What's wrong with taxing the rich to help the poor?
>>79655800
Pushes society further away from a meritocracy
That destroys the idea of sucess and the reward for the hard-working, because it promotes laziness and less-efficienty by rewarding the lazy with free money/entitlements and condeoming people who actually reap what the sow, and help support their family.
>>79655800
fuck you nigger
The rich always manage to dodge the taxes, while the middle class erodes away as they are forced to shoulder the burden instead.
>>79656550
y-you too.
>"“It is said that [Robin Hood] fought against the looting rulers and returned the loot to those who had been robbed, but that is not the meaning of the legend which has survived. He is remembered, not as a champion of property, but as a champion of need, not as a defender of the robbed, but as a provider of the poor. He is held to be the first man who assumed a halo of virtue by practicing charity with wealth which he did not own, by giving away goods which he had not produced, by making others pay for the luxury of his pity. He is the man who became the symbol of the idea that need, not achievement, is the source of rights, that we don’t have to produce, only to want, that the earned does not belong to us, but the unearned does. He became a justification for every mediocrity who, unable to make his own living, has demanded the power to dispose of the property of his betters, by proclaiming his willingness to devote his life to his inferiors at the price of robbing his superiors. It is this foulest of creatures — the double-parasite who lives on the sores of the poor and the blood of the rich — whom men have come to regard as a moral ideal. And this has brought us to a world where the more a man produces, the closer he comes to the loss of all his rights, until, if his ability is great enough, he becomes a rightless creature delivered as prey to any claimant — while in order to be placed above rights, above principles, above morality, placed where anything is permitted to him, even plunder and murder, all a man has to do is be in need. Do you wonder why the world is collapsing around us? That is what I am fighting… Until men learn that of all human symbols, Robin Hood is the most immoral and the most contemptible, there will be no justice on earth and no way for mankind to survive.”"
>>79655800
>“You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
― Adrian Rogers
>>79655800
taxing the rich
>>79655800
Dunno. Hitler did it. Ask him.
>>79656550
Leaf
>>79656509
Retard who doesn't know how to build an economy
You build from the ground up. Trickle down doesn't work faggots.
>>79655800
Moderation. Until something like say, a replicator or some such shit can be created complete equality is pretty impossible, buuut you can atleast have a good social safety net set up for the people at the bottom so that they can worry more about contributing to the economy than say...having rent, utility, and food money.
Rich react by moving offshore where they're taxed less taking jobs with them
>>79655800
Because "poor" people contributing to lifting themselves out of the welfare safety net and society doesn't figure into that equation chief.
>>79655800
what happens when they move to another country with lower taxes?
>>79657150
Then cut them off of trade in the home country.
>>79657150
You still have to pay taxes in the U.S. unless you denounce your american citizenship. Also why should the lower class be punished because the rich don't want to pay more or any taxes? Why can't they pay the same percent as every body else?
>>79657143
The "poor" must not be given a free lunch, otherwise you get the lazy and entitled welfare queens that spiral into degeneracy with all their free time.
>>79656996
>Hitler
>taxing
Socialism isn't about stacking up taxes upon each other and screwing people with unlimited options of law confusion.
>>79657143
>quotation marks around poor
???
>>79656772
based Ayn
>>79655800
Because it doesn't help the poor. Subsidized poverty begets more poverty, and also culturally destroys a people. Look at Native Americans or African Americans in the US. Look at Turks in Germany. Anywhere the poor are financially incentivized to stay poor, they do so.
While it feels good to help someone out by giving them money, you're not teaching them how to not be poor. You're just giving them money which they will usually squander.
>>79655800
poor are lazy. nobody wants to admit it. they believe they're entitled to free riches since they're special snowflakes like mommy used to tell them
The government should force farmers to plant their crops closer together to increase yields.
>>79655800
Nothing. We should deport the rich actually.
>>79655800
Nothing.
But I fail to see how throwing money at a problem is helping.
Europe in a fucking nutshell. Blow it brits, fucking blow it.
>>79657552
The best lesson to not be poor is to simply kill all rich people, since none of them deserve it. There's absolutely no reason some people should earn more than others for same work. But we all know rich people don't work at all, so this meme about working rich people is getting old.
most the poor is brown
>30 years of unilateral calss warfare from the rich
>Someone implies we should fight back
>THIS IS CLASS WARFARE GTFO COMMIE REEEEEE
Why are Americans so brainwashed by the jews?
>>79657419
When you think of taxing the rich you usually associate it with helping the poor. "Poor" being used as a blanket term for the less fortunate or for people that use welfare. Have you seen some of the shit heads that use welfare but spend it all on luxury goods?
I was at a sandwich shop one time and the able-bodied store manager mentions casually to an employee "yea I can't work more than 30+ hours otherwise I don't get my [gibsmedats]".
>>79657552
You assuming we would tax that rich and just give it to the poor instead of increasing the budget of government things. Increasing the police budget would let them hire more cops.
>>79655800
taxing the rich=tax the middle class
How can Bernie tax the rich if the rich special interests control him?
>>79657402
So it's that + "we're gonna give it to people that don't work"
>>79655800
>What's wrong with taxing the rich to help the poor?
we already do that
>>79657587
>how does farming work?
>>79655800
nobody want to work all their life for pocket change
>>79657121
Meme that only poor people believe in. Richest Americans tend to live in the states with the highest taxes.
If you are rich, you're rich enough to choose a nice place to live, and not give a fuck about paying a few more bucks in taxes.
Poor people really have no understanding of the rich. And why should they? They're dumb as fuck. But keep defending rich people poorfag.
