Is The Wall real? Do beta men in their 20's really have the upper hand on females in their 30s?
>>80050899
>upper hand
yeah, if you think it's okay that she'll still be thinking about chad.
"And I can't."
>>80050899
>in b4 she sues him and wins
It depends if the beta can break his old habits and takes care of himeself.
I'd marry her, if you know what I mean
>>80051109
When she hits 30 the only "habit" she'll give a shit about is that he spends money on her
>>80050899
Lol thats what you get for being a uncompromising cunt for the last 30 years. You dont get to just flip the switch and decide to start reaping the benefits of a well rounded relationship. Females never cease to amaze me
Anybody got a link to the FB comments? I wanna read em.
>>80050899
yes most women age like shit
especially since 80% of them are alcoholics
>>80051197
all the women who can't get married don't suck dick
prove me right
Beta males in their 20's will become beta male in their 30s with a used up skank as a girlfriend/wife
It is just how nature works
Nobody wants used up 30+yo who fucked at least 30 guys,some of which are single moms to boot.Unfortunately the thirsty betas will bail them out so younger girls don't get to see the train wreck that should be their future
>>80050899
> I-I can't settle, w-why is this?
Because you spent your 20s giving blow to a bunch of retards you didn't know while talking about how the patriarchy is evil and how relationships keep you down, you incompetent used up old cunt.
>>80051278
And he will have kids already by another woman. This cunt will never be happy
>>80051366
I loooovvve seeing life backfire on cunty females. LIKE BITCH WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?
>>80051366
Your wrong.
Proof: Fat women. They're grateful, so they suck dick, but pretty much nobody wants to marry them. Fat married women started out unfat.
>>80050899
anyone else planning to marry their highschool sweetheart?
>>80050899
>after going from man to man
Why is this hard for women to understand? No one wants to marry someone like this, it shows poor decision making, that you're a slut, or you just had no plan for life. Increased chance of std's and whats the point of marriage when premarital sex is everywhere? He could risk half his shit and keep having sex with you, or he could be one of those guys who slept with you without risking half his possessions.
>raising a family
Single mothers are common as fuck, and even if there was no divorce chances are she would be a terrible mother. So many women cant do basic things like cook. When you just drop you child off at a state indoctrination center the least you could do for them is cook healthy food.
>>80050899
Dudes literally continue to get better looking through their late 40s. Women stop being hot at 28 and sooner if they have a baby before then
>>80051528
yea
>>80051367
This is true and it frightens me every day.
>>80051371
>implying
Beta's aren't saving them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html
sort of its real. a lot of internet butthurt shit too of course. but yes women who chase career or whatever don't get married and have kids frequently end up 30 and find that suddenly they can't command the younger guys/successful guys attention as well anymore, because they are drawn to the next generation of yung slut
best thing about being a man is if you do it right you just get older and better
>>80051843
It happened to a good friend of mine.
He 32 years old with a full position as an IT specialist at one of the largest banks. Now he makes shitload of money but was nerd his whole life.
He recently married an 38 year old (ex?)party girl. She is nice for now and all but he could do much better.
>>80050899
MUMMY
>>80050899
I'm 28 years old and barely have time to masturbate, let alone mop up trashed, used up women who just realized that living by the dick in their 20's wasn't a good idea.
I just want my paycheck to buy computer parts and play my vidyas, fuck women.
>>80052168
You know the best part?
Girls may see how it turned out for feminists and become more conservative.
Also you reminded me of some ftm saying how she missed being catcalled, and a liberat columnist whined about catcalling, then whined about not being catcalled. She blamed men for both.
Women are getting their privilege checked, and it seems they dislike it.
>>80052318
>fuck women
The truth comes out
>>80050899
Yes, if they have money.
>>80052236
Germans, cucks as usual.
Reminds me of that comic dealing with this exact issue.
>wanting a woman who sucked off chad and abdul weekly to kiss you or your child.
>>80050899
Yes and no
Betas sicken women of all ages but the old/ugly ones know when to swallow their pride and settle for a beta. You know the sort, the ones who put up their arms like a shield when their awkward husband tries to kiss them. The way she turns her head when he goes for a kiss, all while fake laughing and pretending to be shy/modest.
Or the sort who leads him around like a dog in exchange for dead fish sex on his birthday.
>>80050899
You got it backwards. Beta men in their 30's have the upper hand on young women in their 20's.
Basically, resource rich male meets fertile young female.
Humans never really changed much from the caveman years.
>>80051084
>sue him for his money for not marrying her
>>80052318
>tfw
>>80051607
>pretty much nobody wants to marry them
You know that's a fucking lie. How the fuck do you explain Walmart shoppers or even fucking America?
>>80051607
Haha no
>>80052318
Literally exactly the plan m8
>>80050899
>Do beta men in their 20's really have the upper hand on females in their 30s?
Only if they are aiming for women in their late teens and early 20's.
Being a 30 year old man and dating 30 year old women is a losing hand, not an upper one.
L=Looks=(n/10)
S=Status=(n/10)
W=Wealth=(n/10)
A=Attractiveness=(L+S+W)/3
For a woman to be attracted to a man the man must have A>than her A.
For most men, S & W, when they are young is low, so most young men look like this (L=5, S=0, W=0).
But as men age, their S and W increases at a rate higher than their L decreases before hitting a plateau. So at 30, the same (5,0,0) might now be a (5,5,5).
Now remember a man's A=Attractiveness is the average of these three factors.
So, A(18)=(5+0+0)/3=1.67
But A(30)=(5+5+5)/3=5
So a man gets more attractive as he ages before that attractiveness will plateau and then start decreasing.
A woman's A is based entirely on her youth and beauty. So it is highly unlikely she becomes more attractive with age. (Maybe morbidly obese as teen but loses weight when shes 24? But again unlikely.)
This also explains why Chads can be attractive to a girl when young compared to his same age peers but may not be attractive when he is older.
A(ChadYoung)=(10+0+0)/3=3.33
A(Non-ChadYoung)=(5+0+0)=1.67
3.33>1.67
A(ChadOld)=(10+0+0)/3=3.33
A(Non-ChadOld)=(5+5+5)=5
3.33<5
Now the precise weights attributed to each factor L,W,S might vary a little bit but the general trend holds (they won't vary to an extent to refute this general trend).
>>80050899
The perfect model for a relationship is the princess locked in the castle.
