Reminder that socialism can never be defeated.
No matter how hard fascists and liberals try to destroy us, the rights of the working man will prevail
free stuff lmao
>>79618107
Wealth mainly comes from Whites, so you'd better be a national socialist, unless you think a dysgenic Negro-Aztecan shithole is going to afford welfare.
>there are people that think earning over $100,000,000 USD a year is reasonable and fair, but $15/hour is unreasonable and unfair
Fucking kill me now. Is there anything worse than being a shill and supporter of billionaires? Disgusting.
>>79618563
Asians make more money than whites individually.
The American wealthy makes far more than enough to bring the poor up to the same standard of living.
>>79618107
Left does not care about the working class anymore. Modern left is literally nothing but capital bourguosie. Women history students who dwell on fair-trade cafes and make bug-catching apps for iPhones.
>>79618744
Yeah being an entitled burger flipper.
>>79618744
You're a fool who doesn't understand how economies or even just complex systems work. Complex systems of all sorts have greater variability at the margins, and the more complex the system, the more variability. Assuming rule of law is upheld in the foreseeable future, wealth inequality will increase dramatically as the economy becomes ever more complex, but the lower rungs will be better off than ever in real terms. Unfortunately, it will be at least 20 to 30 more years before the bottom 85% has enough trickle-technology and dirt cheap goods to live like proper kings, but by then you'll probably still be claiming they're oppressed.
>>79619133
trickle-down technology*
Stupid phone.
>>79618107
LOL
Okay then. You delusional fucking moron. Socialism defeats ITSELF.
>>79618107
No one needs to try to destroy it. It literally destroys itself under its own weight.
Nice b8 though.
>>79619133
>it's complex, therefore innately unreasonable
Nice spin. Good luck in life.
>>79619064
Who's supporting liberals? Hillary Clinton is almost as anti-left as Donald Trump.
>>79619331
Define "unreasonable." The default state of human affairs is poverty.
Assuming you care about the common good, you should be focusing your efforts on encouraging economic innovation, because where most of the real wealth comes from and not just rent seeking. Redistribution doesn't help that much. A little, but not much.
>>79618107
The working man is now a conservative and has been for a long time. Socialists now have nothing to do with any sort of actual work.
>>79618107
>Reminder that r-selection can never be defeated.
>No matter how hard K-strategists try to destroy us, the delusions of free resources will prevail
FTFY
+1 good spin
>>79618107
what exactly does socialism have to do with working men?
Simple, we make the fallacies of socialism obvious and easy to understand. It's a disease of the mind and can be cured by rationality.
No incentives, no progress.
Socialism BTFO.
>>79618325
nice meme
>>79619306
hahaha le epic meme gif post lol le upboat XDDD
>>79619133
>>79619202
>trickle-down
>>79619881
Wealth can still be produced in socialism. It's just a matter of the profits not going to one person simply because he claims ownership of the initial capital goods.
>>79618107
Socialism is already dead and buried. There is nothing socialist about the current socialist parties in western countries, they are globalists. The only thing they kept from socialism is the internationalism : they forgot about the "end capitalism" part.
In a sense working men already know that, which is why they vote Trump/Brexit. Which causes the furor of the "socialist" elite, which is pretty hilarious. Nothing funnier than self-proclaimed socialists complaining about the "stupid proles".
>>79619348
More-so, really. Trump is running to the left of Clinton on trade.
> Democratic Socialism failing in Europe
> Numbers of Democratic Socialists go down with every election
> American youth thinks "Hey now is the time to push for these very same reforms in our country"
WHY
>>79618107
>>79620581
Thanks, m8. Here's some gold xD
>>79618934
that really worked out well in the USSR.
instead, politicians became rich and the rich all became poor along with the working class.
but i guess in your perfect and infallible version of socialism this will not happen? :^)
>>79620742
Then why should the person with initial capital goods give a shit and start something? God you faggots are so annoying.
>>79620281
>political ideologies are diseases of the mind
Ok Brezhnev.
>>79620864
>americans knowing what's happening in europe
That's a good joke. They think it's a new thing Bernie invented.
>>79620895
>le perfect infallible meme
>>79619881
>The default state of human affairs is poverty.
Wrong. Poverty is an entirely relative concept. Poverty can not exist as a "default state" because the default state is a primitive hunter gatherer society without economies or clearly defined concepts such as "private property" etc.
Otherwise I agree with you, but the word to use is not poverty.
>>79621021
Because people are these naturally perfect human beans who want to work collectively for free in organic smoothie collectives :^)
But they're corrupted by evil capitalists.
>>79621095
>le 'i don't have a refutation so i'll just parodize his post to make it look stupid' meme
>>79618107
the rights of the working man will prevail
only one who gives rights to working men are fascists, the rest enslave him.
Seems pretty easy.
>>79621154
Tell me, where did he say he's advocating the return of the USSR?
And what's wrong with departing from one form of an idea once it's been criticized? Are you implying that he's somehow not different from a USSR enthusiast?
>>79618744
People should be paid what their ability is valued at in a free-market. If that's $100,000,000 a year, so be it.
socialism is all fun and games until you get tossed out a helicopter
>>79621387
Anti-socialism is all fun and games until you get GULAG'd.
>real gommunism has never been tried
>w-when the revolution comes, you will go to gulag!
What was the latest wonder of socialism? oh yes, Venezuela! good job fucking up peoples lives yet again.
>>79621478
Anti-True Socialism is all fun and games until you get concentration camped.
>>79618107
The sad truth is socialism is the future. In another 60 years where robots have taken all food service, retail, manufacturing and hospitality jobs about 50% of the world population won't even be able to try to support theirselves with a crappy job at McDicks. The corporations will pay massive fines to the world governments so that this can go on, and it will still be cheaper for the corporations and governments than having people work these jobs. Everyone who doesn't work will get a 30,000 per year in welfare
>>79618934
>people who work for their living should live at the same standard as those who don't work
Where's the motivation to work? Why should someone work when you're guaranteeing him the same standard of living even if he doesn't?
>we will never live in a true meritocracy
Hurts every day.
>>79621592
>>79621592
Lefturds never learn. It does create a lot of entertaining comedic material though.
Take a look at this gem from 3 years ago :
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/hugo_chavezs_economic_miracle/
>>79618107
Real Fascists were Socialists. You seem to have Socialism and Communism mixed up.
