BREXIT BTFO
Angela Merkel warns UK it can't have access to single market without freedom of movement
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-warns-uk-it-cant-have-access-to-single-market-without-freedom-of-movement-a7107071.html
I'll vote for this woman again.
She's a saint.
>implying the EU won't dissolve in the decade
That's a good chuckle
if there was a god he would have killed this fucking bitch by now
>>79035658
Third time is a charm. You can defeat the Anglo this time senpai.
>>79036668
Checkmate religionfags.
>>79035436
Jup.
You want that money english ho?
Spread the legs and fucking moan!
YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!
>>79036668
>>79037061
she is leader of the christian democrats
>>79035436
Like the ones Mexico, Chile and Canada have?
Just trade with us instead lads, fuck mutti Merkel
>>79037928
America is just as bad, senpai
You need Trump to save you first
>>79036581
People may not realise it yet, but it is now the priority UK national interest to force the dissolution of the EU, much like it was to dissolve Napoleons Continental System and Hitlers Pan-European Reich.
It will not be hard for a UK foreign policy to divide Southern Europe from France and Germany. Also other options to break off peripheral nations from Franco-German hegemony, like Denmark and Netherlands etc.
And like with Napoleon and Hitler, the option an Anglo-Russian entente naturally beckons to breakup the power of a Franco-German grouping.
Fun times. The Anglo rises.
>>79037268
Wolf in sheeps clothing
>>79037928
"Michael Froman, the US trade representative, said that the world's largest economy was "not in the market" for free trade agreements (FTAs) with other countries."
"We're not particularly in the market for FTAs with individual countries. We're building platforms ... that other countries can join over time."
"We have no FTA with the UK so they would be subject to the same tariffs - and other trade-related measures - as China, or Brazil or India," Mr Froman said.
>>79038683
I hate Brussels as much as the next eurofag but goddammit this is exactly what I've been trying to tell the Brexit people. If they don't come up with some completely hypothetical commonwealth/anglo power/fuck year free trade zone on their own - and they won't - they will get shafted.
There is simply no way for Britain to get better terms in the Single Market Area than, say, Norway, and Norway has the best deal there currently is (And this is because they have never been an EU member but EU hopes they one day will be). And any other imaginary market areas that are excluded in the US FTAs are basically for second or third rate countries.
The Brexit bunch needs to stop being delusional pretty much right now and seriously start thinking about their future.
>>79039268
Nah, they can get MUCH better deals. All they have to do is keep a pokerface and let the german car manufacturers do the bargaining for them.
>>79039681
Yes that's the way it's going to go down. I've been told this several times on /pol/.
>>79035436
>>79037244
>5 of the top selling cars in the UK are German
I can't wait to see her face when Toyota, Mazda and Hyundai take over.
>>79040087
and /pol/ is always right
>>79037244
>>79035436
All of this is bollocks from both sides.
Nobody knows who is in the stronger position yet because of the market volatility and no article 50 yet.
The pussies in Westminster need to trigger article 50, the markets need to steady out and then we will see who dictates what.
Could go either way but I would ignore everything said by either side until both of the above requirements are met.
>>79037244
I thought the Internet was haram. How are you posting online?
>>79038519
Some things never change
>>79035436
Elections are on the door merkel cant fuck over the car manufacturers or she will lose countless votes.
>>79039268
Which is one big reason why the UK will force the breakup of the EU, by hook or by crook, as the top priority of it's foreign policy now >>79038519
Franco-German hegemony of Europe has already been stopped by Britain twice, it's not in Britains national interest and Britain is very good at enforcing it's national interest on the Continent. The EU will be the third.
>>79038519
The difference being that this is not wartime and the Single Market Area is not a wartime FTA.
>>79040148
This
The asian companies have dominated the US in terms of compact sales because of cheap, durable cars with good resale value.
Doesn't Eu have trade deals with other countries? like india/china?
In the cases of those countries, it doesn't force free movement of people right?
Or do no countries have trade deals with EU?
>>79038683
>you need FTAs to trade with other nations
>>79040281
>Nobody knows who is in the stronger position yet because of the market volatility and no article 50 yet.
lol
EU has obviously the stronger position because the UK needs free access to the EU market more than the EU needs free access to the UK market.
Obviously a decent deal would be beneficial for both sides, but I expect the EU to be quite vindicative with the problem child UK, and the UK has no bargaining chip.
>>79040585
Well you need them to get more favourable deals.
>>79038335
Right now it is Britain standing alone against continental tyranny without a friend in the world, as has often fallen to be our lot.
>>79040205
Our exports to germany are like 50bil and is the second biggest importers of british shit.
>>79040585
nerver said that.
>>79040540
Not free trade deals, no. Those countries don't enjoy the same benefits as countries in the EU. Chinese products for example are subject to heavy tariffs.
>>79035436
We got C series if you need new aircrafts anglobros :^)
>>79040611
Actually you're wrong. I've been told (again on /pol/, quelle surpris!) that the EU needs UK markets more than vice versa.
So it seems the EU member states are the ones who are screwed.
>>79040782
oh okay, thanks.
