So, now that Based Liz is going to make us all immortal, what are the political implications of it? Will there need to be a Great Purge of the normies to prevent overpopulation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUp_JZCalbU
>>79244761
If humans became immortals you would need to stop reproducing immediatly, otherwise we're all fucked in a year or two.
>>79244761
>What are the political implications of biological immortality?
People will succumb to disease and injury. On the other hand, we will have Congressman who live forever and never leave office. SCOTUS will have eternal justices.
Nigel Farage will live forever.
>>79245005
> a year or two
I don't think it would be a problem that quickly m8. I agree we would need to stop reproducing though; but why would you want to reproduce if you could live forever? What would be the point?
If somebody invented immortality, then somebody else would immediately invent a way to negate it.
>>79245105
> Nigel Farage will live forever
Well that's reason enough to do it!
I doubt that anyone other than the rich are going to be able to afford any speculative immortal tech in the next 100 years.
>>79245134
Well you wouldn't want to reproduce, but you would still want to fuck, and fucking makes children.
>>79245169
Well, it's not 'immortality', but 'biological immortality' or 'negligible senescence' - there would still be plenty of ways to die, you just won't get cancer or heart disease or die of old age anymore.
this will never work in a world full of niggers and kebabs, you have to have a dying population because those rats simply won't stop breeding
>>79245349
It doesn't have to. There are already very effective methods of contraception (and I assume even more effective methods will be developed), and abortion is legal and available in most of the world.
>>79245355
How would this gene therapy prevent DNA damage caused by radiation sources like the sun?
>>79244761
The show Torchwood had a season on it, basically comes down to reclassifying classes of people and firing up the ovens
>>79245432
Well, they would be dealt with somehow couldn't they?
Race-specific bioweapons, perhaps?
>>79245454
Vasectomy.
>>79244761
It's physically impossible to make humans immortal.
>>79245617
inb4 'muh entropy' or 'muh heat death'
You cease to evolve. The most appropriate way to achieve immortality is by abandoning your biological nature and becoming an artificial life form, so you're able to preserve your memories while also being able to upgrade/retrofit your parts, or "adapt" your body to any environment through said upgrades. We had a whole debate about that at school when I was in highschool, wrote a long essay on immortality and artificial life. I believe immortality wouldn't be a profitable choice unless you're a machine.
Forced sterilization and withholding of the technology->riots->police killings
Elites will never ever let 99% of the masses have this regardless of their ability to pay for it. Catastrophic implications for human sustainability once liberal shits start demanding niggers get it for free
>>79245726
> abandon your biological nature and become an artificial life form
But I have a big dick and I like it, it'll go to waste if I become a robot.
>>79245329
You a re wrong. Could be as soon as 2017.
>>79245693
No.
Aging and inevitable death are cause by Telomeres at the end of you DNA that protect the important bits from breaking down every time your cells undergo mitosis.
Telomeres are essentially "junk" at either end that act as a biological buffer zone
Every time your DNA replicates, you lose a little off the ends, but nothing important as long as you still have Telomeres left
One you start to run out of those your DNA begins to break down causing you do undergo the serious aging problems we see in the elderly
Then death.
And no. It is not possible to "create" or "add" more telomeres to your DNA to extend the process.
Another vid with Based Liz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r286OkqU8E8
>>79245726
There's nothing terribly profitable about immortality for 99.999% of the population however, because there's nothing terribly unique about YOU.
Your biological replacement can do the job just as well as you, and doesn't cost millions to keep alive.
Embrace death as a sweet release. You don't need to work anymore. You don't need to do anything anymore. Life is somebody else's burden now.
>>79246056
Did you even look at the video? It explicitly involved telomeres. That's the basis of their entire operation.
>>79246056
'it is not possible to add more telomeres to your DNA'
A few months ago: Bioviva Usa announces successful lengthening of human telomeres by hundreds of base pairs http://bioviva-science.com/2016/04/23/human-gene-therapy-successfully-lengthens-telomeres/
>>79246162
It.
Can't.
Be.
Done.
You'd have to continuously lengthen the Telomeres every single time your cells undergo replication.
>>79245355
>you just won't get cancer or heart disease
You would still get cancer, for one simple reason.....
One of the main engines of cancer are lengthened telomeres.....
The very thing they said will stop aging is the very thing that causes many cancers:
>http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6219/273
Also, listen to what else is said here that makes this whole thing a sham. They mention the need for investors, while also making appeals to authority as a means of validating their case:
>Even the prestigious Dr. So-and-So, who leads *insert organization name here* endorses us and says these great things!
Here's my point on the quick: The video is a sales pitch designed to lure people who have money into donating said money. Of course everything they say is going to paint a picture of success and optimism
The whole thing is a lie:
>The thing which causes most cancers is going to make people stop aging.
I don't buy it.
>>79244761
This woman needs to be locked behind Bio Level 4 Containment Lab.
She altered her genes at some shady clinic in South America.
The very skin cells she sheds every hour is potentially dangerous.
