If man made climate change isn't real, what would be the motivation behind lying about it?
>>80051846
Carbon taxes.
>>80051846
Money, always money.
>>80051891
Our dude weef lmao faggot and various retard provincial politicians are doing this to us.
It's not gonna solve shit it's simply more money for their slush funds or useless programs we don't need
Send help
>>80051846
Control, Power, Money.
You're welcome.
>>80051891
That seems like an awfully specific industry to target. Couldn't they think of anything better?
>>80052524
>Implying everything you do or buy doesn't generate carbon emissions at some point down the line
It's basically a VAT tax for absolutely nothing.
>>80051846
It is real in the sense that we as humans are changing (and generally fucking up) our natural environment.
It is fake in the sense that interested parties have blown this negative influence out of proportion in order to profit, change legislation and control industry and economy in general.
While you faggots are busy choosing a side and arguing like children, the elite takes a truth and spins it to their interests.
Now you go ahead and argue this post. You can choose any of the two sides you've been (((shown))).
GOMMUNISM
WATERMELONS
JOOZ
>>80051846
the motivation behind most big lies is to funnel money and resources into a useless enterprise.
>>80053091
>into a useless enterprise.
In this case?
>>80052985
True to a certain extent, but I don't really care about environmental damage being "overhyped" (if it really is in some cases.) The simple fact is that continuing to cling to non-renewable resources like oil is fucking stupid. Switching to alternate energy sources like solar is something we should be doing ASAP anyway. Maybe if we got away from oil then Saudi Arabia wouldn't have the US by its balls anymore.
>>80051846
Gibsmedat
>>80051846
taxation, and a vehicle to over ride the sovereignty of nation states.
It's the crown jewel of globalists and the new world order. Very important to them to keep the scam going.
>>80052985
How do you know this?
>>80051846
Political power by fear mongering.
>There's man made global warming
>What do we do if "country A" won't stop hurting the world?
>Let's develop a ruling body to over ride their bad decisions.
???????
>New world order and no national sovereignty
"ALL OF THE ICE WILL MELT IN 5 YEARS", says increasingly nervous man for the 18th time this century
Yeah, its a total lie! *facepalm*
>>80053811
>the climate changes
as it always has
so?
>>80053931
The problem isn't the climate changing.
The problem is the climate changing to the extent that it makes things really fucking shit for us humans.
>>80053931
The issue is rate of change, and the fact that we are forcing change in a whole new way that may mess with the standard earth cycles.
>>80053931
maybe but just maybe its the speed within it happes that is dangerous... its true that warm ages are very seldom, but they can be as dangerous as a ice age.
>>80053931
You know who thrives in hot climate?
Reptiles
You know who's a reptile?
Jews
>>80053302
This really. To control the world, you have to have a problem that requires "the whole world" to fix. We're all in this together, right!? This is OUR world. WE need to fix it. Just give US the power to save you!
>>80054566
>makes things really fucking shit for us humans.
HOW?
How are things shit for humans ? Were fucking humans, its our job to adapt.
The only people "suffereing" from this are dumb ass niggers who decided it was a good idea to live in the desert.
The more they die off the better.
>>80054706
and u know where israel should have been build up? yes, in german territories.
>>80051846
>there are people who don't know major climate change occurs despite human interaction
>there are people who want to neuter their biggest job companies because muh global warming
At any rate we deserve what we get
>>80051846
the climate change is real, but saying that it is solely because of humans is retarded as fuck.
>>80051846
>If man made climate change isn't real, what would be the motivation behind lying about it?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/07/uah-global-temperature-update-for-june-2016-0-34-deg-c/
According to the latest satellite data the Earth is cooling. This however doesn't fit the stated goal of the IPCC to impose wealth redistribution on Western countries to third world nations.
The Left loves 'climate change' because it is the excuse to wield it's authoritarian sword over the masses.
>>80054840
The problem isn't what it's like *now*, though the change in weather patterns is a pain in the ass. The problem is the possible future. And as I've been saying, getting off our addiction to oil is a good thing we should be striving for anyway. It's just another thing for the Sauds to keep the US by the balls with.
Also, I don't know about you, but I quite like having a breathable atmosphere, and being able to grow plants without specially built greenhouses. If the temperature and climate gets fucked around too much, that means no food, not just for niggers in the Sahara, for you too.
>>80051846
THE MONEY CHARLES.
>>80052524
Everyone uses energy.
>>80054855
Sure, they can have austria for all I care
>>80051846
Global 'problems' need global 'solutions'. It's the Hegelian dialectic on a global scale.
"We need to stop global warming!"
*the globe stops warming*
"We need to stop climate change!"
I can't believe that some of you chumps fell for this shit. Fuck off.
>>80055129
The US is playing the long game, for once.
There is more oil in North America than the Middle East. So we use up all the Middle East's oil, then we are the only ones left with oil to sell.
If you think Dubai is impressive, wait till you see the cities that Canada builds in the middle of the tundra 100 years from now.
![2514541[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OjjYEqq.jpg "2514541[2].jpg")
>>80051846
see
>>80051943
The strong arming of government policy and the movement of vast sums of money into "green" energy because people like to feel like they're doing something important and good.
The reality is green energy is inefficient, costs more (while being heavily subsidized by government incentive programs), cripples first world economies by crushing their hopes of re-establishing industrial sectors, often isn't as clean or environmentally friendly as people would have you believe (seriously, wind farms kill birds in the thousands and solar panels generate less energy over their operational lifetimes than is taken to create them) and it all uses climate change as a scare tactic to keep the whole scam in motion.
You'd be surprised what a scientist will tell you when they're trying to obtain or keep funding. Pic semi-related, it's an eyesore but still cheaper and more efficient than mining millions of tons of nickel and cadmium out of the ground to make NiMH batteries for electric cars.
