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Is Canadian free healthcare actually superior to American healthcare? Do they really pay less for the same quality of care without wait times? It doesn't seems intuitive that a single payer government managed system actualy works.
>>80558676
If you allowed your health care into the free market, yours would unquestionably be the best in the world.
Social medicine is literally just scraps from Capital medicine.
>>80558676
Living in Canada I can tell you, it is worse. Just watch this video and he will explain it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R_DQp-Uxto
No matter what time it is. you will always wait. And when you do get in, they will always send you to a specialist, then get you the thing you need, and then get sent back to the ER. Just to get it all over again.
>>80558676
>free healthcare
Free healthcare isn't free, end of fucking story
>>80558676
Big misnomer. Healthcare is only free in Canada if you're a jobless welfare queen
>>80558813
What exactly is preventing the US from having a free market?
>>80558959
Is the wait time a trade-off for lower costs? I ask because Canadians I talk to claim the lower prices make it all worth it.
>>80559159
True but that's not the question. Do Americans pay more for the same care compared to Canadians?
>>80559317
>What exactly is preventing the US from having a free market?
Insurance companies having monopolies on states.
>>80559317
It is not worth. The money people pay for healthcare on taxes is huge about 11K. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/true-cost-of-health-care-to-average-family-is-11k-per-year-report-1.2525114)
one time, i got shanked by some nigger, was rushed to the ER, were i proceed to wait in the wanting room till i threw up blood where i was finally accepted. (They found out the knife cut a hole in my stomach, and caused internal bleeding. If I had not threw up, i would have died)
>>80558676
if it was so good
why the fuck do i talk to them in the hospital when they get surgeries done here?
although i do know people who go to canada to buy medication because it's cheaper there
Ive worked in it for almost two decades. This thread is pure shills. Nobody should listen here. Ever. Complete satire akin to /b/
>>80560524
I'm glad you're okay, Anon!
>>80559426
>Insurance companies having monopolies on states.
Is it a monopoly if there are several insurance companies? What ensures that they hold the monopoly?
>>80560524
Interesting, thanks for the link
>>80560682
Explain
>>80560682
fuck off you dumb niggers used to come shopping in michigan for shoes
when you found some, you would throw your old shoes in the parking lot, the entire thing would be full of old bullshit you would discard including the boxes.
shit everywhere, so you didn't have to pay duty, fuck off faggot
>>80558676
I know people who've had major surgeries in Canada. And while they did eventually get the procedure finished, and they're in good health, it seemed to take for fucking ever. My friend could not complain, because he did not have to pay any bills, but I could not help but think
>Wow, he's been in this process for like 3 fucking years now.
I feel like in the USA, if you were to get the same thing done, they could knock it out in a few days. Christ, he had to live for like 2 fucking years with a shitbag on his stomach. But what do I know, I only go to the doc when it is absolutely necessary. And I don't live in Canada.
>>80558676
Its fucking awful.
t. Canadian getting treatment in the states because there was a two month waiting list for a half decent cancer specialist.
>>80560829
nah I don't feel like it enjoy the kabuki
>>80560731
I am not okay. I still have monthly check ups. where they do shit all, but give me pain killers,. and anti inflammatory pills. (I got shanked about a year ago. I no longer feel pain, but they don't give a shit)
I'm sure it's rather rare, but at least in Canada your life won't ever be ruined by medical bills you can't pay.
Yes, it does work. The quality is good, but there are wait times sometimes.
>>80561005
ah :( My heart goes for you, anon! Keep strong and carry on!
>>80560924
Yeah in Canada. By law doctors have you to go to specialist, before you go back. Then the cycle repeats till every fucking inch of your body is set for okay for operation. So multiply specialist in different cites where they have you to go back and forth for agreement.
>>80561096
It happens. If we have something serious and dont want to gamble waiting months to even see a specialist, we must turn to private hospitals
>>80558676
It's fucking shit. I haven't been to a hospital since I was 11 and broke my arm. That was 10 years ago. I literally haven't made use of our health care system in 10 years but my taxes are still stolen and put toward helping careless motherfuckers.
