Calling all Christians. Orthodox, here
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>>79005135
>inviting prot shitposters
>he fell for the orthodox meme
Here is an Orthodox Western Rite icon (it's "Romanesque", a Western Medieval style of art) and a Western Rite hymn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31TqJsTObBc
This is an anti Baptist and Reformed thread now
>>79005379
You've given up knowledge, you don't have a leg to stand on
>>79005379
They're literally cancer anyway.
>>79005702
You have nothing, I got history. Explain this
>>79005787
How do you know know you have history
>>79005731
I agree as an ex Calvinist
>>79005841
The question is for you, not me. I only show how stupid your religion is for the sake of reason and Kek
>>79005856
You were never among us 1John 2:15
>>79005978
God made it so according to Calvinism
>>79005924
Can you even know your reasoning is valid
Hello m8s
>>79006051
So what
>>79005135
Aren't there multiple other these threads still up? I know you love your shitposting but you shouldn't make a new thread when the old ones aren't dead yet.
>>79005135
Lutheran MO Synod here. Pastor gave a good sermon on not losing faith in Christ, despite all the hardships in life internally and externally. How was everyone else's Sunday?
>>79006262
Great mine was about listening to the Holy Spirit
>>79006195
No, this is a continuation of the last Christian general, which reached post limit
>>79005292
Rename that file now.
>>79006262
Pretty good, my priest gave a homily about how the forces of darkness now try to chip away at us through appeals to "get with the times".
>>79005135
I just want to post this if nothing else.
>>79006100
Thank you for proving me right
>>79006060
I do. But you don't because presuppositialism is pseudophilosophy
>>79006331
Why don't you go to a board where this wouldn't be off-topic bullshit if you want to make these threads? You could havr a wonderful little circlejerk over on >>>/x/
>>79006554
Everyone has presupositions
>>79006456
As my religion always says, in the world not of the world. Most of the degenerate trash happening these days are mere fads so no sweat.
>>79006565
Christian threads have always had a place on /pol/.
>>79006456
Oooh, nice. I can very much respect when a pastor stays old school, as the "get with the times" mantra is nothing but code for "compromise everything" which the fucking Episcopal church did in spades. What denomination, if I may ask? And I
>>79006467
I would serve a Russian Tsar, as the only Christian King appointed by God.
>>79006484
I'm asking so what, if you're worried about going to hell, then repent and put your trust in Christ
>>79006707
I'm the OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc
>>79006659
>Most of the degenerate trash happening these days are mere fads so no sweat.
Indeed, but what irks me the most is that a lot of churches reflect this degeneracy, it's really sad.
>>79006907
Bleh, should have checked the ID.
>>79006714
I don't know about that but I do appreciate Nicolas' resistance of Bolsheviks which was ultimately an anti-religious group
Reminder these are /pol/ heritage threads
When /pol/ was /n/ it had Wednesday and Sunday church threads
When it was /new/ it had nightly ossuary thread (rolled over into early /pol/)
And before the the /pol/ harbor attacks and a little after it had Christian generals
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/24577193/#24577193
There was even /pol/'s old soccer team (look at their names) aka our old memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMgdw2Tief4
>>79006714
Peter and Catherine were both awful and enemies of the Church, but overall I support monarchy as well.
anyone else listen to james white here
>>79007271
ossuary threads were my favourite, so comfy.
>>79006618
Presup apologetics is shit. In fact it's so shit we can use it to defend the divine inspiration of Harry potter
>>79007329
Yep, he did great in the Silverman debate
>>79006743
Under your framework NOBODY can do that. Stop contradicting yourself loser
>>79007428
Would you do a professional debate on the existence of hoggwarts
>>79007441
He did shit! History proves him wrong
>>79007518
No, just as i don't do professional debates with hackpologetics
>>79007503
Insults wow you are low
For a former Calvinist, you really don't know our theology, those of the elect will repent and put their trust in Christ. The natural man doesn't care and scoffs
>>79007329
More like Shit White. Shit is the only thing he spews
>>79007602
That's just your presupositionb
>>79007425
They were so nice
I miss Skullcross
Last I heard he joined a monastery
Good for him
>>79007717
I do. I simply state the logical stance of Calvinism. Too bad if you can't handle the fact that you are contradicting yourself everytime you ask someone to trust in Christ since that is God doing it, not you. Stupid
>>79007781
I have the authority of academia to prove my point. He doesn't. Stay mad loser
>>79005135
i sincerely hope that nobody converted to orthodoxy because of this board
you know the russian government is jewing the alt-right to make us more obedient to russian interests, don't you? converting people to (russian) orthodoxy is part of their plan.
