>Wrote a series about the men of the West.
>The west fights hordes of dark creatures that corrupt and steal who are allied with hordes of easterners...
So, /pol/, was Tolkien a bad goy?
>>79324377
Your instincts are correct.. Also notice how the leaders of the hordes or orcs etc are corrupted white men.. Look at it, Saruman, Sauron.. They used to be normal white guys, but they are now corrupted and focused on destroying all white men and replacing them with hordes of orcs etc.
>>79324953
>>79324377
My point being that Sauron and Saruman represent the cucked whites that stab us in the back in favour of the invading non whites.
>>79324377
Not red pilled so much as just writing a fantasy story that he wanted to write. Who WOULDN"T want to write a story of gallant, pure heroes fighting against malevolent forces?
>>79325283
>pure
>>79324377
“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence"
Read all the Inklings. Especially C.S. Lewis if you haven't already. And especially 'The Last Battle'
>>79324377
Like all great writers, his story arc follows that of Jesus.
White men of the west have always been fighting off dark, barbaric, eastern invaders.
Mix in some good old fashioned early 1900s race views and you got yourself one based GOAT of a writer
>>79324377
Tolkien was a genius, but he wasn't very /pol/
Notice how the Dwarves are literally Jews? Their language is also based on Hebrew. The Legolas/Gimli friendship was about overcoming racial hatred.
>>79324377
>"men of the west" lead final struggle against sandnigger "haradrim" and nigger "orcs"
>literally no black humans in any of the LotR films
Even though Tolkien didn't want LotR to be seen as an analogy, man, is the analogy accurate as fuck when you consider it.
>>79324377
There are entire books written about the philosophy and ideology behind Lord of the Rings. It's mostly trash about industrial societies being evil and how everyone should just chill out farming and drinking beer.
Tolkien really just loved fantasy worlds and is himself pretty much Frodo. Spent all his time pouring over maps and reading about adventures.
He did steal most of his shit from European folklore though.
>>79325705
>haradrim
>haredim
suspicious
>>79325705
White people must create stories about us. White people please make us a culture to enjoy
>>79324377
Meh, Lovecraft was way more redpilled
>>79325705
>black elves
it's like it didn't even read the silmarillion
>>79325541
It is not about Jesus.
Tolkien regularly met with C.S. Lewis and Ursula K. Leguin to discuss literature and fantasy, and rejected the themes of religion that his peers embraced. He believed Lewis' heavy emphasis on Christianity was a detriment to his work.
>>79325808
>He did steal most of his shit from European folklore though.
Examples.
>>79326033
Gandalf's story arc still does follow that of Jesus.
>>79325701
>The Legolas/Gimli friendship was about overcoming racial hatred.
Holy crap that's a brilliant interpretation. And the fact Legolas is the blonde archetype, blonde hair has been an issue for jews for a long time (a lot have a hatred for it).
>>79325808
It's not like the Appendices aren't chock full of "I took this from that culture and so therefore I created a construct language for them similar to the historical cultures".
>>79324377
Yes.
>>79325471
I suppose Christianity is a crucial part of who we are as a culture. Deus Vult!!!!!
Tolkien is the one who convinced C.S. Lewis to convert to Christianity
>>79325705
>lets make elves not be white
>all of tolkiens works specifically state the elves had pale as fuck skin with no exceptions
fuck i hate tumblr more than anything
Lord of the Rings is not "about" Jesus in the way that the Chronicles of Narnia is about Jesus. Tolkien was creating an alternate mythology and used themes and archetypes rather than direct parallels. Though he did refer to Lord of the Rings as a "Catholic" work.
>>79326145
Yep Elves (and Numenoreans) were basically Aryans.
>>79326140
there are so many things wrong with this i dont even know where to begin. stop projecting your fantasies into literature they dont belong in christcuck
>>79324377
I like the way how he describes food and meals like every 10 pages lol.
>>79326408
I'm not a Christian and I think you don't understand what is meant by 'story arc'.
>>79326372
But they fell...
Why was there a black person in the Hobbit but not any black people in Lord of the Rings Trilogy?
>>79325705
>LotR basically being black = being a Bad Guy
Did she just say that Orcs are black people? I think she did.
I find it hilarious how skin-deep these 'anti-racists' are. Often they're racist as shit and that's what causes them to lurch so far in the opposite direction, to the point where they won't say the word 'black' in the presence of black people and shit like that.
Also, Tolkien wasn't particularly red pilled by /pol/ standards, he was opposed to totalitarianism, disliked racial politics etc
A major background feature of Lord of the Rings is Legolas and Gimili overcoming their race's deeply held animosity, and the southern Men who fight for Sauron are presented as victims rather than inherently twisted like the Orcs.
>>79326592
Aragorn and Arwen literally start a new Aryan dynasty to rule over the realms of Men
>>79326033
Any major "quest" of a story arc, particularly in epic works like Star Wars or LOTR is based off of Jesus.
