To what extent is ISIS a genuine political movement, rather than just a religious fanatic organization?
ISIS is actually following a pretty standard interpretation of the Quran.
This filthy apostate might watch his mouth before they come for his head too.
>>79851775
>>79851906
never forget the almighty graph when normies start to shill
>>79851775
to the extent that it's funded by US, Israeli, and Saudi interests to destabilize political opponents
Read this and be enlightened
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Also a redpill was the jihadi response to the article. All these dudes saying "you were right but westerners don't want to believe lol inshallah"
>>79851775
Shia vs Sunni
Islam found a way to even be violent against itself
>>79851775
ISIS represents Islam.
>>79851996
This. Even if ISIS doesn't represent Islam, hundreds of millions of Muslims hold savage, subhuman beliefs that are the complete antithesis of core Western beliefs.
This debate on if ISIS is political or religious is a dead end because its both.
It's an Islamist group, a merger of Islam and the state. There is no secular authority. The caliph serves as chief religious and political authority and administrates the state through a literal interpretation of the Quran.
People join both because their current political sucks and because they agree with its theology.
Of course the only reason it still exists and has not been crushed by the west yet is to destabilize Syria.
they are the project mayhem of islam
>>79852307
ding ding ding
>>79851775
>second holiest
So is there like, a competition to decide? Does allah say which one? Is there a third holiest city?
>>79851775
>Mao just killed 60 million Chinese people in China, during the Cultural Revolution.
>Dont ever say that Mao represents the Chinese people.
>>79852962
3rd is the dome of the rock in Israel
Islam is one of those religions where you proclaim a holy spot on top of the Holy site of your enemies after you kill them and convert/rape their wives and children.
>>79853300
Dat +6 faith per turn tho
>>79851996
I'm afraid this is a heavily skewed sample, mate. They didn't even survey any western Muslims. Check the source.
>>79854284
lol
>>79854780
>16 million western Muslims is enough to skew a population of 1.6 billion
wew
>>79851775
ISIS is more Muslim then the hypocrite muzzies they kill.
We should also note, that all muzzies have a chance to go hardcore. When they believe the shit they read.
>>79855227
Given you meet somebody who is Muslim in America, the data you cited will not apply. Simple as that.
You can get similarly shit results if you take a survey of "all humans".
>>79851775
ISLAMIC STATE
ISLAMIC
ISLAM
they just follow the koran
>>79851775
ISIS represents Islam
>>79855718
It does apply to Muslims from outside the US that want to come here like the so called """"refugees"""".
Trumps ban when?
>>79851775
>ISIS just
ISIS didn't claim responsibility though
ISIS represents Islam.
ISIS is the true representation of islam. It is a holy thing to kill heretics during ramadan, esspecially if they are occupying mecca
>>79855718
the data is usually cited to justify Trump's Muslim ban and support the claim that ISIS is Islamic
It does not apply to secular western Muslims which is why there is separate polling data that determined two thirds of Muslims in America are fully assimilated Americans that happen to be Muslim.
>>79851775
ISLAM is a political movement, son.
And you best get to understanding that.
>>79855718
Half of British muslims want gays to be executed.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey
How the fuck can a city be "in" islam. Its a religion not a fucking place
>>79851775
This is such a strawman no one is saying this they are saying Islam in general as a whole is fucking backwards.
>>79851906
Stop lying, fucktard.
ISIS is almost exclusively based on Hadiths.
It would be like blaming the Pope for a group of Christian terrorists that base their actions on fucking Gospels.
Reminder that to this day ISIS have only fought battles against muslims.
>>79856803
Ah right!
Kill all sunni muslims for they are the problem
We gotta have the right sect of islam to kill
>>79856803
>pope and christian terrorists
Except that this doesn't happen
ISIS is to Pisslam what the 1st Armored Division is to the US Army...just another unit belonging to the same entity.
>>79851775
What a stupid question, op. Islamic State? They are a governing body with courts, administration, bureaucratic hierarchy, code of laws, military and territory.
