterminate a shitbag.
>>80599888
This dude outright declared war on the police with his actions, No shit they was going to use some excessive force and pave the way to an age of killerbots
>>80599647
Ahahaha.. you fucking idiot.. "blur lines between police and military" by using a fucking remote controlled unit to avoid more being killed when he also threatened with explosives.
Why not just give the police wifflebats and let 100 of them get mowed down trying to disarm or take out the assailant.. No unethical questions there as far as you're concerned ofcourse.
Your lack of basic priorities is downright creepy.
>>80599647
It really isnt stupid at all kf you have even a modicum of historical knowledge.
The founders of this nation didn't even want a standing military which they enshrined in the Constitution nor did tjey want a military force acting as a domestic police force which is also enshrined in the Constitution
The very good reason for this is to help prevent the rise of a tyrannical government.
>>80599713
>While cowering in a corner?
He was actively shooting at police when he was killed. Stop pretending he was rocking himself back and forth unarmed.
>If his plan could continue to unfold while cowering in a corner that would have meant he places explosives or something..
He claimed to have done exactly that, you idiot.
>What sense is there in killing the only person that knows where such potential devices are?
So that he cannot remotely detonate them, as explained by the police chief, you fucking idiot.
>>80599754
No, but you can paint these on them, one per nigger kill
>>80599988
>immediate threat
He literally had a gun, claimed to have bombs, and was exchanging fire with police for a significant amount of time you fucking mong.
Do you think police are just going to jog into a room that's probably rigged to blow?
>>80597938
because this dindu is like robot,
can't get gassed
no need to eat, bathroom
have unlimited ammo
can spawn
>>80599870
SWAT sent the robot. It's not a question of SWAT or a robot.
>>80600033
Source is cowardly police with an USvsThem mentality.
Them being he entire population as a whole
>>80600037
>at least we have the courtesy of keeping our violence within our own communities
Okay, now I know you're trolling. Better luck next time sport.
>>80597938
They should have burned him with the repair torch like bf4
>>80599229
Hey Bitchtits McGravyshits, that makes it worse.
>Improper use of equipment
PD's might get cucked out of R2-C4u as that's now going to be a part of the "militarization" of police.
Using a bomb disposal robot to use a bomb to dispose of a black citizen will make BLM stronger.
>>80598583
>As a
stopped reading right there
>>>/reddit/
>>80600094
>>80600099
just repeating what people said in the media... learn to read
>>80600199
...Because of said explosive device. So what is your point exactly?
>>80598466
Shut up meatbag
Kill all humans
>>80598583
>every government has super advanced secret weapons they keep just in case of emergeny
It's an RC car, a camera, and a bomb. A child could build this, under parental supervision of course because there is a bomb.
>>80597938
>1 post by this id...
why is this allowed...
>>80600057
>One dude wants to kill police
Are you aware this is nothing new? The only thing that's new, is the way the police reacted and justified his cause.
>>80600290
Poles are the n words of white society, violent, lazy people that move the the UK and rely on British welfare, you cannot deny this.
>>80600271
>That makes it worse
Says you. The hell do I care about BLM, they are doing a fine job themselves proving to most people how batshit they actually are.
It's such a fitting end
THE BLACK HERO, TAKING IT TO DA PIGS
Blown up by an EOD bot; that's the last thing he saw, a fucking metal contraption with an outstretch hand full of C4, in place of where the phone should be.
He couldn't get a message to HIS PEOPLE. Just a muffled thud.
>>80600037
Blacks have the same test levels as whites, But they have higher estrogen levels than whites.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456570
>>80597938
Not unethical. Someone detonated- therefore a decision was made and a trigger pulled. What, are they supposed to walk in with bare fisticuffs?
>>80599671
>Not you again. This tooth paste fucker was going turbo retard over this yesterday.
Not the same lad, but possibly we have the same opinion because our police typically don't go around blowing suspects up when the going gets a little tough and they're at risk themselves.
>>80599753
It doesn't matter how many he murdered if nobody was at risk at the time of the intervention. There's a difference between defending yourself in a situation that's immediately threatening, and attempting to bring a suspect to justice.. In the latter case, a judge ideally gets to decide his fate rather than an IED.
>>80599870
>He said he had a device with him as well as others planted in the downtown area where this occurred
So they blew him up so that he couldn't tell them where the alleged explosives were planted? Brilliant.
>No-one was waiting this guy out for twenty-four hours in the middle of a major metropolitan area, sorry. People have work to get to the next morning, etc.
Then they should have moved on him, rather than blowing him up imo.
>>80599903
Anyone could have a bomb, and apparantly he had said he planted bombs around the city.. How is blowing him up and risking not knowing where they are the wisest course of action?
>>80599905
Society would be an awful place if cops always chose the least risky approach for them. Their job is inherently risky.
>>80599925
>With a machine gun
Libtard pls.
>bullet proof vest
Somehow I doubt it was lvl IV rated, and even if it was SWAT has ammo to deal with that.. They should anyway, if they have acces to IED-EOD-bots some penetrators should not be out of reach.
>possibly to stop him from detonating them which if what he says is true was guaranteed to happen as long as he is in control.
What if they were timed?
>>80598562
>Russian robot
>in America
ja nah
>>80600389
>n words
better be b8 pal
How do these robots work... do they have like turret?
>>80600371
>under parental supervision of course because there is a bomb
>>80599023
What other options the police had?If they siege,there would be more casulties for them(probably).
>>80600318
That SWAT can't handle this guy and they might be out challenged but aren't willing to risk it.
They need your help bro. Get some gear on and handle that shiznit.
>>80598583
Literally Sophomore level Computer/Electrical Engineering technology. Uni students build shit way more complicated than this before graduation.
>>80600037
>high testosterone alpha males
That was a theory for a while because blacks are more prone to testicular cancer. This is actually not even slightly true though, you have the same amount. You have more serum estrogen though.