The one great equalizer among all humans with be removed. Rich and poor might live radically unequal lives, but they all know death will end them all.
Remember, this isn't going to be like a magic pill that you take once and you become immortal. It's an ongoing therapy that will be prohibitively expensive. Even now, there is a real shortage/price crunch for access to the most advanced medical procedures/drugs/transplants.
Only the very rich will be able to afford immortality at first and it may never become available to the masses. Especially if access is restricted/bought out by the elites.
Once most people realize that they will never be able to reach immortality, there will be probably be a violent reaction and breakdown of societies around the world. I'd be very surprised if the transition was peaceful once everyone realizes that it's too late for them and their children to achieve ever lasting life.
>>79244761
I feel like altered carbon had scientific immortality down pretty accurately
>>79246541
> it may never become available to the masses
God, I certainly hope it doesn't. Why would you want normies to live forever? They fuck things up enough with limited lifespans.
>>79246541
>It's an ongoing therapy that will be prohibitively expensive.
It is a sham propaganda piece designed to take advantage of people's fear of death with the hope of enticing investors into throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into a complete hoax.
Remember the case for cold fusion?
Insofar as genetics go, we just learned how to put a man on the moon, and yet, these folks are claiming to have constructed and impossible warp-drive system that will take us to the edges of the universe. It is bullshit.
>>79246340
Yes anon, and the earth can't revolve around the sun, the atom can't be split and we can't go to the moon because space is just jello.
Fuck off dumbass.
>>79246778
>Why would you want normies to live forever?
Another fun factoid:
Even if this complete hoax were real, and it isn't, you would still be fucked. Why? Simple, because when you reach adulthood, you start losing neurons in your brain. It happens slowly, at first, and speeds up with time. Even if this fraud managed to slow down the process, you cannot replace those neurons. You would have a 20 year old body with the mind of a 100 year old person.
Fuck that.
>somewhere in the future we'll have nanomachines inside of us constantly reconstructing telomeres
>fueled by a simple epipen or something alike
>tfw probably dead by then
>>79247148
I am amused by the fact that you seem to think that I'm unaware of this and that nobody is working on a solution to it.
>>79247084
You can make non-sequiters all you want.
It doesn't change the impossibility of making this a viable solution to aging.
>>79246129
Then I'm the very person who will never embrace mortality like a normal individual.
Imagine becoming a supercomputer, achieving technological singularity and being able to explore the infinity of the universe, just like how the Europeans explored the world, but at an infinite scale. I wouldn't think twice before abandoning my biological existence to become an artificial life. I believe ascending into a machine is the very last stage of evolution for a species, when you finally break free from nature, to become nature. And I also believe this is deemed to happen to us at one point in the future, that of course assuming a far more advanced civilization hasn't achieved that already.
>>79247295
just hang on bro
how old are you?
>>79246261
>In a bold and courageous move Elizabeth Parrish, CEO of Bioviva USA inc. became the first human to be treated with two gene therapies that her company has developed, one to lengthen her telomeres and one to prevent aging-related loss in muscle mass. With this move, she follows the footsteps of other courageous scientists, such as Nobel laureate Barry Marshall, who used themselves as guinea pigs to prove their discoveries.
This seems like a start of a scam.
>>79244761
how old is she?
i love biological immortality!
pic related, it's biological immortality
>>79247451
23, I'd be surprised if it happens before I bite the dust. I think we need at least a 200 years from now.
>>79244761
She's not.
BioViva will turn out to be another Theranos, I guarantee it.
Btw, all she claims to have done is lengthened her telomeres. This will not stop you from aging you scientifically illiterate dumbfuck.
>>79247448
>Imagine becoming a supercomputer, achieving technological singularity and being able to explore the infinity of the universe, just like how the Europeans explored the world, but at an infinite scale.
Maybe when you turn your brain into a supercomputer, you will finally use your logic board circuits to calculate something that other people have already figured out.
There's no purpose to doing any of that shit.
>>79247295
>>somewhere in the future we'll have nanomachines inside of us constantly reconstructing telomeres
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomerase
>>79245134
Amusement? People who like children?
>>79247084
>Fuck off dumbass.
Lengthening telomeres is one of the main causes of cancer.
This would kill you.
>Prove it!
Sure. Hever heard of Henrietta Lacks? Probably no, seeing as you are a complete retard.
She was a woman who got bladder cancer. Her cells had developed a way of replicating forever so that they would never die, EVEN WHEN REMOVED FROM HER BODY. These cells have telomeres that NEVER SHORTEN, EVER.
After KILLING HER by CONSUMING HER BODY, this cancer was extracted... and scientists began to experiment on these cells. After seeing how these cell, which never fucking die, can be used for medical research purposes, they started breeding them and shipping them around the country.
Her cell are still alive and being used today for medical research today....... SEVENTY-SIX YEARS AFTER SHE DIED.