>>79037268
christian democrats is the european version of neocon cuckservatives
>>79036581
>implying the UK won't dissolve in the coming years
>>79040710
Rev up those Spitfires eh old chum?
>>79040823
/pol/ is retarded in this regard.
>>79035436
Good, people don't want freedom of movement here so we should hopefully just be able to renegotiate deals.
Well, the truth is that now that the British people have voted to leave the EU, the globalists have to make it as painful as possible on them in order to send a warning to other nations that may consider leaving. I think that a recent article by W. Ben Hunt explained this very well…
What’s next? From a game theory perspective, the EU and ECB need to crush the UK. It’s like the Greek debt negotiations … it was never about Greece, it was always about sending a signal that dissent and departure will not be tolerated to the countries that matter to the survival of the Eurozone (France, Italy, maybe Spain). Now they (and by “they” I mean the status quo politicians throughout the EU, not just Germany) are going to send that same signal to the same countries by hurting the UK any way they can, creating a Narrative that it’s economic death to leave the EU, much less the Eurozone. It’s not spite. It’s purely rational. It’s the smart move.
The elite need a crisis now in order to show everyone that globalism is the answer and not the problem. If the British people were allowed to thrive once they walked away, that would only encourage more countries to go down the exact same path. This is something that the elite are determined to avoid.
how are 100% of you retards still not aware of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
>>79035436
ahahaha UK BTFO
Germany tried to conquer the entire European continent two times in the last century and now their partaking in ethnic cleansing for the second time.
Why are we still listening to the and can we just nuke the fuck out of them already!?
>>79035658
>saint
That's a funny way to spell Stasi.
>>79040710
Last time this happened we were bailed out by America and ended up losing an empire.
![1467119866689[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZNcEo3k.jpg "1467119866689[1].jpg")
>irish EU shill
How is that even possible?
>>79040205
>>79040148
Germany employes 1% of english in total. Enjoy them all at one on benefits.
3000 german companys in england.
Gone.
The taxes.
Gone.
The workers pay.
Gone.
And so forth.
>>79035436
LOL
The majority of the Brexit voters is blown the fuck out. Enjoy my Polish cousins 'stealing' your jobs and paying for it.
>"Freedom of movement"
AKA, we're still going to force human garbage into your country like it or not.
>>79035436
>just lost 350m pound per day
>Y-YOU AREN'T ALLOWED BACK IN S-SENPAI
>>79040782
a lot of countries in the EU have separate free trade deals with turkey though, but turkey wants to be in the EU
>>79035436
Nobody should give a fuck about what a Soros puppet "thinks" and says.
>>79040961
Im fully aware. The issue is to fuck us they have to fuck themseves. Which will also cause more discontent from within.
>>79040611
>UK needs free access to the EU market more than the EU needs free access to the UK market
>>79041082
This you'll be bailed out by Trump and lose only Scotland.
>>79041157
Freedom of movement actually has little to do with that. Unless you consider poles human garbage.
>>79035436
Their football team already left Europe.
So I suppose we can start talking.
>>79035436
BOYCOTT GERMANY!!!
>>79041132
>companies will stop making a profit because of some nationalistic jingoistic fucktard on /pol/ says so
>will try to force freedom of movement on Brexitbros
>see, you still get immigrants! yuo wer le bamboozled! Farage was pants for fire!
It is disgusting that the EU has transformed from a union for trading, into an empire that sows the seeds of destruction into the nations it controls.
They did this with Hungary when they refused Syrians. Now they will treat the UK like it was a hostile country. And europhiles consuming media trash will defend this fratricide. Disgusting.
>>79036668
how do you know she's not being used to dissolve the EU and the Jewish mob?
>>79041062
kek'd
>>79041196
Sacrefises have to be made.
>>79040823
why should they get a better deal now? they threatened to leave the EU if they dont get some special treatment... now that they have pulled the trigger anyways i dont see how their position got any better.
>>79041223
What about romanians? Are they not human garbage?
>>79041132
You think the german companies are going to pack up and leave just like that?
>>79035658
>>79037244
>krauts are this brainwashed
you need another liberation
>>79038519
Then the EU will have no choice but to crush the UK.
>>79040535
Yep. Japan and Korea are desperate for more trade.
Great for Australia too since they are building the cars with Australian Iron, Steel and Aluminium.
Plus we will be able to export these resources directly to the UK.
The rising tide lifts all ships. I can't wait for the EU to drown.
>>79041464
Germans are still butthurt about losing every World War against England
>>79035436
Can't Britain just embargo and blockade them and trade with the Americas? Britain still has one of the largest and most capable blue water navies in the world.
>>79041313
Do you really think the union is in any condition to be making large sacrifices currently?
>>79041205
Yes that is how it is. UK is a big and important market, but in comparison to the EU it is irrelevant. No access vice-versa would hurt the EU a lot, but it would utterly demolish the UK.
>We'll just trade with USA/Australia/China/whatever
You don't shift trade of that magnitude overnight if at all.
WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY EU SHILLS ON /pol/???
>>79035436
>>79037244
>>79040148
>>79040982
>>79041142
Are you people legit mentally handicapped?
There's no argument in your posts, just pitiful, childish, weak-willed slander at ambigious someone.