>>79618744
15 is only feasible in cities. In bumfuck, USA this would shut down 95% of privately run businesses and cause employers to hire less people (or turn to automation). I think 9 or 10 is a reasonable minimum wage increase, but nobody who drives an ambulance should be making the same as a fry cook. Because we all know the businesses will be "so tight on money" that no one making 15 will get substantial pay raises. Even if they can afford to do it, anyone with common sense knows they won't do more than they absolutely have to.
>>79618107
>socialism can never be defeated.
It does that well enough on its own
socialists don't care about the working man, only the non-working man
>>79621777
Venezuela
>>79621777
Sheesh
>1
Irrelevant. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Lenin, Stalin and Mao were not inspired and following Marx's teachings, and hence misappropriated the term communist.
>2
When every single attempt to implement something ends up in mass murder, it usually does imply a connection. If 10 people jump out of a window, and all of them fall to their death, is not absurd to assume that there is a connection there.
>3
The point being that every variation ended in death and misery, and not a single attempt was ever successful. In fact the fact that the very different communist regimes spanning different continents and different peoples all ended up in bloodbaths should tell you something about the viability of that ideology.
Well, if you're a rational person. If you're a delusional commietard I bet you blame pigs in top hats or something.
>>79619306
None of Venezuela's problems stem from its socialistic nature. It's just a shitty, corrupt country that relies far too much on its oil export market, run by Chavez's incompetent cronies who couldn't prepare the economy for changes in that market
>>79618107
It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay though never quite eradicated.
- Harry Potter
>>79622149
>Venezuela's economic model has nothing to do with its economy failing
>>79618107
liberals are socialists as fuck yo
>>79622002
more like the demisexual genderfluid xer these days.
>>79621592
XDXDXD
>>79622149
>It's just a shitty, corrupt country
so is colombia
still doing vastly better than venezuela
>>79622130
For every far-leftist that committed mass murder, there were many that didn't.
Socialism does not really work, you need a market and profit motive and property rights to have a society work well.
>>79618107
National socialism ?
>>79622573
>those missing hands on the leopold ii graphic
>>79622736
>Anarchist-Socialism
>Socialist-Anarchism
>>79622736
Funny, seems like you removed Chavez from that infographic.
All the people listed on your infographic are shitty turd world warlords by the way. A bunch of niggers who never amounted to anything.
>>79622149
>skillful changing of the goal posts
Commie bingo:
Not real communism
Shitty country
Goddamn racist right-wing fascists
White men's fault
>>79621592
>>79621777
>>79622573
>>79622736
Am I cool yet goys?
>>79622951
nice meme
>want to overcome the bourgeois
>give bourgeois complete control of country
socialism.png
>>79623075
Nice meme to you. The only thing that can even remotely be called "Anarchist-Socialism" was Robesppiere's Reign of Terror and your autist head would have been on the guillotine block.
>>79623012
Nice strawman
>>79623256
So you see the irony?
Outstanding....
>>79623250
>Robspierre
>anarchist
Wew lad
Are you denying that Makhno was an anarchist?
>>79621777
>The names aren't the same! N.Korea isn't called that!
>nooo....no mass amounts of murder ever happened during gommunism
>The recurring phenomenon of gommunism failing and failing and failing...
>>79618107
But socialists ARE fascists.
>>79622951
>being that historically and politically ignorant
>>79623003
>Delescluze
>Makhno
>Kim
>Durruti
>Tito
>Dubcek
again
>being this historically ignorant
>>79623354
Yet another strawman
>>79623375
Makhno was literally nicknamed Genghis Khan by the Ukrainians. He basically ran a mini-horde which would raid wealthy peasants, murdering them and stealing their property. He was too extreme even for the Bolsheviks.
Tito was your typical Stalinist commie dictator. Yugoslavia under his rule was a shithole.
All the others are irrelevant specks of nigger shit.
Also
>being a spic
>being a COMMUNIST spic
>>79622149
>None of Venezuela's problems stem from its socialistic nature.
kek
>>79623358
Do you even know the fucking definition of Facism?
>>79623003
Also
>A bunch of niggers who never amounted to anything
When Tito died, even the fucking Republicans got pissed off at Carter for not attending his funeral.
Sankara was about to turn his country into a great one, yet he was assassinated.
Socialism works great in homogenous ethno states with a high quality white gene pool.
That's why 80's scandinavia was the poster child for socialism, and it never worked in latin america.
Leftist will never accept this so they are fucked.
>>79622574
This
>>79623579
>Sankara was about to turn his country into a great one
Lmao
He was Mugabe tier
How can you be so fucking deluded? Sankara was your typical ak-47 wielding nigger warlord.
>>79621644
I have seen the future through visions from KEK in my dreams and here's what is going to happen: Socialism takes over. Workers reclaim the government. Through the course of a mere decade, a reborn capitalist system rises from the ashes. A single national major corporation will form which will completely rebuild our infrastructure generating trillions in profit and almost complete control of the national economy. There will be giant cities built where everyone will move because that's where the majority of jobs will be. All businesses in these cities will be owned by the national corporation and the cities will resemble Vegas or Disney World, with a main focus on spending money on recreation and entertainment. The entire economy is based on people spending their salaries on things like this in the same cities in which they work, where everything is owned by the same national worker controlled corporation. Millions of jobs are created because all wealth is regenerated through each city's self sustaining economy. Do not despair, KEK has willed it and therefore it will be good. The visions make it look promising. Everyone works and everyone is happy. You could almost call it utopia.
>>79622736
>assad regime/isis
>>79618107
Considering the state of socialist countries, it looks like they're defeating themselves. Your statement is more like saying fools will always be fools.
>>79622736
>muh red niggers dindu muffin
When is the socialism meme going to die?
>>79623908
when robots do all the jobs
What if I don't want to work in a socialist society?
>>79623502
>Makhno was called Genghis Khan
Never heard this. Source?
>he was too extreme for the Bolsheviks
That's bullshit and you know it. He didn't execute thousands, torture thousands more, and organize a network of secret police. He sacked some plantations, but I don't recall much about him killing that many.
>Tito was a typical Stalinist dictator
He and Stalin broke apart in 1948. They hated each other. Tito took Yugoslavia under a very different economic and social path than the Soviet Union.
