Thoughts on this image, /pol/?
>>79906555
Other countries afraid that Trump will put America first for once.
>>79906555
Why would I care what all these hangers-on think? Last time I checked we aren't electing the President of the World, except in the sense that we run this shitshow, of course.
>oh noes with Trump Americans might stop giving us free shit for hating them
Get fucked, everyone else.
>>79906555
>1 post by this id
>>79906555
I have no confidence in Trump either, but I still want him to win.
I just fucking hate Muslims.
>>79906644
Zaxby's is a dump. No way it tops Popeyes.
Wingstop is criminally disgusting.
>>79906555
What is the 'right thing' regarding world affairs?
>>79906555
>The most cucked countries disapprove of Trump
What a surprise.
Would swedes like Trump if he were black?
>>79906555
fuck every single one of those countries. america first
>>79906555
SUPERPOWER
>>79906555
He does fairly well in China considering part of his platform is fuck China back.
>>79906555
Looks like the day of the rope will be a blood bath. Fucking traitors.
>>79907025
their media is so censored they've probably never heard of him
>>79906555
It has a lot of the red color and not as much of the blue color
also there are horizontal bars
>>79907025
the chinks want a worthy adversary because taking advantage of Obama is boring?
ALL I NEED IS ONE POST
>>79906555
Media.
The media here shits on Trump on a daily basis whenever they have the chance.
>>79906825
Chicken Express BTFO of popeyes. Although popeyes is #2
How many electoral votes do countries besides the united states get in the general election?
Wtf I'm a poointheloomissile now
Surprise surprise the two most cuckholded and pussy nations at the top.
Swedish men actually deserve to have their women distributed between the invaders and forced into harems.
Maybe in that moment they will realise how stupid they were.
>>79907127
bullshit
it's not the 1960s in china anymore
Do you have stats for Russia? It must be like 90% or somn
>>79906555
how'd they even measure this
who'd they ask, where and all that?
>>79906555
>countries that will collapse in the next 20 years
>>79906555
>caring about the opinions of countries that are not America
I could not care any less than I already do.
>>79907302
>Swedish men actually deserve to have their women distributed between the invaders and forced into harems.
As triggered as you are, saying that about white women is pretty low.
>>79906555
Why should the US President care about "doing right by the rest of the world" etc...
He isn't the President of the world and globalism is cancer.
All the US President should be concerned about is making the USA as wealthy, unified and strong as possible.
The other countries should do the same for themselves.
I don't want my President concerning himself at all with other countries other then making sure whatever trade deals we make with them are good for us and are fair.
>>79906555
when will the rest of the world get the message? WE DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT YOU THINK we don't study your history because we don't fucking care. you only exist to be effected by us, and the only history you have that matters is our effect on you. We never think about you. the UN is only on our soil so we can have a network of embassies and military bases in your shithole country, and spy on you to make sure you aren't going to try fucking with us. and if you fuck with us you'll get the starred and stripe dick of the law like the chinks did in 1945. we'll vote for whoever we want and the fact that a racist, isolationist, who wants to wall off our country and charge you faggots for the aid you receive from us should show you what we think of other countries.
>>79907404
I'm not triggered.
Sweden is literally an invading armies wet dream. Beautiful women to rape and impregnate, cucked males to kill and displace.
If you can't fight to preserve your civilisation then you deserve to watch it burn.
>>79906555
>irrelevant countries weigh in
like asking your sister about the football draft
>>79908068
Damn that really made me think...
>>79906555
Why are poo-in-loos so neutral about him?
>>79908113
No Swedish woman (or man for that matter) deserves ethnic displacement simply because they're easily led rubes.
All of you ethnic Northern Europeans are some variant of 50 shades of cuck, anyways.
>>79907404
Sweden and Germany deserve everything they're getting and more.
Look how China likes Trump compared to others. China doesn't get butthurt like Mexico even tho Trump says nasty things about them because they know its business not personal.
>>79906555
Well, fuck, better listen to Sweden and Germany, because they know how to run a country... especially when it comes to immigration.
>>79908287
Poos actually have a positive view of Hitler. They're either insane or incredibly red pilled.
>>79906555
http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/29/as-obama-years-draw-to-close-president-and-u-s-seen-favorably-in-europe-and-asia/
here's "research" they did, they are also operated out of D.C. pretty much by typical special interest "groups" with bottomless pockets that run the country at this point, they're even in D.C. so lobbyists can walk from Congress over to them conveniently
>>79908287
They have a ancient caste system in place or sort of did before the age of cucks.
They know the drill deep down.
>>79908324
No, they simply don't.
The grand con of multiculturalism is an extremely seductive narrative.
These people are just masses of good-natured plebes being led by the nose, as asses are, to quote Shakespeare.
>>79908287
they have experience with muslims
>>79906555
>Europe is fully cucked
Shocking
>>79908287
Because they've never heard of him.
>>79906555
Why is Japan so high?
>>79908622
Because Japan relies heavily on trade with America.
>>79908512
Europe 500m have about 1m rapefugees to deal with. But USA with 300m have almost 10m illegals to deal with.
End of the day it will be Europe saving USA not USA saving Europa
Now tell me who is more cucked pls?
>they didn't put Russia
https://youtu.be/pDMkOft5v9U
>>79906555
>implying I should care about foreign opinions on American politics
>>79906825
Is your local Wingstop run by niggers? That might be why.
>>79906644
Popeyes in underrated as fuck on that chart. Spicy tenders are GOAT.
>>79908622
>>79908725
Japan could actually have their economy completely destroyed by an American market that freezes out their automotive industry. A large chunk of Japan's economy is invested in that industry, and the Japanese themselves allow less than a 2% foreign market share to infiltrate their domestic automotive market.
If the US just completely froze out Japanese automakers like that, and 98% of all car sales were domestic, the Japanese economy would never recover.
>>79908290
>No Swedish woman (or man for that matter) deserves ethnic displacement simply because they're easily led rubes.
Who are you to say nature taking it's course is wrong?
Might makes right. That is the only law.
>>79908945
In that case, I don't have to respond to your post, I just have to beat you to death with a hammer.
>>79909013
Well first you would have to find me.
Then you would have to outrun my gun.
>>79909088
Everything I say is satire and completely legal. I would never make any specific threats about arson, I'm a philosophical pacifist.
In all seriousness, your 'philosophy' is just you being dumb and I want no part of it.
>>79908765
Europe's 500M let in 1 million rapefugees in about a year
USA's 300M has 10 million illegals over the course of 51 years since the immigration reform of 1965
>>79906555
It's a list of most cucked to least cucked, OP. Pretty clear on that one.
>>79908622
>japan high
>china low
because his view on military intervention
Most of those countries are also under Muslim invasion, so I don't know if their opinion is worth much.