LENGTHENING TELOMERES FUCKING KILLS YOU, WHICH IS WHY THE HUMAN BODY HAS A PROCESS TO SHORTEN THEM, SO NOT EVERYONE FUCKING DIES OF CANCER. DOES ANYONE NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BIOLOGY OR CELLULAR SCIENCE?!
>http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/henrietta-lacks-immortal-cells-6421299/?no-ist
>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/books/excerpt-immortal-life-of-henrietta-lacks.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa
>http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/hela-cell.htm
>https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2013/08/07/hela-cells-a-new-chapter-in-an-enduring-story/
>http://www.nature.com/news/deal-done-over-hela-cell-line-1.13511
CITATIONS ENOUGH?!
>>79245134
>Not wanting to fill the world with your spawn.
Scotcuck detected.
>>79246387
Cancer has a higher survivability than old age.
>>79246056
No no no no.
There is absolutely no evidence that telomere shortening is the cause of aging. Telomere shortening is ASSOCIATED with aging but no one knows if aging causes telomere shortening or vice versa.
Doctor here we are not even close to the possibility of biological immortality, so many shit goes wrong with age,
>>79247702
I'm 23 too. Don't worry man, we're going to make it. We're all going to make it.
>>79245726
"Transferring" yourself over to a supercomputer would create a copy. "You" would still be the biological that still dies.
This is the age old philosophical question involving the "Transporter" in Star Trek: Is a new you created every time you transport.
The copy, of course, will THINK it's you. But it really isn't. It's simply a copy.
So, bottom line.... "You" still die.
>>79247656
>people's faces when they realize this
>guys we discovered immortality!!!
>catch bizarre incurable ass cancer
>die
>scientists realize that your ass cancer cells just keep growing no matter what
>scientists still use your immortal ass cancer cells as a standard control for science experiments nearly 70 years after your "death"
>you have achieved immortality, but you are a culture of ass cancer cells in a petri dish.
>>79247787
> amusement
Buy a dog. Or a robot.
> people who like children
Rolf Harris is in prison m8
>>79248009
>We're all going to make it.
To the grave, yes.
>>79248057
whoops forgot my picture. true story
>>79247815
> henrietta lacks
'I saw a kurzegesagt video two weeks ago and now I am a genius biologist' detected
>>79248152
>Not refuting point, engaging in strawman argument.
You sound like a Remain voter.
>>79247715
If telomeres shortening is not what causes aging than what does?
>>79247722
Amazing
>>79248220
take that back u cheeky kunt
>>79247916
Old age is a group of things which includes cancer. You might not have noticed but dying of 'natural causes due to old age' has been transitioned out in favour of cancer, heart disease etc.
>>79248152
I'm in the biotech business and I can confidently tell you that the mechanisms which prolong cell life are the same mechanisms which eventually cause cancer
>>79248452
Which company?
>>79248355
It's one of the many factors.
>>79247815
Ok, so is there like a sweet spot in between too much telomeres which gives you cancer, and to little which causes you to age and die? Is there some middle ground where if it remains you can live forever?
>their "research" has so far not been shared with any scientific communities or verified by anyone outside of private labs
>she "has taken the cure" and "reversed 20 years of aging" but looks the exact same
>they are actively selling stock in the company despite having no verifiable results
It's a scam. Their company was founded last year, and will cease to exist a year from now after their "research" proves to be a dead end. They'll throw up their arms and say "well, looks like we were wrong about this. Sorry. Also we're bankrupt, the money you invested is gone."
The CEO will probably also develop an illness, and they'll say it's a "horrible side effect" of the treatment they produced, which is why they aren't pursuing the research anymore. Hell, she probably already knows she has cancer but hasn't told anyone.
>>79248373
You sound perturbed, Mr. Juncker!
>>79248355
It's not that simple, your DNA gets damaged over time even from all sorts of things like going outside on a sunny day.
>>79247918
This.
>>79248355
We dont fucking know
>>79244761
only a woman would make such a retarded hyperbolic statement
>>79248612
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/542371/a-tale-of-do-it-yourself-gene-therapy/
>In an interview, Williams said he was a co-owner of BioViva and had assigned rights in a patent to the company. He said the treatment had occurred in Colombia, although not at his clinic. Both he and Parrish declined to name the doctor involved; Parrish would not confirm the country where it took place.
Be honest OP are you a Bioviva shill?
>>79244761
>it's been done on animals, it's been done on human tissue, and now we want to do it on humans
Sign my ass up, anyone have their email?
>>79248683
Is it possible to fix, or rewrite your DNA to how it was before? I mean theoretically not practically right now.
>>79249319
Virtually impossible.
>>79247148
Nope day qure dat too
http://bioviva-science.com/2015/10/07/alzheimers-cure/
>>79249397
The former occupier of the Falklands is correct.
>>79249533
However if you go full sci-fi you could dream of a way of recording your DNA as it was in your youth and perfom gene teraphy every few years to revert any alterations.
Still very far ahead of any tech we have, expensive, time consuming and it doesnt solve all age related complications.
