Explain to me why exactly is BREXIT bad for EU? Think we dogged a bullet here and things would be a lot worse for us if they stayed in the EU. Just think about it. We had to tailored EU laws to what they wanted, they were the ones lobbying for TTIP, and that is implemented in EU ASAP, the most. And now they are gone and Europe can finally breath easy. No hard feelings to Brits wish them all good luck, but they should also know that EU has the upper hand in this one and that you are far more dependent on EU then other way around, so don't think you will be far better off out of EU. But I don't get why people are panicking, because Europe has never been more connected now that Brits are out.
>>79212358
It's a bad political sign. It show EU is being built against their people.
So it show how fragile this construction is.
I think we'll both be better off. It's often difficult for them to pass their legislation without us wading in and wanting special conditions or exceptions. Assuming we get decent trade deals ironed out then we can both have our cake and eat it.
>>79213343
On a paper yes, but out on the streets and reading what people from other EU countries think, I have never heard so many people be interested in EU and so for it. It is fragile tho I'll admit you that.
>>79213995
This is also true. Both EU and UK can still prosper(if I am being honest more England and possibly Wales, no way Scotland is still in UK after 10 years from now...) Trade will be a hard bargain tho because EU will not step down from the free movement and UK will not accept. It will be insteresting to watch.
>>79212358
It's going to start a chain reaction of referendums.
>>79216613
I don't think so tho. Imo it has united Europe as it was never been before.
>>79218592
Well what about France, the Netherlands, Italy, Hungary are calling for their own referendums. It's only a matter of time before the EU crumbles.
Personally I see the EU in similar light as the Soviet Union, but only much more inefficient and retarded.
>>79218592
United Europe? Has a portal to a parallel dimension opened in Slovenia?
>>79218592
How? Is there a heavy propaganda campaign going on in Slovakia
>>79214061
Fuck off shill. You will fail, UK, denmark, Netherlands, and france are leaving your shit union next.
>>79219789
Obviously, this cuck of an OP love his "freedumb"
>>79212358
Italy is on the verge of another collapse, mostly due to Brexit. I'm sure other """"excellent"""" EU economies will soon follow, along with us.
>UK loses 2 trillion in 2 days
>Italy collapses
>Brexit was a mistake for UK
just shows how resilient to change the EU actually is.
pro tip: not at all
>>79219181
There will be no referendums in France, Netherlands, Italy, Hungary, mark my word.
Personally is see the Europe as only hope us Europeans as a group of countries have to say fuck off to masters outside of Europe and make our own rules that other should follow and not the other way around, where we follow the rest of the world. And you know this is true.
>>79219573
I talk to people outside of this Chan too :D. In RL to other internet groups I am in. They all agree the same. That if ever now is the chance to sort shit out in Europe and make it better. And all 27 countries must work on this.
>>79219789
Propaganda for what?
>>79220487
Ironic considering that the EU wants to contril the European continent and hold all of the sovereign states on a leash.
And the EU will crumble, like the Soviet Union for the exact same reasons.
>>79220022
What am I shilling for? I want a strong Europe and I think it's achievable through strong EU.
>>79220778
I some how can't take you seriously if you are comparing EU to SU. You are getting better and better under one union and you were fucked daily by the other. And you know which is which.
>>79221039
Excuse me but the Euro currency that the EU imposed on us without a referendum is fucking us over by tripling our prices.
And while a lot of people were killed by the Soviet Union at least we were Industrialized to such and extent that when we became independent it was smooth sailing in terms of economy, until we joined the EU that is.
>>79212358
Brexit was a disaster! Just look at this 5 day British stock index!!
>>79221454
Show me numbers please how worse you have it now than you had it before you entered the EU. There was a similar way of thinking present today all through the interviews that they were making with older folks, when they were asking them how they compare living now with living when we came out of Yugoslavia and became independent. All of them said: " pfffff it was so much better it was so much easier, we all had money" Then they showed the figures of what was really going on. Our average wage was fucking 75 € per month back then. LOL. And you had to work 3 times longer for buying a car than you do know. Coffee, Milk, Sugar, Bread,you can buy twice as much now than you could back then.
>>79221574
the markets do that whenever something major happens
>>79222020
Maybe they remember it fondly because your daughter wouldn't get raped by pakis while you were on the way to buy that bread, milk, sugar
>>79221574
Did you see me write any where that brexit is a disaster for English? I wish them well, truth is they never fitted in the EU and like I wrote in OP there were just too much things that had to be tailored for them so they didn't bitch. Also all that pushing for letting corporations mess with us with TTIP were largely done by Brits. It's better for EU and UK that they parted their ways.
>>79221574
>my stock exchange manipulation
When will memers finally realize short term stock value changes have nothing to do with actual political decisions or economic changes and they behave solely on game theory basis.
People play the same games at every fucking happening and yet it's still in the news. Why? We all knew that people will first speculate on a huge drop then on a huge bull market race back to the original value.
It has NOTHING to do with how bad or good the actual decision will turn out. Because no one has any idea. And even if people have some clues it won't take effect for a while.
People expected a bear, so there was a bear. Then they'll expect a bull to set it back a bit, so there'll be a bull. The fluctuation has nothing nothing to do with how good or bad the actual economy is doing.
Yet memers will wave it around in the media. And these people will diss on Trump based on how "dumb" he is.
>>79222326
There is no raping going on now either. What I am trying to say is that people have distorted memory when it comes it. They only remember good times, not the bad and it's human to long for something it isn't anymore.
>>79222724
>There is no raping going on now either.
Huh?
>>79222489
Yes at least 10 years of more before we see if this was a good decision for UK.
>>79223507
Where is this rape happening?
>>79212358
>we
Ahahaha enjoy your slavery and zero imput.
>>79222489
Sorry, forget this is the Internet and people have no way of knowing you aren't a retard rather than being sarcastic
My point is that the left was trumpeting how the markets were collapsing and it was he end of the financial world and that showed how Brexit was so foolish and terrible...
When anyone can see that less than a week later the full losses have been recovered and the index is actually up a little.
Look at a six month chart and you can't even spot the supposed Brexit induced "crash" it was so minor and temporary
>>79212358
>EU announced speeding up of ever closer union, including an army and a police force
Yeah, sure, it was so goddamn terrible to have the UK block all that lovely legislation.
>>79218592
Us Dutch are clamoring at the bit for a referendum, and historically, all referendums on EU affairs have had 60%+ anti-EU results.
Wilders will win the next election too.
>>79223831
You see this is what makes me mad. WHAT LEFT?????? LEFT VOTED FOR LEAVE LEFT CHEARED THE LEAVE.
>>79223953
Excuse me sir is that EU or UK?
>>79220840
>I want a strong Europe and I think it's achievable through strong EU.