Meanwhile for shit that I actually need I still need to pay out the ass. If I want glasses or contacts or a dental check up, I might as well live in USA.
It's garbage.
>>80558676
It probably depends issue to issue and province to province. If you get the procedure on time, it's okay. If not, you'll be spending years upon years in pain and suffering or going to a private clinic or the US and shelling out the big bucks.
>>80558676
It's not free you still have to pay and it's all bullshit fucking waiting five hours just to see a doctor
>>80561426
>>80561405
These. It's """""free""""" but the price paid for it is worse than just money.
tl;dr: don't get sick
>>80560944
>nah I don't feel like it enjoy the kabuki
Is it kabuki because everybody is wrong and it's great or is it because the Canadians are wrong and it's shit?
>>80559317
Canadian system is better if you have chronic issues.
American for your average healthy person who only goes to the doctor once every few years.
>>80560524
How in the hell did you get stuck in the waiting room and not bumped to the top of the queue? 90% of the people in the ER are there about a sore throat.
>>80561405
>I literally haven't made use of our health care system in 10 years but my taxes are still stolen and put toward helping careless motherfuckers.
That's what insurance is, anon.
>>80560944
then why post in the first place
>>80560924
I remember when I was young (like 7 or 8) when my mom broke her left rib. (IDK which rib but on the left side.) It took them 4 years to get see the "problem". the kicker was while all of us were going to Disney land we took a pit stop in NYC where we went to an american hospital to get it fix in a couple of hours. (Shocker was she has a broken rib, all they did was replace that rib with some fake metal rib and have her take pain killers for 3 months). (Don't worry My family have citizenship in america to, so we weren't abusing the system, since we have a house in michigan, we pay the taxes on it)
>>80561138
I wonder how those stats look if you removed niggers from the equation.
>>80561782
>Replaced a broken rib with a metal one
dude what
>>80561725
I would assume that the wound didn't look that bad on the surface, and the bleeding was controlled enough that they thought it wasn't urgent. In other words they were idiots, which sums up the entire Canadian healthcare experience.
Alternatively, that anon said he was shanked by a nigger. So he probably lived around niggers, and so most of the ER was filled with other stab victims or other nigger-related injuries.
>>80561782
>tfw my mom broke 3 ribs today
>knowing this shit healthcare system she'll get them fixed at about 1 rib a year
>>80560773
Mass resident here. I would never go to "Free health care" model. Let the states do their own thing along with the free market. I have masshealth (State) and they pay for literally everything, and I get MRIs every three months and steroids every 6. Plus full coverage dental.
>>80561725
because I felt no pain on it, and it did not look deep. When you go to the ER, they ask you, "How much pain you in?" and "How big is the wound".
They could care less because I answerd that i felt no pain and that the wound is about as big as 4 cm vertical (my exact words) So they put me in the back of the queue. I could not feel anything. Just like some numbness, hard to explain.
>>80562109
I mean, I guess it depends on if an ambulance took him to the ER or if he stumbled in off the street.
EMT's usually aren't idiots.
There is no such thing as "Canadian" health care.
There's B.C. health care.
There's Alberta health care.
There's Saskatchewan health care.
There's Manitoba health care.
There's Ontario health care.
There's... something resembling health care in Quebec...
Every province has its own health care system. They are all different. They cover different things. They have separate budgets. They have different standards.
There's ups and downs. I hope the US doesn't have to deal with homeless fags who pretend to be sick so they can get hospital food.
My dads new boss was from Canada. His daughter had to wait 6 months to get a CAT scan for her head - due to painful migrains. I got one in a week because I had a concussion from football.
>>80558676
100% of the people in Canada who can afford premium health care coverage have it. Their version of the NHS is horrible.
>>80561881
That's right my gayest nation meme country, in the USA, our healthcare system is already at Deus Ex augmentation tier.
> socialists btfo
>>80561728
But you have a choice to buy or not buy insurance and you have a choice to pick which plan you want. Do you get that sort of freedom of choice in the Canadian system?
