So I'm going to live in the netherlands this summer as a student that is legally of dutch nationality, and since I'm looking on the politics so that I can choose wisely on who to vote for in the future I was wondering what you locals think of the PVV, would you vote for them?
>>79301173
No, I'm voting for VNL, basically PVV but without the bad reputation and a non-retard economy plan. PVV is just immigrants out REEEE. VNL is immigrants out REEEE + more. Which is what I prefer.
IMMIGRANTS OUT REEEEEEEEEEE
IMMIGRANTS OUT REEEEEEEEEEE + MORE
>>79301802
> voting for VNL
may as well throw your vote directly to the garbage
>>79301802
>>79301921
I can always count on my countrymen
>>79301593
Will VNL form a coalition with PVV, or is that off the table?
I'd vote tactically for whoever is likely to handle the immigration issue. Like Trump and the Republicans aren't perfect, but they seem willing to stop the invasion, which is the most important issue here in 2016
>>79301593
> muh bad reputation
why do you care about what the leftist media thinks of your party?
Just look at what happened with the BNP: as soon as they collapsed the UKIP became the new nazis.
caring about what the media think is a lossing move
>>79302169
Adding to that, the traditional media is by leftists for leftists.
No one believes what they see on TV anymore.
>>79302126
PVV, VNL and SGP are the ones willing to stop the invasion. They'd probably work together if forced to, but don't think it will ever come to that. Either VNL or PVV will get into the coalition, then with another (likely left) political party that probably doesn't want to work with either, but will anyway. Then it's just a coin toss to decide if the invasion will stop.
>>79301173
Don't expect any party to win as heve a retarded system where you need 2 or 3 parties to form a coalition, and there is not a single combination possible where all parties would not have to fuck over their voters.
>>79301173
PVV and VNL are the best choices to retain our nation, but as >>79301986 said, VNL is very irrelevant. Out of all the big parties, the PVV is the best choice at the moment.
That said, they are more of a single-issue party and I don't really like some of their economic and environmental policies.
>>79301593
Except, VNL is not a big party at all and not gaining much ground while PVV is bound to be the biggest party next year.
Vote PVV if you want change, idiot
>>79301173
Fuck off back to your own country.
>>79302350
I have not seen much of a push from the SGP to do something about immigration desu
Christians, even traditionalist ones, are waaay too sentimentalist and moralistic as to let people drown in the mediterranean
>>79302478
Not sure what I will end up voting for in the end. But if VNL is still as irrelevant as it is today come voting day. I'll most likely vote PVV so that we have a chance at stopping the invasion. I still prefer VNL though.
>>79302478
>PVV if you want change
Except Wilders doesn't even want to rule.
Too much work, rather stays in the opposition where it's easy going.
>>79302350
Don't forget 50+, they will get a handful of seats next year.
They're anti-EU and anti-asylum.
>>79302769
"le cordon sanitaire exists because Wilders memed it xD" meme
>>79302769
>Wilders doesn't even want to rule.
https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/712351968619073537
>>79302504
Netherlands is my country friendo, I am actually dutch.
>>79301593
I would like to vote VNL. Will wait for the polls before the election and when they won't get a seat I'll vote PVV instead. Also, VNL will have to declare they would work with PVV because otherwise I might just as well burn my vote.
Voted VVD all my life, economic politics of VNL is more my thing than PVV.
I'm on business in Germany by the way.
>>79302915
>Rutte 1
>cordon sanitaire
>>79302769
>>79302923
Also
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2015/10/democratie___daar_moet_een_piemel_in.html
"Ik zou niets liever doen dan de premier worden van een kabinet Wilders 1 als dat hem zou gaan worden"
>>79303073
PVV sends a clearer "fuck immigration" message than the "we are le moderate concerned voice" VNL meme
I don't know why people here in /pol/ of all places seem to think that economics are more revelant for voting than immigration when central banks are the ones that define economic policy anyways
Not even the french socialists could get pass the central banking firewall when they tried to increase taxes
>>79303274
Cmon lad, you know it's there after MINDER
>>79302169
Because reputation also influences votes dipshit
>>79302719
Same as I said >>79303073
I am afraid that before the election, VNL seems relevant and then on election day everybody just goes for VVD again, thus voiding my vote :(
>>79303274
how many ministers did PVV get?
oh right, zero, they were never invited to the cabinet
why would you blaming for saying "fuck that" is beyond me
>>79303307
Totdat er bezuinigd moet worden.
Dan is het huilie huilie, nieuwe verkiezingen, en PvdA weer aan de macht.
Sooo, what's teirh actual immigration policies? both of PVV and VNL? can't find anything substancial on the internet
>>79303384
Protip: Any relevant right-wing party will immediatly get a bad reputation by the media, every error will be magnified, every policy will be denounced in the most explicit way
People that care about mainstream reputation are not people that are going to vote for VNL or to anything of the right of VVD - CDA
>>79303487
>panama
shouldn't you be be harvesting cocaine or something?