>>79655800
Teach a man to fish.
>>79656619
Which is why getting closer to a simple flat-rate that everybody has to pay would be best.
>>79655800
The poor aren't worth helping.
Cut all tax loopholes. That is all you have to do. We honestly don't need to increase taxes. Just end the loopholes. There is no reason why rich should be allowed to pay lesser tax percent than everybody else.
>>79657950
you're right ppl are dumb
they vote for ppl like reagan bush and trump
>>79657842
During Socialism you worked for 1 year and you could afford anything and more or less everybody got same salary, there was no need for rich people, since everybody could afford anything, while owning airplanes and buildings was owned by country. It really pointless for you to own an airplane if you can drive one whenever you make such license. If you wanted to make airplanes you got employed by country, literally no reason for billionaires to exist.
>>79655800
What's wrong with taxing the poor to help the rich?
>>79655800
Define those "rich" people.
Because everybody assume that they are like megacorps rulers, but no, megacorps never pay anywhere, is the middle class who always ended paying.
>>79657884
People already do that. Workers are alienated from the full scope of their product.
>>79657960
Except we are not going to spend any money on education. We wouldn't people to believe in silly things like evolution and climate change, now would we :^)
bitching about the poor?
http://usuncut.com/class-war/10-corporate-welfare-programs-that-will-make-your-blood-boil/
The best solution is the one that occupies a healthy amount of people's time. Too little time with long hours is soul crushing exploitation, but being able to by jordan's on welfare that is redeemable without lift a finger is bullshit.
>>79658103
What would that help? There is no meritocracy, and any claims of a just world are puerile.
Kills motivation
Hardworking middle class people will suffer the most
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-02-20/why-should-taxpayers-give-big-banks-83-billion-a-year-
>>79658158
>people can only learn things from the government.
>>79655800
Because you can't show me anywhere in the constitution where it says that the Federal government can redistribute wealth as they see fit?
Because it means that we're no longer a society of "Work your fair share" and now a society of "Make no effort to improve yourself and then blame someone else" and a society of perpetual victimhood?
Because it doesn't matter how wealthy someone is, taking what is rightfully there's to give to someone who didn't earn it is morally bankrupt?
Because there has never been a successful society based on the idea of taking from those who earn more and give it to those who don't?
Because even if you taxed the rich at 100% you couldn't finance 1/10 of what Bernie proposed?
Because we're nearing four+ generations of people dependent on the government teat, with a growing number under each year of liberal policies?
Because it's a fucking retarded concept that fails even the most basic of logic tests?
>>79658347
Are poor people supposed to be dressed in rags? Would denigrating them further and removing even the most specious semblance of pride in one's appearance accomplish something tangible?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#7d8749947cd8
>>79655800
But we do tax the rich
>>79658289
>>79658483
You gave them permission to steal your money and redistribute it, you don't get to complain that they didn't redistribute it the way you wanted.
If you want fairness, tax everyone a flat rate that is below 10% and cut expenses to that level. The idea that the rich should owe not simply more money, but a higher PERCENTAGE of their money to the government merely sets the precedent that the government owes them more than it owes the regular people.
The rich pay MORE than their fair share already, so they get MORE than their fair share of the benefits.
>>79658512
Yeah, ok, we're going to do this. Fine.
They are still not spending on private education, so it actually doesn't matter.
>>79658598
Yes. It would force them to either work or die
>>79655800
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FAIR SHARE!
MILIONARES AND BILLIONARES
MILIONARES AND BILLIONARES
MILIONARES AND BILLIONARES
MILIONARES AND BILLIONARES
MILIONARES AND BILLIONARES
MILIONARES AND BILLIONARES
>>79658689
it's not just burger joints and big box stores
>>79655800
Here in the US, the purpose of government was for us to be free to live our lives as we wanted. Taking from the productive to give to the non-productive at the end of the barrel of a gun is about as UN-American as it gets... If people wanted to have money, they would go to work like everyone else. People should be allowed to be poor if that is their choice.
>>79658719
That's not a voluntary choice, as you capitalists love to harp about. That is a threat.
>>79658598
No, but they shouldn't be dressed in luxury either. You are supposed to live within your means, that is the most basic point of economics. A pair of shoes at Wal-Mart/K-Mart costs $15, a pair of Jordan's costs $100+.
Money that was taken from me, against my will and consent, should not be used to purchase luxuries for someone who cannot control a basic instinct.
And, before the argument of "Well, maybe they saved up to buy those shoes". Great argument, only, they're still receiving government money. So why don't they save up more than a few hundred dollars to improve themselves, rather than spending it on an overpriced piece of shit shoe that they glorify?
>>79655800
>What's wrong with taxing the rich to help the poor?
1. It doesn't work.
2. The government doesn't deserve more money.
3. The rich don't deserve to be taxed more.
4. The government being bigger is not a good thing.
5. The government having more money isn't a good thing.
6. The government spends its money irresponsibly.
Now why don't you try to convince me that raising taxes on the rich is a good thing.
it's funny how politicians only bitch about welfare for the poor
Nothing if the poor are white
>>79658598
No, but they shouldn't be squandering the already large amount of welfare they get on LUXURY GOODS without lifting a single finger.
>>79655800
It's not necessarily wrong but you can certainly overdo it.
>>79658483
(((big banks)))
almost all of corporate america is on welfare
it's the same here
http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/subsidy-tracker
>>79655800
we're already doing that, senpai
bernie is just a straight up communist
>>79658910
What reasonably could they have done to improve themselves? What fucking education program costs a couple hundred dollars?