>frodo bears ring of evil
>ring represents all of evil in mankind (as seen by the effects it has on men)
>the "weight" of the ring becomes more as he reaches his destiny
>has a fellowship of followers, or apostles, who defend him and his quest
>"dies" on "the rock", a result of successfully completing his quest (jesus was crucified on the rock)
>born again in rivendell, a heavenly place
did you even take high school lit?
>>79324377
>So, /pol/, was Tolkien a bad goy?
no tolkien specifically stated several times his story was not meant to be some real world allegory, he hated people that kept trying to "interpret" his stories onto the real world
>>79326652
Original lotr movies were made during racism times
>>79324377
Tolkien also liked the Jews and wrote to the Nazis berating them over their treatment of Jewish people.
Dwarves are Jews in LOTR, btw.
>>79326652
Sign of the times desu.
tfw you ask only for the strength to defend your people!
>>79326090
All the appendices of the books, the Silmarillion, and many, if not all, of his academic writings.
>>79325705
A story is a story is a story the author wrote it cause he is the author and he can write it any damn way he wants to, its not like Tolkien chose for his work to become as legendary as he did, get some FUCKING BRAINS in your argument and thats the story he wanted to write, do you do creative writing do you feel like you have to cater in your creative writing to special groups and be the epitome of forced SJW opinions or is it your unbound imagination and originality that shines through? The director picked the cast cause it was his fucking movie to pick the cast for and all the actors did a damn good fucking job, they were genuine, unlike forced SJW vomit. what do people not get about this? This is why Link being a girl is such a stupid idea please kill you are self
>>79326652
Because SJW didn't have such a grip over popular culture when LotR was released.
Social media has a lot to answer for.
>>79326589
Besides dying and being born again as a power white-magic dude, please provide examples.
I honestly don't see it. Gandalf got a lot more shit done than Jesus.
>>79326717
Kinda we don't really know, but the realm of men/Elves were in their twilight overall, especially the Elves.
Also if we look at the New Shadow concept after LOTR (which Tolkien scrapped) the realm of men (united Arnor) looked to be toppled again .
>>79326754
>he hated people that kept trying to "interpret" his stories onto the real world
Because we getting close to the truth he hates jews and n words
>>79326145
The thing is the that the Nazis loved Tolkien but he hated them
they once contacted him to ask if he had any Jewish blood before printing his books out
he was extremely bitter against the Germans over the 1st World War
He also had no ill feelings towards anyone outside of the Germans and once remarked that he wished he had Jewish blood in him just to spite them
>>79326408
Tolkien referred to the whole thing as a Catholic work, however I agree with you in the fact that Gandalf was not made to follow Jesus in any real way
though I do feel his resurrection takes a lot of inspiration from Christ
>>79326712
The only niggers in LOTR are evil
the southern men are not black, there closer to Mediterranean than anything else
>>79326815
>Dwarves are Jews in LOTR, btw
no they are not.
The only people he states he took inspiration for are the Hobbits, he took inspiration from them from the people in rural England
>>79325808
>He did steal most of his shit from European folklore though.
He took great inspiration from germanic folklore specifically I believe
also thread themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAAp_luluo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SBQvd6vY9s
>>79325701
>The Legolas/Gimli friendship was about overcoming racial hatred.
yep in the silmarillion it basically talks about how the gods themselves made elves and dwarves hate each other, it's why legolas and gimili becoming friends is supposed to be so massive and takes 3 books/films to reach, they were literally going against thier own creation to be bros
OR AT LEAST IT WOULD IF THAT FUCKING HACK JACKSON DIDN'T FUCKING MAKE A ELF+DWARF LOVE STORY THAT SPROUTED IN 5 MINUTES BECAUSE OF A FUCKING DICK JOKE, REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>79326927
Azog was kind of unique, in the books he was described as grey/blue
>>79326927
MIND BLOWN
>>79327022
Gandalf gathers followers, sacrifices himself, returns to life and then ascends to the 'undying lands' a second time without dying (like Frodo and Bilbo and the elves)
His followers go on to unite the realms of Men in an age of peace
>>79327022
He leads them initially, but then he goes into the depths of the earth (sheol, hades) in order to save his followers from an evil supernatural being associated with fire. Then he returns more powerful and glorified. His followers do not immediately recognize him.
>>79326372
heh
google searched aryan
>>79326717
And? The over arching theme of LotR is things get less and less mythic, more and more banal.
The Union of Arnor and Gondor doesn't change that but temporarily. The setting was always intended to be our Earth.
>>79327034
Where did you read about New Shadow?
I saw some comments here and there but nothing concrete
>>79326927
Azog was a goblin and he was also the only Gobln with that pigmentation I believe
it was a nice twist
he is described as Gray/Blue in the books so
>>79326739
Your points aren't bad, but holy shit.
>Any major "quest" of a story arc, particularly in epic works is based off of Jesus.
How fucking deluded are you? All epic quests are about Jesus. Fuck off.
