Do an-caps and libertarians exist or are they just larping. If they do exist why are they so stupid. Even communists aren't as dumb as an-caps.
>>79531789
Free market is bad, it rewards those who create value instead of (((the people))) who deserves it.
How would a voluntaryist-based society prevent complete ecological destruction, i.e. Clear-cutting, overfishing, devastating mining techniques.
>>79531789
Requesting the Don't step on me or my wife's son ever again flag.
>>79531789
I think it's mostly memes.
Maybe some autism.
>>79531789
An-Caps are immature children.
They have no concept of honor, nationhood, nationalism, culture, or community.
That is their major downfall. They believe there is no money in this life, and nothing more.
>>79534024
magical money would fix it
just like magic money somehow stops people from shooting you and taking your property
>>79533897
yes
oligarchy and feudalism is great at rewarding the productive class
roads
>>79534024
If you are concerned about these things, you would not buy from companies that are doing this.
If you're an anarchist you're not a capitalist
If you're a capitalist you're not an anarchist
It's just that simple
>>79531789
>lumping an-caps and libertarians together
Very different ideologies.
>>79533897
>pretending almost every single """""intellectual""""" behind the neoliberal/libertarian/unlimited free market theory wasn't a filthy, scheming kike
>>79534271
But what's stopping them from doing it regardless? What if every company is doing it?
Anarcho-capitalism would devolve into feudalism pretty quickly.
I agree OP. Sometimes a government is needed. I heard Molyneux argue that in a hypothetical anarchist town, people could just socially ostracize people who do awful things.
Well.... Child molesters are already a pretty ostracized group... Not to mention that if the perp has a lot of resources there will always be towns people willing to help him out.
>>79534271
>le rational consumer meme :^)
Just like people always have access to all business practices employed by modern corporations, and just like people rationally care about the future in the present day, right? :^)
>>79534271
Exactly, because if there's anything I can trust others to do it's to act rationally and ethically without incentive or force.
>>79534595
It is feudalism.
>>79534454
It's a matter of degrees. An-caps are just libertarians who went full retard
>>79534595
>>79534700
I think feudalism would actually be putting it lightly. Most likely it would end in a Mad Max scenario.
>>79534538
Kikes hate work, who do you think control central banks? The FED is the tool that jews use to become rich without working.
How much are you guys getting paid to shill statism in this cuck circle-jerk thread?
>>79534538
>naming the jew
REMOVE THIS
>>79534976
50 shekels per post.
>>79534919
Yeah. They also hate regulations. Why do you think it's so hard to regulate banks. KIKES hate government oversight. They just want the fed to insure them.
>>79534788
Mad Max is a bad comparison because it's not based on land ownership.
In any non desert society you'd have whoever wins the initial battle for land becoming the land owner and essentially being king and installing whatever form of rule he wants. Order would be reintroduced fairly quickly, but any non landowner becomes an impoverished peasant.
Rule by strongmen is how just about all non western governments worked until the west introduced democracy to them.
>>79533897
>creating value
kek. Mankind stopped creating actual value since the late 70's. It's just meme value now and how much morons you can trick into giving you their money
>>79534976
>hates statism
>posts on nationalist/fascist board that advocates closed border
Non-Aggressive KEK.
>>79535286
libertarians think that wall street putting the entire western world into debt makes them "wealth creators" and that wall street and international finance is somehow "productive"
pretty fucking dumb
>>79534418
Capitalism is like anarchy for the market.
Anarcho-Capitalism is the most real, pure form of anarchy. They go hand-in-hand.
>>79531789
Nationalist Minarchism is the true redpill. The state should serve the nation by protecting its citizens' natural rights.
There's been a conflation of state and the nation. If you have a strong nation, ie a strong culture, there isn't much need for a strong state (except in the areas of security), as social ostracism and morals will get more done more effectively and less brutally than the state. You can't have a weak state with multi culture, as then the culture with the more strictly enforced morals (eg Islam) will overtake the other cultures and there will be mass confusion and conflict.
