I think I'll try this again since you guys didn't get it the first time, which is okay. You were all probably brainwashed by anti-smoking rhetoric to realize the error of banning smoke indoors. People should be allowed to smoke if they want to.
>B-but what about secondhand smoke?
It's not a health risk so anyone who bans it for that reason is full of shit. That's really the only justification most people usually give for banning it anyway. The real reason is "it stinks and I don't like it" which shouldn't be a bannable offense. That's SJW tier thinking.
>nobody responds
Too afraid to be proven wrong, I see.
> anti-smoking rhetoric
You mean science?
Lobster
>>80412619
Nicotine is a vitamin. Science is a religion. Smoke in a garage. You're fine. Goes through filter. Goes through lungs. No problem. Passive smoke same shit. Turn on a car? Oops you ded. Everything is bad for you. How about you crack another beer
>>80410097
>>muh inconvenience
If it were some pajeet cooking some shitty curry dish stinking up your clothes you wouldn't say shit about sjw defense chimneyfag
bitch on /pol/ all you want to people who don't care, you aren't changing any laws
Smoking bans are pretty gay. I was born far too late to enjoy it in public.
>>80413028
m8, cmon, frequent smokers have been getting lung cancer for decades.
I mean, I disagree with the legal ban on smoking in indoor areas (though I think the business should have the right to ban it if they desire, such as small bars that don't want the entire bar to smell like smoke), but don't act as if smoking isn't a poison.
Smoking is degenerate, you can defend your shitty habit all you want OP. It's still going to be a drain on your money and health no matter how much mental gymnastics you do.
>>80410097
Fucking degenerate drug addict.
>>80412619
No I mean junkscience.
Richard Doll ad the surgeon general completely misinterpreted findings regarding smoking to try and prove a "vaccines cause autism" style link in order to leave the tobacco industry open for lawsuits and money plundering. They were successful. These "studies" we're either completely false statistics or bad surveys that meant nothing.
Then in the 90's they pushed secondhand smoke as a thing, which ends up being successful as well until it was called out by a judge in North Carolina.
http://www.smokingaloud.com/osteen.html
They won on an appeal though, because they're corrupt as shit.
It's simple, yet completely ignored by the people since less people smoke in this country now. As a result people don't want to put up with smells that they find offensive, so they ban it, kind of like how people ban free speech or guns.
>>80410097
>People should be allowed to smoke if they want to.
In their own homes, sure, not my problem if you want it to reek and have holes in your furniture.
It absolutely is a public health risk though, enjoy your chronic carbon monixide poisoning and addiction to the most boring drug possible.
>>80414639
Here's some science. You're actually mistaken.
http://www.smokescreens.org/chemistry.htm
>>80410097
lol OP come to where I am where you cannot smoke almost anywhere outside now.
http://www.nea.gov.sg/public-health/smoking
why? because fuck you and your lung cancer, and all you smokers who take unnecessary breaks at work because of your personal addiction. I shouldn't work more just because your fucked up brain is calling for nicotine.
>>80410097
I just quit smoking, I've been off for 80 hours now and I'm already feeling a bit more active, ofc i wouldn't mind people smoking in the same room as I but isn't it a bit stupid to go against all the studies that says tobacco harms your health?
I mean if i had the choice to smoke 100% organic tobacco with no added shit i would probably smoke but I'm not falling for the mega corps like Phillip morris to take my money and my health
>>80414311
>>80414088
So greatest people of all time were degenerates?
>muh lung cancer
This whole idea needs to be reconsidered after recent findings into the age of cells in our body. We don't have the same lung cells we were born with, they regenerate every 3 weeks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1219995/Believe-lungs-weeks-old--taste-buds-just-days-So-old-rest-body.html
How could smoking possibly do harm to the lungs if the lungs regenerate that often?
What we should be concerned about is fluoride in the water. Science shows that stuff stays in the stomach acid (which does not regenerate, its not cells!) over time and massively changes the ways our bodies digest food.
TL;DR: Until MODERN science determines smoking is bad, we should unban it so as to not be unnecessarily infringing on peoples rights until we're absolutely certain its bad.
>>80413028
>nicotine is a vitamin.
No it's not. You're thinking of nicotinic acid, aka niacin.
>>80415017
>How could smoking possibly do harm to the lungs if the lungs regenerate that often?
Do you not understand how mutations work, or how the cell cycle works for that matter?
Do you not know what cancer is?
This is some insane levels of stupidity here.
>>80414828
They wouldn't be taking breaks if they could smoke and work indoors, pal.