Not even remotely. Economically, the EU is a mess. The euro is a massive fail project, that puts high capital and high debt countries in a single market, meaning too high rent and too low inflation for poor countries, too low rent and too hig hinflation for capital strong countries.
Now they are proposing a pensions union (IFPO) that would allow Dutch pension funds to sell pensions to any EU citizen... under the same coverage. Which essentially means, rich countries pay poor countries pension. A bank union is up next.
We are going to fail economically, and fucking hard, in 5 years time if the EU continues this trend.
>>79224362
the EU could be gone by the end of the year
>>79223907
Which side you are rather on. The one that Soros advocates for which in the most terrible outcome you will have few negros and faggots more in your country and few puff leftists. Or this one on which is Rupert "die you vile bitch scum " Murdoch
"I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. “That’s easy,” he replied. “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.”
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/anthony-hilton-stay-or-go-the-lack-of-solid-facts-means-it-s-all-a-leap-of-faith-a3189151.html
>>79224289
Deutschland is in the EU, and in your mind Köln never happened, I am sure?
>>79224589
Id rather fucking go down with the ship and suffer economic hardship, than let a SINGLE fucking more negro, faggor or especially Muzzie scum into this country.
And no fucking slovenes either, you slav scum.
>>79224362
We will see how it goes, but I believe it will only go for better. I don't think also that they would dare in their wildest dreams to do that with pensions and I'm 100% this is on the level of square bananas and 1000 laws for pillows and lies like that that come out of Euro skeptics but then you go and read that shit and it's so far off that it's beyond funny.
>>79224597
Ofc it happened and majority of people who were in it,got arrested and are waiting to get deported or getting other sentences out.
>>79225043
>majority of people who were in it,got arrested
Are you this stupid or are you shilling? No arrests have been made at all, du verdamnte Schwüler.
>>79212358
Because the others will want to leave now, it's really that simple.
Funny how it's a fucking Slovenian who's asking, rofl.
>>79225237
Then you should read newspapers and stop for a bit hanging just on far right sites and chan. 14 arrests were made in a couple of days after it happened...
>>79212358
there you go bud
that's right
who cares about balances of power??
German laws all day!
If the EU doesn't reform economically an politically it will inevitably fragment. Most of all, the Germans must stop dictating economic policies for other Euro nations.
Right now most Greeks have an extremely negative view of the EU and I wouldn't be surprised if they voted out in a future referendum.
>>79225335
Nobody wants to leave tho. There is a small uprising in Netherlands and France and that's it.
We are actually having a fair deal in EU that's why I am asking not like back in Yugoslavia when you wanted Serbinsed as all. But don't worry in 5 years you'll be in EU too. So be happy
>>79218592
>I don't think so tho. Imo it has united Europe as it was never been before.
It might have united the European Union elite who see their beloved EU salaries, expenses and pensions slipping away from them.
Most other countries are just waiting their turn to escape the draconian and blood sucking EUSSR.
Enjoy your Muslim hordes EU-philes.
>>79225363
>14 arrests were made
>over 700 sexual assaults reported in Köln
>more events happened in 5 other major european cities
Those 14 rapists sure were active!
Not to mention the dozens of other rapes the media likes to keep silent about. But sure "there were no rapes" as you said. EU is great, diversity is great! Worship your bureaucratic Muslim overlords.
>>79225754
And this is something that EU must work on. How the hell can Greeks have a bad view of EU if YOUR GREEK politicans fucked you up in the ass. Your own people deceived you and stole money and cooked the books. Not EU. Yet you are angry at EU.
>>79219181
This is exactly what the EU is... DING DING DING
>>79225818
>There is a small uprising in Netherlands
40% of the electorate is going to vote Wilders. Every poll for over 8 months indicates this. We are a proportional democracy, he will be the largest party.
Wilders has sworn to take NL out of the EU and the Euro. Suck a dick, you shill. Very few dutchmen want this crappy EU. We already organised a popular revolt in february in an anti-EU referendum on Ukraine. Now that that was ignored, anti-EU sentiment will only rise.
>>79220365
>UK loses 2 trillion in 2 days
Checks the stock market...FTSE 100 higher than before BRexit. Excellent.
Checks the German DAX - Oh dear. No move since BRexit. I guess we can see where the butthurt is going then....?
>>79225891
Funny thing tho. I am not actually pro how the Refugee crisis was handled at all. We should have send soldiers and humanitarian workers to Turkey and Syria and help them from there, not let them just because feelings. And things are already changing. All the imigrants will have to carry a special passport from now on and shit tons of other things have changed. And all those who do this stuff must be punished. Simple as.
>>79212358
I mean, I personally wish my European family in Prussia and Oslo the best, but from where I stand here, I see Merkel and elites controlling Europe for the benefit of themselves and their own grandstanding ideologies.
I don't see any evidence that the EU has been good for Spain or Portugal or Greece or Italy for that matter. Italy's economy was shit in 2008- it's still shitty nearly 10 years later except they have "cultural enrichment ala homeless and fighting age Muslim immigrants".
You guys have all got to come together and make the EU something to actually be proud of. Western people are superior to pretty much everyone on earth but this superiority didn't happen overnight and it certainly didn't happen thanks to "multiculturalism".
>>79226098
Do you wanna bet he will not get more than 30% at most? On the day of the voting I'll make a thread on here. And we bet for 100€. Your over 40% vs my bellow 30%
>>79221039
>I some how can't take you seriously if you are comparing EU to SU. You are getting better and better under one union and you were fucked daily by the other. And you know which is which.
Maybe in the rural backwoods of Slovenia, but in real Europe we can tell the difference between freedom and socialist tyranny.
We realise you've not had as much experience obviously.
>>79226098
When are the NL elections? I'm looking forward to this
>>79226282
>We should have send soldiers and humanitarian workers to Turkey and Syria
Why? Not our fucking problem. The USA is responsible, let them handle it. Shoot every refugee who tries to enter Europe, I say.
>And things are already changing
You're joking, surely? You think Erdogan will stop extorting the EU with the most effective weapon he has found in years? The Turkey deal will pass, and we will keep taking them.
>>79226429
Even if het gets 30%, he wins. Do you know how many parties we have? The last government made a coalition of two parties, with each respectively about 27% of the vote.
The remaining 70% will be split between 11 other parties. Wilders will be the biggest, and he will dictate policy.
>>79226504
15 march, 2017.
>>79226660
Forgot to mention: 27% for a single party was already unprecedentedly high for NL.
>>79223907
>Yeah, sure, it was so goddamn terrible to have the UK block all that lovely legislation.
It was all in the pipeline anyway, they just put it off until after the UK Referendum. The same thing happened with the Nice and Lisbon Treaty referendums.
Sorry we can't help any more.
