is the social stigma of male virginity a scourge upon society ?
It is yeah, causes too many mental problems.
See: /r9k/
>>80431247
Yes, virginity is not a bad thing everyone should wait until marriage for any sexual activity. This includes a complete abstinence from porn and masturbation
>>80431247
You keep making these threads and they keep being deleted.
>>80431247
That's actually pretty close to what he looked like while he was on chemo lol
>>80433596
Eh, mods are shit on this topic. /pol/ needs to discuss sexuality more often.
Especially considering that sexuality is a major front in a sociopolitical battle and has been for a while.
Not to mention that Reddit shills promiscuity acceptance here constantly, and /pol/ is fucking blue pilled on this subject.
>>80434193
It's an utterly mundane topic, and one that should be shamed for being discussed anywhere and everywhere. Keep it to yourselves.
I wish I lost my virginity to a girl I loved
>>80434371
Considering the sexual liberation was a major sociopolitical revolution, and that a society's view of sex in general has much larger implications, I'd disagree.
Then again, you're a tripfag.
>be virgin
>society puts you down
>low confidence
>can't get laid
>cycle repeats
>>80434497
It's irrelevant. Anyone who gives a shit should off themselves to make life in general just that much less pathetic.
>>80434672
Instead of trying to get laid, why not find a wife?
>>80434734
Yeah, that's not an argument.
>>80434497
None of this is more important than the media literally trying to start a race war right now, to cover up Hillary/The Clinton Foundation. You also don't need to even talk about this on 4chan, where most people already understand (even leftypol, in extreme cases) that degeneracy is an issue. If you think it should be discussed more, despite it not taking priority over the degeneracy involved in the media begging dindus to dindu more, i'm not quite sure you belong here.
>>80434734
Yeah who gives a shit how degenerate and hyper sexualised our society gets, who cares if it's normal that our children are growing up thinking this is the norm?
>>80434497
I would say that everything we do has the potential to be just sexual conflict and I mean that truly.
>>80435014
Yes it is.
p1) Talk about sexual relations is irrelevant.
p2) Anyone who gives a shit about irrelevant topics is pathetic.
p3) Less pathetic-ness in the world is desirable.
-----------------------
c) People who give a shit about talk of sexual relations should remove themselves as sources of pathetic-ness.
That's exactly an argument ;)
>>80431247
It puts too much pressure on young men and feeds into our degenerate, promiscuous culture.
>>80434903
same problem, if you have low confidence your chances of meeting a wife/gf lowers because you lack the guts of showing your true self to others
The true scourge on society is hypergamy and the approval of sexual liberation of women. Male virginity is just a symptom of the larger problem. A hard working man is no longer valued in our society, rather he is cast aside for unemployed chads who are more "exciting" while the average man gets nothing. Or if the average man does get a women, the focus will be purely financial - essentially the man gets duped into giving the women half of everything he's worked for so Chad can add another woman to his harem.
But yes, let's keep denouncing men as evil, racist, Hitler, etc for merely existing. We are close to the end times boys.
>>80435160
Only God cares, and I only care insofar as I'm commanded to call sin sin. All sexual degeneracy is sin. Boom. Done.
If you want me to shame sin I'm all on board, but I don't give a fuck what other people think which is the basis of this thread - "wahh why do other people think virginity is bad" who gives a shit what degenerates think? Call them degenerates - the end.
>>80435474
Read the bible, follow it's teachings and place your trust in Christ. With him by my side I know that no matter what I will have all the support I need to accomplish whatever I want.
>>80431247
I honestly don't get any flak for being a 24 year old virgin, if anything women seem to want me more for it. Guess it depends on the individual and location, I'm doing it by choice in the end for the purpose of abstinence. I've had girlfriends but never had sex with them.
>>80435082
Media coddling of BLM & /cfg/ threads don't take up all of /pol/. They don't even take up the entire front page.
If you want to clear the board up, go bitch about the blatant b8 threads, not threads where actual discussions take place.
>most people already understand that degeneracy is an issue.
Unfortunately, they don't. A good chunk of /pol/ is bluepilled as fuck on promiscuity, and they constantly shill for degeneracy in threads like this.
>If you think it should be discussed more, despite not taking priority over...
Again, a thread on sexuality and a thread on BLM nonsense can both exist on the same board at the same time. Why is that such a hard concept for you?
>>80433403
Enjoy your prostate inflammation.
>>80435733
That doesn't happen.
>>80435733
Quitting masturbating is one of the best things I've ever done in my life. It's even helped with my gains in the gym
>>80435702
>If you want to clear the board up, go bitch about the blatant b8 threads
I am.
>Unfortunately, they don't.