It's like children being mean to each other in the playground, except in text format. The mental age behind these posts are that low.
>>79035436
Based Merkel
>>79041157
I've never understood the concept of 'full" freedom of movement. At the moment even sand people who have managed to gain residency can social security shop around EU.
This is undoubtedly one of the things that is going to change in the wake of Brexit. So that's one good thing at least.
>>79041478
don't you guys forget that you have to bail out italy before that
>>79039268
>There is simply no way for Britain to get better terms in the Single Market Area than, say, Norway, and Norway has the best deal there currently is (And this is because they have never been an EU member but EU hopes they one day will be). And any other imaginary market areas that are excluded in the US FTAs are basically for second or third rate countries.
1) The UK can get a better deal than Norway. It's a matter of dealmaking.
2) Norway already has a real EU immigration stopgap that it can legally trigger unilaterally and as often as it wants; it's just that the politicians never use it.
>>79041478
the EU has no popular basis
>>79041382
Of course they won't. I was being ironic you teuton. But many Brexit people really believe this to be the case.
>>79041588
We'll use the war economy.
>>79041615
>It's a matter of dealmaking
To make good deals you either need leverage or goodwill on the side of your partner. UK has neither.
>>79041545
>You don't shift trade of that magnitude overnight if at all.
but it's not overnight
the reason the UK will delay article 50 is so they can get all their trade deals ready
until that happens they're still part of the EU and they still have access to your markets.
Is Germany and the rest of the EU really ready to cut its not to spite its face? Put an entire continent in recession just because the UK is not playing ball?
Ok then
>>79041712
>>79041552
I didn't mean to post an argument, because the whole situation is ridiculous.
99% of Brexit voters are blown the fuck out, because all their arguments for a Brexit are invalid. They will have to pay ridiculous high sums for EU market access, without any influence. They will still have freedom of travel for EU members, which means Poles, Romanians etc will stay. In the end they will end up paying us (which means Germany, because we have a German hegemony in Continental Europe from now on) even more money than before, with ZERO influence in the EU.
They shot themselves in the head.
>>79041478
>>79041688
Serious question, do you have brain damage? Or some form of mental illness?
>>79041757
Germany has a history of destroying Europe over and over, why would that have changed?
>>79039268
They'll trade with China and India. Why the fuck is this not obvious?
>>79038683
Firstly, US hasn't been the largest economy since 2014. Secondly, meanwhile in Australia:
>5 May 2016
>Officials from the two sides [US,Aus] reaffirmed the importance of the FTA, underscoring that it is a key pillar of the strong and multifaceted partnership between Australia and the United States.
Otherwise, top scholarly and intellectually honest post, Merkel.
>>79037268
>Christian democrats
Thats a funny way of naming marxist jew cunt traitors.
U.K./USA/Russia bro ship?
>>79041822
but how will you stop the breakup of the EU and prevent further referenda?
>>79041615
So far all the major EU leaders have said, in about these words, that "UK will not get a better deal than Norway, if even the same."
Of course this can be only negotiation tactics, but I'd bet UK's terms are going to be significantly worse. As has been stated in this thread, EU needs to make an example out of UK. Norway was never even in.
Holy fucking shit why is she so set on trying to flood other countries with muslims?
>>79041851
Don't you have another bottle of vodka to drink?
>>79041712
You have the majority of the countries in the world wanting to get deals with the UK right now.
Statements like this
>Michael Froman, the US trade representative, said that the world's largest economy was "not in the market" for free trade agreements (FTAs) with other countries
are not at all accurate
Just like Obama pressured the UK saying they would be at the back of the queue but right after brexit went back on his world.
>>79041757
It's not a matter of simply brokering deals and signing treaties. Outlets, markets, deliveries, etc. need to be discovered, built, nurtured. It's an astronomical task to replace the value of the EU trade zone on a global level at all, it's nigh impossible to do it in the 2 years or whatever timeframe they set.
g-g-guys.
I just had a quick thought.
The EU clearly has no good will towards nations that disobey.
And the merchants are ready to draw blood to get their money.
W-w-will the UK have to be convinced by force?
Can the EU declare war on the UK, if the UK continues to encourage the Mediterranean countries to leave too?
>>79036668
God is setting up the perfect death for her, rape and subsequent butchering by the very Muslims she allowed into Europe.
>>79041553
You cant even remember what country you come from can you? you gypo dole scum.
>>79040503
Doesn't really matter.
Getting Tsar Alexander to defect from the Continental System was primarily as economic and diplomatic achievement of Britain.
Likewise when Britain starts talking to Spain and Greece about their unemployment rates, or boosting up Gert and offering the Dutch carrots to exit the EU etc. Lots of options.
War is politics by other means, but there of plenty of ways to wage war just by politics.
>>79040961
are you autistic?
i am not saying there isnt a gay mafia in control of record labels (namely rap) and other facets of society but saying all leaders of the western world went through gang bangs, bukkake coffins and anal ravaging is just retarded
yes the spartans and nazis did it to reinforce the military bond..but that is a long way from wild drunken gay orgies with george bush and friends
>>79041822
>market access
The UK has a trade deficit with the EU
The only ones "btfo" by trying to screw the British on trade will be you when they install massive tariffs on your goods
May bomber harris rise from his grave and burn every one of your cities to the ground
why are brexiters so dumb? lel - there should be a quiz on the issue before you're allowed to vote in a referendum
>>79041973
Why would they not be accurate? And countries are certainly not scrambling for deals with the UK since there is a massive amount of uncertainty regarding pretty much everything about them right now.