>>79301173
>Italy
Europeans are welcome, if you're willing to adjust and not fuck any niggers or mudkikes, otherwise you gotta go back.
>>79303487
>how many ministers did PVV get?
One: Uri Rosenthal (minister of sucking up to Israel)
>>79303671
should you be consuming it? lel
>>79303733
u wut
Uri Rosenthal was VVD
>>79303642
0 asylumseekers with closed borders, only regular legal migration allowed.
>>79303355
VNL has a very clear 'fuck immigration' message, they just don't scream as loud which makes them votable for middle class. Also, their economics are pretty sound.
I'm imaging a coalition of PVV, VNL and VVD with all the leftist fucktards of VVD flushed out...
It'll probably be SP, PvdA, VVD, D66 though, running the country directly into the ground.
>>79301173
>>79301593
I would vote for the VNL but they have no shot. Vote for the PVV if you want actual change.
>>79303671
Het is een proxy.
Aan zijn slechte Engels te zien is het een Arubaan, oftewel bosneger.
>>79303751
dude coke lmao
>>79303801
> only regular legal migration allowed.
PVV wants to stop chain-migration as welll (which has been the mainb driver of the growth of the morroccan community since the 60s)
>>79303805
>SP
>in a coalition with VVD/D66
I think you mean GL
>>79303831
This is exactly the mentality that ensures that they have no shot. If everyone that agrees with VNL more than PVV would actually vote for VNL, they might easily get some seats and could form a coalition.
>>79303805
> they just don't scream as loud
aka: they won't reform chain migration, leading to the same endless growth of moroccans that was happening before the refugee crisis
>>79303914
VVD in an extreme case. I think they would throw overboard all their principles just to stay in the government.
D66, sure why not? That party is leftist as fuck anyway.
>>79303800
Wilders demanded he'd got the job.
He's very close to Wilders and just as much of an Israel supporter.
>>79303937
That's great and all but nobody is going to do that. It's much more important to me on the short term that the PVV is large enough so that the VVD is forced into a coalition with them.
They don't have a shot this election maybe next. So few people have actually ever heard of the party.
>>79304017
SP is fiercely anti-EU, D66 are eurofederalists. And they are complete polar opposites of the VVD in every single way.
They're not gonna find common ground lad. GL is the new PVDA, they're a much better option for a purple coalition.
>>79304145
>Groenlinks
Groenlinks would be the absolute worst. They are the ultimate cucks.
Zijn er plekken waar je rechtse pamfletten en stickers kunt kopen in Nederland om te verspreiden?
Ik wil ze over antifa propaganda gaan heenplakken, het liefst met een scheermes er onder en de pamfletten overal neerleggen.
>>79304017
SP member here, the D66 are a bunch of classical liberals with some hip and progressive themes. They fucked over students and the middle class and are scum. Most elitist party in the whole of the Netherlands
>>79304118
You seem to believe that Uri Rosenthal was an outside of the VVD that randomly got the job because of Wilders
That is really not the case, specially given that he was the senate leader of VVD all the way back to 2005
>>79304319
>fucked over student
I'm a student and I really don't mind lending some money and paying it back later with no interest. Why do we deserve free gibsmedat?
>>79304319
>SP member here
>>79304145
>D66 are eurofederalists. And they are complete polar opposites of the VVD
Yet they are in the same EU fraction (ELDR).
In reality VVD is extremely pro-EU
The EU freedom of settlement rule that triggered the Brexit was made by a VVD member, for example.
They just don't want to admit to their pro-mass migration, pro EU meddling stance anymore because it means losing votes to Wilders.
Vote to machen europa great again
>>79304293
Cute animu
>>79304599
Hitler fucking despised the Swiss though.
>>79304419
Because of the jewish bank system there is no loan without interests or payments.
>>79304599
As long as you're not leading, not gonna let you guys fuck up Europe for a 5th time.
>>79304574
How things have changed.
If only Verdonk had won the VVD leadership election back then.
>>79301173
If you're a student you're most likely not going to find people that support ome Geert or the PVV. I used to be really into Geert aswell untill I actually met people who vote PVV and discovered that they all have an IQ under 90 and work minimum wage jobs. No smart person will take you serious if you say you vote PVV.
>>79304373
He still got the job to please Wilders.
But the real point is: Wilders was yielding tremendous power over Rutte 1.
He insulted Rutte and the next day it was Rutte who had to apologize to Wilders. - that says it all.
And he let it all go becasue he's too scared of responsibilities.
Wilders will never accept a real position.
He has never even worked a day in his life you know? (except for unpaid labor for his Jewish masters).
