>Only 9% of Donald Trump's statements are true
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html
Where is your God now, /pol/?
Well, virtually everything that he says about trade is blatantly false. I only want him to win because he pisses off the right people. That and build that fucking wall, other than that I couldn't give a shit.
>>79882221
>politifact is the source
rofl
>>79882221
> 91% of his statements are false
> statements
> "I think America needs more tendies" FALSE
>>79882221
Fuck off shill.
>politifact
That's very high for a politician, normally they're incapable of telling the truth.
>>79882221
WTF?! I hate Trump now!!
>>79882925
Don't like facts, faggot? Of course not; you're a Trumpet, after all.
>Leugenpresse calling others liars
>>79883123
I'm #MentallyHill now
>>79883159
>t. I suck pedo cock
>t. I want world war three to happen
>t. I'm completely retarded
>t. George Soros did nothing wrong
>t. White people need to die
Politifact says Donald Trump lied about calling the Great Wall of China 13,000 miles.
>>79882221
>his statements are false according to some man-made and maintained website
kys
>>79882221
According to that site, Hillary speaks the truth at least 70% of the time.
>>79886398
Jesus fucking christ, they are justifying blacks killing whites now? what a fucking joke
>>79883037
Can you actually point to a specific example where PolitiFact was inaccurate? You can certainly argue they're pedantic, but they mostly address statisticas or government policy; it's not like they're giving Trump a rating for "we should stop immigration", they're calling bullshit when he says shit like "lol, muslims cheered on 9/11"
>>79886398
This is so clearly fake I'm not sure I even need to point it out, but here's the actual point regardless
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/
>>79887061
Are you getting paid well?
>>79882221
Anyone can fabricate statistics anon, at least 75% of people know that
>>79887402
Not an argument.
>>79887061
>>79887323
>>79887612
Where the fuck is the zyklon when you need it?
>>79886640
How dense are you? Obviously it'a an edited pic. Whites kill well over 80% of white homicide victims, hence the "Pants on fire" rating.
Remember when Trump was on stage arguing with DOCTOR Ben Carson that immunizations cause autism?
Shit was so cash.
I can't wait till the debates, to watch Trump argue with a lawyer and former elected official about law and government.
>>79887612
Not an answer.
>>79882221
>>Only 9% of Donald Trump's statements are true According to liberals.
Where is your god now OP
You'd get 100% on this by prefacing everything with "I'm telling you..."
>>79887061
There are websites dedicated to pointing out politifacts implicit bias. It's not their fault really. It's just that everyone is naturally biased. It's relatively well documented at this point.
There are more than a few instances of politifact contradicting itself.
>>79887776
Again, not an argument. When confronted with accusations your reasoning is bullshit, you're responding with edgy nazi memes and accusations of shilling, because your reasoning doesn't hold up on its own.
>>79888028
No, I'm surviving off of hot pockets :^)
What was their methodology in determining that? How did they clarify his vaguer statements? Do they follow up with him?
Do they count his shitposts on /pol/ as well? Or only when he's campaigning?
How can opinions and solutions be true or false?
>>79888137
Can your provide evidence that Poilitfact is unbiased or should we just take your word for it lmao.
>>79888000
Remember when Bill Clinton took 26 trips on the lolita expess?
Remember when the clinton foundation took massive amounts of money from middle eastern countries?
Remember [insert treasonous/highly illegal act] was committed by the Clintons and people connected to them?
>>79888137
>you're responding with edgy nazi memes and accusations of shilling, because your reasoning doesn't hold up on its own.
You realize how many retards like you /pol/ puts up with on a daily basis?
For god's sake, there's always at least 10 threads up about communism and why it works even though omnivorous species are literally incompatible with communist ideology.
Politifact is owned by someone close to bernie, therefore meaning no judgement it makes is unbiased.
Someone debunked all their statements on here a few months ago, wish I had saved it. Hopefully someone will have it
>>79888119
>>79888293
You're asking me to prove that none of their claims are incorrect, which is of course the wrong way to go about things. We're asking whether they systemically misrepresent facts.
Surely you could name one of these websites or point out a single example. Of course everyone has bias, I'm asking whether they systemically misrepresent the facts; that's the real concern here, right? It's impossible to avoid any bias, but if you want to do that you'd need to avoid every single mainstream publication there is.
>>79888246
Again, they don't rate opinions or solutions, just statements, e.g. "this percentage of blacks kills whites".