>>80414970
It's not a major health risk. See here:
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/38868-smoking-is-good-for-you/
It's a long ass read, but worth it. Good points are made.
>>80414088
It's a drain because of government subsidies and taxes you moron
>>80410097
You've got your science wrong. Second hand smoke is an issue, and a society can ban something if it doesn't want the thing. Screw the over-liberatarianized "more freedom" crap. Seat belt laws are ok because no reasonable person would choose to avoid seat belts. Smoking is stupid and harmful to health, and limiting it is a perfectly reasonable stance.
>>80415017
>what is the cell cycle
>what is apoptosis
>what is basic biology
>>80415208
The exact same two substances
>>80415241
> Stupid dumbfuck points to FORUM post as science, and even the post notes that his has been debunked. The one 'scientific' graph has no reference and no confidence intervals.
You're an anti-vaxx level dumfuk.
Wait... you... you ARE anti-vaxx, aren't you!
>>80415241
As i said, the old guys were probably smoking good and clean tobacco, I've read that you can find the same substances in ciggarettes that you find in bombs, i mean, the industrial ciggs basically make money on keeping you hooked and buying 1 pack a day.
Tobacco in itself is probably healthy, aswell as cocaine plants which they use in south america, but it's all a matter of how you use it.
For exemple, a homemade hamburger is probably more healty than a hamburger you buy at McDonalds
>>80415238
When cells divide (or the lung regenerates in this example) the cell copies genetic data over, but because of outside forces like the sun this copy isn't always perfect. This causes mutations.
In the case of something like a lung, which regenerates far more often, these mutations would naturally occur much more often thus causing more cancer in lungs statistically than an organ that doesn't regenerate as often let's say a bone.
We simply haven't had enough time since the smoking ban to observe that there was no correlation between smoking and lung cancer.
>>80415552
Actually I'm not. Thanks for trying to discredit people based on things arbitrary to the actual argument though.
>>80415551
Canucks are so stupid. They're different, and only share a pyrimidine component, which is like saying water is like hydrogen peroxide, so why no drink both since they're so similar.
Don't breed
>>80410097
It stinks and shouldn't be allowed in places that food is eaten, because people want to eat a meal in a place that doesn't stink.
>>80415551
No you fucking retard
>>80413028
you're thinking of niggertine.
>>80410097
I totally agreed with you, but I sure have enjoyed a smoke free world. I never realized how sickening the smell of someone's cigarettes were until they were gone. Still, I think that every business should be allowed to make their own choice... and I would just not go into any place where smokers were. Freedom works.... but... now that we are socializing medicine we need for force a lot of health options. Bungee jumping should be illegal. I shouldn't have to pay taxes to subsidize risking sports. Gays should also be illegal. Their health care costs are ridiculous. I think abortions should be paid for but deliveries should not. The cheapest option should be good enough for everyone, besides, raising children is damned expensive and adds to the health care burden.
>>80410097
This secondhand smoke is total bullshit. Somehow the jews convinced people that the smoker who has the cigarettes under his nose gets less damage than the people around.
>>80415769
https://www.sott.net/article/270514-Nicotine-vs-nicotinic-acid-niacin
>>80415679
Not right, dude. The stuff you find "in bombs" is the natural product of combusting complex organic tissue (like leaves). Those chemicals are in any tobacco smoke.
>>80415754
You're making crap up. The literature out of eastern Asia (mostly Japan), the nordic countries with some mainland Europe, and plenty more in the US have already established causal relationships. No capable physician will tell you otherwise.
stop being a nigger
>>80415988
You realize that says that they're different substances, right?
It's truly suffering watching people who don't know basic biology/chemistry try to talk about this shit.
>>80415017
Phillip Morris please go.
>>80416068
Hope you're right haha, I'l do some research on the topic.
Anyhow, it won't change the fact that smoking is expensive as fuck if you smoke 1 pack a day for years like i did
>>80416117
A "piece of piss". One would never have been synthesised without the other. It's a powerful stimulant. The fertilisers are probably worse. I don't really care. They're little mini red bull joint strengthening mental acuity enhancers. Suffered a heart attack? You'll heal better as a smoker. Pregnant? The only thing to give you less preeclampsia
>>80416161
He's fucking right
>>80415241
>smoke and work
yeah you want all those smoke particles and ash to drop in your food, you want customer service to smoke in your face, you want cigarette butts everywhere as if they arent already.
go outside and take a look at the world, man
>>80416068
I should know what I'm talking about. I've worked in the industry for 30 years.
>>80416254
This demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of basic chemistry.