>>79304571
just being honest m8
>>79304319
Its preventing alot of people from lower backgrounds (yes foreigners aswell) to study and better their position. I can say this as someone whos father was a construction worker and mom a housewife. If i would have gotten 30 000 debt my parents wouldnt have me study, rather work.
>>79303937
But it looks like not many people actually agree with VNL, but obviously I don't know all that much about it, it's just my impression
>>79304964
Nah you don't understand students in the Netherlands can lend with barley no interest for their education. That is the new system. Instead of getting it all for free.
>>79305106 was meant for:
>>79304419
>NSB'ers the thread
>>79305026
If she had, most of the prominent VVD members would have switched to D66.
>>79304127
I'm afraid that PVV alone would fuck up majorly on economic policy, then we'd be back at PvdA, GroenLinks and CDA next term.
I agree that things need to happen on the short term concerning immigration, but VNL and PVV have nearly identical standpoints on immigration, they disagree on economic policy.
>mfw cummed inside a 1m74 blonde blue eyed thin modeling dutch girl that is in my class 4 hours ago
>>79305026
>If only Rita had won
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXQAYlCoYDE
We could've prevented this.
>>79305228
And we, the electorate, would have had an actual conservative party to vote for.
>>79304986
But it was basically austria at the helm both times.
>>79305134
that's because no one knows about VNL. They sit in the Kamer because they stole seats, not because someone voted for VNL. They are doing their best to get known right now but PVV shits all over their nuances standpoints and just go IMMIGRANTS OUT REEEE
>>79305067
I have an IQ of 116 and make 800k a year, nice bait.
>>79305106
>Its preventing alot of people from lower backgrounds (yes foreigners aswell) to study and better their position
No sorry but it does not. It not just any loan it's a loan on very fair terms. You have to pay next to no interest and if you're unable find a job you don't have to payback anything at all.
So how does it prevent anyone from getting an education? even if you get some meme-degree you can still get out for free. If anything it just taxes the people that actually work more.
>>79305292
you have to be tall for modelling though
>>79305424
The only conservative party in the Netherlands is the SGP.
We only have neoliberals and nationalist socialists on the right side.
>>79305638
this. confirmed lie or hobbyist model.
>>79304986
That made me chuckle
>>79305067
>I used to be really into Geert aswell untill I actually met people who vote PVV and discovered that they all have an IQ under 90 and work minimum wage jobs.
le ebin "I agree with that party but fuck it! it gets supports from the white working class! HOW IT DARES! We don't wanna be like THOSE people... refugees welcome btw" meme
> mfw /pol/ is inflitrated with self-righteous leftists
>>79301593
Vote PVV, coward, they need enough votes. Don't waste that shit on VNL.
>>79301173
How are you going to vote? Are you going to use your friend's right to vote? That's fine, I guess, and yes, vote PVV.
Voting anything else makes you a cuck and a part of the problem.
>>79305706
>conservative
conserve what? Our constitution does not even protect freedom of speech or the right to self-preservation. Got nothing proud to conserve.
>>79305610
>No sorry but it does not.
Haven't university applications dropped dramatically?
And isn't it mostly children from low income families who aren't applying anymore?
>>79305067
Yes I am a student, my mother is dutch and she says Geert is the dutch version of Trump
I personally could give a shit if people take me seriously or not, it's just that I don't want to get expelled for hate speech or some shit
>>79305936
>Haven't university applications dropped dramatically?
Some have that is true but that is not because of the law that is because people don't understand the way it works. read my previous comment. Even if you fail to get a job you can get off scot-free so how exactly is it unfair?
>>79305106
>Being honest
I'm being honest that you should be hanged, landverrader.
Socialism will lead to communism, that's part of their beliefs, you literally want to subject your fellow countrymen to hell on earth.
My girlfriend is Serbian and she and her parents escaped the hell her parets had to go through in Serbia, half her family was slaughtered for being Christians you fucking goof.
You're voting for a party that received money from Mao, the biggest genocidal maniac who has ever lived, you deserve to be kicked out of the Netherlands and thrown out of an airplane above Venezuela.
>>79304663
Hitler loved all Germanics, you clown. He even tried to meet peace treaties with the UK.
>>79305964
Vote for the PVV and tell your mother she should vote VNL because they are good goys that refused to support his 'MINDER MINDER' speech that'll have the best chance of convincing her if she's a cucky leftist.
>>79305964
>she says Geert is the dutch version of Trump
Why don't people realise Trump is the 'merican version of Geert?
>>79306219
Trump is a crappy imitation tho
>>79305610
>how does it prevent anyone from getting an education?
It doesn't, but it removes a lot of its rewards.
Young people can choose:
- work right away, and have a super comfy young adulthood.
- study and don't get any real money until you're too old to really enjoy it.
Tell us about Geert. How based i he?
>>79306153
forgive me senpai I just looked it up must've been indoctrination by the Dutch Education system.