>>79888389
Yes, I realize I'm going nowhere. But sometimes it's fun to shout into the darkness, even if it means little. PolitiFact has not promoted democratic socialism, last time I checked. It's funny to see everyone get so up in arms about the narrative "msm are lyeeeingggg!!!" being questioned.
>>79882221
Obligatory
>>79888668
they think it's possible to change your sex and fault people for believing otherwise
>>79888668
http://www.politifactbias.com/
There ya go, buddy. It's more concise documentation of politifact errors than I could ever put together. Take it for what you will. I'm not even a Trump supporter, but believing politifact information at face value is erroneous at best.
>>79888668
One misrepresentation is enough to cast doubt on their impartiality.
Case dismissed.
>>79888137
You're missing the point, no one wants to argue with you more than they want to argue with a dog. That's why they don't care to provide arguments. You're a mix of stubborn, prejudiced, naive, stupid etc therefore impossible to speak with seriously.
Not to mention the maximum irony of your comments, you speak about things holding up on their own yet your accusations are made out of thin air. Similar to 'mom I read on flat earth society dot com that the earth is flat'.
Also, as much as I approve hot pockets, you need some more vitamins in your diet before your brain degrades to spouting even more bullshit.
>>79882866
Given how fat our country is, I'd say we could do with fewer tendies
>>79888668
Association with an active political figure means that there is a conflict of interest and they cannot be considered unbiased. This is a fundamentally, and relatively simple reason why they should not be trusted.
Furthermore, considering the financial web between the media, and individuals of a similar ilk to the absolutely wonderful George Soros, is relatively well known and publicly available information, and given that media blackouts have occurred following events that would normally receive significant amounts of attention, it is fairly obvious that the media is being directly controlled or influenced.
Not to the level that it is in countries such as sweden, where news articles are literally blocked at the ISP level, but still to a point where regardless of political affiliation it is a worrying trend.
>>79889083
Again, that's kind of my point; I know I'm not really going to change anyone's mind. But it's fun, if only for a while, to pretend that someone inside their echo chamber is listening.
>>79889039
Note "systemic". Everyone makes errors; it's whether it's intentional that's the problem.
>>79889011
Will respond to this in a second.
>>79889208
I will give you I'm not terribly familiar with PolitiFact's ownership, editiorial board. What conflict of interest do you believe exists?
>>79887402
>>79882925
>>79883037
>>79887776
>confronted with statistics and facts
>fuck off shill how much are you getting paid Goldberg?
Fukin lel
>>79889363
I forget who, but I believe that politifact is owned by an individual close to Bernie Sanders.
I believe that it is a family member.
>>79889485
Alternatively go into 4plebs and search up our thoughts on it ourselves instead of reposting it faggot
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/politifact/
>>79889363
Fuck Politifact in her fat corrupt arse. When they publish retractions i might take them seriously.
>>79889375
Why are you here if you hate reactionary politics? time to go find another board instead of behaving like a shill.
Note that I'm not arguing "POLITIFACT IS TOTALLY UNBIASED"; I'm just questioning the narrative that their judgments are secretly being informed by some Soros-funded conspiracy. I dislike the use of "94% of Candidate X claims are false", because it's not a good way to quantify stuff. I just don't think that's a reason to say PolitiFact is anti-Trump or the librul media.
>>79889683
I'm bored. That's why everyone's here, in a sense. Disrupting echo chambers is mildly amusing.
>>79882221
>Politicususa
>Citing a openly biased leftists site
Really?
>>79889696
>the narrative that their judgments are secretly being informed by some Soros-funded conspiracy.
Why not ask the clinton foundation general whether or not that's true?
All the information that they're digging up is publicly available and from officiated sources.
:^)
>>79889535
Alright. If you can follow up on this, I'll address it, but note that we're talking about financial conflict of interest, or obvious conflict in terms of relationship. If he's just distantly related or once worked for someone vaguely related, I'm not even going to bother.
>>79889818
/pol/ must have one big echo then to have presidential candidates repeating our memes.
protip; this is not a echo chamber it is a gladiator ring.
>Politifact
>>79889910
Yes, Soros funds Clinton. Where does that give you the idea that Soros is informing PolitiFact's judgment?
>>79889989
The fact that Trump repeats you does not make you an echo chamber. It just means we live in a polarized climate, and you've chosen one candidate's extreme.
try using a credible source
(((Politifact)))
>>79889363
We finally found something we agree on. I, also, am pretending that someone inside your echo chamber is listening and might prompt you to reevaluate your way of thinking.