>>79042010
The EU doesn't have an army... yet. Would be pretty hilarious though, considering all the propaganda, "EU is why there's peace in Europe!"
>>79042005
>it's nigh impossible to do it in the 2 years or whatever timeframe they set
because you said so?
>>79041859
Back to pushing opium for tea eh?
Good luck with that. In terms of logistics alone, let alone tariffs (there's never going to be a FTA between UK, India and China, you need to get real) this trade will never be as profitable as European trade.
>>79041859
>top scholarly and intellectually honest post
i just quoted what US trade representatives have said
>>79042100
How would that quiz be kept apolitical? Who would design it?
>>79035436
That's cool, but it doesn't stop us talking to the rest of the world.
>>79042110
>Why would they not be accurate?
I literally explained right after I said they're not accurate.
Is your butthurt preventing you to read too mohamed?
>>79036994
>third
It's gonna be the fourth time. She's on her way to tie with Kohl for longest time in office :^)
>>79041933
This is a real mystery. Nazi guilt, I guess.
>>79042122
Because that's the fucking reality of the world. It's like wanting to build a skyscraper in a week, it's not physically possible.
>>79042088
gtfo shill
>>79042091
>when they install massive tariffs on your goods
>/pol/ talks day in day out about the globalist jew
>doesn't even know the WTO jew
>>79041859
>They'll trade with China and India. Why the fuck is this not obvious?
China is economically more powerful than Britain and in free trade will fuck them in the ass and India has noting to offer but poo, at least the EU maintained some standards and quality control
>>79040444
>Britain is very good at enforcing it's national interest on the Continent
British influence on the "Continent" in the last ~40 years has consisted of whining on the siedlines and bargaining insignificant concessions.
>>79042059
bit rude m89
>>79042243
You didn't explain shit. You have a vaguely related example of something Obama said.
>>79042262
>Because that's the fucking reality of the world.
You have no evidence of that. You're making a serious claim without anything to back it up.
>It's like wanting to build a skyscraper in a week, it's not physically possible.
nice false equivalence
>>79042262
>It's like wanting to build a skyscraper in a week, it's not physically possible.
inb4 the china can do it.
>>79041712
>To make good deals you either need leverage or goodwill on the side of your partner. UK has neither.
The UK has leverage. Besides all the trade leverage, it just has to say that if the EU fails to agree to the UK's staying in the Single Market, the UK will pay ZERO from now on.
The UK can also point out that the EU is trying to score free trade deals with broad regions. Free trade deals means less money for the EU budget, which is currently paid for with tariffs. The UK will pledge to contribute ZERO unless it is a member of the EEA. This plus the free trade deals will make the EU unsustainable, especially as it wants an ever-increasing budget. The UK can financially rape the EU weekly with comments like this sending the financial markets into a tizzy. The EU doesn't have a response--other than raising more taxes on the population.
>>79040961
The EU only exists if it is constantly moving forward towards greater union and expanding size. It can not exist in stagnation, and it definetly can not exist in retreat.
This is Napoleons retreat from Russia that collapses the entire system. The elan is gone, the forward momentum is gone. The active agency of the UK to cause the other nations of Europe to leave the Union is just icing on the cake.
>>79041920
There won't be a breakup of the EU, for sure.
GB was able to leave because they weren't 'full' members and aren't as dependent on the EU as other members. As the EU politicians are planning to centralize the EU even further I doubt the EU will crumble in the future. They will hurt GB as much as possible to set a warning example.
>>79042033
Basically gonna be like Ramsay Snow from Game Of Thrones trapped in a prison and surrounded by his hungry dogs.
It's poetry.
>>79041478
Third time lucky mate
>>79041045
This desu. Pic related sums up the Germans pretty correctly, only now they're going for mutually assured destruction instead of trying to end up on top.
>>79041822
>99% of Brexit voters are blown the fuck out
Statistics that you made up on the spot just makes the shallowness of your banter stand out the better.
>because all their arguments for a Brexit are invalid.
Again an argument backed up by nothing
>They will have to pay ridiculous high sums for EU market access
Are you fucking stupid? No they don't and why should they? UK now has freedom to make deals with anyone anywhere at any time, EU would have to seriously compete with them by giving equally fair deals with UK or suffer accelerated downward spiral of their economy.
>They will still have freedom of travel for EU members
Not for long they don't, the way you talk about it amuses me, it's like you have this autistic vision of all third-rate countries sending floods of poor people to UK, hilarious.
>In the end they will end up paying us (which means Germany, because we have a German hegemony in Continental Europe from now on) even more money than before
Once again, you have provided absolutely nothing to back up your claims, this is all just childish wishful thinking with zero grasp on the reality of things or even rudimentary understanding of economics.