MINDER
MINDER
MINDER MAROKKANEN
>>79306072
>that is not because of the law that is because people don't understand the way it works
Then it's still because of the law.
>>79304964
>Because of the laws of economics there is no loan without interests or payments.
ftfy
>>79305721
>>79305638
yes she is an hobbyist model, she is studying
>>79306367
He is an actual dutch nationalist
PVV even has links with the afrikaaners and wants to make them easier to return should things go south over there
SGP are way too christian to care about nationalism, and VNL is the Ted Cruz of Netherlands
>>79306506
VNL is more the John Kasich as in noone has ever heard of them
>>79306506
More like the Kasich.
No one knows who they are and they have no leadership.
>>79306367
Stormweenies and alt-righters hate him because muh Jewish ancestors and part indonesian.
Lefties call him a populist and a scary nationalist.
New-Right and identitarians love him, he's much better than Trump but don't tell anyone or the lefties and kebabs will try to kill him again.
>>79306581
this desu
>>79306327
I don't think you read the entire comment chain so let me sum it up.
>Socialist Dutchanon said Leenstelsel screws over students
>I explain that it's not preventing anyone form getting an education anymore like the last system it's fair that I have to pay back what society gives me.
I wasn't endorsing getting an education over working.
>>79306298
But still a majority of their viewpoints are the same mainly on immigration. and Wilder's twitter is a crappy imitation of Trump..
>>79306619
Mijn neger
>>79301986
>not wanting Louis Bontes to stay in parliament
He's one of the only real niggas in there, we need him.
>>79301593
VNL seems like a good party, but I think it's important to present one large party against the leftist cunts. I will probably vote PVV. But I do hope VNL will draw ex-VVD voters who feel uncomfortable with the PVV because they've been cucked so long.
>>79303801
Also he said that Muslim that already live in the netherlands can stay as long as they adapt
>>79306072
>how exactly is it unfair?
It's not that unfair by itself, but your generation is getting cucked.
I'm actually happy: little student loans (payed it all off already) and no taxes to pay for the education of millennials.
For me it's a total win.
>>79306771
This is completely reasonable as far as I'm concerned.
But this condition
>as long as they adapt
Is of paramount importance.
>>79306667
> a majority of their viewpoints are the same
Not really
Wilders is far more social libertarian than trump, i can't imagining supporting him anything resembling the patriotic act like Trump does
> mainly on immigration
I disagree here too. trump was a temporary ban on muslim immigrants from syria. Geert wants something completely different: a permanent end to muslim mass immigration
>>79306768
This is the best strategy honestly.
Vote for PVV and convince anyone uncomfortable to vote Geert to cast their ballot for the VNL.
>>79306667
Can someone please photoshop a make the netherlands great again hat on Geertje?
>>79301173
I wouldn't vote for the PVV, they are just a bunch of populist scare mongers out for power. Their party isn't democratically structured so how would you expect they would run the country? Also they had their share of power and when it became politically to hard for them they backed out and we had to vote a new government.
To bad there are a fair share of Dutch people who would for the PVV.
Both are supporting Israel, and although I am indifferent about that country, I have no idea why dutch parties have to have that in their program.
So I am thinking I am voting for the Pirate party again.
>>79306450
I don't understand why you were arguing with me in the first place then. Or why you vote SP.
>>79306988
> populist scare mongers
What does that even mean?
Is getting support from the working class a sin now?
Is pointing out that islamic countries suck a sin as well?
>>79306667
Wilders is a socialists.
Trump is a capitalist.
Wilders has lived off the government his entire life.
Trump has build an empire.
Wilders is married to an Eastern European immigrant
Trump...ok they are a bit the same I guess.
>>79306868
How do you mean exactly?
>>79306988
>too much of a cuck to mention who he's even voting for
pathetic. It's easy to be contrarian.
>>79307093
Not the same person.
Look at the ID's.
>>79307066
They are the biggest cucks in Dutch politics. Even worse than GL.
>>79306868
Yeah there should be some proposals made rather than just saying "adapt or gtfo". Could start with simple shit; no preaching in foreign language in mosques, no shady money streams from the mid-east, no double nationalities, no headrags in public functions, etc.
>>79306988
>Their party isn't democratically structured so how would you expect they would run the country?
It has to way that way when it comes to far right policies
Democratic far-right parties end up infiltrated, destroyed or made harmless (ie the republicans in germany, the True Finns and Sweden Democrats under the rule of the new "moderates")
>>79307275
* It has to be that way
>>79306881
>>79307110
They seemed so close my bad.
>>79307114
Do you speak Dutch, abide by Dutch laws and respect Dutch customs?
If you are then you're Dtuch.
Of course I don't want to speak on behalf of the Dutch but that's the kind of question I'd be asking here.