>>79327089
>though I do feel his resurrection takes a lot of inspiration from Christ
>no fictional character before jesus ever had a ressurection
do i need to give you a list of thousands of other resurrections that have happened in literature? This is beyond grasping at straws.
>>79325701
Yeah, but it's racial hatred in terms of Christian vs. Jew, or those who accept vs. those who deny the Logos
>>79326927
I couldn't care less that they made them pale skinned, it's that they made them CGI that annoyed me.
Also Shelob is a single mom
>>79326090
Those are not examples.
>>79327276
he openly stated it to be a Catholic work which is why things like this can be attributed to The Bible and Christ
>>79327241
why even bother lying?
>>79325417
What else is he going to say when Shlomo comes beating down his door claiming racism?
>>79327089
>The only people he states he took inspiration for are the Hobbits,
That's complete bullshit. Rohan is Anglo-Saxon.
>>79327121
I think everyone can agree the hobbit movies were utter garbage
>>79326918
You should investigate the differences between a period and a comma.
Also consider spacing your post, because no one is reading that dense, nigh unintelligible mass of shit.
>>79327241
Aryan means Iranian to anyone who isn't a NatSoc.
>>79327246
> http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_New_Shadow
Very small excerpt he started then stopped, I think he wanted to end LOTR on a good note
in b4 the LOTR films are remade to promote 'diversity'
>>79327388
he also said a number of times
>>79326754
" his story was not meant to be some real world allegory, he hated people that kept trying to "interpret" his stories onto the real world"
Hes litearlly telling you its not about jesus.
>>79325705
>fight me
I wish I could after reading that cancerous post.
C.S. Lewis is the closest thing to racist in that circle, though it is naive Grandpa racism, not an active hate or belief in the superiority of whites, sorry.
In the Last Battle, when the Arabian idol worshipers (Calormen) are pouring into Narnia, the children disguise themselves by dressing in their clothes and putting liquid on their skin to darken it
>>79327513
Lots of people (not only literally hitler's) still say 'Aryan' to refer to the vision of a master race, which the numenoreans essentially were to the rest of mankind
>>79325705
>Racebending, Genderbending
this needs to stop
>>79327400
That's not what I got.....
>>79327447
The books are way better.
>>79327565
To be fair though CS Lewis argued his works weren't allegorical either but does anyone really take his side on that?
>>79327447
They had their moments, but didn't have the luster of the original LOTR movies or even the old ass cartoon Hobbit
>>79327709
Naturally, but at least the lotr movies didn't suck so badly, don't know what happened to Peter Jackson
>>79327678
you searched for good looking black men and then changed the search bar to aryan without searching again. i dont know why you bother lying
>>79327660
I don't know how they can do that and not feel really embarrassed. There are no good stories by "PoC" with PoC characters I guess, so they have to disguise white characters as non-whites. So much for pride
>>79327794
it was probably to stop any backlash can you imagine what kind of shitstorm we'd have today if he admitted they WERE allegorical?
just look at what happened to twains work
>>79327709
You mean book.. r-right?
>>79327654
We must move in different circles.
>>79327957
Tolkein specifically stated the Dorfs are based on Jews in one of his letters. Their language is based on Hebrew.
>>79326652
fuck jackson
>>79327984
People call Iranians either Iranians or Persians here, Aryan pretty much always refers to the idea of ubermenschen
>>79327915
I don't think there would be an issue. In the third book, Aslan transforms into a lamb and says "You have to find me in your world where I have a different name."
The premise of the book is 'what if there was a world of talking animals and Christ needed to incarnate in it to save it?'
>>79326918
The whole reason the LotR movie adaptation was so great was because it DIDN'T cater to some 21st century sensibilities, but stayed mostly true to the story. And the whole reason the Hobbit adaptation was so shit was precisely because Jackson injected le ebin memes and le fad of the month identity politics into it. Tolkien is lucky his relatives keep a tight leash on rights to his works - hopefully there will never be another trainwreck like Hobbit again.
>>79327966
yes
>>79327410
Dear Sirs,
Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend byarisch. I am not ofAryanextraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am ofJewishorigin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to havenoancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject — which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.
Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to myAbstammung.
I trust you will find this reply satisfactory, and
remain yours faithfully,
J. R. R. Tolkien
>>79327495
I was filled with so much anger that I "HAD" to hit post without spellchecking and instantly regretted it>.>
>>79327660
I agree based on the fact that there is evidence that gender fluidity was recently found to be in the spectrum of schizophrenia
its based on fuckin northern european mythology, of course there should not be any black ppl
>>79328191
Shame he didn't actually have the balls to post that.
Still pretty based.
>>79326090
The death of Boromir = the death of Roland in "The song of Roland"
It's blatant.
>>79327388
He was a teacher of and very immersed in Nordic mythology. If anything, Gandalf is a representation of Odin (wanderer, died on yggdrassil and was reborn) than Jesus who could not be considered a warrior in any sense.