don't believe me? compare these two videos; one was made by the russian government, the other made by an anonymous youtuber with suspiciously similar content & animation quality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEaw6ktxg-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63PN2bxAXE
tl;dr russian subverters are shilling orthodoxy on this board to jew the alt-right. convert to protestantism to avoid being jewed
>>79007776
thanks for your meaningful response
>>79007894
Your arguing hyper Calvinism, the greatest gift, besides my salvation, God has given me, is the fact I don't know who the elect are
>>79007996
Here, academia proves him wrong on sola ScriptUra in the early church
>>79007970
I'm probably the the no. 1 Orthodox shill of 4chan, and I'm Greek Orthodox
>>79007276
Which Peter?
And if you support monarchy get the fuck out of this country, go to England or some hole like that. Why do you stay here if you want a monarch to worship?
>>79008167
Ethnically Greek, or that's the orthodox you grew up in?
>>79008045
That's normal Calvinism and fact. With calvinist predestination all notion of sentience and autonomy goes out of the window. Only God has it and he controls all beings. Hence it follows that God made me 'trust' him, not me. I am not responsible
>>79008252
Peter the Great
You don't think this country would be better of Queen Elizabeth administrated it? I don't see any point to moving to England here, since the monarch over there only has marginal political power compared to the prime minister and parliament.
>>79008342
Neither, I'm Celtic-Nordic and a convert.
how important are denominations really? Isn't the whole sola scriptura stuff means that denominations aren't that important?
>>79008507
Okay then quit whining about it,
>>79008561
Each Protestant denomination has their own take on what Scripture means.
>>79008513
Gotcha. What drew you to Greek Orthodox, or did that happen to be the closest Orthodox church near you?
>>79008561
Ultimately no, as long as you put your trust in Christ alone for your salvation. Denomination is a minuscule issue
>>79008615
No. I'll continue exposing the absurdity of Calvinism
>current year
>getting on your knees for muslim cock
GOOD GOYIM
JESUS WOULD BE SO PROUD
>>79008627
But all non cults are considered Christian in the Protestant circle
>>79008627
The Catholic ones do as well. Last time I listened to an Orthodox service, it was pretty much everything I've ever heard in a Roman Catholic church, right down do the one holy catholic and apostolic church.
Seems like we all have our various minor or maybe less minor disagreements.
>>79008513
>Peter the Great
How was Peter the Great an enemy of the Church?
>You don't think this country would be better of Queen Elizabeth administrated it?
Hells no. No government could be improved by putting a monarch at the top of it.
>since the monarch over there only has marginal political power compared to the prime minister and parliament.
I'm sure there's some shithole with a nice powerful that you can take your monarchist ass to. We don't need monarchist scum like you in America.
>>79008818
I think that depends on which Protestants denomination you ask, they widely vary. Certainly Episcopalians consider Mormons to be Christians, since they accept Mormon baptism as valid
>>79008818
God has split personality disorder according to you
>>79008740
Why do you care, eat drink and be merry, your just an evolved water bag in your world view
>>79005135
Orthodox here. Interesting link.
I've had the intention to go to my first orthodox liturgy for the past month but I keep putting off cuz I backslide with porn/masturbation
I'll be aiming for next Sunday again
>>79008824
If you read the entirety of Orthodox liturgy of all days (the sum of Orthodox dogma), you'd find quite a few differences. The meat of the matter isn't different, it's more the stuff that changes that is.
>>79008883
As a former Episcopal, I don't consider them Christians anymore. Anglicans, however, are still fine.
>>79008984
I hate Calvinism and I want to destroy it
>>79008883
There are bare essentials
Jesus must be both God and man
Trinity is a must
You must put your trust in Christ alone for your salvation
>>79009069
Of course you do, cause you know it's right and you hate God
>>79008831
Peter was a demonically possessed Freemason who physically attacked priests whenever he could and launched a campaign or persecution against Old Believers, who he necessitated by imposing aggressive reforms.
>>79009180
I am a mere mechanical puppet according to your theology. God is simply controlling me and making me hate him. I have no volition according to Calvinism
>>79008831
>How was Peter the Great an enemy of the Church?
Ended the Patriarch of the Church, installed a synod that had to report to him, and made immense effort to Protestantize the Church. Read Ways of Russian Theology (a history of the Russian Church). Ask any member of the clergy how they feel about Peter the Great, and you will not get a positive response. Nicholas II is a saint, but Peter the Great was not good.