Why are some people allowed to dress to impress, but not others?
>>79658998
Farm subsidies are only going to be $30B by 2018, as evidenced by your own link. Welfare costs in the US are over $1T and rising right now.
Corporate welfare is an issue, but it isn't nearly as expensive to us as the welfare dependency trap that the government has created.
http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/canadians-pay-hefty-684b-bill-in-business-subsidies-over-20-years-study-shows
>>79658885
If you aren't disabled, you can work. If you work, you get paid. If you get paid, you can live. It's really quite simple. We only need welfare for those who are literally unable to work, not those who can't "find" work.
>>79655800
At first glance, nothing. But there are realities about the United States that make Euro-style welfare policies impossible to implement.
To have a functioning "Nordic-style" welfare state requires the kind of broad social trust that just doesn't exist in a vast, mutli-ethnic -- really multi-national -- empire like the US. Middle class whites (who make up the majority of the productive section of society) don't want their earnings confiscated to subsidize black and Hispanic single mothers (and whites who have adopted the values of our helot peoples) as they crank out more and more babies.
And as somebody else pointed out in this thread, it is mostly the middle class that ends up bearing the tax burden for these programs. Rich people will always find ways to hide their money from the gubmint.
It's also completely true that in the long-run Nordic-style welfare programs *do* encourage free-riding and non-participation in the labor force: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/world/europe/danes-rethink-a-welfare-state-ample-to-a-fault.html
You may not think that's a bad thing. Personally I do.
>>79658987
The government having more power is good/bad depends on the system. During Socialism people regulated/employed/fired politicians and politicians written laws based on people's will. But in case of modern capitalism system like USA/EU where government is owned by billionaires, so what are you actually doing by giving government more money? Nothing at all, you take money from billionaires and give money to new billionaires. Taking and giving with no control over where money is spend is pointless.
>>79659024
I don't associate Jordans with luxury goods. Furthermore, is it reasonable to expect them to toil all day, all the while receiving pennies on the dollar for the work the do?
>>79659347
>If you get paid, you can live
Try again. A preponderance of people on welfare do work, but wages aren't high enough.
>>79659329
corporate welfare is 10x more
3 years ago these groups were saying it almost double
maybe in another 3 years we'll find out it actually 20-30 x
>>79655800
When "the rich" are people who earn 200k annually, who have spent a great portion of their lives trying to establish their relatively paultry income, and "the poor" are jobless, zero ambition leeches, we have a problem. Why should I pay for laqueesha's fifth abortion? She's 500 pounds as it is, the bitch isn't gonna starve.
>>79659413
Jordans are 10 times more expensive than the most basic, functioning shoes. That's a luxury good.
It is reasonable to expect them to work and get paid, and use that money to better themselves so they aren't dependent on the government
>>79659413
it's not reasonable to expect them to work when the welfare has a much better pay per effort.
>>79658998
if you took an econ class you'd realize that farm and fuel subsidies reduce prices for consumers
personally, I think we should get rid of them because it's wasting tax dollars on the poor and distorting the free market
>>79659388
>The government having more power is good/bad depends on the system.
Of course I'm referring to the current US system in place.
>During Socialism people regulated/employed/fired politicians and politicians written laws based on people's will.
and the Jew created ideology slaughtered 120 million people.
>But in case of modern capitalism system like USA/EU where government is owned by billionaires, so what are you actually doing by giving government more money?
Nothing as the government will still spend money based on the fact we have nearly 20 TRILLION in debt and over 200 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.
>Nothing at all, you take money from billionaires and give money to new billionaires. Taking and giving with no control over where money is spend is pointless.
"raising taxes on the rich to help the poor" is bullshit anyways. It's just democrats using class warfare to gain votes.
Politicians don't give a damn about the people. They only care about money and power.
It's theft
It's unefficient
The poor and society in general can help themselves better through lower taxes
>>79655800
What's wrong with taking a gold medal from the winner and giving it to the loser?
>>79659321
Pell Grant is $5.6k. Anyone eligible for welfare qualifies for a Pell Grant and Tuition Assistance funding, BUT, let's just stick to the Pell Grant.
They could:
1) Go to Community College and get an associates degree for ~$10k
2) Go to a Trade School for ~$15k
3) Take any number of <1year certification courses for a large number of jobs ranging from healthcare to clerical work for under <$10k
A Pell grant pays for a large chunk of this. They could, very reasonably, pay for the rest for the cost of those shoes, at a monthly rate.
Stop perpetuating the myth that you can't crawl out of poverty. It's a cancerous idea that you can't escape it, and is antithetical to the American Dream.
>Why are some people allowed to dress to impress, but not others?
Because some people can AFFORD to dress to impress, while still living within their means? Is this really that fucking difficult of a concept to you?
>>79659321
you'd be impressing people with credit you haven't even earned.
>>79658596
It's called DUE PROCESS and it's in teh constitution.
They can seize everything you own, toss you in prison and even execute you with DUE PROCESS
You must be some dumb-ass not to know this
All taxes are "redistributed" you stupid dumbfuck
god what a stupid fuck
and its clear that you think your shit don't stink, too.
when everything that comes out of your mouth is pure bullshit and ignorant fuckall, why should we listen to a total tard like you for ANYTHIING?
>>79655800
Not knowing how the world works. When has it ever been like your commie utopia and actually worked for over 200 years?
Do you even into /biz/?
>>79659651
Jordans are expensive because they tend to be higher quality and last longer.
It is reasonable to expect them to work and get paid, which is true for a majority of people on welfare. Wages aren't high enough.