They should have just brought the whole building down tbqh family members
>>80597938
also cops were probably shit scared of shooting another groid
>>80600522
>keep drinking your own koolaid
Can white people go 1 post without being racist?
>>80600502
>Society would be an awful place if cops always chose the least risky approach for them. Their job is inherently risky.
Which is why they should take the least risky approach every time, Some times it's gassing the shit out of some crack den and storm, Now it was a bomb robot. they should not take risk when there are better options
>>80600502
>all this guessing
Like I just told some other dude. The reason all this went to shit is because YOU'RE not in our police force. Get a VISA, move over here and run into madmen situations like John Rambo.
>>80600571
Well, the guy had a gun. Why even bother risking someone when you can just blow him up? It's not like his intentions were in question at that point.
>>80600037
No it's because you are degenerate and have no impulse control.
And the only thing you excell at is acting irresponsible, rarely holding yourself accountable for something you do wrong or bad, having too many kids that you can't feed and then holding them up in front of you in order to get gibsmedat..
and oh yeah in case of black males, bailing on the female once she has kids.. leaving your kid to grow up violent and disturbed. http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/10/study-claims-92-of-biracial-children-with-black-dads-are-born-out-of-wedlock/
But keep drinking your own koolaid and believing your own lies dumbass. This is precisely why you don't improve, because you can't even admit to yourself that your own behaviour is the problem.
Only women who are dumb as fuck would date a regular nignog black male, only the "uncle tom" blacks (meaning those who actually try to act like a proper person and try to apply themselves and admit their mistakes and try to improve themselves) are somewhat safe..
The women who want to date a black man such as yourself, fuck that they deserve it, i have sympathy for them but.. if they're dumb enough to go into that without researching what they can expect.. they get to live with the result.
You're not a real man, you're the exact opposite, a real man stays with his woman, the average nignogs have the backbone and family unit capability of a dry twig.. This is also why many nignogs generationally don't know a damn thing cause their parents never taught them shit. So many of them are totally stunted and start completely from scratch.
Who to blame.. yourself..
>>80598405
>It was a good explosion
It's a change to see an Aussie using his wit in such a passive way.
>>80600502
>So they blew him up so that he couldn't tell them where the alleged explosives were planted? Brilliant.
He refused to surrender, so I'm oh so sure he would have given that information up as well. Oh, or do you suppose they should have tortured him too - but oh no! That'd be unethical!
Jesus man, how many times have I said why they themselves didn't move in but used said equipment? How hard is this to understand, I'm not even trying to be an asshole or anything.
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You literal niggers are so easy to rile up. Punch your keyboard keys all the way to victory you worthless fucks xD
>>80600106
>He was actively shooting at police when he was killed.
Apparantly he wasn't hitting them or they were shielded from his shots, right? But if he was still shooting, I suppose the threat would be immediate.. I had the impression he wasn't actively combating during the negotiations.
>>80600106
>So that he cannot remotely detonate them
Timers were out of the question?
>>80600175
>Do you think police are just going to jog into a room that's probably rigged to blow?
Literally their job. They could have sent in the bot to check for explosives (that's what they're typically used for) and then moved in.
>>80600315
>just repeating what people said in the media... learn to read
Yes learn o read anon
Start with the US Constitution and the Federalist papers
>>80600837
Why are ameriburgers so fucking dense?
>>80600812
>taking all this bait
We're not really arguing stupid, I can't believe you fell for this old shit
>>80600318
The point is yesterday and today people have been posing a false dilemma between calling in SWAT to neutralize the shooter and using a robot to do it. This is done to undermine the ethics of using the robot on the premise that a more ethical option was on the table (SWAT).
It's a false dilemma because they did call in SWAT to neutralize the shooter and SWAT's chosen method was the robot. There was no "better" option on the table and the use of the robot wasn't any less "ethical" than the use is a sniper would've been, had that been possible.
>>80600812
We're talking about what he posted, what's wrong with that?
>>80600373
i'm still here...waiting for the shitposting (like your comment) to subside.
>>80600827
>Literally their job
How is it "Literally their job" when even DEVGRU and Delta Force resort to just airstriking people who have barricaded themselves inside a building and booby trapped it?
>>80600678
Black people can hardly go one day without being racist, and you're the one who started it with saying why are white people violent.. which makes zero sense, all the data shows that blacks are far far more violent than any other ethnicity in the US.
what i said are facts, not racial bigotry. I even linked a study regarding biracial wedlock.. And how you leave your black women hanging is quite similar.
>>80600722
exactly. he was going to kill anyone that walked through the door, and it was clear that he was working alone and independently. he's gonna die either way, so might as well save some lives.
>>80600582
To be fair, much of testosterone is based on lifestyle (diet and exercise).
Statistically, black populations are more sedentary, with poorer diets. With that in mind, they should in fact have lower testosterone levels than the white population.
Considering they are equal, despite the impairments, it probably is safe to assume that in an equal setting, blacks may have slightly higher testosterone.
>>80600054
Maybe not illegal yet, but they're pushing for it
http://www.cnet.com/au/news/ban-autonomous-weapons-urge-hundreds-of-experts-including-hawking-musk-and-wozniak/
>>80597938
>Obama orders drone strikes that kill civilians and destroy infrastructure every day
>Liberals felate him to this day
>Police use a suicidal robot to kill one man who just killed five officers and was an active threat to more
>WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ROBOTS
>>80600983
You racist. They should have gone in there and dueled him bare fisted in a fight to the death, then it would be ethical
>>80601039
>it probably is safe to assume that in an equal setting, blacks may have slightly higher testosterone.
Well, it's not and they don't.
You're all basing this on the best-case scenario that occurred with dabs of hindsight bias of a success mixed it. It's like bombing a hospital but lucking out that there were only combatants and declaring that bombing hospitals is a good strategy from now on.
Consider the following scenario:
>'Hey, remember that time we used that bomb-robot and it was an outstanding success?"