>>79307261
I completely agree.
>>79306450
>Then it's still because of the law.
Listen we can argue semantics all we want but the law itself shouldn't cause a drop in enrollments. It just did because people are idiots and don't understand it.
>>79307424
Mainly because the media sells the image that everyone to the right of Ted Cruz is a shapeless blob of evil nazi clones that agree on everything kek
>>79307436
Not yet, yes and yes.
Is that good enough for you?
>>79306988
>Populist
Can lefties pleae stop using that word, it's fucking annoying, just be honest how you really feel about them instead of cowering behind the word populist.
>>79306506
>>79306634
He sounds alright. I hope wins next election. Make it happen dutchbroes
>>79307567
Welkom
>>79304419
>I dont mind starting out with a debt that will influence the height of my mortgage
Cuck
>>79307436
> Do you speak Dutch, abide by Dutch laws and respect Dutch customs? If you are then you're Dtuch.
The thing I have never liked about civic nationalism is that it implies that a dutch man that lives in Poland, speaks polish and follow polish laws is not a dutch person anymore, but an arab that learned dutch and follows whatever policies the current government is implementing is a true Dutch
>>79304006
VNL recently spoke out against chain-migration, in particular and most relevant, family reunification, because it increases chances of failing integration into society. They pretty much took a shit on proposals for legislature that was designed to make family reunification top priority instead of integration/assimilation into society.
www vnl nu/uncategorized/vnl-scherp-inburgering-aan/
>>79307822
>but an arab that learned dutch and follows whatever policies the current government is implementing is a true Dutch
I think it runs deeper than that. Government policy can't replace culture, and it can't enforce it either.
>>79307822
Civic nationalism is the only feasible position to take in public life without being a social pariah. And even then many leftists will still hate your guts.
>>79307864
I stand corrected then
Last time I had checked their website i had seen no references to chain migration, which was dissapointing
>>79303729
your old flag is pretty
>>79307934
What is culture tho?
It would be funny if the arab had to dress himselkf as Zwarte Piet to deserve being called a true Dutchman lol
>>79308027
Thanks England, it's impossible to fly because it gets you branded a nazi right away.
I have one in my room though, lefties can try but I'm not giving it up, it's far prettier.
Afrikaners don't give a shit though, they fly it high.
>>79308027
Geert Wilders tried to reintroduce it. Leftists called him a neo-nazi because allegedly some NSB-er once also flew the flag above some building.
>>79308027
they need to bring it back
there are waaaaaaaaayy too many blue white red flags, including mine and yours kek
>>79307689
>>79307822
I was born and grew up in Italy from an Italian father and a dutch mother, I have a dutch passport and half of my family is dutch. You can consider me to be dutch or not, worthy of living in your country or not, but the truth is that I don't intend to come to your country to cause damage or even controversy. If I'm going there is because I think that the Netherlands is a better country than Italy so I'm not the one who's going there to change it, and this goes out to all dutch people in this thread.
>>79308233
Ours is the oldest red-white-blue flag still in use and also the oldest tricolour.
Original flag colours DO NOT STEAL.
>>79301173
I'm in your country for 2 year and a half and didn't even bother to learn a sentence of dutch aside hoi hoe gaat het ;-)
>>79308008
Yeah, their website is a bit lacking in detailing their policies, I agree. This will hopefully change in the coming months.
>>79308366
Of course, I am not talking about people that are actually half-dutch, which obviously would fit as part of the dutch nation state
i was talking about a random arab being more dutch than you are if he learns the language and follows whatever rules the current government makes
>>79307632
>>79307102
He claims to speak for the people, that is the definition of populist you idiots.
>>79301173
>geert
controlled opposition to get the rightwingers to shill for kikes instead of focusing on bettering the nation
>>79308485
Once met some English guy that had been living in this country for 10 fucking years ever since he was a teen and he did not speak Dutch.
>>79307822
It's about being a member of the group or not.
If you leave the group for too long we grow apart so you're no longer considered one of us.
Pretending Dutch culture is a stationary thing is literally retarded.
>>79308512
I know, I was actually talking to everybody, I pointed you out cause you seemed to agree with me
>>79308518
> He claims to speak for the people
Every single party does that
What kind of party would say "akthually we only speak for interest groups"
(outside of the pensioners party of course)
>>79308626
I'm paying 52% taxes if that can make you feel better
>>79308628
> If you leave the group for too long we grow apart so you're no longer considered one of us.
Are afrikaaners NOT dutch then?
>>79308578
>Le ebil nazis
Nigga the Germans killed 75 percent of all the Dutch jews, most of the jews we have left are centered in one area and aren't even following the dogmas.
The muh jews meme really needs to stop if we ever want to get anything done, you can't sell hate.