Pleb
>>79856803
t. Luigi Al-Pastalabibi
>>79851775
Their interpretation of the quran is actually literal
Therefore they are somehow not muslims
>>79851775
>to what extent is ISIS the CIA and MI6?
>100%
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>>79856803
>ISIS is almost exclusively based on Hadiths.
IGNORANT FAGGOT
Islam = Koran + certified Hadiths
read before you post
>>79854780
>Implying Western Muslims are real Muslims.
Nah.
>>79857038
Yet it happens with ISIS even if they're disregarding most of the Quran.
As I said Hadiths are as muslim as Gospels are christian.
>>79857334
I'm not muslim but I'm fairly educated on monotheistic religions.
>>79851775
ISIS is just a part of islam but the fact that it is directly tied to the religion can not be ignored.
There's no such thing as "real" islam since it is a self identifying ideology. If someone claims to be islamic then they are.
ISIS does represent islam just like every other islamic sect does and until they start self identifying and segregating themselves we can not just fight ISIS, we have to fight islam.
>>79856803
Terminology: admissible and inadmissible hadiths[edit]
Main article: Hadith terminology
By means of hadith terminology, hadith are categorized as ṣaḥīḥ (sound, authentic), ḍaʿīf (weak), or mawḍūʿ (fabricated). Other classifications used also include: ḥasan (good), which refers to an otherwise ṣaḥīḥ report suffering from minor deficiency, or a weak report strengthened due to numerous other corroborating reports; and munkar (denounced) which is a report that is rejected due to the presence of an unreliable transmitter contradicting another more reliable narrator.[37] Both sahīh and hasan reports are considered acceptable for usage in Islamic legal discourse. Classifications of hadith may also be based upon the scale of transmission. Reports that pass through many reliable transmitters at each point in the isnad up until their collection and transcription are known as mutawātir. These reports are considered the most authoritative as they pass through so many different routes that collusion between all of the transmitters becomes an impossibility. Reports not meeting this standard are known as aahad, and are of several different types.[15]
Some hadith are also called hadith qudsi (sacred hadith), like Ziyarat Ashura[citation needed]. It is a sub-category of hadith which some Muslims regard as the words of God (Arabic: Allah). According to as-Sayyid ash-Sharif al-Jurjani, the hadith qudsi differ from the Quran in that the former are "expressed in Muhammad's words", whereas the latter are the "direct words of God". However, note that a hadith qudsi is not necessarily sahih, it can also da‘if or even mawdu‘.[38]
>>79851775
I like ISIS more and more every day
>bombs christ cucks and moderate muslim cucks all the same
>wants to destroy degeneracy and feminism
>burn numales and behead liberals
Why /pol/ hasn't joined ISIS yet?
>>79851775
ISIS is genuine Islam. The real thing. How are you not shill if you do not see this?
>>79857650
Which parts are they disregarding?
>>79857447
This post is literally meaningless. My point is that they're disregarding most of the material while justifying every terrible thing they do with virtually useless unreliable Hadiths.
And no, there's nothing official about Hadiths, so you can just pick the ones you like and do whatever the fuck you want, even if it goes against most of Quran, according to ISIS.
You guys are so full of shit, you talk all day long about muslims and yet you've never fucking researched anything.
>>79851775
But it's LITERALLY in their name.
Otherwise you're referring to a qt egyptian goddess that's been dead for at least 3-4 millennia.
Islam is a political and religious fanatic organization.
>>79857389
Underrated.
>>79851775
How are they not a political movement while they function as a state?
>>79851775
ISIS represents Islam.
>>79857690
Imagine a gathering of polacks gathering to join ISIS unit. I'd wager they'd put about half of us in their IDF leading to dank memes and more recruits arriving than ever before and the other half would go rampage as combat units that would actually not be utter shit, establishing white only villages.
> To what extent is ISIS a genuine political movement, rather than just a religious fanatic organization?
about |-----| that much.
>>79856803
Terrorists based on Gospels? Have you read the Gospels? Impossible to mix Gospels and terrorist unless working for Satan. Satan?