>>79249102
n-no
>>79247717
Then what's the point of living? Why do you exist? The very attributes that makes us human have created this purpose for us to live. Without it there's no point of existing, it's meaningless.
You can become a machine and retain your human nature, of exploring, learning, being inventive, creative. I'm nothing but an engineer, and I'm fully aware that my existence is meaningless when it comes to nature, or the universe as a whole. What makes you want to explore, learn and create is your Human nature. The reason you're in this website, the reason you're interested in politics, and perhaps science, or whatever field of study you're interested, that's your human nature fueling your engine of life, from your Human perspective, not Nature's.
>>79248010
Depends. Do you consider (you) to be just a sack of meat? I believe that our intellectual output and personality is that makes us us. If your loved one died and you had his/her memories transferred to a machine and he/she behaved exactly the way he/she used to, and is also fully aware that he/she is now a machine, would that still be your loved one or would that be just a copy? After all, aren't we all mere copies that come in different shapes with different atomic configurations?
Even if you clone yourself with your memories in it, at the very moment your clone recognizes its own existence, you're not the same anymore. He has his own perspective of who he is, and you have your own perspective of who you are. You're going to take different paths and live your lives according to your experiences, so the concept of "copies" doesn't really make any sense when divergence automatically makes each of us unique.
>>79248571
This. We need a Goldilocks zone to live forever
>>79249771
I imagine we loose too many cells too quickly for this to ever happen, right?
>>79250703
Uh? I don't think that's really relevant, gene theraphy is a thing, not at the scale needed for this to work but it is a posibility.You can modify the genes of all your cells with man made viruses.
The rate we lose and replace cells differs from cell to cell, some cells don't reproduce at all and are supposed to last your life time like cardiocytes, another problem with biological immortality, old people acummulate micro infarctions and thus lower their heart function over time.
>>79251781
I'm not saying its LITERALLY impossible though, its like Michelangelo, he knew airships were possible but the technology for them to work was far away.
>>79249771
You can't do that to your DNA, otherwise you go back to the problem I previously mentioned: you cease to evolve. That's perfectly fine when you're not considering evolution, but when it comes to adaptation, this is what happens:
Your DNA is constantly microevolving and sending this information to your gametes, so your offspring will be JUST as genetically adapted as you were at the moment your offspring was conceived, and over the generations it leads to macroevolutive traits.
No biological life form lives forever, so nature gave us these rules: as you grow older your DNA becomes more and more fragile, therefore increasing your chances of developing malfunctioning cells, which leads to cancer, and eventually you will die because your body cannot sustain all the critical damage, leading to a cascading failure, and so you die.
"But why can't we just keep reproducing our cells with new ones while still preserving that data? Just like reproduction, but something that's happening inside of us." - because nature considers scarcity and population as survival factors. We can't live forever due to a limitation imposed by resource scarcity, then we fall into the r-selected / K-selected theory.
Now, imagine if you rejuvenated all your cells, what would happen? You would wipe all that microevolutive data gathered by your DNA. How can you evolve and adapt to the environment like that? You can't. So your offspring are LITERALLY a continuation of your genetic evolution. You live your life, earn experiences, gather adaptive data, transfer that data to your gametes, to later transfer that data to your offspring. Then you die, allowing your offspring to have full access to those resources you previously had access to, therefore proceeding to gather more data, reproduce, and repeat the cycle.
>>79252224
What the fuck is wrong with your reasoning ? that naturist argument and the belief that mutations are not random is horribly missguided, we can evolve at our own terms and that will be exponentially more effective than leaving mutations and whatever they are beneficial or not to mere chance.
>>79252627
Mutations are not random, they occur according to your environment. Why do you think we breathe air, are able to translate sound waves into perceived noise, electromagnetic radiation as different colors according to its wavelength, and so on? Is that random or did we actually adapt our DNA to this environment we're living in in order to increase our survivability? Most of our genetic mutations were implemented with a purpose, with very few accidents.
And like I said, you can't evolve if you're immortal, you're unable to transfer your adaptive data to your DNA, cause as you said, you'd have to constantly 'rejuvenate' your cells and therefore wipe all adaptive data you gathered throughout your life.
The better option I mentioned would be to simply eliminate natural limitations: instead of reproducing to maintain genetic adaptation you just "force" that into your own body, as if you're "conceiving yourself inside you over and over" so you don't need children to transfer that genetic data to, cause you'd be doing that inside you already. Real-time evolution, nonstop.
Nature didn't allow that for obvious reasons: no reproduction = population halt. And once you're dead, all that genetic adaptation would be gone forever.
>>79253546
>Mutations are not random, they occur according to your environment
>>/x/
>>79253748
I assume you're religious and don't believe animals evolve according the the environment their exposed to? That it's all completely """random""" and that there's a fairy in the sky playing dice? lol
>>79253985
>"I assume you're religious"
>Spouting some pseudoscientific spiritual nonsense about nature being an entity and evolution working like in fucking pokemon
Nigger how about you read a BASIC biology book before trying to argue against a professional.
