Singapore currently has no laws against female circumcision. Parents can take their child to a hospital and have her clitoral hood incised or excised for no medical reason. Most of the parents who have this done to their daughters are Muslim Malays.
More information
http://theislamicmonthly.com/a-tiny-cut-female-circumcision-in-south-east-asia/
This practice is internationally condemned as a human rights violation. Children are too young to consent when this is done--it is an involuntary violation of a girl's bodily integrity.
Singapore should step up and ban this practice immediately.
>>80358009
Oy vey ! Why are you against circumcision ?
As long as male circumcision is considered legal and """acceptable""", I have no sympathy.
Suffer our pain.
>>80358009
OY VEY
*cut's foreskin*
GOYIM CAN'T YOU SEE
*sucks babies penis*
HOW BARBARIC FEMALE
*licks babies blood from lips*
GENITAL MUTILATION
*sells foreskin*
IS
*pockets profit*
YOU SHOULD STOP IT NOW
*rubs hands*
>>80358009
Are there laws against male circumsision?
If not then females should also get circumsisions.
>>80359633
>>80360050
It's not the same thing at all. The foreskin is technically unnecessary, and a circumcised penis works just fine. Whether or not male circumcision is a good idea is another question, but the point is that it doesn't inhibit the function of the penis.
Female "circumcision" involves cutting up the clitoris for no fucking reason.
Also, male circumcision has roots as a practice done to show a covenant between man and God, making it a holy practice. Female circumcision is simply genital mutilation.
>>80360307
what happens if women don't have the clitoris in their vagina?
>>80358009
Piercing a baby's ears before they can consent is pretty gross.
Circumcision is just removing a little skin that is not needed and is a holy practice, people that have it done as children don't mind it for the most part as adults and function fine without it.
>>80360307
Bringing Religion into it, well some religions say female circumcision is a good thing so thats no argument
Foreskin is unnecessary? what makes the clitoris necessary again? its not needed for a woman to function or have babies
>>80360598
>people that have it done as children don't mind it for the most part as adults and function fine without it.
that's because they don't have a choice
I don't know about banning it, I would rather it done in a hospital than on some fuckwits kitchen table
>>80360611
At no point in any holy book does God, through a prophet or an angel, condone or even mention female circumcision.
>>80358009
Fuck off fag, stop complaining about retarded bullshit. Singapore keeps circumcision legal because otherwise it's Muslims would be fucking uppity, like they were in Singapore during its early years.
Why not just abolish islam as a whole?
>>80360611
The clitoris is equivalent to the head of a penis. It's literally the same base organ.
>>80359633
>>80360050
Two wrongs don't make a right. I also oppose male circumcision strongly.
>>80360307
>It's not the same thing at all. The foreskin is technically unnecessary, and a circumcised penis works just fine.
The foreskin's mucocutaneous zone is actually the most sensitive part of the penis. It's the penis's primary sensory structure, and no, a penis does not work "just fine" without it. It lacks the gliding action, the majority of dartos muscle, and the main collections of specialized nerve endings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2yW7AaZFw
The human animal is unique among mammals in the fact that we have the majority of our specialized sensory end organs in the foreskin. No other male mammal shows such a specialized pattern of erogenous nerve endings in the prepuce as man.
>Whether or not male circumcision is a good idea is another question, but the point is that it doesn't inhibit the function of the penis.
It does. Watch the video. It fundamentally alters the way the penis feels and moves.
>Female "circumcision" involves cutting up the clitoris for no fucking reason.
In Singapore it involves removing or nicking the clitoral hood (which is also erogenous tissue although not nearly as muscular or large as the male prepuce, to which it is homologous). It generally does not involve cutting the clitoris itself. It's still wrong.
It's done for religious reasons as well.
>>80360307
It is mutilating a child's genitals against their will.
It is 100% the same thing.
The fact you're even willing to make a distinction shows you're a fucking Grade-A cuckold.
I bet when a women says "we need to end violence against a women" you nod your head in agreement, instead of responding with "why not end violence against everybody?"
Equality is a two-way straight, fucker.
>>80360890
>The clitoris is equivalent to the head of a penis.
Not in sensory terms. Histological analysis shows that the female glans clitoris and male glans penis have vastly different patterns of innervation.
Beyond that, the type of female circumcision generally performed in Singapore is the incision or excision of the clitoral hood. Read the article.
Not that I'm defending it.
>>80360782
This.
Singapore is the successful multicultural society because it has strict laws in place to protect every culture. Insulting Islam or trying to ban Islamic practice's like circumcision is illegal.
The upside of this is that it is also illegal for a Muslim to criticise any non-Islamic culture.
>piercing a baby's ear
Fucking why do women do this?
>>80360895
If you support ending violence against everybody, then you should support ending violence against women.
You should work to raise awareness of FGM especially in developed countries.
People think FGM only happens in Africa. They're dead wrong. It was done in the US (legal until the 90's) and is being done in Singapore right now.