It's just that you're the dragon and not the brave knight.
When the Knight comes, don't die. Just be ready for him.
>>80053181
now draw some abstract figures like Freud
>>80052107
>misandrist lesbian lifestyle doesn't work for straight women study finds.
color me shocked. Feminism is and was a movement by and for man hating lesbians.
>>80051616
>anyone else planning to marry their highschool sweetheart?
Went to a boys school :(
>>80053234
I'm ready she ain't going no where.
>>80050899
It's the same thing as a rebellious child screaming and throwing a tantrum when their parents try to look after them, and when they've finally settled down and realised that their parents are right, the parents happily and warmly accept the back, even though all the furniture's smashed and it's well past bedtime.
>>80052430
This one?
>>80052107
Betas are bailing them financially and raising their bastard children.How does this imply they make them happy or whatever?If a woman fucks a high value guy she genuinely believes she is a high value woman so after fucking a lot of alphas in their 20's of course they are not happy to settle with a beta in their 30's.My point is that is could and should be way worse for them if the state would fuck off with the divorce laws and the betas would have some standards
>>80053988
Thats it.
Good job anon.
>>80050899
>men
>in their twenties
CHOOSE ONE
>>80050899
>know a 23 year old virgin woman
>she's white, smart, conservative, red pilled
>tfw she's ugly as fuck, literally a 1/10
>>80054003
Divorce laws must stay, if they lax men may be more tempted to marry. Just leave things as they are, in Sweden women are worried as many men just ignored them and married thai women.
>>80054175
You never "know" they're really virgins. Unless you check their hymens, but those can break from non-sexual activities, and you don't know if they've done other sexual acts.
Feminism has taught women they can ride the cock carousel into their 30s and if they can't bag an alpha, then at least they'll land on a beta-wallet. When that doesn't happen they let loose with the TFB and blame their bad life choices on men, moaning about males being commitment-phobes. By the time they are in their 40s they've embraced the "spiritual" lifestyle in a vain attempt to calm their desperation as they become largely invisible to men.
>>80054204
top kek
fuckin sweden
>>80054428
>You never "know" they're really virgins. Unless you check their hymens, but those can break from non-sexual activities, and you don't know if they've done other sexual acts.
H1=No hyman-incorrectly assume a virgin.
H2=Yes hyman-incorrectly assume a virgin.
Odds of H1 occurring are still much much much higher than odds of H2 occurring.
>>80053181
is this your bachelor thesis?
>>80054428
She's been engaged to a literal autist for the past 6 years. He's so fucking spergy that he can't even kiss her without freaking out. Plus she looks like someone beat her round the face with a spade, so I doubt anyone else has ever taken a run at her.
>>80052600
26 here and while I'm not making six figures I earn quite a bit more than most people my age, plus I live in a low cost of living state. It's unreal how much easier it is now to pick up 7-8/10 19-23 year old qts (I'm 5/10 on my best day). They aren't even gold diggers. A lot of the time they offer to pay when we go out and I let them pay about half the time they offer. Plus, I hardly spend anything on them. I don't think they have fully developed their resource leeching ways yet at the ages I go after.
I didn't believe having a good job and above average income would help this much with picking up women until I experienced it myself. When I was slacking off with part time min wage bullshit I was invisible to women.
>>80050899
Are Humans of New York real or just propaganda? How does every single poor black hobo have a story about how they had a good life once or how they were teachers/employees that got fired etc.
Do they just interview a shit ton of people and only keep the good ones?
>>80050899
Yeah, but the question is, do you really want some woman in her 30s who is well past her prime and obviously not capable of keeping a stable relationship?
>>80055086
Lmao I love life, this shit is so funny to me can't make it up. It's like cutting the wings off a fly and watching it try to succeed.
>>80055066
If it was there'd be more maths.
>>80054204
>Sweden women are worried as many men just ignored them and married thai women.
That shit happeneds here as well. If you take the race mixing factor out of it, kinda seems like a good move desu.
>>80051691
>Why is this hard for women to understand?
Because no on ever tells them since it is not politically correct.
And by the time they find out themselves it's too late and they just get bitter and blame everyone but themselves instead of warning the next generation.
>>80055201
Of course.
The guy(s?) taking the photographs/recording the story's do this full time, so the entire day they are collecting stories, despite only one being posted every day. Naturally there is a quality filter
>>80055185
They're not gold diggers yet because daddy probably still pays for things, and they're not interested in reproducing yet.
I think a lot of it is just confidence, prestige, when you are unemployed/underemployed you probably don't like yourself that much and it shows. If you have a good job it just shows you have your shit together enough
>>80055185
People don't understand the triangle of resources, looks and status. If you are above the target woman's relative average in any two she will find you attractive.
>>80053181
shouldn't each category have weighting
>>80055338
Race mixing is a good idea though, the world would be a better place if more people had white and asian genes. Plus less chance of genetic defects.
>>80053181
This guy gets it.
>>80050899
>Is The Wall real?
Yes.
>>80050899
Not really, since people in their 20s are in general a small minority in all economically strong countries
>>80055491
The weighting is the relative comparison.
>>80055555
Is this a teaching from KEK? Wtf just happened?
ITT: virgins trying to blame women and laugh at them.
>>80050899
>literally admits to having jumped from man to man her whole life like it ain't no thang
>went out to meet her man looking like that, didn't even put in any effort
>thought it was julie borowski in the thumbnail but it wasn't, sneaky women
JOIN THE DOTS, BITCH.
>>80055555
Quint quints!!! This must be the new truth.
Also, when did /pol/ completely merge with /r9k/?
>>80055491
I don't know what the weighting is. that would require some kind of empirical investigation/experiment which I have not done or have access to. I figured it would be simpler to leave it as I don't imagine the different weightings would affect the overall trend much, and again, since I don't know what such weightings would be, it seems a bit superfluous to account for it.
>>80055812
Kek has a devilish sense of humour.
>>80050899
Not really. It's just the way beta faggots rationalize what failures they are. This is pervasive on boards like these where a big chunk of the little bitches here are ~20 year old virgins.
it IS easier for them to get laid later on, but that's not really because they have the "upper hand", more because the only women left are damaged goods that the actual men werent interested in. the betas in the pack always get the scraps no matter how old they are.
>>80055555
>i have read 2 sources on racemixing
>what are genetic defects?