>>79535457
(((WAHL STREET)))
it is just an optional phase some people go through.
Eventually you are confronted with (((who))) ruins the idea and realize how ridiculously idealistic you were
>>79535519
Pure Degeneracy. An-Cap is the Blacked of political ideologies.
>>79534654
People care so much about what companies do that Apple, despite having inhumane working conditions (and anti-suicide nets) in their Chinese factories, they are one of the largest companies in the world.
People care so much about what companies do, that they buy drugs from drug dealers which funnel money directly to cartels.
An-Caps are next-level retarded.
>>79533897
10/10
>>79534590
Then you can start a company that doesn't do it and advertise it that way.
>>79535254
Banking is the most regulated industry. And what is even worst, in the middle age jews would bankrupt local economies with fractional reserve. Now banks are regulated to do what used to be fraud.
>>79534788
It's also a bad comparison because it's a work of Hollywood fiction spiced-up to be as unrealistically entertaining as they know how to make it.
>>79531789
>"substance": the post
>>79535733
But you can't argue it.
>>79535847
>If someone rapes my wife. Instead of prosecuting them. I should be a person who doesn't rape just to stick it to them.
>>79535847
Where would you get the funds to do that from?
What if the other companies own all the land?
>>79535857
>Being this pedantic
>must be an an-cap
Just because banks have rules doesn't mean they are regulated in any meaningful sense.
>>79536009
What do you mean?
Why do an-caps believe everyone will be interested in following the non-aggression principle in a stateless society?
>>79536080
Create your own land. Stop letting the laws of thermodynamics oppress you.
>>79536043
No, you shoot them right in the goddamn face. NAP =/= pacifism.
>>79536251
What's even funnier is that they themselves probably wouldn't follow it. Let alone other strangers. Without the NAP an-capism falls apart as a viable ideology. So they have to believe it.
>>79534661
Who says there can't be incentive?
>>79536251
Because they believe the equality lie just as devoutly as Marxists.
>>79536328
How do you decide on what is a reasonable form of retribution in an an-cap society.
>>79536457
Divine command.
>>79536156
Are you aware of how unnatural and fraudulent is the Banking industry? How there is no real competition? How a few people decide the rules, the interest, what banks will be rescued.
Even with no regulations and no justice (something ancaps are against) they couldn't pull up those kind of fraudulent schemes.
>>79536156
Central banking is a monopoly. Monopolies are bad.
I don't need to tell you why they are bad, do I?
>>79536398
What incentive is their that is greater than cheap products?
>>79536328
>he and three friends just gun you down first
It's sad how ancpas can't think even 1 step ahead.
You cannot have an an-cap or Libertarian government without a moral and virtuous people. Otherwise, instead of being slaves to the state they become slaves to their decadence and usher in those who would want to implement an authoritarian state. Worship of man's inventions such as the free market, will bring downfall.
>>79536497
Doesn't having a god violate an-cap principles.
>>79536514
>Even with no regulations and no justice
>(something ancaps are against)
Umm. I hate to break it to you, but part of being an an-cap is having no regulations.
>>79536251
Why do statists think that positions of power over a population won't be infiltrated by the same power-hungry non-NAP people they fear?
>>79536611
>moral and virtuous people.
The things is if all people were moral and virtuous literally any system of government could work. The whole purpose some forms work better than others is because they control unethicacy and stupidity more than others.
>>79536767
How do you plan to get rid of people like that with something like the NAP in place?
>>79536713
Why don't you re-read that and give your comprehension a little workout?
>>79536767
We do. The thing is though that the state helps keep them in check and gives us means of removing them.
>>79536713
No, it's not.
No fraud, no violence if is not on self defense. Respect for private property. All this are regulations.
What we are against is to need a college degree and a master to cut hair, for example.
>>79536630
Where do you come up with this shit? Seriously, how much are you paid?
>>79536630
Not at all. If [God], then [God]. There being a God wouldn't change human relations, which is what anarchism is concerned with.
>>79536611
>fears his people are unmoral and unvirtuous
>thinks a position of power over him will only attract moral and virtuous people
>>79536457
It'd be left up to a court.
