China is proof communism can work, Prove me wrong.
DPRK
not communism, that's state capitalism
china isnt communist
>>80106773
How is life in a communist utopia?
Current China isn't communism. China under Mao was.
>>80106773
씨발 프록시 세끼.
>>80106705
Go read up on the great leap and get back to us.
>>80106966
>>80106999
This guy has openly stated he's spoofing with a 4chan pass and is a north koreaboo
does nobody use the archives
well other than 95% of the population, then yes it has worked out pretty well for the few.
>>80106705
China isn't proof of anything because communism is a hypothetical future society, you morons. China and others are socialist, not communist.
>>80106773
Holy shit, rarest flag. Didn't even know they had real internet
>>80107241
Soviet Union was 100% communist
>>80106773
What the fuck Kim? Your people starves and you are a fat fuck, stop shitposting and kys
>>80106705
Homogenous Race
>>80106773
Nice proxy
>>80106705
What do you mean by Communism?
If you mean Communism according to Marx, then China is not Communism.
If you mean Socialism, then China is a mixed market system, not Socialism.
If you mean ruled by a Marxist-Leninist Party then you are correct.
>>80106705
Yeah, if you're willing to sacrifice 100 million people, and then switch to state capitalism when communism fails.
>>80106705
>China
>Communism
You'll notice they only began to emerge as a serious country once they through the hardline commie shit out the window and decided they'd rather make money than believe in (((ideals))).
BLACK AND WHITE CATS
>>80107349
And once again,america prove yourself a stupidest country in our planet
>>80107349
>Soviet Union was 100% communist
Soviet Union was BUILDING communism, it was an official position of Soviet government. It was a Union of Socialist republics, not Union of Communist republics. Communism was something that was supposed to happen in the future.
>>80106705
Censorship rocks guys!!!
gtfo
>>80106705
Chinks are bigger capitalist than americans. Only communist thing about it is communist party. China is capitalist country ruled by single party system.
>>80107349
Soviet Union only ever claimed to have Socialism, they never claimed to be Communism.
>>80107715
Herro. Chink how do you access 4chan with CCP on your ass?
>>80106705
Pic related.
>>80107706
Not quite true. Chinese economy is dominated by state owned enterprises, but these operate within a market system.
>>80107783
4chan is not banned. Only captcha.
>>80107883
>>80107715
>>80106705
With Deng they introduced free market policies in various sectors of economic activity. In a lot of those sectors, China could be said to have freer markets than a lot of Western countries. Sadly the benefits are slow to reach a large part of the population but as time goes on the Party's grip on the country is likely to slip away from them.
>>80108006
Chinese Capitalism is a false Meme. What the Chinese did was subject Communist institutions to Market Forces, creating a new system called "Market Communism" that beats the shit out of Western Capitalism in industry.
It's truly a thing worthy of study, because it's so heterdoxical and effective.
>>80106705
Without Deng, Mao would've lost everything, even though Mao moved against Deng. Which is ironic.
Chinese communism, like Maoism, died in the late 70s and early 80s. America used China to undermine Russia in the Cold War. The exchange was the opening up of american markets to the chinks.
Its now coming to bite America in the arse because russia and China now have the best relationship they've had in centuries AND now they have significntly more productive capacity than they did.
>>80108419
I like the term in English of "Market-Leninism".
>>80107883
>state owned enterprises
Don't you mean jointly owned by the workers :^)
>>80106705
>"works"
>killing 55 million people
Also...
>ignoring the death of 55 million people for your shit posting topic
Enjoy your place in hell
>but but there is no hell!
Keep telling yourself that
>>80108636
That...yes. That's a great way to put it.
Westerners will never understand China because they want to see themselves in China, when China is unique in it's own ways. China doesn't practice Anglo-American economics.
>>80106705
What part of it works? The "Cultural revolution" where over 50 million people died as part of "progress"?
The part where China is the only country as advanced as they are to still restrict access to basic things like citizenship and internet?
Or the part where they only sustain these possibilities by faking numbers and hushing/executing dissenters.
>>80106705
Work at what?
Selling to Capitalists until it becomes capitalist itself?
Communism is world wide revolution. Not a strategy into sitting at the big table with the capitalists.
There is no communism in China, there is a State Capitalism, which is more near to Feudalism than to Communism...
The title is mis-used...
>>80108703
No, the three represents already came to terms with this change.
>>80106705
Chinese here. White people stop with your fucking "le Chinese communist" meme you fuckihg benis
Modern China is closer to national socalism under a fascist regime than anything else. China is proof nazism would have worked.
>>80106705
>China
>Communist
>>80107883
So? Croatian market was dominated by state owned companies until recently
>>80109399
So how is China more capitalist than USA if the state owns the companies?