>>79324377
>Was Tolkien red-pilled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6aAh4FvhtI
>>79328200
No worries. I'm pretty much autistic when it comes to presenting an opinion.
Be well spoken, write well, and eviscerate your enemies.
>>79324377
>the blacks lived in the dark lands
>>79324377
not everything is an allegory you stupid nigger
the reason his stuff is so good is because he actually has artistic integrity and doesn't try to moralize every little thing
if you look for media for the soul purpose of having your opinions echoed, kill yourself
>>79327429
The only peoples based directly off of anything in reality are The Hobbits
Yes, Rohan and its inhabitants do take a large amount of their inspiration from Anglo-Saxons, however they also have Gothic and Scandinavian inspiration throughout their identity and culture.
>>79327519
Thats all I could find myself
was hoping that there was an extract or notes on it
I feel its a wasted idea. Just adds to the tragedy that The Silmarillion was never finished
>>79327565
I said "takes inspiration from" not "is a parody of"
He opnely took inspiration from multiple countries, their cultures, mythology, etc
the idea that things such as Gandalf's resurrection could not have come from The Bible is a strange one.
However I take your point that it did not necessarily come from there
I've heard this >>79328816 as an alternative before and its probably more accurate
>>79328352
WE WUZ YOUOPEEN N SHIET
DA WHYTE MEN CUM FROM DA CAVES N' DIZPLASED US
DEY WUZ ALL BLACK TIL WW1 WICH WAS FOT TO KIL DA BLACKS
Tolkien believed that man "felt" the coming of Christ and dreamed whole mythologies about it, and then Christ came and made those dreams and archetypes into something concrete and real. But he did not write Gandalf saying "okay, this guy represents ______ "
>>79326090
Aragorn living in the wilderness, hiding his identity and living as a humble man prior to becoming King of the reunited Arnor seems to be very similar to the story of Alfred the Great.
>>79324377
>all races must unite against the threat of industrial revolution
>the british people wanted to ignore it to the point of being completely vulnerable to attack
>A jew, a swede, an american, and merlin led the charge against industrial men
If anything he was blue pilled
>>79328945
I don't normally do that either btw. I usually look my post over about 10 times and then 60% of the time decide not to post or the thread is down by then too. Either that or I just lurk while or after holding my tongue and get bitter.
Well, I don't think Tolkein was right wing at all, in fact he took pride in being an edgy liberal.
>>79329178
Yeah the men of Rohan/Upper Anduin were pretty much carbon copies of early Old English/Anglo-Saxons
>>79324953
Sauron wasn't human m8
>>79329601
They have too much Gothic and Scandinavian through them to be considered "carbon copies"
>>79329888
lol no, rohan is primarily Anglo-saxon just look at the names of their people
>>79324953
>>79329881
This. But he was a White god once. Turned out he just wanted to brainwash his enemies. Pic related.
>>79329601
Tolkien wasnt fond of norman invasion of england, he thought that anglo-saxon culture diminished after that. The anglo saxons pretty much hadno cavalry and its one of the main reasons of the succes of norman invasion. Tolkien then asked what if anglo saxons had horses too and created the Rohirrim
>>79328059
Their spoken language is, written it resembles Elder Furthark, or Vikings Runes for the lay person.
>>79330021
Yes "primarily"
they are not entirely, or close to entirely, Anglo-Saxon
>>79328932
>Trust me you stupid goy, Saruman is our ally
>>79329881
He was originally a mortal servant of Morgoth, wasn't he?
Man>necromancer>grand overlord champion of satan
>>79329881
you're right he isn't human
>>79328932
Tolkien, not Peter Jackson, burguer.
>>79328352
>Frodowaith
>>79326140
Gandalf is an archetype to Odin. All wise grey wanderer. He sacrificed himself and gained greater knowledge.
>>79324953
Bullshit, Saruman and Sauron are lesser gods that can take the appearance of whatever they want, they are not humans and stop faping on the idea that LOTR is about western civilization against eastern ones, that is totally not the point and Tolkien said it.
>>79330408
No, he was a Maiar, he exists since the Ainulindalë
>>79330585
Do you even know anything about Tolkien?
>>79330408
>He was originally a mortal servant of Morgoth
he was a servant of Morgoth but he was Maiar, just as Gandalf is
Morgoth corrupted a great many Maiar during the early days of creation, before the dawn of men and elves on the continent
>>79330408
No, he was always a Maiar, effectively a lesser god. He was just the most powerful of them, kind of scraping godhood without ever reaching it. In fact it's somewhat implied that he was either close or equal to one of the lesser Valar with the ring.
>>79330562
That was in the book too, moron.
>>79328352
Can someone confirm if the distances match?
>>79330685
>>79330783
Thanks Eurobros.
If you're feeling generous what is the difference between the Maiar and the Mithrandir?
I read the Silmarillion in like 5th grade and remember almost nothing from it.