>>79301173
I will not. After much deliberation and research I've come to realize that the PVV doesn't care about anything but immigration. Everyone in the party but WIlders is retarded. Any of your fellow Dutchmen put on NPO Politiek and you will see that the PVV barely speaks on anything or even attends the meetings in the first place and when they do, it's something you've already read in the newspapers.
>>79308809
nope
>>79306097
What does the yugoslavian civil war, Which was nastionalistic and ethnic in nature, in which both sides did terrible things, have to do with me voting SP?
Secondly
> mad about a murdering dictator
> posts one himself
Dropped in Venezuela? How does that work? Venezuela is the most socialist country after cuba in south America. Ur logic is fucked.
Also you sound pretty triggered? Is of cause you have no luck getting real white women and have to live in the constant hypocrisy of having a foreign girlfriend as a nationalist?
>>79308578
Memes aside what's wrong with the Jews or at least Israel? We were always very accepting of Jews except that one time with Germany.
>>79308628
Of course the culture changes, but not always in a way that is desirable, and it changes mostly in superficial ways. 450 years ago when our country was founded we had a reputation for being an open and free society. During our entire history this has not changed. The root stays the same.
>>79308909
hhmm
well I imagine an argument could be made that they are now a different ethnic group
>>79308796
Honestly if you're paying taxes and not being a open borders retard I don't care if you speak Dutch or not. I think this might be one of the few non-English countries in the world where you can do fine by just speaking English because everyone else can too.
>>79308809
they're brothers, but they're not dutch
>>79309023
>>79308909
Wouldn't you welcome them back tho? I would.
>>79308736
Most parties refer to their party politics or supporters most of the time and sometimes claim to speak for the people. The PVV claims to speak for the people all the time. I think the Socialist party does the same, I don't claim that though.
>>79308809
It would be insulting to them to call them Dutch. Our government abandoned them two centuries ago, they went their own way.
>>79309092
I would, but I would let them keep their identity.
>>79308943
>>79308906
kys, flikkers.
>>79309092
I'm totally in favour of Afrikaners having the right to return to the Netherlands.
Even the Flemish are significantly different to the Dutch but that doesn't change the fact that I'd happily see Flanders incorporated into the Netherlands.
Good to see there are a bunch of redpilled Dutch people out there. I can only get news from the Netherlands through the press, and we all know what a bunch of lying sacks of shit they are.
Also you need a fucking prime minister with a backbone so shit like this doesn't happen again.
http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/bijna-oorlog-met-venezuela-na-neerstorten-mh17~aee2027e/
>Netherlands arrests Venezuelan
>Venezuela says give him back
>Netherlands says no
>Venezuela sends warships in threatening direction
>HERE HAVE HIM BACK PLS DONT SHOOT!
The Netherlands got cucked by Venezuela.
Motherfucking broke as fuck the people ready to have a revolution Venezuela.
Kanker Rutte.
>>79309343
Woah rare flag
>>79309343
Please dont bomb Venezuela
all the refugees are going to end up here
>>79309194
>De Joden dwingen besnijdenissen op Nederlandse jongetjes
>>79309259
Flanders needs to be its own country, I would say the divergence between Dutch and Flemish is as large as the one between Austria and Germany
>>79309343
What do most people in Aruba think of the Dutch and our Union? Fucking hell I didn't even hear Venezuela did that.
http://www.npo.nl/live/npo-nieuws
Ik kan godverdomme wel janken. Waarom geven we hier geld aan uit? Scheeuwende en fluitende en jammerende negers en iedereen besteed hier tijd en geld aan terwijl het live op een nationaal kanaal uitgezonden wordt.
Godverdomme kut.
>>79309527
zouden ze doen als ze ermee weg konden komen. zie de VS
>>79308937
>What does the yugoslavian civil war, Which was nastionalistic and ethnic in nature, in which both sides did terrible things, have to do with me voting SP?
Anecdotal, commies killed a bunch of people though and surpressed a lot of beliefs as they did everywhere, socialism is the first step to communism but you know that already.
>mad about a murdering dictator
>posts one himself
Didn't have any better anti-pinko memes available, I do not support Franco.
Then again my entire party isn't build on the back of one so what do I have to defend?
>Muh foreign girlfriend
I'm a European nationalist and part of the identitarian new-right, you're mistaking me for something I'm not.
I don't give a shit about inter-European mixing as Europeans have little differences culturally, religiously and genetically.
Besides the Netherlands is one genetic mixture anyway, the only identity we really share is some form of Germanic blood and European genetics and identity.
>>79307822
it is crutch for practicability
you will be "true dutch" in institutions, most dutchmen will still consider you something else.
>>79309622
I don't see why we can't give them special status like the Scottish get. Flemish aren't actually leftists cucks like the Scotts so we would have a right wing revolution here if they ever join.
>>79309622
It would of course be in a federal state. Next to language and similarity in culture there is also the economic picture.