>bernie
OPINION DISCARDED
SAGE
>>79659676
most of the money goes to monsanto, cargile ect
they know how to get the money
>>79659501
>but wages aren't high enough.
Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. Nor should it be.
Working at McDonald's is not supposed to be career.
If you're only able to get minimum wage jobs, that's your own god damn fault.
>>79656772
I mean, Robin Hood just wanted to fuck over some Normans to benefit Saxons.
>>79659413
>I don't associate Jordans with luxury goods.
And this is why the poor stay poor. They live beyond their means then wonder why they need welfare. Then they get welfare and still live beyond their means.
>Toil all day
I literally said this is exploitation a few posts back.
>>79659413
>$150 sneakers instead while I wear longer lasting and work appropriate $99 rock ports
>40 hour weeks stocking cans at Walmart compared to my 60 hour week writing code that affects critical systems
Sorry senpai they're neither buying normal goods nor toiling
>>79655800
Because the rich create jobs.
If the rich have less money, they create less jobs, which results in poor people staying poor.
>>79655800
You mean what's wrong with taxing the rich to strengthen the country that made them rich.
The answer is nothing.
>>79655800
Nothing is wrong with it but it depends on where the money is allocated. It should be spent less on welfare and more on education and sterilization of the poor.
>>79658861
productive to non-productive
you should have been killed as a non-productive fetus then you stupid fuck
then we wouldn't have to see your dipshit opinions anywhere
>>79659559
>implying more than 0.1% bosses deserve to be bosses
Bosses are bunch of incompetent leeches that create unemployment and frankly nowadays common workers are forced to brainstorm decisions anyway, where boss only picks the best solution, so really being a boss is the most useless job economically and should be paid the lowest than garbage man's job.
If you ever worked next to big company boss, you know they leave from work first, the lowest-paying workers leave last and do over hours.
>>79659907
Taxing the rich doesn't strengthen the country though.
Only liberals and commies believe that
>>79655800
nothing.
America taxed the rich 90% during ww2. it made us the greatest nation on earth. tax and spend to the top
>>79659895
>the rich make jobs.
http://www.businessinsider.com/rich-people-create-jobs-2013-11
>>79659996
see ww2
Because taxing people isn't what helps the poor, given that taxes are mostly used to increase government bureaucracy.
>>79659501
Gee, I wonder why low skilled work has been so devalued in this country over the last 15 years.... Hmmm
One job may not pay enough these days, but that is still no excuse for welfare. Work two or three jobs then, if the economy demands it. Many do. I work 10 hours a day 7 days a week between two jobs to save money for technical school. I'm not on welfare. And people who say they can't find jobs are lying to you. They just can't find jobs that they "want" to do.
>>79658433
quote for highlighting
socialists expect you to work hard even if it will be taken from you, because it's "the right thing to do". The hard worker is the fool in socialism.
>collect tax revenues
>give some Jewish company 90 cents to give 10 cents of services
WOOHOO WHAT A FANTASTIC IDEA
>>79655800
It's not the rich that are the problem, it's the filthy rich.
I see nothing wrong with successful entrepreneur having a small fortune of few million dollars, but when 10% of people own 50% of the wealth something somewhere has gone terribly wrong. Not to mention how it's downright stupid to have these mega corporations and banks controlling sizable part of employment and the money flow instead of numerous successful smaller ones.
>>79659370
>>79658289
Microsoft and Lockheed both do huge business, and incredibly important work for the government. The bank subsidies are more than likely support to keep the mortgage relief, and the new refinancing programs alive because liberals love spending money on other people's stupid decision making skills.
And those numbers are complete and total horseshit at the bottom, or at the very least poorly cited (Given the site, USUncut is ultra-liberal)
Welfare in the US in 2011 was 2.286 TRILLION.
>>79660058
You mean the war for the Jews and the globalists to stand against the one country that had the means and the ideas to finally break free from the chains of the Jew?
P.S. The Holocaust didn't happen.
>>79656509
>>79656863
"Help the poor" =/= handouts
see:
>>79657816
>>79655800
yeah, he was actually planning on increasing taxes on the entire working class. are you even familar with his positions?
>>79659715
So the Pell Grant covers at best 1/3 of funding for something that is not even likely to get you a job? How many places do you know of that are lining up for a community college grad?
>it is antithetical to the American Dream
Then the American dream is wrong?
>some people can AFFORD to blah blah blah
So why does pride only belong to the rich?
>>79659689
Are you saying Hitler was a Jew? USA has the highest number of Jew on planet. Socialism didn't had Jews in power. The question is only by what retarded logic you think billionaires give a shit more about people than government. I mean capitalistic government doesn't gives a shit if they don't even care if we get flooded by Africa or Mexico, but why would a private billionaire care or why should i care if he dies bleeding in some sewer?
>>79660136
You're seeing this incorrectly. 10% of people don't own 50% of the wealth, they created 50% of the wealth.
Rich people actually invest into society, everything around you, everything you use, was probably built or helped built by someone more rich than you can imagine.
Poor people on the other hand would just go buy fucking iPhones or alcohol.
everyone should get a guaranteed annual income
just to pay for the capitalism
>>79655800
Zionists don't like it
>implement high taxation on the rich
>they move out
Fucking brilliant. Why not just ban usury to keep the poor from crippling debt?
>>79659825
>everything is your fault! The world is a righteous place!
Yeah, nah. Why isn't working at McDonald's a career? What advantages does that have?
>>79660267
>t. Greece
>>79660148
even so (not that I agree with you), America tax and spent to #1.