>>79226342
WIth out EU those countries would colapse years ago. People don't realize how EU works and then they blame it for everything. I'll tell you now why does countries are struggling. When the market was created it became a really really new fresh market that investors, banks and other folk of their kind where more than happy to throw their money at it. Spain, Italy, Greece amassed huge loans because they could get cheap. Now the time has come to pay back those debts and they ain't got any, and with out of help from other countries in EU they would be long bankrupted. But hey I am just a shill right and I have no clue. IT's the elits who are trying to rule us, not stupid incompetent governments that those countries had that put them in all of this bullsht.
>>79226660
Then ok I say bellow 20%, Wanna bet?
>>79224535
>the EU could be gone by the end of the year
Unlikely, probably within 5-years though.
>>79226517
Erdogan will be long gone, when Turkey enters EU.
>>79226816
>WIth out EU those countries would colapse years ago
And now they will collapse all the same, but it will have cost a decade of economic growth in the north. Worth it? I'd say no. Let the south collapse.
>spain etc amassed loans
They were always in debt. Only constantly devaluing their own currency, manipulating rents and inflation allowed them to keep their heads afloat. The issue wasnt new loans, it is the Euro. They dont have a monetary policy anymore.
>>79226938
Hell, I already pay the stock market, and 100 euros is fucking nothing. I'll wager you.
I mean, this? This is a guaranteed win. Even in the lat 2 elections the PVV won over 20%.
>>79226444
This rural backwards country paid for your failed farmers for 30 years, before we even got in to EU. And we didn't get shit back from you. So in reality not some UK dream land where you are so much superior than anybody else, we did far more for you that you will ever do for us. BBC even had 1 hour Slovenian program for 20 years because of that on their radio....
>>79225818
>Nobody wants to leave tho. There is a small uprising in Netherlands and France and that's it.
>We are actually having a fair deal in EU that's why I am asking not like back in Yugoslavia when you wanted Serbinsed as all. But don't worry in 5 years you'll be in EU too. So be happy
Well of course you are, your not the fuckers that were paying for it.
Slovenia - Gib's me dat free stuff! Wait we you leaving?
Bit hard of understanding are you?
>>79227072
>when Turkey enters EU.
>when, not if
So even EU shills like you *want* Turkey in the EU. Are you mad?
And I wasnt talking about Turkey joining the EU. I was talking about the 6 billion we pay him every year to reduce refugees. Which he doesnt do, and extorts us for more.
>>79227197
He will not win however you wish for it. But I'll be quiet you leave there, so you should know more than me.
I dont think they dodged the bullet at all, they attacked precisely the wrong thing
Im no fan of the EU as it stands, but the problem isnt the existence of a pan-European pseudogovernment, it's the neoliberal ideology of the people running it... >muh sovereignty doesnt mean shit when your native elites are basically the same breed of neoliberal capitalists and you haven't got an alternative ready. You're just gonna get screwed the same way by a different set of technocrats
>>79227254
You see how little you know about EU and the countries in it. We were breaking even. We get out as much as we give in.
Exactly this works out for both of us you can have your closer and closer political union, shared currency, EU army and joint border and we can have accountable leaders we can vote in to make our laws and decide our deals instead of a bunch of unelected bureaucrats
>>79227314
Why am I mad if I want Turkey in???? Erdogan is a fool yes, but you are forgetting that the vast majority of Turks don't like him. Turkey from 1990-2011 was on the right path. Like Ataturk wanted it to be. In last few years it got a bit worse with this idiot on board, but that doesn't mean things will not get better in the future. Turks are sick and fed up with him. And majority of Turks don't give a damn about religion and shit like that.
>>79227216
>This rural backwards country paid for your failed farmers for 30 years, before we even got in to EU. And we didn't get shit back from you. So in reality not some UK dream land where you are so much superior than anybody else, we did far more for you that you will ever do for us. BBC even had 1 hour Slovenian program for 20 years because of that on their radio....
I'm calling Deja Moo on all that. Anyway it doesn't matter anymore as we are out. Find some other mug to pick up the fucking bill.
>>79212358
>Europe has never been more connected now that Brits are out
Happens everytime after a happening. Also mostly a social media phenomenon. Everyone will hate each other in a few days again.
>>79227484
Where do you come up with this stuff that you can't vote in EU for your representatives? There are elections every 5 years for it.
>>79227682
Turkey isnt in Europe. It is a backward 3rd world shithole. It is Muslim. ITS NOT IN EUROPE.
So it can fuck right off.
>the vast majority of Turks dont like Erdogan
>67% of Dutch Turks voted for him
>72% of German Turks
>44% of Turkish Turks
Not sure I believe you, shill boy.
This is the 7 thousandth thread from an Eastern European flag talking about Brexit.
Pls stop.
>>79227436
>You see how little you know about EU and the countries in it. We were breaking even. We get out as much as we give in.
Good for you, but I don't give a fuck. We're out.
>>79227810
For MEPs. Not the Councill. Not the President. Things for which you can vote in a normal country.
Not to mention, I never wanted a political union. Fuck a political union. This was supposed to be about trade. The parliament is a travesty in and off itself.
>>79227755
That's how we are :D But the truth is people do like the concept of EU and people do like living in it. And Brexit is a positive for EU and maybe even Uk but i seriously doubt that, well at least beyond the national pride.
>>79227886
European part of Turkey is a hell of a EUrope. Have you ever been there. Same shit as walking in Amsterdam or Berlin, Prauge, just a bit more crowded.
>>79227682
>Why am I mad if I want Turkey in????
You see THIS. Fucking THIS is why we voted out.
The last thing we want is Western Europe overrun by Turkroaches.
The Romanian and Bulgarian gypsies were bad enough, lazy thieving cunts.
>>79227929
Why are you so mad that we also have a voice. Is that why you left, because others had a say in things to. 4 chan IS A FREE MESSAGE BOARD, it represents everything you stand for. And on this board everybody has a right to say what ever they want. Fuck off to stormfront you faggot if you want your kind of discussion or even simpler don't write in it if you see it. I am just representing the other side.
>>79228176
Thats Greek Clay, you ignorant fuck.
>>79227810
>Where do you come up with this stuff that you can't vote in EU for your representatives? There are elections every 5 years for it.
Who voted for Martin Schultz?
Who voted for Jean Claude Juncker?
Who voted for Donald Trusk?
Nobody that I know, we didn't want them, didn't vote for them and couldn't get rid of them except by leaving the EU.
We made this plain as fucking day.
Goodbye.
>>79213995
I have thought about this and I can't see how the EU can possibly give the UK a 'decent' trade deal.
The EU is forced to give you a bad deal, or it will encourage other countries to leave the EU.
Pretty basic strategy
>>79228037
Do you actually know what kind of role the PRESIDENT of EU has, He is so unimportant, basically he is the secretary for scheduling meetings and that's it.
>>79228037
You and your 5% of people didn't want it. Rest do and this is unfortunatly a democracy and you will have to deal with it or move. Or try take back your land. What ever suits you.