>>80360307
There are forms of female circumsision that only have the effect of reducing pleasure (just like male circumsision). So many forms of female circumsision it doesnt inhibit the function of the vagina either.
Male circumsision involves cutting of the foreskin for no reason except ???? and if you think the foreskin is useless (pro tip: its not) youre a brainwashed shabbos goyim.
The foreskin not only lubricates the head of the penis but also protects and its nerves and prevents infections of the urethra. Thats why circumsised dick heads look like deserts and have almost all of the most sensitive nerves destroyed.
And female circumsision is a holy practice in islam, so religion arguments dont work here.
Either ban both or none.
>>80361600
>The foreskin not only lubricates the head of the penis but also protects and its nerves and prevents infections of the urethra. Thats why circumsised dick heads look like deserts and have almost all of the most sensitive nerves destroyed.
The overwhelming majority of the nerve endings in the head of the penis are pain sensors. Although there are some pleasurable sensual nerve endings there (a tiny number), the majority of erogenous specialized nerve endings are going to be in the frenulum and ridged band of the foreskin--not in the head proper.
>implying the Singaporean upper class gives a shit about what the Malaynigger peasants do
>>80358009
All circumcision should be band. Both forms are abuse.
>>80360307
>it's okay to put someone through unnecessary pain resulting in potential psychological problems, insecurity and a damaged self image because of my backwards religious beliefs.
Nah mate, you need to end yourself along with all the filth that subject the unwilling to this fucked up practice.
>>80361600
i'm circumcised but i still have skin covering the head of my penis, it's just trimmed so it doesn't look like a retarded ant eater full of dick cheese
Here is another example of a parent in Singapore taking their daughter to get circumcised and posting about it in Facebook.
These are not isolated incidents.
>>80360598
Don't speak on my behalf filth.
>>80360307
not an argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_zkKciuIpA
>>80362490
>i'm circumcised but i still have skin covering the head of my penis
Then you're partially circumcised. Still, you would have lost most or all of the ridged band.
>it's just trimmed so it doesn't look like a retarded ant eater full of dick cheese
A lot of intact guys have foreskins that just cover the head, like you.
And a lot of defensive and hurt guys with complete circumcisions would rag on you for not being circumcised enough and having "cheese" as a coping mechanism.
Barring rare cases, the human reproductive organs are fully formed and highly specialized tissues. They don't need to be carved into some specified shape, least of all when you're too young to consent.
Both practices reduce sexual pleasure. Very good. Sex is unholy and should only be for reproduction. That's what is wrong with the world today.
>>80360598
>circumcision is just removing a little skin
That's not true.
>>80361372
>If you support ending violence against everybody, then you should support ending violence against women.
If you support ending violence against everybody, then you should support ending violence against men.
>You should work to raise awareness of FGM especially in developed countries.
Not while you ignore mass scale MGM in the First World
>>80362930
>If you support ending violence against everybody, then you should support ending violence against men.
Agreed.
>Not while you ignore mass scale MGM in the First World
Well, I don't.
When I posted this thread some of the very first posts were about male circumcision and I specifically stated I don't support that either.
And then when MGM defenders came into this thread I began working to correct their misconceptions.
>>80358009
ew what the fuck yo
>>80358009
buttmad roastie cutfag is mad
cry harder bitch
>expecting a chink/mudslime combo to be human
wew
>>80363191
>>80363328
Posts like this are really not helpful, please show some respect.
>>80363451
Respect towards bronze-age culture?
lmao
>>80363451
Chink
>>80363451
Shitskins nonetheless muslim women have respect in anyway.
Imply harder
Most Western countries currently have no laws against male circumcision. Remind me to care about what happens in the third world once that is sorted.
>>80360357
No fun ever.
>>80358009
Honestly, I don't get why any parents circumcise their kid, both female and male. It's flat out stupid and disrespectful to the child.
>>80358009
If you're against female genital circumcision then you should be against male circumcision no questions asked.
>>80363803
Some women who had their clitoris and labia removed as adults claim that sex is just as good as it was before.
>Despite growing up and studying in the U.S., Ahmadu chose to be circumcised at age 21 in her home country of Sierra Leone. She was already sexually active at the time and told Insight that the traditional initiation ceremony, in which her clitoris and labia were cut, did not negatively impact her sexuality.
">I was surprised to find out that there was absolutely no difference in terms of my sexual experience, sexual feeling, ability to achieve orgasm,” Ahmadu said. “There was absolutely no change at all."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/02/19/circumcised-women-can-have-healthy-sex-lives-expert
Personally I find it hard to believe.
That she can still enjoy sex, I can believe that--the vagina has erogenous tissue inside it, and the clitoris extends internally so there is still some of it left, even if the glans is cut off.
That there could be "absolutely no difference" does not square with what we know about the innervation of the external genitalia and what happens to nerves when their endings are cut off. That's the part I find hard to swallow.
Either way it shouldn't be forced on children.
>>80358009
It does not prevent the person from living a fulfilling life. Sure, sex may have chance of sucking, but it's degenerate anyway and real men prefer modest, circumcised women to filthy sluts anyday.