Lurk more. People replying to these inane threads specifically to troll you despite being handholdless virgins do not count.
>Again, a thread on sexuality and a thread on BLM nonsense can both exist on the same board at the same time.
Not when nearly every other thread either; takes a lower priority, is something that has been posted many times before, or is obviously just a thread designed with a subject matter that provokes the mind with intent. Guess which one of those this is. It's all of them. Sage goes in all fields.
>>80435640
You're a fool. You claim moral highpoint but you are a complete fool. A pure indiviudal would see, would know that sexual interaction can be very pure and beautiful. Divine even. This can range to very, very "perverse" things. You are just afraid of a God. If it felt pure and right in the first place, surely God would not want two souls to miss out on experience out of potential... sin?
How is that wrong?
How would that go against God?
Everything that is animal and right goes against God? Then fuck God. He obviously is morally insuperior and I must rise above Him and take my rightful place.
>>80436113
>A pure indiviudal would see, would know that sexual interaction can be very pure and beautiful
Please keep up that delusion. For once Paul and Augustine are right about something, which is that degenerates desperately want their degeneracy and selfishness to be validated as alright. The height of cognitive dissonance.
>>80436477
You will never find purity in this perception, then, because there is none. I am telling you there is beauty in love and sex. If you can't see it, then you never will until you want to.
>>80436877
You can't even define "purity" except that which you like. Because you're a degenerate. Ja ne - try not to end up in hell~
>>80434903
If I cannot get laid or get a gf how would I get a wife?
>>80436992
If you need to argue semantics in spirituality, what the fuck are you doing, spiritually? You sound like a madman afraid of breaking his own spiritual logic. Don't you trust in God?
>>80437066
If you want to attract a certain type of woman you have to make yourself the type of person she would be attracted to.
If you want someone who dresses modest you should dress modest too.
If you want someone who would be faithful to you you should be faithful to her (so stop masturbating and watching porn)
And so on.
>>80436047
More strength or more hypertrophy? Im interested my leaf friend
>>80433403
Agree on sex and porn. But masturbating about 2-3 times a week is pretty healthy, especially during puberty.
>>80437867
>reason is the only way by which any words can convey meaning, and what God has structured the very foundations of reality in conformance with
>"lol why would u fel teh need 2 aply logik 2 words xD"
kys baka desu senpai ;)
>>80437898
>be chad or be a cuck with no free will of his own
>>80435492
This.
Incels are a consequence of sexual revolution.
The question here is: How we reverse sexual revolution?
>>80438438
So, you claim there is a higher power and you follow his will, but he has given you the means to choose your own logic and feeling and that is actually reality.
It sounds like me you are God and just using His doctrine to base your own off of.
If it feels objectively beautiful, how is it wrong? I saw it feel right. I didn't choose it.
>>80439044
>choose your own logic
Woah, I didn't know there was an alternative to x = x, 2+2=4, "thoughts exist", and other a priori true tautologies! Why don't you enlighten me?
Wait. No.
*scratches record*
Hol up.
>If it feels objectively beautiful
Hol up r u sayin
>If it feels objectively beautiful
Hol up rite r u sayin
>If it feels objectively beautiful
W8 hol up r u sayin
>If it feels objectively beautiful
Yo w8 hol up r u really sayin
>If it feels objectively beautiful
Now I know u aint sayin
>If it feels objectively beautiful
Ah shit r u sayin
>If it feels objectively beautiful
Ite we out.
>>80438302
I've noticed an increase in both, when I'm not masturbating I feel like my muscles are harder and look bigger. Also I just feel I have more energy overall so I can push harder in they gym. Not necessarily stronger but just I feel I can do that one extra push if it's getting a little harder and I feel I can jump into the next set a lot quicker.
>>80439593
First rule. There are no rules. This is infinite. A self made construction. God. Nothing will make sense inherently. Us existing, makes no sense. Stop thinking sense makes sense. God objectively put law down in reality. It states good is the only true thing in reality. I have felt sex be a part of that good. I am telling you it's true. You are using God for something else. Sex is beautiful. Two pure partners at the right place can make one of the truly most beautiful moments in time and it be about a feeling of euphoria. A feeling of oneness in two. No ego. Connection. And you tell me God hates it just because of some marital nonsense? You are the heathen. God taught me love. That is what I do.
>>80440573
>There are no rules
Woah broah you're gettin' real authoritarian and self-contradictory there. U ite? U need a smoke? A good vape? I'm the man and you're the man and he's the man as well, doncha know?
>>80440914
Completely ignored the whole argument of everything at face value.
You're a prick. Have fun turning black. It's not fun. It's bad. When you need to assume an identity and stick to it, one would assume you have an identity issue.
