Nationalists/Racialists, why do you believe an individual should look out for the interests of his race/nation over self-interest?
Pic obliquely relevant
>>79197361
Because the nation/race can live on, while the individual is going to die and fade out of existence.
>>79197846
Why the nation over the family?
>>79198001
You can provide for you family and still be a nationalist.
>>79197361
That is a short-sighted distinction. Your own people are the most natural allies and it is within your self-interest to strengthen them.
You are a part of your nation and your nation is a part of you. That's enough reason.
And look, we don't need a bunch of bleeding heart patriots marching down the streets, we just need people that recognize the importance of the people they live with and the land they live in.
At the bare minimum caring about getting actively involved in politics and having civical culture.
>>79197361
Frig off crown
>>79197846
But when the individual dies why should he care for the continuation of his nation/race, he won't be able to derive pleasure from it?
>>79197846
But why should the individual care as when he dies he cannot derive any pleasure from the continuation of his nation/race?
>>79198226
You could say "You can provide for yourself and still be a nationalist"
The question is what you are putting first. Why don't you put your family first? Your family will live on after you die.
>>79199424
But someone else will be able to, arguing anything past this is bordering nihilism.
>>79197361
>Pic obliquely relevant
Ancapistan pls
>>79199611
>But someone else will be able to
But why should I care?
>>79199611
correct. since ultimately the world is meaningles, why should i work for my nation rather than worship the god of tits and wine
without your people there would be no you.
>>79197361
because collectivism is the only way racialists can curb the inherent incongruities of their nihilist philosophy, since without God why would anyone work toward any longterm goal? the answer is they wouldn't but they might be tricked into doing so if you raise racial considerations before them as a kind of god, as all socialists do with the state or their personality cults.
>>79197361
The real problem with any sort of question like this is that it ultimately comes down to a person's fundamental values.
You cannot logically argue for it. You can only appeal to emotion.
Anyone who attempts to argue for any fundamental values logically has never taken time to sit down and figure out what they truly want and why.
>>79198311
>"you are part of your nation and your nation is a part of you"
>"you are a part of your world and your world is a part of you"
>"you are a part of your galactic empire and your galactic empire is a part of you"
>"Earthlings have to work mining Zirconium for the greater good of the Galactic empire, it's for your own good or we will kill you all if you don't :^)"
>>79199424
>But when the individual dies why should he care for the continuation of his nation/race, he won't be able to derive pleasure from it?
Pleasure doesnt just come from materialistic means.People will find pleasure in things ike raising well a child or serve his nation.The problem are not this people,the problem are the psycopaths,that just gain pleasure from material gains
>Be in ancap society
>Wake up in a mansion that I could buy due constant devaluation.
>Have thousands of suppliers of food that deliver my breakfast ,in less than 10 minutes
>Go to work in my jetpack,as roads arent needed anymore
>Work 2 hours due automatization
>Earn enough gold and bitcoins to not work in the next 2 weeks,due constant devaluation
>Open a bussiness with 1% of what I earn
>Become rich as fuck with my bussiness of selling heroin to kindergarden prostitutes
>Go back to my mansion and call a super model to bang,and she comes in 10 minutes with her jetpack
>Physically remove commies in the afternnon to protect the ancap utopia
>Go back to bed in my mansion,protected by privatly owned security forces,that I can afford thanks to my heroin bussiness
>>79199424
Read some Epicurus. He formalizes the philosophy of "my own pleasure is the highest good".
>>79200380
>since without God why would anyone work toward any longterm goal?
enjoyment, challenge, curiosity, human nature. there is satisfaction in accomplishing goals for most people. doesn't matter what the end result of the universe is.
>>79197361
Nationalism is altruism out of self interest.
Ones people is the last stage in a pyramid of entities humankind has developed in the individuals interest.
Race
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People
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Tribe
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Kin
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Inner Family
Fighting in the interest of one of these entities trickles down to the interest of the entities below the one for which one acts.
If I fight for my nation I fight for my tribe, if I fight for my tribe I fight for my kin, if I fight for my kin I fight for my family and if I fight for my family I fight for myself, since mankind can't prevail without family.
>>79200888
>implying sex robots haven't already been invented by now
>>79200888
>Update
Sounds like heaven, doesn't it?
>>79197361
Because individual responsibility doesn't exist. I mean, if you buy your own clothes and buy your own food, that's great and all, but everything you buy is statistically predictable, which means that you're not actually choosing what's in your own interest; you're trying to conform.
>>79201113
you speak only for autists, not for normal humans.
>>79201129
and yet germany is completely cucked and sucking nigger and arab dick! pull a hitler and get rid of that scum and help us mop up this shit youve made!
>>79197361
>why do you believe an individual should look out for the interests of his race/nation over self-interest?
because crowd sourcing a nation is cheaper and more efficient than having to pay for each and every thing.
Do you want to pay for high security, environment checks everywhere,.... to make sure that your neighbor doesn't do shit. Or do you want to be secure because everyone looks out for one another?
