>hurr durr guys lets make a science country
Why do people think this guy is smart?
what hes explaining is the internet already. pics or it didnt happen.
>>79235763
We basically already have a virtual country in the internet. What the fuck is he on about with "Rationalia"? All policy shall be based on the weight of evidence?
>>79236128
It means a Nightmare State.
>>79235763
>evidence shows blacks more likely to commit crimes
>police still treat blacks worse than whites
>>79235763
Spooky affirmative action at a distance
in rationalia everyone besides those of european heritage gets rationalized, africans first
bye nigger de grand
>>79236292
Delicious.
>>79235763
>Rationalia 800
We must build walls to keep out the Romans! #MakeGaulGreatAgain
>Rationalia 1610
The heavens circle the Earth, and we cannot allow madmen to continue to press for funding of telescopes. #MakeGalileoRepentAgain
>Rationalia 1920
Niggers can't think for themselves. We have to enforce harsh laws or else they'll descend into anarchy. #MakeNegroesSlavesAgain
>Rationalia 2016
The politicians are all out of touch, and it's time to get them all out! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
>>79236292
Fucking golden
>>79236292
Kek
>>79235763
Does this guy ever say anything that isn't stupid?
what is wrong with this?
The weight of evidence is that black people cannot into governance, so his opinion is almost self-discarding.
>>79236292
Blacks are known for their love of evidence
>all policy based on the weight of evidence
Enslaving niggers is good for the economy, and if they aren't citizens it doesn't count, therefore, slavery is legal
>>79235763
Wait, what's the problem here?
>>79235763
Yeah that'll work out.
>Ill admit, most of the weight of my evidence comes from these tanks, but Im sure in consideration of them you'll all come to a rational decision.
>>79235763
This is by far the most euphoric thing I've seen today. The autism is palpable
>>79235763
DELETE THIS
literally space jayden
>>79236972
Of course it has to be explained to the leaf.
What if all evidence points to public crucifixion being the best crime deterrent? What do we do with this information?
You can't base policy on evidence alone. You have to have values by which to judge outcomes. Those don't come from evidence.
Plus, it's just a substance-free, pseudo intellectual, "I'm smarter than you" statement.
>>79235763
>Rationalia
>Not Autizmia
>>79235763
wow
really itches your noodle
>>79235763
The weight of evidence suggests people should be pretty conservative. There's no evidence for the efficacy of policies that haven't been tried and there's tons of evidence for the failure of left-wing economics and social progressivism.
>>79235763
>utilitarian paradise
>still ignores basics economics
>>79237366
This.
>>79235763
there goes 90% of rape trials, then
He tends to use big science words to say simple shit, creating the illusion of intelligence.
Also:
>Rationalia bases all his laws in empiric evidences.
>Niggers and Islam are erradicated from Rationalia because they are violent and destructive.
>Rationalia becames a white utopy.
>>79237084
Slavery is really very pragmatic if you don't let emotions get involved. Science negro is a genius
>>79236292
Maybe he does have a point after all.
>>79235763
What does his race have to do with anything? I thought /pol/ were "rational racists"??? Neil Degrasse Tyson is a respectable man.
>>79235763
Someone please tell me what he has contributed to scientific knowledge. Has he discovered anything? Created anything?
>>79236292
Someone tweet him some statistics!
"Despite only being ~13% of the population of the United States, African Americans are responsible for nearly 60% of violent crime."
#Rationalia
>>79235763
>based on evidence
Ok but thats not the problem
The problem is we cannot agree on the purpose of society
>>79235763
>an entire thread dedicated to some pop science public speaker
Using your time was wisely as you always do, huh /pol/?
>>79235763
>black intellectual
>>79238042
This.
>>79235763
So are we all just supposed to sit around for years of repeatable experiments and peer review before we pass legislature on pressing issues? How does that make any fucking sense?
>>79238042
>"Despite only being ~13% of the population of the United States, African Americans are responsible for nearly 60% of stupid science."
>>79238042
This. Fucking do it you twitter nigs.