But then again when you're used to everyone being pretentiously nice and never calling you a retard when you're being one... It's almost impossible to learn one day that you just MIGHT be wrong.
Sleep on that.
>letting people who think its okay for men who wear panties and have their genitals mauled in pursuit of a mental illness determine what is or is not true
TOPPEST OF FUCKING KEKs
It is a VITAL pillar of leftwing ideology to ignore, redefine or condemn facts.
>>79887061
Mateen the Peen Machine was reported by classmates to have cheered on 9/11.
>>79889818
Have you been to a single religion thread? I don't know anywhere else that you experience as diverse a set of opinions from all over the world like you can on /pol/. /pol/ is hardly an echo chamber. It's more like an incomprehensible mess of satirical extremism, actual extremism, contrarian ideologies, and occasionally gardening.
>>79890150
The only vaguely reasonable claim here is the one about Bernie vs. Trump stats, and that has to do with the degree to which they're misrepresented (~30% vs. 10%)
>>79890234
PolitiFact should not be used to say "lol candidate is a liar", but they generally just look up statistics or policy to argue someone's wrong. They also don't make judgments on policy.
>>79890326
I'm still looking for an argument. I don't necessarily think everyone here can't make a good point, just that they're necessarily informed by the "msm is suppressing the narrative!!!" shit that permeates through these spheres. It prevents any discourse if you won't except a single source (like conspiracy theorists and pundits so unfortunately tend to).
>>79890464
I'm not sure you can really argue it's a pillar of left-wing ideology. Certainly that left-wingers promote untruths (that I might agree with, even), or that their reasoning is faulty or undebatable, but nobody literally says "hey guys let's just lie to everybody"
>>79887061
When trump quoted black crime statistics they gave him a pants on fire for ignoring context despite admitting the numbers were accurate
>>79890747
That's the problem; an echo chamber can be diverse, it just has to agree on the same set of core issues. Fox News has libertarian and hardcore conservative commenters, but they still agree on a core ideology; liberalism is bad, it's never even close to right, and free markets solve things most of the time.
>>79890899
I just addressed that above. The screenshot is fake. I linked to the real one above.
>>79890795
enjoy
http://www.politifactbias.com/
>>79890795
The difference between Trump and Bernie's stats is <10%.
The majority of refugees ARE men, it's an objective fact backed up by the UN that Politifact is ignoring since it goes against the pro-refugee narrative.
When Hillary makes up data they give her "half true."
Europe=/=America, indisputable.
>>79890303
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>>79890303
You're not interested in reality or the truth, you just want to be a little contrarian cunt here on 4chan. Politifact is the echo chamber.
>>79890795
Not sure how many times I need to say this. I do not care enough to provide arguments for you, there's others who may hopefully give a shit about enlightening you. I'm not here to argue about how biased the retarded politics page you follow is.
>>79889683
>why are you here if you don't like reactionary politics
Why would I go to a place where everyone agrees with me for debate
>>79889989
>>79891264
Reasonable criticism of PolitiFact's judgments is in order, and I would say I agree with the claim that it should not really be used to tell how "right" a candidate is. They obviously list a laundry list of claims, which I can't all address here; but looking at the second one it seems they say "well the data isn't current, so we don't know". Not the most convincing reasoning.
>>79891441
I'm not saying "hey let's all not question politifact", just asking people to consider the fact it's not the librul devil. I've enumerated this multiple times. And yet, something is disrupting it... maybe those echoes throughout the chamber, perhaps?
>>79891309
>>79888924
>>79889485
This isn't even false equivalence. The statements aren't even the same. How is "thousands of people get shot in Vegas" equal to "Thousands of people cheered on 9/11"?
This just confirms my theory that disliking what /pol/ likes means you're wrong
>>79891309
Difference of misrepresentation, not difference between. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
>>79891498
Eh, what's the point? No one on here wants to engage in good faith debate. Everyone's just attacking the source instead of engaging with the substantive argument.
>>79891498
Because when a retard gets constantly stomped in real life, he doesn't want debate. He wants to find a place with peers to suck each others' cocks about how right and smart they are, then find another place where people disagree and laugh at them because now he doesn't feel alone anymore.
I won't quote Umberto Eco.
I should note it's important much more to discuss whether PolitiFact's bias is systemic, though specific instances are welcome.