>>79659777
There are many more functional shoe options that last longer and are less expensive than fucking Jordans. I know it's not sexy to be wearing new balance or sketchers but if that's all you can comfortably afford, that's all you should buy
>>79659895
/threaed
>>79658998
farm subsidies benefit everyone, rich and poor alike. How do you get food for your stamps if there's no agriculture?
Less than 2% of people work in agriculture and this is a contribution to sustain the current work split.
>>79660209
>Are you saying Hitler was a Jew?
I have no idea where you got that.
>Socialism didn't had Jews in power.
You're kidding, right? Marx, Lenin, Trotsky first soviet government...all Jews.
>The question is only by what retarded logic you think billionaires give a shit more about people than government.
I never said that. I just don't think taxing them more harms them and helps the country.
> I mean capitalistic government doesn't gives a shit if they don't even care if we get flooded by Africa or Mexico,
Exactly.
>but why would a private billionaire care or why should i care if he dies bleeding in some sewer?
So I should support higher taxes on them just to spite them?
Even though it doesn't harm them in the end?
>>79660136
How much should they have and why?
Specifics, not feels please
>>79660295
>>79655800
Because you are legislating morality. If you engender a community that helps the poor out of moral obligation you don't need such things. Forcing a similar result, however, does not create new morality, it only breeds resentment. The rich of course hate having to support those they view as leeches and work endlessly to undermine your systems, meanwhile the poor take it upon themselves to try and extract ever more money from the rich, thinking them an endless font of money they simply are too selfish to share.
>>79660398
no they don't
they benefit the rich
>>79658023
and it shall be 13 percent
>>79655800
Rich college trust fund baby here who is a reformed Sanders supporter (now support Trump).
Hanging out with lower class, non-college educated people has enlightened me to some degree on this issue. I've tried helping many poor individuals, by giving them money or goods. Some poors are happy to admit they are lazy. Others are just lazy as a character trait (particularly the ones with relatively successful parents). Helping the poor without discretion is essentially flushing money down the toilet. These people place their immediate desires and emotions above a consistent work ethic. They spend money on illegal drugs and are often terrible, lazy employees who can't hold a job. Consider all the money you give them unappreciated and lost.
Furthermore, they will learn nothing from receiving without working hard and will continue in their lazy and socially destructive ways.
>>79660197
>How many places are lining up a community college grad
Plenty, depending on the type of work. You're also assuming that you can't continue your education beyond CC.
>1/3 of funding that is not even likely to get you a job
The only number that lines up with is the Trade School quote, which you are completely fucking wrong on. Trades are in very high demand right now because we've been pushing this bullshit idea for 40 years now that anyone in trades just wasn't cut out for college, without realizing that yeah, we need the too.
The American Dream isn't wrong, millions of people live it every day, of all walks of life. Retards like you chalk your failures and poor choices up and blame someone/something else for why you can't succeed.
You don't need to be rich to dress nicely, but you must live within your means. If you only make $2k a month, you should pay your rent, buy your food, and dress within your means. None of this is a fucking difficult concept to grasp. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If it stretches your budget, have the restraint not to buy it and opt for the cheaper option.
>>79660292
>>everything is your fault! The world is a righteous place!
There is plenty of blame to go around, but the buck stops with you.
>Why isn't working at McDonald's a career?
Because it's a shit job that only teenagers in school should do at the beginning of their working career.
You think burger flipping from ages 18 to 65 is and should be a career?
You really think a burger flipper can advance in McDonalds to become the CEO of the company?
>captcha wants me to select all the fries.
lol
it's not a matter of right and wrong
the rich will simply find a way around it and the middle class will end up paying for it
>>79655800
nothing
>>79655800
Nothing. The trouble happens when you apply that logic to the entire planet.
Fuck the third world.
>>79660197
No one is lining up to give anyone a job, you faggot. Look for work if you want it. A community college or technical degree is more than enough education to give anyone the opportunity for a financially successful life
it's funny how wing-nuts don't care about welfare for the rich
>>79655800
Because government action cannot bring people out of poverty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bILldpGbVf0
>>79655800
Being poor is immoral.
If you are poor you deserve to die.
That's the natural process of evolution in action.
>>79655800
>Punish the rich and pander to the poor
>No poor people will want to be successful because they'll just be punished like the rich
>Eventually the rich people they can funnel money out of disappear and there's nobody left to support the poor that are reliant on gibs
>society falls
I hear living in Africa is pretty comfy, raiding villages for mud water and AK's. Can't wait until it's like that here in the west.
>>79660415
Marx, Lenin weren't Jews, literally done nothing at all Jewish, never done what USA "non-Jewish" Christian leaders are doing by Jewing it up to Israel and bowing down to their wall having a Jewish hat, no Stalin and Lenin didn't do such Jewish "non-Jewish" Christian things, they also didn't sell whole country to niggers and Mexicans and whatnot foreigners from Arab lands. The Jew is capitalism, that's what enables international trade, Socialism was national trade and there was a law where you couldn't take more than around 100 dollars and take it beyond borders. There's nothing as non-Jewish as Socialism and Hitler had Socialism too, same thing as Stalin. You think too much inside this tax model, i think inside of different system, you spin around same system looking for answers which you will never find, they made sure laws are written in their favour. If you want change, then it always starts with institutions for monitoring financial crime, then you create new laws.
>>79660806
thanks uncle tom
>>79660489
what a bullshit thing to say
nobody is saying it's greed to want to keep what you have
its greed to want more than you could ever need or use
and greed when you always want more and what you have is never enough to you but more than anyone else has.