A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”
Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)
Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”
In 1988, a former Canadian Minister of the Environment told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”
Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France said: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#1a566c5076fb
>>80051846
to instill guilt for having a 1st world lifestyle (house, electricity, refrigerator, automobile). with the idea being to make you desire to lower your living standards so that brown people around the world can increase their living standards. it's a globalist, open borders, share the wealth white man... kind of world view.
daily reminder that /pol/ is always right
>>80055042
>royspencer
nope. Jesus fuck this man has a fucking degree in science and he posts this graph as if it means a single fucking thing.
>According to the latest satellite data the Earth is cooling.
Two months? This constitutes a fucking trend to you?
>>80051846
So far the only thing these climate policies have accomplished,
is shuffling around a little wealth and limit the capabilities for the developing countries
to expand their industries.
Selling off carbon quotas is an easy way for a third world leader to get money for another golden toilet.
>>80055042
Jesus the trigger keep coming.
Look at this fucking graph. IF. that is IF the 'cooling trend' continues from June to December then 2016 WILL MATCH 1998 (I can't even capitalise this enough here) for the HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD.
This graph. My fuck this fucking graph. Somebody needs to put a bullet in that senile old coot's head. We're approaching dangerous levels of stupidity.
>>80055307
Wir Österreicher leiden halt nicht am Deutschland Syndrom und können mit dem 2 Weltkrieg umgehn. ;)
>>80053931
This time around it's humans that are the cause.
IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…”
>>80056053
mean-fucking-while.
Notice the red line. Notice that it peaks at +.65? Now look again at >>80056053
ZOMFG THEY ADJUSTED IT. UAH BTFO.
>>80056478
>Ottmar Edenhofer
>First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore...
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1223144
Nice editing though. He is talking about making the biggest polluters (coal and oil) pay their fair share, for future and past emissions.
>>80056302
Ah. Well you see, those kinds of assertions need to be proven. And we don't have any proof. Just cherry picked scientists saying they think it's the case. Meanwhile throwing out any scientific research that disagrees with the opinion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11970706/Frances-state-broadcaster-fires-chief-weatherman-over-controversial-climate-change-book.html
>>80056854
What proof do you want?
Human activity leads to accumulation of co2 in the atmosphere
>>80056931
which increases the greenhose effect
>>80056970
which absorbs and re-emits IR
>>80057027
which causes the atmosphere and oceans to heat.
>>80057071
which we observe and call global warming
>>80051846
Tax revenues
Management of emerging economic powers (India, China, etc)
Generation of new industries (green energy, carbon capture, etc)
Downward pressure on oil producers (pootin)
>>80051846
>Exaust all funding for study of south american yellow spotted tree frog habitat
>Get funding for study of the effects of climate change on the south american yellow spotted tree frog habitat
>>80054566
Humans live in every single environment on Earth, we'll do fine. Climate will always change. The planet is always in a state of change. People are panicking because they don't understand the future.
It's like being afraid of dying and spending your life trying to figure out how to cheat death, you just can't. Just like we can't stop climate change.
Even if we supposed we could, and managed to do something significant like the fools trying to make our atmosphere reflective with chemtrails, what happens when the Sun goes into a cycle of less activity? You do know that every planet in our solar system is experiencing warming right now, not just earth? What happens when the Sun stops putting out as much solar energy and we freeze up because we turned our atmosphere into a mirror?
Dayum y'all niggas is dumb.
I DON'T WANNA DIE!!
January 2000 Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund (in a NY Times interview) on mild winters in New York: “But it does not take a scientist to size up the effects of snowless winters on children too young to remember the record-setting blizzards of 1996. For them, the pleasures of sledding and snowball fights are as out-of-date as hoop-rolling, and the delight of a snow day off from school is unknown.”
1969, Lubos Moti, Czech physicist: “It is now pretty clearly agreed that CO2 content [in the atmosphere] will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near the earth’s surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter.”
Michael Oppenheimer, 1990, The Environmental Defense Fund: “By 1995, the greenhouse effect will be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…”(By 1996) The Platte River of Nebraska will be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers…The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”
June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the U.N. Environment Program. He added that governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.
Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event. … Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”
David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 20 March 2000
This is a case where both sides of the argument are fucking dumb. Yes global warming is real and human activity is having an effect, but if dumbass cucks think they can actually make a difference by switching to an energy efficient light bulb they are delusional. All efforts are worthless unless the main source of the greenhouse gases are reduced, mainly the big factories in places like China. And that probably isn't going to happen.
>>80053254
>Saudi Arabia wouldn't have the US by its balls anymore.
They don't, though. Wake up and smell the shale.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/11/saudi-arabia-may-go-broke-before-the-us-oil-industry-buckles/
>>80056931
>>80056970
>>80057027
>>80057071
>>80057105
There is no correlation between CO2 and temperature.
>>80051846
Power and money
Environmentalists want power and money, fear is a powerful motivator
Media wants to sell papers and ads, fear is a powerful motivator
Scientists want research grants, fear is a powerful motivator
>>80054664
Not really. Historically, abnormally warm periods have been a good thing.
>>80051846
Apparently the government who's inept at everything else are so good at creating up such beguiling reports the scientific community is tricked into believing them.
And a trillion dollar industry is also completely innocent and in fact are the good guys who have stood on the sidelines despite having a vested interest in keeping oil as the main energy source.
>>80051943
>>80051891
You mean money that becomes government revenue and which the politicans don't actually get, having a fixed pay
Versus shareholders who get the profits of their companies
>>80057686
see >>80056970
You can even test it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtt51gvaJQ
Now are there other factors that can affect the temperature? Sure. Does this mean that co2 doesn't affect temperature? Of course not.
>>80051846
Votes.