>>80561881
They took out the part of the rib that was broken, and add some sort of replacement rib. Like the entire rib was not broken, just the end of it. So they took the end out replaced the now vacant spot with a metal ending. Kinda like how you get a crown on your teeth
>>80562165
>. I have masshealth (State) and they pay for literally everything, and I get MRIs every three months and steroids every 6. Plus full coverage dental.
Who is "they"? You mean you pay for all those things, right?
>>80562129
Wtf you expect health care to do to a rib? Put it in a cast? :D
Brit abroad so I can give you a good update of all three systems.
UK - free but unless it's urgent you can expect to wait. If it's critical, you bypass all queues and get what you need. This is both good and bad - I had my appendix about to burst, they knocked me out but didn't perform the operation because of emergency car accident. I woke up and they had to gas me again and back into surgery 24 hours later. I lost 7kg that week because of the no-fasting rule.
Canada [Ontario] - similar to the UK but you have to pay more. It really helps when my company covers the insurance costs and I can demand to be seen quicker, but OHIP is the same bullshit as the NHS.
USA [student in Berkeley, CA] - my wisdom teeth came up in the US. The bottom left one came up funny or rotten. It was cheaper to get fucked on whiskey and codeine for four weeks and go back home to get it removed than to pay several thousand in the US. US healthcare is unforgiving and brutal.
All in all, the UK NHS is the best IF and ONLY if it caters to EU/UK citizens.
>>80562408
Not anymore, you don't.
Obamacare bill, bruv. Now, if you don't buy insurance, you get a fee (Equal to what health insurance costs).
It was a REALLY bad precedent to set, allowing the government to "compel" you to buy a good or service.
Based on the precedent set, they could force you to spend 10k a year on a fucking stick if they wanted to.
>>80562396
Did i word it wrong? see the ending the Sternal extemity. I am pretty sure they broken part was there. So all they did was remove that part and add some metal ending replacement.
>>80562729
The* not they right after pretty sure
>>80562659
Dental isn't covered anywhere in Canada, AFAIK.
>>80558676
just pay for insurance pussy
>>80562702
Right, I just mean that the difference between insurance and single payer is the choice you have. On that note, do you still have to pay for "free care" if you buy private insurance in Canada?
>>80562813
Didn't know that, but companies cover it for sure. NHS covers most of dental.
Since it seems like people have had mostly negative experiences with Canadian healthcare, here's my experiences:
Severed tendons in one finger, spent 2 hours getting it examined and stitched, only to discover that it needed specialist surgery.
Surgery was booked for a hospital in Vancouver and my plane ticket was covered.
Specialist reconnected my tendon and I regained nearly full use of my finger.
Total cost to me: 75$ for a cast after the surgery.
This last winter I also took the tip off my finger cutting firewood.
My dad drove me to the ER. I sat around for half an hour, got an xray, sat around for ten minute, got stitched up and went home.
Healed up nicely and now you can't tell that it was severed.
So all around, not bad. Keep in mind this all occurred in a region very notorious for long wait times and understaffing.
>>80562928
Damn you got lucky.
>>80562928
Stop cutting your fingers off you daft twat
I've never met a Canadian irl that didn't like they're healthcare. Only internet leafs who are notorious shitposters.
>>80561853
>le niggers don't count meme
>>80561405
Isn't it great that we're mass importing old third worlders to abuse our social services?
Isn't it great when you need to go to the doctor and have to wait 5 hours because Chang and Sandeep's 50 relatives are all filling up the hospitals?
>>80561138
>USA
>consume less oil
>highly suspicious
As a leaf I've dealt with our health care many times, and I'll tell you, the concept is good, giving everyone free medical on things that will kill them or seriously maim them, but in practice it's terrible. My friend had a hole in his lung, they called the paramedics (which aren't free) and they brought him to the hospital and he waited 6 hours before he was treated. 6 hours with only 1 lung functioning properly. He was so angry. Now, one time I was really sick and I was having trouble breathing, so my girlfriend took me to the hospital. I arrived at 12am taking short breaths, and feeling like crap, and at 7am they finally got to see me and literally just told me to go home. I needed an ultrasound, and I had to wait like 8 months on a waiting list because it wasn't a normal ultrasound so there aren't that many places that can do it. Why is our medical so bad? Well it's gimped. The funding is not there. Our nurses in our hospitals work one of the shittiest jobs because they're constantly under staffed due to government funding, our doctors rush ever patient because there's so many people constantly arriving and they're under staffed, it's really terrible. It's not their fault i know that when I need to go, but you can't help with getting upset about the situation. But for example, our health care isn't completely free. Certain medications you can't get for free, and crutches you have to rent.