>>79537037
>No fraud, no violence
Common human decency is considered regulation now. Is not raping random people considered a regulation as well.
>Respect for private property.
Yeah good luck with that. Unless you have a state to protect those privacy rights good luck defending them from giant companies that want it or the mineral resources in it.
>>79531789
you can't have a freeee market without a little reeeeeee
>>79537342
How do you enforce the punishment in an an-cap society.
>>79537015
OH?! OBAMA FOR 8 YEARS?? THE ROTHCHILDS?? GUN CONTROL?? TOLL ROADS?? THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX??
Tell me more about how this is all going your way.
>>79537388
>implying guns would not be easy to come by in an ancap society thereby making coercion a very costly method of ensuring compliance
>>79537490
Whatever the community or court thinks is acceptible. Could be jail, could be labor.
>>79537369
Someone owes you employment bruh? Who?
>>79537590
>notices that a particular state isn't working well
FUCK(non-aggressively) ORGANIZED GOVERNMENT.
>>79537751
So your pretty much describing an organized government based on democratic principles.
>>79537388
And this is exactly why we need basic rules and a competent justice system to enforce it.
Now is not about if a stateless society would work, but increasing freedom and justice (based on natural rights)
>>79537728
Guns would be pretty easy to come by in an an-cap society.
>muh morality
>muh values
>hey poor man with a life expectancy of 60, better pay your income tax and contribute to our social security pyramid scheme, or you go to prison
where are these government programs that run on values
seems to me they all run on cold, hard cash
>>79537938
Did someone say cash?
>>79537872
In the sense that people would be forcefully subjected to the arbitrary whims of others.
But there's room for that under NAP.
>>79537938
Neoliberalism sucks balls. I don't know any non richfags who unironically support it.
>>79537388
>some company decides to forcefully destroy your house because there's gold under it
>guys, there's a roving company that's destroying everything in its path
>the rest of society is okay with this
We live in a society where people get up-in-arms because they get called the wrong gender, don't act like you could just go around doing whatever you want.
>>79537923
That's the point. Violence would be seen as the very last resort by business because of that.
>>79538058
What if I don't agree with the courts and peoples punishments for my crime?
>>79533897
Not entirelly true but neither false.
Its purely profit oriented which meets this anon explanation, but it also works as an incentive for people to work/innovate.
However, if left unchecked it only brings harm. You actually learn this during the most basic of economic classes.
>>79538112
In a society without legal ramifications companies would fuck you so hard it would be censored in japan.
>>79537804
Name a country that you think is doing well. Don't forget the whole Rothschilds thing.
>>79538263
If you violated NAP, it doesn't matter what you think anymore, since retribution becomes justifiable toward you.
>ancap
>not minarchism
>>79538404
lool
>Anarcho-capitalism 101
>>79538208
Not really. If i'm exxon mobile I can fund a private army. Good luck opposing my tanks, warplanes, and nukes with your hang gun and hunting rifle.
>>79534595
Governments are literally feudalism with guns you dumb cunt.
>>79538429
Who decides what a violation of the NAP is? It can't be the people themselves, because that would make the argument circular.
>>79538482
Do you know how expensive it is to maintain an army? There's a reason why only states do it.
>>79538555
>Who decides what a violation of the NAP is
God.
>>79537872
No, government assumes a monopoly, and an absolute right to control you. Courts can be done voluntarily.
You guys act like you need government in every facet of life, but forget that the only times you ever deal with government, you are left frustrated and disappointed.
>>79538517
Maybe in Egypt, but in more advanced countries people actually do have some freedom.
>>79538517
Yes, but they are not purelly driven by profit, otherwise there would be no pentions and most services would be deficient (police, firefighters, health services, education, etc).
>>79538634
How do we decide which God is correct. What if I don't believe in your God. Isn't forcing me to follow your gods rules a violation of the NAP. This isn't anarcho-capitalism anymore. It's theocracy.
>>79538316
I agree you learn this in Kindergarten/college, but that is not an argument.