>>79331004
Mithrandir is the elvish name of Gandalf. The maiar are lesser gods that can take a lot of appearance, they serve the more powerful gods such as Aulë (Sauron was a maiar servant of this god before he joined Melkor)
>>79330865
>He was just the most powerful of them
no he was not
The Valar are also Maiar, they are the most powerful Maiar and the original ones to go to ME
>>79331004
Gonna quote here
"Many are my names in many countries. Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Dwarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; "
Gandalf is a Maiar, as are Sauroman and all the wizards
>>79330745
Are you implying that what he said was incorrect? If so, do you know anything about Tolkien?
>>79331004
> what is the difference between the Maiar and the Mithrandir
None. The Istari are just a group of Maiars who are forbidden to reveal their power on middle earth. They must fight against darkness using limited means, as disposed by the Valar.
>>79331004
Maiar are lesser gods, technically the same beings as the Valar but not as powerful. Mithrandir is another name for Gandalf, who is a Maiar.
Elves - pale and smug in their supposed superiority. Never do shit unless it affects them. Obviously they are Scandinavians.
Dwarves - live in the mountains. concerned only with gathering material wealth and making fine machinery. The Swiss.
Numenorean - powerful men from a far away land. that come to rule the land of men. Then lost it by mixing races and fighting against the darkness. the last of them leads the final fight against evil. Ancient Aryans.
dragons - serve the great evil. attracted to gold. jews.
>a few demographic of white people fighting against a massive horde
Sounds like typical British history to me. The Brits have always fought against the impossible odds and still undefeated.
>>79331296
>The Valar are also Maiar, they are the most powerful Maiar and the original ones to go to ME
You're getting Ainur and Maiar mixed up. The Valar are the most powerful Ainur, and all the others are Maiar.
>>79324377
Tolkien was a devout catholic, he admitted that he wrote LotR as a catholic book. He was an expert on medieval texts, among those medieval texts were numerous medieval catholic prophecies about the end of the world
Aragorn = Great Monarch/Last Roman Emperor of catholic prophecy
Frodo and Sam = Two Witnesses, prophecied in Revelation 11
Shireland = England
Mordor = Israel
Sauron = jewish antichrist/satan
Eye of Sauron = referance to persecution of christians by the state through surveillance and espionage
Elves = good elves who converted to christianity
Orcs = elves corrupted by satanism/zionism/secularism/modernism
Men from the south = muslims (even wear turbans and scimitars)
The entire plot revolves around 'destroying the one ring that will bind them all'. The one ring is the heresy of the jewish antichrist. Frodo and Sam stand for the Two (christian) Witnesses that will travel to Jerusalem (Mordor), face the antichrist (Sauron) in battle, where they will die, their bodies lie in the streets, and God resurrects them in front of the entire world. This event will destroy 'the one ring', the heresy of the jewish antichrist, and covert the jews to christianity.
Even the earthquake that destroys Sauron's army in the end is taken from Revelation chapter 11. Right after the Two Witnesses are resurrected, Jerusalem is destroyed in an earthquake and alot of people die in it.
>>79331407
>>79331410
It was not, is not, and never shall be a direct parody to any event(s) in reality
he takes inspiration from the mythology and history of many cultures however it is a direct parody to none
>>79325065
>>79324953
Yeah. He's going to write about events that havent even started and he was unable to foresee.
Lord of the Rings is catholic theology based novel. Thats it.
>>79331555
ty, saved
>>79331244
>>79331296
>>79331401
This is why I love nerds. Three different countries, just as helpful and informative.
>>79324377
Tolkien was anti-Communist, he was also obviously fond of nordic, anglo-saxon, germanic, and celtic history; however, he did say that his works are not a parable for the West's fight against Marxism explicitly.
>>79331697
Well... I'm absolutely not a nerd but you're welcome
>>79331407
Seems legit
What about Hobbits? Slavs?
>>79331697
Chad please leave
I heard about you from American TV Dramas...
also see >>79331835
I just like literature and fantasy
>>79331697
Always of service. I don't think I've honestly read the Silmarillion since middle school either, but I have a good memory and the frequent LOTR discussions on 4chan have kept the information fresh.
>>79331555
I thought the shire was supposed to be Switzerland since they remained neutral and didn't involve themselves with the troubles of the rest of middle earth
>>79324377
CS Lewis also does this in the Chronicles of Narnia
All of the main characters are English and they end up saving/ruling the whites in Narnia with an ally in Archenland, also white. The main enemies in the series are two evil witches and Calormenes, shitskins living south of Archenland beyond a massive desert.
In one book the shitskins try to invade but are sent packing and their king turned into a donkey by Aslan. Susan also gets denied into Narnia in the last book because she was a slut.
>>79331407
>Elves - pale and smug in their supposed superiority. Never do shit unless it affects them.