>>79249397
>doesn't know that DNA can actually repair itself
You can't claim to be white and not know this.
![transhumanism[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pAzZdOO.jpg "transhumanism[1].jpg")
biological immortality.
why spend so much effort into being something so limited?
post human machine immortality is where it is at.
>>79254623
We can get to that after we get the former, step by step mate if we can live forever there is no rush
>>79254358
I'm atheist, friend. What's spiritual about what I said? And isn't that obvious that I used the term NATURE referring to environmental pressure or do I have to add notes to everything that was written in order for your slow processing to catch up?
>>79244761
only the human soul is immortal
>>79244761
Just in time for Trump to become God-Emperor
>>79254801
>>79254459
You are actually triggering me right now, I feel like an obese SJW, you think DNA reparation is perfect and doesn't miss mutations?are you denying the existence of cancer? are you denying evolution? how about you people at least try to read the wikipedia article of the general subject before trying to be cheeky cunts?
>>79254740
You don't understand the basics of evolutionary biology, you don't understand something as simple as the process of natural selection and you still act like you are the clever one in this conversation? just stop replying man.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_07
Here have a highschool level article explaining something you should had been taught when you were a wee lad.
>>79247448
I have been saying this my whole life parents looked at me like i'm crazy but never having to worry about sickness or disease. Age will be meaningless when life is forever for you, and every part of you is instantaneously replaceable and always ready for an upgrade, evolution in mere hours.
>>79250703
Every cell in your body has died and been replaced every seven years or so
>>79255644
Broad inaccurate generalization
>>79244761
the jews will fund it and have control over you for eternity. have fun goys
>>79255525
Arrival at immunity from all age, all fear and
all end...
why do I pretend?
Our essence is distilled
and all familiar taste is now drained,
and though purity is maintained
it leaves us sterile,
living through the millions of years,
a laugh as close as any tear;
living, if you claim that all
that entails is breathing, eating, defecating,
screwing, drinking,
spewing, sleeping, sinking ever down and down
and ultimately passing away time
which no longer has any meaning.
(VDGG Still life)
Immortality would be the worst thing to ever happen to us
>>79245005
If there was an option to be immortal, infertility would be a fair trade off
>>79244761
Have to choose between sterilization or mortality. People with existing children will be grandfathered in but going forward you wont be allowed treatment if you decide to have biological progeny.
This will have a huge net game for the advanced races with low birthrates because we will become more powerful than the apes who breed and die like rabbits.
>>79255739
Sure, certain cells like neurons aren't, but close enough
>>79254751
gay
>>79255065
The article you posted explains an outdated view of adaptation, that even Richard Dawkins mentioned on The Selfish Gene. And you're not a professional in this specific topic, you're likely a biologist, not a microbiologist or researcher, otherwise you'd be fully aware that directed adaptation has been proven to be true. This is currently being taught in Brazil and has been adopted since 2011. I would've expected the White, civilized Argentino to be aware of that as well:
>"Evolution is not a random process. The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all. The survival and reproductive success of an individual is directly related to the ways its inherited traits function in the context of its local environment."
And that's from one basic search on Google without any real effort.
>>79244761
We figure out post scarcity and do it fast
Post scarcity + Immortality = We own the fucking universe
>>79255065
>all these assumptions
DNA can repair itself, that is true. I did not say to what extent though. You assumed I meant complete repair and chimped out.
One of the reasons cancer is so resilient is because it repairs the damage drugs do to it before it re-enters the cell cycle (for solid tumours at least).
I did a paper on chemotherapy at uni.
>>79256862
He claimed to be a "professional" in this field and yet is using outdated articles from 30 years ago to get his point across. He's either a fool or a 96 years old biologist with a prehistoric brain.
>>79256456
>>79256650
>The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all.
That's literally what I'm saying, mutations are random, the process of natural selection is not.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
>This is currently being taught in Brazil and has been adopted since 2011
This doesnt add to the credibility of your bollocks.
>>79256862
Then what the hell did you try to imply accusing me of not knowing about DNA repair? yes DNA rewrites some transcription errors during replication but mutations still pass through and accumulate as you age.
>>79257120
Can you post a current year article then?
>>79245329
the cost of the actual gene shots are low, but the safety procedures and additional stuff cost boatloads like in the hundreds of thousands. will probably be far less when it's being routinely administered to more people.
>>79257322
Because you said DNA repair was virtually impossible.
>>79257534
You need to learn how to read the context of a conversation, what I said is that repairing the DNA damage you suffer with age is virtually impossible.
>A fucking constellation
>>79244761
>own rights and patents to immortality science
>run for presidency
>offer all followers immortality if they submit to whatever insane bullshit you want passed
>of course they do it, humans are shit scared of dying, prolong their lives well after bodies are basically useless
>no more politics, you are supreme leader
>easy to crush any rebellion as they will likely not have been given immortality and die off naturally
>>79244761
>work for thousands of years and never retire
sounds awesome
This tech is only beneficial to elites. You'd lose your fucking mind being a working stiff for that length of time.