>>80434371
TRAITOR
>>80438708
The cure for this degeneracy is basis for good discussion Spainbro, here are my thoughts at least:
Just like in business or any other field for that matter, all about incentives. Right now, as a collective society, we incentivize degeneracy and hypergamy through the media as the "cool" way to act and appear, so we get more of it. As a result, we get more incels that essentially drop out of society since they believe (and are correct) that they are not getting a fair deal.
And I'm not talking necessarily the stereotypical basement dweller, chicken tendies meme of an incel, I'm discussing the incels you wouldn't expect - hard working and on the surface successful men who don't want anything to do with modern society (myself included).
Back to incentives, these men need hope - hope that something will change and they will be recognized and appreciated. Trump would be a good first step to scale back the tidal wave of SJW oppression (at least in America). This would need to be followed by new found respect for the average working man who supports a family instead of dehumanizing him as literally Hitler and rayciss. Though it's unlikley, an end to no fault divorce that's stacked heavily in favor toward women would be beneficial as men would see a reason to settle and marry again. At that point, men would gain hope that they could contribute to society and would willingly do so.
Until then, however, you're going to see a lot more incels, more good hard-working men who have given up on society as it becomes increasingly degenerate.
>>80441391
>You're a prick
>mfw
Maybe don't belt out self-contradictory statements if you want anyone to read you spout your nonsense.
>>80434734
>tripfag thinks he understands who should suicide
>>80441477
I'm afraid I don't catch the reference.
I don't think there's any more shaming now than there ever has been. Virginity is just a symptom of a disease, usually autism or anxiety. It means you have some kind of mental or physical abnormality that prevents you from functioning properly in society and communicating with other people.
People can sniff it out, even standing in a crowd people can smell it on you. It's a subtle mixture of the way you carry yourself, the way you talk, the way you stand, etc that says "Stay away from me, I am sick". You're like the sick wolf in a pack that gets ostracized.
>>80441675
If you knew anything about spirituality, you would understand self-contradictory statements can make sense if put in the right light.
>>80441804
Certainly not the collectivist filth who take pleasure only in violence and degeneracy ;)
>>80431247
No, shaming males for not having sex=pushing males to better themselves.
>>80441949
>you would understand self-contradictory statements can make sense if put in the right light
Oh *PLEASE* show me this "light" by which we can have people who are five feet tall while simultaneously six feet tall by the same measure, or where you can have a married bachelor. Oh *PLEASE* enlighten us with your intelligence~
>>80435492
still don't really see how hypergamy is a problem, its literally just natural selection, it was the norm for most of human history. "average" men are not entitled to breed, they've failed in proving their value as human beings, their traits don't need to be passed on. single mothers should probably not be allowed, but polygyny seems like a fine model, i would have to see studies comparing 'traditional' couples vs. polygynys effects on raising children, but i would imagine its pretty similar, as long as there is a father in the picture.
i'm not even sure where the "unemployed chad" thing comes from, even in hookup culture most of the dudes pulling seem to be pretty successful and "hard-working" by normal standards.
maybe i just haven't spent enough time on this board (or more likely i've just spent too much), or maybe i'm just not male enough to understand this. w/e
>>80441930
>virginity is a symptom of a disease
Or an active choice by people with extremely prude sensibilities or those with moral convictions against engaging in activities that are decadent.
>>80431247
More JUST MOLY
>>80431247
my god, he keeps looking worse and worse everytime i see him. what went wrong in this mans life that he got so self destructive? very sad.
#pray4stefan
>>80442182
Stop and smell the roses.
That means stop and enjoy yourself.
Okay, let's stop and enjoy myself.
Okay, what now?
Stop and smell the roses.
What am I stopping from?
Why am I not just smelling the roses?
>>80441573
I agree in what you say but things are going to get worse. I don't think electing Trump will change anything, and I don't that average working man is going to be appreciated more in the future.
I don't think many people of my generation (I'm from 93) is going to marry and creating nuclear families. A lot of children will born in broken families or by non-marital relationships and are going to be raised by single mothers. A lot of men that I know are broken inside. They will say: "why work harder if I don't going to achieve anything?" "why search a better a job if I don't have to provide a family?" and so on.
I don't think child rate is going to decrease but the new children are going to received very bad parenting.
Forming a stable family is going to be a privilege for the people born in the 80's and beyond.
>>80442771
Is anyone else watching this guy? It's like I'm witnessing a real chuni or whatever the fuck they're called.
Can you make a silly neck-beard weeb pose while exclaiming in a raspy overweight voice "Revolution eternity" and send us a video? Everyone would appreciate it~
>>80442400
Are average women entitled to breed?