>I'm sure there's some shithole with a nice powerful that you can take your monarchist ass to.
They're generally totalitarian. Monarchy is authoritarian, but not totalitarian (in fact, totalitarianism generally sprouts up with the end of monarchy, as in Germany, China and Russia).
>>79009287
I hope God changes your mind, and that you come to repentance and truth, I'm gonna pray for you
>>79009413
God has a split personality. To quench his anger, he beats himself aka his own son up!
>>79005135
New Oxford Annotated Bible vs HarperCollins Study Bible
I have been taking an interest in academic Bible study for some time now, and I keep seeing the both of these recommended for their mainstream scholarly commentary.
Can anyone help me decide between the two? I am very racist and sexist, and I hear that New Oxford Annotated is "inclusive to people of color" and "gender neutral". Is this true for both of them? Is there a study Bible that keeps homosexuality as the primary reason Sodom was destroyed?
>>79009042
Episcopalians are Anglicans, they are the only Anglicans in fact, in America, in Communion with the Church of England.
>>79009100
Not all Protestants would agree these are required. Unitarians point out that the term "Trinity" appears nowhere in Scripture,.
>>79009036
Blessed be your soul, Constantine. May you always keep the faith.
I live in the Western tradition where we regard the state as something different after having lived through a time when there was no state but only the Church. Ironically, it could be that the opposite from the East will be an anchor next time around.
>>79009413
Here, Ignatius of Antioch disproves Calvinism
>>79009535
Unitarians are not Christians
>>79009531
I don't know enough about the second one, but don't go with the former. The commentary may be good, but the translation is so awful that even the appendix lambastes it.
>>79009535
Or atleast not Protestants
>>79009621
So are Calvinists. Predestination is gnostic
>>79009621
On whose authority?
>>79009535
Anglican churches have actually begun to spring up in the USA, due to the Episcopal's actions and decisions in the past decade, and there was even a huge split in regards to Episcopal churches formally leaving and becoming recognized as Anglican. The Episcopal church really tried its damnedest to monetarily destroy the effort too.
>>79009741
I'm praying for you :)
>>79009712
Then neither are baptists.
>>79009741
GNOSTICS sharing Calvinist view of sacraments
>>79009807
>Anglican churches have actually begun to spring up in the USA
I know, I'm going to talk to one this week about their parish coming to Orthodoxy in Western Rite.
>>79009804
Gods/ the Bible
Unitarians are the ones who believe everyone goes to heaven right
>>79009829
You are better off sucking my cock
>>79009859
I'm a reformed Baptist, so yes I am
>>79009911
Calvinism is stupid. Agree?
>>79009952
I'm praying for you, :)
>>79009922
God made the Unitarians do the shit they do according to you
>>79009327
>installed a synod that had to report to him,
Do you want a strong monarch or not?
>Monarchy is authoritarian, but not totalitarian
So, you want a monarch who is in control but doesnt have too much control and lets the Church do whatever they want? What is the monarch for, in your view?
Fuck off, ya stupid monarchist.
>>79009664
NRSV is the current standard for biblical academia, I think. It is considered a liberal translation with its "gender inclusivity" (not using only male pronouns when someone is speaking to a group). And of course "Virgin" is now "young woman".
What do you find to be bad about it?
>>79009911
Yeah, heard that Prince Charles is also very partial to orthodoxy as well, so this may be a big thing as well in regards to the English and its American affiliate's faith
Someone convince me to be a Christian instead of a neoplatonic pagan.
>>79009979
So it means you are stupid. Explain this
>>79010085
KJV or bust
>>79009922
Unitarians are just Trinity denying heretics.
>>79010117
Be a Neoplatonic christian. But NEVER be a Calvinist
>>79010049
ALTMAN BE PRAISED
>>79010153
Calvin drone malfunctioning
>>79010117
Only Christ can forgive sins
>>79009979
Baptist theology is incompatible with Reform theology, since the latter has infant baptism.
>>79010016
It's heretical.
>>79010172
The Bible makes the trinity pretty clear
>>79010221
There is no forgiveness when God the father still demanded compensation. It makes no sense when one realizes how God controls everyone like puppets according to Calvinism
>>79010286
The Bible makes Calvinism pretty false
>>79010147
KJV is great if you like old English, and there are times where it feels poetic. The source material is a manuscript called Textus Receiptus (the received text), and thus KJV is generally considered to be a good translation of bad source material. But it is pleasurable for worship.
>>79010221
I prefer to make up for wrongs by righting them than using my god as a form of vicarious redemption.
>>79010177
Christians are already heavily influenced by neoplatonic thought, it's what helped craft the theology.
>>79010323
Friend, seriously, will you get over Calvinism, which literally nobody care about, or are you trapped at the level of a Malasian 80 IQ nigger?
>>79010455
Guy is starting to become just like Barneyfag.
>>79010455
I think I won't. I am gonna go anti calvinists until all of /pol/ does so
>>79010253
What is heretical about Calvinism? Is it the predestination thing(that's the main thing I hear about it)? But since God is all knowing predestination is correct, innit?
>>79010286
Yeah, that's why Unitarians are heretics.
>>79010441
That's dupid. You should just pray the bad things away.
>>79010441
So if I was a judge and your guilty of murdure, how much right doing must you do for me to not send you to jail
>>79010412
I do like old English. But I don't have time to be a translation expert, so as long as it's more right than wrong then I'm all about what gets me going.
Alternate translations are welcome to apply.
>>79010147
KJV is a really good translation, not to mention beautiful. Too bad the namesake was flaming homosexual
>>79010571
That's a legal matter you fool, not a spiritual one.
>>79010540
>What is heretical about Calvinism?
Everything that isn't Orthodox (including Latinism) as heretical.
>>79010540
Anything with "predestination" within the non Calvinist context is really just stuff based on foreknowlege. In Calvinism predestination is not this, it's just God planning shit before he made the universe. So it isn't things he foresee but he makes intentionally for his plan to be realized. Earlier heresies like that of Mani and the Gnostics contain this idea. They also deny the historical view of the sacraments. They deny any significanance or power to the elements used. Just like the Gnostics
>>79010621
A lot of the clergy of that time were homos, and there are still too many homos. Sure, there are some understandable historical reasons for this, but homos and worse cannot be tolerated like this.
I will respect the next pope who takes decisive action to eradicate evils and wash clean what should be something we can look up to.
>>79010684
Col 2:14
Sin is equated to being a legal debt
The problem is that you have sinned against a just and holy God, who must hold you accountable for it
That's why you need Christ
>>79010582
Do you ever feel like parts of it are hard to understand due to the English used? NIV and NRSV are modern versions that attempt to be word-for-word translations, while still being readable with modern English.
>>79010840
Under a legalistic framework, God is a fraud for he falsely accuses non sentient beings for sins they are incapable of doing! He made them do it just as a wind up toy moves by virtue of the mover starting it up. It can only go in it's preprogrammed direction and no other
>>79011033
I'm praying for you:)
I feel I've been growing closer to Christianity again in these threads. I was confirmed a Catholic at 15. but it has been awhile ..
I'm still struggling with choosing a denomination. I like the independent spirit of Sola Scriptura in Protestants, but I also like the tradition tended to and protected by Catholics. I have to say I'm ignorant on Orthodox.
Do women wear the veils again. I have to say its very pretty.
>>79011084
I
Have won. The fact that this calvinobot can only utter its denial code shows this
>>79011105
Baptist is pretty good, but if you put your trust in Christ alone for your salvation, the Holy Spirit will guide you in the right direction
>>79010981
It's hard to understand regardless of translation. But if I really want to try to think about it, KJV really helps the best.
But that's also just my nature as far as wanting to pick everything apart to figure out how it works inside if it catches my interest.
>>79011169
What does it profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul
Still praying for you:)
>>79011105
Remember this
>>79010773
>it's just God planning shit before he made the universe. So it isn't things he foresee but he makes intentionally for his plan to be realized.
How would any other view make sense?
God is all-knowing right? So he has always known all the stuff that would happen. So anything that happens does so because he wanted it to be that way and that's why he made it so.
>>79011105
>Do women wear the veils again. I have to say its very pretty
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you but your taste is shit.
>>79011301
Souls aren't real.
>>79011441
How do you know that
>>79011301
Your words are pointless when one realized how according to you what I am doing no matter how wrong is in fact part of God's plan. He set up causality with intention such that I would and only would do such!
Every time I come to a Christianity thread on /pol/ it's just denominations and Roman Catholics arguing between yourselves. Instead of discussing stuff that's actually important like saving souls or endtimes eschatology which is more relevant than ever you bicker among yourselves.
>>79011535
Could also be Gods plan to save you, the fact is you don't know
>>79011105
You should look back into the Catholic Church. Don't believe the media hype about Francis; under the surface, as the Vatican II generation fades away, there is something wonderful brewing.
PROTIP: if you do look into Catholicism, try to find a church with a relatively young priest. Normally, of course, young people are stupid, but for a priest, if they're young they probably entered the seminary because they were inspired by either John Paul the Great or Benedict. They'll be extremely traditional, lovers of the Sacraments and the Magisterium. They're your best bet.
>>79011498
How do I know what?
>>79011609
I would gladly share the gospel with you upon request
>>79011441
Molinism for example or you just define omniscience as "knowing the truth value of all propositions". You could even say that God did not make you do it so it doesn't matter anyways.
>>79011652
You said souls aren't real
How do you know that
>>79011609
I'm all for end times stuff. I've never read Revelations, but all the times I put a bit of effort into what little I do know it's been interesting.
Do it, faggot.
>>79005135
Southern Methodist checkin in :D Praise Jesus and the Father!
>>79011635
If Calvinism is true, nothing is even meaningful. It's all pointless as either way, you are a being with no sentience played around like a puppet to a psychopathic deity's twisted pleasure
>>79011609
We just want to find the Truth. Christ said he is the Truth, so we have to seek the Truth so that we can find Christ. We must believe correctly so we can fully seek the Kingdom of God. That's why we bicker so much over theology. We want to have proper belief.
Also
>endtimes eschatology
Anyone who worries over this is a nutter. Conform your life to Christ every single day without fail, and you'll be ready for the endtimes, no matter when they occur.
>>79011208
>>79011362
>>79011441
>>79011643
Thanks friends. I'm in San Antonio, and we happen to have a very old Cathedral that I'd like to visit. Hopefully its not too bad considering its downtown in the tourist area. I'll try visiting on Sunday or Wednesday
I'm that guy who was asking you about the Orthodox Church this morning, Constantine. I went and had a chat with my priest, explained my theology to him, and he told me as long as I show up a couple times first he'll be happy to chrismate me and my entire family within the month.
Sorry Pope Francis, you lost a faithful.
>>79011809
Fuck yeah, dude. Jesus is love, Jesus is life! God is our Holy Father!
>>79011809
As long as you put your trust in Christ alone for your salvation. I will call you a brother
>>79011823
I'm praying for you :)
>>79011824
>Anyone who worries over this is a nutter.
How can you say that? Do you believe that the Bible is divinely inspired? If that is the case, then there has to be a reason that God decided to include so many prophecies pertaining to the end times in there, many of which are being fulfilled right in front of us.
>>79011913
Jesus told me that Calvinism is bullshit. The Bible tells me so
plz dump christ-chan images
>>79011809
Fellow uhh, southern Methodist, reporting in :^) Amen brother!
>>79011751
I thought was what you meant. Well, yes, I can't be certain that there isn't an immaterial thing inside me. I also can't be sure there aren't ghostky undead taking up residence somwhere near my bed but I try noy to worry about it.
Thr point is I don't need to prove to you imaginary things are imaginary. If souls are real as you apparently think they are you prove it.
>>79012008
No, my point, if you read my whole post, is that if you're a real genuine Christian you shouldn't be afraid of the endtimes, even if they're coming soon. If you follow Christ with all your heart, if you have allowed Christ to take possession of your life, then the ending of the world won't matter. God will love you, and you will be all right in the end. There will be no need to fear.
In fact, if the endtimes happen you should be happy, not frightened, because it means everything you believed as a Christian is completely, certainly true.
>>79012053
What verse?
Here is mine
Ephesians 1
Romans 8
John 6:37-42
John 10
Romans 9
>>79010827
Yeah, but King James justified his homosexuality by suggesting Christ and Saint John were lovers
Happy our priests can marry in the Orthodox Church, desu
>>79012149
Amen
>>79012147
You made the claim souls didn't exist
You didn't say you didn't believe in one
Either proove souls don't exist or retract your statement
>>79012265
What translation do the Orthodox use?
>>79012180
All of which aren't Calvinistic, only according to your sick intepretation of them. How I know? Because of scholarship and the fathers
>>79012384
Give me a verse
You said the bible disproved it
>>79012008
>many of which are being fulfilled right in front of us
Endtimes prophecies have been "being fulfilled right in front of us" for centuries.
Will you guys never get tired of waiting fot the end of the world?
>>79012310
I meant, dipwad, that for any practical purpose souls don't exist.
You are the one making the definite claim the do exist. What do you have to back up this wild bullshit?
>>79011643
John Paul II was shit, don't refer to him as great. Reading about the shit he did gave me my first crisis of faith in the RCC.
>>79012469
Let's start by all of them listed by Dunn>>79010403
And the church fathers
>>79012527
Do you retract your statement or are you gonna proove souls don't exist
Incidentally, I wonder what will happen if Francis dies and Benedict is still alive? I keep waiting for Benedict to die, but he just keeps living, while there have been some hints in the past year and a half that Francis is not as healthy as he lets on.
John Chrysostom
For he glorieth at conceiving great things concerning Him, which redound to His glory. And this is why he speaks of having whereof to glory before God. And not for this only, but also for another reason: for he who is a believer glorieth again, not only because he loveth God in sincerity, but also because he hath enjoyed great honor and love from him. For as be shows his love to Him by having great thoughts about Him, (for this is a proof of love), so doth God also love him, though deserving to suffer for countless sins, not in freeing him from punishment only, but even by making him righteous. He then hath whereof to glory, as having been counted worthy of mighty love. NPNF1: Vol. XI, Homilies on the Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans, Homily 8, Rom. 4:1, 2., p. 386
>>79012626
Christians are judged for their works just not for heaven and hell
We go to the bema throne while non believers go to the great white throne
>>79012635
Yes, because me, the one not making a ridiculous claim, is the one who needs to prove it. I guess that id how things work in your dumbass world.
Why do you think souls do exist?
>>79012859
Thank you for retracting your statement
HURR DURR I BELIEVE IN FAIRY TALES
HURR DURR THE EARTH IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD
HURR DURR I NEED A BOOK TO TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE HURR
>>79012829
Judgement according to one's own works imply free will and responsibility on the part of the person hence the judgement. If such is not the case, the person has no free will and any works done is just God mind controlling him which is what Sola Fide is given how faith is merely passive according to it and how in Calvinism, no one has free will
>>79011854
Great news!
I'm so happy for you, it's a blessing to my heart whenever someone new comes to the Church.
>>79012527
>Endtimes prophecies have been "being fulfilled right in front of us" for centuries.
>>79013019
Free will is conditional not libertarian
>>79013019
Hey if we're the product of atheistic evolution, we don't have free will either
>>79012350
We have some of our own translations. We are more particular about which translations are used in Liturgy, but for personal study King James or any other version that isn't a liberal botchjob is pretty much okay.
>>79013096
According to Calvinism there is only Compatabilist free will. But when you have a deity who presestines, ultimate responsibility is still his as under such a context even a wind up toy has free will! Or a bullet aimed at a certain trajectory!
>>79013168
False. This is merely a false dilemma
>>79013060
So, do you deny that people have been saying for a long time that thr signs are happening and the end is coming?
>>79013333
How is it a dilemma
>>79013056
I'm kind of sad that it came to this. I view the RCC as a legitimate apostolic church, but they've lost their way more than any of the other splinters of the apostolic community. God willing this schism can be ended one day, but I must follow my conscience.
>>79005135
>>79005135
Catholics and Orthodox are the only true Christians.
Anglicans get honorable mentions because up until the gay marriage thing, they kept with traditions largely.
Any of the American sects are fucking dogshit-tier. Based in fantasy and politics, and utterly shit..
Evangelicals and Mormons more than others.
>>79013438
Because one can simply say that the capability for free will arises from the interactions between multiple simple systems. Free will arises as complexity grows with regards to human evolution.
>>79013402
No I don't deny it at all. The apostles themselves thought they would see the coming of the kingdom in their lifetime. That doesn't mean we're not on the cusp of it now, especially now that Israel has been regathered and preparations are in place for the third temple which is central to the tribulation.
>>79013509
I think the schism will be mended, but only, unfortunately, after there is another schism, within the RCC, and the traditionalists will reunited with Orthodoxy, whereas the modernists will become something akin to a larger Episcopal Church.
Byzantine art for the win
>>79013599
So your brain is an evolved meat bag that gives off chemical reactions and you react to said reactions, how can you have free will?
>>79013711
That actually seems like a likely scenario. More than anything I'm going to miss the Tridentine Latin Mass. Maybe someday I'll be able to attend an Orthodox one.
>>79013761
Stupid, it can as properties foreign to it arises as a result of differing systems in it interacting
>>79013840
We have Trindentine Mass, or something very close to it, in Western Rite Parishes.
We also are slowly reviving Medieval Catholic art in our Western Rite icons. Pic related.
>>79014084
Neat. Maybe I can talk my priest into becoming a western rite parish. Our local Catholic church is bleeding members because the priest is absolute shit, a modernist, and simply lectures everyone about racism and immigration during his sermons. I think it could be a real growth opportunity.
>>79014188
Your priest doesn't have that authority, it has to come from the bishop, and he would only authorize it if most of your fellow parishioners wanted it.
It was originally adapted just for whole parishes that converted to Orthodoxy, but it got be so developed that now we have Western Rite missions and stuff, so it's no longer just for converted parishes, but also for some new parishes.
>>79014518
Well, I'll have a chat with him anyway. The local church was closed down for a few years while he underwent several surgeries, so as of this moment I (and soon my wife and kids) am his only parishoner.
>>79014691
He still has to go through his bishop I believe, but that's very different then, and your chances of success are much higher, because you're talking about a mission as opposed to a normal parish.
>>79014048
So you react to your environment, still determined by something, not something you choose
>>79014810
He invited me to meet the bishop on Saturday. Maybe I'll just mention it to both of them!
>>79014884
That isn't negating free will. For it to exist the external world must react or interact with the agent in some way. The agent then makes deliberations or calculations mentally as to how to react or if any problems are to be found. That's free will. Calvinistic free will is a buzzword since a deity sets things up such that A will only do A with absolute certainty
>>79014940
Oh wow, dang. Well good luck!
>>79015372
Actually it's really interesting, apparently our bishop has a cell in the attic of the mission building, they're very close as Fr. was ordained by the man who ordained the man who ordained the bishop.
>>79006262
Roman Catholic here, decided to return to the Church after half a year of hardships and depression. I've never thought some posters of /pol/ would inspire me to do that.
Went to a Tridentine mass last Sunday for the first time of my life, it was beautiful. During the sermon the priest warned against liberation theology and Marxist influences, and the fact that despite a priest, a bishop (or even the Pope) interprets it differently to go with the flow of modernism, we shouldn't abandon our tradition.
On the same day before going to bed I've read this in the news and felt that this is was not a coincidence.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/26/world/pope-apologize-gays/index.html
>>79007970
>convert to protestantism
Which of the many denominations, which all contradict each other and a lot of them are way more cucked than "muh cucktolics"?
And it's especially ironic that you talk about being jewed as Calvinism and it's many offshoots made the Jewish business mentality morally acceptable and even desirable in the West.
>>79005135
Hello
>>79015540
Happy to hear you have a TLM to go to. It's the closest to heaven I've ever felt in a church.
>>79015642
Good morning m8
>>79015481
That's cool, I kind of envy you, being able to be a part of a mission like that. A mission is a seed that can be cultivated into something you can remember you were a part of.
>>79010721
As far as I know neither the Roman Catholic nor the Eastern Orthodox Church considers the other heretical, "just" schismatic (and of course it's always the others fault).
>>79016356
If you're ever in Indiana I'd be happy to worship with you.
>>79016398
I don't consider Catholics heretical, I just think that their church has really, really lost its way.
>>79016505
What's the difference between a church "losing its way" and being heretical?
>>79016636
Their theology is sound. It's the practice they've fucked up.
>>79016505
>If you're ever in Indiana I'd be happy to worship with you.
Will do.
>>79016636
The problem is that Catholics maintains (mostly) orthodox theology, but since Vatican II there's been the idea that the "understanding" of that theology can change and improve over time, and that, right there, is the source of 90% of the problems, because that's a weasel-words way of changing theology.
>>79016913
>Vatican II
True story. I had no clue V2 had happened when I converted and thought churches still gave mass in Latin due to EWTN. They mentioned nothing about V2 in my RCIA class, and it was only after the deal was sealed that I found out about it. I felt incredibly, incredibly betrayed.
>>79017019
If you'd like an Orthodox perspective on Vatican II, I'd suggest "The Ecclesiological Renovation of Vatican II", which explains how Vatican II completely revolutionized Catholic theology.
>>79016767
>Their theology is sound. It's the practice they've fucked up.
Pope Francis called the crucifixion of Jesus a failure
>When you don’t understand something, when desperation hits you then look at the cross. That is the great failure of God, that is the destruction of God, and it’s a challenge to our faith. And this is hope, because history did not end in that failure. Rather it’s in the resurrection of Christ that renewed all of us.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/full-text-of-pope-francis-powerful-unscripted-talk-with-kenyas-youth-72927/
>>79017251
I'm gonna throw that on my kindle, thanks.
>>79017348
>Pope Francis called the crucifixion of Jesus a failure
Pope Francis does not define Catholic theology. It existed before him and will exist afterward.
>>79015540
Well, looks like God worked through to remind you, and the rest of the congregation, earlier that day.
Glad to hear that you also are finding Christ again, and in a similar boat as well.
1 am bump mother fuckers.
Right Wing politics are concerned with the long-term survival of Civilization
Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation to become part of a nebulous afterlife for which no evidence exists, and for which this world needs to be sacrificed, which is best expressed in the way early christians like Martin of Tours refused to fight enemies of their nations, insofar killing in this world could cost them heaven
When Jesus says "if they take your coat, let them have your shirt as well", "do not resist evil", "I have come to turn a man against his own household", "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't follow me", "love your enemies, pray for your persecutors", "the meek will inherit the Earth", "those that wanna die will live", "blessed are those the persecuted, for they will be my Kingdom", "do not save treasures for tomorrow", "carry your cross so that you can receive eternal reward", "Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven", "it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for the rich to enter Heaven", "Woe to you who are well fed, Woe to you who laugh, for you will mourn and weep" he is not kidding, or meaning the opposite, but actually setting down a morality where the world is a lie and only the afterlife is the real deal, so destroying your life in this world, "carrying your cross" as he says, is completely logical
/pol/ "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family, that Jesus wants you to kill your enemies, to become prosperous, well-fed and rich in this world, and to avoid persecution and death!
Only a person that does not actually believe in the Heaven bullshit and in eternal rewards for dying a martyr would actually re-interpret Christianity as a cult of earthly power which declares "the strong shall inherit the Earth" and "you must destroy the enemies of your nation"
>>79023297
delicious pasta
>>79010117
I would have referred you to Gaius Marius Victorinus, but I'm not sure if his works are in English. They're in Latin though
>>79023546
Just going to dismiss that whole correct block of text?
>>79023943
About everything in that pasta is quotes taken out of context, with its original meaning utterly removed.
So yes, it should be dismissed, unless someone from Europe or Australia wants to take a crack at it.
>>79024243
>quotes taken out of context, with its original meaning utterly removed.
Like what? I've heard those quotes in context and it doesn't make them better.
>>79005135
> Take Jerusalem because "muh holy sites"
> They don't take Morocco and start working their way eastwards, taking Tunis, Libya and Egypt then Syria
> Not stabbing the heart of the Muslim beast
> Sacking Constantinople in the 4th, weakening it to a horrible level.
Dumb Crusaders.
Greek Orthodox here, hope our church will keep Orthodox morals and its dynamic stance against the barbaric invaders, contrary to cryptomuslim profag pope francis.
Orthodox unity shall dominate.
Greece
Russia
Serbia
Romania
Bulgaria
Kyrie eleison
Wow, this thread is still up?
Good morning, friends and brothers.
>>79025662
>Orthodoxy
>Not heresy
>>79010016
>Calvinism is stupid. Agree?
I'm shocked that this is so apparently prevalent. God says He is not willing that ANY should perish. He doesn't just pick and choose certain people for salvation and leave the rest to rot. He wants everyone to be saved, but He doesn't want a bunch of robots forced to come to Him. It would mean free will to choose it just not a thing, but it absolutely is.
>>79010147
I like KJV, NKJV and NLT (NLT being my favorite).
>>79009413
What he said is true, if we follow the calvinist theology >>79009287 atheists are atheists because God destined them to be so, and to be tortured in hell, petty sick tbqh
Non-believer here. I just like this pic. Keep being based, orthodox friends.
>>79011105
>I feel I've been growing closer to Christianity again in these threads. I was confirmed a Catholic at 15. but it has been awhile ..
>I'm still struggling with choosing a denomination. I like the independent spirit of Sola Scriptura in Protestants, but I also like the tradition tended to and protected by Catholics. I have to say I'm ignorant on Orthodox.
>Do women wear the veils again. I have to say its very pretty.
In the church I'm at the women wear smallish head coverings according to Corinthians (13 I believe it is) as it's their glory. I think in Catholic churches women wear some pretty big ones right?
As one anon said, put your trust in Christ alone, that is the main thing. If you can find a non denominational church with a good foundation usually those are great. (sometimes called assemblies).
Have to just make sure whatever church you find that they are grounded. The Bible is the inspired and true Word of God, that Jesus died, was buried and rose again, and that we can only be saved through peronal acceptance of this. Then you know they are probably a good place to be. I just have had bad luck with some places throwing in their own flavors where they shouldn't.
What do you guys do when you start to lose your faith?
>>79035863
Fasting never hurts. When we are comfortable we get weak in our faith.
>year 2010+6
>people still believing in religions
AYY
>>79035984
also KEKK
>>79036477
A roach wearing a fedora.
Well now I've seen everything.