>>79909233
>In all seriousness, your 'philosophy' is just you being dumb and I want no part of it.
You really think Might makes right has no merit?
What do you say about the Romans conquering those weaker then them, and taking their women and wealth?
What of the Mongols who did the same?
What of the countless empires that have done the same all through history?
They were in the wrong? Says who? Your 'morals' that can do nothing to stop nature taking its course?
Humanity progressed because the strong overcame the weak. You cry for the weak but that is all you can do.
>>79908765
I think you misunderstand me
I said Europe. The statement doesn't apply. to the UK.
Well..unless you are a Scot, in which case you better get out your shovel and be ready to build the big, beautiful wall 2.0
>>79909233
more like a philosophical faggot
>>79906555
Looks like Italy needs some EU reeducation and sensitivity training soon.
>>79909514
You should try reading some actual philosophy and not just retard babble you made up because it signaled that you were a tough guy.
I mean, your argument is literally that people shouldn't fight back or resist and take on your ridiculous role of the 'strong' because... well, it's not clear, but it seems to be a philosophy that disarms people you don't want fighting back.
>>79909622
They had their own Trump already.
>>79909750
>I mean, your argument is literally that people shouldn't fight back or resist and take on your ridiculous role of the 'strong' because
Where did I ever say that? You misinterpret me and project your own failings onto me. You are the pacifist, not I.
I honestly think this invasion of Europe may be a good thing. It is like a pathogen that causes the immune system to respond. Either the host dies or it fights off the infection and gets stronger. Either way it prevents the stagnation and decay that the west was facing.
I hope Sweden does overcome this and reclaim what is theirs. But they sure as hell won't do it by whining and submitting as pacifists.
>Btw, the list of the last books I've read includes the Tao Te Ching (re-read), and Utilitarianism by John Stuart Mill. Fuck off with your smug and unearned sense of superiority
>>79906644
>Cane's opened 2 blocks from my house
Great feel comrade
>>79906555
Now show me poland, hungary, and Russia
>>79910174
You don't even seem to have an argument, aside from your freshman level reading list (to be fair, no Jewish professor would waste their student's time with Eastern """""philosophy""""").
No, victim rhetoric isn't noble, but I will use everything in the arsenal to effect my political goals.
However, I wasn't even proposing victim rhetoric. I was merely saying that my fellow white brothers do not inherently 'deserve' deracination simply because they're easily fooled. They can be brought back up to speed with ease, whereas racial destruction is a permanent fate.
>>79906555
>Foreigners
straightouttafucks.png
>>79910448
>He thinks Eastern philosophy isn't just as good if not better than western philosophy
The weak deserve whatever the strong decide from them. That is the pragmatic view.
Anything else is pure naive idealism. You talk about what you think the world should be like. I deal with the world as it is.
And what recent philosophy have you read that you consider so much better than the master Lao-Tzu?
>>79910772
>>He thinks Eastern philosophy isn't just as good if not better than western philosophy
Eastern """"philosophy""""" isn't even a discourse. It has no intention or aim at deriving epistemic truths, it just waxes philosophical with the true intention of enforcing civic virtue. Basically the same as someone pretending to have an ideological system in order to control their population. This is not the pursuit of knowledge, this is the pursuit of docility - docility that characterizes the East, incidentally. You seem overly concerned with mindless, shit-eating platitudes though, so I can understand why that kind of stuff might appeal to you.
Nothing you're saying is 'pragmatic', it's not even philosophy, it's just nonsense. It isn't even something that can be engaged with because it has no structure, no referent, no philosophical tradition, and largely makes no sense at all.
>>79906644
>NO BOJANGLES
HAS YALL NIGGAS NEVER HEARD BOUT BOJANGLES???
>>79906644
kfc should be way higher
>>79910398
this ;^)
>>79906555
Eastern Europe?
>>79911111
You don't even know anything that you're talking about and you're projecting really hard. You are of a clearly inferior mind. You never address anything, nor have you provided an argument. Your only point this entire thread is that it's mean to say that a people that castrated themselves are reaping what they sow.
Your entire knowledge of Eastern philosophy seems to be Confucianism. You don't even know a thing about Taoism, and are too stupid to realize your own ignorance.
>Nothing you're saying is 'pragmatic', it's not even philosophy, it's just nonsense. It isn't even something that can be engaged with because it has no structure, no referent, no philosophical tradition, and largely makes no sense at all.
Like I said, projection. I am pragmatic in that I say the weak being destroyed by a stronger people is the course of history. Your only counterpoint is a whinge of pacifism (The most retarded philosophy ever thought-up).
You can't even answer a simple question, proof of your inferiority.
>>79906555
Any of those countries mattering to the US.
lmao
>>79911263
bojangles isn't as good as church's or popeyes.
>>79906555
who gives a shit about what the rest of the world thinks about our decision to elect a leader? fuck them
i think Angela merkel is a communist cunt who wants to destroy europe. should germoney care? probably not
>>79911547
>You don't even know anything that you're talking about
I've studied philosophy at the highest academic level and contributed to prestigious publications of associated fields when I was an undergrad. I know far more than someone who writes like a C-tier state college graduate.
>Your entire knowledge of Eastern philosophy seems to be Confucianism. You don't even know a thing about Taoism, and are too stupid to realize your own ignorance.
Daoism enforces the same philosophical postulates, basically the subversion of self into some kind of obscure metaphysical miasma for obscure metaphysical reasons. It is a largely metaphysical doctrine with a loose aside to civic virtues, ie. ethics. It follows the exact pattern I described and can be more or less dismissed as garbage.
To be frank, if you're not in the analytical tradition, you more or less fit the mold of garbage philosophy, anyhow.
>I am pragmatic in that I say the weak being destroyed by a stronger people is the course of history
This view is contrary to basic evolutionary biology. Social Darwinism is inconsistent with our ability to form coalitions, basically an amalgamation of the "weak" in order to enforce their interests. As such, human history is basically pocked with the "weak" affecting their will, because the "weak" can just club you with rocks if you deny them legitimacy.
>Like I said, projection
You really need to stop with the Freudian buzzwords thing. It's completely contrary to any kind of reasonable approach to anything. Freudianism has even less credibility than Eastern """"philosophy""".
>>79906644
chick-fil-a sucks fucking ass. every time I go there the food sucks. i dont get the hype.
>>79912373
It used to be much better, at least the chain that is local to me.
>>79910350
one love woof woof nigga
Just like brexit right goyim
>>79912563
my food is always soggy and luke warm... whats so good about it?!?!?! ive had it like 4 times now and its always teh same. different locations, too.
>>79912093
>He thinks academia today is worth a damn
It's not. Academia today (especially philosophy) is mental masturbation and nothing more. Your post is wrought with errors and you never make an argument. You rely more on ad-hom than anything else.
>C-tier state college graduate.