>>80442400
I'm not sure that studies quite exist yet for monogamy vs polygamy and the effect on raising a child as you're saying - but then again let's look at the incentives here. Where is the nuclear family? Would the man have the same incentive to care for the multiple children produced with multiple partners that he would from a single partner? Would the bond between mother/father/child still exist in the same way we think of it today?
In nature, you're not wrong that polygamy is the norm and has been for most of history. But then again, think of the model of civilized nations until very recently. Generally, the structure has been largely defined by nuclear families.
As for unemployed chad, generally in hookup culture, it's chads that have come from a somewhat pampered upbringing. Yes, they may have jobs technically, but not ones that require them to do much if any work, thus having the extra time to philander with multiple women. The job, if anything, is expendable since Chad usually has a comfortable safety net. In most circumstances, Chad did not have to work for all of his spoils on his own.
>>80431247
It's women's fault, they're sexually attracted to men who've had multiple sexual partners, it's been proven.
>>80443275
It's a delusion when you act like people are behind you and you aren't yourself.
Kill yourself ego god.
>>80442873
You're not wrong and my theory probably won't cover everyone, but it would be a decent start, even if it just instills hope in some men to take society back. It would be a very gradual process.
I'm from '92 so I see what you're saying. Right now I just work to provide a comfortable existence for myself and I don't have any plans to find even a girlfriend at this point since most women I encounter are so far gone, and know many who feel the same way. While it may be too late for you and I, if the current attitude of society against men shifts, I see that as being overall beneficial to constructive society as a whole. If that happens, maybe the post-millennial generation will be better off (though the pessimist in me disagrees).
>>80444166
>and you aren't yourself
Bye-bye autist~
>>80431247
is this really an issue?
can people tell you are virgin?
>>80443540
they act as the sexual selectors, so in effect they are. i'm not personally saying they should, or that the average woman is better than the average man or anything, i'm not making a normative judgement, i'm just saying that because women are the sexual selectors "natural selection" is mostly carried out against the male sex. not every woman has/does anyway, its only like 80% vs. 40% of men.
>>80443690
not sure about the incentives for care, not sure if it would be any different if a man has 10 children with one partner vs 10 with 3 different partners all living together, i'd need to see a study i guess. i'm not sure if monogamy makes people more civilized or if it was just a side effect of the way society developed, there seem to be differing opinions on that.
and to the chad point: its probably seen as a benefit that he grew up well, he's probably more "well-adjusted", however you choose to define that. "hard work" is not a universal genetic good, its probably preferable to "work smart", like chad/chad's lineage apparently does. again, not saying this is a "good" thing, but it makes logical sense that it would be preferred.
>>80444442
I'm 22 and already I don't have many hope. But I'm not going to retreat so easily. Because I want a family, a wife: a legacy.
>>80445024
Hipergamy means that a % of men don't work, produce or create anything. It also means that a lot of time and energy is lost in inter-fighting between males in persuading females.
>>80444555
Also, you post with an image because it gets you more attention. You feel the understanding.
Yes, because Patriarchy, which implies unrealistic standards in life to men and women. Thank god I'm not straight. I can see what this problem is doing to you people.
>>80445970
>feel the understanding
>>80431247
I think this stigma is actually dying out. When was the last time, outside of 4chan, someone got mocked for being a virgin? When you call someone a "virgin" it just comes across like you're a faggy dudebro or a whore now. Nobody cares and it just makes people roll their eyes.
>>80431247
A scourge? No, because women dont give a shit and they are in power now. Also both in kraut and burguer land they have coon cocks to have fun with.
Also /pol/ is /r9k/ and /r9k/ is now reddit during the day and /soc/ during the night, so its safe to assume that there are "refugees" here as well, which only reinforces the similarity between boards.
>>80445581
>Hipergamy means that a % of men don't work, produce or create anything
....i'm sorry, i don't see how that follows? do you mean the really rich ones who don't need to work? if so, isn't that just a problem with....capitalism? we already have a % of men who do that kek
its possible i'm just missing something, i'm super tired
> It also means that a lot of time and energy is lost in inter-fighting between males in persuading females.
I mean, you could argue that still happens now, most men are still wasting lots of time on it, although it seems like maybe less direct "fighting". the actual, physical fighting was part of natural selection. i'm not sure if that would come back if we moved to a polygynious society at this point, i'm also not convinced it was a universal negative though.
>>80446351
I'm not letting you go.
>>80431247
male virginity is heavily shamed because it motivates men to provide and cater to women in an attempt to lose it.
it basically primes young beta men to believe "YOU ARE WORTHLESS WITHOUT HER AND SHE IS THE GATEKEEPER TO YOUR MANHOOD SO DO WHAT SHE SAYS" and sets them up for a life of cuckdom.
personally I find a society where fucking a woman to be one of the only trials to becoming a man one that isn't worth being kept alive by men's participation.