>>80416228
Native reservations. Also who cares. Also plants and birds love tobacco. Also cures exist or there are drugs that help lung cancer and all sorts of cures for lung cancer or otherwise are grown on tobacco. The world's best vegetable. Helps you stay skinny
>>80415551
Hay gaiz pure sodium and chloride is ok to ingest because sodium chloride is just salt.
>>80410097
"Why can't I eat loud foods and moan like an orgasming seal in a public place? I'm not hurting anyone. Fuckin SJW scum wanna take my freedom."
Retarded OP is retarded.
>>80416359
>took chemistry in highschool
>knows everything
>>80416359
>>80416390
Look at the name for B6. Is it as derivative to peroxide as nicotinic acid is to nicotine? Nope. Enjoy your laziness and alzeimers
>>80414782
>It actually doesn't smell like shit!
Smokers smell fucking awful, and I don't want to inhale second hand smoke, harmful or not.
Are you so much of a fucking autist that you can't go out without smoking? Oh wait, you can't just enjoy a night without smoking because it's ADDICTIVE
>>80414973
>appeal to authority
>>80415757
Sorry, it seemed like a reasonable connection given how stupid you are. Seriously, you thought that sad little forum post was meaningful, much less convincing?
So, are you a chemtrail believer? Aliens? Conspiracies? I'm just wondering what other dumfukery you're into.
>>80415988
Please read your own article, thing about what you're done, then jump off a bridge. Canuckistan strikes again.
>>80416254
Smoking makes repeat heart attack more likely and is also one of the top 3 MAJOR risk factors for preeclampsia and and eclampsia.
>>80416488
Your BO smells bad
>>80416520
Cry
>>80416462
I'd take a picture of my pharmacist license but I'm on vacation right now. Fuck off, you ignoramus.
>>80416643
Oops a robot took your job
>>80414332
OP, I respect your opinion and I think you should be able to smoke as much as you like, even in enclosed spaces, even with people near you. If the people are pussy enough to not bitch or leave, they deserve their fate.
I mainly agree with your right is because you will die sooner and all that tax money will be redistributed to benefits for the non-smoking faggots who tend to live longer.
The more non-smoking pansies you have, the less the medical system will be under stress. Smoke and die young. Save the planet kill yourself.
Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever, he should've gassed everyone.
That being said, OP, with all due respect, you are a gargantuan cock-mongler
Hirayama, T. (2000). Non-smoking wives of heavy smokes have a higher risk of lung cancer: a study from Japan. Bulletin of the World Health Organization, 78(7), 940-942.
Hecht, S. S. (2002). Cigarette smoking and lung cancer: chemical mechanisms and approaches to prevention. The lancet oncology, 3(8), 461-469.
Cornfield, J., Haenszel, W., Hammond, E. C., Lilienfeld, A. M., Shimkin, M. B., & Wynder, E. L. (2009). Smoking and lung cancer: recent evidence and a discussion of some questions. International journal of epidemiology, 38(5), 1175-1191.
>>80416388
Well, I've always seen it like this, ANYTHING you eat/consume kills you in some way, sugar is bad, alcohol is bad, too salty is bad, too fat is bad, too much vitamins is bad, etc. It's all a question of HOW you want to kill yourself haha
>>80416693
Japan. Greece. World's highest smokers. World's lowest lung cancer
>>80413028
Nicotine is a vitamin? Chemfag here, you're wrong. Niacin is a vitamin tho.
>>80416693
thanks for all these sources man. unfortunately OP cannot and will not read those
>>80416775
Nicotinic acid has nothing to do with its name and with nicotine. K
>>80416411
You can't do that in public? How do you hunt seal?
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3cy4rv/eli5_why_is_indonesias_lung_cancer_rate_so_low/
>Some good answers here but to me the most obvious one is that people don't live long enough to develop lung cancer.
>Some statistics:
>Average life expectancy of Indonesia: 70.61 years (source: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN/countries/ID-4E-XN?display=graph)
>Average age of lung cancer diagnosis: 70 (source: http://www.cancer.org/cancer/lungcancer-non-smallcell/detailedguide/non-small-cell-lung-cancer-key-statistics)
>Therefore in developed countries where the risk of other life threatening diseases is lower people are more likely to live long enough to develop lung cancer. In poorer countries such as Indonesia there are other more life threatening illnesses that lower the life expectancy and prevent people from living long enough to develop lung cancer.