>'Well we got some other armed killer holed up in this building we swore we saw him run into, let's use it now'
>a guy in the house is yelling and pissed off at officers wanting to raid his house, declaring something like 'Get a warrant you fat fuck'
>for the purpose of this scenario, this man is the homeowner and different than the guy they were chasing
>this man is still considered a 'Suspect' anyway, despite his innocence
>use a drone to kill him
>turns out it was a case of a mistaken house and/or the actual suspect ran through the backdoor leaving just the homeowner in the house
>if we sent a SWAT team instead the guy would have been found pissed and startled but unarmed and not killed
>whoops
Consider the unknown subjects in any scenario. Suspects are considered suspects up until indictment for a reason, I don't think I have to go into law-school levels of What If scenarios and mistaken identities to consider resorting to bombing suspects a really bad idea.
>>80600692
>Voluntarily becoming a cop
Lolno. I have options and a future ahead of me.
>>80600801
>Oh, or do you suppose they should have tortured him too - but oh no! That'd be unethical!
That's the age old 'ticking bomb' question, isn't it? I don't think we have a definitive answer yet.
>>80600983
>How is it "Literally their job"
Because, as domestic LEOs, it is LITERALLY their job.
>when even DEVGRU and Delta Force resort to just airstriking people who have barricaded themselves inside a building and booby trapped it?
As militairy sevicemen, THAT is their job. Which the constitution forbids them for performing on US soil..
That's the whole issue. If US militairy were allowed to operate on US soil, the question of ethics would be different.. But now we're talking about 'to serve and protect' type people.
>>80599791
>R2Dindu 2.0
>>80597938
>whaa why was it allowed to save cop lives instead of going at a guy pinned up and well armed to fight to the death
>>80601156
>Lolno. I have options and a future ahead of me.
>I could easily, just don't want 2
>2016
>people literally arguing if a robot has value
>>80601153
People in this thread seem to be unable to look past the specifics of the current case though.. They don't seem to fear that a precedent like this will mean the police will likely start resorting to blowing people up more frequently.
>>80597987
Niggers are angry because the robot has no race. Wall-E can't feel white guilt.
>>80600569
Do nothing and leave him alone?
Standoffs used to last a long time, nothing wrong with that.
>>80601156
>to serve and protect
And killing someone who was an active threat to everyone in his path in a manner that would only kill him is unethical?
Do you actually believe he was going to get arrested?
> Atomic bomb on Japan: Ok
> Napalm on Vietnam: Ok
> Drones on civillians: Ok
> Guantanamo: Ok
> CIA overthrowing governments: Ok
> NSA spying on everybody: Ok
> C4 on robots to stop mass murderer: WHAT THE FUCK?!
>>80601153
You literally just listed every single law enforcement scenario, up to and including being nicer to niggers.
>>80601271
>Implying people that have a future ahead of themselves become cops
Maybe it's different in the US, but in this country cop is pretty much the bottom tier of civil service in terms of pay and the amount of shit you get.. Never even mind the chain of command and bureaucracy.
>>80601318
>Do you actually believe he was going to get arrested?
They could have at least tried, is what I'm saying..
Why didn't the robot shoot him in the legs?
>>80600827
>Apparantly he wasn't hitting them or they were shielded from his shots, right?
>you're not under threat unless the bullets hit you.
He hit 12 officers. You know this.
>Timers were out of the question?
No, but neither was remote detonation. His life or death wouldn't impact a timer situation, as he bragged about never revealing the bombs locations. His death would resolve a remote detonation situation. Killing him, in the absence of surrender and under repeated and direct threat, was the safest and most responsible thing to do. If they took your advice and pussyfooted with the guy waiting for him to get hungry (lol) and he used a cell phone to blow up a city block and kill civilians, we would be asking why they didn't kill him sooner to prevent that from happening. Use your brain.
Roboter are good, so blacks can't blame whites for there crimes...
>>80597938
>Thursday night, the Dallas Police Department (DPD) used a bomb disposal robot with lethal force. After hours of negotiations failed, the police strapped a pound of C4 and a detonation cord to the robot, manoeuvred the robot near the suspect, and detonated, killing the 25-year-old suspect Micah Johnson. In a police statement issued on Saturday, the DPD named the bot used in this unprecedented operation — the Remotec Andros F5 model.
This is honestly hilarious. Topkek.
>>80601047
>AI experts
>Stephen Hawking
>>80601264
Prove to me that was the case...2 hours of negotiation don't justify killing someone with a robot. It clearly show poor leadership skills
How is using a robot 'unethical?' you'd rather send a team of humans in? Humans that have to potential to be killed? A robot has no life value, just go take a look at /r9k/
>>80600482
>Blacks have the same test levels as whites, But they have higher estrogen levels than whites.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456570
Is that why they are such whiney bastards about everything?
>>80601407
>>80601527
>They could have at least tried, is what I'm saying..
What would you do differently that didn't involve you being shot in the face?
>>80599748
Well despite what we all know some police do have common sense. I'm sure you don't want to leave common sense to rule how an officer decides when to use a bomb on a robot to interact with you. Given the weight of the circumstances it's obvious that
1 they asked a superiors permission to do it
2 no one wanted to end up dead either
3 it was clear an arrest would not be possible so instead of using direct lethal force they used a boy for t
It's pretty simple. If you assume I think police will only do this some times I don't have an answer for you. Obviously if it's commonplace to do it then we have a problem. Only then
>>80601407
> Ex military
> Good marksman
> Already killed six cops
> "Lets arrest him boys!"
Lay of the weed
>>80601047
"Autonomous"
It was remotely controlled.
>>80601375
kek. You're a genius right? not retarded right? telling cops to run up against some dude who already got a ton of street cred? but YOU'RE going to get a job where you use your brain right?
>>80601467
>He hit 12 officers. You know this.
As he was holed up in that corner?
>Bombs
They could have perhaps stopped a remote detonation with a jammer.. If there was a kind of deadman switch in place to prevent that, that would have activated upon blowing him up as well.
I just don't see how blowing him up was so acutely necessary..