>>80363993
I have made abundantly clear already that I am against male circumcision too.
>>80364381
>It does not prevent the person from living a fulfilling life.
If someone hacked off your nipples or cut off a toe that probably wouldn't stop you from "living a fulfilling life" but it would still be battery/ mayhem.
>>80358009
kill all cutlets
>>80364215
The most pleasurable thing to do, for most women, is to play with the clitoris, I guess Ahmadu just never did that or prefer things to be only vaginal.
Both fingering and oral sex focus mainly on clitoris, without it both activities loses their je ne sais quoi.
This article is surely bullshit. Circumcision is wrong both on male and female.
>>80358009
Yeah I honestly don't give a fuck. Never seen a large group of women stand up for ending male circumcision, or ending sending men to die for Israel, or fighting on behalf of men for fairness during divorce and/or custody battles.
Just, yeah, 0 fucks.
Now that I have already made it clear I'm not in favor of circumcising boys I want to ask if you guys have some ideas for how I can raise awareness of fgm and how to end it.
By the way, this is not just an issue for Singapore.
Now there are American doctors saying we should legalize female circumcision here in the US.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-fgm-law-idUSKCN0VV2LE
>Countries that have banned female genital mutilation...should allow less invasive practices such as small surgical nicks to girls' genitalia as a compromise, two American gynecologists said on Monday.
>But campaigners against FGM strongly criticized the proposal, saying it would undermine global efforts to eradicate the internationally condemned ritual.
...
>The ancient practice usually involves the partial or total removal of a girl's external genitalia. In some cases the vaginal opening is also sewn up.
>But some communities practice less invasive rituals such as pricking or nicking the clitoris.
>The U.S. gynecologists, writing in the Journal of Medical Ethics, argued that permitting more minimal procedures could allow families to uphold cultural and religious traditions while protecting girls from more dangerous forms of cutting.
>Communities which support FGM often consider it a prerequisite for marriage. Many also see it as a religious obligation although it is not mentioned in the Koran or Bible.
But FGM can cause a host of physical and psychological problems.
Gynecologists Kavita Shah Arora and Allan Jacobs said procedures that slightly changed the look of a girl's genitalia without damaging them were comparable to male circumcision or cosmetic procedures in Western countries like labiaplasty.
>Laws against mild modifications were "culturally insensitive and supremacist and discriminatory towards women", they wrote in the specialist journal, which is published by the British Medical Journal.
whats really wrong with female circumcision? It keeps them from thinking about sex and focus on more important things.
>>80358009
>America
>caring about Singapore.
We have no laws against female/male circumcision nor for it and it's up to the baby's parents.
OP is a fag
>>80364943
Are you serious right now?
>>80358009
Or we could just get rid of genital mutilation altogether you kike.
>>80359633
The clitoris is almost the same as the glans (or bell-end). A female circumcision is like having the end of your knob cut off not just the skin around it.
>>80360820
Underrated
>>80365074
It's not just Singapore, now some American doctors are advocating bringing this to the US
see >>80364934
>We have no laws against female/male circumcision nor for it and it's up to the baby's parents.
I know you don't have laws against it but you should. It's literally a form of sexual battery
>>80365322
>The clitoris is almost the same as the glans (or bell-end).
It's homologous, but the size, function, and pattern of innervation are radically different.
>A female circumcision is like having the end of your knob cut off not just the skin around it.
You clearly didn't read the article I posted in the OP.
>>80358009
>T reduce capacity of women being cunt whores
How this is bad?
Check based Singapore
>>80365215
Oh. My. God.
I made it very clear already that I am NOT in favor of male circumcision and I have made at least 5 (probably more) posts in this thread correcting the misconception that it's "a little snip of extra skin" or whatever, because I know it's not and I don't agree with it.
>>80365422
The Singaporean doesn't give a fuck really because this is not quintessential to the safety nor affect birth rates. It's not pro-life/pro-abortion bullshit neither. Literally a non-issue.
Go back to fucking plebbit.
>>80358009
I don't give a shit about shitskins and their backwards "traditions" as long as they don't bring them here.
Why do libruls always have to stir shit up when no one cares?
>>80365605
Women pleasure must derivative from serving man not genital pleasure
This keeps the bitches docile
How this is bad
>>80358009
Who gives a shit no one is going to fuck that muslim pussy anyway
Keeps the girl from being a slut and there's pretty much no trauma to speak of considering it's a newborn.
Circumcision, either male or female, is practiced natively by 3 cultures, Jews, Africans, and Islam.
Everybody saying "It's no big deal," is being cucked by one of those 3. Fuck right off with your 'Muh Degeneracy' meme, your Kike, Nigger, or Sand Nigger betters expect your asshole to be properly douched out this time.
>>80365662
>The Singaporean doesn't give a fuck really because this is not quintessential to the safety
It's a violation of body integrity in and of itself.
