http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2016/07/03/democrats-platform-pushes-hillary-closer-to-single-payer-healthcare/
How can Trump compete against literally free healthcare? Throw in her free public college plans she ripped from Bernie and she's literally unstoppable.
Trump needs to start working off something that's not just about Mexicans or Muslims if he wants to even stay relevant anymore.
>>80420030
FREE THIS
FREE THAT
FREE EVERYTHING
EVERYTHING WILL BE FREE!!!
VOTE FOR ME
Remember when Obama promised free everything?
>>80420030
Doubtful - Everyone knows that Obamacare was an attempt at "free healthcare" for the poor, but it ended up costing everyone an arm and a leg. College loans are expensive because the government is the loaner. It's basically subsidizing the college industry.
>>80420211
>FREE
>FREE
>FREE
Emulating Jews is never good news.
I can't wait to see how those Clinton backers will defend this.
>HURR HURR, FREE COLLEGE?!?! THAT'S STUPID. HILLARY HAS THE MUCH BETTER PLAN
I'm not a Berniebro, but I remember this being one of the bigger arguments Shillary supporters had (at least the ones that kept showing up on MSM).
>>80420552
Do pol fags have any actual arguement against single payer?
Welfare and healthcare aside Im pretty right wing but I cant vote republican because of it.
>>80421168
non whites leech on any system that works with white people
It's pretty fucking obvious when you look at Europe.
Why does everyone go to Nordic/Germany/UK/low countries?
It's all for the free shit.
>>80420030
>nothing could possibly go wrong
>related checkem
>>80421168
Uh, lived in Japan for five years. Ever wait for 4-5 hours to see a doctor? Or see a child born with no epidural, and no private room afterwards? Or break a collarbone and have your doctor demand you get reconstructive surgery and not just give you a sling because of kickback money? Or have a friend get in a motorcycle accident and spend 3 hours in an ambulance because the 10 closest hospitals have no beds?
When the government takes over prices, accessibility suffers - same with Britain, Canada, etc. (You know where people with private insurance get access to cancer pharmaceuticals that their government health care won't pay for).
>>80421168
You don't have the right to force someone to pay for your hospital care
UHC is inefficient compared to private insurance and hospitals. The allure is that it's "free", not that it's good.
We already have government insurance and it's shit. medicaid doesn't even fully reimburse hospitals and doctors which is why most of them don't accept it and medicare is so shit that most seniors have to get supplemental insurance because medicare covers almost nothing.
And retards like you think this is a good thing and want to dig in the pockets of productive people and force them to pay for it because we all know the poorshits aren't paying anything in tax as it is.
>>80420030
>>80420030
ONE POST BY THIS ID
fuck all you assholes for not realizing this earlier
Sage, report, fuck shill threads
>>80420030
Trump should take these issues away from Hillary by agreeing with her.
>>80420030
Hillary will win, the dubs prove it
>>80420030
Great. So those of us who actually pay for our own healthcare get to pay even more.
>>80421644
>>80421693
the real solution should be obvious
subsidize "low income" people while breaking the insurance cartels that are responsible for 99% of the increased costs (like $100 for a Tylenol pill)
>>80420030
Hillary is an android that scans for the most current political meme and emulates it.
She used to be against gay marriage in the '90s, for example. She refuses to make a formal statement on the Keystone Pipeline because she's afraid of pissing-off both oil workers and greenfags. Etc., etc., etc.
She's just a placeholder to maintain the globalist hegemony. Don't be surprised if she backs-out on half or more of her campaign promises.
>>80421693
Forgot to mention that I'm also a veteran, which means I get free tricare and VA care for life and I still don't use it because it's utter shit.
>>80421732
It's true though, just saw it on the news. It's no surprise, the Democrats have adopted Sander's most popular platforms to keep his voters, not realizing that they're pretty much a cult and still probably won't vote for Hillary
>>80421888
counter dubs
>>80421418
Judging by the fact that states like New Mexico, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi spend so much less than New York and Pennsylvania I would have to say this is bullshit.