This is what happens when you don't get bullied because of black skin
>what, no, I wouldn't work on the farms, hahaha, I'd be a party member
someone has it
>>79238139
>Falling for the Space Jew
NASA is a dick waving contest to the Russians, who the fuck cares
>Education
First off how can science improve education? If you mean add more technology to the classroom that is already being done, smartboards are being put in schools
>DMV line
How can technology make a DMV line shorter? And how is that "things that matter", it's just a minor inconvenience.
>School bus
How is that "thing that matters?" It's just a minor inconvenience and takes longer than a car.
>police
Firstly police have been more militarized and have improved with technology, secondly how is that a good thing, and thirdly wouldn't the Jew want better police to arrest the silly goyim?
Why the fuck is this guy held up as a genius again? This is something I would expect from some high school neckbeard ranting about how dumb Christians are
>>79235763
I hate this science bully. No one cares you chubby fedora fuck.
>>79238139
>/pol/ has to be #Rationalia!
Black Science Man, please Negxit.
>>79237875
he's a fuckin spook, you're just some yankee jew that's trying to spread the "not all blacks are niggers" shit
fuckin kill yourself
>>79236388
well keked, my friend. well keked.
>>79238139
Why do school buses need an upgrade on par with those other things? They're fucking buses. Also lots of schools have smartboards now and use things like iPads and laptops.
>>79235763
What a boring shit country that would be to live in, totally sterile.
>>79235763
He's the fedora meme incarnate holy shit
>>79237366
>What if all evidence points to public crucifixion being the best crime deterrent?
Well then we follow the evidence? What is wrong with this?
Why can we not base policy on evidence alone? Values are arbitrary and are not shared by everyone and alienate those who do not share that opinion.
Evidence (ideally) is unbiased facts determined systematically.
>>79235763
>All policy should be based on the weight of evidence
>>79235763
Let's do it. I have a feeling that the country will fast end up without blacks as evidence shows black's greatest achievement in history is the size of their dicks. There is a reason why Taytay became 'racist' in a single day; logic is factual.
Absolutely nothing good comes from Twitter.
In 10 years people will look back on it as a complete blunder.
>>79235763
I like Neil, as much for his verve and passion as anything, though I disagree with him on some of his conclusions (even when I know he's right sometimes).
I feel bad for him sometimes, because he has some minor liberal views. But when he speaks them around his mega liberal friends, they make him sound like he is a zealot like they are. He tends to be much more cogent than the people around him.
It makes him look like a mega liberal, when he isn't. If he says the Earth has climate issues we will face, his friends repeat it as if he said we are going to cook ourselves into extinction by August.
He's a classic atheist like the kind I am used to growing up, where it was just the simple opinion that there were no supernatural beings as described by mythologies, not the angry stupid kind we have today who think religion is evil and we have to go around pissing on other peoples values.
>>79238042
With the conclusion:
Sorry Neil, but we have to lock you up. The weight of evidence is showing us that you're dangerous.
>>79235763
The problem with this way of thinking is that sometimes proof isn't actually the best indicator of probability.
Specifically, if you can't prove something, that doesn't mean it isn't true. Case in point, Steven Avery
>>79238840
Damn, whites completely btfo. Blacks are clearly better at everything. Also, awesome resistance to the sun. How will whites ever recover?
>>79235763
Neil is a fucktard.
Anyone who refers to the Islamic Golden Age needs to be shot.
>>79235763
>Based on the weight of evidence
Basically Liberal genocide?
>>79236292
it's not that blacks are more likely to commit crimes, it's that the majority of crimes committed that the police arrested people for, and the courts actually charged people for, were committed by blacks
>>79238830
>Values are arbitrary and are not shared by everyone and alienate those who do not share that opinion.
"We should deter crime" presupposes a value, Anon. Evidence suggests what outcomes are possible, but it doesn't show us what outcomes are preferable. Laws always have values underpinning them.
>technocracy is a good idea
being smart as fuck doesn't stop people from still being dumb as shit
>>79238988
No, he's fuckin stupid and a communist
>>79239304
This. If you can't understand this, you're either autistic or some preening pseudo-intellectual redditor pretending to be obsessed with le science! xD
>/pol/ doesn't like anything without a source or evidence
>ridicules a scientist who thinks that logic and reason, asserted through calculated evidence
Is it cool just to hate people no matter the substance of what they are saying?