>>80563289
As the Brit abroad, it's not fucking worse than the NHS.
I fear it's too late for Canada...
Every Canadian I've known or heard speak who's ever had to deal with serious medical shit has said it's much worse.
>>80562860
As far as buying insurance goes, I don't know. Most people with insurance get it through work.
What I can tell you is, if you live in Quebec and can't afford to wait 6+ months to see a gastroenterologist or some shit and decide to go to a private clinic (which will charge you minimum 300$ for an initial consultation and easily cost as much as US health care for any tests or procedures), then yes. You will still need to pay for the public system. So only people rich enough to afford both get timely care.
>>80562916
Depends on the company. My current company has no health care plan. No vision. No dental. Nothing.
>>80562928
I once sat in an ER in St-Hyacinthe, Quebec, for 32 hours with dysentery. All I needed was for them to plug me into a saline solution and let me rehydrate since I couldn't keep any water in me for the previous two days and I nearly died of dehydration in the waiting room. 5 minute procedure of swabbing my arm with alcohol and sticking a needle in was just TOO MUCH WORK.
Or how 'bout the time I waited a 1.5 years for an MRI (when my case was ruled "semi-urgent"), moved out of the province and then got a call from them ~10 months later saying "Hey, can you come in for the MRI in two months?".
Or the time a boat trailer (with boat on it) fell onto my foot, breaking the bone in my big toe. I went to the local clinic (which was actually the main clinic for the surrounding 4 towns), only to find out that they don't do x-rays on Sundays. So I had to go to the hospital, sit in the ER for something like 20 hours before they sent me to the radiology department that hadn't seen a patient in at least 10 of those hours.
>I need an X-ray
>THE DOCTOR IS THE ONE WHO WILL DECIDE THAT, NOT YOU!
>But I KNOW my toe is broken...
>YEAH, AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?!
>Because a boat trailer, with the boat on it, fell onto my foot.
>Oh. Well you still need to wait to see the doctor.
Turns out something was broken. NO SHIT.
>>80563456
Heating homes.
>>80563526
The lion will wake soon enough my bong friend. Soon we will take back our countries.
Kind of surprised by this thread.
American healthcare may be good, but it's incredibly expensive and simply unaffordable, and because of the insane bureaucracy tied into it will never be affordable.
It's a major financial burden to the middle class, and now even the lower-middle class thanks to failbama.
I get injured or sick I can depend on OHIP to cover the majority of the hospital bill including medication. There's some exceptions, but OHIP covers almost everything. My dad's been on dialysis for 5 years now and OHIP has covered his treatment and prescription drug regimen. Only complaint would be the occasionally long wait time, but if you need to go to the ER you wont need to wait. I imagine you can get even better care if you pay money for it, but it's not really a valid argument since Canadians can access private doctors if they want to.
>>80562659
removing a single wisdom tooth does not cost several thousand dollars. you were getting jobbed.
>>80563736
Nah mate, it's too late. Unless there is a hidden power in the rurals that I don't know of, but there are about 6million completely cucked and arse fucked GTAers here
>>80563870
4 of them came up simultaneously. One of them was fucked, but all needed coming out.
>>80563753
You were lied to about Canadian health care so they could force feed all sorts of shit down your throat.
You didn't think the "affordable health care act" was written to benefit you, did you?
>>80563980
gotcha. that sounds more realistic.
Unless it's urgent you can be waiting for months for something like an mri. I work in a hospital and old people tell me all the time how they're going to die while waiting for a scan scheduled for 2017. Urgent things are usually same day or next day.
According to google average costs in Canada are nearly identical to the average healthcare insurance costs in the USA so I don't know what the difference is... But definitely some people should be paying more through their own gross incompetence.
Canadians are very proud of their healthcare system though and the perception here is the american system is barbaric.