>>80410097
>"it stinks and I don't like it"
other than a stinky shitty smell of tobacco and God knows what else for chemicals, the smoke makes it hard to breath when smoking in an enclosed space
>muh smoke
faggot, try breathing with non smoker lungs and get told "deal with it, its fine, its not that bad"
fuck you, you selfish inconsiderate asshat
>>80416687
What the fuck did you just say to me you little faggot? I'll have you know I graduated top of my Pharmacist class and have been involved with numerous prescriptions.
>>80416821
>>80416693
lol dumping a giant block of links is not how you win an argument libtards.
>>80412513
No, it's just that this is so incredibly retarded that it doesn't merit a real response. Enjoy your ashtray breath, chimney man. So sorry the rest of us don't appreciate the noxious stench of your habit of choice.
>>80410097
smokers are 100% one of 3 things:
1. trash
2. feminized cucks
3. ball-less faggots with zero self control or will power
>usually all 3 is correct
conclusion: op should suicide
>>80416693
>I mainly agree with your right is because you will die sooner
>>80417109
suree you did
>>80417132
the thing is you dont win, you already lost by participating
>>80410097
>Second hand smoke is not a health risk
Proof?
>>80416643
>pharmacy
>get a note from doctor
>find pill on shelf
>count pill
>put in bottle
>label bottle
Your parents must be so proud
>>80416747
Try harder, faggot. Japanese men smoke a lower number of cigarettes and the cigarettes are milder.
Takahashi, I., Matsuzaka, M., Umeda, T., Yamai, K., Nishimura, M., Danjo, K., ... & Nakaji, S. (2008). Differences in the influence of tobacco smoking on lung cancer between Japan and the USA: possible explanations for the ‘smoking paradox’in Japan. Public Health, 122(9), 891-896.
>>80417147
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17163954
retard
>>80417305
and I make 120k for doing so. U mad?
>>80417088
Exactly. I have friends that smoke and I can't breath in a car with them. I did once and I struggled to breath the whole time and it gave me a headache. Not their fault, but yeah agreed anon.
>>80415754
Exactly.
This is like correlating vaccines with autism or correlating cell phones with cancer.
>>80417547
>not their fault
of course not, they had the freedom to smoke, you had the freedom to leave. but you didnt
>>80410097
Fuck off shill
>>80417132
I don't read sources: the post
Smoking isn't bad for you guys. Don't you see? The kikes don't want you to give your money on their cigarettes.
If you don't pay the kikes, they win.
>>80413028
Vitamins are essential compounds required to upkeep life functions. Somehow I still made it to age fifteen without ever actively inhaling it, strange vitamin, this one.
>>80416327
Which industry? I'm curious.
>>80417132
"Stupid libtards using sources."
>>80417305
You couldn't be further from the truth, I quit being a pharmacist because of the shit we go thru.
>triple, quadruple, octuple check count
>Inventory fucking everything
>Always running out of painkillers on by first Friday of the month.
>Crazy fucks trying to say I shorted them percs
>People flipping shit when prices go up / don't have the right insurance
>Getting put on lockdown because co-workers steal/miscount pills
>More drug tests than days in the week
It isn't finding and counting that's fucking ridiculous, it is the paperwork and inventory management that is shit.
>>80416502
>appeal to intelligent successful people
>>80410097
I would agree with you if the kind of fancy air filtration systems that they have in Vegas casinos were inexpensive enough so that more public spaces and private businesses could afford them. In the case of the latter, I also think that a business should make the decision for themselves on whether or not to allow smoking in their establishment.
I don't smoke, but I honestly don't have a problem with people who choose to and anyone who unironically complains about secondhand smoke is a massive pussy and a busybody schoolmarm with nothing better to complain about. Not even a libertarian, btw.
>>80417147
/thred
>>80417943
what do you do now since you escaped that hellhole
>>80410097
>It's not a health risk
You're a fucking idiot and you deserve your lung cancer
But even if secondhand smoke wasn't toxic, it ruins the walls, makes the building smell like shit forever, ruins books, pictures, computers, and can cause acute respiratory distress in people with asthma or other preexisting respiratory disease.
>>80417170
Nice anecdotal evidence, friend. Vaginas smoke milder and smaller cigarettes.
>>80410097
Smoking is a filthy, degenerate habit that ruins carpets, walls, paintings, pictures, hair, skin, and the nose. It's literal trash that only calms people down who are already addicted.
>>80418183
and lesser
>>80417517
>Try harder, faggot. Japanese men smoke a lower number of cigarettes and the cigarettes are milder.
Older Japanese people have been known to go through three fucking packs a day, dude. That isn't "lower"
>>80415754
What are you even talking about, if you've worked with this you'd understand that smoking is carcinogenic containing arsenic and polycyclic hydrocarbons and not only this, but smoking wipes away type 2 pneumocytes, Clara cells and paralyzes the cilia.