Science is subject to ideology and cannot replace ideology or morality. I had a friend make the argument "scientists should just make all the laws based on scientific knowledge" specifically he referred to prisoner rehabilitation for some reason. I said this is exactly what the communists believed. Their idea of rehabilitation, reeducation was horribly inhumane. But they viewed themselves as the supreme scientists and humanitarians. Point is science can't replace politics or ideology. It can tell your whether something's true but can't tell you what you should do.
>>79238840
>gambling
>>79236292
LOL, did you think he meant all evidence? That doesn't count of course!
>>79237366
>What if all evidence points to public crucifixion being the best crime deterrent? What do we do with this information?
Actually solve crime by crucifying lawbreakers.
>You can't base policy on evidence alone.
Cool feels, but of course it can be done.
>You have to have values by which to judge outcomes.
More feels.
>Those don't come from evidence.
And yet again you spew your emotions all over the place.
>Plus, it's just a substance-free, pseudo intellectual, "I'm smarter than you" statement.
Says the retard who just presented his opinions as facts.
>>79235763
Don't get left behind.
>>79235763
>tfw evidence shows that niggers are inherently violent and stupid, unless they are bathed in white culture
kek
What policy should be issued to deal with the mokey infestation?
>>79239195
The Islamic Golden Age did exist
I'm sure you watched the 10 minute YouTube video explaining how it actually didn't and are now "redpilled" on the issue but go ahead and don't bother to pull it up cause I won't watch it
Yes the Islamic Golden Age was essentially just the Muslims making use of Roman technology that they found when they conquered the Levant, North Africa, Eastern Europe, and Spain
For a period of time the Muslim world was indeed the height of civilization; no it didn't last more than a couple centuries, no we don't have to thank the Muslims, no the Muslims did not contribute in any way at all to Western Civilization, BUT it is intellectually dishonest to say that the Islamic Golden Age is just a figment of the liberal imagination
>>79239415
>smart as fuck
Please, he's certainly way smarter than the average person, but he's clearly nothing special compared to the average physicist. Look at his published papers to see how irrelevant he is
>>79239514
See >>79237366
His idea is retarded
>>79235763
Tyson is so fucking stupid it's no wonder he's famous.
>>79239514
Who decides what weight is given to the evidence?
A computer? Who writes the code that weighs the evidence?
You can see where this is going
It's some fedorable bullshit that is utterly ridiculous when you actually think about the statement
>>79239304
But policies and laws are not necessarily the same thing is my point. Prisoners should be treated humanly is a law and it is pinned by a value. Now one may or may not find evidence that suggests that treating prisoners humanly will increase chances of prisoner breakout - I don't know. But policies are not necessarily the same as a law.
If economists find that increasing interests rates in a volatile market is necessarily to the economy, then why should we not increase interests rates?
If we find that CFCs are responsible for ozone depletion, why should we not act to remedy this?
>>79239112
>Specifically, if you can't prove something, that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Fucking this.
/thread
>>79235763
Heard a girl in my class unironically refer to him as the world's smartest man. I would wager if you asked 10 people who the smartest man alive is, 6 of them would say NDT
>>79239776
ITT: Canadians who don't understand the is-ought gap.
Okay, let's play a game. Without presupposing ANY values, tell me why we should deter crime.
>>79237446
That guy, future GameStop assistant manager
>>79240191
Criminal law and policies are not the same thing.
>>79239562
>>79239562
>It can tell your whether something's true but can't tell you what you should do.
This is a very cogent point, and too frequently overlooked.
>>79235763
>implying it didn't already exist
>>79239979
Where's your PhD from an Ivy League school?
He's no idiot but he does suffer from something that seems to plague a lot of smart people; they think their intelligence in one field translates to all other
Kinda like how Steve Jobs refused conventional cancer treatment even though he had access to the best doctors and technology in the world and instead went with "aligning his chakras" and "rhino penis" and whatever other bullshit is out there and of course he died as a result
>>79238830
because evidence can be wrong
>>79240262
Edgy af/10
>>79238430
>Space
Not if we find oil on a space rock, leaf.
>>79235763
>based on the evidence
better not let any niggers or spics around it then
>>79238139
>Personal transport
>Not important
poorfag
>>79235763
I know it's a smart-assed tweet and not a real argument, but too many fucking bluepill hipster I Fucking Love Science kids with English Literature degrees are going to take him seriously.