>>79228467
>I have thought about this and I can't see how the EU can possibly give the UK a 'decent' trade deal.
Not without violating its own treaty with the World Trade Organisation, which took about 30-years to agree.
>>79228509
Doesnt matter. Cant elect him.
>>79228629
No one was consulted on the matter, you anti-democratic fascist.
>>79228043
The truth is over 90% don't have any idea what the EU is. "It's just there and we have to deal with it, like it or not" is the basic answer you get when asking people about it.
>>79228461
Look read my OP. I am saying I AM HAPPY THAT YOU ARE OUT AND THAT I RESPECT THAT AND THAT I WISH YOU WELL! Why are you still mad and bitching about EU. You're out enjoy.
BTW: Those people are elected by the PEOPLE YOU VOTED IN THE EU PARLIAMENT FFS. YOU VOTED PEOPLE IN WHO VOTED THEM ON THEIR POSITIONS. Pick better ones next time, oh wait you'll not in it anymore....
>>79228629
>You and your 5% of people didn't want it. Rest do and this is unfortunatly a democracy and you will have to deal with it or move. Or try take back your land. What ever suits you.
Or alternately have NExit and the Dutch do exactly the same as the UK. How many major economies bailing out do you need before you get the message.
Trade is okay, but we want no part of a political union.
>>79228912
but the people voted in are corrupt and pro EU
Fuck all of you from shitty ass countries that spit on EU. I'd like to remind you that it's thanks to the EU that you can come to France or Germany and steal our jobs; thanks to the EU that you have modern infrastuctures; thanks to the EU that you get free monies.
I'm taxed every day thanks to the EU to develop your countries and now you spit on it ?! You ungrateful little shit!
>>79228851
You kind of can have influence on who will be elected. You vote for people from your country that will represent you and they vote who will be the top dogs. Choose wisley who you wish in EU parliament or at least start taking those elections seriously or you'll be stuck again with people you don't want in control.
>>79212358
Replace Sweden with Norway, and take out Portugal and Spain and that map looks very, very familiar man...
>>79229014
Yes Farage was so pro EU?????? Or Le penn???? And then those idiots get voted in by the idiots in their countries and then they acuse EU for failing them.....
>>79229057
I'm going to stay far away from France and Germany in my comfy icecube. The only good thing I can say about these countries is German beer.
>>79229057
>Fuck all of you from shitty ass countries that spit on EU.
You're next Francoise, as soon as Marine Le Pen gets her feet under the desk in the Élysée Palace.
Might take a few years though...
>>79229116
No one cares about the EU parliament. So much so, only 37% of people voted for it. Such a low turnout would have been declared illegal in my country, and an investigation would have been called. To the EU? Doesnt matter.
as for MEPs deciding who is in the commission and the presidency? Good joke. Bureaucrats and oligarchs decide that.
And always remember, power corrupts. Many a politician will turn pro-EU just to secure a cozy job after they become unelectable. See: timmermans, verhofstadt, juncker. None of them are electable in their own countries. They are absolutely despised.
>>79229057
Sounds like the EU is a bad deal for you. Why do you think it's so great?
>>79229214
>Replace Sweden with Norway, and take out Portugal and Spain and that map looks very, very familiar man...
Missing a few Soviet tanks though...
>>79229057
>Dutch take money from the EU
>dutch didnt have modern infrastructure pre-EU
Shut up France. You get almost 50% of the EU agricultural subsidy. You are poor cunts who steal our money, just like the rest.
>>79229057
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
>>79224362
The euro works well for the Germans at least
>>79229653
don't they propose most EU censorship laws
>>79212358
It's great for the EU, it's removed the last obstacle to total federalisation. The EU love that.
It's the EU's 27 remaining vassal states that need to be worried.
>>79229116
>Choose wisley who you wish in EU parliament or at least start taking those elections seriously or you'll be stuck again with people you don't want in control.
The EU Parliament is a Potemkin parliament, for show and not much else. It cannot propose primary legislation, therefore it is as much use as a chocolate barbecue.
All EU power is contained within the unelected, unaccountable and unremoveable Commission, Council of Ministers and the EU Executive.
>>79229541
>>79229057
There is 170,00 only English from Uk workers in currently working in France. Don't worry once they are out you'll get those jobs back, Not to mention that Paris will most likley be the new capital for EURO, because for now it was London.
>>79214377
Stop with the Scotland leaving nonsense. They can't. As in they may not, they won't be given permission.
>>79229757
>The euro works well for the Germans at least
The Euro was designed to work best for the Germans, it provides them with a natural short which is paid for by the Southern Europeans.
This means that German goods are cheaper than they otherwise would be.
>>79230119
They won't get permission from who? No way that they can get as much money out of UK as they can get out of EU. It will not happen this year. Max 5 tho and they are out
>>79229938
Sure sure UKIP or Farage told you that.
>>79230310
Scotland wants back in the EU but other nations in the EU would veto their admission
so they'd be pretty fucked
>>79230119
>They can't. As in they may not, they won't be given permission.
They'd be given permission if they asked for it as it costs the UK a lot to keep the Scots in the style to which they have become accustomed due to the Barnett Formula.
The rest of the UK (England and Wales) would be glad to get rid of them.
They won't go as they have no where to go to now. The EU won't accept them as it would cause problems with separatist movements in Spain and France.
They can't even balance their budget, their deficit is the largest in the EU (about 8 to 10%), so the EU won't touch them.
There are enough pigs on the EU tit as it is.
>>79230310
>being in favour of draining money from more succesful EU countries to subsidy poorer ones
Another major reason we want the fuck out of the EU.
>>79230392
A parliament that cannot propose legislation is democratic? Find me a single other example of that on earth.
>>79229541
Than that's your problem. Start caring for it if you want better results. I mean look fucking Farage got in from Uk. He would not step a foot in any parliament in Europe ever..... Start taking this shit seriously and maybe things will start working for you. And yes I totaly agree power corrupts. And those politicians who are leeching on EU funds shouldn't be in it. But it's on us that we don't let them in FFS. That's our responsibility.
>>79213995
How many of the laws did we actually manage to avoid? AFAIK only a few.
>>79212358
Does anyone have any legit sources for the trade deals being offered to the UK? Someone on Twitter implied it's all "far right" propoganda.
>>79230506
Yes as long as they are under UK. Once they are out tho, proceedings for entering EU would start. And it wouldn't take them long to be in it. Only two nations are vetoing tho : Spain and France and both said UNTIL THEY ARE PART OF UK:
>>79230392
>Sure sure UKIP or Farage told you that.
The Vote "Leave" campaign did not involve Nigel Farage or UKIP, but my information on the EU Parliament is from a textbook, not referendum campaign literature.
If you're going to make insinuations, get your facts right.
>>79229994
>London capital of EURO
Frankfurt baby
>>79230652
Role: Directly-elected EU body with legislative, supervisory, and budgetary responsibilities
Members: 751 MEPs (Members of the European Parliament)
C'mon son.....