Rotterdam and Antwerp under the same flag? Yes please, maybe we can actually tell Germany to fuck off for a change.
>>79308809
>Are afrikaaners NOT dutch then?
Nope. While the Afrikaans language and modern Dutch are mutually intelligible, they are very different languages. And the culture of the people reflects this. Afrikaners are more like what Dutch people used to be like two or more centuries ago. Even their writing reflects this.
They are however brothers and any Dutch person that isn't firmly bluepilled will feel saddened when they hear what is happening to the Afrikaners.
>>79309723
Hij geeft letterlijk toe dat Amsterdam geen Nederlandse stad meer is kek
>>79309092
No because we're full.
>>79308578
always this
>>79309914
Toen ik dit net begon te kijken dacht ik serieus dat dit zich afspeelde in Suriname oid. Er was een dikke negerin die verschikkelijk lelijk stond te "zingen" in het afrikaans of surinaams of een andere zwarte taal.
Vijfde kruistocht wanneer?
>>79309628
>Post from Curaçao
>What do people on Aruba think
Kek
In all seriousness we don't care too much over here. We can go our own way and do our own things. While you just secure our independence.
There is a small group of people that are "Netherlands REEEEEEE" but when they got in the government it ruined the economy and shit up. So we voted them out and shit is looking a lot better now. Their leader even got arrested for corruption.
>>79309723
Waar kijk ik naar?
>>79310330
De vijfde colonne.
>>79310330
Slavernij herdenking. Om een een of andere reden moeten mensen een periode van 400 jaar geleden waarin andere mensen met dezelfde huidskleur nog moesten werken herdenken. Ik snap het zelf ook niet helemaal.
Wanneer komt die rassenoorlog nou?
Ik wil op makakken plattrappen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTkuC33PtoE
>>79310601
>400 jaar geleden
153
Ik zou het OK vinden als het niet gewoon blanken bashen was.
>>79309723
kek
NEDERLAND JA?
>>79310758
> Rottersadam
kek
>>79310758
>Hamastricht
>Imamsterdam
My fucking sides.
>>79310601
Where those protestors on the background or just random idiots?
>>79310601
Toen mijn vriendin op bezoek op het eiland kwam gingen we naar het slavernij museum hier. Oftewel de "Good Old Times Museum" zoals zij het noemde.
Dit museum is feitelijk en zegt duidelijk dat de Afrikaners zelf mede verentwoordelijk zijn voor de slavernij. Er wordt ook vermeldt hoe de moslims europeanen tot slaaf maakten.
mfw this will never be in a school history book
>>79302923
Zo iets mag je niet zeggen in duitsland. Het es geweldig dat je veel meer vrijheid hebt.
In Duitsland zeggen ze altijd dat het grootste bedreiging rechtpopulismus is en dat de mensen op social media vrij naar hun zin praaten.
Het is helemaal niet leuk om hier te leven. +
2017 Holland voor mij
>>79310758
>Shoarnhem
>>79310946
No they are mad that they're doing this today instead of tomorrow for some reason. Historically this used to be done on the first of July. That somehow justifies picketing your own forefathers' remembrance.
>>79311035
based Museum. which based fucker managed to set that up without getting shut down?
>>79311118
Wait.. those were blacks doing that shit?
>De demonstranten houden voor de herdenking vast aan de historische datum van 1 juli.
>Schrijfster Astrid H. Roemer, dit jaar winnaar van de PC Hooftprijs, begon aan een toespraak. Ze zei dat lawaai de boze geesten wegjaagt.
>>79310758
>Besnijmegen
>>79311112
Die vlag is trouwens best wel cool. Is het leuk in Curacao? Ik ben er nog nooit geweest. Hoe zit het daar met internet en werkgelegenheid?
>>79308366
You're welcome to stay, bro.
>>79311209
Obviously. If white people were picketing this event a full out race war would start.
>>79308366
You just want to leech off our system.
Fuck off, we're full.
Fix your own country instead of dragging mine down.
>>79309723
>Institutionalized racism
Jesus fucking christ this shit coming over here too now? Fuck American blacks.
>institutioneel racisme
Hij zegt het gewoon. Ik hoopte dat het langer duurde voor ik dat voor het eerst in het Nederlands hoorde.
>>79308366
no worries Italy bro, one of my friends is half Italian half Dutch and also came to Holland to study. Italians and Italy are great
>>79311524
>Ze moeten eerst precies uitleggen wat er gaat gebeuren want anders snappen de aanwezigen het niet
Jesus.
>>79311215
>Boze geesten
Maybe we should meme this into reality
>>79312117
Geert's already gonna rule the world
>>79301173
>I was wondering what you locals think of the PVV
Most people are pretty leftist and think he's a nutjob, especially in the bigger cities.
>would you vote for them?