I also know he is presupposing consequentialist morality, but there's a shit-ton of very solid argument against that and in favor of other ethical systems. That needs to be addressed before hitting a purely evidence-based system.
And what will Black Science Man do if the evidence suggests that black people need closer police scrutiny in order to remain lawful and orderly?
>>79240068
>why should we not act to remedy this?
The burden is for you to show why we should, especially if you're the one advocating we actively do something. Acting presupposes a value in preserving the environment. At bottom, there's some value that you're acting on.
>>79240262
>>79239562
>Science is subject to ideology
Citation needed
>This is exactly what the communists believed
Cool. Why is this relevant? Oh wait communists = bad is an axiom for some reason.
>It can tell you whether something is true
Exactly. But hes not talking about laws hes talking about policies you dunce. Policies should be based on evidence and laws can be based on anything.
>>79235763
Because he's a nigger and niggers are smart says the TV.
>>79235763
Did he just flip his shit?
Because that statement...so many flaws... so many contradictions.
>>79239275
We should stop charging people for robbery and murder, obviously
Or maybe we should start arresting people for not littering or going to school?
>>79240589
As a scientist he makes me so fucking mad
>>79235763
This is a goofy, childish teenager statement. Is he going to cut himself now?
>>79240589
one of these days if another member of the same species pops a cap in his ass he may have to re-think some of this logic.
>>79240551
The burden is for you to show why we should. Well then that is argumentum ad infinitum. How long am I going to have to prove that there is a value in preserving the environment.
Of course that is based upon some value. If we were a society hell bent on global destruction then by all means lets deplete the ozone faster. But that's not an argument. No one has the capacity to prove or show why there is value in preserving the environment but the fact is that if one wishes to preserve the environment and it is prudent to do so for the good of humanity, science is very clear in what we should do as a species.
>>79239275
If you don't think a vast majority of black people in comparison to whites, Asians, middle easterners and even Hispanics actively steal and do/sell drugs as well as doing downright stupid shit like owning a firearm as a felon you clearly haven't lived around many of them. (Maybe it has something to do with their lower iqs)
>>79240727
Just because it writes stupid shit on twitter doesn't means hes the representative of all scientist. Cool your autism.
>>79238139
To be fair math never needs to change if its always true
>>79240714
He doesn't realize that this is what the BILL OF RIGHTS was about
>>79240068
No one is saying we shouldn't rely on evidence to decide policy, but that societies need a foundation on qualitative values. Sometimes qualitative values come into conflict with what the data suggests, but that doesn't mean we throw those values out. For instance, I would rather live in a free society than a totalitarian one even if living in the latter proved to be more efficient. Tyson genuinely seems to think everything should be decided by data, which is pure autism
>>79240589
>waiting in line for a passport
>2016
He uses Twitter but can't renew his passport online. What the hell man.
this fucker is the most pretentious pseudo intellectual i've seen in my life
>>79236292
that's not how science works though, you're supposed to ignore or dismiss facts that you don't like
>>79240439
Yea and spend 10x the amount to go there and bring it back?
>>79238139
don't necessarily agree with pic but read Bernard Mandeville specifically 'The Fable of the Bees, or: Private Vices, Public Benefits.
He is considered the father of modern capitalism, influenced Adam Smith, Hayek etc. He was also a member of the occult. Modern capitalism in accordance with the industrial revolution and its fruits is based on vice and degeneracy. It's not just juden, it's a fucking philosophical shift away from natural law and economics as an ethic.
>>79238139
>Left is private sector
>Right is public sector
Poetry..
>>79240905
>Of course that is based upon some value.
Okay you've just stated that policy is also by some value, not just evidence. That's all I was saying the whole time.
>>79240262
ebin
Time to bring some more integrity to the rationalia cause
>>79235763
Not realizing that he'd be banned from said country due to his melanin levels. After all, if you weigh the evidence... Blacks commit more crimes, have lower IQs, etc.
>>79240589
DUDE
LMAO
>>79241385
>it's a fucking philosophical shift away from natural law and economics as an ethic.