>>80365810
Yep Muslims and Singapore do well because they keep women on leeched
>>80363328
>Chink/mudslime
Not really,they are Malays which are basically jungle Asians
>>80365810
>Keeps the girl from being a slut
Superstitious and misogynist
>and there's pretty much no trauma to speak of considering it's a newborn
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/trauma-and-children-newborns-to-two-years
>Trauma can have a serious effect on babies and toddlers. Many people wrongly believe that babies do not notice or remember traumatic events. In fact, anything that affects older children and adults in a family can also affect a baby. Traumatic and life-threatening events may include incidents such as car accidents, bushfires, sudden illness, traumatic death in the family, crime, abuse or violence.
>Julie
>Muslim
nice try ching chong
>>80365690
>I don't give a shit about shitskins and their backwards "traditions" as long as they don't bring them here.
We all deserve human rights.
>Why do libruls always have to stir shit up when no one cares?
It's not just happening in Singapore. For the third time I'm saying this--now there are US American doctors who are supporting legalizing it RIGHT HERE in the USA
>>80366164
Snail,Muslims in our country are pretty westernized
>>80366235
>We all deserve human rights.
No, they don't. Who the hell do you think you are, telling everyone what's right and what's wrong?
>It's not just happening in Singapore. For the third time I'm saying this--now there are US American doctors who are supporting legalizing it RIGHT HERE in the USA
Then do something about that first before whining about Singapoor and other third world countries.
>>80366531
>No, they don't. Who the hell do you think you are, telling everyone what's right and what's wrong?
I'm not a moral relativist. Some things are literally wrong and should be stopped.
>Then do something about that first before whining about Singapoor and other third world countries.
Singapore is not a third world country
>>80366531
>Singapore
>Third world
Triggered
>What did you just say about my nation you little bitch?I'll have you know my internet is cheaper than yours will ever be and I have over 3 gbs of wifi for 65 dollars.I'll make you regret ever saying that my country was third world son.You are nothing but a pathetic country with cucks.I will find you,and I will shit National Service all over you kid.
>>80366740
>and I have over 3 gbs of wifi for 65 dollars
My internet is cheaper than yours.
>>80366295
well, they're not muslim then, ching chong
>>80366809
Its copypasta.
Do you guys really get that good internet?I thought 3gbps for 65 dollars a month was amazing.
>>80366845
Just like westernized Jews.
But they are pretty bro tier.
Source:Had an allahu ackbar bail me out and stand up for me when I was studying countless times
>>80366890
I said cheaper, not better.
>>80360307
>The foreskin is technically unnecessary, and a circumcised penis works just fine
mad cutfag detected
Singapore government is a bunch of turbocucks who will do anything to appease every group in their multicultural utopia. Appeasing muslims is the reason homosexuality is still technically illegal there.
>female circumsion
Where does this originate? There's no factual evidence that females need to be circumcised and neither does it exist in arab practice.
>>80367157
Oh.
Things here have fucked up prices anyways.
My house is worth 600k and I'm lower middle class
>>80367231
The alternative is leftards who want to give free citizenships to foreign workers.
>>80360611
> No Christian Religions
Who cares?
end circuckcision in the US first
>>80358009
Hitler would have prevented this.
>>80367234
The true origins of female circumcision are lost to history, but take a look at this excerpt from the article I posted in the OP for a little background info. This is only part of its history--most likely not the ORIGINAL origin.
>The overwhelming majority of Muslims in Southeast Asia follow the Shafii school of law, which declares FGC as wajib, or obligatory. In contrast, the other three Sunni schools, together with the Shia schools, consider FGC a sunnah or a recommended act. Just like male circumcision, there is no mention of it in the Quran. The form of FGC taking place in Southeast Asia seems to follow this general and gender-neutral rule from al-Nawawi to remove the prepuce at a young age, but also at an older age if it causes no ‘harm’.[xvi] This ruling is found in his chapter on taharah or purity, indicating that the concern was for the cleanliness of the genitals, especially the area under the prepuce, and consequent validity of acts of worship. Indeed, about half of the reasons mentioned above by midwives and parents for the practice reflects a concern for hygiene.
>With regards to hadith, or Prophetic sayings, there is much debate on which are considered authentic, and therefore authoritative enough to be taken as a source of law. The most commonly-cited hadith (here) mentioning circumcision has been used to both promote and discourage FGC. Other hadith that mention circumcised parts (here and here) are also making a larger point about purifying one’s body after sexual intercourse, but not necessarily ordaining circumcision. Other hadith whose authenticity cannot be confirmed variously urge to not “cut deeply”, “abuse”, “cut into”, or “exceed the limit”, but instead to “trim”, “reduce the size of the clitoris”, or to “cut off only the foreskin”.
>>80367368
Hitler loved muslims and blacks,was a half jew,and an overall gun grabbing anti intellectual
>>80365322
>A female circumcision is like having the end of your knob cut off not just the skin around it.
No, not really, because that would entail the destruction of a fair portion of the urethra. That's not an issue in clitoridectomy because the urethra is not routed through the clitoris, because (spoiler alert) the genitals of the two sexes are actually rather different.