>>80442400
>>80445024
Monogamous marriage was an institution designed to get the middle ~60% of the male population to act as responsible, hard working plebs in exchange for the opportunity to reproduce - I.e. the most important building blocks of a functional society as we know it.
Notice that polygamy tends to beget indolent shitholes where everybody lives in mud huts because the majority of the population has zero incentive to even try to be productive members of society.
>>80446680
Because they don't have any incentive to work. We already are seeing this Japan: males that gain minimum wage and don't make more efforts because there is no reason for it: they will never have a wife an kids to provide.
>I mean, you could argue that still happens now, most men are still wasting lots of time on it
You actually say this as we are in a monogamous system. We aren't. And of course is not positive the fighting. That's the sex system that most animals have, including niggers. Monogamy works for many reasons and that's why it was copied by others groups when they saw how it worked in others:
1) reduces inter-fighting, more cooperation
2) creation of family: every female an all kids have one man that protects and provides them, males know who are their children
And many more, but I don't feel to make this post longer.
>>80447985
idk how that will even work once things are all automated in a couple decades and we have basic income, we won't need the 'middle ~60%' to be 'hard working plebs', in fact we'd probably be better off if they weren't draining resources. we're already starting to see this, there aren't enough actual jobs in western countries to keep everyone employed, most people are doing bs office or service jobs that can be easily automated, its just getting over the adoption hump.
i have yet to see any evidence of polygyny "begetting shitholes" when controlled for all other factors, it would be interesting to see some studies on that though
>>80448035
i'm just not convinced that the benefits outweigh the cost of not having the least fit ~60% shaved off every generation, and also
1) coorperation is not a universal genetic good
2) polygyny can provide all of those things
saying its bad "just because animals do it" isn't a particularly convincing argument, i'm also not convinced that it was copied by other groups just because they "saw the superiority" or whatever, they were mostly just colonized/converted to religions that enforced monogamy
>>80449092
>least fit ~60%
Homo Sapiens is no longer strictly bound by Darwinism. In Darwinian terms, an illiterate nigger who has 25 kids to 25 women before being killed in a drive by shooting is literally the highest form of life.
Do you really believe that?
>>80449092
Are you sure that the breeding between 30% of males and 70% females are going to be fitter? Not so sure about that... this is way more random than that.
Polygyny can't fix that a % of males will not have partners and at all the problems that means.
Monogamy precedes abrahamic religions. The reason that they copied is because creates stronger societies. I don't is a coincidence that monogamy has been the sexual system of Europe an not of others groups.
>>80449092
>there arent enough jobs in western countries
Actually there would be if our elites werent importing hordes of brown people to work for pennies. Womens "employment" also shits on the labor market since they drain more resources from an economy than they create and very often work soft middle management positions that serve no real purpose other than give them the impression of doing something, sort of like giving your 6 year old son the level to play with while you are doing carpentry.
Furthermore there are a huge amount of trade jobs available, the issue is the pussified cowardly men our "brave" single mommies created shun stuff like diesel mechanic and electrician in favor of useless degrees in soft sciences or business.
yes, its a shaming tactic used by woman to increase sexual competition among men
its on a subconscious level
>>80449432
That's not how Darwinism works, because his violent nature and lack of intelligence increases the chance in which most of those 25 kids end up doing something equally as retarded preventing them from reproducing.
>>80435733
(((You)))
>>80449432
i do not personally believe that, but genetically yes he is the most successful. ideally we could have some kind of iq test based eugenics program (for both sexes) but that will never happen in the current political climate. "the illiterate nigs" are going to be a problem in any type of society though, i'm not sure how monogamy will fix them unless they are literally shot for any adultery. maybe i'm just not creative enough to think of a better solution, idk.
still not really an argument against polygyny though, just stupid people being allowed to breed
>>80450023
yes, i am saying that, at least "fitter" meaning "does better in the current society"
the other males can kill each other or themselves, or get killed by the chadstate if they're too big a resource drain, they're irrelevant genetically if they can't somehow reproduce
ehh, most kings/very powerful men have historically had at least consorts if not full harems, monogamy was never universal, and i still really haven't seen evidence that monogamy was causative and not correlative to the success of those places. i'm trying to find some kind of study on whether the 40/80 thing held up in medieval europe but there is shockingly little research on this, unfortunately.
i'm super tired sorry if this all came out awkward or mean or something, i'm just trying to come to an understanding of the arguments
>>80431247
Hey all.
We're being raided.