>>79538564
Trust me without regulations. Exxon mobile would be a lot richer than they are now. Also you don't need a giant state sized army. A single battalion would be enough to exert dominance over multiple regions.
>people ITT saying it's like feudalism
>people ITT believe feudalism is bad
>people ITT don't realize that land tenure was abolished and replaced with taxes on secondary and tertiary production so that the size and scope of government could be uncapped
Property-rights feudalism was best. Embrace your ancestral roots. Come home white man.
>>79538263
You could have the case taken to another court. There are defendant advocacy groups even today.
If everything works out against you, then you'll have to deal with the fact that you've made yourself an enemy of your local populace.
>>79538910
Feudalism was shit. No economic growth. Shit working conditions. No technological advancement.
>>79538758
>How do we decide which God is correct
Well, it's a matter of fact that, if God, God is God, and God is correct. You don't have to believe God for that to be the case - you'd simply be wrong if you believed otherwise.
I'm not going to force you to do anything - I'm actually an absolute pacifist anarchist.
>>79538316
Just as it can bring harm it allows for people to get away from harmful businesses.
>>79538970
I like how you guys think an an-cap society would actually be this organized.
>>79534024
People protest this kind of thing without government intervention. Also, I think it's easy now to see that those are not in our best interest. Here in Idaho we have a strong logging industry, but we don't clear cut, and a lot of re-planting occurs too.
>>79538852
But it is, because if you are at the upper point, the consumer suffers while the company profits, and if you are at the lowest point the opposite happens and the company might bankrupt (less money, less innovation/quality -> eventual collapse).
Also, communism doesnt fucking work! Go to North Korea and see for yourself.
>>79539065
>pacifist
>anarchist
Good luck surviving long.
>>79539193
I could survive alone in Antarctica bruh - you don't have to worry much about me.
>>79539129
The companies would clear-cut if it was in their economic best interest. The only reason they aren't is because clear-cutting destroys the land and makes it harder to plant future trees. They aren't doing it for ethical reasons.
If capitalism is the perfect system why is India so fucked?
>>79539301
Because there aren't any people. Being a pacifist anarchist doesn't work when you are surrounded by other people.
>>79539463
India is a lot better now than it was 50 years ago.
>>79539463
>India
>capitalist
>>79539481
Really? My family has never tried to kill me. Or anyone else. And even if they did, there's no reason why they'd necessarily succeed and shorten my life span such that "not surviving long" would turn into a true statement.
>>79538482
Don't you think there would be a rather large public interest in defending against whatever tiny military Exxon could amass? That you are concerned about it now indicates to me that there is a good market for it.
>>79538724
>implying the US gov isn't driven by profit
>>79539108
I like how you think today's society is only organised because of government.
There's no reason at all it shouldn't be organized.
>>79539302
But it never is in their best interest, unless they plan to do something more productive with the land that the trees are hindering, like planting food crops.
The only reason the government ever cared about the environment was because the people forced it to. We could have been forcing the companies directly instead of going through the government middle-man.
>>79538897
The money just isn't in Exxon's name, the parent companies hide behind the little scapegoats.
>implying a battalion of insurance company PMCs and concerned citizens couldn't be easily amassed to counter the roving company-gang.
Nobody likes a roving gang.
>>79534158
...and books and years of academic scholarship.
Oh, and most importantly... arguments. Something you have none of.
>>79534418
Good thing most libertarians are minarchists rather than anarchists then.
>>79535005
Yeah get a load of this guy!
>Don't listen to these traito... I mean, evil capitalists good goy!
>Keep shitposting on chinese cartoon websites and larping a nazi! That will show the chosen people!
>>79535457
Libertarians don't "think", but rather KNOW that wallstreet is a monster created by the federal reserve and government.
So go peddle your crypto-marxist horseshit elsewhere.
>>79535457
Libertards are usually smart enough to understand the difference between free market capitalism and neoliberal capitalism (the system that has made Wall Street what it is today.
>>79539153
I'm not arguing for communism, but for capitalism, I was sarcastic in my first post.