>>80564018
I thought it would make healthcare... Affordable. Not mandatory.
It's so fucked how much you have to pay per month, and how expensive your deductible is. We own a business that employs about 7 guys and the insurance bill is over 10k a month for the company. And these fucking guys can't afford their deductibles anyway. It's just, agh, so fucked up. Greedy fucks
Canadian healthcare - while decent. Can have its issues with severe cases as have already been mentioned in this thread.
Many of our top doctors/graduates go the USA instead. Because they get paid more (since healthcare is not blanket-paid-for but the government) and insurance standards have it so that mistakes are even less tolerated.
So while US healthcare is extremely more expensive (partially because of Monopolies on certain industries) its unquestionably better.
Social Healthcare to the extreme degree is simply not good.
>>80564484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-6zbSf_J4
>>80563456
Especially considering how much oil we are burning through right now, with the price being so low for so long.
Speaking of which. We aren't drilling oil, we are burning a shitload of it, and our surplus will last us quite awhile longer.
The next oil boom is coming boys, now is the time to invest
>>80558676
healthcare logic
>i have symptom!
>i want drug to suppress symptom!
>i need drug to suppress side effects!
visiting a naturopath
>find root cause of problem
>correct eating, drinking, breathing, nerves
>symptom goes away
MUH HELF CARE N SHIET N DRUGS N SHIET MANE HOW I GUNNA GET DEM PILLZ N SHIET FOR MUH DIABETUS N SHIET NEED MUH BURGERS n SUGAR COOKIES WITH GMO WHEAT n SHIEEEEEEEEEEET
i can't stand this reality anymore. i feel like i'm in a fishbowl matrix called AutismoEarth2.0
>>80564654
Brave New World. Our society is too stable as a whole for a revolution.
>>80564227
>According to google average costs in Canada are nearly identical to the average healthcare insurance costs in the USA
Out-of-pocket expenses are comparable, but the US government spends far more per capita on healthcare than we do. Almost twice as much.
>>80565024
Some things can't be cured with good exercise, diet, and tree bark you flaming pompous imbecile. Why am I even responding to this retard?
>>80562239
>There's... something resembling health care in Quebec...
40% of our taxes go in healthcare. And it's a piece of shit. Probably the worst in all of Canada. I can't believe that my parents would be 800 000$$ richer by now if they had never paid for this piece of shit healthcare we never use anyway. 800K. That's the sum a couple earning a slightly above average wage will pay toward this piece of shit. Free healthcare my ass.
It's just like in the rest of Canada as far as waiting times are concerned. Hospitals and staff is mostly garbage. Worst of all the lower staff including nurses, that are some of the lowest ''lifeforms'' I ever had the displeasure of meeting in my entire life.
Good luck in finding an available doctor here or a free hospital bed. Good luck.
You need a private insurance on top of that if you need real healthcare anyway.
Fuck this Province.
Fuck Quebecois.
Fuck Canadians.
>>80565271
Does that include research?
Let me put it this way.
My wife's father was misdiagnosed for 2 years. was shuffled about from one specialist to the next with months of waiting time in between.
Finally, they figured out it wasn't arthritis. It was terminal bone cancer. They told his wife and him to stop calling the hospital. The only available treatment was too expensive and not covered by the public health system.
Too expensive. Let that sink in for a moment. When you pay into this system, when they gouge a third of your paycheque your whole life, when you need its help, they will turn you away and tell you to go die quietly.
Fuck our healthcare system, it's 8 months to see a dermatologist . 2 years to get a family doctor. 1 year to see an oncologist. My wife is still waiting after 4 years to see a neurologist. It's a fucking joke.
the problem in ontario is the doctors run the health care system and the government pays the bills. this gives the drs the power to control how many drs get trained, how long waiting periods are, and what treatments you get.
lil girl next door broke her wrist the other day, she was back home in a little more then an hour. also if you need emergy care , you get it. but if it isn't an emergency , you wait
>>80565329
Hey, if you're lucky you'll get to sleep on a stretcher in the hallway instead of a flimsy plastic chair!
Déménage vers l'ouest. Ça vaut la peine.