>>80106705
60 MILLION
>>80108703
That was thing in Yugoslavia. In company where my father worked they elected board by merit. Deciding factor was who could drink more. Good old titoism
>>80109110
Japan is closer to National Socialism, right down to the fact that Corporations form cartels in Japan. (Inb4 you don't know how important Cartels were in National Soclialism.)
China is closer to the Soviet Union, because private enterprise exists in the periphery of the system (like Farming or Services.)
>>80106705
china never had "communism"
they had The Authoritarian Socialist State
they were run by a leninist "vanguard" for personal profit while the proles were reduced to literal slaves
their current 'liberalization" of their "markets" is still only for the apparatchiks and party bosses, not for the proles.
marxism NEVER works, it is a shit ideology created by a feckless dilettante who never worked an honest job in his life and sponged off his father in law's capitalist fortune.
>>80109478
Ignoring state owned companies, from what I know your market is more free than american. Americans are too limited with regulations, you onother hand not. And you also have freedom to shut down free market if you fuck up.
>>80107349
> soviet bolshevism was 100% communist
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ohh man, you marxists are retarded.
bolshevism is NOT communism, it is The Authoritarian Socialist State
communism has never existed outside small tribal societies and small voluntary communes
communism is a colourful lure designed to trap morons in The Authoritarian Socialist State with the promise of an eventual candyland, which never appears.
>>80109802
Less regulation does not mean more capitalist. Products were terrible in Maoist era of China and regulations were few, yet nobody would say it was more capitalist than the West. Capitalism is defined by ownership and market existence. USA is more capitalist because it has much more private ownership of companies.
>>80110005
Actually. This.
>>80107478
> state capitalism
no such animal.
what you describe as "state capitalism" is REAL SOCIALISM, which is indistinguishable from feudalism from the perspective of the peasants/proles.
>>80106705
It works so fucking good every town in the world is full of chinks.
What a beautiful society to live in if they are running everywhere. Also, if china is communist, i'm snoop dogg
>>80110058
Congrats. You made me change my mind. You are right. But you're still capitalist.
>>80110368
I would agree, see this post I made >>80107470
Daily reminder that the deaths during the GLF are highly exaggerated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHGRuKqvU7o
>>80109685
Now you want to know something fucked up. Price discrepancies between East and West Germany were surprisingly similar. Empirically, this theory didn't explain the shortages.
What causes the shortages, rather, was poor Capital allocation. The Soviets couldn't place their capital in the right places so there were eternal shortages because not enough was being produced/ The whole idea that they couldn't set prices correctly, though, is a Cold War meme.
Look at how many Ghost towns are being built in China. This is a known weakness of command economies, where they are inefficient with capital.
>>80107328
it's a proxy, newfriend
>>80110005
This. Non white non western born here I have a serious question
The nation and few elites promise a glory empire and everything come after "hard phase" but in reality you stay being used forever.
I see white guys go to church and for that MUH JESUS PROMISED paradise and free virgin girls. It seems pretty similar to me. You are biased toward religions because you're raised and brainwashed since day1. To me you all look the same delusional
>>80110455
Are you real chink or foreigner?
>>80107986
Peaceniks
>>80108419
>a new system called "Market Communism" that beats the shit out of Western Capitalism in industry.
only if you have a slave workforce and a massive secret police force to keep the slaves in line.
chinese industry is USELESS, it's full of corruption, double dealing, broken contracts, embezzlement and shoddy goods produced by disposable slave labour
the left's insistence on a "service economy" in the west, high taxes, oppressive regulations and corrupt state collusion with the largest companies has crippled the west's industries, leaving the chinese with a competitor free environment in which to peddle their shoddy wares.
in products where quality counts, only a fool buys chinese crap
ever driven a chinese car?
ever wore a chinese watch?
ever used a chinese tool?
ever shot a chinese gun?
ever used a chinese escalator?
even their sidewalks are deathtraps
>>80110573
>i have a question
>proceeds to chat shit about religion
how did an australian abo manage to get all the way to canada?
>>80108851
"state capitalism" is called SOCIALISM you moron.
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>>80106773
>>80110635
real chinese
>>80111036
All of that is true, and somehow China came out ahead in Industrial Output.
Also. I find it extremely disingenuous that you would criticize Chinese business as unethically built on the backs of Slave labor, when US Corporations have effectively dismantled the Trade Unions and likewise captured their own state.
Don't waste your breath extolling the virtues of 1950's America. We killed Jimmy Stewart in 92.
>>80111237
What are your thoughts on the Three Kingdoms TV series?
>>80111533
very good series, some excellent acting is in it.