Because I make sure I'm writing my best on 4chan.
>If you don't follow my philosophical tradition you are following a false god
Nice dogma. You're no different than a fundamentalist Muslim.
>This view is contrary to basic evolutionary biology
Group selection is important. Stronger groups beat weaker groups. The points in human history where the "weak" affected there will are the exceptions to when the strong ruled. Modern society is characterized by wealthy elites who are above the law and can literally get away with murder.
>Freudian buzzwords
Jungian actually. But I see your knowledge of psychology is about on par with your knowledge of philosophy. You have certificates of paper that you jumped through hoops like a trained dog to get, and they have falsely convinced you of your superiority.
>>79906555
>The same people who support multiculturalism and open borders dont like Trump
stop the presses!
>>79908287
they border a muslim country
Good thing they aren't voting
>>79906644
>popeye's so low
wut
>>79912652
this made me chuckle
>>79908926
>>79913020
calm down jamal
>>79912875
>japan
>supports multiculturalism and open borders
you tried
>>79906555
cuck leaders of europe don't know about the HIGHENERGY effect. nothing unexpected.
>>79906644
Chick-fil-A, Boston Market, El Pollo Loco, Zaxby's, Popeyes, KFC, and Church's Chicken are supreme-tier fast-food restaurants.
>the cuck triumvirate doesn't approve of an alpha
who would have guessed
>>79912868
>Academia today (especially philosophy) is mental masturbation and nothing more
>herp a derp a herp a derp
Some good work is being done in academia. Most worthwhile philosophical and even sociological works are being done in academia, or at least implied by academic works. It has a certain toxicity that is reminiscent of its Jewish domination, but to pan it entirely just reeks of the fox and his grapes.
>You rely more on ad-hom than anything else
An insult is not an ad hominem. An ad homienm is a specific logical convention wherein the argument is specifically rebutted via insult. An argument can be rebutted and the person involved can be insulted without the invocation of an ad hominem.
>Because I make sure I'm writing my best on 4chan.
Smart people don't try to be smart. We just are.
>Nice dogma. You're no different than a fundamentalist Muslim.
Right - anyone with opinions is just the same as a Muslim. Like, any belief whatsoever is just a religion, man! Deep philosophical insight. People who believe in Physics and Electrical Engineering are just members of the caliphate of science. Ho boy - you're fucked.
>Group selection is important
Actually, group selection isn't even real. I know this will be beyond you, because the reasoning is mathematical, but group selection is an illusion. Selection actually occurs at the individual level.
>there will
>Jungian actually
The concept of projection originated with Freud. Apart of this fact - which is actually somewhat tangential, but kind of a funny aside re: you pretending to not be retarded - projection is a central concept in Freudian psychology, and is widely culturally employed as such. The conception is Freudian, the application is Freudian, and the applicator (you, in this case) is a flagrant retard.
>>79906775
>AJP
>dude weed lmao
its truely disappointing to see so many meme parties on a house of representatives ballot paper
that shit should only be reserved for the senate. regardless they wont get elected anyway
>>79906644
Aww I kinda like churches. Depends on which one you go to, time of day, ect
>>79906555
And how many did they ask? 100 union members in sweden ? And it realy dosen't matter since none us citisen don't do their resarch and only go with the main stream idea they don't realy care who wins but if they get forced to tell a name they just go with the main stream idea.
>>79906555
>other countries
Who cares?
>>79913382
>but to pan it entirely just reeks of the fox and his grapes.
Perhaps I was too strong on that. But academia is clearly gone awry. My perspective is actually from that of Physics (which makes your other insults quite humorous) but I honestly think scientific progress is quite hampered by the way it operates today. Maxwell and Faraday weren't constrained to work on problems based on being awarded grants, rather they were following their passions. Academia today does not allow this.
>Right - anyone with opinions is just the same as a Muslim
It's interesting how you manage to misconstrue everything. I didn't say all opinions make you the same as a religious fundamentalist. I said your mindset of "Any other line of thought that isn't my own personal dogma is garbage" makes you akin to a religious fundamentalist. But your mind is so lacking that you can't even see your own flaws when faced with them.
By the way, I would wager in another conversation you would claim there is dogma in science (There is). Though that's not to say there's anything wrong with EE.
>Group selection debate
It's an open debate in Biology, honestly. I think current opinions are pushing it away from group selection, but I disagree with their interpretation. For social species the survival of the individual depends on the survival of the group. It's pretty obvious human minds evolved under group pressures, the Asch conformity experiments results' are most likely a reflection of humans needing some level of consensus to survive.
>Pointing out a typo that I noticed after the fact, sorry I'm not proofreading my 4chan posts. You act as if I were publishing this
I've only studied Jung, and projection is a core concept in his model as well. The two were contemporaries.
>>79906775
>fucking up your voting card for lel meme man
>making sure your vote doesn't count
KEK
>>79908502
We don't need good natured in our stock. We need ruthless and clannish.
>>79906555
Good that means he's gonna make a good President if they don't like him. They like Obama because he's their little puppet.
>>79906555
I supported him since the first debate and I have no confidence in him either.
>>79909233
>pacificst
HA holy fuck kill yourself ASAPPPP
>>79906555
>They don't include Eastern Europe at all. Just the faggot parts of Europe.
Dropped
My thoughts are for a more isolationis nation. We are one of the countries that can actually do it. America is the sad little rich kid that no one likes. Once we take our toys and decide to go home the rest of the kids will start fighting with each other again. Hell Russia knows this and had already started moves
>>79914427
>My perspective is actually from that of Physics
Okay, maybe you have some lurking quantitative/mathematical/spatial intelligence, but you're not up to par verbally, and as such, I don't see why you should participate in this dialectic. We don't need retards bumbling about with amateur, edgy contrarian interpretations of basic philosophy, we need people with the minds and skills to legitimately debate and add to contemporary philosophical discourse. My personal interest is the blind spot of Western philosophy, which is that little thing that exists between liberalism and marxism, which are the two ideologies that predominate in Western academia. That little thing is called fascism.
>academia is clearly gone awry
Right, academia is the domain of the enemy. It also has the only infrastructure conducive to any kind of legitimate intellectual inquiry. Maybe SOME rare independent inquiry is occurring that is worthwhile, but I remain skeptical.
>I said your mindset of "Any other line of thought that isn't my own personal dogma is garbage" makes you akin to a religious fundamentalist
It's a flawed form of argumentation that misunderstands uncertainty. Things can be more or less rigorous, which reduces uncertainty, and thusly held to a higher standards to those that are less rigorous. The social sciences are highly uncertain, so methodologies that reduce uncertainty should be held in higher regard. The analytic tradition of philosophy is this methodology. It has its dogma, but it reduces uncertainty to an extent that very little philosophy has attempted. Islam has a huge amount of uncertainty and dogma.