What a stupid fuck
greedy people are all about wanting and wanting and never being fucking satisfied.
are you satisfied, you stupid fuck? I bet you aren't. I bet you pat yourself on the back for having mommy and daddy gibs u dat and this is not enough for you
>>79660553
>be freshman in college
>join community outreach volunteer group to make friends and volunteer
>our first event is to go to the biggest street in the black part of town (mixed residential/commercial) and pick up trash on the side of the road for four hours
>blacks just stare at us white students
>month later the street is full of trash again
They DON'T LEARN. Some people are beyond help.
>>79660886
What?
>>79655800
The poor aren't victim of the rich. Theyre victims of their own shit decisions and the ahit decisions of their parents. I dont believe they deserve handouts, unless these handouts come with them being forced to learn responsibility like being forced to enroll in a military school or some shit that teaches them structure.
>>79660496
there are no moral obligations dumbfuck
i don't see any greedyfucks feeling like they have any "moral obligations" to do anything but whine about the poor
>>79655800
nothing
but thats not his plan
>>79660788
We would if it was even a noticeable slice of the welfare pie.
Giving billions to companies that employ people is way different than giving trillions to people who will never contribute to society
>>79660852
>No poor people will want to be successful because they'll just be punished like the rich
lol mental midget mentality.
make 1m be taxed 50% < make 20k be taxed nothing.
i'll take the 1m at 50% any day
>>79660992
what decisions ?
the decision to be borne in a country that out sources all the jobs to the 3rd world
enroll in a military ? another corporate hand out
>>79656772
Robin hood was a nigga who went hunting on private land, which was illegal in england if not under the consent of the landowner, and gave the meat to the poor.
>>79660788
yeah
>>79660932
>nobody is saying it's greed to want to keep what you have
Democrats.
>greedy people are all about wanting and wanting and never being fucking satisfied.
What definition is this based on? What if someone still earned all that they wanted and still continue to try and earn what they don't yet have? Your definition is absolute bullshit. Literally based on muh feels.
>>79661133
At the end of the day you'll just move where you won't be taxed 50% anyways.
>>79661116
you're just a bootlicker
>>79655800
Hmm, really makes you think huh /pol/?
:^)
>>79655800
stealing is wrong
>>79661133
Or you'll take your profitable business to where you won't be taxed and leave a vacuum in the economy you leave
>>79660806
>Because government action cannot bring people out of poverty.
HA HA HA HA AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!
government "action" can be giving you money and boom you're out of poverty
what a tard
>>79661257
>i am a socialist of the national kind
Honestly unless you can stop the government state and big from wasting tax money. Nothing will happen.
>>79658851
What is so hard to comprehend...Liberals gave them permission to take money and redistribute it.. And they gave it to themselves, WHAT A FUCKING SHOCK.
>>79661222
50% tax in 1st world > than 10% in shit hole
and furthermore, let the events of "atlas shrugged" play out. someone will move up to fill the holes. they always do
>>79655800
Mostly that it doesn't help the poor.
>>79661331
Zimbabwe economics
>>79661116
where do you get trillions from?
>>79655800
Why punish the successful ones? Work hard and get there on your fucking own.
Sander's was unpopular on /pol/ because he was popular on Reddit. This place is filled with contrarian faggots that think 4chan is a secret club.
>>79661301
>>79661222
Why didn't the rich of the 1940's move?
>>79655800
> the top 50% of earners already pay 97% of all income taxes
> the lowest 20% receive money
> this isnt fair, more taxes!
>>79661210
greed
ɡrēd/
noun
noun: greed
intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
DICTIONARY
HEY STUPID FUCK
TRY LOOKING UP WORDS IN THE FUCKING DICTIONARY
HEY
STUPID
>>79655800
>1PBTID
>>79661421
M8 there's literally a huge disparity in supply and demand for low skilled work precisely because companies move overseas to avoid taxes. New companies don't fill the fucking gap for long. They just leave again.
Look at Detroit or Cleveland FFS. Atlas Shrugged IS playing out. Manufacturing is gone in the US and it's not coming back unless they are incentivized to do so
>>79658099
You mean socialism in Yugoslavia? Right. Turbo inflation and it only got through a couple of decades. Yugoslavia now would be a 3rd world shithole and maybe a few people would have a mobile phone. We wuz all equal and sheeit. But some were more equal than others. Of course no one wanted more because we were equally poor. Don't say that building a house was cheap because turbo inflation and loans from capitalist states. Fuck Tito, fuck socialism.
>>79660550
Putin purged most of the (classical) liberals responsible for making those early fiscal and economic reforms long ago and purged the rest in the last 2 years
government control of the Russian economy has been increasing dramatically to the point that now over 60% is directly or indirectly under Kremlin control
corruption is so pervasive that it's a line item in a company's budget and it's typical to pay less in taxes than in bribes to low and mid level bureaucrats and local gangsters
the only way to avoid a swamp of red tape is to have expensive connections with Putin or his inner circle
>>79655800
What's wrong with giving wild animals food constantly?
>>79655800
> What's wrong with taxing the rich to help the poor?
From a moral perspective: It's ethically inconsistent. If it's wrong to seize resources from the poor then it must be wrong to seize resources from the rich. Otherwise you are just creating two opposing moral categories of people based upon some subjective notion of "rich" and "poor."
From an economic perspective: You're punishing success and rewarding laziness. Those sorts of incentives will produce slower economic growth which harms everyone. Wealth inequality is one of the biggest contributing factors to economic growth: without some people having access to large amounts of capital, large projects would never be undertaken.