>>79230607
Westminster will not give permission. I'd put 50 quid on it. Jocks need to give up on that shite.
>>79230752
There were more than 1000 laws that were suited to your lot so you didn't get to mad.
>>79230652
>>being in favour of draining money from more succesful EU countries to subsidy poorer ones
>Another major reason we want the fuck out of the EU.
Pretty much a big part of why we left. Sick and tired of spunking billions of Euros away each year and every time we demanded reform getting told to go fuck ourselves.
That doesn't work for us.
That's why we got off Mr. Bones Wild Ride.
>>79230976
Yes or Frankfurt. Or even Dublin. Or Madrid.
>>79212358
Christ you are a moron. EU shilling on 4chins, much kek
>>79219965
>>79220022
Americans should be banned from EU/brexit threads.
Go watch your retarded sports and cuck porn
>>79230705
>Start caring for it if you want better results.
How about I dont vote in protest? In actual countries, that is an actual protest vote, and if it reaches a depth, it has consequences. Not in the EU though!
>take the EU seriously
Fucking never. I'd rather resort to muslim style terror attacks to fight against this tyranny.
"God shall conduct me like a good instrument,
Loyal to the fatherland, unto death"
-Wilhelmus van Nassau
>>79231023
I dont give a fuck what their nominal role is. The role of a parliament in the trias politica is legislative. And that is not the fucking case in the EU. The EU violates every philosophical and basic principle of democracy.
The councill is both legislative and executive. That used to get you the death penalty. Not in the EU though! Just keep on trucking!
>>79212358
hmm...let's see
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
all rightey then.
>>79231241
This thread is probably the most productive discussion where we are debating on real issues in the last year on 4chan... faggot fuck off to stormfront if you want only one sided discussions, kike fucker.
>>79230894
>Yes as long as they are under UK. Once they are out tho, proceedings for entering EU would start.
You clearly have no understanding of economics or currency risk. 64% of Scotland's exports are in £ sterling to the UK, so they could not accept the Euro which is mandatory for all new members.
Also to leave the UK would require them to settle the outstanding proportion of debt, which they can't afford to do.
>>79214061
>Implying they wouldn't pick the most suitable answers to their cause
Srsly dud?
>>79212358
We're an island, shit it fuycked up, too many immigrants, we've seen 5m in past few years and no homes being built, so a 3 bed flat in southwest London will cost you £7m
wages have gone down, houses are impossible to buy, you will rent forever from a paki BTL LL.
My town cant cope with the Polish here, Polish are taking over here, more of them that brits now. I dont mind them, but weneedto have a say on numbers, othweise... shit will get real and without warning, we will snap.
in the 90's a 3 bed flat in a city was £50-90k
now its 300k - millions becuase all the rich cunts buy up all the land here and brits cant survive, we have real poverty issues here, we are supposed to be 5th largest economy, but all the wealth is in London, paying off the SNP in Scotland.
>>79231023
>Role: Directly-elected EU body with legislative, supervisory, and budgetary responsibilities
>Members: 751 MEPs (Members of the European Parliament)
Translation: CANT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING.
Are you really this stupid?
>>79231412
Wait you don't want to take EU seriously yet you shit on it. You have no ground to stand on and make those claims, from a philosophical and moral point of view.
>>79231521
Not to mention Spain and Belgium would never, ever allow them entry due to their own independence issue, and they dont want to encourage them.
If you see this post >>79212358
You have been visited by the Salty Slovene of Europhilia
Freedom and prosperity shall come to your country, but only if you post "what's a Slovenia?" in this thread.
>>79231685
what would happen if Scotland just got booted out of the UK for being such a drain
>>79231393
You talk as if you make any sense on the matter whatsoever. Everyone knows the UK was the biggest contributor to the EU cash pot, now we're gone other smaller places are likely to follow.
Remember this post when I tell you Finland are leaving next and from then on its a snowball effect.
Don't talk bad to our American buds because you dont know shit about politics you Croatian faglord.
>>79231075
>Westminster will not give permission. I'd put 50 quid on it. Jocks need to give up on that shite.
We did last time and we'll do it again, because we know that they can't make a budget work without massive spending cuts and austerity.
Independence for Scotland would make them like Greece. They would be bankrupt from day one.
>>79231739
Rea this if you don't believe me you cuck. WTF MAN. This is easily available to everybody and you google it in like 5 seconds. But oh it's an EU site so they are prolly shilling and nothing is true on it.
>>79231777
You cant even answer my argument except meme answers back at me. Go read Montesquie, you child.
The EU is a danger, but I will never take it seriously as a democratic institute. Only as a threat to my country's sovereignty. I would rather die than let the Netherlands dissolve into a super state.
VOOR GOD EN VADERLAND!
>>79228037
>For MEPs. Not the Councill. Not the President. Things for which you can vote in a normal country.
The Dutch elect their prime minister and cabinet directly? I thought they only elected the parliament.
>>79231977
>But oh it's an EU site so they are prolly shilling and nothing is true on it.
But thats true. Go read the EU page on TTIP, and tell me its not completely dishonest shilling.
>>79231078
>There were more than 1000 laws that were suited to your lot so you didn't get to mad.
Over 41 years yes, they were exceptions to EU regulations because the EU refused to reform itself and kept trying to force us into a one-size-fits-all political union which we refused back in the 1970's.
>>79232012
Lol you are drunk go to sleep.....
>>79232085
No they are a special kind of snowflake they vote on everything.
>>79232085
Of course we do, you fucking nitwit. Well, not the president. We have the King, god be with him. No cuck president for us.
>>79232219
Unpatriotic shills who are unwilling to put their life on the line for what they believe in will never win from those who will die for their ideals.
This is why the EU will lose, in the end.
God, King and country. You spineless traitor.
>>79232330
Really? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Dutch_general_election makes me believe that you only elect the parliament. Are you lying to me?
>>79232274
Except their supreme court, which is nominated by their Queen :)
>>79231924
>what would happen if Scotland just got booted out of the UK for being such a drain
Wouldn't happen. We united with Scotland in 1707 because they were an ongoing territorial threat and a threat to the crown that had to be neutralised.
I doubt we would give that up without assurances.
>>79230506
>>79230894
Spain doesn't want Catalan and Basque regions to be able to just succeed then join the EU, for example. But the EU would be okay with it, they want to destroy the nations anyways. Can Spain veto?
>>79232141
We just got rid of the biggest supporters for TTIP you should be happy. ANd like Dutch wouldn't eat the TTIP if they weren't in EU and you wouldn't lose a second of your sleep because of it.
TTIP is a horrible deal as it is tho and shit needs to be changed. And it will be now the UK is out . If it doesn't I promise you I will be fighting with you to tear apart EU. But I am confident that it will change a lot now.