>>79852307
The problem is, Saudi Arabia is extremely sunni. And ISIS is alsoba sunni movement.
>>79851775
Islam is a religion stuck on the middle age, you can see this talking with any "moderate" muslime.
Only people that defend religion of peace, never has been near a muslime for more than ten minutes to take some photo for their kikebook or shitter.
>>79855259
>Defiled the holy well
>Destroyed the Cube
>Took the Black Stone
Is this a fantasy novel?
>>79857923
>And no, there's nothing official about Hadiths, so you can just pick the ones you like and do whatever the fuck you want, even if it goes against most of Quran, according to ISIS.
read the book I pic_related.
When major historical scholars agree on a Hadith, you can't reject it, it's solid proof.
It's then written in Islamic teachings that "All scholars agree that ..."
IT;S YOU WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
That stuff about "there are many schools" is bullshit fed to stupid kafir like you to fool them so that they do not research it.
THERE IS A CORE BELIEF of Islam, that can not be removed or reformed.
People who say ISIS is Islamic: Men with degrees in Islamic study
People who say ISIS is not Islamic: Redditors
At the risk of falling for the college meme, I think the guy with a degree in the subject knows more about said subject than the guy without one.
>Different sects of Islam don't exist
>>79851775
Implying muslims don't hate other religious muslim sects like the sunnis and shias or whatever the fuck their name is.
Not remembering the feud between catholics and protestants that almost ended up with Guy Fawkes blowing up the houses of parliament in a terrorist attack
Propagandist horse shit
>>79856691
How the fuck can Harrison Ford be "in" Star Wars? Its a movie not a fucking place
>>79851775
Read Stephen Coughlin's Catastrophic Failure.
ISIS is not fanatic at all, they are squately in line with the Ikhwan, with which they are in conversation, not in an irganizational sense but in terms of Islamic political plannjng, in other words, as a movement.
>>79851775
Entirely. Islam is fundementally political.
Jesus Christ went on a bit of a rampage in a temple in Jerusalem so I guess he doesn't represent Christianity either.
>>79856691
Islam for the purposes of the Ikhwan and ISIS is a totalitarian political situation. A city can be in Islam in the sense of having all the boxes Muhammad set out checked -- no women outside the protection of a husband or relative, no non-Muslims except in a state of humiliation, etc..
>>79858734
This. There are many schools, but the only ones that enjoy widespread adherence are four in number, and really three, and even this is academic, because they agree almost all the time. There is definitely a consistent Sunni consensus most of the time.
>>79851775
Literally No True Scotsman Fallacy: The Post
>>79859423
Why are muslims so based?
I want to remove GAYBAB too
Final word on ISIS:
originating from Muslim Brotherhood teachings
they see the rest of Muslims as not pure and falling away from faith.
their ultimate goal is to conquer the world, but first they must conquer the Muslim World under one totalitarian leadership.
therefore other Muslims and governments are under great danger from them, because they will kill all current elites.
which means that Obama is smarter on this than Trump, because if the West declares ALL ISLAM as the enemy, ISIS will gain GREAT STATUE as a unifying force.
the problem is that all other Muslims and their elites also want to conquer the world, but not with ISIS leadership.
so the West must trust noone.
>>79858375
You have to go back, Ahmed.
>>79859811
The West funded the Muslim Brotherhood
>>79859898
Die Schlomo
>>79859658
>Why are muslims so based?
Islamism is far-right religious fundamentalism. Of course you'll like that.
This is actually the reason I want to see Islam exterminated.
>>79859811
>ISIS will gain GREAT STATUE as a unifying force.
That would be fantastic are you stupid. If all the muslims of the world unifyed into one and declared non-muslims as their enemy, then there will be nothing stopping non-muslims from finally genociding them completely. The only thing stopping it now is dumb leftists who think muslims are human. Get all muslims to declare war on non-muslims now so that we can get rid of them once and for all.
>>79859423
>1 post by this ID
>>79857923
Everything about islam is unreliable as fuck and was only written down years after mohammed. Even while writing down the quran they had problems with people telling them all sorts of contradictory shit.