>It's an open debate in Biology
Not really. In any case, it's irrelevant.
>I've only studied Jung
I'm sorry to say that you've completely wasted your time. Better luck next time, friend.
>>79914756
I am those things, luckily, and not an ethnic Northern European, unsurprisingly.
>>79906555
Kek. The only reason China is highest is that they know they'll be able to walk all over him.
>>79906555
We have had more hit pieces on trump in the media in Australia then information about our own candidates for elections.
>>79915278
>I'm a chink
go away then
>>79915466
I'm Italian, bro.
>>79906555
>india at 32%
For what purpose?
Why would you have confidence in a foreign leader?
>>79906555
>all countries that trump ISN'T running for president in
opinion disregarded
>>79915514
South of Rome is not Italy.
>>79910350
those spicy tenders make my asshole a fire hole
>>79915818
Obviously it is in the legal sense, but even if you were to consider them to be ethnically Greek/Cypriot/((((Jewish))) due to autistic autosomal comparison, it's more or less the same. Modern states are just shorthand, nobody is 'Swedish' or 'German', you're Bavarian, or even your shitty autistic German town. Still, these states have currency, and as such, are relevant identifiers, even on the ethnic level.
>>79906644
Raising Cane's is so good, sometimes I get jealous of Amerifats and your large amount of fast food chains. On that whole list Canada only has KFC which is gross.
>>79906644
KFC is so ass and they charge like $20 for an 8 piece. Any not shit super market will sell you a better tasting 8 piece for like $7.
>>79915278
Your first paragraph is more religious doctrine. You are no different than people thousands of years ago crying "Only the priests may interpret scripture!" It's made all the more hilarious and insulting to your own persona by the fact that you think only people of your elite status should be allowed to argue philosophy on /pol/. I can see right through you at this point, and I can laugh at your absurdity.
For your next paragraph I will quote Hesse
""It is not a good thing when man overstrains his reason and tries to reduce to rational order matters that are not susceptible of rational treatment. Then there arise ideals such as those of the Americans or of the Bolsheviks. Both are extraordinarily rational, and both lead to a frightful oppression and impoverishment of life, because they simplify it so crudely. The likeness of man, once a high ideal, is in process of becoming a machine-made article."
Reason and logic are all well and good, there is no denying that. But there are facets of the human experience that lie outside there realm.
And Jung is far from a waste of time.
Not surprised. Keep in mind that people here do not actually know about the political issues in the US or watch speeches.
All info they get from our media is republicans being evil creationist climate change denying gun nuts.
>>79906775
"in the order of your choice"
what the fuck does that mean is 1 best or is 5 best
>>79906555
The "polls" said the same thing about brexit.
Politicians, celebrities, athletes, scientists, writers, etc all said brexit was bad and wouldn't happen and they all got blown the fuck out.
(((Globalists))) think they can control democracy by trying to force "mainstream" opinions of their own design but at the end of the day people are getting sick of their greed and dishonesty
>>79916029
Sicilian = sandnigger
>>79908093
Thank you.
Trump wins with an interesting combination of numbers.
>tfw the rest of the world finally accept muricans don't give a blimey fuck what they think about their politics
>>79916664
Damn it! Off by 2.
>>79916189
>You are no different than people thousands of years ago crying "Only the priests may interpret scripture!"
My concern is strategic. I want to allocate people where their talents are actually useful.
Part of the problem you're experiencing is the democratic sensibility inherent in our society, the notion that all peoples have opinions that are inherently worthwhile simply because they exist, and are more or less capable of reason. Rather, people should be deterred from inefficiently allocating their abilities. When you assert yourself as a human in an inherently democratic system, you undermine the ideals that you're attempting to align yourself with, simply because you're not intelligent enough to be their advocate. You can advocate for them in other ways, to be more specific, rather than in intellectual discourse.
>Reason and logic are all well and good, there is no denying that. But there are facets of the human experience that lie outside there realm.
I'm actually very sympathetic to liberal anti-rationalism, but you're misapplying the concept. It's only supposed to be an attack on runaway rationalism that calls into question everything and thus gaslights our ability to have any kind of opinions at all.
I am a Bayesian, which is also anti-rationalist, because it incorporates, but doesn't venerate empiricism.
>And Jung is far from a waste of time.
I'm willing to grant that *maybe* some of those pseudoscientists had some worthwhile insights, accidentally, but their methodologies were terrible, and the Freudian tradition was very damaging to Western society. Legitimizing it in any way should be actively avoided.
>>79916534
Not really.
>>79916484
The (((polls))) will show Hillary in the lead from here on out. Trump needs to enlist quiet support from his Legion of Closet Supporters.
I know several people who publicly proclaim "I would never vote for Trump!". Then, they say: "But...." and proceed to give a brilliantly crafted message to the dumbasses on the fence.
All you need to do is place 1 or 2 seeds of doubt into someone's mind ("like a splinter in their brain") and then let psychohistory work its magic.
>>79908093
"History began July 4th, 1776. Everything before that was a mistake."
>>79906555
>china has the most
truly a hearty kek
>>79917208
It's because they respect strongmen who are powerful leaders, and Trump is arguably one of the greatest and most successful businessmen in the world. The Chinese respect that, unlike most Americans.
>>79916811
>the notion that all peoples have opinions that are inherently worthwhile simply because they exist, and are more or less capable of reason
I do not believe in this.
>people should be deterred from inefficiently allocating their abilities
This is actually what my "anti-rationalism" is attacking. I think it is worthwhile for the lay person to be encouraged to grapple with scientific and philosophical knowledge, even if it is beyond them. They may never be as articulate as you are, but they will be less ignorant for it. They will be less mistrustful of it as well, which is an important thing. There have been times in history when the plebs have revolted against the learned because the knowledge was kept so hidden from them. You cannot treat people as robots that you need to make as efficient as possible 24/7 (only when they are on the job). 4chan is clearly leisure time for us (except for the shills). Anyone should be allowed and encouraged to engage, though not everyone is deserving of respect regardless of their merit.
>you're misapplying the concept
No, because I am not anti-rationalist. I do study physics remember. Empiricism, logic, mathematical certainty (or at least to 6 standard deviations) are all profoundly important. But they will never encapsulate the human condition, and attempts to do so harm society (Freud was such an attempt).
Consumerism is one of the cancers of today's world. It's what Hesse is talking about. The rational American system sees to it that a citizen is well fed, well sheltered, and has more entertainment than he could ever exhaust, but he still suffers because the cost of all of this has been the loss of spirituality.
>>79916867
Yup.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Sicily
>>79907025
Low class Chinese are hurt by China's artificial inflation. The biggest reason China is able to pull it off while no other country can is because they aren't a democracy, so they can take unpopular measures like that without caring about what the people think.
Also, I imagine a lot of the polled Chinese were actually from Taiwan.