>>80597938
it was 100% justified and hilarious.
Are those things EMP proof?
How hard is it to make an EMP?
Is there another way to distrupt or kill this things?
Asking for educational purposes.
>>80597987
Racist robots.
>>80597938
It is more unethical to let a cop risk their live to shoot someone
>>80601153
The central point in the Dallas scenario is that the suspect is actively attacking police and has already killed multiple people.
The guy in your scenario has done nothing wrong other than refuse police entry. He's not hurting anyone or screaming that he has bombs, he's just telling the cops to fuck off.
>>80601407
>at least tried
He'd already killed 5 officers and injured 7 other people. He wasn't going to surrender, and any officer entering the room to arrest him would have either been shot or literally BTFO.
Either you risk getting another 8-10 cops killed, or you just blow him up from a distance and keep the total amount of casualties to 13. I think the latter is a better idea.
>>80601128
And what is your logical argument for refuting what I said, other than being white and butthurt?
A white person living a sedentary lifestyle, and eating the typical black diet would have a lower testosterone. That is undeniable. So why do you believe that an African American, who already has the same level of testosterone, wouldn't see an increase from eating the better diet and getting more physical activity?
Protip: they would.
I'm a white, kinesiologist. We can both increase our test, but looking at white millennials makes it clear that we're becoming more effeminate.
Look, whether it was SWAT coming through that door or R2Dindu sent by SWAT knocking on the door - the guy was going out shooting, he had no intention of being taken alive.
So knowing this, why should SWAT send themselves into that room where he could have used an explosive himself, yeah we know now that wasn't the case but how are they supposed to do anything but take him at his word?
I wish I could RC XD niggers.
>>80601777
retard
>>80601289
Because dead is dead and it doesn't matter. If I am killed by the police with a gun, justly or unjustly, I guarantee you my dying thought won't be "at least they didn't use a bomb."
>>80601741
>I just don't see how blowing him up was so acutely necessary..
Because he was a clear and present danger to society. His killings were racially motivated and defined as hate crimes. There was no indication he was going to stop. Don't want to be killed by law enforcement? Don't be a threat to society.
I'm going to tell you something you don't want to hear: law enforcement have a legal OBLIGATION (read that again: not right but OBLIGATION) to remove threats from society. That includes justified killings by the safest means necessary.
>>80597938
I agree. We shouldn't sacrifice/risk robots just to kill a dindu.
#RobotLivesMatter
>>80601617
If you can negotiate with him without being shot in the face, you can wait him out without being shot in the face... You can also do what SWAT teams typically do with armed suspects, which is deploy a load of shields and flashbangs and move in.
>>80601681
>> Ex military
Doesn't mean fuckall, especially in the US. Militairy are far from the best and brightest..
>> Good marksman
Not much use when holed up in corner.
>> Already killed six cops
By ambushing and surprising them.. Not by waiting them out and having them come to him
>> "Lets arrest him boys!"
They could have tried.
>>80601704
LEO pls. No need to get butthurt, it isn't my fault you lads get little to no respect..
>use my brain
I don't care about that. I wan't a decent pay and not working for one of the most bureaucratic government divisions. If I can do that without turning my brain on during work, please.
>>80597938
i approve
people should get personal killing robots or getting parts to make one
>>80601797
keked,
but there are certainly people out there who think this.
>>80601777
They are controlled remotly.
The moment someone is able to interfere the signal and send it different input, they will have a problem.
I am pretty sure that there are already a few nations who could hijack your drones mid-flight and use them against you.
>>80597938
The only ethical question here is why aren't there more robots patrolling the streets putting sad motherfuckers down?
>>80601702
Who said it wasnt?
>>80597938
Fuck your stupid ethics. Obango made it legal when you were fapping to traps. Wake up, and stop crying about things that were law years ago, dumbass.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to-reveal-justification-for-drone-strikes-against-american-citizens/2014/05/20/f607bb60-e066-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2813857.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/politics/obama-drones-cia/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9913615/Barack-Obama-has-authority-to-use-drone-strikes-to-kill-Americans-on-US-soil.html
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/03/07/173732414/holder-responds-to-paul-about-drone-strikes-on-u-s-soil
Your chance to stop this passed. It's law, and from its first use-established use becomes real.
If you really have an issue, stop shitting up this board with your worthless opinions, and call your representatives. Nothing you post here will change laws.
>>80601903
>fingloid
>>80601977
>it isn't my fault you lads get little to no respect..
You had your plane shot down bro, an act of war. You did nothing.
>>80601824
Why don't you do the blood tests yourself instead of shouting a bunch of baseless assertions and self-described "assumptions?" You can control for activity and diet yourself.
Fucker had it coming for being a camper. Glad to see my main is getting some love. Play of the fucking game.
>>80601777
Hostages.
I wouldnt be suprised if this causes more hostage situations.
>>80601977
>you can wait him out
No. That is not a requirement for the police to have. If they tell you to surrender and you do not then the police are obligated to act upon it. Negotiations are not a requirement. Enforcing the law and safety of the public is. And that should be done expediently and as safely as possible, with no regards to the murderer's life.
If he wanted justice he should have turned himself in to the mercy of the court. As it stands he chose violence and received it.
>>80597938
how about this
>make robot
>add guns and bomb
>bring it to nig hood, startt gunning down people
>when run out of bullets, detonate bomb to destroy electronics
ofc you cannot leave traces on the robot parts
>>80601289
This is my point and my reason for making this thread...
WHY THE FUCK DIDNT THEY JUST RIG A HIGH VOLTAGE TO THE "CELL-PHONE" THEY BAITED THE NOG WITH.
THAT WOULD HAVE INCAPACITATED HIS ASS
BUT BLOW THAT NIGGER UP AND GIVE HIM MARTYR STATUS?????
NEXT TIME JUST TAZE THAT DINDU
>>80601815
>Either you risk getting another 8-10 cops killed, or you just blow him up from a distance and keep the total amount of casualties to 13. I think the latter is a better idea.