Of course they justify a lot by citing hadiths. That's literally one of the reasons they exist. They also use the sira. They only time they go "against" the quran is if it is internally inconsistent about the issue at hand. Then they obviously use abrogation and don't really go against the quran. It's just another instance of the quran being shit.
Does it even matter that it's unreliable? Because even if it were reliable not much would be different because it's a reflection of the society it originates from and as such should be pretty close to how it would be if it actually was reliable. It's just a bunch of barbaric horseshit that should be at most part of ancient history, but nothing more.
In reality the retarded governments of so many western countries instead help that ass backwards ideology spread like a fucking malignant cancer that's migrating everywhere and then grows and ultimately kills the host.
>>79860245
You cant get rid of ideas desu
>>79859811
This, the Muslim Brotherhood from its founding said that there goal was the creation of an Islamic State. This is why ISIS calls itself that. No existing governments at the time (notice, including Saudi Arabia) met the standards.
>>79860391
But does the west actually have the will to fight the entire Islamic world to death?
>>79860662
Ofcourse you can, see Egypt, they used to believe in a bunch of different gods, now no one believes that same goes for every extinct religion. Its easy to kill an idea, destroy everything that supports the idea, like the Quran and Mosques, oppress everyone who continues to believe in the idea, and kill everyone who refuses to let go of the idea.
Alright then, show me which quran verse says you cannot attack a holy city for jihad purposes
>>79861009
Ofcourse, if they declare themselves our enemy.
>>79858519
Saudi Arabia makes deals with Westerners and permitted foreign occupation of Muslim land. They're not Sunni at all by ISIS standards.
The problem with OP's logic is that Islam is totalitarian and maximally intolerant -- if the most Muslim person on Earth does something wrong, he's an infidel.
>>79860194
it was created in 1928. The West did not make it.
some gov'ts may have given them some money, but they are not a Western fals flag. they are authentic.
>>79860391
nobody needs to genocide them, the rest of the world would not allow it, China would not. You would not get the liberals on board with that programme.
the best we can do at a LOW PRICE is to contain Islam in its present lands and quarantine it. everybody would agree to that. Just let them live like Indians in their desert preserve.
p.s. Pakistan and possibly Iran has nukes. Don't give them a reason to use them. we want to get out alive from this.
>>79851775
>Muhammad was a warlord
>Muhammad raped a little girl
>Don't ever say that Muhammad represents Islam.
>>79851775
To the extent that they and many who prescribe to their ideology commit terrorist acts?
>>79851775
it's fake
that mosque was going to be reformed anyway
they are lying
>>79851775
and also dont talk to my wife and her black kids like that ever again
>>79855891
>PANCREAS
>PANC
>PAN
>EGGS
>FRIED EGGS
magic
>>79856803
>It would be like blaming the Pope for a group of Christian terrorists that base their actions on fucking Gospels.
The Gospels are the essence of Christianity though.
>>79861286
It would be a war, if they all said they're apart of ISIS, the group that's constantly blowing up people all over the world, then it would be justified in murdering them all and everyone would agree.
>>79861286
We already had them contained to their disgusting sand lands when we won our war with Islam in like the 20s but nooooo faggots let them spread into the West again with mass migration. This latest migration spurned on my Angela Merkel and the kikes behind her is just more evidence that they need to be gassed.
>>79851775
People need to remember that Mohammed was basically just a warlord who had no path to succession in his tribe and needed a reason to upset tribal law and order to be considered legitamate. He came up with a whole religion using concepts from other religions in the region but mostly based on Abrahamic faith that granted him authority to go out, conquer and rule the Arab world.
What ISIS is doing is pretty muh the MOST ISLAMIC thing you can do. It's like Christians being crucified by Rome or fed to lions for refusing to give up their faith.
>>79856803
How would fundamentalist Gospel terrorists kill? By getting slapped in the face too hard? Force feeding the poor?
Why would the fact that you maniacs also love to massacre each other excuse the daily crimes committed by muslims against "infidels"? Anybody who knows anything about the muslim world knows you've been killing each other since Mohammed died and a power struggle ensued.