Oh and let's not forget COPD and the mucus gland hyperplasia of chronic bronchitis
>>80417803
Tobacco. I go from farm to farm to make sure no one is illegally planting our seed
>>80418309
where is your source you faggot
Maybe... maybe.... we should let the OWNER of the property decide what behavior is allowed on the property? Hmmm..... woah.
>>80418070
I'm logistics and computers
Think massive turnkey solutions, I set everything up with a team, box it back up and get a LTL driver to take it to an installer onsite.
Pay isn't the best, but it is better than being a pharmacist.
I had to stay late on friday because the driver got into a wreck on his way to get 9 600lb skids, was there till 7pm getting overtime waiting around for another driver.
At least they weren't going overseas, because then we would have to re-schedule everything, from the plane to the driver on the other side.
>>80418378
is the seed trademarked or something
>>80415754
You're almost there you just haven't reached it yet.
Yes, alveolar lining replaces itself regularly. Similarly to skin. But guess what, when you expose the cells to damaging substances such as high temperature vaporized organics, you increase both the rate of non-mitotic mutation and the rate at which the cells must be replaced (and therefore the rate of mitotic mutation). It's the exact same reason that long term UV exposure causes skin damage.
>>80418510
Yup. Growers need to pay us for seeds every year. THEN, we have to make sure their neighbors aren't using the fly away seeds in their crops.
>>80417959
>These people smoked when everyone else smoked therefore smoking isnt bad
you really suck at logic.
>>80418492
hey that sounds loads better than being a pharmacist desu, If I were working that it would be like a ticking time bomb before I say fuck it all and leave
>>80418485
some people are so entitled to their ciggs and muh freedom to do whatever they want
>>80418309
My good, friend, yes, Japan has a high per-capita consumption of cigarettes, however we only factor in their number, and not the quantity of nicotine and gudron.
Moreover, Japanese have a healthier lifestyle, (barring the amerifat meme) and drink less, quoting from Takashi et al (2008)
> lower alcohol consumption by Japanese males
> lower fat intake by Japanese males
> higher efficiency of filters on Japanese cigarettes
> lower levels of carcinogenic ingredients in Japanese cigarettes
> and lung-cancer-resistant hereditary factors among Japanese males
you should really read at least the abstract, anon. I'm not linking them just to appear like a pretentious faggot
>>80418183
She probably smoke more than 1 million cigarettes during her life and what? aren't the cigarettes an evil death sentence?
For the record, everything I said was satire. Smoking is bad, I just wanted to point out how easily the smokefags believe pseudoscience, and it worked.
>>80418378
So, you admit to being a tobacco shill and expect people to take you seriously?
>>80417757
Sources mean nothing usually, these "studies" don't matter. How they're interpreted matters. This link in the thread linked below this paragraph interprets studies and actually deconstructs smoking studies to show why they're flawed and come to th incorrect conclusion it's unhealthy, mainly because they are corrupt due to government jurisdiction.
>>80415241
>>80410097
1. fuck you you stinking piece of garbage subhuman
no 2 cause you're not worth it
>>80410097
>it's not a health risk
[citation needed]
>"it stinks and I don't like it" which shouldn't be a bannable offense
What is private propety?
You're just mad Vapes are taking over.
>>80418968
I know what you mean.
Have friends who claim they want to quit for 10 years, still on their cutting down phase.
>>80418969
You call people vaccine shills for administering vaccines ou fucking cunt? This is about the shill gambit, a way to discredit someone simply because he works for the industry.
Are GMO 's bad for you too? Do you think Monsanto is evil?
>>80419079
Good goy, hate things because of [no reason].
>>80419048
yeah your posts dont matter. go smoke till you die as I interpret your posts as junk
>>80418968
Dude piss off then if you're not going to take things seriously.
>satire
MAN YOU'RE A REAL GENIUS AAAAAAAH
>>80419244
GMO corn doesn't put free radicals into my alveolar sacs.
>>80417294
Prove that it IS a health risk. Burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, retarded conservative.
>>80418668
Best part is I actually get a lunch AND breaks, I might have to stay late because I am the DESIGNATED shipper (I'm one of 2 certified for IQC, Import/Export, among other things) but they never cut my hours, never hold me unpaid while a rolling lab comes to perform a secure drug test, and I haven't been robbed at this job.
Hell, I don't even chainsmoke anymore, a pack lasts me a WEEK now, I might have one after lunch and when I get off, a couple when i drink. But I don't get that blinding rage and anxiety anymore that I would quell with half a pack of cigs.