>what is disgenic breeding
>i mistook "more genetic defect chance" for "less"
>inb4 muh kid has killed 12 women because none want to date him
fucked a beta's washed up 31 year old girlfriend last night tbqhh lads
felt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjP2EX1mLi8
>>80050899
>this thread again
>>80055914
You could merge both boards and call it /pol9k/ and people wouldn't notice a difference. Been like that for years.
It has always been a fantasy of mine to toy with a chick while she's crossing the wall. String her along with hopes and dreams of a happy family. Then drop her when she's 33~ and pick up a girl 10 years younger.
>>80051616
Hah, no girl paid me any mind during school, during a reunion 20 years later, the hottest girl in class sucked my dick there and wanted to get me to go on a date with her, since I was single and had, still have, a very well paying job, nice clothes, nice car etc
I thought that shit was a joke, but the desperation turned out to be real
>>80056218
> 3 kids from 5 different dads.
Makes me kek everytime
>>80055982
You are right Miroslav I should have stated those as questions instead of facts. Please redpill me
You guys need to learn how to treat women.
Last girlfriend thought she's the leader in our partnership. Told her that she shouldn't be so confident about it.
End of the story: she thought she can start to cuck me by flirting with other guys, I broke up with her and she still begs for the D. That was four years ago.
Women are like dumber versions of dogs in that case. If they start to bite, you throw them out. But they will always crawl back to you.
>>80055833
No, it's rather Schadenfreude at seeing stupid people get what they deserve.
>"I am so special, the whole world revolves around me and I can do whatever I want"
>finds out that is false
>turns into /r9k/ and reeeees on blogs that try to pass themselves off as news
>>80052318
>they will never make an open world game like grand theft auto
>with a map size of outterra/ kerbal space program
>driving physics like gran turismo
>with the option of 3D pokemon
tfw born too early to experience this
>>80055982
>>what is disgenic breeding
You misspelt dysgenic. Were those two sources from /pol/ by any chance?
>>80056186
But why does such cruelty amuse you, friend? Are you a nihilist? Or are you seeking revenge, having been hurt before and wanting others to share in your misery?
>>80056500
Oh no, I was referring to the man who tried justifying dysgenic breeding.
I have read more than 2 sources, since I needed at least 10 to pass the fucking thing.
>>80050899
Strong, masculine men, want sweet, warm, feminine women. A hole is a hole, and for some it'll do in a pinch -- but there's nothing cute about sluts, no self-respecting man wants them for more than a few minutes at a time. Women used to know these things and pass them on to their daughters, but feminism killed it. Nowadays, girls are told that it's empowering to be sluts, they're often raised by sluts and betas, and by the time they have the prescience to know better themselves, they're already too far down the rabbit hole to ever get out. Every man, on some level, knows that there's no such thing as a reformed slut, and if he has options, he'll exercise them.
The only women worth any sort of long-term relationship, are virgins.
>>80056186
kek. that's all it will ever be for you--a fantasy. that's all beta cucks get to enjoy.
get a job faggot
>>80050899
>I've finally come to a point where I'm ready to settle. And I can't
MFW
I fucking love this, as I'm getting to my late-20s I know so many women who had literally 100 opportunities to settle down with a guy, but rejected every single one of them, and now that they're older they're just full of regret.
That said, no OP men never have it better than women. Dating for men gets easier when we're older, dating for women gets harder, but the gap was so big to start that men never catch up to women. So when you're 30 dating can be hard for both genders, although men are used to it so it doesn't bother us as much as women who were used to being able to date any guy whenever they wanted to. One problem is that women never keep themselves in shape, so if you're a 35 year old looking for somebody who's in half-decent shape, there are a lot more men than women who fit that bill. But I guess if you're a fit guy willing to settle for a fat girl than yeah dating is easy when you're older.
>just date younger women!
23 year old women will always have absurd standards, no matter what age you are, and most of them aren't looking to settle down. Plus it's harder to meet young women when you're older, best you can do is date a few years younger but a lot of women decide to get fat by their late 20s
OTOH, a lot of men just check out when they reach ~30. While women go from wanting to be single to being desparate to settle, a lot of men go from being constantly rejected to just giving up and being happy with being single.
>>80056787
Here's the data to back that up.
Where does chad end up in all this? Does he just continue fucking until he gets in his upper 40's and still ends up marrying one of the slut?
>>80055978
Hello there, normie fag (or summerfag).
You actually believe into the pathetic virgin meme.
It is time for you to leave and go back to red*it and fap to trap-porn in between.
You. Don't. Belong. Here.
>>80051367
>tfw too useless to ever kiss one, never mind marry one
I'm insulated from cunts
>>80057231
Fancy a pint anon ;_;
I would say just date younger girls. Girls around your age are always going to have bizarre expectations and be used up.
My gf is ten years younger than me and I take the lead on things, and that's how she likes it.
>>80057120
>tfw when 26 for my first time and am now at 3 partners
Feelz good man.
>>80050899
It is important to note that you only have the upper hand if you bullshit them hard. Do not marry them ever, as soon as you sign the papers, she has all the power again.
Fuck them under false premise, then fuck off.
>>80057120
How do you measure happiness?
And of course the earlier you have sex, the more likely you are to get pregnant out of wedlock. No shit.
>>80057666
Self-reported happiness I imagine, the links at the bottom are probably more details if you're curious.
>>80052107
>Insisting neither gender nor motherhood is now a barrier to career to success, he said: 'You've got real democracy and there really are no glass ceilings, despite the fact that some of you moan about it all the time.
>'Women can get to the top of any single job that they want to in the UK.
>'You've got a woman fighter pilot who went on to join the Red Arrows.. Women astronauts. Women miners. Women dentists. Women doctors. Women managing directors. What is it you haven't got?'
>Sir Stuart's comments in The Observer were contradicted by Dr Katherine Rake of The Fawcett Society, which campaigns for gender equality.
>She said there was still 'no flexibility' for women at high levels of business.
>'Women tend to have greater commitments at home and so need flexible working arrangements,' she said.
>'Second, there is no change at the top. Because the top of organisations are generally white and male, they stay white and male.'
ahahahaha
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHBHAHAHH
>>80056386
>last gf
>4 years ago
>>80057666
It's reported happiness.
Do you have reading comprehension problems, Straya? The relevant portions of those charts were the ones with gold and blue bars. Specifically "The Effects of Sexual Promiscuity on Marital Stability," "Marital Success," "Marriage quality," "reported Happiness," and "depression."