Also read this again:
I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. “That’s easy,” he replied. “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.”
If you were alone you government would be licking his boots and Dutch SUN would be on every corner.
>>79232456
We elect the parties. Whom we elect based on the candidate and in-spe government they propose. The candidate for PM and ministers are always announced before an election.
That is one of the reasons why we have so many parties. People vote on those they feel are closest to their position. Or whom they like most, often enough.
>>79232330
I always forget Beatrix abdicated
>>79232527
Indeed :)
>>79232012
>The EU is a danger, but I will never take it seriously as a democratic institute. Only as a threat to my country's sovereignty. I would rather die than let the Netherlands dissolve into a super state.
We'd probably take arms with the Dutch if the EU superstate needed to be brought down. It's been done before.
>>79232718
The party that won the most seats during the last EU election ran with Juncker as their Presidential candidate. Looks like the system is quite similar to yours.
>>79232330
Having a monarchy or even just a hereditary aristocracy makes you a cuck btw.
>>79232674
Spain has nothing against when referendum is acknowledged from both sides like in UK: They will never let referendum in Catalonia tho. At least as far as I know.
>>79232527
>queen
Are you calling my king a cuck, mate? I'll fucking kill you mate.
>implying EU judges are elected
>>79232705
There has been massive anti-TTIP agitation here. 7 out of 11 parties have promised they wouldnt ratify it. You are a fuckwit who has no idea what plays in the Netherlands.
THE EU IS THE ONLY AND BIGGEST SHILL FOR TTIP YOU FUCKING LIAR!
Juncker and Timmermans have been advocating for it relentlessly.
Rupert Murdoch has no influence outside the anglosphere. We dont read his tabloid rags over here, we have our own ones. Anglo style media doesnt do very well in our very reseved calvinist culture.
>>79232903
dunce
>>79232219
>Lol you are drunk go to sleep.....
So, you're not denying that the various national referendums that went against the EU were either ignored (like Greece) or the people were forced to vote again until they got the "Right" answer.
Because that is a matter of absolute fact.
>>79232903
Shut up burger, you should be worrying about Obama's Pan-American Caucus.
>>79232895
On 37% of the votes. Again. That would be Illegal in NL. We would not have a government untill enquiries would have been finished and the electorates concerns adressed.
Belgium had this for over a year. Fucking Belgium is more democratic than the EU.
>>79230310
Scotland literally runs on English money, from their roads to their hospitals to their pensions.
>>79231938
> snowball effect
Nice buzzword. The only snowball effect you'll see will be the withdrawal of tech companies from London.
> british contributions
Nice meme, you're probably last in contributions per capita.
Even Italy contributed more than you have in total
>>79233228
>On 37% of the votes. Again. That would be Illegal in NL.
What? Didn't you just say that Wilders would become PM with only 30% of the vote?
>>79232674
>Spain doesn't want Catalan and Basque regions to be able to just succeed then join the EU, for example. But the EU would be okay with it, they want to destroy the nations anyways. Can Spain veto?
Yes, existing members can veto new members and it's been done (or threatened) over Turkey for example.
It's not just Spain that has the problem. France has the same problem with the Basque region and Corsica and Italy has similar problems between the North and the South.
>>79233137
>>79233228
Cucks gunna cuck. I am a citizen, not a subject to some lucky sperm.
>>79233013
Dude lol UK was the BIGGEST SHILL IN EU FOR TTIP. UK is the most neoliberal country that ever was in EU. Now they are gone!! Like it or not deal will be made between US and EU. It's on EU that it's more in our favour tho. Those parties are against TTIP as we know it not against TTIP deal tho(change the name if you want or whatever some kind of deal would be made and you know it). And you fucking now that. I have no idea why are you fighting with the mills when you could be fighting a serious fights that matter.
>>79233305
>you're probably last in contributions per capita
Per capita? They are second, after us. Then the Germans. Like 5 countries pay into this project, all the others cost money.
since when does croatia back the E"unlimited muslim dick"U? I thought you were sensible conservative catholics.
>>79233460
Fucking hilarious, citizen of the nigger state, run by oligarchs
>>79233156
In order to save democracy and freedom sometimes tyranny must be used. And it should be used a lot more in the past because it would get us out of so much shit that we got ourselfs in the past.
I have also no idea tho about those referendums so I am just trying to sound a bit edggy :P
>>79233409
Not as a single party. He would have to get a coalition to get 51% of the seats. But as the biggest party, he'd automatically get the PM seat.
anyway, this isnt about the amount of seats, but electoral turnout. i.e. how many people voted. Not the distribution of votes. Du volidiot.
>>79233473
>UK was the BIGGEST SHILL IN EU FOR TTIP. UK is the most neoliberal country that ever was in EU
Absolute fucking lies. Germany was the one backing TTIP. Do you have a single article to back up a British support for TTIP?
>>79233582
No shit, idiot. If you think monarchy is great you're a low self-esteem cuck.
>>79233460
>Cucks gunna cuck. I am a citizen, not a subject to some lucky sperm.
Obama ain't even a house nigger.
>>79233255
Which they get from EU.....
>>79212358
Man, I'm from Italy and agree with you.
Markets aside (and that's a big question mark), UK was a rogue country in EU terms.
Basically, UK benefitted from:
>Common market
>Schengen
>Political representation
But had opts out, and didn't commit to anything specific. A lot of things EU member states abide by, did not apply to UK.
So UK was that special little flower who got most of the benefits and none of the hassle.
Even refugees could be rejected:
>Geneva convention says if they show up at the border, you HAVE to take care of them
>But UK said: "muh EU border is muh border"
>So they were able to relocate people or send them back to France
>Not any more if they're out of EU
My dream is that the UK bites the dust (I'm sorry for the common people, but that's a necessary phase) and then re-enters the EU but this time in full compliance with the Treaty of Lisbon and without a special treatment.
>>79233305
Now now don't let facts get in the way.....
>>79233724
>In order to save democracy and freedom sometimes tyranny must be used
>sometimes tyranny must be used
Do you understand your second statement undermines the first? Democracy is the antithesis to tyranny. Tyranny can never save democracy, it is the destruction of democracy.
Good god man, read Bastiat.
>>79233728
>anyway, this isnt about the amount of seats, but electoral turnout.
Maybe you should have voted. You're like those 18-25 year old Bremainer cucks who cry about Brexit but didn't even bother to go out and vote.
>>79233798
What? The UK is a net contributor, we´re not like the belt of laziness which has to get bailed out every year.
>>79233728
Your hate for Germany is so cute. YOu are a true Dutch hahahah :D It was English sorry, you can't blame this one on ze germans. Find something else.
>>79233798
Another EU lie. What businesses does the EU run? What taxpayers does it have? None. That is all money from member states. The EU has no money to give anyone. Just money to steal from the taxpayer, line their own pockets and "redestribute"
>>79233958
You do realize you still get shit ton of money for EU projects and that shit. Like shit ton of it. Like so much that entire regions in Wales and Scotland are more than 50% dependent on them....