>>80418963
More than probably, the lovely lady in your picture smoked more than a million cigarettes. Does that mean that everybody that smokes a million cigarettes will live to 100? What if it only works with females?
What if it only works when you start smoking when you're older? (you don't know of the granny started smoking at 90 years just because she stopped giving a fuck)
What if you found an image of a 100 year old man sucking dick on his birthday? Would you start sucking dick?
>>80419244
>You call people vaccine shills for administering vaccines ou fucking cunt?
Vaccines are good for something.
>>80419048
Literally the first line in the post is
"Most of this topic has been debunked. There exist some examples of individuals who survive longer because of genetics and good habits, but the combinations are rare. It's like shopping for time points."
Well played OP, I fell for the bait, 9/10
>>80418662
>smoking is degenerate
>all of these non degenerates and anti degenerates of the past smoked
its you who fail at logic. Smoking was part of American culture. The jews didn't like the whole masculinity thing though.
>>80417673
Good job that's what I said, but my point is I'd agree that there's very fair reason to tell people not to smoke in enclosed spaces indoors. It's not a "ew it's mildly inconvienient to me", it's "I can't breath faggots".
In someone else's car, that's different. I'm not an asshole. In a public place, smokers could fuck right off with that shit.
>>80410097
If you think smoking is degenerate then you probably also think Alcohol is degenerate. Maybe you should just join the caliphate already.
>>80419516
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44330/
>>80419079
Yes good goy, ban alcohol and other stress relievers as well. Goys should never be able to relieve the stress of a hard day so they become dependent on our stress reliever.
>>80420123
COPD is a lot more of a stresser than your job.
>>80419603
http://www.forces.org/evidence/sammec/newproof.htm
>>80410097
Noone wants to deal with your smoking. Thats all you need to know.
Anti smoking laws are a fucking joke. My paras both worked at a bar, Burning Tree, and due to fucking sissy fuckers, managed to get a nice smoking ban inplace, and closed many stores and kicked out MANY people from their own city, and state
>Commiefornia
This tore apart familys. It killed people. All so a bunch of limp wrist fuckers could go into a smoking bar with their frie-
OH WAIT, IT'S SHUT DOWN NOW, YOU PANSY FUCKERS
People fucking died or where left homeless you piss ant fuckbuckets
>>80419928
Booze is great. Breathing smoke is just dumb as fuck. If you want a stimulant there's better ways to take them, or any drug, than burning them and breathing the smoke.
>>80420574
Nice scientific peer-reviewed source there, newfriend. Was this the best you could do with google?
I am a smoker myself and I know each and every cigarette I smoke will mean I will live less. The amount of damage-control in this thread is astounding.
>>80421057
Citywide bans are dumb. But any facility should have the right to ban smoking.
>>80421270
It was FORCED. Zero tolerance bullshit...
>>80421270
>>80421363
Also meant to say, yeah, agree with your statement. This shit tore me away from my home, friends, neighbors. Fucking wreaked us to this day
>>80419710
That's the mods being corrupt and shutting the it's thread down because they didn't agree with him.
This is like ducking global warming, you need to consider how far reaching the corruption and brainwashed mindset is.
CANCER FAGGOT
>>80410097
>Supporting cancer
I wonder who is behind this
>>80420412
COPD is genetic and isn't caused by smoking.
>>80421713
It's ok, OP. I fell for the bait. No need to rub it in.
If the mods are corrupt, why didn't they erase the thread and banned anyone that spoke out altogether?
It's the internet, not physical newspapers from the archives that need to be doctored.
4/10, the defense was too bovious, also
> lawls, le libterds link
> check my link
but the shitposting is great, keep it up, kid, you're going places
>>80421193
There are plenty of more material in that site, (not that it would make you read something and think by your own, but just advising), you seems to prefer the opinions of the well stablished $cientitsts so far.
Also I don't smoke (in case of if you are thinking that it is a confirmation bias).
>>80422274
This is like global fucking warming, they won't think for themselves. They'll just watch Inconvinient Truth again.
More anti-smoking nonsense.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~ray/TSSOASb.html
http://www.smokingaloud.com/ets.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/01/doll-j09.html?view=article_mobile
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/28/local/me-tobacco28 (Enstrom's legitimate study was shit on by anti-smokers)
>>80422274
Wew, lad, yeah, the powerful anti-smoking lobby permeating the scientific community, as in modern medicine.
I'm sure there's money to be made in NOT selling cigarettes. I mean, how could the guys selling cigarettes even compete?