>>79906555
How can you prefer Clinton at all?
She's quite literally evil.
>>79916189
>>79916811
Jung is something of a mystic, and his stuff is a hodgepodge and something of a philosophic foot note at best, but because that Austrian school of psychoanalysis still possesses currency, albeit the unconscious kind, even today, it's no waste of time for an enquiring mind.
Only on /pol/ would you find arguing about who has the best fried chicken, and East meets West philosophical tradition in the same thread.
>>79917618
The occurrence of a pleb synthesizing an inadequate worldview from snippets of knowledge is actually incredibly damaging on the existential level to our society, and is perfectly symptomatic of the democratic ideal. The notion of universal parity inculcated in the individual gives them the impression that their opinion - or ability to formulate opinions - is worthwhile, or reflective of legitimacy. The pleb then goes on to formulate ad hoc opinions on a regular basis, never questioning or weighing his opinions against those of others in a sense that doesn't belie a completely untenable sensation of self-importance. Because the democratic individual is supremely self-interested, and thus self-confident, the esteem in which he holds his opinions is completely inconsistent with the weight of evidence, or evidence parsed with reason. See: Internet vegans who become supremely confident in their knowledge of veganism because they can cite a few studies supporting veganism, completely ignorant that the weight of the entire field is in question, and citing a few studies is an inadequate measure of the field. Here, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but much less so because the vegan isn't actually entitled to a referendum on the mass consumption of animal flesh.
>No, because I am not anti-rationalist
You're an anti-rationalist. Go read Hayek's Law Liberty and Legislation, he describes the case for anti-rationalism quite well. He was a liberal, so obviously, was a staunch empiricist. Anti-rationalism is more about rejecting the concept of extreme rationalism, which is inherent in the doctrine of the command economy, because it purports that we can assess all of the relevant variables, despite not having the capacity to actually do so. Anti-rationalism is a rejection of our competence in assessing too-complex problems.
>Consumerism is one of the cancers of today's world... Hesse...
It's irrelevant wank 'philosophy'. Split milk: the thesis.
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now." - James B. Comey, FBI Director
Related video that I really recommend listening to when you get the chance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMi072Ae_0w
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>>79906555
Who gives a fuck what countries around the world think about the President of the United States?
>>79917971
I'm not really interested in the argument. Go look at some autosomal comparisons, which are really the only relevant measure of whiteness, because whiteness is a construct that implicitly means 'in my genetic likeness', which is obviously relative.
>>79918190
Like I said, I sometimes feel that Freud accidentally got several things about Psychology right, because several of his ideas do seem at least somewhat consistent with reality, but the majority body of his work has been rejected, and the case was convincingly made by Kevin MacDonald that his influence was very damaging to Western civilization. Opining that plebs study this stuff - you being a pleb - is just going to end with you being seduced by a convincing, high verbal IQ narrative that is contrary to your interests. Most people shouldn't read Jewish opinions at all, because you're just going to be too impressed by their fancy verbiage to actually critically analyze their ethnic self-promotion.
>>79918771
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>>79918495
Your first assertion seems to me outright absurd.
Every pleb living and dead has synthesized an inadequate worldview based on snippets of knowledge, I see this as a defacto law of the world. Even your worldview, though it may be a bit more complete, is still limited and inadequate by the standard of someone more qualified. Furthermore the only other option is that his worldview is formed solely based on what an authority tells him. You desire that the pleb not question, only accept the words given to him by someone deemed qualified. I must imagine you think yourself such a person (am I mistaken?). In which case projection is quite apt here. You accuse the pleb of only operating on self-interest and being overly self-confident, yet you are so confident in yourself that you think yourself worthy to be a prophet that will espouse a philosophy in your own interests.
I think every little bit an individual can push back his own ignorance is to the betterment of himself and society, even if we must understand that not all opinions are equally deserving of weight.
>Anti-rationalism is a rejection of our competence in assessing too-complex problems.
The thing is, I believe we can develop such ability. I think it is also possible to develop a complete understanding of the machinations of the human brain. But even such an understanding wouldn't override man's inherent need for spirituality. It's not that we are too incompetent and can never gain such competence, it's that there is a realm altogether removed from reason.
~
You think consumerism is good then?
>>79911263
Yes. It's disgusting and for niggers.
>>79912373
You must live in a bad area. The cute white girls that make my food always do a good job.
>>79919526
>Every pleb living and dead has synthesized an inadequate worldview based on snippets of knowledge, I see this as a defacto law of the world. Even your worldview, though it may be a bit more complete, is still limited and inadequate by the standard of someone more qualified
There's an obvious threshold. What I'm describing is reminiscent of Evola's 'natural aristocracy', which is kind of a weird metaphysical construct to Evola, but is actually reflective of what occurs in the real world; an upper class with the natural ability of more or less good judgment, and an under class with inferior judgment. The assertion is basically that those below must be led by those from above. I hold to this idea. I don't think it's entirely possible, but I think a few steps in the right direction could aid us in this goal. For example, if the majority of people were trained to simply not have opinions, or reject the idea that they could have opinions without very adequate study, I think we'd find an inherently more informed population, because those less informed would recuse themselves from the debate.
Obviously this type of elitism is undesirable in a climate where the elite are just Jews looking to scam you with fancy verbal tricks, but the general current of elitism versus the current of populism has always been more appealing to me philosophically, even post-Trump.
>You think consumerism is good then?
No, I think it's the bell that has been rung and can never be unrung, or the milk that has been split and can never be unsplit. Primitivist ideas are probably technically correct, or at least, I'm highly sympathetic to them, but they're irrelevant because they describe a state of affairs that can never be emulated for various reasons. Basically, the whole thing is a pointless wank and doesn't deal in any kind of pragmatic philosophy.
>>79914446
>implying he wanted to vote for any of the five
>>79919526
Also generally, you should actually mostly hold to consensus positions on various subjects. This is the best way to create opinions most reflective of reality - with some reservations to this method. You need to be sensitive to and correct for political interference, and you need to be sensitive to and correct for various dogmas that present in consensus that damage scientific credibility. It's a balancing act, but it's basically a Bayesian approach to having a worldview; collect evidence that is most probably reflective of reality, rather than ideas that are reflective of reality.
Most of scientific consensus is actually pretty solid. Global Warming is real. Race is actually real and racial differences in intelligence exist, which isn't necessarily scientific consensus per se, but is consistent with the only scientific literature available on the subject, so it would be consensus if people were permitted to operate honestly, or is even understood consensus for various fields. Other facts of scientific consensus are probably mostly correct.
Serious problems come from the softer sciences because their methodologies are so questionable, so you can more or less cherry pick with those, but, generally, having correct opinions is consistent with just deferring to what the experts are saying, and having the ability to do so effectively.