Look, you're talking about structures that are by textbook definition "homologous" as if they were "analogous", and that's ignorant. And trying to figure out the exact dong-snatch conversion ratio is a stupid fucking waste of time. Let's just look at it objectively; male circumcision entails the removals of several centimeters of flesh with some 20,000 odd nerve endings, female circumcision entails the removal of less than a millimeter of flesh with between 5000-8000 nerve endings, depending on what source you trust for the numbers.
If you think the former is a harmless cosmetic procedure while the latter is a human rights abuse, you may need to sit down and re-examine how you arrived at that conclusion.
>>80358009
don't care
as long as only the mudslimes do that to themselves I don't care
doesn't affect me anyway
my government ensures that all muslims in singapore are kept under a tight leash
we have security agents patrolling all mosques and informants within
muslims are openly discriminated against in the military and that's open policy
can you say the same burger? with all your rights and freedoms?
Female circumcision != FGM
>>80367786
why the fuck do you care
mudslimes mutilate each other, isn't that what you burgers want?
>>80358009
Okay, can we also end Male Genital mutilation here in the US?
>>80367990
Secretly white men are cucks who want to fuck arabs
>>80367909
>muslims are openly discriminated against in the military and that's open policy
I don't hate Muslims as a people so I don't think that's a good thing. Some of my best friends are Muslims.
>>80367990
>why the fuck do you care
a little thing called empathy, concern for other people, ethical principles, human rights...
>>80368104
yes I would agree with that
>>80367938
you should probably kill yourself.
>>80367231
>turbocuck
>authoritarian government police state
Pick Ein, Mehmet Ozil.
ORDNUNG MUSS SEIN
>>80367938
Even forms of female genital cutting that are technically "non-mutilating" are still wrong if they're performed without dire medical need on a person who can't consent.
>>80368390
Roastie detected
Its really not. FGM cuts the clit off. Circumcision just trims it up a bit, just like male circumcision
>>80368225
I can't tell whether you're cringy troll or a fucking plebbitard.
>>80368492
>Circumcision just trims it up a bit
It is cutting off flesh you disgusting degenerate.
The clitoris is necessary for female pleasure. The foreskin is not. Argument over
>>80368623
I'm not supporting it, I'm just stating facts
>>80366845
Kek.
Only muslims and kikes cut off foreskins ever
>>80368492
The clitoral hood itself is functional erogenous tissue. It's not just something "extra" to be cut off.
>The prepuce is a common anatomical structure of the male [1] and female [2] external genitalia of all human and non-human primates; it has been present in primates for at least 65 million years, and is likely to be over 100 million years old, based on its commonality as an anatomical feature in mammals [3] Certain cultures have excised the prepuce from children to conform to societal standards, while other cultures accept the complete external genitalia as normal (Fig. 1). The motives for circumcision in preliterate cultures are difficult to define, but include rites of passage, blood sacrifices and cultural markings [4].
...
>The prepuce is an integral, normal part of the external genitalia that forms the anatomical covering of the glans penis and clitoris...The prepuce is a specialized, junctional mucocutaneous tissue which marks the boundary between mucosa and skin; it is similar to the eyelids, labia minora, anus and lips. The male prepuce also provides adequate mucosa and skin to cover the entire penis during erection. The unique innervation of the prepuce establishes its function as an erogenous tissue [8].
...
> Although a Fourcroy grade 1 female circumcision would excise less tissue than in a male, this comparison cannot be used to justify female circumcision. Excision of normal, erogenous genital tissue from healthy male or female children cannot be condoned, as the histology confirms that the external genitalia are specialized sensory tissues.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf
>>80358009
>read picture
>oh fuck they are making a baby boy be a girl and cutting up his dick
>fuck the current year
>oh its only female circumcision
I don't care about shit countries doing shit things.
>>80368736
Don't forget nips. These idiots still think that circumcision will prevent disease.
FGM is meant to keep women from becoming whores. If women's can't enjoy sex, they will not go around looking for men to fuck.
>>80368825
Top kek. Like their penises arent small enough
Muslims are insane, evil fuckers
>>80368850
This, it's like you want your women to be sluts.
>>80368725
So you're saying you're cool with girls getting their foreskins cut off for no medical reason without their consent?
>>80368458
holy kek, you're hilarious
>>80368949
Did you take a wrong turn at tumblr or something? Tell someone who gives a shit that it's harder for you to whore around.
>>80368458
Your "founding father" was a based man. It's good not to get fooled by all the roaches and lefties with a German flag. And supposedly Hillary Shills tend to use German proxies aswell.
>>80368929
>Asians calling other Asians small dicked
>>80368825
There are a lot of clinics in Japan trying to get men to get circumcised. They advertise in men's magazines, recommending circumcision as a firstline treatment for phimosis (or simply a longer foreskin, which they call "false phimosis")
Still, infant circumcision is rare in Japan.