Normally, no, I prefer the SGP, but nowadays I feel like I have no other choice.
>>79301593
VNL wants to allow 16-year-olds to vote, that alone is a reason for me to not vote for them ever. Personally I normally vote for the SGP, but will be voting for our bleached clown next election.
>>79301593
kek
>>79311209
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Gelt_Dekker
White guy of course.
Hey dutchbros, rate my OC
>>79311278
>Internet
Zeer goed. Beter dan Amerika. Je moet echt veer van alles wonen wil je moeite hebben.
>Werk
Als je in financien werkt zeer goed. Zelfde voor horeca en tourisme. Ook een groeiende IT sector.
Blank zijn helpt ook. Want ze weten dat blanke werkers hun best doen.
>>79312611
Kek, pretty good
>>79312794
Dat is goed nieuws. Ik zal voor mijn volgende baan daar is rondkijken. Hoe zit het daar met racisme naar blanken toe?
>>79309775
Socialism is the first step to communism yes, but how socialistic is the SP really? The only difference between the sp and the pvv is immigration and taxation, on social issues they are almost the Same. You are talking about the sp like it wants a planned economy and a world revolution, stay realistic.
Also yugoslavia was a period of peace between countries that were at war for hundreds of years, not the other way around. all yugos i know only speak fondly of that erra.
And i dont support mao, your point?
I beg to differ, europe is very divided on all the points u just mentioned. Thats why the eu is falling apart, european identity is a myth.
>>79311079
Güss genug.
>>79313369
>klaverkind
Alsjeblieft nee.
>>79313369
>yugoslavia was a period of peace between countries that were at war for hundreds of years
so was europe under nazi occupation. or the USSR. or europe under napoleon's rule.
achieving peace between nations by dismantling them and violently oppressing the entire population is not a desirable thing. if peace means having to live under the globalist's boot and watch my nation die around me, then i will choose war over it every single time.
>>79313369
>European identity is a myth
Filthy traitor.
>>79313606
ok duitsland
>>79313668
>Poland and portugal are one and the same
Lel
>>79312508
Do blacks not chimp out over this where you are?
>>79312611
kekked
>>79301173
>falling for the peroxide jew
>de voorzitter van de commisie diversiteit minister cuckenheim.
can't make this shit up
>>79310758
>Minaretten-Leur
>>79313998
I never said that traitor, we share a common white ancestry, identity, Judeo-Christian values and a high culture of greco-roman influence.
Being Polish or Portugese can only be considered a subculture within the larger picture and while it's important to maintain traditionalist values, the survival of the European high culture is more important.
As I said before, not a single European is 100% Germanic or Slavic but a deep mixture of several European subraces, in the Netherlands several different Germanic races have lived together such as the Franks, Frisians and Low Saxons while mixing with several non-germanic races at the same time.
Locking people away from inter-European mixing would defenitely be our doom.
>>79313196
>Racisme naar blanken
Vrijwel geen. Er is een kleine groep, maar zij zijn gewoon jaloers dat jij geld hebt en zij niet.
>>79315028
Berndbrand.
>>79315687
Onthoofddorp
>>79314193
>White guy comes to shitty run down part of city
>Fixes it up real good
>Crime drops, jobs created, land value goes up
Nah. They cant chimp out against success.
>>79315687
kek
Heb nog maatschappijleer van hem gehad. Toen hij een keer een filmpje over de 'haatimam' had laten zien tijdens de les was de week erop z'n auto gevandaliseerd.
>>79315111
> european high culture
Ehm i dunno what day and age you live in, but that culture died after 1945 with the cold war, our culture is americanized and decadent as Fuck..europe is dying.
Traditionalism is fucking dead in europe, even in the right. These populist and fascists nowadays have nothing to do with traditionalism seeing as they conflict with conservatives Everywhere.
Holland never had any nationalistic values as a hardcore calvinist nation.
Funny enough it were the muslims who reintroduced roman and greek thinking in europe, seeing as the catholic church deemed it all pagan and against biblic principles (which it does)
You refer to a time that never existed.
Besides countries in eastern europe always had an anti jewish culture.
Time to lay the tinfoil hat down
>>79313196
>Dat is goed nieuws
Having difficulty translating this phrase. What does it mean?
>>79316885
That is good news. Sounds much like the English version.
>>79316879
>Traditionalism is dead in Europe
That's where Julius Evola and René Guénon come in, Europe can give up on it but that doesn't mean I have to join the degenerate modern world.
>Holland never had any nationalistic values
Besides being extremely monarchist for a long time you're right, but again I'm a European ethno-nationalist, not a Dutch Nationalist like some of the stormweenies that clash with antifa in Vlaanderen every month, which is something you seem to confuse me with a lot.
>It clashes with European thinking
European Christianity drew a lot from from Pagan and Greco-Roman beliefs and customs.
>>79301593