>>79906644
Chick-fil-A is overpriced as hell. I would probably say Zaxby's wins out of those options.
>>79906555
> they didn't put russia in
nice try
>>79920432
Do Russians just do whatever RT tells them to do?
>>79920479
RT is for foreigners, we have state TV channels for this.
>>79919975
>For example, if the majority of people were trained to simply not have opinions, or reject the idea that they could have opinions without very adequate study, I think we'd find an inherently more informed population
The problem is I see this as what the world has basically already become. Most of the people around me DON'T have opinions. And those that do simply parrot the opinions that the (((elites))) told them were correct. I would much prefer people be taught to form their own opinions, but also be taught how to have a dialectic to watching this trend of people being conditioned not to think continue.
Although teaching people to not express their opinions if it will interrupt the dialectic of those more capable is also a suitable goal. But you can't pretend like every time two plebs discuss something its drowning out your wisdom.
>I think it's the bell that has been rung and can never be unrung
I don't suggest we have to give up our material wealth. I just think we can return to spiritual endeavor and growth while maintaining our material comforts.
Generally speaking those that have reached heights of spirituality actually had all their needs provided for. Only the crazy ascetics thought to starve in the wilderness as a way of growth.
>>79920510
>watching the electric slav
>>79920561
Is tradition to squat down around a TV to drink.
Whenever you run out of subjects or sense of humor to have fun, you point at the TV for additional keks.
The downside is that you're absorbing state media by accident while doing so.
>>79920432
>mexico
kekkk
you ruskies are all right
>>79920249
>Most of scientific consensus is actually pretty solid
I agree.
>Global Warming is real
Of course. The first order effects are a simple thermodynamics problem. However the way it's presented to the public is entirely warped.
>Serious problems come from the softer sciences because their methodologies are so questionable
In these cases you have to do work and evaluate the experiment on a case by case basis.
There are also some things that the general culture of science makes those involved with it refuse to investigate or consider seriously. It's interesting sometimes to see the bias so clearly, and I must say is something I am grateful to have scientific training for.
>>79920558
>Most of the people around me DON'T have opinions
Are you not jacked into their facebook feeds or something? Of course those dumbfucks have opinions. They share them constantly. Opinions on the intersections of race, Brexit, Trump, Clinton's email scandal, Obama, obscure things they saw a documentary on - the list is fucking endless.
>I would much prefer people be taught to form their own opinions
I think that they are, to their own detriment. Teaching people to 'think for themselves' is kind of an arbitrary right-wing gambit in hopes that the individual will just reject the apparent weight of consensus, but one that isn't really necessary. We have better rhetoric for why people who are actually interested in developing nuanced worldviews should reject academic consensus in fields with high levels of uncertainty - generally a case that the enemy themselves make by alienating their geopolitical foe, the white man.
Telling people to form their own opinions is just a recipe for disaster. Look at your opinions - I more or less hate them. Your obsession with bullshit 'spirituality' which reeks of vague metaphysical nonsense to me, your eastern philosophy fetish, your weird primitivist fascination which obviously has a religious undercurrent, etc. It's all more or less completely stupid. You're not developing or contributing to anything, you're just participating in a mind-wank. I'd rather have you be a mindless drone promoting our cause because you think it's probably correct than trying to participate in some complex discourse by synthesizing a worldview from wholecloth. Basically, you need to get on narrative.
> I just think we can return to spiritual endeavor and growth while maintaining our material comforts.
I'd like to see the nation take the primary role in people's 'spiritual' lives, if that's what you mean, using 'spiritual' as a metaphor for the human desire to believe in something bigger than oneself and not mumbo jumbo.
>>79906775
>Animal Justice Party
Wow. Ausfags get you shit together man
>>79921076
>the way it's presented to the public is entirely warped.
The science is still good, but the politicization of the issue is problematic.
No sane, nationalist worldview would ever view any kind of economic response to anthropogenic global warming as legitimate. The solution either must come down the road or not at all. I'm even okay with subsidies for alternative energy, but nothing that would damage our economy. It's not our job to protect the world from environmental catastrophe, we can't reasonably shoulder that burden. Maybe my mind would change if I felt more invested in our future.
>There are also some things that the general culture of science makes those involved with it refuse to investigate or consider seriously. It's interesting sometimes to see the bias so clearly, and I must say is something I am grateful to have scientific training for.
This I more or less explained in my methodology for having a reasonable worldview. Basically, uncertainty is the primary variable, and methodologies that reduce uncertainty are the most reasonable. Highly certain methodologies can be inefficient, however. It's a balancing act. As for mathematics and physics, they're incredibly simple relative to the social sciences, hence our ability to codify them with formulae.
>>79921079
>Are you not jacked into their facebook feeds or something?
Well, generally speaking I try to avoid going on facebook as much as possible. I agree with moot that facebook degrades our humanity. Even then, I see far more people sharing random videos of videgames, cats, random nonsense bullshit that can't possibly cause any conflict or argument than actually putting themselves at risk of being wrong or having to know something.
>I more or less hate them
Yes, you are very close-minded. You are convinced of how correct you are and refuse to engage someone of differing opinions as if he were capable of thought. If it were up to you /pol/ would be merely an echo-chamber hivemind and we would all be the Borg under your command.
You would much prefer if some random person over the internet took your words as gospel rather than have a discourse with you. It underlies many of the faults with you and that you are extremely unhappy.
I've quite enjoyed this exchange, because someone having a drastically different worldview from mine does not anger me.
>>79921428
>I wonder which animal is behind this party
>>79906555
I don't think other countries understand how fed up Americans are that they are willing to elect trump.
>>79906644
why does everyone hate church's?
>>79906555
I'll care what Swedes think next time I want to become a third world nation.
>>79921558
>The science is still good,
Some of it, not all of it. All predictions have been far off the mark, and they present it as if they are certain about the temperature changes we should see and when. scientists are still humans capable of being caught in an echo chamber.
Moreover I think the general responses that we should take to it are entirely wrong.
When global warming was first proposed it had a positive connotation. Longer growing seasons and areas that are generally too cold for farming becoming viable. Furthermore plants grow at an accelerated rate with higher CO2 concentrations.
It's more complicated than that even, but the way we should be viewing it is in terms of geo-engineering. I say the context it should be discussed in is the Dust Bowl. Clearly aggregate human behavior can have massive consequences on climate. But local conditions still reign supreme in causing local environments.
If we wanted to we could change the Sahara into a rainforest. All it would take is the proper effort.
>>79911263
we have but everyone knows it's literally just shitty Popeyes, fuck out of here with that bullshit
>>79911321
as someone from Kentucky who lives fried chicken, it really shouldn't. churches should be above it, KFC has been trash for years now it's embarrassing
>>79906555
Most people here don't have the slightest idea what Trump is about
bloody Ameican election is still going on, it seems like they've been doing it forever
>actually it's just the party candidates they're deciding at the moment
what?