How so? Every elf who was like that feeds fish after first age
>Numenorean - powerful men from a far away land. that come to rule the land of men. Then lost it by mixing races
Pretty sure they lost it after they decided that it will be a great idea to worship Melkor and sacrifice humans, and invaded realm of gods
That moment when stupid people faping on some supremacist theories on the LOTR realize that the numenoreans speak a semitic language
>>79332181
> Susan also gets denied into Narnia in the last book because she was a slut.
Lel, I remember
Chief Remainer, JK Rowling had a fit about this
>>79332100
No The Shire, and The Hobbits, are the only things based entirely off of the real world insofar that they are Tolkien's idea of rural England and its people
>>79330254
What trace Scandinavian influence do you notice?
>>79332426
For exemple their architecture, the cairns, the housecarls...
It is clearly germanic but anglo saxons were germanic and scandinavian tribes so it is very close
>>79331628
Come on you can tell the shire of the north west represents his home and the further south east you go you find Mordor aka Ottoman Turks.
>>79331296
Yeah, Maiar are essentially lesser Valar.
Gandalf
Saruman
Radagast
Blue Wizards
All Maiar
>>79332290
Tolkien was deluded and had the jews in a great consideration. But he would be horrified if he knew what we know today about the semitic rat.
Lord of the Rings was just a rip on Icelandic and Nordic Mythology
The Chronicles of Narnia, on the other hand, are clearly about Muslims and Europe.
>>79332642
Yeah I understand the Northern Germanic intermixing but everything in general just stands out as clearly Anglo-Saxon minus cavalry
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/george-r-r-martin-the-rolling-stone-interview-20140423?page=4
>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
>The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that’s become the template. I’m not sure that it’s a good template, though. The Tolkien model led generations of fantasy writers to produce these endless series of dark lords and their evil minions who are all very ugly and wear black clothes. But the vast majority of wars throughout history are not like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3110466/Game-Thrones-creator-defends-rape-scenes-Author-says-dishonest-boring-leave-sexual-violence.html
>'But if you’re going to write about war, and you just want to include all the cool battles and heroes killing a lot of orcs and things like that and you don’t portray [sexual violence], then there’s something fundamentally dishonest about that.
>>79332100
Shire could be anything really, but the way it's depicted reminds more of 19th century Britain. Gondor is clearly Rome/Italy. Rohan, divided into Westfold and Eastfold with its marshalls, is a referance to the frankish kingdom, split into France and Germany.
Numerous medieval prophecies talk about how the jewish antichrist will raise an army and invade Italy and Rome, and that he will be thrown out by a christian army led by the great monarch.
>>79332670
He lived during the last century, did ww1 and was alive during WW2, a time where jews were supposed to control everything and still he wasn't antisemitic
But he didn't very like the latins it is the reason why there is not a southern european civilization like in the LOTR
>>79332746
Yes, it is more or less the anglo saxons
>>79332938
They did not know back then what we know about desert pigs today.
By the way, he supported Franco when he realized the republicans were burning churches and raping nuns.
But Tolkien was disturbed by the implications of an "Always Chaotic Evil" race. It conflicted with his Catholicism.
"As a devout Catholic who believed in spiritual salvation, the idea of a race of inherently or irredeemably evil creatures was one of Tolkien's major sticking points with his own work. He spent much of the latter part of his life as a writer trying to justify it. He never did come up with an explanation that satisfied him."
>>79332181
>Susan also gets denied into Narnia in the last book because she was a slut.
I thought she just forgot it existed?
>>79332426
everything here >>79332642 however the clearest example for me is the idea of Shield Maidens, which is a very viking thing to my knowledge.
I hear theres a lot about this in "A History Of Middle Earth Volume 8" however I don't own that series so it doesn't work as well
>>79332817
Tolkien clearly wanted to depict a classic good vs evil fight there
however he does go into corruption in The Silmarilion and even with Boromir and Denethor
>>79332867
>Gondor is clearly Rome/Italy.
Religion ]wise it was ancient Egypt(burial ceremonies and other shit)
Political wise it was more like Byzantine
>>79333098
So do you, you don't know how he would have think but remember that he died in 1973 so he knew our modern world
And the fact that he supported the spanish nationalist because of the red terror in spain prooves nothing but the fact that he was christian
>>79333237
>so it doesn't work as well
I meant to say "So I cant say as much"
Im a bit tired sorry lads
>>79324377
You know Saturns one name is Lord of the rings?
Google black cube.
>>79333112
That's because Tolkien wasnt redpilled about nephilim/reptiloids. Human-demon hybrids that look like humans on the outside but dont have a human soul and are completely demonic on the inside. Sons of satan, sons of belial.
There is simply a group of people who are destined to burn in 'the lake of fire and brimstone'. No matter what they do, they are automatically condemned. Note that not everyone who gets flung into hellfire never had a chance. Some simply screwed up too much.
This is one of the dirty little secrets that the church doesnt want to admit is true.
>>79333413
They didn't know back then in 1973 what we know about your despicable race today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0EllMDzq8M
>>79333701
>There is simply a group of people who are destined to burn in 'the lake of fire and brimstone'. No matter what they do, they are automatically condemned. Note that not everyone who gets flung into hellfire never had a chance. Some simply screwed up too much.