Look at this virgin shill
We're not /r9k/
Come to the real threads
/cfg/ General
>>80449854
Red Team
>>80404608
Memetics Division\
>>80417380
>>80442400
>still don't really see how hypergamy is a problem, its literally just natural selection, it was the norm for most of human history.
its not longer the same.
sexual competition is insanely high since there is more availability. and sexual liberation made woman undesirable.
so its not always been like this
>>80451738
>Ideally yes, he's more genetically successful
fitness is not determined in a single generation.
>>80449092
once you eliminate monogamy you increase hypergamy.
and when hypergamy is increased the woman have less incentive to stay with one men and the men has less incentive to stay with a woman
how can you not wrap your head around this, its very simple.
>>80451738
Those who can't get a woman are not going to kill between them, they will try to overthrow the "chads". And they are the high number and they are full of rage.
>resource drain
This is funny. These people could be warriors, "engineers" and (...): more productive than those "chads". By giving them a wife they will give have sth to fight for: incentives.
>>80452934
In other societies the couple is decided at birth
>>80453179
Note how these societies grow weaker and weaker as time goes on.
>>80451213
if you took all of the women out of the work force you'd probably have sufficient jobs for maybe the next 20 years at most, the point still stands that some day rather soon there will not be work for the vast majority.
trade jobs are undesirable to women because they are associated with low class, low social status, and low intelligence. most of the "chads" are not really pussified, i'd imagine most of the 'pussified' men you are thinking of are probably mostly just as unsuccessful as the plumbers, on average.
>>80451886
....okay? i never said it was exactly the same, society is different so there will be some differences, but the overall dynamic is the same. sorry sexual lib made women undesirable for you, but apparently that did not work on the rest of the men so most of them are still desperate to pull
>>80452256
by "fitness" i mean what the women are selecting for, which is generally how well the men are doing in the current society. assuming society changes gradually, this is gradually increasing the "fitness" of the species.
>>80452363
ok, we could remove easy divorce and such, and place harsh penalties on those who cheat, but as long as some sort of family type unit is formed it seems fine
of course none of that will happen in the current climate, but oh well.
>>80452934
i would like to see them try, but the "chads" are currently the ones with the militaries and the nukes so idk how that is going to work
if they wanted to be those things, they could have been, and they would have attracted a mate. you don't give them the incentive first and then tell them to earn it, that is not how incentives work.
>>80453179
>>80453459
....i think you just provided another example of why hypergamy is good? lel
i should probably go to bed soon, but i kind of want to see where this goes
>>80453763
marriages of the 50's-80's were alot more stable than now.
want a better picture? look at the GDP and technological advancements of that time
>>80431247
>>80453968
again, that is a correlation and not necessarily a causative relationship (the gdp and tech, i mean). marriages were stabler because no fault divorce did not exist ( at least in the 50s-60s) and there was strong social stigma against divorcing at all. that could be done with polygyny but it would be a little more complicated, obviously.
>>80453763
Sexual selection is it's own sort of pathway in evolution, distinct from environmental factors that test fitness.
Even if he successfully impregnated women, this does not mean he'll apply the proper fitness needed for his offspring.
You can see the collapse of his lineage from a mile away.
Also keep in mind that rate of reproducton is not an equation of fitness, over reproduction leads to collapse in species, rate of reproduction is determined by ecological niche.
>>80453763
(((more yous)))
Regarding resource drain, these people could already be in those positions, but they could do better. They just have no incentive to work harder. Let's put it this way:
A man could have one of these decent jobs and could be making a good living for himself. However, if he works harder, his stature could be elevated. Given the current societal climate for men, why bother? Even if he earns a little more, is it going to matter? He already has everything he needs and it isn't going to drastically turn him into Chad. it's companionship he really desires, But he knows that isn't going to happen when women file past him barely noticing he is even there. So he isn't going to work harder and improvements in that role are not going to be made.
Again the incentive is for the man to work hard and elevate himself to provide for a family that cares about him. Barring that, if he lives in at least relative comfort, what the hell does he care?
>>80454168
You'd have to present an argument to have an argument with one.
btw, not an argument
>>80454648
This is what already is happening in Japan an what is going to happen in Europe/US/Canada in the millennial generation and the new generations.
>>80454552
that was worded awkwardly but i meant the relationship between monogamy and the gdp+ tech, obviously. sleepy brain.
>>80454635
i'm not really sure of what point you are making exactly, there is obviously no guarantee that every man who is picked by women will actually be good at parenting, the point is that it is better on average that women can choose the best performing men in a given society and propagate those genes, rather than being forced to propagate genes of those who are apparently ill-suited
>>80454648
plenty of men seem to still be successful anyways, perhaps the fatalistic outlook of the "why bother" men is just being selected out at this point, it does seem rather mal-adaptive, genetically. if he enjoys his video games and anime i don't see the problem, its not even particularly cruel, he's being selected out while still getting to have plenty of fun in his free time (or all day, if he's a neet).