>>80051846
Oh goy your car isn't climate neutral we pass a law that forces you to buy a new one from our business partners or pay a shitload of taxes on your current one ....
>>80057178
NEVERMIND GUYS, WE GONNA BE FINE. FALSE ALARM!!!
“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “At the present rate of nitrogen build-up, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable."
“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
April 28, 1975 Newsweek “There are ominous signs that Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically….The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it….The central fact is that…the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down…If the climate change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”
1976 Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,”: “This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”
July 9, 1971, Washington Post: “In the next 50 years fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to ten years could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
June, 1975, Nigel Calder in International Wildlife: “The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.”
>>80055129
Saudi Arabia doesn't have us by the balls regarding oil, it has our politicians by the balls thanks to oil money.
The US gets most it's oil domestically. The largest foreign contributor of oil is Canada. We don't need Saudi oil. Our politicians (like Hillary) do need Saudi money because without it, they would have to get real jobs.
>>80051846
Political power for the left.
Ever notice how all the solutions the left produces are things they've been trying to force on us for decades?
Power and control.
>>80056931
co2 is not a green house gas and having more free co2 means greater vegetation growth.
>>80057881
But why aren't you concerned with volcano when human contributions to CO2 levels are so negligible in comparison?
Especially given the science that CO2 hasn't correlated with temperature all throughout history?
>>80058303
Do you actually believe this? Go on then. Define greenhouse gas and give me an example of one.
>>80057776
>and which the politicans don't actually get, having a fixed pay
I remember when I was like you once.
>>80051846
>fabricate problem
>get grants for fixing said problem
>>80058408
By definition everything in the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas. It's a bullshit phrase.
>>80058390
another barefaced lie.
Keep em coming.
You're all as bad as Flat Earthers.
>>80051846
Money and dumb leftists voting for your shit cause
>>80054964
>not wanting to clean up the environment
You're scum.
>>80058630
A visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.
>>80058527
wow.
>a gas that contributes to the greenhouse effect by absorbing infrared radiation. Carbon dioxide and chlorofluorocarbons are examples of greenhouse gases.
Oxygen and nitrogen do not absorb IR. You're full of shit.
http://irina.eas.gatech.edu/EAS8803_Fall2009/Lec6.pdf
>Main atmospheric gases absorbing/emitting in the IR: CO2,H2O,O3,CH4,N2O,
or
http://www.ghgonline.org/otherstropozone.htm
>>80051846
obama a secret tyrant muslim
ben ga z!!!
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I saw a secret youtube video that explains all scientists and universities are stoopid. only i am smart i have secret youtube knowledge. alt right forever!!! ben ga z!!! ben ga z!!!!
>>80054706
Can confirm. Am Jew. Prefer 95 F and humid. Like sitting in the sunny spot in my apartment.
>>80058825
>oxygen and nitrogen do not absorb heat
hue
>>80058819
you've literally just contridicted yourself.
>>80058390
>But why aren't you concerned with volcano when human contributions to CO2 levels are so negligible in comparison?
but then
>>80058819
> Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.
Are you retarded?
>>80058630
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2764323/China-US-India-push-world-carbon-emissions-up.html
39.8 billion tons here.
Your infographic and source is just a lie.
TO ALL THE CLIMATE DENIERS IN THIS THREAD:
I love you and I wish we were BFFIRL
Also, I LOVE YOU WINTER-CHAN.
>>80055418
>You'd be surprised what a scientist will tell you when they're trying to obtain or keep funding.
What's surprising to me, actually, is that you think that someone's uneducated opinion is worth more than another person's educated opinion. So, what, your brilliant conspiracy theory is that vast majorities of the scientific climate community are all unscrupulous, lying sociopaths? Yeah, color me surprised, because I don't live in a Marvel comic book.
>>80051846
>what would be the motivation behind lying about it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax
>>80059211
>So, what, your brilliant conspiracy theory is that vast majorities of the scientific climate community are all unscrupulous, lying sociopaths?
Is this what liberals say about white people every day? :^)
>>80059039
This article was published 4 years later.
You're taking the piss right?
ever notice in these threads it's always, ALWAYS the brits that so emphatically push the anthropomorphic lie?
why do you limey cunts believe this drivel so much? it's like you have a personal stake in it or something.
>>80059444
The fuck are you talking about, nigger?
>>80059771
>If I use the word nigger and pretend to be stupid everyone will think I won!
wew lad
>>80054566
yeah that one degree increase over nearly 200 years is a killer. it's NEVER in history been hotter than that!
>>80053811
never in history has an (((iceberg))) ever melted.
>>80054567
there is solid ice core evidence that massive swings to hot/cold can occur in less than 5 years
>>80054664
holy shit, these responses have got to be paid shills.
>>80058741
>moving the goalposts out of the stadium
kys
>>80055634
this right here. not only do they want to tax everyone, they want to do it to the point that industrial society gets wiped out and humanity gets forced back to the stone age. i have spoken with dozens of people that speak this way. they despise humanity so much that they want us to go extinct.
i can't understand why they don't just commit suicide.
>>80059616
It's usually me m8. I tell you shits the same things every time. Apparently it's not getting through.
You people aren't even looking to debate. The same tired and debunked points over and over.
>>80059874
Yeah, ok. I guess if you just wanna wave dicks around, you can do that in front of a mirror, alone, because I'm not interested.
>>80056970
co2 is a trace gas.
trace increases, of a trace gas, that isn't even a very strong greenhouse gas, is fucking nothing.
you've been duped, you're just too proud to admit it.
>>80059980
>there is solid ice core evidence that massive swings to hot/cold can occur in less than 5 years
I've seen one study relating to this and It was localized to Iceland.
Stupid ant-minded burgers, as always.