>>79233724
>In order to save democracy and freedom sometimes tyranny must be used.
We're not talking about a limited dictatorship during time of war like Lucius Cornelius Sulla.
The EU as an institution is anti-democratic. We tried for decades to reform it to be more democratic and accountable, but they would have none of it.
That's why we left last week.
>>79234136
You mean the UK gives a shit ton of money to Brussels which then spends it in the UK?
>>79233830
READ WHAT THIS MAN HAS WRITTEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME!
good post Italian bro.
>>79233495
Let's talk percentages.
Contributions per capita translate into percentage ratios.
Germany contributes 21.36 with 15.92 population
Italy contributes 11.48 with 11.98 population
The UK contributes 12.57 with 12.67 population
The NL contributes 5.77 with 3.32 population
While your country is ranked pretty high, the UK is surpassed by Austria, Sweden, Denmark, France, and Belgium, among others.
>>79233958
>What? The UK is a net contributor, we´re not like the belt of laziness which has to get bailed out every year.
Yeah, but such contributions are your ticket to political representation in the EU... in which you used to have one of the biggest slices in the Parliament.
Now imagine you have to comply with everything the Common market imposes you but without political representation.
At least formerly you had a chance at affecting the other EU conventions (e.g. ECC to name one)... and more than once UK has been successful at changing the direction the EU was going.
So your net expenditure is the price of relevance.
And not just that:
by funding EU you indirectly provide international help to crappy countries such as the Baltic ones and Eastern Europe.
This is EXACTLY what contributes to preventing more Poles from flooding the European market.
When Poland or other developing countries will be on the good track, less and less people will leave them. So you were basically paying to have people stay at home... which is a win/win in migratory terms.
>>79234136
That's Britain's own money being given back to them.
>>79233897
I have voted on every election since I was 18 years old. I dont think you even understand what we are talking about.
Electoral turnout = % of the people that went to vote. In the Netherlands, it is law that if under 50% of the people go out to vote (so, less than 8,5 million) elections are declared illegal and the existing parliament has to institute an inquirty to discover why the voter did not vote, and what concerns are not being addressed by existing parties. You dumb cocksucker.
>>79234008
No proof there, dumbass. Prove the UK was pro-TTIP.
I am fucking pro-Grossdeutschland (provided it is federated and conservative). I love the Germans, I dont hate them. You strawmanning üntermensch slav.
>>79233798
>Which they get from EU.....
Nope. Most Scottish funding is directly from the UK treasury under the Barnett formula. Any funding from the EU is substantially less than UK contributions, far, far, less in fact.
>>79234301
>While your country is ranked pretty high, the UK is surpassed by Austria, Sweden, Denmark, France, and Belgium, among others.
But that's just natural.
Smaller countries make up in contribution what they cannot do in terms of people's representative.
Smaller countries have a smaller share of EU MPs... so they push a little more in terms of per capita contributions in order to have a better say.
There was a reason why De Gaul didn't let Brits in. I think we all owe them apologizes and should all visit his grave to say we are sorry.
>>79233830
>But had opts out, and didn't commit to anything specific. A lot of things EU member states abide by, did not apply to UK.
Because we always refused to belong to a political union. We were promised a trade deal with the EEC in 1973 and the EEC gradually evolved into the EU --- A POLITICAL UNION.
We tried to stop it time and again but were ignored, so in the end we had no option but to leave. Even Juncker admitted as much in February.
>>79234301
>Germany contributes 21.36 with 15.92 population
I mean... Germany has 82 million people. What the fuck do you mean 15.92 million people? Are you Drunk?
Its also a question of GDP. You pay based on GDP, not population. Per capita, the Netherlands is at the top. In terms of pure contribution, the Netherlands ranks 4th.
>sweden
>not bankrupt
>Belgium
>paying anyone anything
Now I know you are just fantasizing
>>79234530
My point was, there are countries that contribute more than the UK in every possible aspect. And the British still keep on bitching about being the main money makers in the union
>>79233897
>Maybe you should have voted. You're like those 18-25 year old Bremainer cucks who cry about Brexit but didn't even bother to go out and vote.
Agreed German friend. We've been laughing our ass off over those stupid cucks all week.
Their tears, like Bitburger Beer, very delicious.
>>79234335
Not exactly read what this based Italian has to say. He can put in words things I ment to say far better
>>79234319
>>79212358
>>79234660
>Are you Drunk?
You're drunk if you can't figure out that it means that Germany makes 21% of the contributions and has 15% of the population.
>>79234660
> Are you Drunk?
Are you retarded or just illiterate?
>>79234802
Spain, Greece, Portugal and Italy would like a word.
>>79234802
then again, without that log each of them is shouldering, each of them could easily make the jump, but the log weights them all down and makes them dependent on each other to pass something simple as that gap.
>>79234008
>It was English sorry, you can't blame this one on ze germans.
Nope. English refused TTIP as well. Find some other scapegoat.
>>79234827
>>79234870
Who the fuck uses % population when countries contribute by GDP? That is a retarded measure.
% people in the EU only matters in the allocation of MEP seats.
>>79234921
I think if Greece hadnt joined the EU, it would have defaulted without all the EU money by now though.
>>79234952
Deep
>>79234136
>You do realize you still get shit ton of money for EU projects and that shit. Like shit ton of it. Like so much that entire regions in Wales and Scotland are more than 50% dependent on them....
If you take money from me and then give me a small percentage of that back, that's still essentially my money.
>>79235052
Yes, but it could have devalued, raised interest and raised inflation.
And it would not have to have put its entire economy as a security on German loans.
>>79234335
>That's Britain's own money being given back to them.
Consider this: UK is member of the WTO only via proxy... i.e it is EU that negotiated access to the WTO, not UK.
UK has been happy for 40 years with EU policing borders (and borders being very distant from UK's borders) and regulating steel market from China and sheit.
Now they are not happy any more.
But don't come at me and say that UK's cash spent for the EU was not fostering UK's interests... because most of the time it did.
You can see it as an investment in terms of international relations... instead of paying ambassadors and sheit you fund a system that allows you MPs to show up and vote against decisions made by other member states.
Or... you can view it as just a way of delegating power. Which doesn't mean power is lost (UK had an opt out and used it: it's evidence UK has always been sovereign, isn't it? Otherwise Brexit wouldn't have happened). It just means things are being delegated.
E.g.: suppose you are major of London and you delegate the management of transports in your town to a German-Italian coalition of entrepreneurs that manage transports all over Europe. In exchange, you get a saying in that coalition (also elsewhere, because your opinion matters), and they provide for the transportation in your own city. This is just okay... it is not a subtraction of sovereignty -- it's just a different way of managing things.