>>79623587
>Scandinavia
>Socailism
>>79623502
>Tito was your typical Stalinist commie dictator
Except that he and Stalin were at odds with each other
>Makhno was literally nicknamed Genghis Khan by the Ukrainians. He basically ran a mini-horde which would raid wealthy peasants, murdering them and stealing their property. He was too extreme even for the Bolsheviks
Trotsky ran propaganda against him because he didn't like his philosophy and Lenin took the bait. Reports of antisemitism, rape and murder where fabricated by him.
also
>implying i'm a spic
>>79623723
>His foreign policies were centered on anti-imperialism, with his government eschewing all foreign aid, pushing for odious debt reduction, nationalizing all land and mineral wealth, and averting the power and influence of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank. His domestic policies were focused on preventing famine with agrarian self-sufficiency and land reform, prioritizing education with a nationwide literacy campaign, and promoting public health by vaccinating 2.5 million children against meningitis, yellow fever, and measles. Other components of his national agenda included planting over ten million trees to halt the growing desertification of the Sahel, doubling wheat production by redistributing land from feudal landlords to peasants, suspending rural poll taxes and domestic rents, and establishing an ambitious road and rail construction program to "tie the nation together". On the localized level Sankara also called on every village to build a medical dispensary and had over 350 communities construct schools with their own labour. Moreover, his commitment to women's rights led him to outlaw female genital mutilation, forced marriages and polygamy, while appointing women to high governmental positions and encouraging them to work outside the home and stay in school even if pregnant
Mugabe tier my fucking ass
>>79623980
Tough luck
>The old principle: who does not work shall not eat, has been replaced with a new one: who does not obey shall not eat.
- Leon Trotsky
>>79623984
>>79624032
You're right, communism does work and it's wonderful.
I suggest a two state solution, a communist state for people like you, and a free state for people like me. Deal?
>>79621478
Remember he killed millions and heavily construction and modernized in order to get communism to work. He even had those in charge of the economy killed because he believed communism to be "perfect".
I like the german socialist ways.
The old ones, from the pre 2000 years.
Everyones pays, everyone gets insured. Anyone who integrates into society gets the benefits. Act like a dick and you're out of the system.
And yet we had a somewhat free market going on, which lead to the glory that is the 2000s of Germany. It worked for years after the war, dunno why we suddenly changed it to "GIVE EVERYONE MONEY" my interest in politics only started in 2013.
>>79624158
Cool, I'll start the Beta Uprising if socialism ever happens then. I'm not working to help the normalfaggot proletariat or being taxed to help cunts.
Glad (((Trotsky))) got his head ice picked.
>>79623723
Burkina Faso doubled its crop yield, built up infrastructure, committed to ecological repair, abolished barbaric tribal practices, and became essentially self-sufficient under Sankara.
Mugabe improved education and a few things for a few years, but overall introduced nepotism, corruption, and economic decay, cut social spending, reduced most of the population to unemployment or illicit squatting, and got involved in several very nasty wars abroad.
Not even close to comparable.
>>79623980
Well in USSR you would go to GULAG.
>>79624282
>Discarding all our points like that
fucking get out of my face.
>politically incorrect
more like politically ignorant
>>79624442
change militant leftists to "people who trespass on muh property"
>>79623587
>"That's why 80's scandinavia was the poster child for socialism, and it never worked in latin america."
Yeah, WAS. Now look at it. It's a mess.
You lucky Japs, almost the entirety of your country is Japanese, your race is not endangered.
>>79624599
You're a communist spic, you're beyond saving. I wish you well in your communist endeavors.
>>79624496
Yeah yeah, kind of like Chavez's Venezuela, right?
I'm so glad the American coup against Chavez failed. Otherwise you braindead niggers would harping on and on incessantly about how the glorious socialist republic of Venezuela which was totally gonna be a successful socialist state was destroyed by le ebil american capitalists.
>>79624533
Sounds fun. I don't get why more people didn't resist. Communism glorifies labour, but if people refuse to work the whole system buckles.
>>79623587
Rip
>>79623579
Fascism was created by Benito Mussolini. He was a member of the Italian Socialist Party. He was a supporter of Socialist International. Fascism is a form of socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini
I agree. Socialism, as in real socialism and not a diluted form of Marxism is the second best ideology out there.
>>79624973
>Chavez
let me give you a rundown of what happens when a capitalist state fails vs what happens when a socialist state fails
>capitalist state fails
the market was too dependent on x resource, companies saw no profit in putting their factories there etc.
>socialist state fails
FOOKIN SOCIALISM FUCK EVERYTHING UP FUCK SOCIALISM IT FAILS EVERYTIME XDXDXDXDXD
in other words, Venezuela failed not because of "muh socialism fucks everything up", it failed for plenty of valid reasons like, (it was too dependent on oil) or (the sanctions)
>Italian "Socialist" Party
You do know that Mussolini banned worker strikes right? It's the same thing with Hitler. They weren't socialists. Economically speaking, they were like the social democrats of today.
>>79625541
final part of post meant for >>79625178
>>79625541
>>capitalist state fails
Care to cite any examples, pedro?
>>79625541
So you think workers do not strike in Cuba because they're enjoying full benefits there?
>>79625738
Brazil, Mexico, Guatemala. Basically a shit ton of Latin American countries. But for some reason, people only pay attention to Venezuela because "muh socialism"
>>79625828
They don't strike because they are scared of the government there. Cuba isn't socialist.
>>79625541
Socialist states fail when everyone becomes too dependent on the government. Socialist programs on the other hand, such as unemployment benefits, student allowance/loans, universal healthcare and minimum wage should be available to everyone as a social net.
Well that's what New Zealand has, even though we're paying less tax and can still manage taking care of our citizens without having people fall in to poverty.
>>79626068
>Brazil, Mexico, Guatemala.
These are all socialist shitholes.
I will meet you halfway though and agree that industrial capitalism is not made for every kinds of people. Industrial capitalism only works with people having a high average IQ : mexishits are simply too stupid to ever hope creating a prosperous civilization.
But communism doesn't even work with smart whites and east asians. Literally no hope for it to work with brown mexishits.
>>79626068
>Cuba isn't socialist
Putting so many astringent requirements to label any kind of government as "socialist" is as dogmatic as wahabism. Stop playing that "no true scotsman" card
>>79626068
>Cuba isn't socialist
kek, even anarchists I've talked to defend Cuba and Castro
They love drooling over its healthcare system, but whenever you bring up criticism and failings of Cuba, suddenly, it's State Capitalist!
>>79626166
>Socialist programs on the other hand, such as unemployment benefits, student allowance/loans, universal healthcare and minimum wage
How are they socialist? Let me tell you something, if the workers do not own the means of production, then it is not socialist, no matter what.