>not my fault
>not my problem
>fulfill my """needs""" no matter how
>not true
>fuck yeah
You are just Chinese 2.0 with toilets.
>>80060203
you will never convince us, because global warming is just another globalist lie.
no amount of pictures of dried mud or polar bears sitting on chunks of ice will change our minds.
>>80060568
typical yuropoors. so mad at success. you will cling to any amount of brainwashing the UN feeds you.
You /pol/ probably are not experts in climate sciences anyway...
CO2 does not make a climate change, the curves just do not match...
This guy writes about SO2 causing different climate effects in differing doses, and explains, why it is responsible for much of current global warming:
http://www.tetontectonics.org/Climate/SO2InitiatesClimateChange.pdf
"Sulfur Dioxide Initiates Global Climate Change in Four Ways"
The other thing is a long-term change in Solar output, having 850-year sinusoid, that is now in its ridge, in medieval Maunder minimum was at it's saddle, and in 1200 warming was in the previous ridge...
(There are multiple effects combined)
>>80060730
>He still thinks it's mostly chemicals doing it.
Frankly, the rotation and shifting ellipses of the Earth's orbit have more to do with climate change than the chemicals in the atmosphere.
The URL is not alive any more, but here it probably still is:
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.tetontectonics.org/Climate/SO2InitiatesClimateChange.pdf
>>80060268
>trace gas
Fair enough.
>trace increases
from 280ppm to 400ppm over 200 years? That's an increase of 40%. Fairly substantial considering how the greenhouse effect works.
>you've been duped, you're just too proud to admit it.
I've listened to every argument you come out with. I was even once sympathetic to your view. But no. It is all just bullshit and misinfo, largely originating in anti-regulation and free market think-tanks.
FFS, just read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz#Global_warming
>Although Luntz later tried to distance himself from the Bush administration policy, it was his idea that administration communications reframe "global warming" as "climate change" since "climate change" was thought to sound less severe.[18] Luntz has since said that he is not responsible for what the Bush administration did after that time. Though he now believes humans have contributed to global warming, he maintains that the science was in fact incomplete, and his recommendation sound, at the time he made it.[19]
>In a 2002 memo to President George W. Bush titled "The Environment: A Cleaner, Safer, Healthier America", obtained by the Environmental Working Group, Luntz wrote: "The scientific debate is closing ... but not yet closed. There is still a window of opportunity to challenge the science.... Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field."[20]
>>80060289
*Greenland
>>80060640
ignorantandproud.USA
>>80051846
Green projects make millions.
Large corporations make billions.
Politicians get a mandate for their globalist schemes.
Scientists get grant money
It's being pushed by the same intellectuals who run Hollywood
You know exactly who I'm talking about
>>80051846
It is real, and is the greatest single existential threat to human civilization. If the general relationship between civilization and the natural systems that support it doesn't count
>>80060990
>He doesn't know Earth's orbital eccentricity has more to do with climate than CO2.
>>80051846
>ITT people who don't realize the scientific method would immediately destroy fraud in climate science and the scientist to point it out would be given a Nobel prize for doing it.
>ITt people realize that their is only one climate change conspiracy and realize who the special interests trying to make money really are (pic related)
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=RsYr_iQUs6QC&oi=fnd&pg=PA144&dq=organized+climate+change+denial&ots=r5QH99od5H&sig=c9Arjb_2mpbp_SQNnk2mqI6q9aM#v=onepage&q=organized%20climate%20change%20denial&f=false
>>80051846
Suppressing oil industry and related industries to control the world by merchants.
To damage the power of Japan more. (Japan paid trillions yen for emission trading when we are experiencing a long decline of economy)
To make America weaker and China (or perhaps BRICS) stronger for better interest of investment.
>>80061609
*peer review process
accept global warming is real and at worse you get taxed, pay more for goods and the economy glows at a slower rate.
Deny it and it is true and nothing is done, though there isn't really much that can be done at this point, in a hundred years, if the government doesn't take it my grandchildren will probably have ocean front property while over half the worlds current properties are under water.
One is a hedge that won't happen and the other is a terrible situation where billions of people lose if true.
In short nothing will be done and we will or won't be fucked in the end, so why give a shit right now?
And for anyone saying they want money, what about the oil companies? How is there more money in taxing people for carbon usage than there is in the oil industry?
>>80051846
>what would be the motivation behind lying about it?
1. Money
2. Globalists who can push more international/transnational treaties cooperation -> one world government
>>80062230
>The economy will just grow slower!
You realize China used more concrete in a decade than the US over a hundred years? Do you have any fucking idea how much CO2 is released from concrete forming? If this really is a problem then the ONLY solution isn't slowing growth, but do exactly what drastic climate change would do... reduce the human population.
>inb4 technology advances to fight it
Then there's zero reason to worry about CO2.
>>80062630
Actually there is plenty of room for all of us.
Their is a way to save ourselves without killing ourselves.
Bad news is it is even harder to do.
What we need is a societal level paradigm shift. Most need to stop viewing the world through the lens of reductionism, we need a consumerism where life and not money is the bottom line, we need to all be aware of the impact we make on the world that supports us.
But before that could happen we need take every action possible to mitigate greenhouse gas emissions, devolp sustainably, and reform agriculture.
>>80062630
>>80062630
What are you arguing with me about exactly?
I think man made climate change is real, but there won't be enough done to make a difference.
>>80051846
Money in carbon tax and investment in "green" energy. Isn't soros well invested in said ventures? While is mainly right wing people invested in oil/coal?
>>80063095
>Let's just override a millennia of societal structure and a million years of human instinct!
>>80063225
Then say that upfront.
>>80063095
>mitigate greenhouse gas emissions
CO2 is plant food. Plants crave CO2. CO2 is good.
>>80063290
Now you're just reaching for excuses to justify your obstruction.