>>79661482
Hey dipwad
giving money directly gives a return of over 1.5 times what you give
it's a direct injection of economic stimulus
but no let's force everyone to shit in teh bushes
what a stupid piece of fuck
pic related
>>79661796
companies move for a low wage workers not to avoid taxes
>>79657765
>101%
wut?
>>79655800
many poors dont work because they are niggers or arabs. their work is often worthless like the work in communistic countries. there are different kind of rich people and socialists are more than happy to take the riches from those who create more things for the world, because those kind of rich people also have kindess in their hearts, whos riches are easier to steal.
world would be fucked if we hang these people, first by high tax and then as a traitors for "stealing" and not giving their all for the socialist country
if you are poor, fucking step your game up, the money isnt everything in this world. creation of things itself is always the real valuable thing on its own.
also fuck socialism, its pain and only idiots want it and people who want more power are happy to provide it for the idiots
>>79661569
>socialism being popular on /pol/
>ever
>>79655800
I wouldn't mind a special tax only for the top 20% to provide a direct cash subsidy solely for the bottom 20%, leaving the people in the middle alone.
Instead the socialist schemes tax everyone across the board, and burden them with a shitty healthcare/social security plan they can't opt out of, even if it would be in their best interest.
>>79661485
The government gets their trillions by taxing citizens like me, m8. I, along with any other tax-paying US citizen, are the financial backers of these government programs. As such it makes sense to deliberate over how our money is spent, and make our votes for our representatives reflect our views on these issues.
Thank you for playing politics 101.
>>79661803
Inflation started the same year as dumb Christians took over power, who later raped those Muslims, Tito died same year, they sure were fast in showing how dumb they are, like you for example. Turbo inflation was literally caused by foreign sponsored stealing Christians who wanted into EU badly, but look at them now, those Christian Serbians, nobody cares about their Christian cries and Croatia already got an increase of prices, didn't take long.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2011/08/12/apocalyptic_crisis_budgeting.html
don't forget to vote republican.. dumbasses
>>79655800
He wants to raise the payroll tax that means the working poor will get taxed more under bernies tax plan.
>>79659787
confirmed for hopelessly clueless on how subsidies actually work and on economics in general
seriously its fucking amazing that I can get leftists to support a libertarian position simply because they're totally uninformed
you know Obamacare and Obama's green energy subsidies are "corporate welfare" too, right?
hopefully pointing this out can at least rally some useful idiots to the cause of liberty
>>79658689
>>79661919
> economic stimulus
Literally voodoo economics. Any artificial economic growth you achieve in the short-term will be destroyed come next recession.
> there are people who unironically think indiscriminatelly giving people money produces wealth
>>79662049
>thinks everyone has the same opportunities and abilities
your momma closed the basement curtains again, did she?
>>79661585
Where were they supposed to move to back then? Not a lot of political or economic climates that would have been desirable to move to
>>79662175
Ahh yes, that well cited article with named sources is clearly more than an opinion hit piece. Especially from such a reputable source as The Star, a Canadian news site reporting on American politics.
>>79659559
We're not talking about the average rich folk who earns a few hundred thousand dollars annually due to their hard working jobs, we're talking about the coroporate milionaires who inherited their wealth from their parents and bassically spend their days making risky investments that only benefit in the short term.
Also, have you ever put yourself in the shoes of many of these so called "leechers". Many were raised in poverty constantly surrounded by gang wars and given a shit-tier education. No wonders they became such leechers to society. If we actually gave a damn trying to improve the conditions of the poor neighborhoods, most of the leechers would become productive members of society.
>>79662225
>>79662175
>libertarian position?
you mean airhead positions?
>>79655800
Would you work your butt off for the false promise of wealth if it would just be taken from you if you did ever miraculously achieve it?
>>79662278
>artificial economic growth
ain't no such animal, tardfuck
>>79660627
Thats already how it work
>Own a business?
>Massive rates
>Doing well?
>Massive taxes
>Want staff?
>Up the min wage
Meanwhile the mega rich get tax breaks for no reason
>>79662332
your right. I can't think of one neutral country during the war....
>>79662352
jesus, did you read it?
>>79655800
It never belonged to them in the first place. End of story.
>>79655800
It's theft.
>>79655800
Nothing. Anyone who says other wise is just a brain dead, brain washed conservacuck.
>>79655800
What's wrong with mugging?
>>79662459
No, considering it's a Canadian article filed under "Opinion". Literally irrelevant.
Your economy is in shambles because of social spending, and your military is provided by the US. Please, PLEASE tell me how you're so much better off. I love when you Canadians cite your healthcare system that is so fantastic people wait months for surgeries.
>>79662352
https://legacy.wlu.ca/homepage.php?grp_id=2481&f_id=35
here, tell him he's full of shit
Sounds nice. But incentivises the rich to move away or put their money elsewhere then you've got no rich to tax anymore.
t. Venezuela
>>79655800
It doesn't matter. Trump was right, the elections are rigged for Hillary because she's Obama 2.0/Bush 3.0.
>>79662424
Stop class baiting. Literally only a few thousand well-connected wealthy people pay less taxes than the middle class. Stop acting like its an epidemic.
>>79655800
They'll simply live in other countries, you commie fucking child.
Taxes for the rich should be high, but able to be reduced to close to nothing (through tax breaks) if they reinvest their money in American jobs and other economy growing opportunitues like roads and schools.
>>79655800
It makes everyone poor. Check Venezuela for further information.
>>79655800
Fuck you and fuck your bills. That's why.
>>79662289
If you aren't physically or mentally disabled you can make a living wage in this country. What more do you want?