>This is one of the dirty little secrets that the church doesnt want to admit is true
And who are these people? Do they have a pair of 3 parenthesis?
>>79327066
Tolkien literally wrote a letter to nazi officials screening his book for publishing in Germany that he thought they were all faggots and had great respect for jews. He even said he was sorry he wasn't Jewish just to piss the nazis off.
>>79333798
Ok so because I say that hating the jews is stupid and pointless and tolkien wasn't antisemitic I'm a jew. LOL
Let me asking a question : are you inbred? Because it seems you are.
>>79333798
And Yom Kippour war occured in 1973 you idiot 'they didn't know back then', you are just trying to justify your lack of culture
>>79327022
He dies on the peak of Zirakzigil, similar to how Jesus is crucified on Mount Calvary. Gandalf's death allows the fellowship to escape Moria, and the fury of the Balrog. Remember the Balrog was only awoken because Durin's folk had got greedy while expanding the Mithril Mines. And that the fellowship would not have had to set out in the first place, had Isildur cast the ring into the fires of Mt. Doom when he had the chance.
He was also sent to Middle Earth by the Valar, who are more or less the "gods" of Middle Earth.
So, sent by gods, to counsel the good in their fight against evil, is sent by gods again after he dies as his mission is yet unfulfilled, this time with more authority than he had before.
>Gandalf got a lot more shit done than Jesus.
He really didn't. His greatest show of power is fighting a Balrog. Lesser Beings have accomplished the same task, see Glorfindel (an elf-lord) in "The Fall of Gondolin"
Otherwise, Gandalf is merely a voice of reason and good. He rallies Eomer's rohirrim, but that would not have been necessary had Theoden been smart enough to spot the treachery of Grima and Sarumon. He organizes the defense of Minas Tirith, but had Denethor not blamed Faramir for Boromir's death, or had Denethor allowed Faramir to go to Rivendell in Boromir's place, either of them could have done the same thing.
Gandalf does not often perform great shows of power because that is not his duty, The Istari were sent to specifically aid and counsel, not to lend their strength in an attempt to match Sauron's. This is why Sarumon loses favor with the Valar, and Gandalf breaks his staff. Sarumon ignored that directive, and as such, began to scheme to use the one ring to defeat Sauron and install himself as lord of Middle Earth.
This mirrors Jesus in a way. Yes, Jesus performed miracles to help those who needed help, but he praised those who had faith, who did not need to see great feats of power to believe Jesus to be the messiah.
>>79332817
Martin is such a fucking retard. The average fantasy reader reads fantasy to be immersed in the fantastical, not to be lectured on tax policies and the minute details of interactions between nations or, as Martin likes so much, to read three fucking pages of descriptions of a goddamn meal.
I don't want realism in my fantasy, I can read history for that. Or I can just watch the fucking news.
>>79333988
Not all jews are reptiloids. Sure seems like a disproportionate amount of them are, though. They are everywhere. Niggers in africa, nazis, you can even find them posing as christian priests or bishops. They are everywhere, simply everywhere. In some 'professions' like organized crime (especially drugs and human trafficking) they are overrepresented.
They are children of fornication though not every kid born out of wedlock is a reptiloid. Some arent even all that bad though none can be trusted. If you walk with God it is easy to spot them. He will simply tell you when you run across one of them.
I've had people openly admit to me what they are although I never even voiced a suspicion.
>>79334717
>I've had people openly admit to me what they are although I never even voiced a suspicion
>hello I'm a soulless human-demon hybrid how are you?
fuck off
>>79332817
>I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing.
>NOT.
>WORTH.
>DOING.
Gurrm btfo by JRRT from beyond the grave.
>>79334646
Jesus, high fantasy is fantasy for a fucking reason.
Martin is a confirmed retard. Without Tolkien he wouldn't exist.
Most people were bad goys prior to the second world war.
>>79324377
Almost everyone born before 1950 was redpilled.
>>79324377
>you're not allowed to have both low, dark fantasy and fantastical high fantasy
Kill yourself, all of you.
>>79334646
That fat fuck couldn't write political realism to save his life. Read any history and it instantly becomes obvious just how absurd his works are.
>>79334170
You didn't say that so far but ok.
I am saying jews are rats and I am sure Tolkien would hate them today. If you are not agree you don't know anything about Tolkien and his ideas.
> are you inbred?
Yes, I am half jew, thats why I know you are a jew. It takes one to know one.
>>79324377
He was Catholic.
>>79326652
>LOTR era
>Fuckin faggots, gotta bomb iraqistan for muh oil, white men better quarterbacks
>Hobbit era
>JUST
>>79328191
And if he saw into the future, he would likely have dropped the snippy tone and saw it from Germany's perspective.