>with ZERO influence in the EU.
and EU has ZERO influence on UK
Finish your preschool before trying again dumbfuck
>>79042341
Ok let me try this again
Statements like those were used to pressure the UK to REMAIN.
Just like Obama said that if the UK left they would be at the back of the queue for deals and yet the day after the vote he came out and said that the special relation with the UK wouldn't be affected by the vote.
>>79040961
>how are 100% of you retards still not aware of this:
They don't have the red, white and blue. What did you expect?
>>79041925
>Of course this can be only negotiation tactics, but I'd bet UK's terms are going to be significantly worse. As has been stated in this thread, EU needs to make an example out of UK. Norway was never even in.
The EU leaders talk a good game while the day is long. That's all they do. Just like Obama said the UK was at the back of the queue when it comes to trade deals then retracted when things didn't go his way.
>>79041142
>the pole in germany is mad the EU is collapsing
>>79041478
Bit like how Napoleon and the German Confederation, or Hitler and Petain, did eh?
Anglos > Franco-German block
>>79041478
t. country that has no nukes threatening one that does.
Look at her. She's a psycho!
>idiot brits vote to leave the EU
>main block voting yes on brexit did so because they want to "secure the borders" and stop immigration
>Brexit vote triggers a massive immigration wave of FIFTY THOUSAND PEOPLE
>no one in England due to EU rights will be deported
Good job there, Brits, you totally accomplished your goal and all you had to do was send your economy into a death spiral!
With maybe the exception of cars the majority of UK exports can easily find buyers outside of the EU.
Can the same be said about EU exports to the UK?
>>79041934
I take your avoidance of answering as "Yes"
Go down those pills with some alcohol, faggot.
>>79042075
If Britain (or England/Wales) tries to start some sort of continental Great Game again it will be laughed off the planet.
Or I dunno, maybe BJ as PM will try to start getting cozy with the Russians or something. Bremain leaders were pretty far out there.
>>79042406
I don't know what to tell you. Do you think trade is a number on a paper? Do you even know what the UK trades in? Do you know what their most exported commodity in terms of trade value is? It's nuclear reactors and boilers and such. High tech. You can't walk up to China or India or Australia and go
>hey guys wanna buy 3387 million worth of nuclear reactors?
>uuuuh... no?
Trade means trade goods and goods need a market, a demand. A lot of the UK exports are high tech stuff like that and aside from the US and the EU, they're not in terribly high demand in emerging economies - not comparable to that in those two regions, And if you exclude yourself from one, you're fucked.
That's why it's nigh impossible. And that's just one example.
>>79042714
You couldn't even defeat France. You've no chance against the EU military.
>>79035436
Since when does Merkel call the shots for the entire European Union?
>>79042850
just read my last post
>>79042823
>>79042785
FTSE 100 and 250 are both up, and never fell as much as DAX or CAC (who are both now also up), and the pound is regaining value and still the highest valued major currency.
>>79035436
If all Pol goes buys Pounds .
then reduces it spending in Europe.
Increase spending on British goods.
Pounds goes up
/pol Profits and jews the jew.
im with this buy Pounds and buy british products next 6 months we can collapse the euro fook the left wing elites and make a Profit.
we could make everything happen quicker.
and make trump look good.
they won't let use Germans vote .
so lets Crash the Euro and make a Profit
>>79041552
Asian cars are the top sellers around the world. They would absolutely love to sell to the UK. They only need to ramp up production of the right hand drive vehicles they already make for Australia.
They (Toyota, Mazda, Hyundai, Kia) could, quite literally, have cars in the UK ready for sale at existing dealerships by the end of next month if Article 50 were invoked today.
When government gets out of the way, businesses will absolutely take advantage of the lack of a German/EU trade deal.
In the past, Australia has put in place temporary trade agreements on certain products while broader, more formal trade deals are negotiated, and those could be in place before David Cameron steps down in October.
Do not underestimate the power of companies to push governments to make shit like this happen.
This isn't a problem for the UK, it's an opportunity.
How is the EU a democratic organisation, again?
>>79042850
>I don't know what to tell you.
Nice job invalidating any argument or claim you had going there, Hans.
The russian rapegenes has really done a number on the intellegience of the german people.
>>79042498
Exactly. My previous doubles confirm this to be fact, rest assured on that one.
>>79042553
>Are you fucking stupid? No they don't and why should they?
Stopped reading there. You probably didn't follow the Brexit at all, did you?
Otherwise you would know that they always planned to obtain the EU market access, even after a Brexit.
And how do you obtain it? By giving much money to the EU like Norway or Switzerland, or in GBs case - as a warning example - even more fuckin money.
>>79042988
Actually VW is the biggest car producer in the world, they reclaimed the top spot despite the scandals.
>>79042553
>Are you fucking stupid? No they don't and why should they? UK now has freedom to make deals with anyone anywhere at any time, EU would have to seriously compete with them by giving equally fair deals with UK or suffer accelerated downward spiral of their economy.
Jesus wept I feel ashamed that I share nationality with this glue sniffer. Google free trade agreements and 21st century global trade and try again, please. This is not a Civ game.
Unless you somehow think the UK can get more beneficial deals with EU (or any) countries on its own, of course...