>>79234164
>We tried for decades to reform it to be more democratic
When was the last time Britain tried to make the EU more democratic?
They wouldn't even give up parliament seats for the EU enlagment IIRC
And they even blocked the Constitution
It was always about enlarging British influence at the cost of others
>>79234345
Where is your pruf you clog wearing blue district worshiper fag drugie?
>>79235003
GDP % ratios still check out, putting lots of countries above the UK. Major ones being Germany, France, and Italy.
>>79234952
Makes you think.
>>79235125
>If you take money from me and then give me a small percentage of that back, that's still essentially my money.
>>79234319
Posting the based Italian. Read and think once in your life. Please.
>>79234301
Yes, because we were assessed for too much originally, which is why the EU rebated some of the money back to us.
It's known as the EU Rebate in the UK, fairly straight-forward and it means that we receive back far less in EU funds than other countries as well.
Cuts both ways you know.
>>79235196
>make claim
>asks opponent to provide proof
Not how it works, you fucking slav.
>>79234977
Nope. It was THE BRITS.
>>79234594
>Because we always refused to belong to a political union.
Are you saying that British EU MPs and British leaders in the Council have ***always*** voted against every politically uniting EU bill?
I'm not attacking your view. I deeply respect it. But I am uneasy when I read the pronoun "we"... especially because it is apparently referred to 51% of the population.
In Italy, certain things require 66.6% to go through... otherwise the majority is not deemed sufficient. I won't go into details, but maybe instead of asking yes/no questions, you should have asked a preferential vote, in which voters number priorities. E.g.
[2] Border union
[3] Treaty of Lisbon
[1] Prevent migrants and refugee
Something like that. The in/out referendum didn't allow for a detailed polling of all the things that were put on the table by every different lobby and group of citizens...
...and that's precisely why referendums are, overall, very poor instruments at making surgical and detailed choices that require complex decision trees to be followed.
>>79234760
And I fully endorse this.
Apologies for the misunderstanding.
>>79233305
You must be baiting because everything you say is just pure fiction, do you get fed propaganda through your media like spaghetti in an Italian kitchen?
>>79235501
Go back to blue district wanna be german. I want pruf show me the pruf!
>>79234802
Man, I didn't come here for Eurofeelz... but...
>Eurofeelz
*__________________*
>>79235453
Others are *still* ahead in net contributions.
I imagine you'd have to go pretty find some UK-friendly statistic.
Brexit was a nostalgic childish fit of a fallen empire. I hope you'll do well and force the union to improve itself. The financial predictions are looking pretty grim though
>>79235823
>claims the UK was pro TTIP
>cant prove shit
Shillary shilling shill detected
>>79233013
> Anglo style media doesnt do very well in our very reseved calvinist culture.
Bless you Netherlands. don't go changing or inviting in the already changed.
>>79235052
>I think if Greece hadnt joined the EU, it would have defaulted without all the EU money by now though.
There wouldn't have been as much to default as noone would be so stupid as to lend the Greeks all of that money.
Equally, without the Euro they would have just had massive inflation, revalued the Drachma and job done.
Whereas the Greece are in year 6 of austerity and hunger?
>>79234952
the log symbolises the burden of capitalist profit
>>79235968
Why would anyone who puts more money in than gets money out want to stay? Other than Germany obviously. Once the main contributes are out the EU will fall, don't think I really need to explain that if all the countries left are taking it will be a very empty pot of gold left in Merkels pocket.
>>79235188
>When was the last time Britain tried to make the EU more democratic?
>>February
>They wouldn't even give up parliament seats for the EU enlagment IIRC
>>No, but they gave up veto rights and replaced it with qualified majority voting.
>And they even blocked the Constitution
>> Because the "constitution" was the Road to Political Union, which we rejected.
>It was always about enlarging British influence at the cost of others
>> Nope, UK influence has diluted dramatically over the years.
>>79235690
Due to the nature of my job, I'm forced to keep track of at least 4 major foreign media outlets (both right and left wing) on a daily basis, to try and get a more realistic picture. I also tend to use statistical tools quite often.
You're the one eating propagada, Basil
>>79235588
>Are you saying that British EU MPs and British leaders in the Council have ***always*** voted against every politically uniting EU bill?
Nope. We've threatened to veto the bill, then been offered an opt-out and accepted as a compromise.
We have never objected to others forming a political union, but we've never wanted a part of it.
>>79236193
> Why would anyone who puts more money in than gets money out want to stay?
Because they're not doing a financial investment, they're buying
Something else to think about it too. China and India both massive markets had a shit ton restrctions on trading with EU because of UK, now those restrictions are gone. Those two markets can easily bring in at least half of what UK was giving to EU.
>>79234319
Except that money was going to new arrivals ("refugees") and vanity projects. one COULD invest directly into the weaker countries in the region IF THEY SHOWED THEY WERE NOT WASTING IT or being corrupt. Greece (its government) were screwing it over and those in the EU and the Greek people are now paying for it with austerity measures etc.
Again: Direct investment. No EU needed.
>>79236419
Is that so? I'd just like to know how you can make so many incorrect statements after looking at so many sources, maybe you're just daft? I hope you remember this thread when the next EU boom happens friendo because I can promise you right now brexit won't be the last thing to happen to the EU.
>>79212358
Good job OP, you went from butthurt to denial when it's usually the other way around after getting fucked so hard in the ass.
The eu will fall apart after turkey joins.
>I hate euro-fuckers so much
>>79212358
It honestly wouldn't be that bad if it just included NORTHERN Europeans. But Germany and Sweden's suicide combined with the addition of Turkey will just lead to a caliphate.
>>79236721
Yeah we love buying nonnegotiable rules set by the idiots in Brussels, I can understand why a tiny place like Croatia would want to stay but UK has a large Market that many places outside the EU are interested in, we don't need the EU as much as the EU needs us.
>>79235968
>Brexit was a nostalgic childish fit of a fallen empire.
Nope. All our political parties lobbied hard for "Remain".
It was the British people who opted to ignore that and voted for "Leave".
This was an act of DEMOCRACY.
You may want to look that up in the dictionary or encyclopedia as you seem to be struggling with the meaning of the word.
>>79236883
Don't worry, Turkey won't join the EU
>>79236855
Well, If it makes you sleep better, yes yes everything will fell apart.
>>79237017
Would you also agree that majority of people are idiots?
>>79212358
What's with the million threads from irrelevant E.U. countries recently?
Do they think they actually have an opinion on Brexit and that anybody cares what it may be?
There are only five relevant countries in the U.K. and once Article 50 is implemented there will only be four.
Go back to pan handling for euros and prepare for the handouts to be reduced when the UK leaves.
>>79236855
>The eu will fall apart after turkey joins.
Nope. It will fall apart after one more major country leaves, either the Netherlands or France.
I give it another 5-years before it goes the same way as the League of Nations.