What natural law? Humans have had market economies since ancient times. Economics has never really been about ethics by definition. Any economist writing about ethics is just doing philosophy.
>>79240960
To the average knuckledragging mouthbreathing Democratically voting normie, he is the figurehead of all science, though.
>>79235763
What evidence is there that blacks are equal to whites?
>>79238139
Schools have fucking projectors with smart boards now. At the very least it's a white board but only classes like math that need writing on the board at the moment use it instead of PowerPoint.
>>79235763
well thats just not fair to my fellow amerifats.
>>79241092
I very highly doubt that anyone is claiming that qualitative values and judgement exist in all forms of policies and criminal law. One can go into an epistemology class and listen to the first 10 mins of lecture and realize that such a statement is clearly not true; there are clear values under which we act.
Science doesn't care about the constructed human values we have created for better or for worse. I don't need to tell you this. But science is very clear on the facts. The reasoning and arguments for which one pursues public policy should be spear headed by evidence and not by values precisely because scientific evidence is supposed to be unbiased. I do believe you are scare crowing a bit with the whole totalitarian society because it simply is not true. From the way I read it, Tyson is suggesting that governments should pursue policies that are based upon facts and by evidence.
I don't know about you but I would hate to live in a society in which government was primarily conducted on the basis of dogma than on empirical evidence and inquiry.
>>79235763
The smartest man in the world believes in eugenics.
https://youtu.be/Q-HXSHXUtFw
>>79241704
>bluntkang187
Lol, nice and fucking subtle. Nice sock puppet.
>>79237632
Gracias por la sonrisa España. pero solamente un sueño
>>79241935
There should be little to no public policy. People should be free to live their lives for better or for worse. I am so fucking sick of elites and their noblesse oblige attitude. I cannot wait for the next batch of guillotines.
>>79241469
A policy pursued primarily on values is not the same as a policy pursued primarily on scientific evidence with the purpose of fulfilling some basic value.
For example, a policy that we should not take any action in protecting the environment as God is perfect and he has a plan for everything is not the same as protecting the environment by following scientific judgement for the glory of God.
I'm not religious but there are two very different perspectives based upon the values of God's greatness and perfection.
>>79242330
Go live in Somalia then.
>>79240262
kek
>>79235763
Easily one of my least favorite archbishops of (((Science)))
>>79235763
Because it would be more convenient if he was.
>let's base our laws on facts
>b-but that gets in the way of my racism
lmao
>>79235763
Yeah nigger it called Utilitarianism and it involved the removal of your race from the planet.
Okay here's the evidence you nigger-chode.
>>79235763
So
>Islam is outlawed because evidence shows Islam is not a religion of peace
>Everyone is armed and educated because switzerland has proven the model is the best.
>Foreign policy ends at the Waters' edge because evidence shows that destabilizing foreign countries to add puppet regimes is a waste of time, money and public image
>Immigration is tightly controlled and targets the sectors that "Rationalia" will directly benefit from as well as putting a primary focus on integration
>Illegal immigrants are deported without hesitation sans any valuables over $100 to cover costs.
I already like this idea, space-nigger!!
Hopefully "No Niggers In City Limits After Midnight" becomes a law.
Or just "No Niggers".
>>79235763
Why does this man even have a job?
Oh, yeah, that's why....
Like he is the first person to ever think of having a society based on rationalism. God, he's an idiot.
>>79241935
You're missing the point. I don't deny that it's important for policy decisions to b guided by empirics, but I believe some values are valuable in and of themselves and shouldn't be compromised based on quantitative evidence. The vast majority of humanity agrees with me. When it comes down to it, no one risks their life for empirical evidence, but for qualitative values that may or may not be dogmatic and may possibly even be irrational.
> I do believe you are scare crowing a bit with the whole totalitarian society because it simply is not true.
But what if it was though? if everything is decided by a pure cost-benefit analysis what would you do if something that offends your deepest held moral values proves to be better? All I'm saying is that a foundation on qualitative principles is necessary for a healthy society
>Tyson is suggesting that governments should pursue policies that are based upon facts and by evidence.
They literally already do in 99% of policy areas. Based on Tyson's previous tweets about the 2nd Amendment, he seriously seems to think that nothing should be valued in and of itself.