>>79626332
>Mexico
>Socialist
>fucking mexico
>socialist
This just fucking astounded me. But let me be reasonable here, tell me, how is fucking mexico socialist? I won't pay attention to the other countries I mentioned, since I know Mexico better than you know your own asshole. Just tell me how it is socialist
I'm guessing you are a marine because no way a Jap is this stupid
>>79626638
>>79626649
But Cuba isn't socialist. Do the workers own the means of production? No. Then, by default, it isn't socialist. Maduro of Venezuela said he would give the factories to the workers. Venezuela will become socialist for example.
>>79626911
what differences socialism and communism from anarchism?
>>79618107
Threadly reminder that Marxism is evil and all leftists should be shot.
>>79627018
anarchism counts as a form of socialism or communism. Marx said that the ideal way to form a communist society was to take over the government first to set everything up, then dissolve the state. Anarchists propose just dissolving the state immediately.
>>79627142
>that quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marxian_economists
Just leaving this here :^)
>>79627321
And? What's your point?
>>79626911
Mexico is has elected the same populist, leftist party into power for nearly its entire existence.
Sure, it's still nominally capitalist (these days bordering on anarchy, but at the end of the day, the vast majority of Mexicans are essentially Marxists, even if they don't know what Marxism is.
>>79621777
>supposedly implied connection
>200 million dead under communist regimes and counting
>>79627446
>Mexico is has elected the same populist, leftist party into power for nearly its entire existence.
PRI isn't leftist fucktard, it says it's centrist.
Again, how is Mexico leftist?
>>79626911
Basically this :
>>79627446
Is the "Institutional Revolutionary Party" supposed to be a right wing capitalist party?
>>79626911
>Do the workers own the means of production?
This is incredibly vague and socialists have always used to weasel out of bad situations (see: the number of socialists praising Venezuela a few years ago). If the workers control the state, control the ruling party and control the factories through delegates and bureaucracy, do they not own the means of production? Leninist vanguardism is still socialism.
>>79626911
The Cuban government owns the means of production. The Cuban government is run by and for Cuban workers.
The Socialist Party has been in power in Venezuela for seventeen years. They took a country with one of the highest standards of living in Latin America and drove it straight into the dirt.
>largest proved oil reserves on Earth
>energy crisis
That pretty much says it all.
Socialism destroys nations and subjugates workers into an even worse form of slavery than that afforded by liberal capitalism.
>>79627491
>millions dead under capitalism and counting
I can do the same thing
>>79627610
By your logic, is the "Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea" democratic, for the people and a republic? And how is "revolutionary" a leftist term?
>>79627692
By workers, I mean the people working in a factory for example
By your logic, USA is socialist because the CEO's own the means of production
>>79627739
refer to this post>>79625541
>>79627554
>it says it's centrist
That doesn't mean anything. Its policies and rhetoric over the past century speaks louder than mere claims of "centrism."
You can keep defending your shithole warzone country, but the fact is your government is run by corrupt, incompetent populist frauds, i.e. socialists.
>>79627964
>By your logic, USA is socialist because the CEO's own the means of production
No. They don't claim to be ruling in the name of the proletariat and they don't support the usual tenets of socialism (planned economy, collectivisation etc). Marx supported seizing the state and enacting the "dictatorship of the proletariat". Lenin and Mao built upon those ideas and ensured socialism survived in Russia and China. Whereas the anarchist attempts failed miserably and were quickly crushed.
>>79627964
>By your logic, is the "Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea" democratic, for the people and a republic?
It's a republic, not democratic, whether it's for the people is debateable. If they had good results you'd say yes, like in pre-crash Venezuela, but since they're shit you'd say no.
>And how is "revolutionary" a leftist term?
Have you missed the past 150 years of leftist thought? "Revolution" hasn't had any liberal (read : classical liberal) connotation since the french revolution.
>>79627964
Again:
>largest proved oil reserves on Earth
>energy crisis
When socialism fails, blame external factors. The hallmark defense of Marxist "economics."
>>79628393
It's a democratic too: people are required to vote for their leader; it's just that the only option on the ballot is their leader :^)
>>79628185
Again, tell me how mexico is "socialist"
it fucking astounds me how you guys think that. Do all people here think that mexico is socialist?
>>79628290
>Whereas the anarchist attempts failed miserably and were quickly crushed
Could you name examples?
>>79628393
So you are saying that just because it was used by leftists it's now a leftist term?
>>79628425
>When capitalism fails, blame external factors. The hallmark defense of capitalist "economics."
I can do the same thing
>>79628544
Then it's not democratic by any means
>>79618107
Reminder that you don't know what socialism is.
Fascism is not in any way opposed to socialism. Lots of people seem to completely ignore that second word in "National-Socialism", I assume deliberately.
>>79628643
>So you are saying that just because it was used by leftists it's now a leftist term?
Yes. Do you also disagree with the swastika being associated with Nazism, since it is originally a buddhist symbol?
>>79627321
(((Einstein)))
>>79620895
The USSR was categorically better than what existed before or after in Russia, even though it was still shit
>>79629019
Yes, it's stupid to associate the swastika with just Nazism
>>79627964
>doesn't provide a specific number
lel
The difference between the number of people directly killed by communist regimes and capitalist ones is giant. You'd have to make vague strawmen about possible in-direct killing capitalism may or may not have caused. The fact is I'm not going to prison or a death camp for calling the government shit (communists are trying really hard to make that a reality though)
>>79619133
tl;dr: poor people have to live like shit because it will make billionaires earn 5% more
>>79629328
>The fact is I'm not going to prison or a death camp for calling the government shit
Call the government shit in Iran and see where that takes you
>>79628920
The problem with fascism is that it's to the detriment of the out-group. Why should my liberation come at the expense of people not lucky enough to be part of my country? I didn't choose to be born in America.
I think fascism has some elements that make it better than the irresponsible liberalism we have today, but in practice fascism is unnecessarily violent.
>>79629546
iran is more like a theocracy
>>79629733
And? It's still capitalist. Another example of capitalism killing millions is the rape of the Congo by Leopold II of Belgium
>>79629857
Please stop doing that
Why commies ALWAYS bring XIX century capitalism to the table?
Why don't you bring XXI century examples and see what happens?
Besides, the source of Iran's draconian laws is its theocratic system rather than their economic model
>>79629857
If a private individual in iraq is a woman she is not allowed to own the means of production for some things
nice try bitch
>>79629857
Leopold II was allowed to take over any means of production of any belgian citizen
thus, belgian citizens were not truly allowed to own the means of production
nice try bitch
>>79630076
What's wrong with XIX examples?