But I can promise you this: If you were only killing each other and leaving non-Muslims alone, we would have no problem with you doing whatever the hell you want in your shit hole countries.
Happy now? Can't wait till next Ramadan this one was a real blast. The whole world is a little better acquainted with the death moon cult now yay.
>>79861286
This.
We need to spread the concept of a stand down rather than a false flag. A true false flag is fake. A stand down is where the group is real and known to the government, but the attack is permitted so that the government can exploit it for unrelated purposes. All of these attacks are stand downs. Even the migration in the US and EU is an example of standing down. Governments are pretending they cannot enforce existing law or maintain borders (which is normally fatal to governments) so they can dilute the constituency and bring in totalitarianism.
>>79851775
> WBC follows things said in the bible
> WHAAAA! THAT'S NOT CHRISTIANITY!
> IS follows things said in the Quran
> WHAAAA! THAT'S NOT ISLAM
Are people just retarded or do they intentionally ignore facts?
>>79851775
I would ask what the mosque was preaching and if they were in fact to blame for incitement.
Muhammad executed muslims in his army that he didn't like, don't ever say Mohammed represented islam.
>>79861025
You know that will never happen right?
>>79851775
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_fought_during_Ramadan_by_Muslims
>>79862091
There's a larger issue of trying to deny or control reality through meaningless changes in language.
>>79851775
It's tough to figure out the motives of ISIS, but to claim that ISIS represents true Islam reveals that you have an agenda against Islam.
After all, before ISIS, Al'Qaida represented true Islam, and now ISIS is too extreme for Al'Qaida. So what is it?
>>79862277
It won't happen world wide against muslims I don't think, but it will definitely happen in Europe when muslims start trying to change European laws and killing European people. They'll be killed and deported and banned forever. Or hide and convert.
>>79851775
Islam was already horrible way before ISIS was created.
>>79861865
lol
>>79853021
60 million is too much estimation for cultural revolution. Make it about 20m or below. However, if you add that AT LEAST 20m to 30m DEATH during 3 years so called "famine", you get your total about right.
I just don't understand how anyone can say Islam is a religion of peace when it's founder conquered and killed everyone who didn't agree to serve him.
>>79853021
Btw he IS Chinese and represents the worst kind of us.
t. Chink
>>79861777
>>79861833
if you can't convince people to deport them, then how do you want to go to genocide?
ISIS can't conquer all Islam, because they are weak.
All they can do now is hold territory against Assad.
Iran would blow them out in a direct confrontation, because iran is full industrial state and are Shias and therefore heretics to ISIS. THERE IS NO POSSIBLE ALLIANCE BETWEEN THEM.
The best solution is to contain it all and to let a secularization happen with time. Maybe 100 years.
You guys are fools who are not thinking clearly. You are not thinking about our best interest but only about doing harm to people who happen to follow Islam right now.
WHY DID THE WEST DESTROY SECULAR STATES in Iraq and Libia? It was going well.
Because of stupid burgers Iran became fanatic and Afganistan became Taliban.
When you kill people they abandon liberal reforms and turn to religious consolidation.
>>79862484
>You have an agenda against Islam if you claim muslims represent Islam
>>79851775
Funny how they never condemn Isis but rather just say it's not Islam. This way they can perform taqiya and hide the fact that they want Isis to conquer the world without having to condemn their religion.
>>79852441
>savage, subhuman beliefs
so like /pol/ basically?
this is as retarded as me yelling that because the west bro baptist church protest the at Christians funerals they couldn't possibly be Christian or have Christian beliefs.
>>79862091
It is important to note that the WBC form of extremism involves a congregation about 100 strong traveling around the country being generally obnoxious and annoying, whereas ISIS's extremism involves an apocalyptic death cult with an army over 100,000 strong and tyrannical control of 2 million plus civilians who are subjected to slavery, rape, and execution.
It sort of illustrates the differences between Christianity and Islam fairly well.
Except the Christian Genocide in MENA and the attacks on homosexuals and....