>>79891957
You live in an odd world where the average man is seeking to humiliate himself on his days off. Perhaps it reflects ours in some way, but I may say I doubt your copy of "The Name of the Rose" has ever been fully read.
>>79891703
Maybe. Or maybe it's your initial air of smugness that got those chambers all windy and stuff.
>>79891863
A substantive argument for why they support Trump? Because he appeals to their tribal loyalties is why they support him i would think that was obvious.
>>79888924
>the civil war wasn't about slavery
>pants on fire
Jesus Christ these people
>>79892260
And you live in a world where mothers murder their children and people shoot each other on a daily basis, I'm not sure you're in a position to talk about behavioral humiliation, lmao.
>>79882221
Only 0% of what Hillary Rockefeller Clinton says is true.
>>79892299
No, the argument is essentially 'Trump lies a lot', and the response has been 'politifact is bullshit'. No engagement whatsoever with the specific examples of Trump lying.
84% of statistics come straight from someone's ass
>>79893231
Not an argument.
>>79892517
It's weird to talk about the world we live in some times. I'm mostly referring to the influence on our daily lives, not the broader culture we participate in, those those certainly intersect. For instance, though I live in Northeast, I've never really taken part in a lot of the cultural rituals associated with it, e.g. sailing, the like. I live most of my life on the Web and among twenty somethings, which reflect the U.S. but diverge from it in some respects.
>>79892786
There's a little more to it than that, though I would agree that PolitiFact should not really be used to make such quantitative judgments. The much more interesting conversation is whether it is compromised by political or financial motivations.
I'm not really in the mood to stage a PolitiFact jihad, so I'll say nothing further. But by all means, indict PolitiFact; just do it by considering what actually affects their judgments, and whether they overstep their roles. I've not seen much of that yet.
>>79891053
Look at the thread you're in. You've got Portugal, the UK, the Netherlands, Greece, Australia, New Zealand, Finland, America, Singapore, Sweden, and Japan. And you. And you aren't unique. You're one of thousands of people that visits this site everyday. And you've already decided that it's an echo chamber. And yet here are all these anonymous people talking to you. How many of them are just repeating the same opinion?
Go to any thread and you'll see torrents of shit posts, and memes, and complete nonsense. /pol/ never actually reads the article by the way. But if you stick around long enough and you'll end up arguing with some guy in Brazil about Christian Absurdism at 3 am.
If this is an echo chamber it's producing the most argumentative, and downright antagonistic echo I've ever heard.
>>79887061
Easy. A few years back their "Lie of The Year" was Mitt Romney saying Jeep was going to move their production factories to China. It turned out to be completely true and Politifact was even forced to put out a statement about it. Look it up
>>79889011
>An important caveat: There are several holes in the reporting of hate crimes to the FBI. Local law enforcement agencies voluntarily report their data to a state agency that compiles the information for the FBI. Some local agencies report no hate crimes or don’t submit a report.
>A study by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics found that 60 percent of violent hate crime victimizations were not reported to police in 2012.
>A 2016 Associated Press investigation found that more than 2,700 city police and county sheriff's departments have not submitted a single hate crime report to the FBI during the past six years — about 17 percent of all city and county law enforcement agencies nationwide.
Lmfao. Holy fucking shit this site is complete and utter shill fuckery. So based on the actual evidence at hand, politifact is right. These retards actually said "well that's only the reported stuff doe."
LMFAO
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/pol/ outdoes itself once again.
>>79887061
Why are you even on here? Do you have any idea where you're at?
>>79887061
Politifact has repeatedly been shown to be very left leaning.
>>79882221
Given that we live in the postmodern age of sophistry and solopsism, I don't know how anything can be true or false unless you want to portray it as such.
>>79893337
And I live in Finland, but it's lovely how you assumed you knew the world I live in.
It speaks volumes about your argumentation style, smooch.
>>79893831
That's why I said the world we live in is complex; I know to some extent you agree with /pol/'s cultural norms (the "world" I'm talking about), but that's obvious. I never said I knew your life, merely that you live in a world where the claim you made seems clear. Nothing more, nothing less. Your "last word"-style responses are kind of tiring, but that doesn't speak much to me. I should also note that I don't even really know you're in Finland (obscure proxies), but I don't think /pol/ is in the mood for discussing the extent of assumptions and knowledge. Can you actually address something I've said rather than how offended you are at my particular way of claiming it?