>>80560682
YwxuPi+4 is a degenerate from Redmonton who should just fucking kill his fat fucking self already.
>>80565397
>Seeing a rheumatologist on Thursday for arthritic pain
:(
>>80559317
You should be able to buy health insurance from any state in the union but you can't due to legal barriers.
>>80565453
you can buy private insurance and get your own room, less common drugs, maybe faster care
>>80565397
>when you need its help, they will turn you away and tell you to go die quietly.
They told the same thing to my grandfather. Basically ''yeah you're most likely gonna die, sorry can't do anything :DDDDD''. He went back to his home country in Yurope and got treated there for free in record time.
Canadian healthcare manages to combine the worst of European and American healthcare. And Canadians uses this as their greatest achievement and source of pride. Holy shit.
>>80565339
No.
>It covers the provision of health services (preventive and curative), family planning activities, nutrition activities, and emergency aid designated for health but does not include provision of water and sanitation.
>>80565469
>get to sleep on a stretcher in the hallway
Ar u me? This is how I spent a night once un ER after I knocked the back of my head in the stairs. Kept bleeding on the pillow while a lone madman was let loose from the psych ward into the hallway.
It's worth mentioning they also sent off my relatives who were keeping me company cus ''u can't stay here and comfort him while he's injured and confused and a mad man is going ape shit in the next room''. Lowest. Fucking. Lifeforms.
I'm moving out of this country unless there's a province that works miraculously better than this shithole. I would make a shiton more money in the states and have more freedom.
>>80562928
>Total cost to me: 75$ for a cast after the surgery.
Is this really the total cost if you've paid years of taxes towards healthcare?
insurance is still really cheap in canada but a lot of conservative governments like the american model better . lots of middle men and a lot more expensive
>>80566705
J'ai habité là pendant 26 ans et j'étais malade pendant 13 ans de ça.
I know that fucking feel, man.
>>80560773
Just saying Trumps healthcare reform would eliminate state boundaries and create a true free market with much lower prices
>>80563715
>THE DOCTOR IS THE ONE WHO WILL DECIDE THAT, NOT YOU!
Every Fucking Time.
it's Not socialism
>>80566884
Cette province est minable mais au moin tout les jours je me rassure en me disant que ce n'est pas la nouvelle ecosse.
>>80567275
Déménage avant Québexit, mon ami. Ça va vraiment aller mal cette fois-çi, surtout si le référendum réussi pas encore.
FLQ 2.0 guarantie.
see the conservatives figure, if you cut health care, you'll have more money for tax cuts and give aways to you future employer
>>80567331
>muh healthcare
Literally the only thing Canadians can think of when asked what defines their country. And it's worst than any other first world country.
Is there any reason to remain independent at that point?
>>80567729
no everyone in the thread was talking about it.
what defines the country? peace quiet relative harmony
Reading this fucking thread pisses me the fuck off for you Canadians. And I cannot believe that most dipshit Americans want our system to be like yours. Maybe it's just me, but I like paying for my health care when I fucking need it, not paying all the time in case I need it.
Also in the USA there are a lot of tricks you can do to get quality care for a very small cost, even when you don't have insurance.
A while back, I had no insurance. I was working my ass off all the time, but just didn't have the cash along with all my other bills and shit to afford it. So I didn't have any. One day I get some crazy ass stomach pain. I leave it for a few days, as I'm not a pussy. But it just got worse and worse. At first I thought I pulled a muscle working, but as time went on, I realized that it was not a muscle. So I found my nearest church affiliated hospital. An Adventist hospital. I drove to their ER, and was upfront with them about my situation and the pain I was having. All while refusing any care that I myself deemed unnecessary, like pain killers. They diagnosed my issue that night (my appendix needed to come out) and scheduled me for surgery in the morning. I was going to go home, and come back, but they really insisted that I stayed in a room there for the night. I didn't want to, because I could see the dollar bills flying past my face, and I fucking hate hospitals. I reluctantly agreed. To my surprise the hospital room was super comfy, and a private room for just myself, with my own private shower and shitter. Not that I could shit, since I had not eaten in days, but it was there anyhow.