>>79041822
They will probably have a deal like we have with most of our neighbors where we can travel to any of these countries with so much as a birth certificate and a state issued ID... but we cannot stay there or work there.
>>79042553
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
to be part of the EEA
they have to pay.
they have to accept freedom of movement
they have to accept a bunch of EU-laws
like switzerland and norway.
>>79043027
What do you expect me to do? I feel a bit like trying to explain colour to the blind.
>>79042290
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>India has noting to offer but poo
Time for toilet exports to flourish
>>79042846
Trump has spoken kindly about Putin too. There is already enough sway in motion for Russia to be rejoined into the western clubs.
>>79042274
>w-we'll give them bad deals!
>implying that doesn't just give them the option of making bad counter-deals
If you put tariffs on their goods they'll put tariffs on yours
Kys
>>79042988
oh sorry senpai, didn't mean to quote you
but thanks for rubbing it in for the EU shills here that they got nothing on UK
>>79041822
will never eat an Oreo again
will never buy a VW again
>>79042406
hue, you need to understand something.
At present, we don't even have one tenth of the trained negotiators to begin this process. The legal, economic and constitutional process to untangle this situation is literally beyond comprehension. As much as you may want to suck Leave cock, they have absolutely no fucking idea how to do this, and neither does the British govt.
Quite fucking ironic that Michael 'no experts' Gove is now scrabbling around for experts.
>>79041588
Or the UK will offer them an idological path to leave the EU, readopt the Lira (like the UK has the Pound), and inflate their way out of their debt, and restart there economy in far better shape.
Southern Europe would be better under a UK model of having their own currency, and freeing themselves from EU imposed German model of low-inflation austerity (which works for Germany, but not South Europe).
See how the UK is going to breakup the EU just on economics Franco-German bros?
That's not even pushing the divisions of Merkels Muslim invasion and dividing Germany (and the EU) from European countries on that.
>>79041545
Want free trade while inside EU
>>79043086
>...
Shill spotted
I had a dream where the superstate happened, and then the EU went to war with Britian, America, Australia, Israel , and new Zealand
>>79043220
Hire trump
>>79043220
at present you're also still a member of the EU
Nothing changed yet, except investor panic.
>>79042494
>There won't be a breakup of the EU, for sure.
how do you know that?
>>79042959
>there are minor movements internally before any actual changes have been made
>meanwhile global stock markets are dropping because of uncertainty, England's credit rating has been downgraded, and everyone and their mother are talking about GTFO out England
Oops, you're retarded.
But then the flag told me that already.
there's no free trade without free movement
>>79043095
I guess by "freedom of movement" they mean
"Free movement of workers (which) is a fundamental principle of the Treaty enshrined in Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union and developed by EU secondary legislation and the Case law of the Court of Justice".
Let's see how this is going on, nevertheless they brexit will be embarassing and painful for GB.
>>79043358
because the butthurt germans just know the UK will go bankrupt while also not affecting their country at all
because muh single market
>>79042916
Practically since she's been in office. Have you been asleep for the past 10 years?
>>79035436
>Angela Merkel warns UK
Honestly the ENTIRE WORLD should be WARNING ANGELA MERKEL to FUCK RIGHT OFF.
pic related
REFUGEES
>>79043362
I wonder if those people have agendas
>>79043149
lol we get £6 back for every £10 we spend in the EU, we have a massive trade defecit.
Go for it EU, tariff the shit out of us, please do.
>>79041901
Worked last time we needed to crush Franco-German hegemony of Europe
Anglo-Russian entene is natural step to counter the continent. Expect the UK to give more and more support to Russian foreign policy at the expense of co-ordination with France if the EU makes itself an enemy of Britain out of spite.
>>79035436
nothing will happen until Juncker and Donald Tusk go. the FT made noises about an "emergency brake" on EU immigration for UK but UK already has one, its just the political cost of using it has been too high- that cultural bias in the EU needs to end first
>>79042949
Not only can the same be said about EU, it's better than the UK because while the UK has (world - EU) to shift their trade, the EU has (world -UK). Guess which one of these is better.
Article 50, is a piece of legislation written by the EU, for the benefit of the EU. It is written to make it hard for a country to leave. That's it's point, it's not of benefit to Britain. So avoiding triggering it till Britain is ready makes sense for Britain.
Delay may make the EU more desperate for Britain to resolve the situation. But that's in Britain's interest.
We should not trigger it if there is another way out,and there is, or till it is best for us. That only makes sense. We have time on our side.
>>79042274
>WTO
This smart alecking Germans do when they repeat arguments given in their government-run media is annoying. You don't know what you're talking about. There is no real enforcement mechanism forcing the UK to take German goods, just as the sanctions against Russia can take place while Russia is a member of the WTO. If the UK wants to sabre-rattle here, they can.
>>79043408
Free movement of workers is a disaster that leads to wage dumping
>>79043262
Anyone who breaks your Trump/Brexit bubble is a shill I guess.
Note. The one good thing with Brexit was that the EU /Bryssels is going have to check its privilege.
For the britbongs, there really are no good Brexit results that aren't imaginary.
>>79043456
Nobody said that. It's not gonna be pretty for the EU either, but if deals really do break down, the UK will take the blunt hit.