>>79862784
You act like I want to be allies with any Muslims and that all of them aren't the enemy.
I hope the "moderate Muslims" finally do come out and blatantly state that they are our enemy, because they are. They're merely playing along with Western values like not killing a woman for being outside without a man because their population size is relatively small. Just wait until they gain majority and see how quickly the "moderates" stay moderate.
It's more complicated than most of /pol/ thinks, but less complicated than most of the msm thinks.
So, boringly, a combination of both.
>>79862933
Yes. I suppose my point was that they both follow select passages from their holy books and then you have other people declare NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!
As bad as the WBC is all they do is hurt feelings.
>>79860477
The way it works though, is even though the Qur'an is contradictory especially with the beginning stuff versus later writings, its a rule that the later writings trump the earlier. So the peaceful shit at the start is trumped by the war and jihad shit later on in the qu'ran, its kind of the opposite of the bible.
>>79863288
> I hope the "moderate Muslims" finally do come out and blatantly state that they are our enemy, because they are. They're merely playing along with Western values like not killing a woman for being outside without a man because their population size is relatively small. Just wait until they gain majority and see how quickly the "moderates" stay moderate.
Of course they are a 'competing civilization', but we can compete with them without a war, which will cost us a lot of OUR blood.
What I want is simply a consensus that we can not coexist on the same teritory and I ask them politely to leave these lands.
No more immigration, onle self-deportation.
They are only a threat to us as far as TREASONOUS LIBERALS allow them to come here. They all have to go back.
>>79851775
I mean, that's actually true. ISIS is a bunch of CIA mercenaries. I'm not even a stormfag and this is literally the Jews.
>>79856803
nonsense sandnigger-kun
There are plenty of lies in the koran that implore dumb dune coons to go out and subdue infidels. Saudi Arabia is a massive fraud, full of hypocrites and double standards for the elite.
Even I know most mooslimes don't like Saudi Arabia. If there ever was a place for jihadis to attack, it would be Saudi Arabia
>>79862784
A few secular states don't matter. Every single christian country is secular. Until that happens with Islam, I won't believe it's possible for it to happen. Anyway I'm fine with just deporting them, no need to genocide them, but it would definitely be a great thing if they came out as our enemies so we could kill them.
>>79856439
2/3 fully assimilated? whaaaaat
>>79863805
>No more immigration, onle self-deportation.
No, they have huge birth rates. Even just letting the ones here stay here is too much. They all have to be deported.
ITT: People crying over Hillary being innocent
Get on Twitter!
>>79851775
>what is sectarian violence
it is completely representative of all flavors of Islam.
>>79862897
/pol/ is a image board of peace
>>79861865
Giving someone too much of our clothes....visiting someone too much in prison...ya know, downright ebil stuff.
>>79863805
They will use force against us so we need to use force against them while we still have the upper hand.
Every minute we allow them to stay, the higher our chances that our great grandchildren will be executed in the streets by the government for not being a Muslim.
>>79863805
>They all have to go back.
they will never EVER go back
Don't know why they are so radical. they want to be special to their god??? because i was reading about islam and only a few believers will be saved, the chosen ones. The rest according to themselfs will burn in hell for eternity.
And where is Jesus btw? ;_;
>>79862784
>ISIS can't conquer all Islam, because they are weak.
Dude they are bombed by like half of civilized world and still hold on territory. It is anything but weak. Left unchecked they consume soft body arab """"states""" in a moment.
>The best solution is to contain it all and to let a secularization happen with time. Maybe 100 years.
Not gonna happen. When in political scene one actor is not shy of cutting head of their opponents they will inevitably will be only one left standing.
>>79862816
You have a agenda against Islam if you claim that a specific group of Muslims which adhere to a extremist sect of Islam represent Islam
>>79851775
I'm sorry but I belive ISIS follows the Quran 50 times better then Saudi Arabia, Egypt and all these cocksuckers who predend they're countries but are actually shit that shouldn't even exist.
#KILLALLMUSILMS.