>>80063290
We are doing it wrong, it's as simple as that.
Our civilization is inherently unsustainable, if we don't change now we will have to once we Inevitably lose most of our natural heritage and prosperity.
Not an over night kind of thing, but it's the direction, I would see us adapting to.
>>80063457
>responding to the wrong person because the original person you were responding to left
Sad.
>>80051846
control and money
same old song it always is you dumb cuck.
>>80063372
It's also a greenhouse gas. We have other tech avaliable that means we are nowhere near short of food globally. Where we are short food, there are other reasons like war and corrupt government. Besides, more co2 ain't gonna make shit grow in the desert.
>>80063575
Yeah? What's your plan? Communism? Robots? Ignoring the law of conservation of energy?
Cucks
>>80063592
No lad I was responding to you here
>Let's just override a millennia of societal structure and a million years of human instinct!
What part of societal structure or human instinct stops us trying to lower our carbon emissions?
>>80063372
That's hilarious.
Changing climate is devastating to plant life
Ecological regime change is devastating to plant life
Stressed humans are devastating to plant life.
Co2 is devastating to all shelled life, ocean acidification is just as bad as climate change.
>>80063689
I told you my plan in yesterdays thread. Global coordination and agreement to stop co2 breaching 450ppm. Now go on. Call me a commie.
>>80063372
Too much CO2 isnt good for plants.
Its like you should drink about 2 L of water everyday but if you drink 20 L it will kill you.
>>80063882
>Yesterday's thread!
Jesus, this is sad. Not only do you participate in every thread you demand others keep up with your insanity.
Commie.
Now what are you going to do about the eccentricity of Earth's orbit?
>inb4 you don't know what that means to climate change
>>80063290
>>80063290
I didn't say it, but I did say enough that one should easily come to that assumption.
Co2 levels have increased over 33% since my father was born. I can't imagine what we could do in the next 60+ years.
Even if climate change isn't real moving towards simpler forms of energy is preferable. That's why they shilling.
>>80064032
>Now what are you going to do about the eccentricity of Earth's orbit?
This is well understood and not to blame for the current warming. Do you know where in the current cycle we are?
>>80061609
>peer review process would immediately destroy fraud in climate science and the scientist to point it out would be given a Nobel prize for doing it.
LMAO, what fantasy world are you living in?
>>80063940
Please don't talk about things you don't understand.
>>80064198
I vote for a world powered by potatoes.
>>80051846
If man made climate change was real, would there be a solution that wasn't taking other people's money?
>>80063940
>Too much CO2 isnt good for plants.
I've never heard of that.
Usually efficiency of photosynthesis is increased if you give them some more CO2.
>>80065301
it has to do with the effects if there is too much CO2 in the atmosphere. This field is a little bit more complex than this, but i was sure that this guy wouldnt understand the complex answere so i gave him a short one, which is, if you see it scientifically, not correct.
>>80064740
>Please don't talk about things you don't understand.
Wouldn't that shut down 4chan, reddit, and basically all comment sections on the internet?
>>80064788
What the fuck would I eat then?
>>80063624
>It's also a greenhouse gas
As is water vapor, idiot.
>>80064628
Explain why there is not one credible argument denying the causal relationship between anthropogenic greenhouse gas, global warming , and the current changing climate.
>>80063940
>Too much CO2 isnt good for plants.
Plants crave 5x the amount of they can get now. CO2 is wonderful for plants. Plants thrive on CO2.
Are you a 11yo girl? You sound like one.
>>80063372
Hey mr, I can't help but notice that you replied to these two post here
>>80063624
>>80063940
But forgot to reply to me here
>>80063855
I'm sure you just forgot.
>>80068272
Sure. And water vapour self-regulates. Too much water vapour in the atmosphere, guess what happens.
>>80069874
It goes to space?
>>80070019
Because I'm really not sure how many people in here are serious.
>>80068476
Plants also crave electrolytes so we should give them sports drink.
>>80051846
For the record I believe it is real, but the arguments that can be made against it are also completely rational, in that multinational corporations can abuse it by claiming stimulus for "eco-friendly" technology and using it for different purposes instead.
>>80069874
>Sure. And water vapour self-regulates.
Lol.
>>80070588
Nobody who watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owm25OHGglk can claim that the arguments for man made global warming are real.
>>80051943
>it's more likely that the majority of climate scientists have been influenced by money and only a few brave souls speak out, than money having just influenced a small minority of corrupt scientists to cast doubt and shill for energy companies
Reminder, this is the core of what most climate change deniers effectively believe
Any conspiracy which involves bribing the large group to secrecy is fucking retarded and impractical
>>80051846
Why does the sun set in the north?
>>80070648
>looking and the concentration of components compared to eachother, other than their effect on the enviorment
read the sticky plz
>>80070588
>but the arguments that can be made against it are also completly rational.
Name one
>>80070648
This is bait
If man-made climate change is real, then liberals believe in weather control machines.
>>80070648
Go on. Show me a paper that shows a long term and significant gain in the level of atmospheric co2.
![WgtI8Q0[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/mI4jsmx.png "WgtI8Q0[1].png")
>>80059211
let's say I want to study the mating habits of gay babies like yourself. Now I could approach a governmental or academic committee and tell them I want to study the mating habits of gay babies. Chances are pretty low that funding will actually be approved.
Now if I say I want to study the effect of climate change on the mating habits of gay babies. Seeing as such a study could keep the gravy train rolling for myself and the green industrialists and media titans giving generous grants to such institutions. So long as my studies support a narrative of adverse climate change, chances are better that I'll get my funding. Thus as a scientist I'd be more likely to support the narrative as my livelihood would depend on it.