>>79630179
And? They still got a shit ton of resources for the capitalists during the time in Congo
>>79630080
>>79630076
My point wasn't that the source of the laws was from capitalism. It's that the same thing happens in capitalist countries too. Again, look at Pinochet
>>79626911
States don't exist under true capitalism.
>>79629598
>at the expense of people not lucky enough to be part of my country?
>fascism is unnecessarily violent.
I think you're pretty confused on what fascism is. There are no inherent victims of the system.
At it's simplest, it's an authoritarian capitalistic system, optionally with a focus on military industry. That's really where the definition draws the line. It doesn't necessarily include suppression of basic human rights or discrimination towards any minority or "out group", whatever that might be. Also, unlike a monarchy, the leading roles are selected thru some form of a meritocratic system, rather then a bloodline.
Now, yes - the fascist states in more recent history with almost no exception included discriminatory racial policies, which has unfortunately created a negative distorted image of the system as a whole. I think a much more representative example would be the Roman Empire, from which the term fascism actually originates. Wrapped branches (representing strength in unity), and often including an axe (representing labor) were combined into a symbol called "fasces", and were given to emperors as a sign of subservience to their absolute power.
>>79630522
Who says that?
>>79630448
>what's wrong with xix examples
they're outdated.
>t's that the same thing happens in capitalist countries too
less frequently
It's all about numbers, a thing that many SJW loathe
>>79630669
I think he's implying the same argument used in communism, where it's not really "x" if it's not completely and utterly "x" without any compromise or middle ground. By that logic, it's not really capitalism until absolutely everything in the country has been privatized to the point where the government effectively no longer even exists.
>>79618107
Working men are voting for Fascists now.
>>79630743
>they're outdated
Alright, I'll just say that all examples of communism killing is outdated
>less frequently
Name all know examples of communism killing and I'll name my examples of capitalism killing, ok?
>>79630860
Yeah, but Marx actually fucking said that.
>>79631090
>Yeah, but Marx actually fucking said that.
Marx said a lot of things. Most of it was misrepresentative, biased, or made little to no sense.
>>79631289
Yeah, he was wrong a lot of times, but he still said it.
>>79619133
>in real terms
Real wages have been on the decline. The growing left movement is because of the economic asymmetry
>>79630544
Eh, "fascism" is socialistic/communistic. As in the original thoughts with fascism. It is just not Mussolini/Franco/Hitler etc. were not actually fascists.
Communists and Fascists were allied in Italy for instance (in the North), before Mussolini (from the South) won the power-struggle.
The Strong Man-variant we associate with fascism is not the only thing.
>>79631090
>Alright, I'll just say that all examples of communism killing is outdated
tell that to north koreans
>Name all know examples of communism killing and I'll name my examples of capitalism killing, ok?
Communist China:
Great leap forward: 18 million (lowest estimate)
Cultural revolution: 400 thousand (lowest estimate)
Tiananmen square incident: Around 1000 (lowest estimate)
Soviet Russia:
Red Terror: Around 50 thousand (average estimate)
Stalinist purges: 600 thousand (lowest estimate)
Holodomor: 2,4 million (lowest estimate)
North Korea:
Concentration camps: Around one million (lowest estimate)
Arduous March: 240 thousand (lowest estimate)
Khmer Rouge rule in Cambodia
Cambodian genocide: 2 million (average estimate)
Spanish civil war against the Republican Spain
Death toll: Around 500 thousand
Colombian conflict caused by marxist guerrillas
Death toll: Around 200 thousands
As I said, SJW cannot handle numbers so use a calculator and sum them up all those victims of communism, socialism, anarchism, whatever collectivist ideology you preach about
>inb4 no real communism, that's not socialism
>>79631907
>Eh, "fascism" is socialistic/communistic.
It is socialistic, that was precisely the point I was making in an earlier post >>79628920
Don't confuse socialism with communism tho, there's a key difference:
Socialism simply implies a common shared investment in common shared services (healthcare being a good example)
Communism on the other hand is an entire economic system which implies state ownership of all relevant means of production and profit.
And that is essentially the only relevant difference between the two (communism and fascism).
There's actually a great deal of similarity. Communist states can be (and often are) nationalistic and militaristic, while fascists states can be socialistic to a degree (while still employing a capitalistic economy).
I'm not really sure how or when the animosity between the two ideologies came to be - never bothered to look into it.
I can only assume ww2 and cold war propaganda are the key culprits.
>>79632706
According to Friederich Hayek, who lived first-hand experiencies about different schools of socialism clashing against each other in Austria and Germany, it was all about which brand of socialism would win the feud.
And he wrote about that before ww2
>>79618107
No one else need to go and destroy you, socialists do it themselves
>>79621096
Thats bullshit. Hunter gatherers do have private property, and it is enforced by the elders in the social group. Also barter is economy
>>79632182
>>79632182
here we go
Nazi Germany
Holocaust: 9 million (average)
Purges done by Gestapo and SA: 1 million (lowest estimate)
Leopold II's regime
Massacres in Congo: 15 million (average estimate)
Franco regime:
White Terror: 400,000 (average)
Guatemalan death squads (during civil war):
40,000 (average)
Sukarto regime (Indonesia):
1 million (average)
East timor massacres: 300,000 (average)
Mussolini:
Ethopian massacres: 300,000 (average)
Ante Pavelic: 300,000 (low)
Yahya Khan: 300,000 (low)
Idi Amin: 300,000 (average)
Papa Doc Duvalier: 100,000 (average)
>>79634102
Nazi Germany was anti-capitalist
Mussolini also was anti-capitalist
Substract those numbers
>>79632706
No, I don't believe that just because you call yourself Communist, Fascist or Socialist, makes you one.
Being a fascist, but not a supremacist, I would read as saying you wanted a country run by labour unions ("guilds etc"), as became the thought of how things would be run. Not corporations (like what happened in Italy and Germany) with a Strong Man on top. Syndicalism took this role.
With Mussolini, Franco and Hitler it was about class collaboration, instead of uniting the classes into one - with the use of nationalism and outer threats towards the nation to help doing that. Real threats or not.
Marxist Socialism's goal is to create a classless society, with a socialist revolution and society towards this classless society.
But as I said, fascism started originally as an ideology for a classless society too.
Fascists wanted to artificially unite the classes under a nationalist banner, while the Socialists and Communists wanted(wants) to unite the classes by just having one single class.
Fascists today are a joke though, turned into a meme ideology.
>>79634102
to be honest i skipped out on a lot of people. Like the shah of Iran
>>79634233
Nazi Germany and Mussolini were capitalist. They gave more to corporations and banned union strikes. Don't be fooled just because they have socialist in their name
>>79618934
Not when the poor decides to have nine kids each and the wealthy literally cannot afford to have any.