>>79041925
Do you think the EU feels in charge?
There won't be an EU to deal with in 2 years time, just a bi/tri-lateral treaty to do with France & Germany.
>>79043363
But why would free movement include e.g. automatic social benefits for everyone?
>>79043507
>Not only can the same be said about EU
except it can't
because every EU countries can't offer great deals to non-EU countries.
You have an entire market that is 100% about protectionism. How exactly will you offer great trade deals to the rest of the world?
>>79035436
wow so they're setting up another England Germany conflict over this nonsense?
>>79043522
No you don't have time on your side. In what fucking world do you live where this continued uncertainty is good for you?
>>79043493
Stop playing Paradox's games. They're not good for you.
>>79043220
If you can help us elect trump. He may give you the art of the deal :^)
>>79042005
Businesses do that in months. Governemnts don't make trade, private enterprises do.
Don't care.
>>79043610
They're not the ones that need to bail out a country every year.
Even if somehow you were absolutely right on the trade aspect of this, which you're not. You're ignoring everything else that makes the EU terrible for developed economies to be in.
>>79043670
By actually having something to offer in return? You're deluded and very wrong if you think access to the UK's market is more valuable than access to the huge market that is the EU.
>>79040961
>it was always about sending a signal that dissent and departure will not be tolerated
So a global version of Al Capone basically
>>79043214
>back in the old days, they had political cartoons like pic related
>in the future, meme pictures will be used to describe history
>>79043702
>two days of market panic
>third day already showing signs of rebound
>continued uncertainty
jesus christ
>>79043362
Cute little Yank banter at the end, but pretty tame stuff tbqh.
>there are minor movements internally before any actual changes have been made
Yeah, they were the brief crash of global markets in wake of Brexit - which have today recovered.
>meanwhile global stock markets are dropping because of uncertainty,
They're not retard, I literally said in my previous post that FTSE, DAX and CAC are all up again - NASDAQ and DOW Jones are both up again too.
>England's credit rating has been downgraded
Britain, and we can recover, it's just uncertainity.
>and everyone and their mother are talking about GTFO out England
I don't particularly care what your mother is saying, the markets say we're over the worst, Merkel says we shouldn't bully Britain, and global trade says that Germany can't afford to kill a major market for its failing project.
>>79043737
>businessess build billion dollar markets in foreign countries in months
lol
>>79043098
>to be part of the EEA
>they have to pay.
>they have to accept freedom of movement
>they have to accept a bunch of EU-laws
Or, as part of the EEA they can activate article 112 ad infinitum and not accept freedom of movement to the helpless annoyance of others.
>1. If serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties of a sectorial or regional nature liable to persist are arising, a Contracting Party may unilaterally take appropriate measures under the conditions and procedures laid down in Article 113.
http://www.efta.int/media/documents/legal-texts/eea/the-eea-agreement/Main%20Text%20of%20the%20Agreement/EEAagreement.pdf
>>79043798
>By actually having something to offer in return?
But the UK does.
And please don't talk like the EU is anything more than France and you guys at this point.
>>79041382
>>79040611
>>79041545
>>79042785
EU is going down hard. We just need to wait it out.
>>79043857
They actually do. Do you really think government controls everything still?
>>79043928
That's ridiculous. You're ridiculous. Southern and Eastern Europe are huge outlets. They may not be as economically powerful and Germany or Spain, but that doesn't mean there are not huge amounts of people living and willing to spend money there.
>tfw you try to remember what happened the last time Germany and the UK were major economic rivals and Germany dominated continental affairs
>>79042302
Should have vetoed your reunification.
Let's see the UK play outside the Continental system as the EU burns itself down, toss some fuel on the fire. Your empire is a paper tiger.
>>79044031
It takes years if successful.
>>79043986
Jesus Christ how did people ever agree to enter this shit? Other than media mass shilling of course
>>79044046
>hey may not be as economically powerful and Germany or Spain
>economically powerful as Spain
Is this a joke or something?
>>79044075
And the UK is ruling the waves? How about you try to think again who's all bark no bite here.
>>79044127
Obviously meant to write France.
>>79044090
>it takes years
not that's government
businesses can't afford to be over bureaucratic and slow like that
>>79043537
Witch keeps you competetiv with the 0.1 cent/houer worker over seas.
It keeps intelegence flowing. Knolage. And for the common man a way to find a better place to live and fullfill its dreams.
Only because youre a retard it means not that others are too.
>>79035436
Good.
We will arrange freedom of labour movement with Australia, NZ, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Iceland, America, Canada and fucking close out your marketplace if you seal any portion of it off to us you fucking cunts.
I hope to see the flames from across the channel in my lifetime, not NLbros but the rest.
>>79041822
>we have a German hegemony in Continental Europe from now on
why the fuck do you want to go down this road again? Serious question.
>>79044178
>Obviously
Get a grip son, you haven't destroyed the borders yet at least remember the name of the countries you're talking about
>>79043702
The initial shock is now over and stabilising for Britain. Focus will now shift to what effects this act will have in the EU. It won't be long till the next EU problem they come so often. Greece bailout is not long off for example.
It would be better if it was settled, but not at the EU terms.