Now you can sit there like an idiot and cry conspiracy and call anyone who steps on your enviro-fefe's with a bit of simple real world logic uneducated. Or, you can come to your senses and realize maybe, just maybe, these people are human beings with material needs and need a source of income and are willing to bend the truth as long as it keeps bread on the table.
>>80074536
>Now you can sit there like an idiot and cry conspiracy
Come on now lad. This is literally what skeptics have been doing for the past two decades.
>NASA is manipulating data
>It's global communism
>ALL scientific bodies have been paid off
>most scientists have been paid off
What honestly seems more likely to you. The above or that Big coal and Oil (peabody, Exxon, here's looking at you) have paid think tanks to feed disinfo to the media?
>>80070877
"Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (5)."
>>80075927
And I'll say again, we're not increasing the concentration of water vapour. Water vapour in the air is very similar now to how it was 100 or 1000 years ago. We cannot directly cause h2o to accumulate. It is the additional co2 that is causing the problem.
>>80063855
>Changing climate is devastating to plant life
Bullshit. Plants thrived throughout the history of the planet. Plants especially thrive when it's warmer and the CO2 is higher.
https://youtu.be/o3XlooigupM?t=9m24s
Minute 9:20
>>80076509
>It is the additional co2 that is causing the problem.
No, it's not. Additional co2 does not cause additional problems because there's a cap. CO2 filters light at a certain frequency and once it is filtered out more CO2 does not cause more problems. You are regurgitating libtarded lies.
>>80051846
Greed.
![Red_Alert_2_3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lMNVlzC.jpg "Red_Alert_2_3[1].jpg")
>>80071159
do you not?
>>80076682
You giant retard. Plants are adapted to the current climate.
Human civilization doesn't have time for natural systems to return to equilibrium. Productive farmland will be flooded or in drought and ecosystem function that human life depends on will be seriously impeded.
Everytime our climate has changed this abruptly in the past has been catastrophic.
The nature is resilient(currently, not like it ought to be do to anthropogenic biodiversity loss) but it will it will be thousands of years before we have a planet that is productive enough to support civilization.
>>80051846
preventing capitalism from spreading to third world countries to keep a sufficient supply of slaves
>>80052985
Simple and spot on. Basically our planet is fucked and our politicians dont care, they are instead using it to control the people. Republicans want us to stay obstinate and ignorant so they can stay rich, democrats want to tax us and control how we live so they can stay rich. Nobody wants to actually fix the problem, or help the problem become less severe.
>>80077015
Forbes is really bad for denialist propaganda. James Taylor is a lawyer for the Heartland Institute. These guys.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/leak-exposes-heartland-institute-climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute#Global_warming_2
They are in fact one of the very think tanks I was referring to >>80075152
>Additional co2 does not cause additional problems because there's a cap. CO2 filters light at a certain frequency and once it is filtered out more CO2 does not cause more problems. You are regurgitating libtarded lies.
You're talking about saturation. This is contested and even the proponents don't know when this saturation point will be.
Think about it. The co2 in the atmosphere is mixed with all the other atmospheric gases. And it's really 'thick' for lack of a better word. Think about it in terms of cross sections of the atmosphere say a foot tall. imagine shining a laser through it. Now 400ppm of this foot of gas are co2. Imagine your laser light is absorbed completely by the co2 if it hits a co2 molecule. Now strip the foot tall cross-section into strips a molecule thick. co2 is still just 400ppm. So at one molecule thick the chances of your laser hitting a co2 are pretty slim. Now add another layer on molecule thick below the first one. You've just doubled you chances of collision. Now think how many layers of one molecule thick you'd need to make up a ten mile deep layer of atmosphere. OR twenty.
Not the most scientific example but hopefully illustrates the problem with the saturation argument.
>>80078043
More of your idiotic doomsday scenarios.
>>80051846
Publish shit and get grant money.
Science is a circlejerk, if you go against the hivemind you're fucked.
>>80055740
if meme magic is so strong, maybe it can stop climate change
>>80078613
How is that an idiotic doomsday scenario exactly?
>>80078215
>Not the most scientific example but hopefully illustrates the problem with the saturation argument.
Yeah, it demonstrates that CO2 (400ppm) is nothing we should worry about.
>>80078814
Bait
Everything you are is bait
Everyone stop replying
>>80051846
Even if it's real, making minor changes to the world economy won't fix it. Hell, by developing the third world, it will probably make it worse.
>>80078813
Because it's both unproven and exaggerated. So far global warming had a net positive impact.
>>80078997
I. Can't. Stop.
>>80078997
Yeah, posting factual infographs, links and newspaper screenshots is bait, eh?
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
>>80051846
Making fossil fuels way more fucking expensive
>>80055634
In 1988, a former Canadian Minister of the Environment told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Which, if climate change is real, will hurt the environment even more because now poor nations will start consuming considerably more.
>>80079449
>unproven
https://youtu.be/yTTaXqVEGkU?t=18m30s
18:30
>>80051846
it's about the money . I do not believe the Swindel
>>80078043
>Implying the current warming is caused by people
>Implying the current warming isn't caused by the Earth's rotational cycle
But don't worry, goy, we'll fix it all with a carbon tax!
I can't believe most Americans are dumb enough to fall for this. In 1990 they said that by 2010 Miami would be underwater and we'd have hurricanes every week. Now that prediction has been moved back to 2030, because it didn't come true. Real science is about predictability. If your model doesn't predict the near future, it isn't a working model.
>>80079827
>the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality
Liberal pipe dreams.
>>80052198
>>80051891
>>80051943
Why is it bad then retarded canedian. Even if the global warming is fake it's still good to reduce pollution just to get cleaner air and less people with breading concerns like astma or decrese cancer. Stop being so fucking retarded. You don't se the mony agenda is the other way around? That the companies want to do evrything as easy and cheap they can? You retarded fucking americans and canedians are fucking retarded hope you all die you are the most bluepilled faggots i have witnessed end your fucking lifes.