>they're choosing who will be running for president, it looks like it will be Trump vs Hillary
that Trumps a fucking idiot
>What? Why is he?
...he just is
>he's a better choice than Hillary
do you even know who Donald Trump is anon?
Actual conversation I had with a fucking white male a month ago, our media dosent like Trump and that's pretty much their entire exposure to him.
>>79908335
And you will once Hillary wins ;^)
>>79921850
>If it were up to you /pol/ would be merely an echo-chamber hivemind and we would all be the Borg under your command
Truthfully, if this were the case, I think our movement would be substantially more successful than it currently is. That being said, I only include myself as a reference in political analysis, which is obviously unavoidable. The notion that I'm constructing some me-supremacist worldview is completely asinine, but is a common critique of those who propose 'natural aristocracy', or something similar, basically technocratic elitism, which I think is more or less tenable, and I think populism is more or less not tenable. It's tempting to be a populist in this post-Brexit, post-Trump world, but I still think the reasons people supported Brexit and the reasons people support Trump are more or less incorrect, even if I agree with the conclusion. No, elitism is still correct. We need some kind of serious democratic restriction, both in society and culture.
>You would much prefer if some random person over the internet took your words as gospel
That'd save me a lot of trouble, sure.
>I've quite enjoyed this exchange, because someone having a drastically different worldview from mine does not anger me.
The idea that someone is completely incorrect doesn't 'anger' me per se - it does - but the degree of arousal is obviously scant. Obviously, people should have correct opinions but what else can we do but convince them of their folly?
>>79922585
>bloody Ameican election is still going on, it seems like they've been doing it forever
It hasn't even started
>>79922634
If she does then I'll get off of a plane in Sweden and become a bandit
>>79922815
Can't wait to have you here my lad.
>>79906555
I dont know about the other countries on that list, but you gotta keep in mind that Spain is full of illiterate faggots that cant tell the difference between right and left and end up voting candidates based on sympathy or looks because reading their political agendas takes way too much time. Spain doesnt know shit about itself, we shouldnt be having an opinion on affairs we cant even begin to grasp.
>>79922815
>I only read 2 lines of your post before replying
>>79922717
You said earlier you don't feel too invested in our future. Can you envision any remotely possible scenarios where you'd reveal your powerlevel in your academic environment and openly propagate your ideals, or even do it indirectly?
>>79922717
>technocratic elitism
I certainly see the merits of such a system. In fact I would probably be more inclined to agree with some of your points wholeheartedly even just a year ago.
The problem I see is that those technocrats are very likely to sell out all of those under them as soon as they gain power. What's to stop your technocrats from following the same path as today's globalists? At least with populism you give the lower classes a chance to reassert their own interests when those in charge (who invariably are simply those with the most sociopathic thirst for power) begin screwing them too badly.
A few years ago I was pretty negative on the notion of democracy. People were simply too dumb and ignorant for it, clearly. Even our founders saw this.
But recently I had an epiphany. If you or I consider ourselves to be so much better than those ignorant masses, then democracy is still a perfect system, because there should be nothing stopping us from proving said superiority and manipulating the masses to do the 'right' thing. Which I think is a place we agree.
>>79922891
Sweden
Yes
>>79906555
They're scared. Anything that happens in the US has some kind of effect (varying degrees) on other countries. To them, a Trump administration will hurt them.
And they should be afraid. Because I want Trump to hurt/destroy some of the countries listed there.
>>79923130
I'm not in an academic environment anymore - I gave up those aspirations as soon as I completed my undergrad course of study and realized that I more or less hated everything about the academic world. Not specifically my rejection of their ideology, which is obvious, but more or less my rejection of the desire to 'solve' puzzles that don't need solving. This, I consider philosophical wankery, which I've accused you of a couple times now. Basically, any type of philosophy, sociology, or any kind of investigation that isn't productive, or is only productive as an intellectual exercise, is extremely off-putting to me. I hate puzzles and video games. The majority of academic inquiry is completely nonsensical in this regard. It was more or less a complete waste of time to have pursued entry into an Ivy League in the first place, and the cost was absurd and staggering, which I'm still financially reeling from to this day. To this effect, I've involved myself in political activism, but that's more or less the limit of my 4channel explanation on the subject.
>>79923189
>In fact I would probably be more inclined to agree with some of your points wholeheartedly even just a year ago
I've been feeling gaslit by the populist uprising as well, but slight nuance helps to bring you back to reality. All of the original critiques of democracy are still valid. We know that the Brexit was a fucking farce - the people had no idea what they were voting for, or voted on arbitrary grounds. Great that it went well, but it doesn't change the fact that it still reflected the farcical nature of democracy.
>The problem I see is that those technocrats are very likely to sell out all of those under them as soon as they gain power. What's to stop your technocrats from following the same path as today's globalists?
The question has always been investing the elites in the long-term health of the nation.
>>79906555
>1 post by this id
guys come on now. sage.
>>79923562
>which I've accused you of a couple times now
I'm a different guy. What do you do now?
>>79923189
>>79923562
The hurdle is difficult, but it's not insurmountable. Remember, the aristocracy of a nation were invested in its long-term health. We need only to emulate this system, with some lessons hard learned from recent history, mind you. My ideal system is a bureaucratic aristocracy that is ascetic and stoic - they won't become aristocrats for the rewards (which will be non-existent, or scant), they will do so out of a love for nation.
>because there should be nothing stopping us from proving said superiority and manipulating the masses to do the 'right' thing. Which I think is a place we agree.
Ludwig Von Mises says every system is inherently democratic, because every state requires the tactic consent of its people. This is more or less true. I think that some degree of 'democracy' is unavoidable. My only interest is to divest the people from the direct process of governance, and divest their opinions from the process.
As for being intelligent and 'manipulating the masses', to put it bluntly, Jews are pretty intelligent, and did just that. I'm not too confident of our chances. I've met very few goyim at a verbal level that I think is adequate to directly deal with some of the extremely Jewish elements that besieged our nation, particularly the tradition of Western Marxism.
Plus, I don't think the masses are the perfect canvas onto which we can project our desires. They're vulnerable to various disingenuities and have various weaknesses, hence why the elites are so mad that Brexit actually happened. How did it happen, with them in charge? Basically, the masses are retarded.
>>79923801
Self-employed, make a living. Would like to do other things, and will at some point.
>>79906825
Why do you people like Popeyes?
It's literally nigger tier.
>>79921989
Oh
That's why you lost the great emu war.
>>79906555
based marios
>>79906555
Sweden's total lack of confidence in Trump should be all the evidence you need that he's the right candidate.
>>79924059
It's really Cajun cooking, which is part French. I like it better than KFC or Church's Chicken.