Security, feeling safe is the single biggest driver a nations prosperity! Only Jews profit from insecurity, chaos!
Most people have children and people they love. It's a natural instinct to want to take care of them.
Caring for your race and nation is in the self interest of many people.
>>79200888
>Go to work in my jetpack
you are going to get shot down, story over
>>79201129
so fighting for your race is a way of fighting for yourself? why not just be direct and fight for yourself directly?
>Another day in ancap town
>After saving some money from my heroin factory,I choose to create a puppy hunting club
>I buy 1000 of puppies thanks to the constant devaluatio of puppy prices
>After the success of my puppy slaughter bussines,I choose to expand the hunting club to a nigger hunting club
>Go to the slave market
>Buy 2000 negros
>Become even wealthir
>With this money I choose to buy nukes
>Threaten biologists to create a unicorn for me with my nukes
>Get the first unicorn in existance
>Expand my bussiness to a unicorn hunting club
>Become wealthier
>Buy more nukes
>Repeat cicle
>>79202495
no one else is gonna fight for you, sure, you could hire a PMC, but if you're poor you are gravely fucked.
>>79202690
>slaves
>threaten biologists
muh muh muh NAP tho
>>79202690
>>Go to the slave market
>Getting shot down be the animal liberation front..
How old are you kiddo? Do you really think you will be the most evil mofo in ancap town?
>>79198001
Family>Nation>everything else
wish my country was real, I have a hole where normal man has patriotism
>>79203023
>>Getting shot down be the animal liberation front..
>Hippies
>Using violence
>>79202934
>NAP
This sheer autism tho
>>79201577
Nationalism is dead in Germany. And even if we would be able to save our country and Europe what would that mean to Estonia ? What would your nation gain from it ? Europe, no matter of which shape it might be, multicultural or a Europe of free nations will have to bend the knee to the German state whatsoever. This whole EU idea after the war was just a means to enslave my people.
You can't have Germany on its knees and at the same time want a strong and independent western society. Europe needs Germany as a united and strong nation. It was our place for a thousand years.
"It is possible, that the German will disappear from the world-scene once, since he has all qualities to acquire heaven, but none to prevail on earth and all nations hate him, like the fiend hates the good. If they really should succeed in extruding him, there will arise a condition, in which they'll want to scrape him out of the grave with their nails."
Christian Friedrich Hebbel
>>79202495
Since mankind and even wild beasts understand, that many can achieve things one could never do on his own.
>>79202495
>why not just be direct and fight for yourself directly?
Because the natsoc crew is going to collaborate, your foreskin will be sold to the local synagogue and your children will be sold to a brothel in Israel.
You retards don't understand that collaboration is much more powerful than individualism.
Individualism/Ancap is a Jewish meme to divide the goyim while the Jews are collaborating!
>>79197361
Basic tribalism. People trust people who look like them more. You can't deny this. I know tons of white trash, and good non-whites, but at the end of the day I could never trust them as much as a white person.
>>79197361
" "The essence of liberalism is individualism. The basis of its error is to mistake the notion of the person with that of the individual and to claim for the latter, unconditionally and according to egalitarian premises, some values that should rather be attributed solely to the former, and then only conditionally. Because of this transposition, these values are transformed into errors, or into something absurd and harmful." - Julius Evola
"Individualism is what sponsors the spirit of debate everywhere. It is always possible to hold discussions within the realm of individual opinion, as this does not go beyond the rational order, and it is easy to find more or less valid arguments on both sides of a question when there is no appeal to any higher principle. Indeed, in many cases, discussion can be carried on indefinitely without arriving at any solution. The real motive is not the wish to attain to knowledge of the truth, but to prove oneself right in spite of opposition, or at least, if one cannot convince others, convince oneself of one’s own rightness.
It is very difficult to make our contemporaries see that there are things which by their very nature cannot be discussed. Modern man, instead of attempting to raise himself to truth, seeks to drag truth down to his own level, which is doubtless the reason why there are so many who imagine, when one speaks to them of ‘traditional sciences’, or even of pure metaphysics, that one is speaking only of ‘profane science’ and of ‘philosophy’." - Rene Guenon
"The modern political order is essentially globalist and based entirely on the primacy of individual identity in opposition to community. It is the worst order that has ever existed and it should be totally destroyed." - Alexander Dugin
>>79203094
I know that feel bro.
>>79203374
There are still pure-blooded german people here in Brazil, in rural places of course, but pure still. If some families in a foreign country can stand for more than a hundred years without mixing, imagine how hard it is to eradicate a certain type of people at their own land.
>>79198001
Your race is your family.
>>79197361
You are your race and every race has a nation. Glorious Ireland.
>>79197361
Because you can't ignore the fact that ethnicity (a combination of environment and genetics) greatly decides what the zeitgeist is that a group of people will follow. Black countries for black lands. White countries for white lands. We don't have to move in together or kill each other.