>>80111237
My friend is currently working in Guangzhu. Post eye
>>80111343
>>80106956
>>80106863
>someone states that Russia and other commie countries werent really communist and real communism havent been tried yet
>hurr durr you are just in denial commie scum
>someone states that China is a proof communism can work
>hurr durr its not real communism
Typical /pol/
>>80111751
>/pol/ is one person
>>80110005
>bolshevism is NOT communism, it is The Authoritarian Socialist State
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE NIGGER?
>>80111148
the correlation between dogmatic religions and marxist ideology is fair and apropos.
both use lies and promises of future benefits to coerce fools into supporting them, then, upon ascension to power, both marxian and theocratic regimes immediately become oppressive and despotic
> neither allows dissent or opposition
> both demand utter submission to their ideologies
> both ensure that once you are in, you are in till you die
> both use violence to maintain their grip on power
> both cause untold suffering among the peasantry while the apparatchiks live in luxury
> both result in technological and scientific retrograde
> neither can ever really be successful due to structural defects that impede innovation industry and education
> both can only survive by finding new victims and putting them in chains
> when either falls, chaos and anarchy is inevitable
get your head out of your ass
>>80111343
> slave labour
> state oppression to keep the slave sweating at minimal cost
> bodies of dead slaves used as low cost food for other slave
> somehow china came out ahead
yes, "somehow"
you really are stupid.
labour unions fucked themselves, they werent dismantled by "corporations", they were destroyed because organized crime consumed them
with or without a union, an employye is NOT a slave. if he doesnt like his job he can quit and find another, in china, if you dont like your job, you are assigned another, in a "re-education camp"
you obviously have never done business with a chinese company
deadlines?
forget about it, youll get your goods when they bother to ship them, or not at all
contracts?
dont bother. a chinese contract is worthless, even as toilet paper
quality standards?
they will fob off worthless junk and you cant even get relief from the courts, since every industry is a wholly owned subsidiary of the chinese govt, as are their courts.
they cant even use the metric system or standardized thread patterns for bolts.
> some bullshit about jimmy stewart
fuck you and the strawman you rode in on.
>>80111751
communism HAS been tried, but it only works in small tribal societies and small voluntary communes
china, the soviet union, cuba, NoKo, and in fact ALL marxist govts have been SOCIALIST, not communist.
there has never been a communist nation, and likely there never will be.
typical pollack
you dont even know what we are talking about, but you got an opinion.
dont you have some important squatting to do?
>>80106705
nigger please, the only reason China hasn't descended into complete ruin is because they have allowed capitalism to exist to a certain extend.
>>80106705
>China
>communism
hahahaha
go to sleep pal
Tomorrow read the Communist manifesto and the Capital.
>>80113245
And yet. Despite all this rage, your criticisms are impotent. Turns out American-style Corporations aren't cutting edge anymore, and our neighbors are adapting and evolving. Either we learn to move past Supply-Side economics or we are fucked.
In a way, it's people like you who needlessly defend the excesses of the status quo, which create the demise of an empire.
>>80112043
> WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE NIGGER?
socialism:
The State owns everything, including the people
The State decides what you can and can not have
The State decides where and how you work, live and recreate
The State decides what you learn in school, to the exclusion of all else
The State decides what you think feel and believe
The State tolerates no dissent or disagreement
communism:
no State
no ownership of anything
all property and goods are shared by all
no authoritarian bosses
everyone gets a hot chick and a puppy
that you fail to understand the difference between Socialism and Communism is proof that you are an uneducated dolt who slept through history, social studies and economics.
try reading a book, ANY book before you decide to share your opinions on matters of import.
>>80114171
american industry is not failing, it is being strangled by high taxation, oppressive regulations and massive barrier to entry for entrepreneurs.
the wright brother built an airplane because they didnt have the FAA, EPA, EEOC, OSHA, TSA, NHTSA, BWM, and a hundred other agencies you never even heard of breathing down their necks and telling them what they can cannot, and even MUST do to remain in compliance with 100,000 pages of irrelevant regulations
if Steve Jobs tried to launch Apple today he would never get it off the ground.
if Henry Ford tried to start a car company, he would never even produce his first prototype
the us govt is killing american industry and our economy
the chinese are simply filling the void in our markets with cheap products which the govt wont allow us to make here.
>>80114201
If you know so much about all this shit I am sure you know of a Website that covers all this right?
I live in Florida It takes us 4 Months to read a 150 page book in Highschool.
I honestly want to learn but not going to go out of my way to find sources
>>80115096
IRL I have been an entrepreneur who has hired and fired people. Right now, I could create an LLC in about three days, gather around under a hundred thousand dollars of Capital, and begin business immediately.