>>79634506
Look at >>79634282
Then why they barred bankers under the excuse of being jewish? Why did they use "socialist" in their name?
>fascists try to destroy us
But-but anon, I'm a national socialist.
>>79629100
>more than 20,000,000 dead Russian citizens thanks to the USSR
>"still better than a boring monarchy or republic"
>>79618107
The most successful fascist government was defeated by the combined forces of foreign aggressors. ALL socialist governments were eventually defeated by themselves.
>>79634836
>muh holodomor
They died because Russians are dumb, self hating niggers. Did capitalism kill the Haitians. No they starve because they are a nation of dumb niggers.
>>79634734
>Then why they barred bankers under the excuse of being jewish?
The reparations Germany was paying after WW1 was leaving the German people with absolutely nothing. There was a public service in all major cities, which consisted of people driving around the streets in trucks and collecting corpses of those that starved to death - that's how bad it was. On top of that you had a whole series of communist uprisings and revolutions, starting in 1918 before the war was even officially over. All of those were lead exclusively by jews, and that's not even a conspiracy theory - it's public information which you can check even on wikipedia.
>Why did they use "socialist" in their name?
Because it was a socialist state. Don't confuse socialism with communism, see >>79632706
>>79634734
Only Hitler used "Socialist". And you are right that public health care, education etc. are socialist ideas.
But the thing with Nazis, is that they are populistic. Socialism was very popular among the working class - and since the Communist movement were pretty much crushed/lacked strong leadership (faced a much harder struggle than the Nazi movement from the German authorities), workers united under Hitler and his "Socialism". They simply took Socialism because it was a popular word among people. I don't think Hitler ever elaborated why "socialism". Strasser might have done (he was more of an original fascist).
>Then why they barred bankers under the excuse of being jewish
Because hating a minority, especially a semi-successful one, are very easy. Jews were in fact, and are today, over represented as bankers/financiers etc. according to their number.
>>79629598
>I didn't choose to be born in America
This argument is so stupid. "You" are nothing but your genes and your experiences. There's no such thing as "You" being born in a different country to different parents with different experiences because "You" would be a fundamentally different person. Your personality did not exist in a vaccuum waiting to be injected into a random baby's body.
>>79634102
Sorry Norwaybro but I was using your post in >>79634282 to give an answer to >>79634102
Why do liberals call neo-liberalism "socialism"? Importing cheap labor is anti-worker as fuck.
>>79634874
>aggressors
>>79618107
Tjat is true. Because that is just how fucking stupid people are
>>79634282
>Being a fascist, but not a supremacist
That depends on how you define "supremacist". Fascism is by definition an authoritarian system, so if the "supremacy" of the leader(s) over the people makes it supremacist, then I suppose you're right.
>Marxist Socialism's goal is to create a classless society,
It's actually quite unfortunate that most modern "Marxists" never actually read anything by Marx, otherwise they'd realize that he himself never suggested the society they now propagate. Quite the opposite, you'll find numerous quotes in which he confirms that a class-based society is inevitable. Even Sigmund Freud reiterated it, backing it with an entire behavioral analysis of human interactions.
>Fascists today are a joke though, turned into a meme ideology.
Sadly yes, as is the case with communism as well. The ugliest form is the neo-nazi skinheads with swastika tattoos. Ironically, those are precisely the people that would wind up in labor camps. They are uneducated hateful racists who know nothing about national socialism or fascism in general, and just think they're in "good company". Pic very much related.
>>79635452
>I don't think Hitler ever elaborated why "socialism".
He did actually. It was in a speech with this Quote "Deutsche helft euch selbst." You can find it on youtube, but I don't have a link atm
>>79636230
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=131_1330431557
>Our social welfare system is so much more than just charity. Because we do not say to the rich people: Please, give something to the poor. Instead we say: German people, help yourself! Everyone must help, whether you are rich or poor! Everyone mut have the belief that there's always someone in a much worse situation than I am, and this person I want to help as a comrade.
In all seriousness, if Socialism can never be defeated, and is considered such a good system, then why aren't you living in a Socialist country like China, or North Korea,or Laos...
Why aren't you there right now? why not take advantage of all of this capitalist wealth and then fly as fast as you can to the awaiting socialist utopia?
Is it because you can't speak your mind whenever you like about whatever you like there?
Is it because the food stores are barely stocked there?
Is it because of the human rights violations there?
Is it because of the kangaroo courts and lack of due process there?
Is it because YOU will have to work in some shit job while your glorious leaders kill your friends and send them to camps?
Is it because you will have no right to travel freely?
Oh no, THAT doesn't happen in a Socialist society. here, let me convince you.....
No. FUCK YOU, and fuck your autistic ideology. Socialists are the shit-tier niggers of political systems, always fucking their own shit up and swearing it is still a wonderful glorious thing.
If you don't think Capitalism works,stop subjecting yourself to it and hop a flight to North Korea. There you can bask in the glory of Kim Jong Un, and maybe after three years you may be able to get a television and then you can masturbate to his broadcast image with some grease you stole from the factory.
Why the fuck is anyone actually replying to the commie mexican faglord? Haven't you noticed all commushit leftist cunts apologists live in non socialist countries? He even admitted mexico isn't socialist or whatever.
Look at my flag mexican shitlord. Loon at it and tell me none of Venezuela's issues are the fault of the FUCKING RETARDED economic measures Chavez started taking and that maduro (thank you for him colombians, go fuck yourselves or kill him) now continues.
Before you even try to use the "durrr but chavez era venezuela was gr8 m8" meme let me make it clear for your dumb, unwashed, shit eating leftist ass: OIL REVENUE WAS AT ALL TIME HIGH, IT WAS ALL WASTED IN STATE CORRUPTION AND FUCKTARDED SOCIAL PROGRAMS BUILT TO REPRODUCE RETARD IDEOLOGY.
I'm fucking mad
>>79618107
Are you going to expose the Money Printers who destroy any hope of economic justice then?
You actually have to stand up for the "little guy" if you are a real socialist. It is not enough to say you are socialist.
>>79618107
>natsoc
>not national socialism
Coke back after you've read up on 3rd positionist politics, OP. You clearly do not know what fascism is.
>>79638355
You're country is shit because of Chavez. Happy? But it also wasn't socialist
>>79635746
Are you talking about liberals or leftists?
>>79636177
>Fascism is by definition an authoritarian system
No, it's not. It's coined that way. Because it has emerged as it's own branch, not just a form of Socialism, with Mussolini and Hitler.
With supremacy I mean the supremacy of one nation over other nations.
>class-based society is inevitable
You mean in the end? Marx said that the end-game was a classless society. I have not read that he said that there would always be classes. Most of our time as humans, we have lived in class less societies.
>Sadly yes, as is the case with communism as well.
You actually have decent groups of Communists, but they are small. Also there is a major ideological problem, how to manage to overthrow a Capitalist state, being organized with a strong leadership, and preventing the same leadership from turning corrupt - and even more so, prevent the successors from turning corrupt (Post-Stalin USSR). Which is why I don't believe in calling myself "Stalinist" or Marxist-Leninist etc. Even though I think the USSR was a just attempt, even if doomed from the start, or that Stalin and his people were great leaders.
Capitalism won the first round. But Communistic ideas will never die, and there will be new rounds as long as there is humans on earth. Some speculate that automatization (on a much larger scale than today) of industry will lead to first a socialist society then communist society by default.
>>79636230
As an explanation to why they took the name (National) Socialists?
>>79638298
>Another burger who's been trained to propagate the socialism=communism narrative
See >>79632706
If you want a proper example of socialism, look at Nordic countries, which have the highest standards of living in the world, without disruption of personal freedom.
Of course, if you go full retard and start importing 3rd world shitskins like Sweden then you can hardly blame the economic system for getting your asshole torn by Muhammed.
>>79618107
>working
>men
>>79638984
Sweden, Norway and Denmark aren't socialist
>>79618107
Capitalism is parasitism and degeneracy.
Workers work. They create wealth. Idle class heirs expropriate surplus labor time from workers, and the wealth they create during this time, otherwise known as profit.
How do the to the manor born heirs get away with this? A variety of ways. One is they con the most gullible into believing that some kike 2000 years ago had magic powers and all that nonsense. That you might be a loser in this life, but in the "next life" (?) after you're dead - you'll be a winner. Lots of fools believe this and they vote Republican (of course Soros et al. con workers too, but at least they're slightly smarter workers).
Or they say, let's treat Mexican workers worse, let's get rid of any rights they have. As some white workers go for this, the powers-that-be fire up the rate of immigration, since divide and conquer is their plan. The so-called "anti-immigration" white workers are one of the main causes of increased immigration. If they demanded Mexicans not be able to undercut them, and have the same rights etc. whites have - the powers-that-be would stop immigration.
>>79638926
>No, it's not. It's coined that way. Because it has emerged as it's own branch, not just a form of Socialism, with Mussolini and Hitler.
What are you talking about? Fascism is much older then it's incarnation in 1930's European states.
And the very name "fascism" originates from a symbol that represented absolute authority. See >>79630544
You can't possibly argue that the initial incarnation that coined the term is a "branch" of something which in it's supposedly real form only appeared centuries later???
>With supremacy I mean the supremacy of one nation over other nations.
But fascism does not imply that in any form. You're forgetting that it was France and GB that declared war on Germany and Axis powers, not the other way around.
>Most of our time as humans, we have lived in class less societies.
Most of our time as humans we lived as hunter-gatherers in tiny 20-30 sized tribes. That's not a viable structure for modern societies.
Not to mention even within those you had "shamans" and "elders", which are the ancient equivalents of the "leading class", so that whole statement is just plain false.
>preventing the same leadership from turning corrupt
That's the inherent problem of every authoritarian state - communist, fascist or any other.
>>79638926
>As an explanation to why they took the name (National) Socialists?
No, as an explanation of the (Socialist) part. See >>79636518 quote
>>79638984
You must not have read my last post thoroughly.
I don't want your explanation, I already know it's dog shit.
You are like a retarded jehova's witness knocking on the door of /pol/, eager to squeeze another turd on the doorstep of the board.
Go. leave to your socialist country and stay there.
>>79640580
>You must not have read my last post thoroughly.
But I did. You implied that North Korea was accurate representation of socialism, failing to differentiate socialism and communism.
I actually do live in a socialist state. The whole of Europe is socialistic to various extents.
We have a socialistic healthcare system, retirements are paid directly from the national treasury, all the infrastructure is built and maintained entirely by the state, as is all public transportation. And yet my human rights are not being violated, I have free speech, I have the right to bear arms, I have the right to leave the country at any time etc.
As I've said initially, you're another monkey trained by the state to propagate the lie that socialism = communism, and you obviously don't understand the difference between the two.
>>79639793
The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio meaning a bundle of rods, ultimately from the Latin word fasces.[14] This was the name given to political organizations in Italy known as fasci, groups similar to guilds or syndicates and at first applied mainly to organisations on the political Left. In 1919, Benito Mussolini founded the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento in Milan, which became the Partito Nazionale Fascista (National Fascist Party) two years later. The Fascists came to associate the term with the ancient Roman fasces or fascio littorio[15]—a bundle of rods tied around an axe,[16] an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of the civic magistrate[17] carried by his lictors, which could be used for corporal and capital punishment at his command.[18][19]
The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break.[20] Similar symbols were developed by different fascist movements; for example, the Falange symbol is five arrows joined together by a yoke.[21]
Yes, fascism is older, and fascism before Mussolini were a natural ideology for the left.
Mussolini made Fascism not Socialistic. Ruling classes ruled these guilds, not the workers.
>You're forgetting that it was France and GB that declared war on Germany and Axis powers
They attacked Czechoslovakia, Poland and the USSR. Declared Slavic people sub-human and called for their enslavement/extermination, taking their lands as "lebensraum". Nazi-Germany had bad intentions from the start, even if it took a fight against international Capitalism.
>Most of our time as humans we lived as hunter-gatherers in tiny 20-30 sized tribes.
Yes, but it says what social structures we naturally have lived with.
>"shamans" and "elders"
The wisest, oldest. The best hunter led the hunting, the best builder led housebuilding etc. The faster, stronger men hunted, women picked berries. Still no classes.
>>79641341
>and fascism before Mussolini were a natural ideology for the left.
To be quite honest, the terms "left" and "right" have absolutely no meaning anymore, but I think I understand what you're trying to say.
>Mussolini made Fascism not Socialistic.
Absolutely, while at the same time in Germany, workers had strong unions with huge power over the companies they worked in.
Fascism can take many forms. Cherry-picking those you don't like to try and make a point is an obvious fallacy.
>They attacked Czechoslovakia
"Attacked" is a false term - they were welcomed as heroes.