>>80360307
>Americans
>>80369055
Who gives a fuck about 'muh dick muthafugga'
That guy is probably a nigger
>>80369010
Your personal attacks are not appreciated.
>>80369055
>>80368788
>Cuckstralian shitposting
Shouldn't you be at a pub or a party getting drunk or something?
>>80369205
Tell someone who gives a shit, legbeard. I wish every woman in my country was circumcised, we could end the slut epidemic.
>>>/tumblr/
>>80369035
Yeah thought so. Look at his (((response)))>>80368971
>>80368949
No. Im saying the opposite. Female genital mutilation is wrong. Denying people's right to sexual pleasure is wrong.
>>80369510
So you agree it's wrong to cut off a girl's foreskin without her consent?
But earlier you said it's not "necessary for sexual pleasure"
>>80366113
>misogynist
Go back to the cesspool you came
>>80358009
So they feel nothing from sex?
>>80369914
the thing that belongs in a cesspool is genital mutilation, because it's shit
>>80370024
It doesn't remove ALL feeling because it doesn't remove ALL the nerve endings of the genitals, but the clitoral hood is protective and erogenous tissue and removing it would reduce sexual sensation because it would remove the sensation in that tissue. By definition you can't feel normal sensation in tissue that has been removed. (and before someone brings up phantom limb pain that is NOT the same thing as normal functional sensation)
The clitoral hood is useful tissue with lots of nerve endings. stealing it from a child before she can even consent or understand what she is losing is wrong. Even "symbolic" forms of genital cutting that don't actually excise tissue, like cutting the clitoral hood without removing it (or "just" removing "a little piece") are still sexual battery.
>>80369510
I wonder if BIG black cock is the white women top choice for sexual pleasure.
>>80370024
trims the clitoral hood not the clitoris, so its pretty close to male cutting.
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>>80358009
It's kind of difficult to really nail down the correct answer in the circumcision debate. I think that it must really come down to each individual. There are several studies online looking at men who have been circumcised after the age of 18, and in all of the studies there is a split between people who feel more pleasure/less pain, less pleasure/more pain or no change at all. In some studies the majority even say that the circumcision was a positive change. I think that's enough to prove at least that circumcision is not uniformly bad or harmful. And keep in mind that there are medical complications that can require a circumcision (which is why there are enough adult men for studies like that), even something as simple as your foreskin being too tight. The AAP does say that there are medical benefits to circumcision, just not enough to make it a routine/required practice.
Female circumcision isn't the same at all though. There aren't any medical benefits to it whatsoever. The clitoris is extremely sensitive, it's usually like the size of a mini M&M with all of the nerve endings in a dick. Without the clitoral hood and the lubrication that it provides, the extremely sensitive clitoris would be exposed and causing extreme pain. It would also be at greater risk of infection.
>>80371202
Women wouldn't feel nothing without their clitoral hood, but what they would feel would be painful.
>>80371202
See
>>80368774
Also
>Two types of erogenous zones exist in the skin: nonspecific and specific. In the nonspecific type the skin is similar to any other portion of the usual haired skin. The nerves supplying it are composed of the usual density of dermal-nerve networks and hair-follicle networks. Examples of this type of skin are the sides and back of the neck, the axillas and the sides of the thorax. The pleasurable sensation perceived from these regions is simply an exaggerated form of tickle. The pleasant associations and the learned and anticipated responses concurrent with the stimulus produce the final amplified central sensation.
>The specific type of erogenous zone found is found in the mucocutaneous regions of the body. Such specific sites of acute sensation in the body are the genital regions, including the prepuce, penis, clitoris and external vulva of the female and perianal skin, lip, nipple and conjunctiva. It is the special anatomy of these regions that require the term "specific" when one speaks of erotic sensations originating in the skin. This anatomy favors acute perception. The rete ridges of the epithelium are well formed and more of the organized nerve tissue rises higher in the dermis than is true of haired skin. The relationship between the anatomy of the skin in those structures and the nerve supply is shown in figure 1. The structures, as hair follicles, that occupy the dermis determine to some extent the neural formations. Dermal thickness also is a factor. The inverse relationship between mucocutaneous end organs and hair follicles as one moves from glabrous to haired skin should be observed.
http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/winkelmann/
The clitoral glans itself is not the only erogenous part of the external female genitalia. The female foreskin (clitoral hood) is also a specific erogenous zone of junctional mucosa.
>>80371805
>There are several studies online looking at men who have been circumcised after the age of 18, and in all of the studies there is a split between people who feel more pleasure/less pain, less pleasure/more pain or no change at all. In some studies the majority even say that the circumcision was a positive change. I think that's enough to prove at least that circumcision is not uniformly bad or harmful.
Lots of women after getting their clitoris or other parts of their genitals excised say that there was no change, or that sex got better. But I don't see how that's possible unless they had something wrong with their genitals to begin with or they're just rationalizing it. Once you remove tissue you can't feel the pleasure from stimulating that tissue anymore, full stop.
>The AAP does say that there are medical benefits to circumcision, just not enough to make it a routine/required practice.