How long until US cops start blowing people up to prevent a single casualty on the cop side?
>Traffic stop explosions on the rise!
>>80601905
>The individual's thoughts matter
>Not the ramifications for society and law enforcement at large
ok
>>80601925
>I'm going to tell you something you don't want to hear: law enforcement have a legal OBLIGATION (read that again: not right but OBLIGATION) to remove threats from society.
Not necessarily by killing them though, even if they do that's typically not done remotely.
>That includes justified killings by the safest means necessary.
It remains to be seen if this was justified though. I assume there will be an investigation of sorts.
>>80601289
Dutch people are supposed to be smart atleast historically, but you certainly aren't. You must be a migrant.. so let me 'splain it to you.
It's the very specifics of this case that warranted usage of it.. whereas normally this would not be necessary.. So you have it exactly backwards. It's you who are ignoring the specifics of the case and acting as if police will always be taking this approach in any situation.
You have to respond to how the situation is.. not respond the same thing to every single situation.. You're not in a job that requires you to think on your feet much i'd imagine.
>>80602064
Because I don't care enough, and I already know what the results would be.
Again, it seems to me you're the one bothered by the simple fact that lifestyle can increase or lower testosterone.
>>80597938
>>80598025
>>80598065
The robot was just a tool. Why rsiking the lives of more police officers when you can have a machine do the job?
It's not like the robot had its own will either.
>>80597938
>be a terrorist
>get blown up
What is unethical about that?
>>80601994
even if you don't manage to get inputs, if you jam the band it's using, it turns into an expensive sculpture
>>80602195
>The equivalent of le shoot him in the leg meme
Please with your fucking martyr bullshit, BLM was going to think whatever the fuck they want and spin it however the fuck they want.
>>80601977
> They could have tried
Yeah, just say fuck it and risk your live and the lives of your fellow officers just so you can put him behind bars.
Maybe lay down the weed and your computer games.
But hey, next time there is a mass murder, just pick up your katana and teleport behind him, so you can shittalk him into submission and show the world what a badass you are.
>>80602196
>Not necessarily by killing them though, even if they do that's typically not done remotely.
Yes necessarily. Law enforcement have a legitimate and publicly supported use of violence and killing to stop threats to the public. This man was a killer and would continue to kill. He made no indication to stop. He was given his chance to surrender for two hours. He made his decision and paid for it with his life.
>It remains to be seen if it was justified.
In what way? In what possible scenario could this not be justified? This is the weakest liberal smokescreen I've ever seen in my life.
>>80602052
>American 'banter'
Not even my plane, too.
>>80602138
Sounds pretty totalitarian m8.
Something tells me the cops were just butthurt at being attacked and chose to fuck him up ASAP... But I'm sure it happened after careful deliberations and reflections on their task and requirements.
>>80602211
>someone already did it and proved me wrong, but you know they're probably just wrong and i don't care enough to prove my point
>>80602209
The question is if the situation actually warranted it though.. I'm sure there will be an investigation into that. If there will be a precedent to deploy bombs in 'extraordinary' situations, it remains to be seen what extraordinary constitutes.
>>80602196
>Not the ramifications for society and law enforcement at large
There are literally no substantive ramifications. Dead is dead is dead.
>>80602312
How would you jam the signal?
>>80598288
This.
And it sends a message that Dallas Police will not be fucked with.
>>80602383
>Sounds pretty totalitarian m8.
That's because it is. Law enforcement by its very nature IS totalitarian. That's the whole point of it. The US limits it, but there are cases where they are given free reign for the greater good. This was one of them.
>They were just butthurt!
Oh, I see. This is trolling. So who should handle it? Should we have called Obama down instead of the police? Maybe Hillary? Hey, maybe a white liberal could talk him down, right?
Fact is he was a threat and he got removed like one. You participate in society on peaceful terms, leave it, or you get removed from it violently. There is no middle ground here. You kill, you get killed, and no one is going to fault the cops for it because they did the right thing.
>>80602421
No they didn't. But believe whatever you need to believe. I'll be eating clean and hitting the weights, while you pound down poptarts and mountain dew happily knowing your lower estrogen will keep you superior to blacks.
Pathetic.
>>80602383
No, that's literally how it is. They gave him the option to surrender, he chose not to Netherlands. He's already a confirmed threat, they do not have any reason at that point to do anything short of stopping said threat.
How many more people in this thread have to point that out to you before you understand?
>>80602245
>Why risk the lives of more police officers
Exactly.. people were already dead or mortally wounded.. And the specifics of the situation called for use of that remote controlled unit..
But this is a classic "lefties vs pragmatic" logic argument.
The leftie would rather have cops armed with wifflebats and 100 of them being mowed down, because "muh ethics" of a guy using remote controlled devices since they don't know that this is not new and was even used as far back as wwII that's how old this is.. also..
Whereas logic and pragmatism obviously has the priorities straight and says ok the situation was several people lay dead or mortally wounded, the guy was fortified and making threats.. instead of risking more they used the remote controlled unit to BTFO of the guy who planned to kill far more if he had the chance.
Lefties also ignore the specifics of the case which called for precisely this type of action, where normally this would not be the case, and think with their usual zombie like logic that police will just start rolling up a remote controlled unit and blowing up people looking suspicious or something whenever they feel like it..
It's frustrating to argue with idiots.. but it's inevitable aswell.
>>80602312
Electronic warfare is going to get interresting in the next few years.
>>80602628
>i'm 5'4: the post
>>80602383
>Something tells me the cops were just butthurt at being attacked and chose to fuck him up ASAP
They negotiated with him for 3 hours.
>5 officers killed
>7 others wounded
>lol so butt hurt
I bet you main Reaper, you 15 year old edgelord. You're a real piece of shit.
Here we go!
>>80602656
you logic is flawed...on so many levels
>>80602716
What's worse is that even though he swore to kill cops it's clear he wasn't just a threat to cops. And even if he was, policemen have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness just the same as every law abiding citizen.