Also, this
>>80421980
(((Buy my cigarettes, they're good for you, gib sheckels))
Also, confirmation bias is irrespective of you are smoking or not, it only means that you tend to interpret new evidence as a ~confirmation~ of your existing beliefs, more precisely, your belief that cigarettes aren't bad for you.
Remember kids, sage foes in the options field
hmm, i'll try a cigarette
>light it
>smoke blows in my face, smell clings to skin and hair
>smoking hand reeks, several washes barely remove odor
>only "buzz", "high", or "effect" is a few seconds of light headed i-can-barely-walk-straight-ness
>feel all the carbon monoxide in my body slowing me down after
>nose constantly producing tobacco buggers and nasal congestion
>throat always coated in coagulated mucus that needs to be expelled ie spit out all through the day
>addiction alters blood pressure and mood, demanding a return to smoking at one's usual intervals
>quitting is hard as fuck and makes you feel depressed, ill, and worthless
>habit ramps up and soon you're buying several packs per week
>all while ruining your health
yeah, sounds like a fucking blast. what's the upside again?
>>80423080
upside is for the people selling ciggs, not for peasants
>>80419954
Appeal to Authority Fallacy anyone?
>>80410097
They smell like shit and stink up the joint. But you're right there is not much reason for a government ban. if the government really thinks they are so bad they should just ban them outright, otherwise take your huge tax slice and shut up.
Also it cracks me up when people in big cities whine about second hand smoke and then don't even notice they breathe carbon monoxide all day from automobiles and trucks.
>>80410097
This is how it all went down:
They pushed second hand smoke because the tobacco companies always backed the GOP. Dems were jealous of all that money and waged a propaganda war against big tobacco.
The vast majority of Americans said "meh, we don't care if they smoke, it's their body". So Dems had to twist reality so that it was no longer a personal freedom issue; ie: second hand smoke.
After years of being shot down, some hack "proved" secondhand smoke was a genuine threat to others and then the media finally broke through and convinced people it was true.
Once the secondhand smoke lie was accepted as fact by a majority of Americans, smoking bans were easy to put in place, as were extreme taxes, etc. Everyone had been convinced that smokers were LITERALLY attacking them if they caught even a tiny whiff of cigarette smoke.
In the end, smoking is fucking stupid. It's a nasty habit and it kills the user. That said, smoking bans are a complete infringement upon property rights, and the second hand smoke lie really only exists because Dems were jealous about big tobaccos support for the GOP.
If you don't believe me, just look at liberal logic surrounding tobacco vs EVERYTHING ELSE.
Sexual promiscuity, homosex, dog sex, pedo sex, drugs, alcohol, etc etc. All of that shit is fine, but tobacco? Oh god that's the devil's substance, if you smoke you're the most evil person on the planet...
>>80423080
pussy i do meth
>>80410097
Smokers are confirmed Addicts. I am always going to be all for banning anything that makes people degenerate addicts. The alcohol ban gave us the mafia but the gradual smoking ban is doing better, and if we ban smoking it makes it easier to keep marijuana from being legal too.
Stay mad addict fags :^)
>>80423543
That requires the NIH to have unfounded arguments. It does not. Whats next, using the word "sheeple"?
>>80423543
Appeal to authority is along the lines "the big boss-man said so".
Anon cited a paper that used cohort studies and case-control studies. To cite statistics is not to appeal to authority.
Also, fallacy fallacy.
*tips fedora*
>it's not a health risk
>was literally rushed to the hospital because I couldn't breathe since my parents smoked around me when I was 8
How the fuck is 2nd hand smoke not a thing in your fantasy world? If inhaling 2nd hand smoke isn't dangerous then why would smoking be unhealthy in the first place?
Get your head out of your smelly tar-ridden ass.
>>80423656
This is really interesting. Do you have any useful source that sums this up?
>>80424054
I feel like a campaign against alcohol akin to the one against smoking would work extremely well. Blanket banning never works for anything. What you need is slow societal change that turns people against something.
>>80424337
You probably couldn't breathe because you had a genetic deficiency or vitamin/diet problem that lead to it.
It's very rare to have kids with smoking parents who are rushed to the hospital.
>>80410097
You are literally retarded. I hope you get cancer and die.
>>80424707
Dont worry, he's puffing hard for you.
>>80424590
>it was obviously your diet or genetics and not the cancerous smoke you were inhaling
Jesus, stop being so much in denial. If I had a genetic deficiency I would've known that by now since I had a very active childhood.
>>80415265
You imagined me making a different point than I actually did then you argued against your own imagination. Neat.
>>80424707
>death threats
The final avenue of the anti-smoker when false studies and fallacies no longer work.
>>80413028
>Nicotine is a vitamin
U fucking wot
Nicotinic acid, or niacin, is a vitamin
Nicotine is not the same thing
That's like saying vodka and perfume are the same
>>80425031
>threats
Keep smoking untill you're fully brain dead, which isn't far away apparently. :)
>>80424972
>cancerous smoke
I'm sorry that your feelings have mad you misattribute a correlative factor with the cause of your condition, but there is no scientific proof that what you were exposed to caused your condition at all.
What else happened before you were sent to the hospital? Any number of things could have actually caused it.
>>80425492
what happened before OP ded?
>smoked
ah thats what
>>80424590
>breathing smoke doesn't cause breathing problems
>smoking around children is a-okay
You are either seriously retarded, a paid shill or just pretending. I can't tell which.
>>80425277
>That's like saying vodka and perfume are the same
It is to our injuns, along with lysol and listerine
>>80410097
I ban nudity and sex in public because I don't like it.
I ban loud music in public because I don't like it.
I ban masturbation in public because I don't like it.
I ban pan handling in public because I don't like it.
Go be a filthy degenerate somewhere else.
>>80426114
Prove that it isn't okay. I've provided links pointing to evidence that it isn't a problem.
I've actually done a lot of research on the subject and the percentage of lung cancer patients who smoke is usually the only statistic provides. If you look up the number of smokers who actually get lung cancer it's barely higher than the general populace. Sorry if this has already been stated didn't read the whole thread. I've smoked since I was 16 and I have no problems resulting from it and I run regularly ( in the military).
>>80428105
>I have no problems resulting from it and I run regularly ( in the military).
Well that's the thing, you need to be active, otherwise you lose lung capacity fast. I smoke and so do most of my friends, the basement dwelling potatoes get winded after a flight of stairs, while myself (I frame houses) and another guy I know (who's a brick layer) can easily swim a mile without panting like a bitch. Coincidentally all the potatoes are huge stoners as well, that can't help.
>It's not a health risk
[citation needed[
>>80429221
Already posted links throughout the thread dude. Sorry that you can't read.
>>80416693
>Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever,
How about you have an original thought of your own, you plagiarizing cunt?
>he should've gassed everyone.
Hitler didn't gas anyone, you mouthbreathing retard.
I hope you die. I seriously do.
>>80430374
All of those studies were ideaology garbage too. Surprised he thought he could get away with posting them.
>>80430812
>my forum posts and shit are completely right
>actual scientific studies are just ideological bullshit
>>80431090
I've posted references to studies too that proved it wasn't a health risk. Studies aren't the end all be all by the way. They can still be wrong.
>>80430374
I sure won a lot on inter-butt e-peen bleppit points for theat lulzy joak. DAE funny mane.
Yeah, I copied Bill Hicks, noice callout I guess.
Also, what is Tabun gass and why was it used by the german military?
>>80426283
but 10 years ago it was extremely common here to see bums drinking cheap bottles of cologne to get drunk
i went to latvia last month and saw one doing the same thing
>>80431513
Please, provide citations to peer-reviewed studies, and not to forum posts, and I swear you will close all our mouths. But you won't because you can't.
We all know who does the real science: forum posters where even the mods are corrupt, and not $scientists
>>80431717
>Romanian
Didn't realize who I was talking to. Sorry for being insensitive of your culture.
>>80431513
>I've posted references to studies
Which thread did you post them in?
>>80417943
Why the fuck isnt that shit automated? Like one of the easiest jobs ever to do robotically, vending machine style. I bet the answer is jews regulating the fuck out of it, mandating jobs for there nephews. Because they are fucking jews.
>>80418668
You've never had to deal with the massive ass pain that is customs on an lcl container that gets searched.
They literally rip the fuck up on everything, mix your shit with everyone elses shit, break half your shit and (get this) you gotta pay them to do it. Three weeks later (you paying per day for storage) they decide you weren't smuggling anything, your manifest was correct and they release what's left of your shipment.
They can do this just willy nilly when ever the fuck they feel like it.
Oh and your boss thinks its all your fault for some reason.
Fun fact, getting a shipment off a boat and onto a common carrier truck costs more than all other legs of a shipment combined.
God I hate international freight. And yes they count Puerto Rico as international, because reasons.
And my fucking hell acronyms for everything, and half of them have the same acronym as with domestic trucking but mean completely different things. It's maddening.
I didn't knew there was tobacco shills here
>>80414973
Kennedy definitely was a degenerate.
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