>>80050899
No, beta male in their 20 usually don't have enough time to build a carrier and be succesful enough to attract them. Men in their 30 ~ 40 are the one who has the "upper" hand on the used market and can date women even in their 20.
It's really a funny thing to see a woman hitting the wall tho.
>reading this thread beside my gf in bed
>Start laughing
>What is it anon?
>Show her the pic
>Aww anon that's sad
>No it isn't, it's funny
> ...I went from man to man to anon
>Yeah and it's gross
My gf was a bit of a slut. That's all you can get in Canada but I won't be beta enough to pretend it's OK.
>>80057093
>23 year old women will always have absurd standards
Men on here seem to overlook this factor. You can't just hook up with young women when you get older, unless you're ripped and wealthy and alpha as fuck, in which case you could have hooked up with them when you were their age.
When you pass 30, you now have better access to over-30 women and ONLY over-30s (usually only 30-37ish as they do get snapped up and force out kids, which calms them down). Take note, a 29.99999yo woman will not look twice at anybody less than Zac Efron; and as soon as the clock strikes twelve she will be begging to suck your dick. Don't ask me why it works like this; it has to be just a combination of nature and social pressure.
>>80057182
A lot of chads stop being chads. I know a chad from HS that got fat and bald and is kind of a loser. Also a lot of younger Chads are just men that are more comfortable with traditional gender roles. Almost all young women want a traditionalist man (even feminists won't ask a man out on a date), but not a lot of 18 year old men are comfortable being as assertive and taking as much initiative as women want. As they get older though most men are fine taking all of the initiative, so Chad's advantage goes away.
>>80058166
>When you pass 30, you now have better access to over-30 women and ONLY over-30s (usually only 30-37ish as they do get snapped up and force out kids, which calms them down). Take note, a 29.99999yo woman will not look twice at anybody less than Zac Efron; and as soon as the clock strikes twelve she will be begging to suck your dick. Don't ask me why it works like this; it has to be just a combination of nature and social pressure.
this is just plain incorrect and I'm not sure what you're basing it on
>>80058166
>wealthy and alpha as fuck
That comes with age.
>>80058166
>29.99999999
actually I've noticed it's kind of a gradual decline starting when they're ~26. THere's definitely a bigger drop the second they hit 30, but a lot of 28-29 year old women see the clock getting close and start having semi-reasonable standards.
>>80058166
>unless you're ripped and wealthy and alpha as fuck
It's more of an "or" than an "and", and buy the time you are in your 30s you are probably "wealthy as fuck" from the perspective of many younger women.
>>80058166
>When you pass 30
>and ONLY over-30s
>woman will not look twice at anybody less than Zac Efron
Zac Efron turns 29 this year.
>>80052587
Is this true? I want to cry and vomit. Being a man is so fucking hard unless you're part of that top 5%
>>80052107
>0 comments
Interesting
>>80052297
I like mummy
>>80058400
>gradual decline starting when they're ~26. THere's definitely a bigger drop the second they hit 30, but a lot of 28-29 year old women see the clock getting close and start having semi-reasonable standards.
This. I'm watching this occur in real time as my peers and siblings are hitting that age.
It's really pretty odd watching women who a few months ago were only worried about getting dicked and cum blasted, doing drugs, and watching netflix are now all "I want to be a mommy now", and watching the fear in their eyes every time they try to up-settle and get knocked back because they're past their prime.
>>80058115
>That's all you can get in Canada
Go outside Toronto, Bubble Boy
>>80050899
wow i hate beta men now
>>80055185
Women aren't necessarily gold diggers. They admire self determination, ambition and maturity. They want someone their kids can look up to. Money tends to go hand in hand with these qualities
>>80052107
Looks like that USSR demoralization campaign that Bezmenov warned us about is achieving its goals rather well.
>>80051616
Almost, but she had this schizophrenia thing going on, you know.
>mfw every 30+ year old woman "wants something real" all of a sudden.
>>80057944
>women have no flexibility
so.... equality? Or does she think that men climbing the corporate ladder have lots of opportunities for work-life balance?
>claim spending your life at work and never seeing your kids is "privilege"
>bitch about having to spend your life at work and never seeing your kids
#JustFeministThings
>Women tend to have greater commitments at home
Because they want to. If a woman wants to get rid of those commitments she can marry a guy that makes 1/3 of what she does and he'll be glad to stay home with the kids while she works herself to death. But it turns out none of these strong independent women bitching about traditional gender roles actually want the male gender role
Images like this get passed around in a smug 'I told you so' sort of way on 4chan, but in reality it's a lose-lose situation for guys like us. We don't get to fuck these women while they're in their prime, but we're still supposed to accept them as a consolation prize when we're both past 30. We'll have worked our arses off throughout our youths to make sure we have a stable and lucrative career, whereas these women will have decided it's time to stop travelling round south east Asia and fucking Chads because they now want to 'settle down' (i.e. marry a man who can provide a standard of life that they want but haven't worked for). The only way guys like us will get young, attractive loyal partners is if we get them from some poor foreign country like Russia, and even then we have to live in the knowledge that they'd never be with us if it wasn't for our money. True love is a meme, and the sexual revolution damaged society.
t. got dumped once so bitter now
>>80058979
I don't even have the wealth and career to attract women, zero romantic/sexual experience, so yeah, I'm fucked. Literally no woman has ever shown interest in me.
>why don't men want my ageing body
Feminism, sweetheart.
there is always single moms :)
>>80058166
That might be true in kangaroo land. Luckily it isn't in here.
>>80057120
>0 non-marital sexual partners
>lowest depression rate
Does this study take in consideration the pre-marriage depression that these virgins have from being unable to have a sexual partner?
>>80058115
>My gf was a bit of a slut. That's all you can get in Canada but I won't be beta enough to pretend it's OK.
But you'll be beta enough to stay with her instead of finding a proper woman
>>80058979
>lose-lose
better than men losing and women winning like when we're younger. Yeah it still sucks but I'm in my late 20s and am already so used to rejection it wouldn't actually bother me if I'm just single forever. And with the internet, finding good escorts is easy and safe.
Now we at least get to watch women deal with the depression and rejection that they made us deal with for the last 15 years.
