So, was Edward Snowden a Patriot or Traitor?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10661940
both
>>79713478
this, he tried to help a shitty multiculti leftie party take over NZ but luckily Based Centre Right Jew beat his ass.
Maybe he can redeem himself. Maybe not.
>>79713417
Neither, and yet somehow both.
>>79713417
First he was a patriot, then he was a traitor.
>>79713417
He is a cuck and a traitor.
Unfortunately, his ego gets in the way of everything
>>79713478
Pretty much this. He tried to report the problems he saw via official channels and got shut down. He spilled the beans to the press. He could no longer go home. He was given residence in Russia with his girlfriend and has asylum at the price of being a shill for Russia.
tl;dr Was a patriot is a traitor.
>>79713727
Yeah, pretty much
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/12/remember-outrage-whoopsy-evidence-just-like-called-moment-truth/
>>79713848
Merkel is an ex-communist. The NSA should spy on her.
>>79714038
snowdens job was to destroy all internet sovereignty, so that we cant monitor islamic terrorists.
I have a feeling assange might be coming around, but not sure. I think they can feel the hounds after them
>>79713727
>cuck
FFS... kids...
>>79714038
They do, they have.
>>79713417
Attention whore.
>>79713417
>weeb
>>79713417
He sits on several of George Soros boards.
I think snowden is a deep agent, and shouldnt be trusted.
>>79713417
A Patriot... but here is the catch.
Nothing has come of his revelation. In fact surveillance has probably gotten even more intrusive and sophisticated.
So what did it all mean in the end?
>>79715446
Well he raised awareness. Of course most poeple are too dumb to care and will share their entire life in facebook but at least, people who care became aware of surveillance. He is a patriot. Extreme surveillance is terrifying.
>>79714164
Mass surveillance is not a solution to terrorism. There will always be ways to securely communicate on thr internet. And those are not hard ways. Terrorists arr not dumb.
>>79715661
But also...
We can't possibly know what/if it has stopped any attacks.
But we do know which attacks it did not.
Which begs the question. What is the point of accepting surveillance if its not even effective?
>>79716270
Yes. It can't be effective. Any non tech sevvy guy can find a secure way of communication by spending some time on googling. Encryption is easy, even if nsa can decrypt the strongest encryptions(which I doubt) there are ways of anonymous communication which will make sure nsa doesn't know what they are trying to decrypt. Terrorism is just an excuse which non-computer guys take easily.
I wouldn't go as far as saying a traitor, but he's certainly no patriot.
He's a committed internationalist and a shill for the Kremlin now
>>79716270
>>79716564
If I'd send childporn over facebook message, would I be V&?
Would the pary van come pick me up? nope
Because nobody cares about my life, if there is a honeypot or a bigger dealer, they will find pedophiles through him, connections and shit.
My life is too meaningless for someone specifically from billions of people to spy on me.
The real anonymity is not being overly fucking suspicious and being in the masses.
>inb4 i'll be picked up in 15 minutes
He really doesn't matter. Edward Snowden only confirmed things that were being speculated for years.
On a different note, if you go to google and look up "NSA employees looking at nude photos" on Google, no results show up. Do it on Bing and there are pages and pages of result.
>>79718017
Correction: now there are results. In the past this was not the case.
I love how is politically correct to criticise countries like DPRK and Cuba for being undemocratic and exemples of evil states that treat badly their citizens.
But it's politically incorrect to say the USA is just as corrupt and depraved. Snowden prooves it.
>>79713478
this
>>79713417
>caring about jewish intelligence agencies
Snowden betrayed the jew, I'd say that makes him pretty based. What I wonder is why the fuck do these people serve the jew? Why not simply use your intelligence agency resources to kill them all and take their money? They have the resources, and a pitiful security force for some rich jewish faggot wont stop them. Why serve your inferiors?
>>79717160
This argument has been discussed many times, so I don't want to redescuss it you can watch youtube videos to get proven wrong. Basically, they are storing the information which can later be used against you. Moreover, it is a violation of human rights for privacy, so it shouldn't be done.
>>79717160
>>79719208
They save it for later and because they know that they can use it in future with improvements in machine learning and big data.
Look at companies like Palintir.