>>80597938
>raises questions
for who?
not for me
if you, or whomever, gives a shit, that is a personal issue
>>80597938
Because robots have right too shitlord
>>80602794
You're going to have to state why, otherwise this post is disregarded.
>>80602794
According to you.
>>80602376
>Yeah, just say fuck it and risk your live and the lives of your fellow officers just so you can put him behind bars.
Literally their job.
>le memes
Yeah, ok lad.
>>80602378
>In what way? In what possible scenario could this not be justified? This is the weakest liberal smokescreen I've ever seen in my life.
If a judge hold that he wasn't a direct threat because he'd been cornered and negotiation for hours, for instance.
>>80602577
>There are literally no substantive ramifications
That remains to be seen.
How long until every squadcar comes equipped with a little Jihadi-Wall-E?
>>80602621
>Law enforcement by its very nature IS totalitarian.
No.
>>80602621
>Oh, I see. This is trolling.
>Implying cops are never butthurt when people attack them or other cops
Ok, anon.
>>80602656
I understand the reasonings by police... I just don't really believe they had no other options. Blowing the dude up with a robot seems lazy at best, and unethical at worst.
>>80602716
>Lefties also ignore the specifics of the case which called for precisely this type of action, where normally this would not be the case, and think with their usual zombie like logic that police will just start rolling up a remote controlled unit and blowing up people looking suspicious or something whenever they feel like it..
Who decided that though? Did a judge sign an order? Did the justice department get involved? Or was it a single branch of the government that took this decision entirely autonomously?
>>80597938
>Why is this allowed...
we've officially level upped from They Live into Terminator Maximum Overdrive territory
>>80602597
You would need to find out how the exact model communicates with the station and decrypt the signal.
Then you could just spam the machine and it would not be able to process all the information.
Kind of like a DOS.
>>80602597
lrn2radio
>>80598025
subjective
>>80600890
a percentage of all people are dense
>>80602783
>They negotiated with him for 3 hours.
3 hours in which he apparantly did not post an immediate threat. What changed?
>I bet you main Reaper, you 15 year old edgelord.
I don't even know what that means tbqh.. Is that from your ebin Vidyas?
>>80598693
Good kek
Friendly reminder we are only asking this because it was a black
>>80602914
1 pound block of C4 to kill a holed up suspect is very excessive...
>>80600827
cry more
>>80602931
>Blowing the dude up with a robot seems lazy at best, and unethical at worst.
they did that to protect their officers from being charged, now they look to the leadership
it was a good call
>>80602036
>i have no idea what "autonomous" means
>>80602931
>If a judge hold that he wasn't a direct threat because he'd been cornered and negotiation for hours, for instance.
There isn't a single judge that will think this. No one will. Not even you. Are you saying he wasn't? He was still armed, did not surrender, and refused to cooperate after murdering people. So, you answer the question then. Was he still a threat? (Protip: the answer is yes.)
>>Law enforcement by its very nature IS totalitarian.
>No.
Yes. If you continue to say a flat, "No," without reasoning I'm going to ignore you. Back up your statement you child.
>>Oh, I see. This is trolling.
>Implying cops are never butthurt when people attack them or other cops
>Ok, anon.
Good. Glad we agree. In this case there was oversight. They followed procedure.
>>80603095
Why? Explain why it's a problem. Because it's loud? Because there was no way for him to sneak out? He had a choice to survive. He declined it.
>>80597938
It is good to have a machine to utilize in tactical situations. A robot can neutralize a nigger without putting human lives in danger.
>>80603095
they used a whole pound? who told you this lie some newspaper owned by some European banking cocksucker?
>>80603095
subjective
and no
>>80603038
>3 hours in which he apparantly did not post an immediate threat. What changed?
what changed?
guess.
you fucking imbecile
How different would it have been if the cops shot him instead of literally BTFOing him.
What were the supposed to do? Kill with kindness? On one hand it would have been nice to arrest him and string him up for the whole world to see to try and justify his actions but on the other, one less thug
>>80602850
The lefties care more about use of remote controlled units than the people who died during the episode.. or about nailing the asshole who was killing all those people.
This is exactly why i hate lefties so much.. They have a knack of being exactly at the illogical or irellevant side of every argument..
Had it not been used, more would've been dead, this they do not give a shit about but obsess about "muh robot army" eventhough this was a basic remote controlled unit and not an independent decision making AI.
As usual lefties argue against something that they basically have no legitimate case for even arguing against.. Whilst ignoring the actual case and the specifics of it, but instead trying to generalize some stupid shit from it.
And it is ofcourse to continual frustration of those with a decently functioning cerebrum.
>>80603175
>The cops care more about use of remote controlled units than the people who died during the episode..
I figure you mean, "Liberals," here...
They act like cops have no right to life simply because they uphold the law. It's pretty disgusting.
>>80599626
You mean doing the shit cops did with bomb-carrying terrorists in Paris and Orlando, which got people killed?
There's nothing unethical about using a tool to kill a terrorist. The only way this would have been unethical, is if the robot had been self-aware.
>>80602931
Their job is to serve and protect the public and not some mass murder.
I am sure if one of your family members would be in this situation, you would also cheer for them to confront him without the use of lethal force.
> I did it in Rainbow 6, fucking amteurs
>>80603095
Again, according to you. With a possible explosive in the room, I see a win-win.
>>80603262
Yes i meant liberals/lefties. I fixed it. And yes it is pretty disgusting.. Would be fun to see them be a cop for a month. They'd hide in every even low risk situation but when others have to put their neck on the line, they don't give a shit about their safety.. instead it's "muh feels about remote controlled units"
>>80603108
>they did that to protect their officers from being charged
But their officers weren't being charged at the time of the detonation.. Which makes it acting pre-emtively, rather than responding to an immediate threat. Which leads to the question on ethics.
>>80603174
>So, you answer the question then. Was he still a threat? (Protip: the answer is yes.)
The quesion is was he an immediate threat. Which remains to be seen..