>>80058979
Just go to church and meet people. It might sound like a meme or something but you'll find girls raised with the right values who want a mature partner for a serious relationship (i.e. courting, not just 'hanging out')
>female goes around being a degenerate for 30 years
>sucking nigger cocks twice aday is her middle name
>she grows old and no one remotely attractive wants to fuck her or buy her stuff anymore
>suddenly want a pure life style and children, a house with a garden.
>turns to a white guy
>white guy says he would rather be with a pure 20 year old than her overused cunt
>goes on facebook and complains
>gets 40k likes
>becomes a front speaker for the leftist feminist movement
>grows old without family or friends.
>Christmas is the worst day ayear for her
>seeing families smiling, laughing and eating togeter through her 1 bed room apartment
>becomes "that cat lady across the street kids are afraid of"
>draws her last breath at 80 realising she shouldn't have been a degenerate
Serves her right.
>>80050899
People talk about this shit all the time and wonder what's going on, but they conveniently ignore the easy to understand risk/reward ratio most guys go by these days. It's just too easy nowadays to distract yourself from loneliness. Outside of /r9k/, no beta is lamenting their situation when they could be actively pursuing a hobby or jacking it to anime sluts when they feel the urge. Most decent guys I know are single and they simply do not give a fuck. Women seriously need to up their game to get attention from men again these days. No one wants what they are selling.
>>80051843
>>80052236
>>80051367
Don't be part of their game
Never marry
Pump and dump divorced women until your last days
SACK UP AND DIE ALONE PEOPLE
>>80051607
XD fat women are mean as hell and think they're tough and are combative, this is why no one can stand them
>>80058283
This. I got a 19 yo Virgin when I was 28
>I was her university tutor
>>80059250
>being unable to imagine how anyone could possibly turn down sex under any circumstance
>>80059062
2bh I'm lucky enough to be tall and I keep myself in good shape, so I actually can get female attention if I look for it. Always been friends with the LADS so that sort of life isn't completely alien to me, but I've just given up on it all now. I want to believe that my partner would love me equally if I was a doctor or if I was unemployed and struggling to find work, but the reality is, a huge part of a man's attractiveness is his ability to provide income. I wonder if homos have this sort of problem.
>>80059260
>at least we get to watch women deal with the depression and rejection
Do they though? Sure, they'll have moments of rejection like in the pic, but for the most part they'll still be able to find some beta guy who's so grateful for female company that he'll marry her and provide for her. Maybe these marriages won't last, but that seems to be the trend for all marriages nowadays.
>>80059287
I actually grew up Catholic and still go to church when I visit my family, and the average age in the congregation is about 70. The only young people who go to church in the UK are blacks and Polish people. Don't have a problem with either in principle, but they tend to be fairly insular communities.
>>80055338
Normally I don't advocate race mixing, especially the pathethic WMAF
but more and more I see that it's just a "fuck you I'm not dealing with your shit" move to white women.
>>80059260
I've no real interest in escorts desu, If I'm a lonely virgin forever so be it
>mfw I literally just dumped my gf yesterday, even though she had a perfect bunda, because she wouldn't suck
Well, she had her chance to adapt.
OP girl probably doesn't suck too, and probably blames it all on men.
Back in the day I was attracted to a bunch of girls who were way out of my league since I was fat and stood at 5 8.
I dated honey girls who were super sweet and took care of Me.
But even homely girls can cheat if they think they can do better.
Skip to age 26 and all those girls I liked are still my "friends" but alot of them are single mom's and post bullshit like "it takes a real man to finish the plate someine else left at the table!" Then they get mad when I tell them that the plate is supposed to be the batters plate.
Also all of them are ugly and I refuse to see how I even found them attractive.
I'm single still but I own a bakery. I own my own home. My own motorcycle.
These women shamed me for not wanting to go to college.
While they went to just fuck around and get worthless degrees.
Nowadays I actually get hit on quite alot by women both my age and younger.
But I don't want to settle down yet.
And God knows it won't be with some used up 3p year old broad.
I still pick up semi homely chicks. I guess I just picked up the fetish for needy bookworm types.
I go to bookstores to hit up chicks.
One of the girls who I asked out many times when I was young and rejected each time recently sent me a text saying that if we both become 30 and neither are married we would get married.
She has 2 kids and is now 250 lbs. She's 26 and works as a waitress at dennys.
>>80058979
>supposed to accept them as a consolation prize when we're both past 30
No your not. Women saying men ought to marry them when their 30 are the female equivalents of 20 year old men saying women ought to be dating them since they are nice.
Morality has nothing to do with it, they are just rationalizing their own interests.
Ought has nothing to do with when they
>>80059062
Eh, you'll come to peace with that. Wealth means noticeably wealthy above average and it's statistically improbable that you'll achieve that. For most betacucks it's the eternal dangling carrot they'll never get (but they will generate a lot of revenue for Mr Shekelberg in the process). Like I said, it's a game that's statistically rigged against you in every way possible. White and Asian countries are old af on average. That makes the available pool of thin women under 30 a very small minority and they're being thirsted over by men of all demographics and income. This was not the case 30, 40 years ago. The majority of the population used to be young.
>>80059310
>draws her last breath at 80 realising she shouldn't have been a degenerate
Here's how it'll go in reality
>draws her last breath at 80 and comes to the conclusion that the game was rigged from the start and the patriarchy stole her life
>>80052624
It can happen in Canada if you lived together for a year or more total in your lifetime, doesn't even have to be continuous.
Canadians have to pay alimony to their one year+ girlfriends after breaking up.with them.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>80059062
same here anon
22 year old virgin
>>80059226
Not here either. I'm 29 and 16 year old girls shamelessly flirt with me.
>>80059465
Hmmm, I guess this explains why most black women are fat.
>>80059620
>2bh I'm lucky enough to be tall and I keep myself in good shape, so I actually can get female attention if I look for it. Always been friends with the LADS so that sort of life isn't completely alien to me, but I've just given up on it all now. I want to believe that my partner would love me equally if I was a doctor or if I was unemployed and struggling to find work, but the reality is, a huge part of a man's attractiveness is his ability to provide income. I wonder if homos have this sort of problem.
I'm in decent shape too myself (always have been, never been fat), only average height though and pretty ugly seemingly. I know what you mean about wanting to trust a partner, it's brutal how pressurised men are in society.