>>79865746
Its not an extremist sect retard, muslims kill innocent people all the time like homosexuals, apostates, adulterers, those who insult islam etc.. ISIS represents islam but even if they didn't exist, and only the laws of muslim countries represented Islam, it would still paint Islam as the evil death cult it is.
ISIS is Islam. It is Islam in its undiluted and unmoderated form. When there's no social pressure to keep it in check or there's no religious reformers.
For better or worse, the Pope can say things and make the religion of Catholicism more tolerant and appealing. There has been numerous additions to the Bible that update it and overrule the Old Testament (Which is not associated more with Judaism).
With Islam, the Koran is the word of God and not open to change, only interpretation. It just so happens that their god and prophet are bloodthirsty savages and anyone who tries to reform it to be otherwise usually ends up dead.
American/ Western Muslims are usually fine since they were raised with Western values that accept different people and beliefs. Arab/ African/ Asian Muslims are a lot more violent as a while because their governments are oppressive or even base their law on the Koran. See Saudi Arabia. The ONLY reason they get away with what they do is because they have a resource people need. ISIS may be in part because of US interventions that went bad, but they still exist because of nations like Saudi Arabia and Turkey- which deep down support what they are doing, because they share the same beliefs, but don't want to ruin their own nations by declaring a Jihad.
>>79866243
Oops. A few mistakes.
>There has been numerous additions to the Bible that update it and overrule the Old Testament (Which is NOW associated more with Judaism).
>Arab/ African/ Asian Muslims are a lot more violent as a WHOLE.
>>79866243
>American/ Western Muslims are usually fine since they were raised with Western values
No, they are "fine" because they are a minority and hold no power. Despite that they still rally for freedom to be taken away, so you know it's a virtual certainty to happen when they are actually the majority. They all need to be killed or deported.
>>79866698
Very fair point that I should have touched on. I don't think every Muslim wants rights to be taken away, especially if they were born in the US. I'm sure there's a few, but that's like saying the WBC speaks for all Christians.
Overall American/Western Muslims, that respect the land they are in and understand it's okay to have different lifestyles, are the minority that should be presented as good and not lumped in. Saying every Muslim is like ISIS is dishonest, just as it's dishonest to say every Muslim is like an Americanized one.
Obviously it's a problem in Europe where there are increasing calls for things like Shariah, but a lot of them are immigrants that came from the Middle East and brought their barbarism with them. Their demands should not be given in to and they should not be allowed to grow to become majority. Because they will make Europe like the countries they originally came from. Which in the end may be the true problem: There are regions of the world that are less civilized than others, the religion of those regions is just a symptom of an overall larger problem.
>>79867672
nazis were a minority also, minority dont mean shit, that minority can change to majority faster than u know
>>79867672
Every muslim is like ISIS. Even if some aren't willing to blow themselves up, they all believe fully in the Quran and the Quran is evil and is the reason the terrorists are blowing themselves up to begin with. Most of those calling for Shariah in Europe aren't immigrants either, they're the children of immigrants. Like Anjem Choudery. Anyway obviously they shouldn't be allowed to be a majority, they should be killed or deported immediately. I believe all non-muslim countries in the world should deport or kill their muslim population before the reverse happens.
>>79851775
>Read the quran
>Kill in the name of Allah
>Have "Islam" in their acronym
>Follow the rules of Islam more closely than anyone else
>Ignore all that because there was one thing that happened and this means the rest is irrelevant
It's just like saying everyone who gives gifts at Christmas is a Christian.
>>79851775
ISIS is so crazy that they even attack their own-- shameful!
ISIS represents Islam.
>shia vs sunni vs shiite
>LOL TELL ME HOW ISLAM NEVER FIGHTS ITSELF GUISE
>>79868272
I do not agree with that view point that every Muslim can be killed. I believe that those participating in, or calling for, violent acts should be taken out. But killing every single person that says "I'm a Muslim" is equally barbaric to what ISIS does and seeks to do. Do not sink to the levels of Arab nations where a certain belief or lifestyle is grounds to be killed.