The rich are too good at tax evasion or inserting loopholes. You end up taxing the middle class to subsidize poverty.
>>79662358
>If we actually gave a damn trying to improve the conditions of the poor neighborhoods, most of the leechers would become productive members of society.
I don't see why this would need government intervention like socialist policies. Welfare made everything worse. Poor people stay poor and more and more are becoming dependent on welfare.
>>79655800
It depends on how you qualify "rich". Also, the richest people didn't get that way by letting the government get their shekels so more than likely taxing them will just cause them to flee or hide their money better.
>>79662563
you don't know what you're talking about
we just had fiscal conservative for the last 10 years
>>79662475
>it's theft
naw
it's how our government pays for shit like military to protect your cowardly ass
you couldn't afford an aircraft carrier on your own so SHUT UP about it being theft.
You like your country? Taxes are part of it.
You don't like it?
LEAVE
>>79662691
makes your country the greatest.
see ww2 America
>>79661919
Yes giving cash is the classical liberal way of giving welfare. It works better than food stamps or and regulated welfare.
But if you weren't a teenager you would know that politicians will use it to buy votes and over a small amount of time they will start printing money and destroy the economy. Cant we just do the most hated and feared economic system on earth...Its so hated that an entire mythos has sprung up to try and stop it from ever happening again.
>>79662560
it's ok if ur poor
>>79662619
Gladly, is that email current? Because, he intellectual elite with degrees in history and theology certainly have a far better understanding of the America economy than American economists.
>>79662441
Oh boy, the Swiss economy was really prime back then m8. Ripe for the picking with low wage labor and low taxes.
It's too complex an issue to be summed up by a bunch of faggots on a Malaysian Pop-Up-Book
Yeah, there's a whole lot of poor people who are just lazy fucks. No, it's not possible for EVERYONE to become successful if they work hard, like some retards here would believe. There's only a limited amount of room at the top. A company only needs one CEO, and only a handful of people on the board of directors, while they'll need hundreds, if not thousands, of grunts, middle managers, and other general hands. Plus there are the shysters who'll willingly sabotage others to climb the ladder. People who think it's possible for everyone to be successful aren't just not successful themselves, they haven't even tried. Anyone who has tried can tell you of people they've seen ruined through the actions of others, an ill-timed gamble, or just pure bad luck.
Yeah, there is a big problem when a guy with millions pays the same amount of money as a guy who lives paycheck to paycheck. No, it's not fair that someone gets penalized for being successful.
Yeah, there is a huge problem with the heirs to a fortune who have done NOTHING to earn it, whose parents/grandparents built it up, while they piss it away being the worst, most arrogant and lazy fuckers on the face of the planet. No, there is no right to try and take a family's fortune just because the next generation are shitheads, that's up to the parents/grandparents. If they want to give their life's work to their idiotic spawn, that is their choice. They earned it, they get to choose who gets their fortune.
>>79662864
fiscal conservative tend to do that
>>79662289
why should we support people who don't have the ability to improve? Mankind hasn't benefited from those people existing since the dawn of industrialization.
>>79662969
did you read the article?
Reallocating of taxes what we actually need. Not more taxes. We should focus on job creation like military and rebuilding our cities. Focus on the people on welfare and train them for these jobs so they can work. We shouldn't subsidize and pander to lazy leeches instead force them to get a government job.
>>79655800
>What's wrong with stealing money from people who earned it through voluntary interaction?
gee I wonder
>>79655800
Wealth redistribution to create false equality is pure faggotry and needs to be curb stomped.
>>79662619
>FUCKING THEOLOGY DEGREES INDICATE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY
A
FUCKING
LEAF
>>79662864
He was clearly a fucking shitty fiscal conservative.
>>79663060
yeah, every time, and no one ever learns anything from it
>>79662995
yep and china today is a better option than then USA
if you're not going to read it .. piss off
>>79662864
>Fiscal conservative
>Increases federal debt
These things are mutually exclusive moron. He's obviously not a fiscal conservative if those numbers are true, regardless of what he claims to be himself.
>>79662258
Take you nigger reddi.t memes back to red.dit
>>79661861
It could work from both perspectives.
Morally, it's karma for some of the blatetly unethical practices that some of the ultra rich have done ever since the Reagan era and also the growing inequality of wealth since the 70s. Of course there are exceptions but we unfortunately can't do things on a person by person case.
Economically, much of the ultra rich were raised by ultra rich families and didn't have to do much to assume their executive positions while many of the poor folks are raised in poverty conditions that distracts them from trying to find a job and thus leads them and their families into a cycle of poverty.
>>79662809
wow you are totally stupid and ignorant about a "living wage"
virtually nobody will pay anything like that ANYWHERE
better ask your momma to open those curtains
it's clear you have ZERO idea of what is reality for everyone
you are so out of touch your drapes must be pretty crusty by now
try lighting them on fire, anon
>>79662619
> Laurier.
Irrelevant institution, therefore irrelevant "academic," Therefore, irrelevant opinion.
> Source - My degree from Queen's makes me superior in every conceivable way
>>79661569
Reddit is essentially facebook, goy
>>79663185
you can never teach a conservative. they don't have the mental capacity for it.
>>79661188
>>79662175
>borne
At least pretend to be old enough to post
>>79662899
Doesn't mean it's not philosophically theft.
You didn't dispute that point whatsoever because you know I'm right.
We had a military before income tax. We had roads before income tax.
I'm sure we would find a way.
>>79655800
>make taxes on rich people harsher
>rich people decide it's not worth it
>rich people leave country via yacht
>less money to redistribute
>people get poorer
now do you see?