Gay men seem to be a lot more relaxed though with more of an emphasis on casual sex. Life would probably be easier if I was bi desu, maybe I should just find a trap or something.
>>80059754
>One of the girls who I asked out many times when I was young and rejected each time recently sent me a text saying that if we both become 30 and neither are married we would get married.
>She has 2 kids and is now 250 lbs. She's 26 and works as a waitress at dennys.
This is fucking hilarious.
>>80058744
>Implying
Any attractive woman has been with men. Likely over 5 at the very least. If they went to university (over 22yo) you can safely double or even triple that number. Canada is one of the most promiscuous countries in the world.
>>80059256
Yeah.
>>80052107
>'Women tend to have greater commitments at home and so need flexible working arrangements,' she said.
>'While some organisations are prepared to enable this at less senior levels, many will not at the top.
maybe it's because businesses are about making money, and accomodating some mother who'll need to rush off to panic over her little shit's peanut allergy is less profitable than a man who can work normal full-time hours.
>>80050899
The Wall also exists for men. Most guys here think they'll be some bearded Chad with a ferrari when they get older, but in reality 99% of you will just be Bill the balding IT guy when you get old.
This sorta shit makes me want to be 30....only 12 years to go!
>>80059518
Most people aren't paragons of virtue like yourself, and are still bound to earthly desires. That has an obvious effect on their happiness, whether you "feel" like it or not.
>>80050899
i'm 21 years old dating a 27 y/o
>>80059898
Yup. While certain groups are elsewhere fighting for the right to marriage, we're so progressive that you don't have the right to NOT be married!
Hope your girlfriend doesn't have a kid, because you've got child support to dish out now!
>>80053557
Extreme af
>>80053181
I think you're assuming that all women are shallow, which isn't necessarily the case, many women are stable on their own 2 feet so personality and humour of the male come into account. This is why you'll often see fat, disgusting van drivers have pretty hot wives, cus they mostly have top banter.
>>80059754
Neat.
>>80051366
Actually, my best most honest girlfriend(s) didn't suck dick or weren't complete whores. There was one that didn't like me touching her head when giving me a BJ and she would slap my balls as a warning when I tried.
.........
Course that only made me want to keep putting my palm on her head. Point of my cool story is that good women have morals, standards and their own minds. Sluts are for pumping and dumping to boost your ego.
>>80054537
If only the last part was true, they mame themselves too visible and brainwash young girls
>>80059756
Another thing:
Women will get all desperate when they turn 30 and foist attention on you more and more, the more and more they get ignored. BUT, the moment they get comfy, they start to try and fuck with you and have more influence over you/let themselves go. You have to expect that, since women aren't used to not being comfy and having lots of influence over men.
>>80059987
I'm fairly ugly too, and the flipside of this is that ugly men can still be attractive if they are rich/successful. Obviously it helps to be aesthetic too, but for us it's not the be all and end all, especially for serious relationships. Just imagine being an ugly woman - a lot of the time society only values you for your attractiveness, and you don't even have that. It can be shitty for both men and women
>>80059864
If your 30 it is easier to be wealthier than a 20 year old male. And you are competing for 20 year old girls against 20 year old males.
>>80060142
This is always the case. Girls want chadbod and banter. Fuckers who have both are the worst
>>80059754
>One of the girls who I asked out many times when I was young and rejected each time recently sent me a text saying that if we both become 30 and neither are married we would get married.
Brilliant. Tell her its a deal and back out of it when the time comes. Man that bait...
>>80060406
> easier to be wealthier
Are you 30?
>>80052236
if your buddy is rollin in kraut-dollars and is successful, why did he marry UP? That's his opportunity to find a young christian girl, maybe 20? and marry that girl. lock that shit down before they become tramps.
>>80059620
You could try meeting a cute Polish girl.
It's a bonus that if you toilet clogs her father can come fix it.
>>80060670
whats up with anglos always clogging their toilets? I'm 23 and ive never clogged mine (check my flag)
>>80060504
m8 if you're not an idiot and you actually grow beyond the mental age of 20, you can easily be quite well off by your late 20s.
t. 28 year old with a decent place, car, dog, big noice tv, nice savings and a pretty good job
waiting for the housing market to crash so i can get a good house on the cheap, that should be done by the time i'm 31.
>>80060504
He's right, when I was 18 I had nothing, no job, no car or prospects, now I'm 29 and own my car, have an investment property and know where I want to be, I'm much more established.
What they don't tell you is that being an 18 - 25 year old dude can be fucking brutal.
>>80058400
of course they decline badly since they keep spending their time on sucking dick, partying and getting drink
just look at us, i have rarely seen a brit age gracefully, and that's applicable to men as well because they keep getting smashed everytime
>>80060760
>whats up with anglos always clogging their toilets?
Gotta keep Poles employed.
>>80060802
I'm 21 so this gives me some hope.
>Single moms
>When there is an abundance of single women
>When there are millions of young latinas looking for a husband to save them from their former farmer life and to get them their papers
I'd only go after single moms if I was a desperate, virgin beta past 30.
>>80060802
>What they don't tell you is that being an 18 - 25 year old dude can be fucking brutal.
jesus christ this, it's constant bashing for 6-8 years until you eventually lose all semblance of a fuck you once had.
>>80060670
That would be nice, but I don't know where to meet them desu. The area I grew up in actually has quite a lot of Poles, but like I say, they didn't go to my church, and the ones who were at my school tended to keep themselves to themselves and didn't mix with the rest (also, they weren't very qt).
I use Interpals, and it's surprising how easy it is to get intelligent and attractive eastern Euro girls to chat with you and want to meet up. The problem is you'll always have the knowledge that they're only interested in you because you're from a richer country. If you just push that information to the back of your head then you could probably have quite a comfy relationship, in the beginning at least.
>>80060109
>virtue
kek more like walking around the mine field, but this is the west we're talking about here. You wouldn't know.
>>80060504
I'm 29. I have my own house, car and a decent job. More than what most 20 year olds have easily.
Is it recommended to go after single moms if you're 18? would I have any luck?
>mfw beta so my only chance at 25 is to go with a older women
i am perfectly fine with this they are fucking hot and arnt immature airheaded idiots bring it on desu
>>80059310
kinda feel bad for women for this reason desu. Not that I'd want anything to do with them after they've been pumped and dumped. The same way I feel bad for betas raised by single moms. It's just that all the relationship ''red pills'' are often male-oriented. You don't really see any ''Art of Womanliness'' youtube channels or guides on ''how to take back your traditional femininity''. I wonder if there's even demand for that.