On the plus side, all of these millennial faggots would be able to pay off their student loans by making minimum payments.
>>79245005
Would be no biggie if we started colonial sizing other planets. But that's far far in the future.
>>79257801
But some of the damage you suffer from age is repaired, it's just fighting a losing battle.
>>79244761
>This bitch wants to make me immortal, runs out of breath doing a powerpoint
Nah cunt, fuck off
>>79247448
What you have is a computerized copy of your conscious. The Biological authentic you will die. Is the copy really 'you'? I think not, but at the same time if there was technology to copy myself I would do it, I just wouldn't delude myself into thinking that my conscious was authentically me. I'd hold a funeral and everything.
>>79248009
Why the fuck would I want to live forever and be stuck with you insufferable cunts forever?
I like it here, but not that much...
>>79244761
Simply mandate sterilization of you and all your children for anyone who wants the treatment.
>>79258535
if you have the continuity though, and slowly replace your cells with artificial neurons then it wouldn't be any different than say going to sleep and waking up
>>79245541
Anthrax in the watermelon?
Ricin the beans?
I like the way you think, anon
Well firstly the world is fucked .
Endlessly reproducing and no one dying ? Dear god
>>79245329
People been saying shit like that about computers back in the days. I strongly belive we can get immortal and I'm pretty sure our kids will be, the progress is suprising us every year, be optimistic, ameribro.
>>79258774
You won't be able to do this, because you'll eventually get to a point where too many people will have died from unnatural deaths. Disease, accident, etc.
>>79258880
You'll have to make a big push for space colonization for it to happen.
>>79244761
Since immortality tech will be reserved for the few, it will lead to normies starting to kill the so called immortals after a certain point. I doubt many live past 120-130 even then and those who do will have to live inside walled compound complexes where the non-immortals can't get to. At that point the immortals will never be able to appear in public because any appearance in public is an invitation for assassination. In fact, killing immortals might even become gamified at the normie level out of sheer resentment.
There is no way anything good comes out of it for society. It will divide society even more between the haves and have-nots. There is also absolutely no way the non-immortals are going to just respect the immortals and allow them to rule in peace. The immortals will need non-immortals to do a lot of the unavoidable work just to keep society running. If society collapses, the immortals in their compounds can only hold out for so long before they're fucked.
It would be interesting to see what happens. I guarantee it will be a dystopia of some kind. It's inevitable.
Also, they need a lot of work on anti-aging tech so the immortals don't look like living dead.
>>79257322
100% amateur here. As I said, I'm an electrical engineer and it seems I know more about this topic than you, the professional, do. Unless you claimed to be a professional just so you thought it would be easier to persuade people into agreeing you. But anyway, let's proceed:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat01.html
And the information contained there makes my explanation on the IMPOSSIBILITY to be biologically immortal AND able to evolve to be a plausible statement, according to your suggestion on biological immortality in this post: >>79249771
Because now that you read through that article you learned that genetic mutations are NOT completely random. Sometimes, yes, which can lead to beneficial genetic traits, neutral traits, or harmful genetic traits. But most the time it isn't, and it's caused by environmental pressure.
It's not Pokémon science, it's how it actually works. Modern, non-mammalian aquatic animals developed gills not because it was the result of an accidental mutation, but because it was favourable for an aquatic life form of that size and complexity to better thrive within the aquatic environment. It's not an accident that RANDOMLY led to the formation of a very complex aquatic respiratory mechanism that took millions of years to be perfected, it was the aquatic environmental pressure and the survival decisions made by those animals that led them to develop gills, while mammalian aquatic animals, on the other hand, developed lungs because it was more strategically favorable for an aquatic mammal to develop lungs instead of gills.
Now if you reread through what I posted you should be able to understand my whole idea on biological immortality and evolution and why it will only work under this condition that I've suggested: >>79253546
>>79247815
You forgot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4rbhR_vsk
>>79259752
>Because now that you read through that article you learned that genetic mutations are NOT completely random.
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat01.html
Are you functionally iliterate?
>" Evolution is not a random process. The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all"
Holy fuck I never seen someone so arrogant be so wrong, you cannot comprehend the difference between mutation and natural selection and yet you think you are qualified to preach about biology.
You fucking nigger, your own sources contradict your argument and favour mine.
KYS or go back to >>>/x/
>>79259752
>the survival decisions made by those animals that led them to develop gills
But mutations ARE random; that's how the physical process of mutation works on the genetic level. It's just that natural selection allows advantageous genes to thrive while eradicating disadvantageous ones, which gives rise to such effective and complex adaptations.
>>79245169
Already have that senpai, it's called bullets
>>79244761
I'd love to sex her. It's another pump and dump like Theranos though.
>>79259752
Sounds like Lamarckism. That thought is obsolete since its inception.
>>79244761
Jokes on you guys, she's patient zero and she's actually 90 years old.
>>79246056
What about that one bitch with the immortal cell line?
>>79260466
Shes 44
>>79247429
>Those statements.