>Yes. If you continue to say a flat, "No," without reasoning I'm going to ignore you. Back up your statement you child.
Law enforcement (in the west/civilised world anyway) is not totalitarian, because it happens under the rule of law, with checks and balances involved.. That's why there's a distinction between the police, the Justice department and the judiciary. Having one of those branches alone decide on life or death in situations where nobodies life is under immediate threat is leaning towards totalitarianism.
>needing this explained
lmao
>>80603174
>Why? Explain why it's a problem. Because it's loud? Because there was no way for him to sneak out?
Because it's a fucking pound of C4.. Did they even check if the building was stong enough to withstand that?
>>80602931
Why the fuck does a judge need to sign off on police acting in their professional capacity? It's cunts like you why our country and the EU as a whole are a bureaucratic nightmare that never get anything done.
Why would you save killer? What do you get from it? Please dont respond with
>muh cuck moral values
No robot should have to be put through that kind of truama
Only video needed for this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g
>>80603438
>The quesion is was he an immediate threat.
The answer is still yes.
>Because it's a fucking pound of C4.. Did they even check if the building was stong enough to withstand that?
A pound of C4 isn't as powerful as you think. You're literally getting all your information out of the movies.
>>80603175
>Had it not been used, more would've been dead,
[citation needed]
>>80603242
>guess.
They blew him up. But why?
>>80603326
>You mean doing the shit cops did with bomb-carrying terrorists in Paris and Orlando, which got people killed?
Paris bombers blew themselves up before police standoff took place, and IIRC the Orlando guy didn't have an explosive.
Also, in both of those cases the shooters posed immediate threats because they were either actively killing folks or had hostages. The standoff between the Charlie Hebdo shooters and police would be a better example I think, because IIRC they had no hostages.. There was someone in the building with them, but they didn't know that he was there.
>>80603529
This, thanks for posting.
>>80603362
If I were a family member I'd rather see him face a jury of his peers and fry, because that's the American way...
Police robots are designed for explosives work. It really just comes down to if it is more economical to repair the robot or buy a new one. But it is pretty hard for even explosives to ruin them completely.
>>80603555
>A pound of C4 isn't as powerful as you think. You're literally getting all your information out of the movies.
I'm no explosives expert, but a whole pound seems like a lot to blow up a single guy.
>>80603680
Well I guess he should have thought about them before he decided he wasn't going to surrender or be taken alive but continue on.
Sucks to suck.
>>80603638
>They blew him up. But why?
ok, i lolled
8/10
>>80603438
Why are you so triggered by this kanker?
>>80603501
Exactly, guy kills / mortally wounds several people, threatens to kill many more..
>BUT SAVE HIM CAUSE MUH FEELS AND ETHICS..
Why the fuck should more be killed trying to take him alive because of your feels and ethics? Fuck you lefties.. I hate your warped couch potatoe logic.. If you they were involved as a police officer, they'd fucking run away from the scene to save their sorry ass.. And they know it.. Those lofty morals about taking him alive would vanish like a fart in the wind..
But as long as it's someone else.. AHH muh remote controlled robot.. BAD BAD.. 100 police officers with wiffle bats have to charge him and die horribly first.. otherwise it's police brutality!
>>80603751
It's not. Part of my basic training as a 19D involved detonating C4. We detonated at least 20 pounds of the stuff only 20 feet away behind a small barricade. No one died. Nothing got blown over.
You're going to have to calm down, "Mr. I'm Not an Expert."
>>80603791
I'm not triggered m8, I'm just curious what's behind this fairly a-typical way of dealing with a suspect.
>>80603386
until that suspect is yourself holed up, posting no immediate threat. .The chief and swat had better options. They chose not to use them to send a message.
>>80603870
>a-typical
It's the same difference as sniping him. Only difference is the delivery of his death.
>>80603680
The American way is fuck up everything which is in your way, unless they surrender.
He did not surrender to the cops and was out for blood, so he got blown the fuck out.
>>80603903
>Armed. Dangerous. Determined to kill.
He's still posing an immediately threat.
>They had better options.
Such as?
>It was a message!
And that message was, "Don't fucking kill people or we'll kill you." Seems reasonable.
>>80603810
Feels are not ethics. You're the one that keeps argueing based on your feelings.
>but he KILLED people you shitlord, so FUCK everything else, good riddance they blew him up
>>80603864
>welfarefag
lmao.. No wonder you're so butthurt.
>>80603928
Sniping is typical though. Blowing him up was a-typical..
>What is typical?
>>80603420
>Would be fun to see them be a cop for a month. They'd hide in every even low risk situation but when others have to put their neck on the line
Haha, no. These are the guys who instantly become shitty bullies. They'd never even be in a dangerous situation. Instead they just bring their politics to their every day job, and consider themselves God's gift to humanity for it. Quite likely they'd start letting black people go, even if they did something, and would disproportionately target whites "to set things right".
These people are the prototype of the cop who opens fire before there's a clear threat. Of course, if the perp is someone they're sympathetic to, you bet your ass they'd risk a lot of their fellow officers' lives in order to be "humane". But if it were a White Lives Matter guy with a gun, they'd nuke the site from orbit if they could.
>>80604025
>lmao.. No wonder you're so butthurt.
Got out years ago. You can keep using insults all you want, though. They don't owe him mercy. They owe the public law enforcement.
>>80604081
>No, see, some semantics.
Drones were authorized by the president. You know that guy liberals voted in?
>yfw Republicans actually would have stopped this
Thanks for giving us a better way to kill niggers, though.
>>80597938
We are on most retarded state of collective mankind
>>80603903
>He wasn't posing an immediate threat.
Fortified position, still breathing and armed with a stated intent to continue to inflict harm. So you're wrong.
>Better options
According to you and Netherlands here.
>They chose to send a message
Yes, they did. They could have done the same thing without negotiating with him, which actually would be wrong in that case. They negotiated with him and as I said before, he stated his intent to continue and not surrender. They have no obligation to treat him with kid gloves because of that.