I was very surprised when my surgeon came in my room at like 2 or 3am, just to speak with me. I was freaked out because I thought he was going to chew me out. He was very old, and stern looking. But he was incredibly kind and understanding, I remember he had the most gentle touch. Reading this to myself, I know it sounds gay as fuck, but he was just really great. con't
>tfw work in healthcare
>tfw can't work in the States without doing 500+ intern hours and writing a bunch of tests
Fug.
>>80567449
>cette fois-çi
Les Liberaux n'ont pas l'air d'être en voie de perde la majoritée. Plus aucun quebecois ne suit la politique, le nombre de sauvages etniques du tier monde augmente toujours et Trudeau est plus apprecié que Harper.
Quand voudrais tu qu'il y ait un referendum??
>>80568032
wow sounds like you could of used the cdn health care system before it got so bad phaggot!
>>80568032
>relying on religious charity
That's all nice and all but you can't just use that as an example against state provided healthcare. If everyone relied on church hospitals they would be packed full.
>>80568130
D'après ma famille qui y habite encore, le monde en parle de plus en plus depuis Brexit. De plus, il y en a beaucoups de séparatistes dans notre génération... Ça ne me surprendrais pas si il y en avait un dans les 3 prochaines années.
>>80567729
I guess it depends on where you live and shit
no riots
>>80567966
so basically no niggers.
>relative harmony
When we were all white. So was it in the states.
>>80568032
He didn't give me any crap about being uninsured. He just asked
>You don't have insurance?
I said "no" and he just nodded and pat me on my stomach and walked out of the room. The next morning they did the operation, and it all went fine. They fed me right after I woke up, because they knew I had not eaten anything in a long while, and gave me ginger ale. They wanted me to stay for the rest of the day, and that night as well, but I refused. At this point, I figured I was really fucked over, and had no idea how I was going to pay for this all. I really felt like I had been treated super well, and I am not stupid enough to think that all this kindness didn't come with an absurd price tag.
As soon as I was able, I got out of bed, and checked myself out, even when everyone was insisting that I stay for at least until that night, or till the next day. And I still refused any pain medication. Got in my truck, drove to my favorite burger place (I know, I know, fucking burgers. I was hungry) They told me to only eat "surgical soft food" but I was all fuck that, I wanted a burger. And drove home and went to bed, thinking about the gigantic fucking bill I was sure to get on the next few days.
Then the bill arrived. I kid you fucking not, the entire damn thing was 1800$. Less than 2k, and I felt like I got treated like a king. The kicker was, on my bill, the super kind old surgeon, charged me a whopping 275$ for his services. I was blown away.
This was all before Obongocare though. I haven't been to the hospital since.
God bless America.
>>80568433
>le monde en parle de plus en plus depuis Brexit.
Comme partout. C^'est le sujet du mois.
>De plus, il y en a beaucoups de séparatistes dans notre génération...
Relativement au precedentes? nop. Il y a plus de radicalisation ce qui donne l'impression d'un mouvement plus fort mais 70% des jeunes sont immigrés ou pro Canada progressistes.
Même stat dans la plus part de l'oocident.
>>80558676
>Be American
>Injure myself
>Go to ER
>Wait five minutes
>Get my stitches
>Leave
>Get bill
>80% of it is covered by health insurance
>Pay $129 for 15 stitches, pain meds and two free follow ups
>Premium doesn't even go up
Life is good if you aren't retarded and pay for halfway decent insurance.
>>80568880
Si tu l'dis... Mais il en faut pas beaucoups pour qu'ils commencent a faire sauter des bombes encore...
>>80568534
The fuck is it with women being unable to handle a gun properly?
I'm on state medicaid
The best of both worlds :)
>>80569101
Plus de radicalisation, moins nombreux.
Un Breivik quebecois pourrait arrivé.
>>80569128
what makes you say that?
she was actually shooting pretty far away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6QDjDPRF5c
>>80558676
Either Japanese or Korean. You can literally walk into a specialist anytime and need to pay little as $5.
>>80563980
Should have gone to mexico
>>80558676
I work in a hospital in Canada with an American who used to work in US hospitals and in his words the care is better in America because doctors can get sued alot easier for fuckups than in Canada.