>>80422035
Insurance companies don't determine drug costs, pharmaceutical companies do and lets not forget that we live in the US, where anyone can sue a doctor for a misplaced stitch and get millions of dollars so Doctors and hospitals have to pay millions in insurance and have to order as many tests as they can so a patient won't sue them for neglect.
And I don't want to subsidize Tyrone or any other poorfag. You want to help them, use your own fucking money.
>>80420030
The American Republic will endure until the day politicians discovers that they can bribe the public with the public's money.
>>80420030
Healthy 29 year old who didn't have heath care.
I was forced to pay $800 each year for when I wasn't covered. This went to welfare niggers to pop out more kids for free.
I now have health care from my employer and could give even less a fuck about universal health care. The fact I was punished for making too much and not needing health care is beyond idiotic.
>>80420030
you need to watch this op
https://streamable.com/qurt
A democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it.
>>80421693
But countries that have UHC, pay about half per capita for similar outcomes.
It is private insurance that is inefficient here. Emperically.
There are places where the free market fails. For instance natural monopolies produce less and charge more than they do when regulated.
>>80421929
The price per capita will be halved. So there is room to pay the same or less.
>>80420211
I'm surprised Oprah has never been president.
>>80422480
no the real problem in the health industry is prices being bid up by insurance companies colluding with hospital, drug companies, etc for higher prices.
http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/blog/why-aspirin-taken-hospital-can-cost-upwards-25
>And I don't want to subsidize Tyrone or any other poorfag
Tyrone shouldn't be in the country but that's besides the point
You want people to get people to the doctor regularly, even the poor or else the get sick with some worse chronic illness and are even more of a burden on society.
>>80422573
That's garbage. They couldn't punish me because I was young enough to still be covered by my father's plan (it goes to age 25 or some sort).
I have insurance through my employer now and it's such an annoying pain to see how much of wage ends up going to health care. Almost 8$ an hour...
>>80423128
like I said before it's largely the insurance companies jacking up prices
Obamacare was part of their scheme to raise prices even further by forcing more customers into the system.
>>80420030
everything is free, nobody pays for it. got it!
>>80422480
Right now you are paying for armies of bureaucrats at insurance companies and at doctors offices and hospitals to fight back and forth about what will or won't be be covered and what care you can have. Me, I see bureaucrats as just another form of leech.
>>80421418
This is why even though I agree with Hillary on these issues I am still a Trump supporter. Close borders first, then work on making your civilization Great.
National Socialism or no Socialism at all.
And really let's keep the socialism to a minimum.
>>80423433
I'll never understand this autistic claim that we spend more because what the fuck is the government spending the money on? Medicaid and Medicare are shit and dodn't cover anything
And retards have the gall to say we'll save more by giving the government more of our money to reduce what we pay in insurance, as if the cost of insurance is static and doesn't vary be person and package.
>>80422035
The real issue is competition. The insurance companies loved the idea of being able to charge whatever and threaten people with tax return penalties because of Obamacare, but then they discovered that only very sick people sign up for Obamacare, and the 20 somethings that were supposed to sign up didn't.
Make insurance companies fight for customers again, and allow medical institutions to treat poor consumers pro bono for tax breaks.
>>80420030
MFW I went into debt to go to college and am going to graduate just in time to see new graduates earn their diplomas debt free.
>>80421168
My understanding on healthcare is the system works when it's very free market, with regulation only on standards and no-brainers (like wash your hands before surgery), or it works when it's very regulated from the top down like the NHS was, where the government controlled it every step of the way and everyone got equal access to the same treatments, and the government paid for it all.
What America has only benefits corporate interests. It needs to be scrapped and replaced, one way or the other. In the meantime I'm buying stock in the healthcare industry companies because there's a lot of boomers with medicare and they're only going to need more care as time goes on.
>>80427449
>nhs
>works
A bloated mess who is ever expanding and will soon explode