Police often seriously damage police cars when arresting dindus. They can charge the dindu for repair costs but they very rarely get the money.
>>80604173
This. They should be forced to deliver the notification of a cop killed in the line of duty, though. Delivering news like that is horrible but it's never a limp-wristed "compassionate" liberal that'll pick up the pieces when shit goes south. They just critique everyone from the safety of their computer and demand, "Better," while literally getting in the way of people trying to make that happen.
>>80604081
>Sniping is typical though.
Name the last time someone was killed by a police sniper.
>>80604173
>>No, see, some semantics.
Do you literally not know what a-typical means, anon? That's fine though.. But you'd do well to just look it up instead of looking like a retard.
>Drones authorised by president
Yeah, used by the militairy in foreign countries.. not by LEOs at home.
>Liberals
What do liberal have to do with it?
>Republicans would have stopped this
Again, what does that have to do with anything?
>Thanks for giving us a better way to kill niggers, though.
Are you now implying I am Obama or something?
Lmao, Americans and their retarded political feels..
>>80604021
we are only getting one side to this story. The police narrative
the longer the negotiate when on the great the change for a surrender, but every hour that pass another cop died and the order was giving to kill the perv
the cops are no better to me than the killer
>>80602931
>How long until every squadcar comes equipped with a little Jihadi-Wall-E?
No, nothing remains to be seen. It doesn't matter if robots come into wider use. It. Does. Not. Matter. All of the arguments you're making about the robot can and have been made about firearms, to the letter.
Picking on the robot qua robot is arbitrary and has no bearing on ethics whatsoever. What you're really saying is "the existence of robots armed with lethal weapons exposes the public to the threat of abuse by police, who have the technological means to kill them efficiently in the streets and in their homes." That threat, while real and worth considering, has already been a threat every day everywhere since the invention of the billy club. Your vulnerability to police overreach is the same post-Dallas as it was pre-Dallas. Nothing new or innovative has transpired, from an ethical standout. You're building an argument on a foundation of sand.
>>80604025
>Feels are not ethics.
But ethics are feels.
>>80604453
>Call people retards.
>Link the wrong post.
Grade A Retard.
>>80604463
>the cops are no better to me than the killer
So go be a cop and set the example. I'm sure that guy wouldn't have shot you because you wanted to talk.
And if he does? Well, I'll just post how cops are shit. :)
>>80604173
>Quite likely they'd start letting black people go
They'd have an extremely high likelyhood of getting themselves shot is what would happen to them.
It's cause they believe that cops just need to be nicer, and that use of force and these kinds of things is never a necessary thing.. They'd get hurt precisely for that reason.
Colgate stop being wrong about everything in this thread. It's kind of getting sad.
Is this the dead perp at roomba temperature? Found this posted with no attribution on a teabagger forum called GOP Briefing Room.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm-9z0lVIAA1Jhg.jpg
>>80604453
You're responding to the wrong person, but if you think drones are only used by the military, you're retarded. For fuck's sake, you can go outside right now and buy a drone for your own, personal use.
>>80604173
>Quite likely they'd start letting black people go
They'd have an extremely high likelyhood of getting themselves shot is what would happen to them. Vid related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g
It's cause they believe that cops just need to be nicer, and that use of force and these kinds of things is never a necessary thing.. They'd get hurt precisely for that reason.
Colgate stop being wrong about everything in this thread. It's kind of getting sad.
>>80604753
At this point I'm convinced he is just trolling.
>>80604277
I doubt mechanics take EBT
>>80604399
>Name the last time someone was killed by a police sniper.
The fact that police snipers are a thing, and that this IED-robot is widely reported on as being a novel technique seems enough support for sniping being typical and blowing people up being not..
Also, due to recent events googling for 'killed by police sniper' or 'gedood door politiescherpschutter' gives quite a bit of contamination.
But I doubt I really need to prove to anyone that the use of police snipers in standoff situations is fairly typical, right?
>>80604849
I don't think he is. I think he's stuck in a debator's high, got BTFO, and can't admit to himself he doesn't have a position in this argument that doesn't make him sound like a total spastic retard or an ignorant hypocrite.
>>80604791
> Straight outta Walmart
>>80604453
was for:
>>80604189
>>80604605
>knows it was meant for him
>Doesn't reply anyway
lmao.
>>80604791
He was talking about Obama authorising their use.. What he meant was Obama authorising the blowing up of US citizens by Predator strikes in places like Pakistan. Not hovering around the neighborhood with your little chinese piece of shit drone...
>>80605075
>Didn't read the reply to the post that, yes, I knew was for me.
That's because you're a retard and can't handle being called out on it. Must suck thinking you're smart then actually meeting intelligent people and they call you out.
>Not hovering around the neighborhood with your little chinese piece of shit drone...
Too bad you didn't read the law, huh?
>>80604173
>>80604849
>>80604990
Ah fuck was the wrong colgate, not the 29 post colgate. Sorry man, you're still wrong but not as wrong as the other colgate that just don't know when to quit.
>>80605075
>He was talking about Obama authorising their use.. What he meant was Obama authorising the blowing up of US citizens by Predator strikes
>>80604753
>Colgate stop being wrong about everything in this thread.
Look, you dumb piece of shit, I'm not even the same guy as that leftist idiot, do don't lump me in with him because we're from the same fucking country.
You're completely missing the point. These people are acting to according to simple ingroup/outgroup logic. They don't actually believe cops need to be nicer, as you can tell from their racially charged language. They believe cops need to be nicer... to black people.
None of these faggots complains about use of force against white people. None of these faggots condemns the shooter's actions. They are not nice, peaceful people with their heads in the clouds. They are partisan, tribal-thinking assholes who use politically correct language. Give them power, and they will abuse it.
We have a saying in the Netherlands: The way the tavernkeeper is, is how he trusts his guests. That means people assume how others will act with themselves as an example. And people who believe that ALL white people are inherently racist against blacks WILL judge other based on that belief.