The AAP is biased in favor of male circumcision because they're from a cutting culture. And in 2010 they suggested legalizing FGM until people got them to back down.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/722840
>Female circumcision isn't the same at all though. There aren't any medical benefits to it whatsoever. The clitoris is extremely sensitive, it's usually like the size of a mini M&M with all of the nerve endings in a dick. Without the clitoral hood and the lubrication that it provides, the extremely sensitive clitoris would be exposed and causing extreme pain. It would also be at greater risk of infection.
I don't think there's any data showing that women without clitoral hoods are more likely to get infections (after the wound has healed), but that's rather besides the point. it's still mutilation and should not be done without consent.
>>80371805
>>80372456
Also note that I'm not saying it's impossible that women without clitoral hoods WOULDN'T be more likely to get infections (the prepuce may serve an immunological function), i'm just saying I don't think there's data on it.
>>80359633
This. Fuck off island bombers
>>80372456
Okay, show me the studies about women post-circumcision. Are you actually saying that you don't think circumcised people feel pleasure? That's not true. My husband is circumcised and is extremely sensitive. There are millions of circumcised men that don't just feel nothing when they have sex and I'm sure you might argue that they're feeling much less pleasure but the studies that I've read indicate otherwise, in my opinion. I'll find one.
From what I've been (((taught))) (take it with a grain of salt I guess) the clitoral hood protects the clitoris from bacteria.
>>80372797
I am the OP and I have done more in this thread to argue against involuntary male circumcision than pretty much anyone else here. just saying
>>80372456
Here's one of those studies. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022534705650987
>>80372979
>Okay, show me the studies about women post-circumcision.
Okay. But don't take this to mean that I support female circumcision (especially on girls too young or otherwise unable to consent). I want to make it crystal clear that I don't.
http://www.fuambaisiaahmadu.com/academic-publications.html
>Are you actually saying that you don't think circumcised people feel pleasure?
No, I'm saying they don't feel the pleasures of stimulation of the tissue that was cut off.
>My husband is circumcised and is extremely sensitive.
But he can't feel the sensation in the parts of his penis that were removed. Also not all circumcisions are the same just like not all female circumcisions are the same. He might have more erogenous tissue than the next circumcised guy. There are different kinds of circumcision.
>From what I've been (((taught))) (take it with a grain of salt I guess) the clitoral hood protects the clitoris from bacteria.
That wouldn't surprise me if it were true. Moreover, it is also sensual tissue in its own right.
>>80373196
Well firstly the study showed that the majority of those men were having problems with their penis. (most of them had phimosis).
So these were not typical uncircumcised guys.
And a lot of those guys ended up being dissatisfied (about a third).
In a different (and granted, very small) study, women with phimosis who got circumcised as adults were generally pleased with it. But most women don't have phimosis so this might not apply to most women.
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/gyn.2009.0093?journalCode=gyn
the thing is, the prepuce (male and female) itself erogenous tissue with lots of nerve endings. Once that tissue is gone it simply cannot be stimulated anymore, nor can it aid in stimulation of the glans penis/glans clitoris.
some people will end up being okay with that, others won't. it should (at least) be up to the person owning the body to decide.
>>80360307
>The foreskin is technically unnecessary, and a circumcised penis works just fine. Whether or not male circumcision is a good idea is another question, but the point is that it doesn't inhibit the function of the penis.
holy shit fucking cutfags need to die
>>80370081
I bet that if women were cut in West things would be much more easy. When women are allowed to do whatever they want for pleasure you know the shit that happens
>>80374770
A more constructive response would have been to explain that and how he's mistaken.
>>80358009
Serious question, why is female circumcision denounced but male circumcision isn't? Socially, you never hear it in the same connotations as female.
>>80375540
Cultural perceptions. if you lived in a culture where female circumcision was performed, you would hear them spoken of with similar connotations to male circumcision.
In the US female circumcision didn't really catch on as much as male circumcision did. But it did still happen. It was only banned here 20 years ago--there are cut american women even today. one victim of fgm at the hands of an American doctor wrote a book about it and started a web site and youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/RapeOfInnocence
>>80375540
>>80376342
Also as I've mentioned already now some American doctors are trying to legalize """""mild""""" forms of involuntary female circumcision / genital cutting and one of the arguments they're using is (i paraphrase) "well you can cut off a boy's foreskin so why shouldn't we be allowed to make little cuts into a girls' genitals if that's what the parents want".
I posted a link to an article about it earlier in this thread.
>>80360611
>what makes the clitoris necessary again? its not needed for a woman to function or have babies
OH DAAAAAAAYM, SON
>>80360307
>It's not the same thing at all. The foreskin is technically unnecessary
It's vice versa, retard. The clit is not necessary. It's the only organ in the body that has only 1 function (pleasure), whereas the male foreskin has several functions.
>Female "circumcision" involves cutting up the clitoris
No, it doesn't.
>Also, male circumcision has roots as a practice done to show a covenant between man and God
Fuck off, kike.