>Poland
Where the German minorities were being genocided
>USSR
Which was massing forces on its western border and preparing to invade Europe.
>The wisest, oldest. The best hunter led the hunting, the best builder led housebuilding etc. The faster, stronger men hunted, women picked berries.
What you just described is precisely the meritocratic mentality used to form a fascist state.
>Still no classes.
So by what term do you then call the "wisest" group, most fit for leading political and economic roles? A "caste"? The different name doesn't change the fact that you still ended up with the same system, where the "wisest" have governing power over the "most physically fit" aka those who do manual labor.
>>79622573
Although I agree with this image, please go ahead and compare Venezuela with Chile.
>>79642266
Cherry-picking?
I dislike both Nazism and Mussolini's fascism. I want a classless society, neither intended to do so.
>"Attacked" is a false term - they were welcomed as heroes.
By the German population. Like, I can understand the logic behind it. If the majority in areas close to Germany were Germans, it's right that they became part of the German nation.
>Where the German minorities were being genocided
Which is what the Nazi propaganda machinery used as a pre-text.
>Which was massing forces on its western border and preparing to invade Europe.
They knew Nazi-Germany were going to invade. They even tried to ally with GB, France and the US before the Molotov - Ribbentrop pact.
When Nazi-Germany went into Poland/Ukraine, they butchered not only men, but women and children. Brutally. They viewed Slavs as sub-human, not deserving life.
You know about "The Katyn Massacre"? They have actually dug up the graves once. The supposed Katyn graves, were filled with children and women too, shot with German bullets. Soviet didn't kill women and children systematically (individual soldiers/units snapping is another thing).
You know why Katyn-massacre being a Nazi-massacre, was nothing the West tried to prove? Because it would just be another typical Nazi grave. It speaks for itself.
>What you just described is precisely the meritocratic mentality used to form a fascist state.
In a society with no classes, where you rise in social status by doing good for your society (not just having money like today), the leaders would be the ones that do the most for their society. They would be the most respected.
A Nazi/Mussolini-fascist state is formed by a strong leadership, with a ruling class. The children of the ruling class have special status (this happened in the USSR too post-Stalin).
>A "caste"?
In most human tribes, in history and today, these roles are not inherited.
>>79642266
>where the "wisest" have governing power over the "most physically fit" aka those who do manual labor.
Manipulative people, sociopaths etc. would also rise to power. But in a class-less society, even sociopaths would have to do good for society to get the power/control they search.
I am a forever thinker though, constantly speculating how to organize a classless society with modern industrialized.
>>79638984
>Scandinavia is socialist
When will this meme die?
>>79643935
>chile under Pinochet
>45% below poverty line
epik
>>79618107
>already crashed one union
>in the process of crashing another
>brought ruin to countless other countries
you would make a poor gambler
>>79618107
>socialists
>working
Don't make me laugh, go back to sipping your cuckaccinos from Starbucks.
>>79618107
Fuck off thief
>>79643952
>When Nazi-Germany went into Poland/Ukraine, they butchered not only men, but women and children. Brutally.
The primary victims were Polish jews, and native Poles in almost all cases supported the Nazis as they despised the jews themselves.
Read up on the rise of antisemitism across Europe during the 30's, even before the Nat-Soc came to power.
>They viewed Slavs as sub-human, not deserving life.
This meme needs to die. Why then were Croatia, Poland, Czechoslovakia and numerous other slavic countries not ethnically cleansed of their native slavic population, but were instead reformed into fascist states sympathetic to Nat-Soc goals. It's almost as if Hitler wanted a functional alliance with these countries.
>The children of the ruling class have special status (this happened in the USSR too post-Stalin).
That's either a monarchy (if institutionalized) or otherwise a seriously corrupt system.
Meritocracy doesn't work that way. Each individual is judged based on his skills and assigned to do the work he is most fit for.
>>79618934
They do by giving them jobs and investing. Freemarket capitalism feeds more people at lower cost than stealing ever will.
>>79618107
Reminder that nationalism can never be defeated.
No matter how hard globalists and liberals try to destroy us, the rights of the patriotic man will prevail
>>79645450
>When Nazi-Germany went into Poland/Ukraine, they butchered not only men, but women and children. Brutally.
No, they didn't? Of course Hitler told some groups of people that they were good to easier keep control.
Nazi-Germany was a German nationalist state. Not Slavic. Slavic people would be enslaved, killed off when not needed.
>his meme needs to die.
"Lebensraum im Osten"
You are deluded dude. Nazi-Germany were "evil". The Nazis were fanatics, that believed in what they said.
>That's either a monarchy (if institutionalized) or otherwise a seriously corrupt system.
You saw this already from the beginning in Nazi-Germany dude. The old elites, gained high ranks, their children sent to special schools etc. Groomed for command.
>Meritocracy doesn't work that way.
Nazi-Germany did not operate with that(except in military industry maybe).
People claim Hitler was evil, and people claim Stalin was evil. Hitler literally said evil things, documented. Even filmed some of it. There is no book, text or video that shows Stalin saying something with evil intentions.
>>79638298
>>79623961
That's not Socialism you dumb faggot.
i came here to laugh at you
>>79646560
>Nazi-Germany was a German nationalist state.
Yes.
>Not Slavic.
Yes.
>Slavic people would be enslaved, killed off when not needed.
No. They would be deported at the very worst, just like the jews were.
National-Socialism isn't inherently tied to the German people. It's an ideology applicable to any nation. Pic related.
>You saw this already from the beginning in Nazi-Germany dude. The old elites, gained high ranks, their children sent to special schools etc. Groomed for command.
I never said Nazi Germany was a meritocratic state, I'm simply advocating for one. I've not done any research on this, but if what you described is true then it's a clear act of corruption in my honest opinion.
You keep talking about a classless system yet fail to see meritocracy is exactly the answer you're looking for.
>There is no book, text or video that shows Stalin saying something with evil intentions.
But there are graves of approximately 50 million people, which should be a much clearer indication of his character compared to what he said or might have said.
>>79647999
Deported where? :)
>meritocracy
I want a society run with meritocracy/technocracy. A classless one. No compromise. Compromise = degeneration.
>But there are graves of approximately 50 million people
Trolling?
>>79647586
ebin XDDD
>>79648615
>Deported where? :)
Predominantly Palestine, alongside several Commonwealth countries and USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
They don't mention that piece of legislation in the schools tho, do they?
>Trolling?
Are you seriously denying the crimes Stalin and his zionist bolsheviks committed?
The forced starvations? Gulags? NKVD?
Please do go ahead, this is going to be good.