>Non-sequiturs.
This is some desperate ass denial.
>>79260466
Elizabeth Parrish > Elizabeth Holmes.
Based Liz is Best Liz.
>>79246387
>Tyson
Opinion disregarded
>>79260471
Lamarckism is actually not entirely false. Selecting genetic traits that are favourable to perform specific tasks is what led species to specialization. Our ancestors started manipulating things with their paws, therefore developed longer digits, but how did that information on "developing longer digits would make it easier for us to manipulate things with our paws, therefore this trait will be favoured and passed on through the next generation until, after millions of years, we have fully developed hands" came from? How do you think researchers came up with the idea that Ashkenazi Jews developed a higher IQ because they were pushed into working with finances and therefore developed traits that favour mathematical and critical-analytical thinking while lacking in spatial intelligence?
Everything you do at every second is being recorded in your DNA and transferred to your gametes in real time. At the moment of conception, the embryo will receive all the FAVOURABLE data obtained by its parent cells during their lifetime, therefore increasing the chances of improving the most important traits, while getting rid of the least important ones. And for the same reason we adopted bipedalism as means of locomotion while getting rid of our tail, and also why women have an ARSE attached to their chest, as it's sexually appealing to men, from a bipedal point of view.
>>79244761
>another female "scientist innovator" that's going to scam us
>>79259752
You confound mutations with selection.
>>79262336
>female
>scientist innovator
pick one and only one
>>79262241
>but how did that information on "developing longer digits would make it easier for us to manipulate things with our paws, therefore this trait will be favoured and passed on through the next generation until, after millions of years, we have fully developed hands" came from?
Selection famalam
>>79248010
Can't transfer be done gradually, so you feel like consciousness is slipping away, but then gradually reawaken?
Besides, doesn't a copy of you die every time you go brain-dead and are then revived? This occurs during very complex surgeries, you're essentially comatose, and then revived after...
>>79262469
'Genetic mutations' are 'selected' according favourability. Our species favoured intellectual output over other typically predatory traits, so the genetic mutations that favour intelligence, through natural selection, were passed on and proceeded to evolve over generations.
>>79262783
On a genetic, microbiological level, not as a superficial context on a one-size-fits-all fashion designed for child comprehension.
>>79260317
On some level he is correct, particularly in regards to Epigenetics, and how epigenetics (which are influenced by the environment) change the expression of one's genetics. However, I'm not sure if our epigenome is passed down...and also the degree to which our epigenome even influences our genome.
>>79262948
Correct.
>Don't fall asleep.
>>79262241
Nice pseudo science BRo "its real because it makes sense to me" how about you explain the mechanism behind this supernatural process in which your DNA not only "stores data" percieved by your CNS but also interprets it and decides which traits should be modified and how? are you sure you are an atheist? you are either advocating the existance of a god or that DNA is self aware and has functions that were never observed
>>79263216
Epigenetics do not have a long term generational effect and thus are irrelevant to evolution.
Besides its not just "enviroment affecting gene expression" in his implication, he is saying that mutations are not random and that evolution is a self aware process in which mutations are selected, he is advocating victorian era ideas.
I don't think a person who has not dwelled into physiology and cellular biology can fully appreciate how ridiculous is everything that comes off this monkey's mouth.
>>79263289
Consciousness is most likely transferred to the closest alternate Universe when you die...it's not like I feel like I'm dying when I sleep.
The only thing I really wonder about is how your memory would work.
>>79262241
That's a lot of assumptions and fallacies. You better stick to engineering.
>>79263648
Aye, but if epigenetics can influence the expression of your genetics, then a human being can influence the expression of his genetics through conscious will. The actions one commits to could surely have an effect in that case.
>>79263777
A lot of people never realized they died, bro. Dwell on that a moment.
>>79263885
The brain doesn't go dead during sleep. Seriously, you're scaring me right now..
>>79263648
No, I didn't say it is a self-aware process and you're clearly trolling by repeatedly saying what I mentioned is somehow magic. Again, I'm only an engineer, unlike you, who's a professional biologist. So please, do give us a detailed insight and .pdf archives explaining how adaptive information is passed through generations at a microbiological level, if you really are a professional in this field.
>>79261388
and? im 30, she looks amazing.
>>79263998
>she looks amazing.
That's what i meant senpai
>>79263937
All parts of the brain, at some time or another, all stop briefly during sleep. So, yeah...
>>79254623
One EMP and you cease to exist forever m8.
>>79264117
> tfw no genetically engineered qt3.14 gf
>>79247815
Lobsters and Naked Mole Rats.
>>79264254
Also, hydras.
The implication of immortality is that only the 1% (jews in poltongue) will have access to it.
We wont be getting shit. Then we will fuck shit up until something happens.
>>79245950
orgasm can be simulated. there's nothing a human can do that machine can't. including the feels. just think about how much more different feels you can experiment with. it'd be like going from colorblind mode to full hd 60fps
>>79263966
>No, I didn't say it is a self-aware process
Its pretty much implied, how else would this work? you are not explaining any mechanisms behind your belief, you just believe it because it makes sense to you.Why are you getting upset getting called on your magical thinking after treating science as a magical subject?