A lot of the women who I've talked to (I'm in my early 20s) don't want to have kids or at least haven't planned for it. They say they're afraid that their lives would end as they know it while failing to realize, that it's going to happen anyway and that's kind of the point of having kids.
>>80051616
jesus christ no they all where older than me and aged like milk and settled with kids didnt even kid divorced
>>80060785
>>80060802
>>80061060
Do all Aussies have real estate property by the time they're 30? I find it very hard to believe
>>80050899
>1 post by this ID
when will the shills stop with this crap
this is in no way relevant to this board
>>80060880
noble faggots you lot.
Thats why you keep getting fucked over by 3rd world shit countries and cheated out of your wealth.
>>80060785
got I hope housing prices crash here as well. But not before I get to sell an old appartment I don't live in.
>>80061036
stop stealing our women REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Trigger article 50 or remain eurocucked, faggot
>>80061241
You take out a mortgage and sell your soul to be a wage slave and pray to the Nine Divines some Chinese Crime Lord decides to choose your property for use as his pet money laundering project.
>>80061288
Spotted the woman
>>80061241
The housing market has inflated beyond anything sensible (We're gonna be hit harder than 2008 when that shit crashes) so if you got in early and maybe got a house in a decent quiet suburb, yeah it's entirely possible to have a house by the time you're 30.
Nowadays though, nah. It's better to wait for 4-5 years and watch the housing market burn down in flames and grab some good properties in the chaos.
>>80061241
Mortgage rates are only 4.9% per annum and all you need is a 10% deposit and a 30 000 a year income for an entrance into the real estate market.
30 000 is minimum wage here as well.
BUILD WALL
>>80061241
They have tax havens for homes so their parents probably let them live in the homes>>80061288
>>80050899
shut up old hug
>>80061404
>women on /pol/
that's a good one. I just wish this /r9k/ tier crap would stay there.
This is obviously a scripted bait thread, much like half to a third of what gets posted here.
>>80061354
No offense but is Poland really any more 3rd world than Bulgaria?
That said, I'd prefer to limit immigration to Europeans. Africans and Hispanics are the doom.
>>80060912
Hang in there cob, work hard, look after yourself, get 8 hrs of sleep, try set yourself up and surround yourself with good people. I wish someone told me that when I was your age. You'll be right.
>>80060998
Yep, all my fucks are gone, particularly with women, if they're not on board then too bad.
>>80061241
It's difficult, but not impossible, most of my friends have real estate, one of my best mates bought his first unit at 22.
>female in their thirties
That´s almost past the experiation date.
The biggest argument against incest is MUH GENETIC DISORDERS.
Sticking your dick into a women who is 35 has the same risk of genetic fuckups as sticking your dick into your sister and making her hips move on their own.
And men, who are biolically primed for going for high fertility know it. Fucking christmas cakes.
>>80059465
Yeah actually most black women act just like fat women. That chip on their shoulder that need to be loud and curse all the time. Straight men don't want to date women that act like manlets
>>80059905
>16 year old girls shamelessly flirt with me.
Fatherless 16 year olds shamelessly flirt with anyone a few years older than them because deep down they all want to fuck their dads.
I work part time at supermarket for extra cash while im going through uni and the looks i get from dirty looking teenage rats make me want to vomit. I'm not even that attractive.
>>80061623
But what are they sliding?
no womans ever approached me in the grocery store and offered to cook for me.
i figure they're out paying some gook to cook food for her refugee baby daddy
bye world
>>80056469
>With a map size of outterra/kerbal space program
Inovae engine, broheim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Teqt1Fz8A
Procedurally generated, real-scale environments with no load times. Engine scales up to actual galaxy size.
>>80061774
They aren't fatherless, and they aren't trashy.
>>80061644
Bulgaria is the shittiest of the EU lot bro, poorest, uneducated, backwards, pro-communism on the rise, brainwashed and broken by the regime.
>Africans and Hispanics are the doom.
Correct. But do you know the consequences of mass migration? Eastern Europe is getting sapped of people, demographic suicide is exactly what's going on here. Our social systems, however poor and pathethic, will become unfundable in 20 years because every young bulgarian has moved west. They do send a lot of cash which supports the old though.
Brain drain is real, literally no innovation in the last xx years.
Still no way I can move west for now, too heavily invested here because its bloody lucrative. Best part about being a 3rd world shithole is that farm land is always on the rise so you get amazing returns.
>>80057120
This study doesn't take into account things like how fundie Christian women (Mormons, staunch, guilt ridden Catholics) are likely the ones who wait til marriage to have sex, and have sex after graduating from college.
Let me ask this question: of the virginal prudes who are the "ideal" amongst these charts, which of them are putting out regularly for their husbands, and how many of the husbands are fine with going without sex? I've seen many conservative couples which are sexless and lack passion.
I'm not saying you shouldn't wait til you're mature to have sex, but let's be honest, who waits to have sex when they're 26 and married that isn't a fundie Christian/Muslim/Jew or a beta virgin?
I'm 25 and my gf wants to get married but I'm not ready for a lifelong commitment. Should I sack up and buy the ring or break up? What's a good age to get married?
>>80059754
>saying that if we both become 30 and neither are married we would get married
Haha, girls used to say that to me and other guys I knew all the time, back when we were all young and pretty, and 30 seemed a lifetime away. Yours is pretty classic, though. Who the fuck do these cunts think they are? She thinks she's still got another 4 years of 2good4u left in her?
>>80057621
What if they make more than you, and you don't have a job? Alimony and standard of living work both ways, especially if the father is the care giver for the kids.
>>80062008
It was always odd to me how Eastern Europe is the only economically weak demographic in the world that reproduces below replacement rates.
>>80062093
There isn't one. The average marriage in your country lasts about 8 years.
>>80056186
Devilish
>>80055696
> and he looked like that
He was actually super adorable/cute there. 7-8/10 imo. Ofc the after pic is stallion 9/10
>>80059754
>One of the girls who I asked out many times when I was young and rejected each time recently sent me a text saying that if we both become 30 and neither are married we would get married.
She has 2 kids and is now 250 lbs. She's 26 and works as a waitress at dennys.
Hilarious
>>80062068
If you actually read the study, they control for all sorts of factors, including religiosity.