>>79235763
why doesn't /pol/ make their own virtual country?
team up with /g/ to make it happen.
Guys, he's not wrong. If people looked past feelings and didn't hide behind arbitrary desires for diversity, kebab could be seen for what it is and promptly removed, using evidence-based legislation.
On the flip side:
Most things in the bill of rights are not evidence based - they are rather used as the axioms to other evidence-based arguments.
>>79243018
because gentoo is gay.
>>79235763
>all policy based on evidence
EUGENICS.
Also, psychiatry is 'evidence based', so is astrology.
Be careful what you wish for.
>>79242774
tfw no slavs
>>79243168
It says Mongol right there
>>79236972
Because a constitution is a document to set up and legitimize a government. Having one line attaining to unspecified "policy" basically is anarchy.
There is no one or nothing to create policy or to enforce it.
name 1 thing this nigs contributed to his field outside being reddit science man on tv.
pro tip: you cant
>>79235763
well that would certainly be bad for him. ALL evidence points to niggers being subhuman criminal trash and the best solution is to take it to the curb.
>>79235763
>>79242020
>muh left my theory of everything behind at a bar table
>muh exclusive aspect to some undefined 'absolute truth'
>...I'm working on it...
Why hasn't he accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior?
>>79238830
>be 5 year old
>playing baseball in street
>ball accidentally smashes neighbors window
>"Sorry son, you're to be crucified for vandalism."
>>79235763
He really dindu nuffin to get this.
>>79235763
already a technocracy, now they are just revealing it and making it look good
>>79242774
tfw no jews
>>79238830
Human life having value is an arbitrary value.
Without these values set, we have no idea what we should maximize, eBen with evidence.
>>79242640
>>b-but that gets in the way of my racism
Except the exact opposite was said. The facts support the racism.
Are you retarded? Because the facts seem to indicate so.
>>79243414
Now all 5 year olds will be taught to not smash windows.
Problem solved.
>>79235763
>All policy shall be based on the weight of evidence
So a Muslim ban, border wall and legal gun ownership would be in place. Great.
>>79239806
I guess whoever came up with this has a little mind
>>79235763
#tokensciencenigger
>>79239806
Sorry! Not evidence-based. Please wait in line to be crucified.
Refuted in one line:
>That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen
>>79238988
>>79236388
Haha sir. Haha to you, I say!
Such a thing already exists.
See Ethereum and The DAO.
>>79241457
amazing.
>>79235763
What's bad about spacenigger's suggestion?
We'd finally get to genocide the low-IQ poors armed with the objective data stating that poverty is intractable due to heritable low IQ's, that interventions don't work, and that poor people contribute nothing to society ergo we would be better off without them.
True, brutal reason and evidence-based thought gives us carte blanche to purge society of its niggers and shitskins once and for all.
>>79239776
All evidence points to humanity being a detriment to the environment. If we follow your line of thinking without any morals backing up our decisions and go purely on logic, then the best thing for the planet is to wipe ourselves out.
>>79245261
>72. Modern society is in certain respects extremely permissive. In
matters that are irrelevant to the functioning of the system we can
generally do what we please. We can believe in any religion we like
(as long as it does not encourage behavior that is dangerous to the
system). We can go to bed with anyone we like (as long as we practice
"safe sex"). We can do anything we like as long as it is UNIMPORTANT.
But in all IMPORTANT matters the system tends increasingly to regulate
our behavior.
-unabomber manifesto
>>79235763
>laws based on ratoonalitie
Sounds great, no niggers allowed
>>79246330
>unabomber manifesto
Industrial society and it's future*
>>79240262
>>79237446
what happened to that man, is he here on with us. ro is he a ghost of the past. does he play with ponys or due he live in our heart. what is the future of our past. that is one eye in the lighting of life, till we die
>>79242373
There is an underlying normative dimension inherent in the interpretation of empirical data. It seems as if you think we can divorce ourselves from the qualitative - as if we can obtain some purely objective, God's eye view of the world. You can't derive an ought from an is blah blah blah
>>79240589
The response at the bottom is awesome.
>>79235763
Intellectuals get high on their own intellectualism
>>79239275
Sooooo true!
Fuckin whitey is racist man! Always keeping us blacks down!