Did you ever wonder why Entrepreneurship in America is dying? It isn't because the IRS is stopping me.
http://www.inc.com/magazine/201505/leigh-buchanan/the-vanishing-startups-in-decline.html
You are talking to someone who has walked far more than you ever have in this. And even I have walked pittance compared to other folks here.
more state capitalism, really. Thought I do remember some coworkers from the mainland telling me the markets are 'not allowed' to gain more, or lose more, than ten percent in a day.
>>80112171
Thank you burger. This is exactly what I want to say but I can't type fluent English.
And notice what? Religious people once again avoid any conversation just straight insult people and call you a fedora
Kek too typical
>>80107470
Socialism, but with that sweet touch of capitalism. Literally the only way socialism has ever worked.
>>80106705
Many millions of people died
>>80115300
read Das Kapital by Marx.
he explains it all, from his retarded belief that history is based upon a standardized progression that only he can see, to how he insists it's going to be in the future
he details every step of the Marxist plan, from violent revolution, to The Authoritarian Socialist State and The Dictatorship Of The Proletariat, to the fantastical cnadyland of "Communism" which will someday somehow become real
1: overthrow the capitalist pigdogs
2 : establish The Authoritarian Socialist State
3 : "de-radicalize" the proletariat and the other revolutionaries (usually by shooting them in the head)
4: suppress all dissent and forcibly "re-educate" the proletariat on the virtues of marxism
5 : ???
6 : eventually The Authoritarian Socialist State will dissolve itself, the apparatchiks will inexplicably share their power and wealth with the proles, and we can all march hand in hand into the glorious communist utopia
7: No Profit, EVER AGAIN
thats literally how Marx said it was gonna happen.
see if you can spot the flaws in his plan
>>80117465
People die every day. What's your point? How many people are living like shit and die on the streets of let's say usa?
>>80117996
Why don't you say that about the "holocaust"? then :^)
>>80106705
>China is proof communism can work, Prove me wrong.
"Special Economic Zones" dumbass!
>>80115449
> has all the right connections
> knows "angel investors" who will front him the massive amounts of cash needed to overcome the barriers to entry
> thinks his "LLC" can produce anything without a product to produce, and without adhering to oppressive regulations
> thinks "his" company will belong to him instead of the investors
> thinks he will see a dime of profit from this venture any time in the next 10 years
meanwhile, before the advent of the IRS and the govt's alphabet soup of regulatory agencies a guy could start a business in his shed, or bicycle workshop or garage (henry ford, wright brothers, steve jobs, respectively) and become wealthy without needing billionaires and corrupt politicians on his speed dial.
you have demonstrated the very problems you refuse to admit exist.
>>80117023
at least christfags dont call the secret police on you or cut off your head for disagreeing with them (any more)
marxists and mohammedans can all fuck off.
christians can also fuck off, slightly less.
Economically communism can be good as a transitional regime for agrarian countries like russia, china or my country. After industralization, elecrtification and some education reforms are done it's extremely counterproductive. It's not worth it in the long run.
>>80118553
Dude. My fucking father built a multi-million dollar business and started from his basement. The US government isn't the problem to Entrepreneurship in America. Read the damn article.
Or better yet. Don't. Believe whatever fantasy you want because the system doesn't have long regardless.
But you are right about one thing. Connections are essential anywhere in life, whether 1950's America, China, or current year America. All of those people started in garages, but were sponsered by wealthy investors over time. If anything, I WANT more billionaires involved in Entrepreneurship because that means more seed capital, which gets us out of the problem.
You live in a fantasy designed by Tea Party politicians to peddle bullshit so that they can remain in power. You may not have fallen to the Cultural Marxism con, but you have fallen to the Tea Party Con. And a sucker is a sucker.
>>80106773
rare
>>80119668
"dude" yourself
my grandfather bought some land, turned it into a prosperous farm, and when he died the govt took it all through estate taxes and "eminent domain"
money fingerers like you arent "entrepreneurs" youre leeches who prey on entrepreneurs and steal their inventions/companies/livelihoods with the collusion of lawyers and the courts.
you are a despicable parasite, a perfect example of the happy merchant meme
>>80108419
That's nonsense. Private firms thrash SOEs in China, despite the government favouring the SOEs.
>>80111751
fukken THIS
>>80106705
>1000 people living wealthy
>500k people living ok lives
>1.5 Billion living in sweatshop level filth
Communism
>>80110005
Doesn't Communism promise the dissolution of the state? Don't the workers control everything?
This is really similar to "gommunsm nevr ben tried" argument.
>>80124533
In terms of what? Quality Assurance? Of course.
But we aren't talking on a case-by-case basis. We are talking about production in the aggregate.
>>80106773
t. 빨겡이