>>80062201
Wait, you're telling me that you, a "beta man in his 20's" found a stacy that makes MORE than you and you actually think she wants to settle down with you?
What?
>>80062221
we dont reproduce below replacement rates, we sustain western demographics. Literally lost 20 % of our population in the last 25 years due to migration and now our diaspora has fully integrated,settled, married and reproduced abroad. 250k in Chicago alone, 250k in UK, 250k in Germoney and idk what else.
The only good thing is that our gyppos flooded the eurocucks of the north - Sweden in particular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5-nX_gYHPM
Here's my daily reminder why hitler was wrong about not wanting to exterminate us. Literally subhuman filth. I don't know how and why he figured out we werent slavs and spared us.
i think i reached a point where i can't trust women and just view them as walking pussies basically
it kills me that i'll probably never have children
>>80060785
>waiting for the housing market to crash so i can get a good house on the cheap
Pic related, a young Australian man waiting for house prices to dip.
>>80062523
You do. Bulgaria's birth rate is 1.5
Even without the youth drain to the West, you'd have negative growth
>>80052236
>he could do much better
That's the thing - he couldn't. You can't just de-beta yourself overnight.
>>80055086
>Plus she looks like someone beat her round the face with a spade, so I doubt anyone else has ever taken a run at her
When I was in college, a friend of mine had a girlfriend with no attractive features whatsoever - beady eyes, fat, flabby body, no tits, droopy ass, etc. They broke up after he walked in on her in bed with another man.
>>80050899
She looks like Jenna Fischer.
>>80051713
>Dudes literally continue to get better looking through their late 40s.
Does that mean there's still hope for me if I'm an ugly balding 20 something
I'm in good shape. I take care of myself. I just have shit tier genetics. What are you gonna do
>>80061784
are you asking who is pushing shit on here? I honestly have no idea. To be honest I feel like it's just a handful of autists with too much time on their hands. However with all the media attention that /pol/ has gotten recently it could be more nefarious than that.
This board really needs more moderation, there's a ton of porn posted here (it's a SFW board) along with all this retarded off topic bait that never gets deleted. It's more or less the same thing over and over too.
>>80062093
Marry her in secret and only per religion.
State does not need to know about it - no legal divorce possible.
>>80062687
how can we breed more when the fertile bitchez move in USA and settle in, breed 2-3-4 children and never return? Nobody pops a baby BEFORE they move, literally waiting 2-3 years before they start reproducing so they can settle in a better place. Families literally saving wageslave bux to send their kids abroad to study/work and settle, selfless and self-destructive just like Germany.
>>80056186
Don't listen to these cucks.. I literally do this every 3 years or so but its better to get them when they're 24 or 25 and be w them until they're 28.. Then leave them:)
It's absolutely hilarious to watch flap around and see their future flash in front of their eyes!!!
>>80062834
I bet they fuck all the time
>>80057120
The data regarding marriage in that is not the best because the CDC's study had a couple of flaws.
The criteria for being "happily married" is only being married 5+ years, so many women which will end up getting divorced within the decade are counted as being happily married.
The study did not track age or whether the non marital sex partners were pre or post marriage. Age is especially important because of modern divorce rates. It also did not track which marriage (first, second, etc.) the women were in. So there is no distinction between a woman that had (n) partners and has never been married or a woman that abstained from sex until marriage, but then got divorced and had (n) post marital sex partners. Also a woman in her fourth marriage that has never had sex with someone she wasn't married to is counted the same as someone that has been married to and only had sex with a single person.
And probably the worst thing is that all of the data was self reported, with no fact checking of any sort.
It sucks because good data would be nice to have, but it's one of those things like race and IQ where there will never ever be a proper study done because it's too politically incorrect to get the funding it requires.
>>80062941
>20
>Balding
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>80062941
If you get fit, take care of your body (good dental health, take care of skin, use lotion, etc) balding really doesn't matter. Im 27 and have known 30-40 year olds who were balding and had 6/10 faces, but if they were in good shape, shaved their head to have that lex luthor look, and acted confident enough that they could take care of themselves, they drowned in pussy.
>>80050899
>humans of new york
And I'm out.
>>80062941
Shave your head, grow a beard.
There, solved your problem.
>>80063004
Eh, even years ago when this place was more /x/ than /pol/ and we were spammed by Pedowood and Illuminati threads, it was always the same shit over and over, and OPs with only 1 post.
Pretty sure /pol/ was the first board to make the joke that 4chan is just a bot and that only the person responding to someone, and the person they responded to existed, and everything else was a bot.
After all of the Happenings though, we're a mixed culture board. This is just a thread made by some /r9k/ fool who didn't get the responses he wanted on his home board.
>>80051348>>80050899
It freaks me out when there's a woman who doesn't age like shit. My girlfriend looks about my age, even though she's 4 years older than I am, and this one girl we tried seducing looked my age but she was 2 years younger than me. My girlfriend is white, so she may fall apart if not kept on a great diet so I planned out her diet. My hispanic skin doesn't age much, for my great grandpa and grandpa look the same age almost, so I just have to keep fit.
Is smoking worse than alcoholism for age?
>>80063355
Fuck you worthless Anglo sack of shit. It's not my fault. I didn't ask to go bald.
Fat people are the ones who should ve made fun of. It's their own fault. Bald people didn't choose baldness unless they have a shit diet, but that's not me.
>>80060670
Top kek
>>80063751
Women are allowed to judge men on things they cant change like height or balding, but you can't judge women on being fat.
Somebody post that image of a girl asking a dudes height on tinder, and then after he answers he asks for her weight she freaks out.
>>80060760
Because their sewer is full of fat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-1tAolsas0
>>80051616
I am.
INB4 Normie or reddit.
Not all of us have terrible romances guys. And there are good women out there, but they are extremely rare.
Mainly because they aren't the ones that grab your attention. They are shy, and avoid most of the spotlight for the same reasons you do.
If you want a relationship, keep searching but never settle.
>>80063637
alcoholism, not sleeping, not doing sports is worse than smoking alone in my books
>>80063751
Ok. Please tell me what I shouldnt eat. Dont want to become a baldnigger.
>>80051616
Her parents sent her to a nice school and she's currently aging into a fat single christmas cake managing a hotel now out in Chicago. At least she seems happy. Makes me depressed every time we talk to one another once in a while.