>>80455526
>i'm not really sure of what point you are making exactly, there is obviously no guarantee that every man who is picked by women will actually be good at parenting, the point is that it is better on average that women can choose the best performing men in a given society and propagate those genes, rather than being forced to propagate genes of those who are apparently ill-suited
I'm going. Just look who will be our moral leaders with your system (pic related)
>>80455903
not an argument, but goodnight my beta spanish friend, sleep tight :3
>>80455526
From a strict Darwinist approach, sure they're just being selected out in the shitty society they reside in. But the factor of resentment mentioned earlier is avoided with this argument, which may also lead to a decline in productivity. Sure automation has had gains recently, but (and noticeably in the technical field) you need highly skilled workers who control and develop the automation. Chad isn't going to do that work, and the incels have no reason to work that hard to create the automation.
Video games and anime are a meme mostly - but I'll bite. These escapes are merely coping mechanisms. I wouldn't say the incels are "happy" with this lifestyle and likley yearn for more. They just know that it isn't going to happen and their only recourse is to whine about how it's not fair on a Mongolian throat-song recording community.
>>80456114
It's an argument.
You think that what women chose it's the best. I really don't think so. Especially in these degenerate and high time preference times.
>>80456422
there are plenty of well-adjusted, functioning "nerd-chads" to run those systems, if you ever go to a tech company/decent stem department you'll meet plenty of them, all of the engineers i know are like that, i honestly don't think much of the r9k crew was going to be doing high level programming or engineering anyways, mostly just the manual labor and sevice jobs.
i am well aware they are coping mechanisms, i was just pointing out that they might consider it less cruel than the alternative of just being killed, although not all of them would i suppose.
>>80456705
women just choose what is successful in society, if society is flawed then you can endeavor to change it. i and the women i know aren't attracted to dudes who look remotely like that, but that may jut be selection bias.
the point is, they are not selecting for your personal view of what is "good", they are selecting for what is successful. that's it. the point is, unless society undergoes some major unforseen revolution and values are completely changed, their offspring will on average be more successful than if they were forced to breed with "losers" of society.
I'm always curious to know how many men are virgins. There must really be a lot of them considering there's entire boards filled with them.
How many men are being outcast from society?
25 virgin here
Every female I meet is just so boring.
I don't want to just have a hole to fuck. It's not about that. It's about having an intense attraction to someone who has an intense attraction to me, too. Companionship and stuff like that.
Heh, I know how naive right?
I feel like wanting something like that nowadays is laughed at. The human element is now scorned.
>>80457578
Ok. But how the moral climate is going to change if females have power and hipergamy is female power by definition?
>>80458149
Not sure 10%? 15%? But the numbers of incels is even higher.
>>80458308
Relations between females and males have been reduces almost completely to sex since sexual revolution.
>>80458308
No you're not. I had an on/off fwb for 2 years and I just stopped talking to her and started jerking off instead. Great decision.
Sex is a meaningless sensation unless you care about each other.
>>80458149
fairly easily google-able question: very few. its mostly just selection bias from spending too much time on this website.
>>80458784
...if you cannot change a females mind, you really don't deserve to reproduce. men keep claiming to be the superior sex and blaming women for this, but apparently they let us have the "power" and now they are incapable of getting it back. if you can't convince any member of the physically and intellectually weaker sex to propagate your genes, maybe you really shouldn't.
honestly, it should be pretty easy to see why this victim mindset is not attractive in a mate, its honestly pretty pathetic. if overly machismo muscled up hyper-chads are the only ones who can make women not feel disgusted by their mentality, then i guess thats the society we're headed into, but i don't blame the women for that any more than the men.
and with that, i'm gonna go pass out, gn thread.
>>80459436
Men lie so much in these questions...
I agree in part with what you're saying but you can't take away sexual power from women. The only way is impose monogamy/patriarchy.
>>80459688
shit posting from phone in bed bc now I can't sleep
>men lie
ok lol
>you can't take away sexual power from women. The only way is impose monogamy/patriarchy.
still have not shown why that is needed or even good for anybody but the 'losers'. If you can't take power for yourself, if you can't succeed in the current society, there is no reason you should reproduce. Women have always had sexual power, it is still our species means of evolution (environmental factors influence as well but w/e), men just used to use their own power a little more often instead of passive aggressively bitching about their problems.
Anyways, this hasn't been a particularly enlightening argument, but it gave me something to do I guess. hopefully gn for real.