Also I'm not a biologist I'm a doctor, sweetie.
>So please, do give us a detailed insight and .pdf archives explaining how adaptive information is passed through generations at a microbiological level, if you really are a professional in this field.
What are you trying to acomplish here by diverting ? you claimed stupid missinformed shit and got exposed as an idiot and now you want me to run around and try finding sources for your pre Darwinian nonsense at 5 in the fucking morning?
How about you download a biology book for elementary school kids,that'd be right up the alley of someone who cannot understand something as simple as natural selection.
>>79264193
The very thing that always bothered me when it comes to post-humanism. Imagine investing all your life to become a supercomputer and explore space, being immune to disease, gamma radiation, heat, cold and hypoxic conditions just to be killed by a cosmic EMP.
>>79264615
To be fair a cosmic EMP is probably powerful enough to even kill viruses... Let alone complex lifeforms.
>>79263871
>Through concious will
Eeeh, lets not dwell deeper into new age shit, epigenetics are overblown and largely missunderstood by sensationalist media.
>>79264615
oh wow, that's the lone thing to worry about. there's like totally not a 1000+ and counting threats to organics that obliterate live in an instant and trading it for one weak point is supposed to be a bad deal?
>>79264499
>I'm a doctor, sweetie.
And the Argentinian intellectual still didn't provide any information to fully counter my argument. Bravo.
>>79264615
Fuck being a machine. I wanna transfer my consciousnesses to a Bio-Android.
>>79263871
You have it wrong here, culture affects and spreads memes and these memes throughout generations have a slim effect on "stock" instincts. That's all there is to it.
>>79264868
Mainstream evolutionary biology is the counter to your "argument" (technically an opinion)
I don't know what you expect me to do, I already provided sources that clarify you were wrong about mutations(I even pointed out one of your sources contradicted your statement) and thus your entire argument should fall apart but you are too arrogant to accept defeat.
Its like arguing with a flat hearter to be honest.
Your despective use of "argentinian intellectual" is embarrasing too, a country with a mere fraction of your country's population has achieved more nobel prizes and innovation than your failed state and yet you still look down on us, its analogous to this conversation, you got refuted and yet wont get off your high horse and keep acting intellectually superior making a fool out of yourself for the whole board to see.
What would the future even look like if this shit was legit?
>population stays the same or grows
>either way technology will progress
>100 years later
>most jobs have been automated such that maybe a couple of million technical jobs exist
>basic income is now necessary as 90% of people aren't needed in the jobs market
>business studies, arts and drama students are the most sought after degrees because all the unemployment has created a massive boom in the entertainment industries
Sounds like /pol/s worst nightmare desu
>>79265286
>>79265286
Yes, yes... listen to the mainstream media, stop questioning what they say, that's the truth I bestow upon you... any argument that's slightly divergent to the mainstream opinion is sensationalist and pathetic... even when I can't quite give you an explanation why.
>a mere fraction of your country's population has achieved more nobel prizes and innovation
When you still didn't realize I'm Jewish. Just don't push it, bragging is a sign of insecurity.
>I'm a doctor
>Argentina has nobel prices
Yet you still didn't counter my argument. lol
>>79244761
Rich assholes like George Soros living forever and fucking shit up for everyone for millennia to come.
Normies that can't afford it being butthurt and eventually trying to overthrow and kill the elite, that then takes the world down with the,
>>79265738
>I'm not an idiot its a conspiracy
Your argument is wrong because its convoluted, devoid of observational/experimental data and without even the slightest hint of a mechanical/phisiologycal explanation not because its anti establishment.
>>79245005
Anyone who wants to become immortal needs to be castrated.
Also a child limit for people who want to become immortal, like if a woman has had more than 1 or 2 kids, she can't be immortal.
>>79265998
che, no le des mas bola.
>>79265604
>basic income is now necessary as 90% of people aren't needed in the jobs market
nice meme
>not killing 90% because they are useless
>>79265998
Then why do you, the Doctor, the Argentinian intellectual, refuse to provide this humble kippah-wearing jungle monkey with the data I've been asking for regarding how, at a microbiological level, evolutionary traits are shaped through environment, which leads to genetic mutations, then favoured through natural selection to finally be translated to the gamete, and from the gamete to the embryo?
(You) keep saying I'm saying it's magic, when I've been asking you how it works, and yet you still cannot counter my argument, despite being a far more educated person than than I am regarding this topic that's seemingly trivial for you to understand.
>>79266587
>>79266688
>Why are you not providing sources for my hypothesis?
dude what, go to sleep already and stop smoking pot.
>>79264843
Alright then. I heard from the other guy that you're a professor of Biology? Any advice for an 18 year old in University who wants to pursue Genetic Engineering?
>>79245726
This is some potent autism
we're not done yet lads
>>79266195
I favour the latter.