The solution is to kill those actually involved in the fighting and terrorism and to work to show the others why their religion needs reformation and to deport those that advocate for a nation to change to favor their religion (You should not get the protections of a document like the Constitution when you call for its abolition- think of this as us respecting their wishes. They don't want freedom of speech, they don't get it). This also involves doing away with all tolerance of governments that use Islam as their basis for law.
It would be a long process, but in the end it's how to make Islam compatible with the civilized world. Make the governments change, kill the radicals, and help the others see the errors.
>>79851906
have you read the quran?
>>79869250
to kill a monster, u have to become a bigger monster, WW2 is a perfect example, Stalins Order 227, USAs Nuclear bombs. Where do you think these terrorists come from? they dont go to a terrorist school, the local imam radicalized the gay club shooter, so we should kill the local imam?
>>79857671
>There's no such thing as "real" Islam since it is a self-identifying ideology. If someone claims to be islamic then they are.
what
>>79869250
>I believe that those participating in, or calling for, violent acts should be taken out
And thats why muslims will continue to gain power in the west. All muslims have the same views, they all follow the same book, but because you want to point fingers only at the murderers now, instead of all of them and banning them now, they will gain power until they no longer have to hide their views and can be openly muslim supremacists. The solution is only killing them all or deporting them all, everything else means the end of the world as muslims gain control of Europe and then the world.
>>79851775
It's both because Islam is a political ideology as well as a religious one. It is not comparable to Christianity because it has no concept of "render unto Caesar". Islam recognises no distinction between secular government and religious leadership; for Muslims, they are the same thing.
Also, Islamic terrorism didn't begin with ISIS.
>>79869237
Shia is the sect and Shiites the followers anon.
>>79869237
>>79851775
>NOT ALL MUDSLEMS
>>79852113
Yeah fuck you nigger.
>>79865773
why do you believe that?
>>79871720
He's read the Koran.
>>79851775
This is retarded considering the biggest feud in the muslim world is shia vs. sunni
>>79871833
could you provide specific examples?
>>79872390
ISIS follows the Koran's teachings. Saudi Arabia doesn't.
ISIS does exactly what the Koran says - to the letter. The other Islamic theocracies do not.
>>79851775
>this numale fucking homo thinks there's only one type of Islam sect
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now." - James B. Comey, FBI Director
This is criminal. He is saying that there is not equal treatment in this case.
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ISIS literally stands for Islamic State. I'd say they're representative of Islam...
>>79862091
No, WBC is not cherry picking what they believe to fit in with modern society. The Bible is very clearly against homosexuality, most modern Christians disregard that because it's more convenient.
It's the same thing with "moderate" Muslims. They may hold extremist beliefs, but they don't act on them because they're a small minority and enjoy the standard of living provided by the West. If they continue to be allowed to invade and out breed native populations, that will change.
>>79851775
ISIS is a kike/murican proxy unit created to drive out real mudslimes out of middle east into Europe.
He' right ISIS is not Islam, but Islam itself is not a tolerant religion either. Both vectors meet the same criteria so kikes had the bright idea of creating a Unit that pursues mudslimes to make them look like victims and kill them without excuse. It's a win win situation for them.
Isnt it weird that Israel is reluctant to fight them ? Oh yeah that completely defies the real point of ISIS which is to fight mudslimes, not kikes.
>>79851775
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Muslims are only here to convert, kill, or tax you to death.
Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Quran (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Muslims can not be your friend. they are lying to you to kill you. Every muslim is either ISIS or not a muslim
>>79875223
I'm not going to let any fucking muslim tax me.
Some nigger just shot a legally carrying gun owner. With a gun. In America. Don't ever say violent, murderous niggers represent all gun owners.
>>79851775
#NoTrueMuslim
can we get this hashtag going?
#NoTrueMuslim
(incase you were wondering; No True Scotsman fallacy)
we should literally petition to get the name of the logical fallacy changed.
>>79851775
Niggers kill niggers, that don't make them any less black.
Islamic State kill Muslims, that don't make them any less Islamic.
I'll remember that the next time a Sunni honor kills their daughter because they dated a Shia