>>79044190
It's not a matter of bureaucracy, it's a matter of logistics and market forces.
You can't go from selling no ice cream in a street a week to selling a bajillion liters in a week.
>>79041132
Retard. We have no leverage und would shoot ourselves in the foot
>>79044318
More than we would shoot the UK? Certainly not.
>>79043926
you dont need a college degree to understand that start-ups and investions may be reconsidered because of the unkown future of the UK, EU and their relationship.
adn the market got hit pretty hard considering the Brexti will need years to happen if ever at all.
>>79041399
I'm sure the strongest economy in Europe and among the strongest in the world with an AAA credit rating can handle this without flinching.
Also 7-1.
>>79044251
>And for the common man a way to find a better place to live and fullfill its dreams.
Cleaning toilets for a pittance while also betraying your nation? Whose dream is that?
>>79044374
was meant for
>>79043851
>>79042856
Give it up, Hans. You lost twice and if you're stupid enough to start shit AGAIN, then you WILL lose for the third time.
>>79043928
>don't talk like the EU is anything more than France and you guys at this point.
Holy moley, hue. EU is the largest economy and the largest trading block in the world. It's not just France and Germany ffs.
>>79044300
>You can't go from selling no ice cream in a street a week to selling a bajillion liters in a week.
what is with you and false equivalencies?
Why are you so dishonest?
If you want to use that example you have to change it to
>You can't go from selling no ice cream in a street a week to selling in a different street.
And yes you can do that.
>>79042846
Finland all you have ever done in foreign policy is suck Russian cock in the hope they won't fuck you up the ass.
Having agency in foreign policy is something beyond your national comprehension. A nation can be more than just a passive victim and plaything.
>>79043610
>It's not gonna be pretty for the EU either, but if deals really do break down, the UK will take the blunt hit.
So why do we have to split acrimoniously then?
>>79035436
What do you mean UK can't have access to a single market? How the fuck do you stop access to a market? If I buy something from the UK, it's going to fly or ride a ship to the USA and delivered to me. You mad bitch?
>>79044075
Not even the USA and Russia could have stopped that.
>>79044142
>How about you try to think again who's all bark no bite here.
That's Germany in this case. Stop taking reassuring crap from the German press for granted. It's just desperation on their part ... and quite redolent of the last ditch rallying cry of "Roosevelt is dead; we have won the war."
>>79044492
Are you willfully ignorant? And no, you can't. It takes time to build a consumer base, especially with the level of magnitude we're talking here and with the level of technology at play.
>>79037268
Muslim democrats you mean.
>>79042494
It's over lad, the EU is on its deathbed and resentment towards the EU from the remaining "members" is only going one way and Germany will be left with the shit to clear up.
Prepare your anus, it's going to be a wild, Muslim filled ride.
>>79044251
>Witch keeps you competetiv with the 0.1 cent/houer worker over seas.
Nope:
1. Switzerland (free movement but not EU)
2. Singapore (not EU, not free movement)
3. USA (")
Literally no correlation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Competitiveness_Report
>It keeps intelegence flowing. Knolage.
I've never learnt anything from minimum wage Poles. Academia can travel without free movement anyway - hence why British Universities have outreach programmes with the whole world.
>And for the common man a way to find a better place to live and fulfill its dreams.
So in other words, the poor of Europe can flood the richer countries? I'll pass, thanks.
>>79044374
Actually they are probably considering a UK where they don't have to follow as many regulatory bullshit laws that other EU countries have to.
>adn the market got hit pretty hard considering the Brexti will need years to happen if ever at all.
You don't need a college degree to understand that investor panic because of a bad call is not the same of fundamental that would actually create long term volatility
>>79044496
On the contrary, Finland has had one the most successful European foreign (and defence) policies among the European countries. Hence, no fucking up the ass by the Russkies OR the Germans.
This is a well established fact. I have to admit, though, that I have no idea what Australians foreign policies have been except to suck UK/USA cock, consecutively.
>>79043526
>If the UK wants to sabre-rattle here, they can.
10% of EU exports to the UK. 50% of UK exports go to EU. They can rattle for 10 days until they go bankrupt.
>>79042916
Tell me, what do you think the EU is? And I don't mean the official definition of what the EU entails. What is the EU really. What is its purpose. Maybe then you'll get why Merkel "is calling the shots".
>>79044543
They mean single market as in The European Single Market.
Not as in "you won't have access to one single market, anywhere in the world".
>>79044452
something something emus
>>79044522
Because the EU is butthurt of course.
And the UK is not exactly making friends with its "yeah we'll leave whenever lol" attitude.
>>79044473
The only reason is largest trading block in the world is because of those 2 countries. But sure be in denial that your economy is incredibly relevant to the world
>>79044720
>they don't have to follow as many regulatory bullshit laws that other EU countries have to.
You're talking like a child. If they want to trade with EU countries (remember, still the largest economy and trading block in the world), they will sure as shit have to comply.
>>79043702
Helps to crash the EU
>>79044814
Finland gave us Nokia, what the fuck did Brazil ever produce?
>>79041478
>crush a country with nukes
ebin
>>79044726
>tfw your country is literally used to describe being cucked by other countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization
