Holden Caulfield is beta-cuck patient Zero. That fucking book and how hard it was pushed in schools is what started the destruction of men into spineless wimps and allowed feminism to spread uncontrolled like cancer.
I wish I had a sister like Phoebe
He just complained about everything and was a rebellious cuck
I don't get the message of the book at all
No, it was mcdonalds drive thrus. All problems can be traced to mcdonalds drive thrus.
Don't you just want to be the catcher in the rye?
>>79008019
Nah, if anything the book is about a boy struggling to be functional after he's been fucked up. The Man vs Society trope is not the downfall of America. The loss of the VS anything worth overcoming is
>>79008019
I never read this book.
We read the giver which was its own cancer
Then in 3rd grade I started reading Dune and I read all of it until 5th grade.
Then i decided books were for fags
Oh please, I feel like him today with all the leftist bullshit around me
I'm surprised you don't either
>reading assigned books
>at any point in life post '95
The golden age of the Internet, when old fuck teachers didn't understand it and it could give you every answer
I'm in my last year for my doctorate and I haven't bought a textbook or any required reading in a fucking decade, much less some pedantic high school reading assignment
Really missing out on life having not read 'the Giver', maybe I'd have a 180 IQ instead of 164
>>79008130
Same. English teacher I really liked said it was his favorite so I thought it would be great. I've never been so disappointed or found a book to be so utterly pointless and without plot.
I don't think it was impactful at all. It was a confusing mess that no one liked.
Now, I can't tell you the number of times I've seen to kill a mockingbird as favorite book on Facebook. That white guilt runs deep.
>>79008019
quit being so phony anon
>>79008697
>Jews are not more intelligent than whites
>I am too lazy to do school
>>79008019
Caulfield was the opposite of that, same with Salinger, caulfield was the original pol kid
>>79008130
The point was that Salinger was starting with a realistic depiction of teenaged life and then using that as a basis for credibility. At that time that was new.
disagree
this is my favorite book, it's more about a kid who cant fit in with society because he believes people lose their fun, unique spirit when they grow up, and he finds refuge in children such as his sister, who is yet uncorrupted by the world
a modern equivalent is saying young kids arent exposed to degenerate trends and behavior, therefore they're more valuable personalitywise than tumblr fags and basic bitches
i have no idea why the hell you think it's about the destruction of men or whatever
>>79008697
>We read the giver which was its own cancer
how so? the message i got was pretty good
>>79009085
muh vaccines cause autism the book
/pol/ is a really dumb board. If you really think Holden was just a winery cuck you probably missed the subtle mention of him raping his sister. You guys have zero reading comprehension I bet you'd feel lost reading lolita.
Class 08.
I remember reading this senior year.
It was literally nothing.
Or maybe i missed it.
Or probably not.
What do you say lads? Should i give it a revist at 26?
>>79008019
They made me read 1984, Les Mis, and Animal Farm, and then some book about the Rwandan genocide.
>>79008697
>the giver which was its own cancer
Book about thought policing is cancer. kek.
>decided books were for fags
D-don't read g-goyim! It's for fags!
>>79009486
>the giver
>CitR
>diary of ann funk
>CitR again
fuck
>>79008019
Catcher is practically A Portrait of /pol/ As a Young Man.
>hates degeneracy
>hates virtue signaling
>hates hollow academic posturing
>cares about children and animals
You can practically imagine the sequel in which he learns that it was the kikes all along.
>bawwww he just complains the whole time I didn't get it
Reading isn't for everyone.
>>79008019
I didn't like this book at all when I first read it in high school and I was a lot more left leaning back then. We had an assignment to write an epilogue to the book and in my version of him he just becomes homeless.
>>79008926
>dissing based Atticus
If you think that To Kill a Mockingbird was about ebil white people, you might just have the reading comprehension of a third grader
>>79008019
(((J. D. Salinger)))
Finally you guys are waking up. I've been saying this for ages, this was all part of MKUltra and an attempt to push Incest on American families:
http://postflaviana.org/a-pedophile-fantasy-in-the-rye/
>>79008019
Never read it, should I though?
Whats the basic story for those who don't want me to
>>79009486
Rwandan genocide is pure redpill material. Darkies hunting down other darkies because they are lighter skinned. It's basically a warning not to give darkies power over anything.
Im forced to read Grapes Of Wrath and Ecotopia for a summer assignment. How fucked am I?
>>79009905
You should read it. The story isn't important. The prose is what makes it memorable.
>>79010081
This is an 18+ site
>>79008019
>a book no one reads is the downfall of a country
was this your summer reading assignment, op? is that why you spontaneously bring it up?
>>79010142
This is either bait or you have never read the book, because this is the opposite of truth. Five seconds in google and you can read the first page
http://www.pu.if.ua/depart/Inmov/resource/file/samostijna_robota/Catcher_In_The_Rye_-_J_D_Salinger.pdf
I read it because of Ghost in the Shell. Here is a summary of the book:
>kid walks around a city at night
>nothing really happens
I don't remember much, but I remember that I also wanted to be the catcher in the rye.
>>79009905
No, there's nothing there but hype, like Kafka or Mailer. My favorite Holocaust story is how Weimar era Jews had this whole mainstream cultural world, and it was all gone and replaced overnight. Because the Jews are contentless frauds who promote each other. Had they actually been accomplishing anything and contributing to society, it would not be possible to just get rid of it. But they had "scientists" at "institutes" that were normalizing pedophilia -- their "journals" were what Goebbels was actually burning in the consigned to the flames speech. He was burning attempts to make child rape legal abd normal, and almost every militant anti-Nazi would probably agree with burning those things if they understood.
>>79010144
>>79010144
I'm 18 and the summer readings are required for me to do as part of the dorm that I'm in. I don't actually have to do anything like essays or tests, but I have to read the books still.
>>79010352
>the summer readings are required for me to do as part of the dorm that I'm in
lol what the fuck
>>79010316
>No, there's nothing there but hype, like Kafka
What a plebeian.
>>79009790
Friendly reminder that it has a bloated legacy and wasn't that good.
>>79010225
The catcher in the rye is a pure, self-explanatorily useful, hero. He stops kids from getting hurt in a dreamlike, impossible situation. This is contrasted with a bizarre, ersatz world, where nothing works properly and everyone is a liar. It's about realizing how common corruption is and is therefore also a way for the Jew to gently spread reflexive distrust in what was at the time a good society.
>>79010515
Kafka was a child who never grew up. His best work is an inferior copy of the style and format of Daniil Kharms. Kafka produced no literature and has nothing to say.
>>79008019
>Catcher In The Rye
Never read it.
I heard it was dreadful.
Never had to read it in school either. Of course I didn't go to public schools though.
Is this why I'm red pilled? I never read catcher in the rye?
You stupid fucks don't understand Holden because you are him.
I think it had more to do with the fact we were literally taught about slavery and the civil war every fucking year
I'm not kidding, we were taught almost nothing about WWII and nothing about Vietnam nor the Korean war. Just the Civil War and Revolutionary war every fucking year.
>>79010545
And that's why the phonies just gotta die
>>79010713
It's true that the biggest phonies I've ever known tended to hate to book.
>>79010636
Kharms hadn't even published anything when Kafka died. Did you mean to drop a different name?
>>79009011
Yea it was also just a really good narrative. Very believable character. Excellent piece of writing. Not a lot to learn from it though.
>>79008072
Pheobe was top tier. She was the best character in the book.
>>79011103
Phoebe was a mary sue tbf
>>79008019
Literally just about innocence.
That's it, he find it in his sister Phoebe, and realizes, "Oh... Ok, I guess I gotta grow up eventually."
>>79010967
Read Kharms. Read Kafka. They are trying to do the same thing. Kharms succeeds. Kafka spins around in circles and cries.
>>79008019
>get prostitute
>talk to her until she wants to leave since you're so retarded
>you still pay her
this fucking book is so edgelord
My half of the grade had to read Gatsby and Cuckoo's Nest. The other half was Catcher and The Outsiders
>>79008019
>realistic fiction
Trash. Any statements this insufferably boring and vapid excuse for a literary genre makes about society are either empty cliches or better and more quickly stated directly without a tedious and uninspired attempt at a plot laid over them. If you want entertainment, read actual fiction and not some pseudo-intellectual's thinly-veiled mental-masturbation session. If you want to actually be intellectually stimulated, read nonfiction. If you don't heed my advice, you'll end up like the autists in this thread, arguing and circle-jerking over an unfortunate waste of a good tree.
>>79008859
>plot
glad the pleb filter removed you
>>79008019
I own my own library and every year I get boxes of this book to be shipped out to schools. From what i can gather, it's an easily read book and depicts a framework for what people are taught in school already. Maybe it's over-saturation of some form of indoctrination or perhaps it is simply easy to grade tests on for comprehensive studies.The one book they really need to ban is the Bluest Eye, one of which I also have to ship out to a lesser extent.
>>79011349
Gatsby is fucking magnificent. The writing is absolutely perfect, but also, the story is a look at "the" American story, not just a random kid realizing that Santa is not real.
>>79008859
>Reading for plot
Is this the 1700s ? Plot hasn't been a requirement for a novel in centuries, burger
>>79011217
That may be. I don't remember many details of the book, but I remember really enjoying he parts with Pheobe. I should probably read it again.
>>79008019
i love catcher in the rye, it's my favorite modern book. it's funny as hell and really sweet and innocent.
>>79011333
I don't know where I'd begin to rebut this brilliant literary analysis.
>>79011349
Gatsby shouldn't be taught in high schools. It's a waste of time. Teenagers don't have enough life experience yet.
Catcher in the Rye was a CIA plant...
http://postflaviana.org/a-pedophile-fantasy-in-the-rye/
>reading (((books)))
Fucking neopol.
Why isn't Blood Meridian required reading?
Do you think it would be a triggering experience guys?
>>79011465
quentin pls
>>79008019
He was some spoiled rich kid fag that cucked himself with a prositutue. His sister is more alpha than him. Pathetic typical New York liberal faggot.
>>79009895
This.
>>79011679
Look. What would you say if you found an author who had not read X, but was cranking out writing that was an inferior version of what X did? Same topics, same perspective, same style.
I'm not saying Kafka is a plaguarist, I am saying that he is a failure.
>>79010081
Grapes of Wrath is actually a great read.
>>79012238
HOW MUCH IS CORRECT THE RECORD PAYING YOU?
But do check out Steinbeck's Russian Journals.
>>79011792
What is redpilled required reading?
>>79011792
Cormac McCarthy's work crushes the soul. I've read No Country for Old Men, The Road and The Afterdark. I should pick this up, I've heard the title before.
>>79012330
>But do check out Steinbeck's Russian Journals.
I've read some of his writings about how he saw American families living during the Depression. I'll check this out too.
>>79009693
This
>>79012229
I'd probably hold my tongue if I couldn't think of a more substantive analysis than "I like this book more than this unrelated book".
>>79010081
Grapes of Wrath is very enjoyable book, but there are many communist undertones, which makes sense for Steinbeck a man who probably admired the USSR with his visits to there and writing about them
>>79008019
Holy shit I've been waiting for this moment. I FUCKING HATED CATCHER IN THE RYE. All it was was some mopey fucking young guy complaining about how much he hates his fucking life. You could've just inserted my teenage diary in there and there would've been no fucking difference. All this wigger did was bitch about life and he couldn't even fuck the prostitute properly. Then he skipped the fuck around NYC with his little sister? And she snuck out into NEW YORK CITY pre-Giuliani when it was one of the criminal capitals of America? Then they went to some fucking mueseum like a bunch of massive faggots. And the big climax was him having some dream about catching a bunch of little kids in field like a fucking pedophile? Honestly fuck that book and anyone who thinks its deep. Whoever the fuck allowed that book to get past the editor and printed deserves death. It was probably a fucking kike
>>79012641
I like how you use big words to say "you are dumb" over and over, and I deliberately used simple words to represent relationships and contrast things. Maybe if you call me dumb again it will hit a Mustafa Threshold and I will reject Jewish tribal self-promotion as an explanation for why anyone has heard of Kafka. Meanwhile, if anyone else is struggling with or required to read Kafka, you owe it to yourself to check out Kharms.
>>79012364
did you like the movie adaptation of No Country for Old Men? I liked it a lot.
>>79008859
Saying you like Catcher in the Rye is preening for pseudo intellectuals, they say this because like you- they read it, find it disappointing, don't get it, and pretend it's great; because they are afraid of being honest and exposing themselves as somehow inferior. It's like when a fantasy nerd says the prefer LotR to the Hobbit or Harry Potter. LotR is utter shit, the Hobbit is wonderful and HP is comfy.
Another good example is Moby Dick vs The Old Man and the Sea. If you prefer Melville to Hemingway you have no taste and just follow a crowd.
Literature is filled with stuff like this. People who say they like Dostoyevsky over Tolstoy, who say James Joyce is good, who have never read Orwell or Twain essays but like to name drop them.
The biggest problem is generally real men don't go into writing. The annals of history are peppered with great men, masculine figures, who go into writing. From Marcus Aurelius to Shakespeare to Hemingway.
But its almost always filled with beta cuck manlets who can't get laid. In their social and historical context the vast majority of 'great' authors were degenerate losers desperate for pussy and would basically write anything even things they deeply disagreed with, to trick women primarily into spreading their legs.
So the great works of western literature are filled with appeasements towards women. Weak, ugly men need to develop unique tools for spreading their seed. It doesn't help that almost any author you have read in school alive over the past 200 years was a raging marxist and wrote biased trash with respect to the human condition. Willfully so, because they felt it would 'benefit humanity' if they lied.
>>79012889
>Whoever the fuck allowed that book to get past the editor and printed deserves death.
I don't like the book, but that's retarded anon. It clearly made a shitload of money, so you would be stupid not to greenlight it.
>>79011465
Gatsby was a fucking cuck. Never had the balls to bang the chick who obviously wanted him. The sorry bastard.
>>79013114
Interracial porn and sex trafficking also make a shit load of money that doesn't mean it should be produced and allowed. But I can see where you are coming from. It's the kind of corner a money loving Jew would come from, but I can see it
>>79008130
It was a book about a depressed teenager. About the struggles that a teenager goes through when they have a fucked up family life. How that undercurrent of familial chaos and loss affects a teenager's ability to cope with society.
The message is what you make of it and the message you take from it will change as you do.
>>79013044
I know nothing about literature, but I would say that 'perceived intelligence' the foundation on which every counter culture movement is build on.
>>79008019
I hated every book the school system recommends. They start this shit early.
The only good piece of literature to come out of english class was Watchmen.
>>79012889
It was pretty good.
The writing style itself is praiseworthy, but people like Proust were excellent writers with boring stories. I personally liked it because at that age I was recognizing a fundamental problem with society and explaining it as "phoniness" was pretty accurate, a kind of existential "actuality" theme here. Further, I don't know where this "pedophilia" accusation is coming from, pretty sure the dream is supposed to be about securing and protecting the future for children, an anti-corruptionist theme, not raping them in fields, that's just nonsense. Furthermore, he seems like a sperg because he kinda is, his heads halfway up his ass and halfway in the sky. He's an incompetent dreamer, but he's not "phony."
also
>not liking museums
>not thinking leaving NY is a good idea.
>>79009381
Reread it.
>>79013316
you read Watchmen in english class?
>>79013146
Right. The successes and limitations of our system, and human potential. Daisy, as Heartiste would lose no time in pointing out, wants to be fucked by a brutal man with "a cruel body," not vaguely fondled by a nice guy who asks permission.
>>79013044
>not liking LOTR
on the contrary, everyone I've met says they don't like Catcher in the Rye, I'd say it's the opposite as you put it.
>>79008019
This book is the definition of controlled opposition. It is edgy and relatable enough that teenagers waking up to the problems of the world accept the message that maturity means the end of rebellion. It offers ultimately self-defeating, intellectualized platitudes that deflect real, productive questioning about the state of the world and those who have a stake in making sure it stays that way.
Holden Caulfield is a Spenglerian trope weaponized to keep otherwise intelligent, thoughtful young men sad and docile.
>>79012364
>>79012334
I'll be honest with you bros. I've seen some depraved shit in my time. But I read that book to about page 50 and had to set it down for a while until I was ready to continue. I think that happened twice, and at other times it was like I couldn't stop. It has weird words that you wont be able to find in most dictionaries. It kind of forces you will think about death, humanity and civilization in ways you may have never considered. It was a redpill experience for me.
Protip: Don't listen to most literary experts' summaries about this one.
It was not about American exceptionalism, or white supremacy or any of that shit. Most experts in Academia managed to totally miss the point and simplify their stupid perception of it. Reading the reviews kind of made me cringe a little.
You guys are stupid, the book is about Holden trying to get over his little brother, Ali, and his death. Hence the whole message of the ducks and the ice pond
>>79013338
This. The whole idea is that the pure dream image contrasts corrupt reality. That reality itself is constitutuonally opposed to it is shown by how wierd and nonsensical it is -- Salinger is saying that this world is so messed up, if it met something pure, the pure thing would be mischaracterized as crazy.
>>79008844
I know you weren't around in 95 because I was and it was not the Golden Age of the internet.
>>79013316
>he didn't read Fahrenheit 451
>he didn't read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>he didn't read War of the Worlds
>he didn't read Macbeth and Julius Caesar
>he didn't read Aristophanes and Sophocles
pleb
>>79013301
>it was about a depressed teenager
Ok first off this kid was a fucking A class cuck. He let that total fucking Stadlater fuck that chick Jane or whatever her name was and instead of being pissed or trying to make himself better he twiddled his thumbs and is mad that the Chad "used her" as if she didn't want his massive thundercock. Not only is he a cuck, but a white knight at that. He orders a fucking prostitue and wants to TALK to her. Like he's gonna get a deep philosophical conservation from this bitch. This kid doesn't have a vicious home life. He isn't having the shit beat out of him, his parents are together, there's no abuse, the kid is just a mopey son a bitch. And he runs around fucking NYC with a 10 yr old. Most ridiculous shit I've ever read
>>79013566
You want to throw up, read the Songs of Malodoror by L'autremont. I made it to the "revelation of the method" with the orphan, which is like three pages in.
>>79013535
I don't see how, it inspired me back in Highschool to figure out what was wrong with the world.
I wrote a paper on "The Nature of Man and the Distribution of Power in the World" essentially outlining Man's corruption and how the Totalitarian government is the only system in the world.
as I recall I classified 3 types of people in the world: Puppets, Puppetmasters, and Parasites.
They thought I was going nuts and made me take counseling. it was pretty hilarious.
>>79013498
our culture is changing, we are moving through the emperor has no clothes paradigm moment.
>>79013310
Try this, read both of these short stories (3 pages) considered classics, and tell me which author you prefer:
https://ia800306.us.archive.org/31/items/IndianCampErnestHemingway_661/IndianCampByErnestHemingway.pdf
http://holybooks.lichtenbergpress.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/A-country-doctor-by-Franz-Kafka.pdf
>>79013044
>fuckin' oath mate red pills us on all literature
>>79013338
Buddy it was a joke. The writing style just ends up documenting some mopey fucking kid. He's a white knight and a cuck for letting Stadlater fuck that chick Jane and then feeling as if Jane was being taken advantage of (as if she didn't enjoy it). Why the fuck is a 10 yr old sneaking out in NYC when the crime was absolutely rampant? I've lived here my whole life and that's just asking to get fucked up. This guy is autism tier. He's going around to mueseum and shit with a 10 yr old and that's supposed to be the filler in the book? 50% of the book is him walking around with his smartass sister and pretending he is better than everyone. This kid is like a grunge kid in the 90s complaining about jocks and conformists
>>79013760
Thanks anon I will check it out.
>>79008213
Probably right.
>>79008019
Salinger did nothing wrong. Catcher in the Rye is good, but perhaps a little overrated. Nine Stories is great though.
>>79008697
The giver is based af
The movie is cancer
>>79014151
he's not 10.
it's the 1950's, crime was not NEARLY as rampant back then as it is now.
He is a white knight and a cuck, he's also aware of this and it's making him think.
you could describe him as the 90's grunge kid.
Basically all I'm hearing from you is "this kid's a loser, I don't like him." Well we've all been losers at some point, you seem pretty hung up on bashing this book, seems kinda loserish if you ask me.
The point which America took a turn for the worse was the election right after women had been given the right to vote.
>>79012364
Blood Meridian is his masterpiece.
>>79014318
nine stories IS great. so are the others, Franny and Zooey, and Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenters and Seymour.
>>79008019
I read it as a kid. I thought it was overrated. Now I understand that it was probably just dated and the zeitgeist of when it was written is no more.
>spineless wimps
Men who were born in the 90s are approaching 30. The 90s was the age of pedophilia hysteria. Men were kicked out of their positions as teachers and women took up those positions. Schools ceased to focus around hard education and became places to build up and support women. They became daycares for children and beauty parlours for women where female teachers and mothers could meet, drink coffee and discuss shit like how their partners piss them off while very lightly touching upon their child's education. Both female students and teachers were the only focus of schooling from the 90s onwards with a heavy intrusion of mothers of students controlling school through means of PTAs and their worldwide equivalents.
Boys have not simply been left behind, they have grown up in extremely feminized environments, they have been sabotaged and brainwashed and manipulated to act like women. So no, you can't just call men spineless wimps as if they chose to be so. The CIA doesn't brainwash people and expect them to overcome it.
Do you really expect a boy to go to school, with female teachers and a female principal, sit quietly at a desk for 8 hours a day while their female peers are the focus of lessons being fed a curriculum designed for female minds, taught by female minds and not be affected by it?
God forbid those boys have to go home to a single mother because his mum was so aggressive in her quest for female dominance that she drove away her husband. Even if the boy has a dad he probably gets home late and has only enough energy to focus on his wife who nags and controls.
Feminism is the symptom of women's entitlement, not the other way around. Women have been conditioned through social pressure and groupthink, advertisements by the media and TV shows in general to think they are deserving of more than men and even their children.
>>79008019
OP is fucking braindead.
Catcher is the only piece of fiction I've ever re-read. Masterpiece of American literature.
Holden rails against almost nothing but degeneracy. He unmasks undeserving, weak, degenerated, entitled assholes for the entire book.
>>79012918
If you think any of >>79012641 are "big words" then you need to find a more suitable pastime than critiquing literature.
>>79014486
actually the homicide rate seems to be quite similar these days.
>>79011542
How the fuck is it not? Name ONE novel without a plot.
ITT: Philistinism
>>79014897
it's called antisemitism now anon :^)
>>79014772
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
>>79014830
homicide yea but I assumed the guy was talking about the conception of NY as this fucking monstrous hive of criminals like it was back in the 80's and 90's, it may not be that now but old habits die hard.
>>79013316
We read Animal Farm, Of Mice and Men, Hamlet, Macbeth, The Pearl, Old Man and the Sea, part of the Canterbury Tales and others.
Seemed pretty good to me. In Canada they read comics in English class? No wonder leaves are so fucking stupid.
>>79013758
he has a MENTAL ILLNESS you total fuckwit. Seeing his friend commit suicide did not help his condition
>>79008940
I like this picture.. Made me giggle in my brain.
>>79008019
Didn't like it as much though my favorite book in high school was Battle Royale, Of mice and men, and 1984.
I was forced to do a book report on 1984, because my teacher at the time caught me on my phone and said this would be a perfect book for me.
>>79008130
It's a book you have to re-read as an adult, because you probably related to it too much when you were a teenager yourself. When you have some distance and some experience, you will realize the book really captures what a lot of young men go through at that age.
I hated it when I was forced to read it in high-school. Looking back, I probably just hated it because I saw so much of myself in Holden.
He truly was the catcher in the rye
Holden has common teenage flaws that you are supposed to relate to, but avoid. In my opinion, the book points out common viewpoints of young people and shows how pathetic they are. The message I got from the book was grow the fuck up, it's scary but get over it.
>>79013586
This. Why has no one else said it?
>>79015622
witnessed
but check these.
reading this book from the perspective of a depressive is strange. i remember my teacher made me do all kinds of research on depression and suicide because my mom just killed herself when we read it. weird times
>>79015038
it was a good video until he started talking about Group learning. I have always HATED group learning. for one they were always idiots, but for two I feel much more comfortable expressing ideas within the confines of my head, there's no censor, no one to interrupt, no competition. Just me and my thoughts. It's much easier.
>>79013044
>LotR is shit, Harry Potter is better
If you're not a 11 year old girl you should kill yourself immediately.
>>79008019
the whole point of the book is to show you what a pathetic betacuck Holden is and how efficiently he lies, to himself and others
the book, which is one YUGE redpill, has nevertheless been co-opted and subverted by putting it on the list of things that everyone MUST read in school, which ensures that not many actually do
I tought the book was great. It actually tought me to think (I was like,12?) about life and NOT wanting to become a stupid fuck like the protagonist
>>79008019
What book is this even? Never heard of it?
We read 1984
>>79013760
What is so bad about it? My curiosity is very piqued.
>>79013586
>"I hope girls will think I'm smart" starter pack.jpg
>>79008019
Why not the opposite?
>That was book who acknowledged the issue for the first time
I'm surprised that Ishmael is still required reading in so many public schools. It literally names the jew and my entire high school had to read it for their freshman year.
>>79014033
Hemingway was easier to read. I enjoyed how straight forward it was.
Kafka was confusing to read but it was very interesting in the way he crafted the story and the imagery he used. It was a bit too deep for me.
I prefer the way Hemingway writes. Liked Kafka's story better.
>>79015488
Same for me with Dante's Comedy.
At school it sucked... but now I realize reading it is basically like browsing pol.
>>79015488
I really hope not. Holden at 17, was making realizations that most 13 year olds already understood. He was literally a retard
>>79009137
Kinda seems like you already have autism; I wouldn't worry about those vaccines
/lit/ here
(part 1)
This book was revolutionary for its time. It was written back in the 40's, and it is said that J.D Salinger wrote some parts of it when he was in Normandy during ww2.
In the 50's almost everything in this book was a taboo, including the prostitute thing and those dirty words he uses sometimes. This book kind of shocked that generation, because they were a lot more traditional than people today. I mean, the book went out 10 years before Kennedy was assassinated... and have been written while Stalin was still alive.
The book is about innocence, but in a way that could be very subjective. If you get to think about multiple interpretations, you will read it a lot of times. At least for me, after reading this book again as an adult, I interpreted it a lot like the movie American Beauty. Like when Holden is asking the taxi drivers where the ducks go in winter, they never take the question Holden asks them literally… It is like he’s asking them what happens to everybody when winter comes and there’s nowhere else to go, as the second taxi driver tells him about the fish frozen beneath the ice when he was asked about the ducks (and you notice that the whole book is about holden going to different places, trying to make contact to people and eventually fails to be connected to everybody but his sister).
He’s also wearing a hunting hat he bought for 1 dolar while asking where the ducks go to the taxi drivers… and the hat makes him happy the same way he used to say in a funny way how his old history teacher got happy because he bought a handmade Navajo blanket in Yellowstone. The book has a lot of different things open to interpretation.
>>79015038
The guy speaking is a globalist pawn. He wants children to learn extremely fast and vroadly through computers and iphones while the rest of their study is done in large groups similar to socialism.
I think children should be able to choose to learn. Schools should be like a library where you go in freely, there should be facilities where children can learn woodwork, art, metalwork, etc. There should be teachers there to help them one on one. If you feel like just playing sport all day you can do that or if you just want to sit in the woodwork room making awesome carvings, you can do that too.
>>79016436
(Part 2)
About the degenerate thing, South park has an episode where mr. Garisson talks about this book and the kids don't find it impressing at all, because a lot of those things eventually became normal today…
But I believe Salinger didn't mean to sound millenial nor degerate at all...
Even though it seems like Holden was an angry guy without a reasonable cause, during the book you eventually can realise he had some problems he just couldn't handle, such as losing his little brother and having his roomate possibly fucking the only girl he loved in an innocent way.
But if we don’t take the historical context and the time the book was written, then yes, it could easily be interpreted like a modern teenager in multiple ways, intead of your grandfather’s misadventures.
Something cool about this book is that game “Bully” was kind of inspired by it. Jimmy tends to use a lot the word “phony”, his roomate fucks him up, he lives in a prep school and by the end of the game he dates a girl that looks a lot like the prostitute Holden describes in the hotel room…
It is a very passionate book that sadly was perpetually perverted by murderders
OP is a phony
Still better then what I had to read for English: Fuckin CLIVE CUSSLER ICEBERG
"you like action anon, so i thonk you will like it" AND THEN HE DESTROYED A FIGHTERJET WITH A HELICOPTERS ROTORBLADES
>>79009223
>Holden raped his sister
It's been a few years, but I think I would remember this. Would you mind explaining?
>>79016594
>not ramming a steam engine ship into an alien invader's walker
you missed out on the real action m8
>>79016022
Yea that's why it's so terrible. It told you how not to be when you were 12. The main character is 17 .
He is retarded
>>79008697
>Then i decided books were for fags
Good goy, just watch tv instead
>>79016366
you must be a very smart man
>>79012334
Nothing and everything.
Deep meditation and critical thinking is the only true redpill. Everything must be read with a grain of salt.
Taking information face-value is blue-pilled.
Literature (English, etc) teachers are probably the most blue-pilled fuckers on the planet, especially the ones that try to project some hidden meaning bullshit in Shakespeare instead of deciphering the grammar for "modern" usage. The ones that are red-pilled are trapped by the curriculum since Bush enacted "no child left behind".
Private schools are blue-pill havens. Kids don't learn anything except how to get connections and are free to do whatever the fuck they want.
I feel so much like Holden. Some of the few people I get along with in this world are children. If it wasn't for my little brother, I'd probably kill myself.
This book was pushed on me in high school because presumably, I was supposed to identify with it or whatever. I don't get why it's pushed so hard as "youth literature".
>>79013146
in the movie he bangs her when he first meets her at a party and then has an affair with her later when he's rich, idk if that's implied in the book, haven't read in a long, saw the movie on tv a few years ago
also there are some people that say in CitR the old schoolteacher that he says goodbye to when he gets expelled from Pencey prep in the beginning has sexual overtones and that he molested him
>>79015924
You're not a fucking elf. the ideas behind LotR are interesting, a Hyperborean epic fused from different European myths and legends. The way it's written is just painful, there are pages and pages and pages of Bombadill singing.
Harry Potter reads like a snappy script, the pacing in most (not all) of the books is excellent and that's why they translated to film so well. On the other hand the LotR movies are visually entertaining but completely devoid of any charm or humor. You are sitting through and increasingly morbid retelling of WW2, it's not edgy or 2dark4u, it's just depressing and meaningless. They save the world, but magic dies anyway so they all leave, the end.
There are far more interesting epics to read than Tolkeins reinterpretation of the fall of the Nazi's.
Tell me, have you objectively sat down and read LotR cover to cover then read HP cover to cover over say 3 months and then asked yourself which do you prefer.
Or are you just responding with emotion based on what society is telling you, HP is babbysfirstplagiarizedyoungadultfictionwithdragons and LotR is muhdeepeuropeanhistoryandmythology.
I mean if you actually enjoyed reading LotR then all power to you my friend. Maybe you should read some more things though, because by all standards of the genres it falls into, it's slow, boring and goes nowhere.
>>79013044
>Tolstoy better than Dostoyevsky
>not liking Joyce
I don't like your opinions
>>79008019
Things you probably didn't glean from just a superficial reading of this book:
>Holden is recounting his tale from the comfort of a mental hospital somewhere in California. He talks about his screenwriter brother coming to visit him and making the drive out to see him. Its possible that what he's writing is his own personal record of what he relates to his therapist or even his therapist's notes.
>While he was a child, Holden was the victim of sexual abuse from his father. The dedication reads "For my mother" but not for his parents. He finds himself sexually frustrated as he is unable to be the aggressor in sexual situations and stops when girls ask him to when really they want him to persist (the girl in his class, the prostitute in the city). This is because he knows what it means to be the victim of unwanted sexual conduct and he is unable to separate his identity from that of a victim. Despite OP's picture, he actually wears his hunting cap backwards. The symbolic implication is that he is the opposite of a hunter; the prey. Holden fantasizes about stopping children from maturing and reaching sexual maturity because he has a perturbed understanding of what that means.
>Holden reacts to his teacher playing with his hair with hostility and assumes he's making a pass at him because he's familiar with the sexual dynamics of that situation. Had he not had the first hand experience of being abused he would have reacted with more naively.
>There are other symbols for his sexual impotence such as losing the fencing team's equipment on the subway (the team's equipment = libido, the subway = the unconscious)
>Holden mentions he has some white hairs. Young people often get white hair in response to traumatic events. This is because the hormones induced by fight-or-flight situations force hair strands out of the body before they have time to properly absorb pigment.
>1984
>Farenheit 451
>Brave New World
Summer reading
>>79013995
You wrote a paper on ideology using theoretical abstractions. There is a difference between this and realizing why the quality of your school has dropped over the past 20 years, why your father can't find steady work, why media propagates a specific, consistent brand of lies, and why adults in apparently high esteem are trying to ram pills down your throat to treat disorders that don't really exist.
Ideology is controlled opposition incarnate. It provides a set of doctrinaire explanations that appear very impressive and have a bunch of fanfare. Young people seeking to signal intelligence and maturity to others eat that shit up. Even if you come to ideology seeking to use it to explain the ills of the world, you will soon spend more time examining ideology for the sake of ideology.
It is a strategic distraction and an elaborate game with the frequent side effect of concluding that everything is relative, reason is a failed concept, and those who are successful are not entitled to the fruits of their success. Almost makes you think who might stand to benefit from a bunch of otherwise dangerously intelligent young men spinning their gears on futile mental puzzles that ultimately leave them depressed and compliant?
>>79014387
I don't think this can be emphasized enough.
>>79017129
>While he was a child, Holden was the victim of sexual abuse from his father.
>Holden reacts to his teacher playing with his hair with hostility . . . Had he not had the first hand experience of being abused he would have reacted with more naively.
All of that is just projection and meaningless forced drama you made up as fanfiction to make the character more "interesting" by giving tangible reasons for the way he is instead of him just being that way like a normal human
I also have a big issue with being the pursuer in a relationship and dislike people touching me, all this means is I'm a beta fag not that I was raped by my fucking father
>>79017207
the relativity thing is true, I spun that wheel for a while till I took Moral Philosophy in college and realized that morals are actually important. same with Truth.
though I see what you're saying. You're saying abstract ideologies won't fix real world practical problems. While I think there is truth to that, I think a solid Philosophical grounding is necessary for morality and things like that to "stand the test of time." otherwise we get things like the Jews abstracting the fuck out of things until Relativity seems like Truth.
Essentially, I mean that the only way to fight the relativity and falsity of ideology is to create one that is impenetrable. And to do that you need to study ideology.
>>79008019
Interesting. I agree with everything you say except that I think the point is that you are supposed to hate how much of a fucking pussy Holden in but then you realize alot of the way he acts is reflected in yourself or the people around you when you are a teenager. It personally made me step back when I was a kid and think "fuck, I don't want to be like that"
>>79013044
Moby Dick is pretty much the best written book in the English language, holy shit you win the biggest pleb award
>>79013044
This post has to be from a female or numale.
Such asinine belligerence.
>>79014033
>culture is changing
Changing would be the correct word. It's certainly not progressing, in a literal sense.
The word "progressive" is being thrown around as ignorantly as "communism" was/is.
As far as I'm concerned anything who uses the word "progressive" figuratively might as well be a "communist".
>>79017642
It certainly has the greatest vocabulary.
>>79017306
>>79014387
It's badly written, the setting is even less plausible than most YA dystopic fiction (for example, do the math re: the breeding program described and you can calculate exactly how long it takes their society to collapse), and the omgosh shocking twist was a contrived author saving throw resulting from the author's failure to motivate her own main character (let alone the reader) to reject the fantasyland without depicting graphic infanticide.
I read it in elementary school and even then my intelligence was insulted.
>>79017092
Well, I read a lot, always have, and I loved LoTR, I've read it may be 6 times during my life. For the first time when I was 11, in a language that was not my own. May be you should not presume so much, I'm far from the only one who genuinely loves LoTR, which when properly appreciated becomes much more than a mere literary work.
>>79015038
>Keep cultural identity
Except they don't fucking morons.
>>79017092
LotR isn't a World War allegory.
>>79013044
>LotR is utter shit, the Hobbit is wonderful and HP is comfy.
You liked the Hobbit but NOT the Lord of the Rings? That's a literacy issue. Of the three bookvyou mentioned, LotR is a LOT more advanced than the others. The others are actually children's books.
You might benefit tremendously from hearing it in audio form. I recommend the Phil Dragash version. It's free online, just look it up.
>>79017100
>>79017642
Pavlovian responses. I'm convinced you need to be in severe isolation for about a decade for the stuff >>79017537 is talking about to really sink in.
The alternative is to set a stronger more compelling narrative that brainwashes people into believing the truth. But the potential for abuse here is rampant, if you could convince people of anything why would you not just use that to advance yourself and your own interests.
I think that's where religion fits in nicely and why we still have religious people today. Islam sounds false and hollow because Mohammed just used it to advance himself. Christianity seems more believable, because Jesus Christ made the ultimate sacrifice. The acceptance of religion is the necessary rejection of all that opposes it, absolutism scares the writers of any propaganda, because it means you cannot corrupt or subvert the purity of an idea.
Think about how much you are told in your life that nothing is ever one way or another way and you need to seek a middle ground. Do we teach physicists or mathematicians the same thing? Is our universe a middle ground, is 1+1 sometimes 3? Does the speed of light in vacuum vary just because?
>>79017841
you probably associate it with happy childhood memories. I also read it when I was very young and many times over. Coming back to it now, after 2 decades of sifting through the cannon of western and eastern writings all it leaves me with is the warm summer days sitting in the shade of a peach tree balancing the heavy book on my lap and carefully turning the thin pages, or being cosy inside on a rainy day and getting lost in that world through the words. Objectively, it's crap writing.
>>79017784
Isn't dismissing someone outright itself asinine belligerence. Technology changes but people are as dumb as ever.
>>79018285
>advocates reading comprehension
>fails at reading comprehensively
>>79018231
overtly no, but what is eugenics, who are easterlings
>>79017092
I can tell your literature teacher was/is exactly the type I described in my first post in this thread.
Projecting their agenda on their students instead of teaching them critical thinking skills. Probably coasting through their curriculum.
Although there's an equal chance that you're just a sociopath.
>>79018795
Modern eugenics was extensively realized by American progressives prior to WWI, let alone the Nazis. Europe meanwhile has weathered attacks from the East since antiquity.
>>79018795
No it is outright asinine belligerence to attack writers as "not real men".
Take your agenda and fuck yourself.
Again, you're either a female or numale. No sane-minded male would think this way.
>>79019037
What literature teacher, why would I waste my time studying that shit? Im a physics student finishing my phd in applied lasers.
If I don't have critical thinking skills, I'm pretty sure 99.99% of humanity is fucked bud, since it's people like me who contribute to advancing medicine, weapons and technology forward. Who are these bastions of human intellect who are free thinkers? Junkies jerking off in abandoned tenement buildings? Drunks fighting outside bars on Friday nights?
>>79019048
Europe was also incredibly antisemitic for hundreds of years, yet the dwarves come off as mostly positive if not positively benign. ((coincidence))
>>79019346
read a biography of some of your favourite authors then rethink what you just wrote. It's strange you react in such a hypersensitive way, what would even be the point of shilling in this thread, the mk ultra program for catcher in the rye ended decades ago afaik.
>>79008859
This is how I felt about "on the road" by kerouac
I tried twice but couldn't get past halfway either time. Nothing interesting happened and it read like it was some random idiot's meandering blog
it's my mom's favorite book. she's voting for clinton in november.
>>79019346
>damage control
How does it feel to know that the aussie is probably right :^)
even today the world of writers is filled with beta cucks, real men have real jobs and not a past-time hobby
>>79019809
kek
get rekt anon
when you're going to kill her?
>>79019913
absolutely never but i am upset with her
>>79014793
his character is repeatedly shown to be immature and confused (or in denial) about the nature of reality
just like /pol/
>>79019870
I work 40 hours a week and write between shifts. There's little reason why "artists" shouldn't be able to support themselves while they do their creative work on the side, in my opinion.
Literature is absolute garbage.
Fiction literature is degenerate art, because it assigns value to literal bullshit that idiot writers want to spew. And then you get liberals and fags who start to read too deep into the literature, and just make up asinine bullshit and assign 'value' to it.
And that's how activist judges were normalized. Fuck the living document!
>>79019346
how many biographies or autobiographies of your favorite writers have you read? not just the wikipedia articles but actual biographies. most of these guys were straight up betacucks
>>79008019
Alright Joe atwill. Didn't know you were a /pol/ack
>>79008019
his parents were wealthy jews and u expect something more than a sperg complaining about how money isn't making him happy? Its /pol/ the book...
>>79019870
Feels like you're not trying, and also a female or numale fruitlessly trying to defend a fellow sociopath.
>>79020599
calling anyone who disagrees with you a numale or female does not make you right, no matter how many times you repeat it
>>79014033
we read indian camp in middle school. good shit but my favorite was the giver, fast paced, full fantasy world, ambiguous ending. The description of colors being removed as a metaphor was really genius. Its too bad the movie was so bad. I usually get bored with books and The Giver was finishable with no skimming or skipping.
>>79020454
This.
With very few exceptions, I only read biographies and various self-help, DIY books. Reading should be meant for learning only. Fiction literature is just a platform for weird fucks to write about stupid shit that low-IQ retards assign meaning to, even in parts where no meaning was intended (which is more often than not).
>>79009693
agreed
franny and zooey, RHTRC, 9 stories...I wish this was the america I lived in. you faggots really can't read, can you?
>>79020821
The Giver? Is that by the author of Lemon Party?
>>79020392
maybe I should've explained my reasoning, writers are beta cucks, real men can and may write, but if it's not a hobby on the side, you're a failure.
>>79009905
a kid fails out of school, ambles around the city, makes some attempts at relating to other people without having thr emotional or verbal vocabulary to articulate a sense of wrongness and displacement , reaches out to his sister.
it's been over a decade since I read it. CintheR isn't his best book. 9 stories or franny and zooey give you a glimpse into the life of America in a time when people had a sense of morals and class, but where seeking out a deeper meaning . art and science seemed to hold greater promise than just a better smart phone. the majority of men had served their country and suffered to hold up ideals that were later corrupted. read about who salinger actually was and understand that his characters are better than real life. not just more heroic or cool, but more heartfelt and noble, with a deep inner life
>>79021262
*-Maybe I should've explained my reason
I wasn't explaining shit. It's too early for this shit.
Every incoming freshman, honors included, had to read this garbage
>>79021114
no. It sums up jewish thought. One anon thought the murder plot was clumsy but I think he was thinking about it wrong. She had a grandfather who was in the holohoax and wanted to write on the importance of memory. At the end of the book the main character dies in the wilderness, but dies a free man and knows of the original sin kept from him.
>>79008697
>Then in 3rd grade I started reading Dune and I read all of it until 5th grade.
Give me whatever spice you were tripping on bro
>Can you please give me some alcohol
Fuck no kid you're too young.
>Please this hotel lobby is so boring
No.
>Please-
No, fucking damnit.
>O-okay...
>>79014816
Nope, didn't work.
In England we had to read Of Mice and Men. That was pretty great.
I haven't read this piece of shit since high school. Someone give me the short and quick of it.
>>79013472
Yes, and I found this annoying. I didn't enjoy the story of some rich guy with no balls.
>>79009011
Are you a English teacher? The book was stupid.
>8th grade group project
>oral report on catcher in the rye
>did my report myself because fuck the lazy niggers not doing shit and living off my good grades
>spent my entire report shitting on the author and his whiny bitch ass MC
>got a C-
>told to redo it for better grade
>argued with teacher and got permission to use any book in the library I wanted
>had one week
>picked up atlas shrugged by accident
>loved it to shit
>my oral report had to be presented to the whole class
>went into intimate detail how the world is full of lazy and incompetent parasites that feed off the working class
>pissed off my teacher
>pissed off the niggers who were on welfare
>hippie fuck failed for me disagreeing with his politics
>was in the middle of reading fountainhead when suddenly all the ayn rand books disappeared
>first time I was ever redpilled
>hate catcher in the rye to this day
>>79017056
Not in the book. Leave it to Hollywood to put sex on screen no matter what.
>>79027798
>whiny kid takes a train
>gets upset at the word fuck
>talks to a whore
This was outrageous to the people in the 50s or whenever it was written.
>book ban causes undue attention
Am I missing anything?
>>79031282
you must read fast to do shrugged in one week?
ITT: Illiterate niggers
>>79025841
Read that here in the US, as well as Catcher in the Rye, Ethan Frome, multiple works of Shakespeare, etc as basic readings.
It's mindblowing how people see anything in Catcher in the Rye though. At the end all I could think was "What the fuck Caulfield? What the fuck? Tell me what the fuck happened you bastard". I honestly don't know why people think it's a classic. It's just a complaining spoiled shitrag who never gets to the damned point.
Of Mice and Men at least had a good ending to it. It had closure and felt complete.
Obligatory.
>>79008019
All of the books they push in public school are anti-capitalist, anti-freedom of speech propaganda. Public school is there to destroy the family, and turn everyone into meat puppets for whomever controls the system.
>Prussian/American public education produces retarded meatpuppets
http://archive.nevadajournal.com/nj98/05/prussian.htm
>History of American/Prussian education, and modern leftist perversion of curriculum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhdvRx_lmkg
>Ex-KGB reveals mass subversion of American, and Western school systems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
>>79019549
>the mk ultra program for catcher in the rye ended decades ago
you are intelligent. do you actually believe there was an mk ultra connection to the book?
>>79032508
>Of Mice and Men at least had a good ending to it. It had closure and felt complete.
Hollywood was created for people like you. I suggest you stick to reading novelizations of movies, or just skip reading altogether and watch the latest blockbuster.
>>79008019
Yeah, it's pretty terrible.
>>79013586
>Paperbacks
>>79021430
I saw the movie. It was nice to see KStew get raped.
>>79021430
muh rape culture
>>79011345
holden was a robot
>>79011786
>>>>not reading books
illiterate
>>79013738
based taste
While we're on the subject I just want to rant about Of Mice and Men.
The praise that piece of shit gets is totally unwarranted. The story basically holds you emotionally hostage expected you to care about this big dumb retard that nobody in their right mind would haul around with them, especially in a great depression.
>>79009071
This is correct
Salinger was of the Chosen.
>>79042174
RAMZPAUL video on how the media and libtard politicians are essentially colluding with the communists to strip whites of our basic civil rights.
>tfw children are now being raised on THIS FILTH instead