>>79923562
>but more or less my rejection of the desire to 'solve' puzzles that don't need solving
10
>>79923857
>My ideal system is a bureaucratic aristocracy that is ascetic and stoic - they won't become aristocrats for the rewards (which will be non-existent, or scant), they will do so out of a love for nation
You are a true Italian by blood, my man, I recognize it in all of your words and ideas. Don't despair
>>79923562
>I've been feeling gaslit by the populist uprising as well
No, my change in perspective has more to do with my personal growth than it does with what the world is doing. I know you seem to eschew anything of the sort, but I can tell you meditation is a very powerful and positive practice. If you don't like it for the spiritual reasons, remember the science on it is positive too. It changes your brain.
> Basically, the masses are retarded.
While I'm not going to disagree with you, I will say I give the masses a bit more credit. While it may have nothing to do with reason or intelligence, I think people have an animal instinct that lets them sense some things. If nothing else, this is what they voted on. Such things can be fooled, but even the Jews often forget the instinct is always there.
>>79906555
>Sweden
>Spain
>Canada
>Italy
>India
>Relevant to American Politics
>China not supporting an American politician
In other news, the Pope is still Catholic
>France, Germany, United Kingdom, Japan
>tfw Trump wants to decrease NATO involvement and force allies to pay their fair share
>>79924471
>In other news, the Pope is still Catholic
Hardly
>tfw 6%
Also, I call bs
>>79924431
This kills the Anglo presenting Italian-American.
>>79924457
I have a personal disdain for meditation for various autistic reasons, yes. I feel that you and I are getting to know each other quite well.
>I think people have an animal instinct that lets them sense some things. If nothing else, this is what they voted on.
I get it - this argument. It has some kernel of truth, somewhere. Else, from where comes political disagreement? There must be some source of implicit identity, to use Spencer's favorite word. But it also seems an inadequate explanation. Is it implicit identity? Maybe identity is so strong that it bleeds through. I'd be willing to grant that, but I still think other factors are at play that complicate the utility of populism as a force for good. It is also a force for horrendous evil. If you're getting gaslit by populist successes - which I think you are - imagine if European immigration weren't Muslim, but Chinese. "But they're so nice! They don't kill anyone! They're so smart!" In a way, we're lucky it's the most problematic identity in the history of mankind. And, yet still, look to the populist takeover of Greece. That's Communism, friendo. The far-left taps into discontent, too, and fairly effectively.
>>79907302
>Australia 3rd
feel bad man
>>79924615
He's a 100% cuck, so yeah, he's a catholic.
>>79906555
No russia? :(
>>79924733
>I have a personal disdain for meditation for various autistic reasons, yes
I would be interested in hearing them, to be honest. I have spent the last year and a half meditating nearly every day, sometimes up to 2-3 hours in a day. My life, and my outlook, have both improved drastically as a result.
>Good vs Evil
Here is where discussion breaks down. As a Taoist I don't think in such dualitiies.
But even so, the easy way to see if I'm being gaslit is if Hillary wins and I still believe what I do.
>>79925159
>As a Taoist
I'm putting you straight into the oven.
>I would be interested in hearing them,
I'm against all forms of self-gaslighting.
This idea of enshrining and ritualizing the act of simply leaving onself to one's thoughts is extremely off-putting to me. In this way, what should (or could) be seen as a simple act of cleansing oneself through routine and marked separation from modernity is perverted. The spiritualization/ritualization component of the act undermines the fact that 'meditation' could be really, and should really be, just a synonym for a total disconnect from the modern world. You know, like you do when you take a shower. I do some of my best thinking in the shower, because it's a complete mind blank. But this isn't meditation, and needn't be formalized as such. It's just an unplugging, which is of variable importance, and undermined, partly, by intentionality.
Also, the stoic elements of meditation trigger me. Respite shouldn't be trained or forced, it should be taken as is. If discipline somehow enhances your life because you have it in no other area - fine. Take your discipline where you can get it (you really should do some kind of physical exercise, preferably strength training). But to codify it with spirituality (which I detest, quite jewishly), and pervert the sublimation of oneself into nature is just perverse. There are better ways to revolt against the modern world. For starters, disconnect your internet and read a book. That's a cool trick - I know it's hard. Or go camping - something rustic. All fun things. Sitting around, forcing yourself to do some weird meditation ritual with some vague spiritual, physiological/parasympathetic elements (yes, controlling your breathing feedbacks into mood, etc.) just triggers me. Being angry is my meditation.
>>79906555
As if your third world opinions matter hahahahahaah
>>79906555
Daily reminder that all polls online are made up. Completely bullshitted, or at least, only advertised to X group of people to begin with.
>Israel
>100% confident
oy vey shut it down
>>79906644
Makes you think.... I'm #..etc
Why the fuck Boston market isn't at the top?
>>79925709
>you really should do some kind of physical exercise, preferably strength training
I do quite a bit. Martial arts, yoga, as well as lifting weights. Meditation achieves something none of these do.
It's more than leaving me alone to my thoughts, it's training my mind so I have better control over my own thought patterns. It helps generate insights I don't feel I could otherwise achieve, because I can quiet my mind of all the useless distractions that are often cluttering the highest conscious levels.
Furthermore I don't see why sublimating yourself to nature is so perverse. In fact you aren't sublimating yourself to nature as the truth of the matter is that you are a seemless part of the universe, all the separations are merely in your mind. Meditation just allows you to realize and be aware of this truth.
>>79926373
You seem like a bit of an oddball desu senpai.
>>79926485
I somewhat am, but people seem to like me.
I would much rather be an oddball and be myself, than sacrifice my individuality and become a mundane average person.
All the greatest people in history were oddballs.
>>79926764
Man, you are one self-absorbed motherfucker
>>79926927
What makes you say that?
>>79926927
>>79927019
You know, I've spent an inordinate time around jews in my life, and *those* are absurdly, comically self-absorbed people. I've found that my opinions and personality are more or less irrelevant in their company, and I exist only to nod my head in quiet affirmation. Anon isn't so bad.
We're all friends here.
>>79927190
I think it's time I sleep for tonight.
Thank you for the stimulating discussion. Was one of the better ones I've had on this cesspit of the internet.
Have a good night, anon.
>>79927376
Of course.
>>79927190
>>79927376
Your conversation wasn't a waste, made for interesting reading. You don't usually see good dialogues between people that are strongly opposed while still being on essentially the same side.
To the light-blue guy, you come off a little self absorbed because a lot of your subject matter late into the conversation went to your own personal development which may or may not be useful to you but unproven and suspect to everyone else (on 4chan and IRL) unlike the more interesting Might is Right and sociological stuff you were defending earlier
>>79927764
You're not kidding. Usually this board is retarded.
>>79906644
Raising cane's is far and away the best on that list
>>79907402
Fucking thank you, someone gets it.