>>80376483
The doctor got fired for even making that suggestion. On the other hand doctors got silenced for even suggesting that male genital mutilation has a negative impact.
>>80376775
>That image
You know what else could help prevent HIV, probably better than FGM? Condoms.
>>80376945
>The doctor got fired for even making that suggestion.
I think you're mistaken about that. Check the article.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-fgm-law-idUSKCN0VV2LE
As far as I know they're still practicing gynecology.
>>80377067
Sex is loveless with condoms.
>You know what else could help prevent HIV, probably better than FGM? Condoms.
Prove it.
>>80377191
I was talking about another doctor though. He got fired, don't have the article right now.
>>80377211
>Sex is loveless with condoms.
Eh, I'd say that's an exaggeration. Also a lot of the sex that results in HIV infection is casual sex so there's not much love going on anyway.
>Prove it.
You already know that condoms prevent HIV, don't play at being obtuse.
>>80377570
>You already know that condoms prevent HIV, don't play at being obtuse.
You don't play obtuse, retard. Prove that condoms IN PRACTICE reduce AIDS. Establish condom shops in Africa and then show that AIDS goes down. There's more to STDs than the statement "Our method prevents AIDS in theory".
>>80377411
Ah, I see.
Well I'm glad he got fired.
As I have made clear I oppose involuntary nontherapeutic genital cutting on both sexes...to legalize it for girls would be a step back, not forward.
>>80358009
Big deal, if dumbass goys want to be like melayu niggers they can go right ahead.
>>80377702
Condoms prevent HIV transmission.
If people won't use them that's unfortunate.
A lot of people in rural Africa really don't understand the germ theory of disease to begin with. It's a huge clusterfuck.
>>80377782
>.to legalize it for girls would be a step back, not forward.
No, it would be a progressive step forward (toward gender equality), which would probably cause so much uproar that they would make it illegal for girls and boys.
>>80377979
>If people won't use them that's unfortunate.
Yeah, that's the difference between theory and practice. Condoms exist since centuries, so far no proof has been given that the availability of condoms prevents AIDS.
>>80358009
How about this title instead, OP
"END GENITAL MUTILATION EVERYWHERE, PERIOD"
Can we all get behind this one?
>>80377979
>A lot of people in rural Africa really don't understand the germ theory of disease to begin with
They don't need to. Female circumcision works like a charm. It's male circumcision that doesn't work and should be outlawed.
>>80378116
/pol/ can.
It's Christfags, kikes and mudshits that can't.
>>80378116
Yes. Next time I'll be more inclusive in my OP.
>>80358009
Sounds hot desu
>pic unrelated
>>80378536
>Sounds hot desu
No, it's fucked up. I know that there are some sick people who get off on stuff like this though, which is also incredibly fucked up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiTpV__qR4
>>80358009
Snipped my penis off and I'm fine
>>80372979
>is circumcised and is extremely sensitive
He will not be as sensitive as an uncut man, all things held equal. It is almost
always uncomfortable for uncut men to retract their foreskin and walk around with their glans rubbing on their underwear. Over time, the glans gets desensitized such that it's not as bad. This doesn't mean cutfags don't feel pleasure, it just means that they are simply not as sensitive.
Also, the foreskin has nerves too, so by definition they have zero sensitivity in a part they no longer have.
>>80378196
>Female circumcision works like a charm
An exaggeration considering the rate was only 50% lower. hardly would consider that working like a charm.
"Hey, try this thing! Cut off part of your genitals and it might afford you as much as FIFTY PERCENT protection from HIV!"
>>80380360
>An exaggeration considering the rate was only 50% lower. hardly would consider that working like a charm.
Maybe they didn't cut enough.
>>80380360
>"Hey, try this thing! Cut off part of your genitals and it might afford you as much as FIFTY PERCENT protection from HIV!"
And yet, for less than "50%" they use this argument for male genital mutilation.
>>80358009
how about starting with the male genital mutilation in your own country you cuckolded faggot? kill yourself.
>>80358009
Female circumcision is good though. They should circumcise the labia minora, so that they won't turn into roasties.
And it has the same justification as male circumcision. Reduces surface area so it provides better protection against STDs, and the labia are not particularly sensitive so nothing of value is lost. Plus it just looks better.
>>80380646
Man, I ALREADY SAID I don't support male circumcision AND POSTED SEVERAL LINKS explaining why it's bad.
Next time I will just make the thread all inclusive.
>>80380673
Some women find the labia to be very erogenous.
>>80378862
Sorry I have no prob with it
>inb4 Achmed 100% Aryan UK here.
>>80380673
Labia look terrible generally, and removing the clit makes them more modest
>>80381081
So we can either embrace labial circumcision, or reject all circumcision. Equality for all.
>>80358009
They are Chinese AND muslims, what did you expect?
They are doubly the worst humans. Nuke them twice.
>>80358009
>for no medical reason
it stops them from growing up and being whores because sex physically pains them. It's a pretty straight forward way to block globalism and their message of sexual decadence.