The culture that young people should have a long chain of sex partners before they finally settle down late in life is a recipe for nuclear family instability. The bonding that goes on between sex partners is like a drug, and the more you do a drug the less it works.
>>80434734
>large scale sexual promiscuity has no effect on society as a whole
Tell that to the USSR or any African country.
>>80461627
Do you really believe that they are only 3% of virgins among males?
I think monogamy is the best for all. For alphas, for betas, for gammas, for omegas and for god tier women and below 5/10 women. I have post a lot of reasons why and I have discard a lot by being brief. But you're just ignoring.
>if you can't succeed in the current society, there is no reason you should reproduce
I'm not saying entitled to reproduce.
>Women have always had sexual power
Sexual power of females is severely restrain under monogamy.
>men just used to use their own power a little more often instead of passive aggressively bitching about their problems.
If I am very serious about this it's because I think is one of the greatest problems we face now in the West. This issue causes other problems: immigration, expansive welfare and more. I'm not a virgin, but I would trade not having sex for the rest of my life for a monogamous society. Call it a sacrifice.
>>80441930
T. Chad
>>80431247
hahaha you saved my picture.
>>80462648
Yes, I do believe that, the amount of people who lie on anonymous surveys is negligible and I trust science over selection bias from spending too much time on 4chan.
I am not ignoring, I have responded to every "point" you have made.
>I'm not saying entitled to reproduce.
that is the only biological purpose of mating, if you are saying "entiled to a wife", that is what you're implying. don't be intentionally dense.
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If I am very serious about this it's because I think is one of the greatest problems we face now in the West. This issue causes other problems: immigration, expansive welfare and more.
I have still yet to see any evidence of this, but if you are actually serious about it you can go out and try and changed it, but women aren't going to be the ones to willingly give up their power. Enforced monogamy went down because men gave it up. Women are not going to go back to it out of pity. I genuinely do not think the majority of men should reproduce or have partners, I think this is best for the species, and no one has made a convincing argument to change that.
sweet Lord, please let me fall asleep before I have to read another incoherent response to this thread.
>>80431247
>of male virginity
virginity in general
everyone wants sex to be meaningful, but the prevalence of it kinda ruins that
people who belittle virgins, when sex is basically a reflex to most of the dumbfucks that populate the world, are the kind of subhumans who shouldn't be breeding in the first place
>All these people who think Darwinism still applies in this dag and age
>>80464125
This much newfagging.
>>80464554
>a shark is an argument
>>80465285
Not an argument
>>80464222
No way you have responded, but OK
I'm not entitled to reproduced or have a wife in this system. Even in a lax monogamy I'm not entitled but 96% of males will have a spouse. In a forced one yes, because my parents will marry me.
The evidence is in history my dear. The place where monogamy was the norm produced the greatest achievements and the best societies. You could explain this with HBD, but it's also curious that monogamy was the social norm that the highest IQ groups chose for regulating sex (and therefore society).
Of course I will go and try to convince a woman to marry but I haven't done it because the only two gf's that I had weren't wife material to start so...
And no, that 30% of men bang 70% of women doesn't means that the next generation is going to more intelligent, stronger and so on
I prefer high culture to what a lot times is considered today as successful
>>80465560
>a shitpost is an argument
>>80465600
Again, those are all correlations, when you have controlled for all other factors and shown that monogamy is "better" please let me know. And as I said, the most powerful men in those societies invariably had at least consorts if not harems, there has never been full monogamy.
>And no, that 30% of men bang 70% of women doesn't means that the next generation is going to more intelligent, stronger and so on
No, and that was literally never my argument, I said that they would be more "fit" for the current state of society, which they would be, not that they would meet your subjective standard of "goodness". If you would like the society that women are selecting for to be closer to your standards, go out and change it. I also prefer "high culture" generally, but I don't whine when other people have different taste, I just try to share what I enjoy about it and have an actual conversation.
>>80466877
T. Jodi
>>80464809
Been here 9 years cunt.
When will /pol/ realize that men are historically disposable and not every men deserve wives?
You should fight for it, become a hero (not in the meme way). The world has gone to shit, there are plenty of ways to stand out of the crowd.
>>80431247
I know it's a laughable topic to discuss, but it's kind of angering that, well, with everything becoming "off limits" for jokes, heterosexual male loners who have never experienced sex are still "okay" to make fun of.
>>80431247
Yes but if you tell people you are celibate the average person who would be the type to care about your virginity won't know what you are talking about.
>Tripfag complains about thread that shouldn't be on /pol/
>He shouldn't be on /pol/ in the first place
>19 posts of inane """opinions"""
Tripfags should remove themselves, ree.