>>80079642
So things are getting cleaner. This is good. But I don't see us stopping adding to the accumulated co2 any time soon.
>>80080233
>>Implying the current warming isn't caused by the Earth's rotational cycle
You think the rocket people haven't considered this? The earths cycles are relatively well known and consistent. Maybe you could tell us which cycle is causing the warming?
>>80080445
>But I don't see us stopping adding to the accumulated co2 any time soon.
And we shouldn't. More CO2 = More plant life = Greener earth.
>>80080606
>You think the rocket people haven't considered this?
They have but there is no money in stating the obvious.
>>80051846
Money of course
>>80079493
>factual
And I wasn't even talking about your gay little pictures.
I was talking about how irrational you are.
>>80052524
You retarded fucking american internet should have a country ban on americans and canedians you are so fucking stupid i hate you fucking retards so mutch you fucking retarded fuckers are dumbest idiots i have seen. Just becuse some things from the establishment is bad dosen't mean evrything is i hate smal minded people that can't keep two things apart you dumb mother fucker.
>>80080373
>Carbon dioxide is pollution
>>80080445
CO2 is not pollution. It is one of the founding pillars of all biological processes on Earth and is absolutely vital for life to exist.
More CO2 = more organic matter produced via photosynthesis = greener earth, denser atmosphere, more oxygen
>>80051846
Environmental fees
>>80080795
>I hate small minded people
>generalizes people based on where they were born.
You need to judge people on a person to person basis.
>>80070788
I don't think you understand, they're not bribing them
the government is giving these researchers money to tell them what they want to hear, if they come up with something other than what they want to hear, the money will dry up because the "problem" will be solved and further research won't be necessary
>>80053091
What enterprise you dumb cow. Most companies will lose mony on carbon tax and other enviorment protecting laws, so why don't they rise up since they govern more wealth then those companies for a change? You don't see? That the companies have bluepilled you, you dumb fat retarded american.
>>80081047
>CO2 is not pollution
No its a greenhouse gas. It's honestly like talking to a brick wall. Read the thread. Maybe you missed the bit about the greenhouse effect.
>>80080776
>I was talking about how irrational you are.
Whatever you were talking about, I posted links, facts, newspaper articles.
Obviously you little leftist faggot love to ignore all these things so that you can continue believing in your global warming religion.
>>80081300
>No its a greenhouse gas.
And it's also so much more. Just like water vapor. Both are greenhouse gases and both are the foundation of life. More water + More CO2 = more plant life = greener earth.
>planet enters new ice age
>only whites survive
praise the lord
>>80078814
>breitbart.com Kek
>uncited
>no peer reveiw
Post a credible source
Carbon credit trading. Because everything done in the economy creates carbon, the eternal jew can now get his greasy merchant fingers in the middle of every single transaction on earth.
>>80081949
Oh, we get it, leftist faggot. Besides adhoms you have nothing.
>>80081987
>the eternal jew
It's rather women. Women get extremely triggered by all these green issues.
>>80082331
The whole global warming hoax is a symptom of how cuntified politics is now.
>>80051891
Liberals are too illiterate of business to understand this. Goldman Sachs plans to make trillions off carbon taxes.
>The bank owns a 10 percent stake in the Chicago Climate Exchange, where the carbon credits will be traded. Moreover, Goldman owns a minority stake in Blue Source LLC, a Utah-based firm that sells carbon credits of the type that will be in great demand if the bill passes.
>Well, you might say, who cares? If cap-and-trade succeeds, won't we all be saved from the catastrophe of global warming? Maybe — but cap-and-trade, as envisioned by Goldman, is really just a carbon tax structured so that private interests collect the revenues. Instead of simply imposing a fixed government levy on carbon pollution and forcing unclean energy producers to pay for the mess they make, cap-and-trade will allow a small tribe of greedy-as-hell Wall Street swine to turn yet another commodities market into a private tax collection scheme. This is worse than the bailout: It allows the bank to seize taxpayer money before it's even collected.
>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405#ixzz4Dk7qfQHW
>>80081570
Maybe so. But also likely hotter earth. And the ME/africa will likely be worst hit. Which will affect us all. Not to mention the strong possibility of coastal cities going underwater. And the co2 is fucking up the oceans.
>>80083111
>But also likely hotter earth
That is contested. Except if you want to get billions of grants, then you actively concur.
>>80080980
Hahahahaha retarded dumb american. Have you heard about something called ph? You are polluting the ground after rain fall. The ph lvl decrese in the ground kiling of the plant life living on forest levl which impact the whole forest since it kills insectes and bugs living on these plants and forest animals eating the plants need to migrate. After a while you have a dead forest with only trees left a broken eco system. Also smal ponds fish often all die in areas of alot of carbon pollution since fish is often sensetiv to ph levl and other plant life the fish need to eat also dies. And carbon pollution have been linked to astma
>>80083001
Yes usa is a worthless shit country that made a crisis in to a way to earn mony. It's just your shity country you live in.
>>80082126
What?
>>80082504
>hoax
It morphed to fraud as soon as the first penny was made from it. All told, the carbon shilling schemes are into the trillions and tied to the hip with big oil. Oil is life in the oil age.
In the grand scheme of things it is just as corrupt as any modern monetary system. Instead of a usury tithe we now have climate priests and carbon tithes, all to save mankind from himself. History repeats.
>>80059211
>your brilliant conspiracy theory is that vast majorities of the scientific climate community are all unscrupulous, lying sociopaths
Nice strawman.
Also, I don't think that's correct even if it weren't a strawman. Let me fix it:
>the (((globalists))) who control the money that these scientists need in order to make a living are all unscrupulous, lying sociopaths
>>80083274
>muh new ID
>That is contested.