>>80568534
>no riots
Because ethnics in Toronto are being bought off. Just you wait when we cut off the dole and they start asking for unusual laws catering to them.
I'd absolutely avoid either the US healthcare system nor the Canadian health care system. I have tried both and they are not only costly, but also fucking time consuming.
Why do I need a waiting period to see a GP? Why do I need to pay hundreds for simple screening? It was all madness and frankly I couldn't figure out how could they manage to pay their hospital bills. It simply didn't make any sense.
>>80569010
>Be Canadian
>Take a hockey stick in the face, bleeding like a motherfucker
>Get driven to ER
>Wait 20 minutes
>Get my stitches
>Leave
>Don't get bill
Life's good if you're a fucking leaf.
>>80569314
Posture is all wrong. Distance or accuracy isn't the issue it's just how she's holding it and her general stance. I don't know if this is from a weird mid motion but it's not the first time i've seen women do dumb shit like this.
She holds it like a man holds a baby
>This is cute now take it away from me
>>80569311
C'est exactement de ça que j'ai peur.
you can't see it but in the middle of this pic the stream turns left, and there'a a big pine tree down that crosses the stream. we used to hang targets on the branches
>>80569797
Because Australia is a healthy country. America and Canada are full of faties, shitskins and degenerates who clog the system and make us pay for their shit tier discipline.
>>80569975
she was pretty good with lots of different guns
>>80562615
There was a black guy somewhere that secured his broken rib with screws, a strip of metal, and a bottle of booze.
other than the wait times the only thing I dislike about canadian healthcare is there is no program in place for IV drug addicts.
They're constantly in and out of hospital care, probably makes up for a large % of spending just on these people who go in for having fucked up bodies because of their lifestyle, get the treatment then go back to shooting up, just to end up back in the hospital shortly later
Canadian healthcare almost got Molyneux killed, American healthcare saved Molyneux. No more needs to be said.
>>80569872
>Be American
>Have a chronic disease
>Can't work, on "shitty" State health plan.
>MRIs all the time.
>Steroid injections constantly.
>Constant doctors and specialist visits.
>Never pay a dime.
>Both left and right in my state say this is "Bare minimum"
>If you have actual insurance in my state you get experimental surgeries that can cure crazy shit.
>Had a friend get a surgery that he was only the 7th person ever to get for achalasia.
>>80561668
Except when you end up with 2 surgeons in a row who Fuck up the same operation like mine did or doctors from other countries who became doctors in a 3rd world countries military procurement.
Our quality of health care is shit. 2 of my grandma's died from not getting enough food or water after 3-4 days of having there surgery bumped until the next day and no one checking there charts for last fed/given water (can't eat or drink 12 hours prior to surgery).
>>80569872
>Don't get bill
>Except for that tax that comes out of every paycheck you'll ever make for the rest of your life.
>>80570160
Nice proxy m8.
Aussies are fatter than Canucks though.
>>80570717
More of your tax dollars go towards health care than my tax dollars do (17% of GDP vs 11%).
The fact that you don't get universal health care out of the deal is pretty sad.
>>80570717
Americans spend almost double on healthcare compared to us
ITT: mongoloids use personal anecdotes in place of actual facts and statistics
we all pay too much for corporate welfare to some of the richest corporations in the world
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/buried-report-reveals-corporate-giants-gained-the-most-in-ontario-business-supports
maybe this is the jobs program, lots and lots of middle men
>>80560773
>Is it a monopoly if there are several insurance companies?
Nope, that's an oligopoly.
any americans still here?
what would you pay for a family a year?
>>80573930
11k?
>>80565329
I'm fairly certain that 60% of the money goes towards making the hospitals perpetually dirty.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/canada%C2%92s-corporate-welfare-bill-30252-dual-income-family
>>80571729
No we don't. It's liberal bullshit that they perpetuate to influence public opinion.
Insurance plans vary per person and per policy. It's not a flat rate.
And our government doesn't "spend" more because if they did, our VA hospitals wouldn't be such shit and Medicare wouldn't be so shit that seniors have to get supplemental insurance to go with it.