That said, I still like Tolkien.
no, the lord of the rings is the blue pilled version of the Nibelungenlied.
protip: the dwarfs are jews. In the ring cycle, they are exploitive usurers who hate the world because they cannot achieve love. In Tolkein, they are zionists.
Pic related: why the jew rages.
>>79331555
Great post, Deutschland.
https://www.amazon.com/Tolkiens-Failed-Quest-Michael-Jones-ebook/dp/B00UNCO6VY
E michael jones, the last gentleman scholar, will tell you the score. Basically tolkein loved the wagnerian ring cycle, but as a member of the ETERNAL ANGLO, he couldn't abide its obvious antisemiticism. So he decided to do an obvious fanfiction of it in THE HOBBIT. But rather than Albreich the treacherous usurer dwarf-jew, he makes the dwarfs nationless displaced people, who desire to regain their homeland from the dragon.
Basically, because anglos LOVE LOVE LOVE jews, he turned them from kikes into burly zionists.
>>79341120
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuzdul
>Tolkien noted some similarities between Dwarves and Jews: both were "at once natives and aliens in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue…".[1] Tolkien also commented of the Dwarves that "their words are Semitic obviously, constructed to be Semitic."[2] Tolkien based Dwarvish language on the Semitic languages. Like these, Khuzdul has triconsonantal roots: kh-z-d, b-n-d, z-g-l. Also other similarities to Hebrew in phonology and morphology have been observed.[3][4]
>Although only a very limited vocabulary is known, Tolkien mentioned that he had developed the language to a certain extent. It is unknown whether such writings still exist.[5]
Now you know why they needed prosthetic noses in the movies.
>>79332817
>>79335660
>>79335926
Martin is the most pretentious fucking person on the planet. Game of Thrones is Lord of the Rings for nihilist liberal cuckolds. It replaces good vs. evil with progressive wet dreams vs patriarchy, skips over battles so he can spend two pages talking about the size of the dick on the big brown warrior about to rape Dany, and his fictional civilizations are just a mix of progressive propaganda (Westeros, the war-torn, superstitious shithole, is Christian Europe) and just mashing together features of completely unrelated cultures onto a continent that is basically giant Britain.
>>79324377
>redpilled
>worships a Jew
Also the guy was so afraid of technology that he performed an exorcism on a tape recorder.
>Dwarves are obviously jews and they are based
>hordes of the east aka mudslimes aka jew enemies are demonized
he was a good goy if anything
>>79325417
Plausible deniability
>>79327794
Oh, please, Narnia is such blatant allegory I can't stand the stories. Too much *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* Aslan is Jesus shit.
LOTR is a good story that stands on it's own without making my eyes roll every few pages.
Plus I hate fictional precocious unrealistic kids...and he makes them rulers, kings and queens. Ugh.
>>79324377
No. He was an eccentric linguist with too much time on his hand while he was fighting for the motherland, so he created a language and build some mythology around it.
>>79324377
Yes but he was writing about the Germans during the war. One of the most obvious allegories is the eagles snatching victory against the logistical odds like the Royal Air Force. Plus that eastern alliance is totally the Japs. Closest thing mudslimes have is chinese charity in anticipation for WW3.
>>79328352
>khand
Kek, Australia's dignity subtly enroached on.
>>79342397
This.
>Game of Thrones is Lord of the Rings for nihilist liberal cuckolds.
Thats why they always praise this serie because "Uh, the heroes die too, everyone is a shit, best serie ever!!111"
>>79324377
If anything it reflects his experiences as a signals officer on the western front in WW1 which he left for with two close friends and his batman.
Fact.
The only red pill being taken is Russia far right propaganda, they also do a blue pill which is far left.
Take either and you are a kremlin useful idiot.
![220px-Silmarillion[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/2nrAN4x.png "220px-Silmarillion[1].png")
>>79326033
>>79344910
>Thats why they always praise this serie because "Uh, the heroes die too, everyone is a shit, best serie ever!!111"
when I started reading the idea that every character could die was an attraction
I dropped it because I realised it was losing all real substance, turning into a "FUCK THE PATRIARCHY" pile of horseshit, and that I was no longer surprised when major characters died because of how fucking frequent it is
For instance when Edd dies its a gut wrenching scene and you were not expecting it.
He leaves you just enough hope that he can survive to honestly think it ends well then he tears it all down
its a well written in death (credit where credit is due) but the only interesting thing is the fucking deaths, not how they die or why, but WHO.
Hell other than that the most interesting part of the series is Danaerys fucking everything up at every opportunity despite being handed the world on a platter
Fuck the series, really.
>>79342397
Why is the show so popular then?
>>79327410
Isn't Tolkien long dead? Or is this some Mandela shit on steroids.
>>79345789
>Russel Howard's Good News is popular in this country
I'm beyond trying to answer these questions
>>79345789
Don't get me wrong, GOT isn't bad and it is great compared to most of the shit shows out there. But the fact he takes a shot at Tolkien who basically created modern high fantasy is retarded as fuck