It's not though.
Are we really going back to square one?
Answer these questions plz
Is the greenhouse effect real?
Is co2 a ghg?
Has human activity led to an accumulation of atmospheric co2?
>>80051846
Jews try to regulate transportatin, production and energy production industries, and try to tax all white nations and redistribute the money to niggers and themself to destroy western civilisation.
>>80051891
>>80051943
This and further expropriation of private industries/land in order to keep it green™ and extort more money for the public™.
It's also going to be used as a scapegoat for further diversity in the future.
>>80080795
Wow stay mad cuck
>>80051943
>oil money
vs
>"carbon tax" money
gee i wonder who is more motivated
>>80081206
It's not smal minded to expect the expected. If you meet 5 animals each day say a giraff, a dog, a zebra, a horse and a cat. And each time you met them over a year the giraff is a total retard evry day of the year why would you expect something else the first day of the new year?
>>80051846
Scientists gotta keep their jobs somehow
>>80086342
Stay bluepilled retarded easy shilled retard
>>80051846
Carbon passports.
Every legal entity on earth receives carbon passport and pays carbon tax to ZOG.
Any living creature uses carbon, so the concept works.
>>80053931
It`s just changes not due to carbon. It changes, because mudslimes destroy water horizons everywhere they live.
Sahara is antropogenic desert, that did not existed prior to mudslime invasion. Egypt agriculture was feeding the whole roman empire.
Aral sea fading is antropogenic, after soviets let mudslimes to take root in the region.
Desert accumulates a lot of heat and does not allow plants go grow in warm region, using carbon from atmosphere. So carbon presence in atmosphere rises.
>>80061117
ad hominem.
someone disagrees with you. I must be the wrong one, right?
there is no difinitive proof, nor enough data, for you to be justified in your smugness. therefore you are acting on pure faith, which means your belief in AGW is purely psychological and not purely factual.
>>80051846
> money
> power
so basically every single reason
>>80062230
>Deny it and it is true
i notice you forgot the 'deny is and it's false' argument. which means trillions of dollars sunk into yet more false 'science'.
nice job being biased.
>>80051846
Money and power. Same as everything else.
>>80051846
Well I'll give you one clue who started the climate change meme. They were from the same group of people who started the recycling meme.
>>80063095
>Actually there is plenty of room for all of us.
you cannot make the 'plenty of room' argument, without taking into consideration water supply and arable land. both of which are realistically maxed out.
Climate change is real, but governments are using it as an excuse to grab power and tax citizens, rather than actually fixing the problem. Nuclear is the solution, but instead of pushing for new technologies that make fossil fuel/carbon usage obsolete, they preach conservation and reap the benefits of taxing an entire nation of people who will never conserve when they've never had to before.
Fuck the carbon tax and fuck those shitty subsidies for solar/wind/hydro. Subsidies nuclear if you're going to subsidize anything. Preferably just let the market handle it without fucking the natural progression of energy tech
Climate change is definitely real, no credible person is arguing otherwise. The debate is whether it's caused by human activities or not. The skeptics argue that the earth has undergone massive environmental changes over it's history long before humans. That once, the planet was covered in a 100 ft thick layer or ice. At another time, it was a ball of molten lava. Their have been numerous ice ages and 5 mass extinction events that wiped out the majority of all life on earth each time. All before we started polluting. They argue that the increasing global temperatures and melting ice caps are part of a natural cycle of the earth's biosphere and that it would not be possible for humans activities to alter the planet in such a short amount of time.
>>80086596
Carbon Tax is pushed by the government while oil production is pushed by the big oil companies.
The oil companies are the lesser of two evils. We will always need oil.
>>80083554
>The ph lvl decrese in the ground kiling of the plant life living on forest levl which impact the whole forest
Thanks to increased carbon levels in the atmosphere there is significantly more natural plant life on earth than there was 100 years ago retard.
>>80085425
>It's not though.
Yes it is.
>Is the greenhouse effect real?
There is a minuscule greenhouse effect of CO2.
>Is co2 a ghg?
Yes, like water vapor.
>Has human activity led to an accumulation of atmospheric co2?
Nearly nothing compared to natural sources like volcanos.
I posted now enough links and youtube videos for you to stop ask retarded questions.
>>80089380
That's why we focus on efficiency.
We cannot survive without an epic shift to efficienct agriculture and energy and sustianible devolpment. We have already lost allot of what kept us going, but it's possible
>>80086648
Yeah, that's pretty small minded.
You're going on like a complete retard I don't think all sweds are retards.
Where I went to college there was a ton of Swedish forgein exchange students and pretty much all the girls where whores, but I don't think all Swedish women are whores
>>80092212
Prove you aren't trolling
>>80080373
Reducing pollution isn't bad, the problem is that our leftist politicians aren't interested in the practicality of green initiatives, only in the stupid hippies that'll vote for them if they blow billions on windmills or hamsters on wheels or whatever the fuck. Also, western countries pollution isnt even worth lowering compared to India or China. We can blow trillions and barely change anything, they can retire their shitting streets and implement some emission standards and do more in a day then we could in centurys for lowering emissions.
>>80093759
Cunt, it's time you stopped posting. You got BTFO, literally everything you claimed has been proven wrong. You can fuck off now.
>>80095020
Name one
>>80051846
Why would 200 countries come together to form a climate change agreement if it was fake? Also why would people like Bill Gates spend 2 billion dollars to fight climate change if it was fake?
>>80078997
>>80080776
>it's bait
>says the namefag
Jesus, we really are being raided by SRS, aren't we? Fucking go away.
>>80095494
For example when you post that he should prove he's not a troll. Posting ontopic links is literally the opposite of trolling. You are the one who's shitposting, cunt.