>>79893533
What are you saying? that's what the site does. It's pointing out that they gave her a true rating despite her actual claim being false based on the data they used. Her statement is only true if she adds 'per capita' to the end of her sentence.
>>79893546
>>79893560
>>79893831
This is the "world" you live in. I'm not talking about Finland, your house, your neighborhood, or even the European sphere of influence. It's one where certain things are very clear and relatively accepted. There are debates on many issues, but few dare touch the third rail. To some extent (especially with the advent of the internet) you choose the world you live in; it's no longer as geographically-bound as it may have once been. This is what I'm talking about when I mention the echo chamber. There are a thousand echoes of Trump telling the bodyguards to "get 'em out of here", a repeat of the accepted claim with no additional value, and a couple of people bickering over argumentation style. However diverse you are, it's only to a point, and a very sharp point it is.
>>79894224
If you want me to stop replying, you can just say it. I honestly feel nothing when you try to subtly insult me ('kind of tiring'? lmao). It's just that my grandma said I should answer to peoples, no matter how obnoxiously retarded they are.
Or perhaps you're full speed projecting, it's almost obvious you may lose sleep if you don't get the last word.
It's called vacations, btw. Something people do when they don't live most of their life on the Web. lmao
>>79894729
What? He greentexted a few things, called utter shill fuckery (you don't need to know why), thus proving somehow that politifact is right (he does get paid well afterall) and laughed.
Valid arguments.
>>79894888
I'm mainly asking you to address the argument instead of the way it's argued. More comments on style: "projection", etc., which is really not a way to get the ball rolling. By all means, insult me, just at least couch it in some criticism of the points I've made. For instance, instead of arguing I have no life, you could argue that I've overlooked the connection PolitiFact's editorial board has to candidate X, and that I must clearly be being paid to do this by my father in the service industry in exchange for gay blowjobs. That would be annoying, but at least useful.
>>79895318
Again, more claims of shilling, not addressing it.
He greentexted important caveats in claiming that Trump is correct, though I concede it does not "prove" PolitiFact is always correct; nobody's arguing that in the first place.
>>79887061
one of the many examples :^)
>>79887061
I wouldn't say they're always inaccurate, but they pick and choose which statements to cover and can ignore whatever statements they want, and are more gracious to to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/
If something like this was said by a republican then it would've been pants on fire easily.
>>79895772
Literally read what you just posted. Are you going to unquestioningly accept a study from a "libertarian think tank"? If you disagree with the rating, perhaps you could propose they institute a new "based on a report from a think tank" rating.
>>79895903
Yeah, the decision between "Pants on Fire" and "False" is iffy and largely has to do with coverage. I do agree there is bias, and you shouldn't accept it unquestioningly. They did correctly rate the statement, though, in their credit. Talk more about the systemic bias in terms of Democrat vs. Republican, though, I think it's a useful angle to down down.
>>79895501
I do not address arguments with people I cannot punch or get punched back and your mom's basement provides excellent protection.
> You could argue that I've overlooked the connection bla bla
Perhaps I could, but then again we can't hug it out in the end. So no point.
>>79896269
Again, weird. I mean, you're free to do whatever you want, it's just that I'm not sure what the point of responding so many times was for if you didn't want to address my point. I get it's fun to go after people, but it just points to a lack of good-faith argumentation. I want to argue, talk with people I disagree with, because I might be wrong! It's more effort than it's worth, some of the time, but I'll try anyway. Your insinuation I'm advocating a hugbox is a great way to remove all nuance from an already polarized conversation.
>>79896269
Also, being an "internet tough guy" does not give you as much validity as you seem to think.
>>79896559
> I want to argue, talk with people I disagree with
There's all kinds of nice /pol/acks to do that with.
I'm just not one of them. Why do you keep pushing -me- specifically to argue with you? Can't you just accept that I chose not to? Do I turn you on that much? It happens often, don't worry.
>>79896559
> I'm not sure what the point of responding so many times was
Apparently the concept of 'fun' is lost in you, so I'll just end it here (go go last word is yours).
>>79887061
politifact reported that whites commit more crimes than blacks, but refuse to use the "per capita" system
thus he was given a "fiery pants" rating on his statement
>>79898159
They addressed a Trump post which posited certain statistics, not the claim that per capita, blacks account for more crime than whites. The nuance is important, though it's easy to overlook.
Do you know how retarded somebody would sound if they lied 91% of the time?
